Monday, August 8th, 2011 at 1:54 pm  |  47 responses

Overseas Not Problem, Pickup Games Are

NBAers will continue to get into trouble if they keep playing streetball.

by Chris Haynes / @ChrisBhaynes

The talk this summer has been about who’s going to play overseas. That shouldn’t be the main concern. The concern should be NBA players fighting while playing in these pro-am and street-ball games.

Remember when Ray Lewis of the Baltimore Ravens made that statement on ESPN saying what the outcome would be if the NFL was to lose an entire season: “Watch how much crime picks up if you take away our game,” Lewis said.

Well, the same can be said about the NBA, except it’s not only the fans who are participating in physical confrontations during this lockout—it’s the NBA players as well.

The Minnesota Timberwolves’ Michael Beasley shoved a heckling fan in the face during a street ball game in New York, and was caught doing so on camera. On the same day, on the other side of the country in San Francisco, the Los Angeles Lakers’ Matt Barnes allegedly clocked an opponent in a pro-am game for supposedly elbowing and pushing him.

I’m not saying these heckling fans didn’t deserve what happened to them, as some can definitely get out of control. I’m just simply pointing out that more of these altercations are likely to occur if this lockout resumes for an extended period of time.

The NBA has an abundance of grounded players such as Steve Nash, Derek Fisher, Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitzki who will be fine during this lockout. They’ll train, travel, and adjust to their newfound open schedule.

However, let’s not get it twisted, the NBA just like any other professional league, is also comprised of young, immature, volatile, emotional players who need structure in their lives 365 days out of the year. Unable to workout and have contact with their individual teams, players may be left searching for a good pickup game to stay in shape.

Yes, players do have agents and can train at their sporting complex, but they still have to go home after workouts and they’ll be amongst the public more than usual due to not being on a NBA teams rigorous schedule.

As we are seeing with some, the more accessible these players are to the public, the chances increase of having your faced caved in.

With both sides still miles apart, the inevitable is starting to sink in, we may very well have no NBA season. Which brings me to players playing overseas. It doesn’t seem that bad anymore, does it?

The player gets to be involved in a structured environment, play meaningful games and have the luxury of being secure from the public to a certain extent. Of course there still will be risks involved such as getting injured, but if these agents have their clients best interest at heart— keyword if—the noble thing to do would be to save some players from themselves and send them abroad.

If you think that this is just an issue for the head cases such as Barnes, Beasley, or Ron Artest, excuse me, Metta World Peace, then you’re sadly mistaken. This is a problem for any NBA player who is participating in these pickup games.

Several players come from poverty-stricken backgrounds and still have some form of street mentality embedded in them. In the heat of the moment, competing against amateurs who are disrespecting and derogating athletes in their face, is a bad recipe for something potentially to pop off. Beasley and Barnes are lucky, it could have escalated to firearms.

If you’ve watched the Beasley video, you noticed one of the NBA’s brightest stars, Kevin Durant, was playing as well. The atmosphere was not appropriate for a superstar such as Durant nor any other NBA player.

Again, agents should be proactive instead of reactive. There’s a reason these contests are called pickup games and streetball. No structure is involved, and that’s what young, rich athletes need in their lives.

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  • http://www.twitter.com/BigFutureLG BigFutureLG

    Real good article, but like everything its all about self control, you can’t blame anyone for your reactions

  • http://www.ballislife.com/video/jordan50pointgames nbk

    I can’t see how pickup games are the problem. — Stupid Players (Michael Beasley) are the problem. Kevin Durant is only growing his legend by playing in these pickup games. Nothing about them is hurting him.

  • Kadavour

    “The atmosphere was not appropriate for a superstar such as Durant nor any other NBA player.” – what??? Players serve themselves better by playing in professional leagues, i get that point. I think it was sensational to try to make that point at the detriment of these players’ character. Especially when you tried to draw the contrast btwn the Nash/Duncan/Fisher/Dirk’s of the league to the Beasely and Barnes, by scapegoating their backgrounds. Is this the kind of attention whoring fear mongering dribble you have to submit to published?

  • marc

    I’m sorry but i really don’t agree with this article. NBA players play streetball every summer. The only reason its getting so much shine now is BECAUSE of the lockout. I’m from NY and it seems like there is less altercations during basketball games then there is anywhere else. You are acting like these players can’t get in trouble overseas. Your forgetting that these are only two incidents and streetball is almost over. Also why was ron artest included in the article. I’m sorry but you shouldn’t let two incidents define SUMMER LEAGUE PRO-AM tournaments.

  • Kadavour

    I was saving my Ron Artest point for if anyone dared co-sign this nonsense. Ron has been so humble and kind the last couple years.

  • ionmic

    WTH this article is so racist! I’ve noticed on this site alot that there is an undercurrent of racist opinions. Clean your act up guys.

  • seriousblack

    Co-sign Kadavour 100%. Perfectly worded.

  • Dagger

    This is laughable. Try again.

  • cru_thik305

    dumbass article

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The funny thing is that last time I checked, people getting mushed and punched happens in the “structured” NBA, right? Every year in fact.
    No doubt that it’s easier for things to escalate in these random summer leagues, but while there are more players hooping in these leagues, this isn’t the first year pros have played with joes. It happens every year.

  • doyouwantmore

    Translation: Without someone planning their entire lives, these dumb ghetto kids are going to get in big trouble. – - – Gimme a break. In WWI and II guys as young as 17 were fighting for their countries, working hard, and commanding men on the battlefield. In the Great Depression 14-year-olds were the breadwinners for their entire families. The reason these players get into trouble is because others around them pander to them and treat them like precious little babies that can’t take responsibility for themselves. They’re grown men. Nobody makes excuses for me, and I don’t have half the opportunities that NBA players do.

  • http://www.yomamajokes.com LilKDub503

    Maybe…some of these guys need to grow up. Hey, I’m 17 and I have the presence of mind to not fight every time someone tries to rile me up. And I’m faced with that every day when I go to the park and someone gets mad because I’m being scrappy on the defensive end. They just need to stop succumbing to stupid, fat fans or feisty young guys.

  • The Big Cheese

    Who published this opinion? Were they pigheaded too? SLAM, you are officially falling off. Part of me hopes the lockout drags on long enough for fools like this author to officially write his own resignation.

  • http://www.slamonline.com melvin ely

    if this article were posted on Yahoo! blogs, it’d get about 3,857 likes; since it was posted here, it’s getting shred to pieces. Good looking out, slamfam.

  • eezusjeez

    I can appreciate the idea that some players might be better served playing overseas than just playing amateur games during the lockout; but this article has about a middle school level of thoughftullness.
    “In the heat of the moment, competing against amateurs who are disrespecting and derogating athletes in their face, is a bad recipe for something potentially to pop off”. Huh? That’s not even close to being a sentence, and I’m pretty sure derogating is not a real word. Step your game up

  • Red Star

    Beasley and Barnes are lucky! I would of whooped their ass in front of everyone like nobody’s business!

  • Ken

    Racist fail. This whole article is based on what? 2 incidents? And as was pointed out, ish like this happens in the NBA too. Paternalistic and weak.

  • rich

    dont people play in these summer league games every year why is it a story cuz of a lockout?

  • mike

    how many white players have gotten into fights this summer?

  • Jer Boi

    why SLAM why did you let this be published? worst article I’ve read on here

  • Jer Boi

    btw he isnt racist im pretty sure the writers black.

  • Yesse

    Great article!

  • Dub S.

    some players grew up playing streetball

  • Morgan

    @ Jer Boi, what difference does his colour make on whether he is racist or not? none. I would suspect that the author doesn’t know much about basketball though (doesnt seem to know streetball happens every summer, fights happen in the nba, Ron Ron recently received the Citizenship Award, etc)

  • http://slamonline.com AllDayEveryDay

    @ Chris Haynes, WTH was this? This was literally the most poorly written/ un-researched article I’ve ever read on here to date.

    Guys, do you guys now see why I’m always b1tch1ng about SLAMonline, and its growing tendency to let ignorant/un-skilled writers write very poorly written articles that clearly has no effort/research/thought put into it. This is beyond pathetic. SLAM, who do you guys hire to write articles on here? Do you just walk out of your SLAMdome and pick out random people? P A T H E T I C

  • rnz

    Too many forced conclusions in this piece Slam? …come on guys, I’ve been a reader since scoop and its very dissapointing….its bad enough that the NBA is on lockout guys, don’t make it worse

  • John

    Yay. Just what we need. More liberal, sociology-majoring, f**k-taking-personal-responsibility, blame-their-environment drivel. SMH

  • sigmaman

    This article is racist. Point blank period

  • John

    Terrible article. You should be ashamed.

  • seriousblack

    I’m sure the intention behind it wasn’t racist, like that mike idiot who mentioned white players. It just wasn’t well thought out. The writer made himself look like a fool because it was so blatantly classist. Nevermind the fact that the same players involved in incidents this summer are the same ones who get into trouble throughout the season. No, the characters of the individual pro players isn’t as important as the low-life competition and scumbag fans that they encounter on the streetball circuit according to Chris Haynes. Basically he’s saying that once the players turn pro, streetball players and fans are now beneath them. The lily white fans in Europe– who are known to riot– are better to play in front of than the verbally overzealous fans in the hood. The players of Europe–some of whom are racist– are more suitable competition. Gotcha Chris.

  • HAMMER

    Good read. One can view from both sides of the coin. There r reasonable arguments for and against NBAers playing streetball. And Beasley was an idiot, along w/Barnes. They put theyselves @ risk and others. Who’s to say one of those fans wouldn’t pull out a piece on them? Worst things than that happen everyday. And I agree to a point it wasn’t a good situation 4 Durant 2 be in either. Sum crazy fan pulls out a gun and in the process hits Durant acidentally. Point is, know one ever knows what could happen. And I think that’s the point this piece was trying 2 convey n my opinion. Nuthin racist bout it.

  • seriousblack

    ^^^Most people don’t pull out a “piece” (what suburb are your from? lol) at a basketball game. There have been worse incidents inside NBA arenas than either of the incidents this summer. Those schmuck fans in the Detroit brawl are no better than anyone who goes to watch a streetball game, as an example. You are definitely a hypocrite and possibly racist if you suggest that because you are playing basketball in predominantly black low-income neighborhoods, a shooting or danger at a game is so much more likely. Humans are humans. Just as many idiots go to NBA games as the ones who go to streetball games. Also, Europe has very recently experienced rioting in certain arenas because of the outcomes of basketball games. Is potential violence less dangerous when the people committing the acts are predominantly white? If you and the author were unaware of the FACT that it gets violent overseas too, then he had no business writing his garbage article and you are a fool for agreeing. At best, this article was classist. At worst it was racist. Which one are you?

  • monkeyball

    There’s a difference between NBA games and streetball games. The Rucker Park League and other such venues have minimum security and minimum separation between players and fans. It is NOT racist to suggest that it’s more likely for a player to get into it with fans at a streetball game. It’s true that players fight with fans in the NBA also, but the point is one of likelihood.

  • HAMMER

    Seriousblack clearly has selective reading. Go back and read EVERYTHING I posted. Then if u still feel like im “definitely a hipocrite” or “possibly racist” then thats ur opinion.

  • HAMMER

    Co-sign monkeyball. Im all 4 NBAers playing on the street circuit. I think its dope. But there’s undeniably risk, as in there is 2 basically everything in life I might add. You just never know what could happen. @ least that’s the way I view it.

  • http://gmail.com z

    seriousblack is on a serious roll today. cosign everything you’ve said. I think the closest chris haynes has come to a “streetball” game is when he rented above the rim.

  • http://bleacherreport.com/articles/791470-lebron-james-vs-dwyane-wade-who-is-the-better-player/page/8 nbk

    LMAO @ Z.

  • seriousblack

    Hammer: Read it three times. Same sentiments. Monkeyball: I wonder if you and Haynes would feel the same if the streetball games happened in white neighborhoods.

  • HAMMER

    Well, 4 the record, this is the 1st time n my life some1 has thought im racist. Kinda funny considering that im a minority. And 2 be thought of as a racist against another minority is laughable and makes no sense @ all. Comprendes? But oh well….

  • LA Huey

    ^Because only members of racial majorities in a given society are capable of being racist. Whatever. At this point, you may not actually be a racist, just an ignoramus.

  • seriousblack

    See, thats the thing. I never said you were one, I said it was possible. I don’t know you personally to really be able to guage it. However, if you think that being a minority somehow absolves one from being a racist–no matter what beliefs he/she holds–then maybe you should really examine if you do harbor certain feelings. Basically you are saying that because you are a minority, you agreeing Haynes’ stereotyping of the people in those neighborhoods can’t be racist. I find that odd.

  • HAMMER

    @ LA Huey. Its not that im ignorant or nuthin like that. Im completely aware there r minorities racist against other minorities. That is why I said I find it laughable and that it doesn’t make any sense @ all. Ya know? Its stupid how sum minorities can be like that. Just wanna say to them ” Dude. Ur a f√¢kin minority too!” You know what I mean?

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    Well, that was a patronising article.

  • Will Lee

    kna sonnie we are enjoying the street ball and the summer leagues. Barnes and Beasley are just human, don’t blame them, blame the fans. At the same time, appreciate what Nick Young, Durant, Jennings, DeRozen are doing.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    You can’t tell me that if Derek Fisher wasn’t playing a pick up game and someone called him out or set a rough screen or even tried to trip dude up that cat would POUNCE with a sharpened elbow quicker than a NINJA…. Derek Fisher doesn’t play street ball because there would be MURDER on the dance floor.

  • cloudyheaded

    Chris you might want to just unplug your keyboard and go sit in the corner and think about your actions for awhile. You got tore up on this one.

  • MikeC.

    Steve Nash played a couple games at Rucker Park a few years ago. He probably still sleeps in a panic room.

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