• October 3, 2009 8:00 am  |  96 Comments

    Top 50: Chauncey Billups, no. 19

    The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

    by Russ Bengtson

    Fifty-one games. That’s the chance Chauncey Billups got with the Boston Celtics after being selected with the third overall pick of the 1997 NBA Draft. Larry Bird and Kevin McHale weren’t walking through that door, neither was Tim Duncan, and Rick Pitino was so caught up in what Billups wasn’t that he didn’t bother finding out what he was. By February of 1998, Billups was on his way to Toronto. TChauncey Billupshe Raptors were even less patient, playing him for the final 29 games of the season before moving him to Denver that summer. Billups lasted all of 58 games with Denver, before they traded him to Orlando. Injured, he never played a single game for the Magic. That summer, he moved on once again, signing with Minnesota, where he stayed for two full seasons.

    There’s a reason I started this piece by rehashing the past. Every top athlete—every top team, for that matter—manages to find motivation and insult even where there is none. You heard Michael Jordan’s Hall of Fame speech, right? Even the most innocuous of statements gets twisted into bulletin board material when run through every player’s built-in Michael Jordan Translator. “He’s a nice guy” is heard as “he lacks that killer instinct.” “He’s the best player of his generation” sounds like “he couldn’t carry Dolph Schayes’s jock.” Even a simple “hey, what’s up” becomes “YOU SUCK YOU SUCK YOU SUCK YOU SUCK.” Teams that win titles after 60-plus win seasons where they blow out opponents on a regular basis after appearing in everyone’s pre-season favorites claim that “no one believed in us.” With perfectly straight faces. They actually believe this stuff. It’s revisionist history as it happens.

    Chauncey? He didn’t have to make shit up to get motivated. By the time he signed with the Detroit Pistons in the summer of 2002, he was a 25-year-old veteran of five teams, none of which would ever be mistaken for the ’96 Bulls. If he thought that no one believed in him, it was probably because he’s been traded or dropped five times before he turned 26. It was probably because hardly anyone did. His third-pick career was looking more like Dennis Hopson’s than Michael Jordan’s. And five years in, he’d played in all of six playoff games.

    Since then? Billups has kept it 100, so to speak, playing roughly 18 more than the requisite 82 every year. Since 2003, he’s led his team to the Conference Finals every single postseason. That’s seven straight Final Fours, if you’re keeping track. At Louisville, Rick Pitino dreams of waitresses that kind of streak.

    But you know all this, right? How the lottery pick no one wanted went on to lead the Pistons to the 2004 (like GM Joe Dumars, winning the Finals MVP). How, after being traded back to Denver two games into the 2008-09 season, he turned another franchise around, leading them to the Conference Finals. Billups is like BASF—he makes everything…better.

    Still, how good is he really? Statistically speaking, Billups is downright nondescript. He’s never led the league in a single major category. Or a minor one. “Mr. Big Shot” has never shot 45 percent from the floor, and has only averaged more than eight assists per game once. He doesn’t have the speed of Derrick Rose, the vision of Jason Kidd, or the hardware of Steve Nash. And he turned 33 last week. One could not only make the argument that Billups’s best days weren’t all that great to begin with, but that they’re behind him. It might not be a great argument, but you could make it.

    But do so at your peril. For while—statistically, at least—Billups may do nothing great, he does everything very, very well. At 6-3, 200 pounds, he can post you up. He defends. He shoots close to 40 percent from three, and 90 percent from the line. He’s not looking to shoot much, but will gladly take the shots that matter most. And when he’s on the floor, you don’t only get production from him, but from everyone else. When Dumars traded Billups, both to save money and make room for Rodney Stuckey, he traded a little part of every other player on the team as well. Without their leader, the Pistons spiraled downward, losing in the first round of the playoffs. Billups went back to the Conference Finals, and Allen Iverson—considered by many to be the superior player—went home. And, quite possibly, insane.

    At his best, Chauncey Billups makes teams work. He does his part, and makes sure you do yours. And that’s why he’s here.

    Notes
    • Rankings are based solely on projected ‘09-10 performance.
    • Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
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    • Nak Attack Posted: Oct.3 at 8:23 am
      im not gonna mention DRose.

    • Nak Attack Posted: Oct.3 at 8:26 am
      a bit high i think but overall a solid ranking.

    • hoopshead Posted: Oct.3 at 8:27 am
      this dude is a true beast and they might just be two games better late in the season

    • Simon S.Y Lawy Posted: Oct.3 at 8:35 am
      Solid PG …

    • j4zzm4n Posted: Oct.3 at 8:40 am
      as much as i love rose methinks he’s a bit high. chauncey was fantastic last season really turned that team around in a major way.

    • Brad Long Posted: Oct.3 at 8:42 am
      Loved the Rick Pitino line. There’s no doubt that Chauncey is deserving of this spot.

    • mumadone Posted: Oct.3 at 9:02 am
      i can imagine shawn marion sitting somewhere reading this thinking: no problem, i should be coming up right after d wade

    • Moose Posted: Oct.3 at 9:13 am
      This seems like the perfect place for Billups. Good post, Russ.

    • B-more Mike Posted: Oct.3 at 9:14 am
      Pay your bllls! C Bills is a franchise enhancer. He makes you look at players differant when he’s on their team. Example: JR Smith, how did you look at JR before Bills, what do you think of him now? We knew JR was nice but he had no direction, in comes Bills and now JR’s a bonifide problem that has to be dealt with if you want to be succesful against Denver.

    • jd Posted: Oct.3 at 9:24 am
      top 3 pg in the l. reliable as anything.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.3 at 9:25 am
      10 months ago i was laughing while my kids where seriously talking about Detroit getting the better out of the “cartoon for Billups” trade(I have some of your comments from that period stored-some are pretty hilarious- i just don’t want to destroy your fragile confidense).10 months after everybody learned what i (and every NBA executive) knew since for ever: Billups >>>>>>>> Iverson. Billups is one of the top-5 PG’s in the world for the past decade. At this moment i have him just behind Deron and at the same level with Parker and Calderon. CP(small & not great shooter) and Nash are right behind.

    • Aaron Posted: Oct.3 at 9:36 am
      how he get number 19 what a joke panagiotis vasiloppulos you a idot

    • Hursty Posted: Oct.3 at 10:06 am
      Billups is dope. I’ll take him on my team 7 days a week, twice on Sundays.

    • Shem Posted: Oct.3 at 10:07 am
      Chauncey Billups really is great. He makes every team better. Its no coinscidence the pistons were amazing for 5 straight years, Billups leaves to a nuggets team that had 5 straight 1st round exits and they make the western conference semis. TOP 3 G in the L behind CP3 and Deron Williams, Derrick Rose isnt on this list because Derrick Rose wont have better years then Al Jeff, JJ and Chauncey

    • Bryan Posted: Oct.3 at 10:18 am
      count me on the ‘derrick rose isn’t better than this guy ‘ bandwagon and I don’t even like chauncey

    • Hursty Posted: Oct.3 at 10:30 am
      Derrick Rose is not a better basketball player than Chauncey Billups. But when all the writers lists are revealed, maybe it’ll only be like 3 or 5 points separating the 19th and 25th spots. Just don’t know.
      Bryan - last I knew, you had stronger feelings than just “dislike” for horseface haha.

    • Jacob J Posted: Oct.3 at 10:46 am
      I love Chauncey. He is one of my favorite players to watch and is my favorite point guard!

    • Jacob J Posted: Oct.3 at 10:53 am
      Chauncey is better than most of the point guards in the league today. He has championships and the only other elite point guard that has a chip is Tony Parker.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.3 at 10:54 am
      since i start getting bored with all this “D.Rose ain’t better than…etc” i’ll expain you how things work for fantasy leaguers,videogamers and accountants.Rose had 6.3 assists as a rookie which can easily transform to over 7 in his second year. With Gordon left and him getting more playing time his scoring will most deffinitely will be over 20 ppg. Factoring in that he is a good rebounder for his position (and his performance against the Celtics ) we will have most propably a 21+ ppg, 7.5+ apg,4+ rpg, 1+ superdunks pg, that will get him (numberwise) just under CP,Deron&Parker…so, i will be surprised with D.Rose’s ranking HERE only if it is over any of those three guys. It will not. Now, if you are looking for a truly hilarious ranking wait and see Dwight “super guffy” Howard been ranked over Dirk & Gasol(who,by the way, completele outplayed him not only with the Lakers but also at the Olympics).We are talking about two guys that their game Howard will only possess in his wild-wild dreams (i can hear my kids screaming at this moment “you fool, did you see him in the dunk contests wearing his cape??? Dirk can hardly dunk!!!”). So,, you don’t believe me…? Wait and see…

    • MeloMan2.0 Posted: Oct.3 at 10:57 am
      @ Pat…. Vas…. names too long to remember:
      Calderon?? on the same level as Billups?? just stop

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.3 at 11:05 am
      @MeloMan2.0….:you need more RAM.

    • dial up Posted: Oct.3 at 11:09 am
      pana- your an idiot. D-rose didn’t exactly have a great series against the bulls besides ONE GamE. Rondo had an amaazing series, rose had no defense. Look at ben gordons averages and then roses, then shutup and stop commenting. loser.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: Oct.3 at 11:10 am
      Had Chauncey been selected for the 2004 Olympic Team, perhaps the “Redeem Team” wouldn’t have been necessary.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.3 at 11:14 am
      @Russ…..:you know what? you couldn’t be more right(since you used ‘perhaps’).

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.3 at 11:20 am
      although the 2004 team had so many players(both cartoons,marion,Boozer,Amare,R.J) inappropriate for highly sophisticated ball (competing against Argentina,Spain and -then best team in the world- Lithouania) that it would have been difficult even for Billups to put them in order….

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: Oct.3 at 11:41 am
      The 1994 Dream Team was the cartooniest ever assembled (Shaq’s free-floating sideburns made him look like a character from “Cool World”) and they won by an average of 36 ppg. Part of this was because of the stability imparted by veterans like…Joe Dumars.

    • Shem Posted: Oct.3 at 12:03 pm
      Calderon is a great player, he has the BEST turnover assist ratio in the league the last 2 years, you guys really should take that into consideration and he is the purest pg in the lg (not the best the purest and by pure i mean john stockton pure). Steve Nash and CP3 is probably the only other pg that is truly a pure pg in the lg today. Calderon definetly isnt on the same level as Chauncey but give the guy a chance

    • airs Posted: Oct.3 at 12:05 pm
      yikes…
      okay SLAM.
      im starting to think you hate drose.

    • Orlando Green Posted: Oct.3 at 12:13 pm
      He shoulda been higher…

    • Flight Posted: Oct.3 at 12:31 pm
      kris humphries has to be next.

    • jdote Posted: Oct.3 at 12:32 pm
      Two things, I can’t believe Billups is the only player from that Detroit dynasty to make the list. Honestly it goes to show who was the most important player on the team. It also goes to show how Tay really hasn’t improved his game that much in the past five years. Second… im startin to think if D Rose isn’t next, he’s not on the list… here are 16 names that have to be coming up. Kobe, Wade. Lebron. Melo. Bosh. CP3. Deron. TP. Duncan. KG. STAT. Durant. BRoy. Nowitzki. Superman. Pau Gasol.. meaning two spots left.. i couldnt think of n e one else

    • Tariq Posted: Oct.3 at 12:57 pm
      Dude, Derrick Rose is on this list.

    • Tariq Posted: Oct.3 at 12:58 pm
      Albeit a bit high.

    • Klav Posted: Oct.3 at 1:12 pm
      Spanny, then who are your top 5 picks for fantasy?

    • Klav Posted: Oct.3 at 1:17 pm
      Chauncey regardless of his stats gets the job done. I agree with this ranking, he def deserves to be in top 20 because what he has been accomplishing for the better part of this decade. I’d take him on my team anyday.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.3 at 1:18 pm
      Derrick Rose is NOT better than Chauncey Billups RIGHT NOW. I don’t care about how good he “can” be in the next couple of years, it isn’t happening next year.

    • EC Posted: Oct.3 at 1:33 pm
      Shem.. Muggsy Bogues has the best turnover assist ratio of all time for a career……. so who cares if Calderon has the best the last 2 years, just sayin

    • slamfan4life Posted: Oct.3 at 1:43 pm
      Rose>Billups Rose is 21 nd Billups is 33 Rose is better right now, Billups has another Allstar AND Birdman…Rose has……..you get the picture

    • Matt H Posted: Oct.3 at 1:59 pm
      @jdote
      you are missing paul pierce
      and the last spot is d rose

    • Harlem Posted: Oct.3 at 2:11 pm
      how is Drose better then billups,im sorry but billups killed cp3 in the playoffs while rose had a rough time with “no shot” rondo

    • jdn41 Posted: Oct.3 at 2:33 pm
      don’t justify rose for being overated, i know you guys accept that hes too high but please don’t make excuses for him so you can feel better because you have him ranked so low while slam has him ranked so high

    • jdn41 Posted: Oct.3 at 2:39 pm
      EC calderon also shot .500fg .400 threepoint and .900 FT now combine that with his assist to turnover stats you should care very much

    • Pve84 Posted: Oct.3 at 2:55 pm
      Although he is an elite player, I still think it’s damn sad that Lebron won the MVP last season considering what Wade and especially Chauncey did for their respective teams.

    • Shem Posted: Oct.3 at 3:01 pm
      Calderons assist turnover ratio average the last two years is better than mugsy bogues assist ratio over 1 season OH did i forget to mention that he shot 98% from the line (best all time to go with his best all time assist turnover ratio)

    • la huey Posted: Oct.3 at 3:10 pm
      WHAT?!?!? THIS GUY IS BETTER THAN IVERSON?!?!

    • EC Posted: Oct.3 at 4:35 pm
      So Calderon is the sh*t than? shooting percentages Kerr had outrageous percnetages cuz he wasnt the focal point and was always open and never had to force anythin in double teams like calderon. 2nd rate players never have great stats that really matter like assist to turnover ratio when it comes to the outcome of games like kerr, bogues and calderon.. when ever the all-time greats are brought up you never mention those stats you mention points, assists, rebounds, steals per game and for a career oh yea and WINNIG. not just alltime greats but the current greats like Dwill, cp3, parker, billups, rondo, d harris, rose. not to mention the HOFers Magic, big o, stockton, payton, clyde frazier, J kidd, heck even steve nash hes always a leader in turnovers… when calderon is in those pgs company let me know so we dont have to bring up the same stats that we had to bring up to make bogues relevant

    • EC Posted: Oct.3 at 4:40 pm
      So Calderon is the sh*t than? shooting percentages? Kerr had outrageous percnetages cuz he wasnt the focal point and was always open and never had to force anythin in double teams just like calderon. 2nd rate players never have great stats that really matter like assist to turnover ratio when it comes to the outcome of games like kerr, bogues and calderon.. when ever the all-time greats are brought up you never mention those stats you mention points, assists, rebounds, steals per game and for a career oh yea and WINNIG. not just alltime greats but the current greats like Dwill, cp3, parker, billups, rondo, d harris, rose. not to mention the HOFers Magic, big o, stockton, payton, clyde frazier, J kidd, heck even steve nash hes always a leader in turnovers… when calderon is in those pgs company let me know so we dont have to bring up the same stats that we had to bring up to make bogues relevant

    • slick ric Posted: Oct.3 at 5:20 pm
      F**k what errbody else talkin bout rose is better than billups,granted denver got better but they was already ready a 50 game win team, i would bet any amount of money rose is goin 2 have a way better year & career than billups. b****es

    • Nad Posted: Oct.3 at 5:32 pm
      Great ranking, Chauncey is definetly a top 20 guy in the league! He’s an impact player and one of the best leaders in the nba!

    • AZ Posted: Oct.3 at 5:35 pm
      Should be higher

    • ctkennedy Posted: Oct.3 at 5:41 pm
      billiups is basketball joe montana he just gets it done

    • ab_40 Posted: Oct.3 at 5:43 pm
      he or melo is gonna be in mvp talks they’re gonna win 55 or more

    • a_whiteman Posted: Oct.3 at 7:06 pm
      Derrick rose doesn’t deserve to be top 20

    • a_whiteman Posted: Oct.3 at 7:06 pm
      Derrick rose doesn’t deserve to be top 20

    • stewie Posted: Oct.3 at 8:23 pm
      derrick rose doesnt deserve to be top 30

    • peter Posted: Oct.3 at 8:25 pm
      derrick rose has the weakest d in the league. Rondo torched his ass in every category. Hinrich had to guard shooting guards.

    • Shem Posted: Oct.3 at 8:41 pm
      What people dont realize is that sure the stars do get a lot of points but they give it right back in missed shots, fts, and turnovers. You have to notice that a lot of players do score but they give it right back. But of course you would rather a star and im not saying calderon is better then billups because hes not. Hes just not as bad as you make him. Hes the purest pg in the lg and the points he scores and assists rarely gives it back to the other team and thats what good teams do. No good teams in the league turn the ball over alot. NONE

    • Joey E. Posted: Oct.3 at 9:03 pm
      his decline starts now

    • don Posted: Oct.3 at 9:47 pm
      i’d cough my lungs out if ROSE wud stil be on this list. maybe next year but not this one.

    • SHERMradio Posted: Oct.3 at 9:51 pm
      I usually tweet my thought to to Russ on this per ranking, but this has gotten out of hand. DRose has less offensive talent around him this year. He may potentially be top 30 this year, but DRose is NOT one of the top 18 players in the league right now. I’d go far enough to say him and Mayo should be neck and neck

    • The D Train Posted: Oct.3 at 10:41 pm
      wouldn’t it be funny if the Derrick Rose write-up simply stated…”F It…y’all hate him because we ranked him so high. Thank you.”

    • The D Train Posted: Oct.3 at 10:53 pm
      also, for those of you saying that Rose can’t be on the list now: what’s more upsetting, him being too high, or him being left off the list in favor of guys like Rashard Lewis, OJ Mayo, Ben Gordon, Josh Howard? or the guys who were injured or terrible last year like Iverson, B-Diddy, Arenas? seriously, there is no F’ING way that Rose isnt on this list. Lewis and Gordon provide nothing but shooting…and i mean literally nothing else. Josh Howard is a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none when healthy (which he wasnt last year). Iverson, Baron and Arenas were awful, or hurt last year. Who, on god’s green f’ing earth wouldn’t take Derrick Rose on their team this year over these guys? All hate on the ranking aside, please tell me why anyone would take Ben Gordon, Rashard Lewis, Josh Howard, Allen Iverson, Baron Davis or Gilbert Arenas over Rose this year…

    • MR Posted: Oct.3 at 11:44 pm
      Shem, sorry to break this to u bud … but Calderon…not even among the top 10 PG’s in the league today - you got Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Tony Parker, Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo, Chauncey Billups, Gilbert Arenas, Derrick Rose, Jameer Nelson, Devin Harris, Jason Kidd, Mo Williams, Monta Ellis, Baron Davis … and MAYBE after that I may put Jose Calderon. You talk about this guy being a pure or the “purest” PG? Are you kidding me…I am a raptors fan and it pains me everytime this guy plays. Start the shot clock and he has the ball for 20 out of the 24 seconds in his hands. He over dribbles so much that most of our plays end up being a pass and shoot or a half attempted drive and a kick out. Most of the shots he makes are open layups or jays and seriously if you only shoot about a hundred free throws a game you are bound to make ninety of them so his free throw % is also not really accurate. His defense is ATROCIOUS. you talked about “perhaps a lot of pg score more but they also give up more”. Jose is so funny on defense that even KG thought it was hilarious. This guy claps his hands over his head thinking that’s actually going to stop the player he is defending. Unless Jose builds a proper drive to his game and decides to make plays that’s not in the last 4 seconds on the shot clock then perhaps one day he might be over one of those other guys i mentioned. But for now he is at best the 15th or the 16th best PG in the league and that’s saying a lot.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.3 at 11:47 pm
      The Toronto Raptors, had they not let their good players go:
      1. Chauncey Billups
      2. Vince Carter
      3. Tracy McGrady
      4. Chris Bosh
      5. Marcus Camby
      That is a champion line-up!

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.3 at 11:51 pm
      @ MR: Monta Ellis is more of a shooting guard, Jason Kidd is not his former self, Gilbert Arenas is primarily a scorer, and Gilbert Arenas is definitely not a true point guard. Mo Williams isn’t really a point guard either, and he is massively overrated.
      If you were a GM building a team for the future, you’d choose Calderon over Kidd right now. Come on.

    • catalan Posted: Oct.4 at 12:10 am
      Billups is a ready to win now-player. One of my favourites PG. He plays real “team basketball”.

    • Garett Posted: Oct.4 at 1:26 am
      Nice line-up Teddy Bear, but if they kept those pieces they wouldn’t have got Bosh, or Carter even

    • Irfan Posted: Oct.4 at 4:44 am
      Add one : Chauncey Billups should be higher ! The guy is not only one of the best PGs of the League, he also changed a lot of things in Denver, and him leaving Detroit changed a lot of things too…
      I mean, he leaves Detroit after they have been to the Eastern Finals for the last 6 years and they fall to the last seed ; he arrives in Denver after they lost in the first round five years straight, and they go up to the Western Finals… This guy is a PURE WINNER, and it deserves to be higher than just n°19. Derrick Rose, as good as he might be in a few years, doesn’t deserve to be Top 20, and hardly Top 30 I think.
      And as far as PGs are concerned, the only one prior to Chauncey is CP3. Deron Williams is a bit higher than Chauncey, and Tony Parker (although I’m French) is quite on the same level, less clutch and less a good visionnary on the floor, but better at creating his own shot and drawing fouls. Not to mention the D of course, because here, Chauncey stands far beyond TP. So, I’m saying all this while I’m not a big Billups fan, I like Ros’s style better, it’s flashier and younger, and I like TP for his commitment to basketball in France, but I think Billups should be higher than Rose, and not far from TP. The latter will be a Top-3 PG this season, the former is going to be Top-2 in 3 to 5 years, and Billups is getting old. Still, Billups had the best result last year and will top Rose this year too. To me, Billups is higher than D-Rose and Paul Pierce, maybe Bosh, Stoudemire, Anthony too, because these players are more impressive but very very less “winners” than he is.
      By the way, I wouldn’t believe Shaq is so far behind Pierce or Stoudemire… As for Calderon, he is a very good player and often do the good choice, but his style is just not the one the NBA
      He will have an occasion to prove himself worth NBA-fans consideration in Turkey, because with him alongside Pau & Marc Gasol, Rudy Fernandez, Navarro… It’s gonna hurt you bad, Redeem Team !

    • Todd Spehr Posted: Oct.4 at 5:25 am
      Another sneaky element that supports Billups is his time-honored tradition of out-playing the top PGs. He avg. 18 and 6 against Paul, 18 and 4 against Williams, 20 and 7 against Nash (since 02-03) and once held Jason Kidd scoreless in a Game 7. He has winning records against all those players (sans Williams) since 2002.

    • MeloMan2.0 Posted: Oct.4 at 10:25 am
      @MR: i agree 100 percent. he actually makes Raptor Games unbearable… not only is he extremely overratted…he’s so boring too. the only reason his assist to turnover ratio is so high is because he doesn’t push the ball, or attempt any pass with a bit of creativity. if u watch Raptors games, you’d know that nearly all his assists are just chest passes to open shooters. his numbers reflect his good shooting teamates more than anything

    • Shem Posted: Oct.4 at 10:32 am
      @MR monta is a sg, gilbert is a sg and was injured, id take calderon over jameer nelson, nash billups and kidd are on the verge of decline. Notice the teams that start shoot first point guards do not do so well. But for now id put calderon in the top 10-15. But next year he will be better then last year and alot of pgs returning from injury (bdiddy, arenas, monta, nelson) might not perform and many pgs are getting old so calderon is a pg of the future. Hes already a top 5 fantasy pick if that means anything

    • MR Posted: Oct.4 at 12:23 pm
      @ SHEM - DID I JUST HEAR YOU SAY JOSE CALDERON IS A TOP 5 FANTASY PICK?????? LOL - would u pick him over say LeBron James? Kobe Bryant? Chris Paul? Dwight Howard? Dwayne Wade? my god lol … Jose Calderon has to be better then one of those guys for sure…what fantasy league do u play in? if it’s only w/ in drafting raptor players yeh i guess i see how he could be a top 5 raptor within the team … lol

    • MR Posted: Oct.4 at 12:26 pm
      @ Shem - its clear that ur a stats person and don’t really watch the raptors play. This guy is a great glue guy coming off the bench - but he doesn’t have the durability to be a starter. He cannot push the bull and he is so frustrating to watch - u say u r gonna take this guy over jameer nelson?? wow - get league pass and watch the kid play before u talk.

    • black pinoy Posted: Oct.4 at 1:29 pm
      before anything else i wanna say im an NBA fan so dont expect any bias from me // id say what rose did last season isnt enough to land him this high.. he should be somewhere near mayo or something // BUT again, this list is for this coming season.. rookies would usually get a should leap in their game on their second year .. and rose is getting this spot simply because the writers (ME too) think hell be this big for chicago this season .. and we all couldnt tell coz the season hasnt even started yet.. and now that gordon is gone rose is gonna have more time with the ball.. im pretty sure he worked on his D and his J this summer.. so please yall need to stop hating on rose .. lets just wait till the season starts.. if think you guys know it all then why dont you try to play for the bulls or try to strt your own top 50..

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.4 at 1:52 pm
      Awesome stats, Todd.
      Also, the thing I like about Billups is his knack for winning, making his teammates better, knocking down clutch shots, and outplaying other guards, even though it may not all show up on the stat sheet. He knows when and where to do whatever needs to be done, if that makes sense; he doesn’t have to force anything.
      Actually, if you just look at his numbers they aren’t staggering, but he affects the game so much that his individual statlines don’t even matter much.

    • T Money Posted: Oct.4 at 3:27 pm
      Thanks Russ. Chauncey is my favourite PG. He’s been underrated his whole career. Just ask Joe Dumars.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.4 at 3:32 pm
      I heard that, T.

    • Dru Ha Posted: Oct.4 at 5:46 pm
      Billups is a force of nature player, an inspiration, a leader, a cold customer who brings it every day of the week in terms of effort and application. Even better about Denver’s rise after the trade was Allen Meverson imploding and spreading his toxic junk all over Detroit. As Carmelo said “Chauncey’s like an angel that arrived” … Iverson, of course, represents all that’s evil and ill about the modern player. Billups probably top 15 player to be fair. He’s that real.

    • davidR Posted: Oct.4 at 6:06 pm
      @panagiotis, how do you understand why rose will be ranked so high on this list, but don’t understand why howard will be ranked so high too? i’m with you in thinking howard isn’t that great, but his regular season stats don’t lie. they’re ridiculous.

    • K.a. Posted: Oct.4 at 10:51 pm
      yall being trolled by Greek dude, LOL. Love smooth to bits ever since his Detroit days, espn did a great piece when Denver was winning in last season POs. I love the fact in an era of Kidd n Nash winning mvp’s, him n Parker has won finals MVP. I like the idea of MJ translator tho. That’d be hilarious. Bethlehem shoals should do an all MJ edition for the times he’s bit his tongue.

    • Shem Posted: Oct.4 at 11:23 pm
      @MR: I meant top 5 pg fantasy pick* i do watch the raptors play in person actually i have season tickets and yes he does not push the break but in the end hes efficient and thats all that matters. I did watch jameer play and i do have league pass and he was absolutely great at the beginning of the season but when he came back from the injury he looked very bad, mark my words he wont be the same next year. I am not a stats guy im a knowledgeable guy and to be honest jameer nelson may score more but his assist turnover ratio is less then half of calderons, and he doesnt shoot as well anywhere on the court so the very few more points he scores then calderon he gives up. I can guarantee the magic would swap calderon for jameer anyday of the week. I just know that in my pg i want someone that can do everything especially dish and shoot well without turning it over much because all the real good teams have that and all the pgs considered elite do that… Steve Nash shot over 50% fg 40%3pt and 90% ft a couple times, john stockton, magic, chris paul and so many more. Everyone has their own perspective on a good pg and i believe the pg is the guy that runs the floor. Like a qb in football. They just cant turn it over as much as monta, jameer etc.And Calderon was my 4th round pick and he was absolutely great and all fantasy experts say that the top 5 fantasy pgs are: CP3, Deron, Nash, Parker and Calderon.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.4 at 11:37 pm
      Calderon is good, but the Magic would NOT swap Jameer Nelson for him, ever.

    • davidR Posted: Oct.4 at 11:58 pm
      shem, i know you’re not a stats guy, but jameer shot over 50%/fg & 45%/3pt. calderon’s been consistent around 50%-40%, but jameer actually shot better than he did last season. so yea, you might wanna take back that he’s not a great shooter because signs show he’s improving.

    • Blinguo Posted: Oct.5 at 12:22 am
      There was a “Dream team” in 1994? I guess The Rockets, but they ran over Shaq’s sideburns/Shaqnosis/Fu Schnickens (sic?) the next season.

    • Jukai Posted: Oct.5 at 5:01 am
      Blinguo: Dream Team in 1994 is in reference to the team that competed in the FIBA Worlds in Toronto. Off the top of my head, it consisted of Zeke, Shaq, Wilkins, Miller, Marjele, Kemp, Mourning, KJ, and Dumars. I don’t really remember who else. I think Hill, Price, and Hardaway would round that up by might want to double check it.

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.5 at 5:29 am
      @davidR….:it’s not that i don’t understand super-guffy’s rank over Dirk&Pau, i just said that it is much more hilarious than the D.Rose one, cause the gap between him and the two best big men in the world at the moment (Dirk&Pau) is much clearer than the one that Rose has with guys like Rondo….

    • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.5 at 5:35 am
      Derrick Coleman’s first 10 minutes in the final against Russia in 1994 explained everybody why he was considered the greatest project ever for the power forward position…..

    • Fonz Posted: Oct.5 at 5:40 am
      D rose is next

    • DP Posted: Oct.5 at 8:55 am
      Billups is one of my top 5 point guards so I like this ranking. The guy just knows how to run a team and you could tell the way he just got denver playing “defense’ that he is a born leader. shame on you, AI. play wit it.

    • Nupe Posted: Oct.5 at 10:58 am
      This is about right for Billups. Although I think the 20 should be all about the superstars - not just all-stars. He may be the biggest sleeper out there because his stats aren’t off the charts and he’s not a human highlight film either. If I was to take every team and every PG in the L and play musical chairs with them, I think Billups would fit into more systems and make more teams better than any other PG out there (including d-will, nash or CP3). Is he the best all around PG in the league - that would be difficult to argue. But he does something better than any of PG in the league, it just depends on which one you compare him to at the time. So as an all around performer, although not a superstar, this is a good spot for him.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: Oct.5 at 12:38 pm
      Billups is the kind of guy who should make you re-think exactly what a “superstar” is. Someone like him is just as necessary for team success as a 30 ppg scorer or a beast of a rebounder/shot blocker.

    • TADOne Posted: Oct.5 at 12:39 pm
      Love this. I’m glad Russ wrote this piece.

    • Hussman25 Posted: Oct.5 at 3:07 pm
      HOW IS D-ROSE BETTER THAN “MR. BIG SHOT!” Im done already… Chauncey needs to be top 15! PERIOD!

    • Mike Klander Posted: Oct.6 at 3:28 pm
      “Get er done!” Billups. This is the only ranking I have disagreed with thus far. He should be top 15-12 at the the least!

    • Wayno Posted: Oct.6 at 4:26 pm
      I know y’all have seen this one, but this is seriously my favorite OTL piece and one of my favorite articles of all time…enjoy (again) http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=090511/billups

    • [...] bit an All-Star in game, if not in name. And with Paul in his conference, not to mention Nash, Chauncey Billups and Tony Parker, next year isn’t guaranteed [...]

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