October 19, 2009 8:00 am  |  163 Comments

Top 50: Tim Duncan, no. 6

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Russ Bengtson

The best book ever written on the nuts and bolts of writing was originally published in 1919. Called “The Elements of Style,” it focused primarily on usage and composition. It was 43 pages long. Later revised by New Yorker writer E.B. White, who added an introduction and final chapter, Tim Duncanit expanded to 71 pages. But the key piece of advice—one that appeared in the original version and remained unchanged through all the revisions and editions—was a single, short sentence: “Omit needless words.” That’s all. Follow no other directive but that one, and you will become a better writer.

At this point you’re probably asking what a slim, 90-year-old book on writing has to do with Tim Duncan. The answer is everything. Basketball, much like writing, is only as complicated as you make it. The basic rules of both are simple. In writing, it’s ‘tell the story.’ In basketball, it’s ’score more points than the other team.’ Duncan has understood this since he entered the League, if not since he entered the world.

As a rookie, Duncan averaged 21.1 points and 11.9 rebounds on 55 percent shooting. Last season, he averaged 19.3 points and 10.7 rebounds on 50.4 percent shooting. His career averages are 21.4, 11.7, 50.7 percent. If he’s on any sort of decline, it’s the most gradual of slopes. At 33 years old, Duncan is pretty much the player he’s always been. And if he’s relatively unaffected by age, it’s only because he was similarly unaffected by youth. It’s not like he’s had to figure out how to play when his athleticism started to decline. He never used it even when he had it. Assuming Timmy ever had it in the first place.

In both writing and basketball, it’s easy to get carried away. To mistake complexity and creativity for real accomplishment. All the adjectives and adverbs and flourishes in the world don’t mean a thing if you fail to tell the story. And a killer crossover or an otherworldly vertical doesn’t matter much if you can’t shoot or play defense. Tim Duncan has made it abundantly clear that he wants to tell the story. With four championships and counting, he’s told it very well indeed.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ‘09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • james Posted: Oct.19 at 8:04 am
    first damn the truth is top 5
    and so is mr no post moves howard. ouch

  • StorminNorman06 Posted: Oct.19 at 8:04 am
    First
    And i agree with this he has been consistent and dominent in the NBA for a number of years now :)

  • letsmotor Posted: Oct.19 at 8:07 am
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they’re different positions so it’s tough to compare, but….whaaaaaat?

  • letsmotor Posted: Oct.19 at 8:07 am
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they’re different positions so it’s tough to compare, but….whaaaaaat?

  • Vince5 Posted: Oct.19 at 8:07 am
    Short but true. Tim Duncan still owns the pf position.

  • letsmotor Posted: Oct.19 at 8:08 am
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they play different positions, so it’s tough to make comparisons, but…whaaaaaaaaat?

  • letsmotor Posted: Oct.19 at 8:09 am
    sorry for the triple post…browser problems.

  • thomas Posted: Oct.19 at 8:11 am
    Dirk>>>Duncan (definitely true at this point of their careers)

  • Michael Posted: Oct.19 at 8:14 am
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they play different positions, so it’s tough to make comparisons, but…whaaaaaaaaat?

  • Mauritz Posted: Oct.19 at 8:15 am
    Great spot for Timmy. He’s still that good.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.19 at 8:16 am
    Hey c’mon Russ, yer my favorite writer, that felt a little short: busy today?
    Alas, Tim Duncan is only gradually losing his offense, since his fundamental footwork and post moves allow him to score with limited movement.
    It’s Duncan’s defense that’s fading… man to man, Duncan is getting worse noticeably, but his help defense is really sort of shot: you could always write Duncan down for at least two blocks a game, but alas, that’s no longer true!
    His health is also an issue.
    All in all, Duncan is still top ten, so six isn’t a bad spot for him… but there are better.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.19 at 8:16 am
    Now, Howard in the top five…. eh…

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.19 at 8:17 am
    Is there any other superstar in the L as bad in the clutch as Howard is?

  • knock knock Posted: Oct.19 at 8:25 am
    Well D-wight close out the cavs last year, but failed against the lakers. Pretty sure he steps up when need be. Just coulnt do it against the greatest.

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.19 at 8:32 am
    When he plays 40 minutes you can count on 25 and 12 still.

  • rainman10 Posted: Oct.19 at 8:36 am
    As bad in the clutch as Howard? He led them to game 6 and 7 wins last year against Boston in the playoffs. Then closed out the Cavs in 6. I can ask so many other questions…Is there any other superstar in the league that can rebound or block shots like Howard can? Is there any other superstar in the L that affects the game on both ends of the floor as much as Howard? (maybe)

  • NUPE Posted: Oct.19 at 8:37 am
    Good spot for Tim. Howard will put up similar scoring and rebounding numbers (maybe a bit better), and he’s a lot better than Duncan on D. So should Howard be ahead of Duncan - most definitely. Will Howard have a better career than Duncan has had - I doubt it, but gotta wait 10 years or so to know for sure.

  • monkeyball Posted: Oct.19 at 8:46 am
    One thing stories about the greatness of Tim Duncan often fail to mention is his durability problems. He’s just hurt too damn often. This is not to argue against his greatness - almost certainly the greatest ever at his position (though I know some old folks who keep insisting Bob Pettit still owns that spot). But IF this list is about projected performance in 09-10, then I agree with those who say Dirk will have a better season. He’ll almost certainly play more games than Timmy.

  • LeoneL Posted: Oct.19 at 8:50 am
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they play different positions, so it’s tough to make comparisons, but…whaaaaaaaaat?

  • jude Posted: Oct.19 at 8:56 am
    5) CP3
    4) Dwight
    3) LeBron/Kobe
    2) Kobe/LeBron 1) DWade

  • ripcity Posted: Oct.19 at 8:56 am
    d-will not making the top 10 was bad. durant being number 8 was worse. howard better be no. 5.

  • pennydunk_1 Posted: Oct.19 at 9:05 am
    I wouldn’t bother to watch basketball, hadn’t it been for the crossovers, dunks and athleticism.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.19 at 9:08 am
    rainman10: … did you watch the Cavs series? Howard barely shot in the fourth.

  • Joel O's Posted: Oct.19 at 9:16 am
    I’d put Duncan in the top 3. Or 2.

  • Joel O's Posted: Oct.19 at 9:30 am
    @rainman10: Dwight is a dominant defensive guy. But offensively he’s just a much, much more athletic Mutombo.

  • SLAM ONLINE | » Hot Topics? Posted: Oct.19 at 9:31 am
    [...] Top 50: Tim Duncan, no. 6 [...]

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.19 at 9:38 am
    Great & to the point…Duncan is still (rankings be damned) the best big in the entire L-just as he has been the last 6 or 7 seasons. Always efficient, dominant AND selfless.

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.19 at 9:40 am
    Whoa joel o that’s a little far.

  • rainman10 Posted: Oct.19 at 10:02 am
    So if Howard is just a much more athletic Mutombo, than Shaq is(was) just a bigger Howard. Just because Howard isn’t making the game winner, which he has done before, doesn’t mean he doesn’t affect the game in the final seconds.

  • Darksaber Posted: Oct.19 at 10:08 am
    Nice short story, Russ. And to the point… Just like cookie is. As for impact/production for the coming season (the crystal ball criteria for this edition of Top 50), Timmy isn’t top 6. Not with Mr. Solid (McDyess), Speedy McFrance, the eurostepper from Buenos Aires or the the Bridal hotstepper on this year’s Spurs team. Add their up&coming youngsters and Timmy might actually be fresher come playoff time (where he truly is a great performer…except for Freethrow percentage).

  • Renato Posted: Oct.19 at 10:10 am
    Rex Prevision (How will be) : 5) CP3
    4) Flash
    3) D-12
    2) Kobe
    1) Bron Bron Rex Prevision (How should be) : 5) CP3
    4) D-12
    3) Bron Bron
    2) James
    1) Kobe

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.19 at 10:12 am
    I think people underestimate how bad offensivley motombo was, numbers be damned. I had the displeasure of seeing him play on a few occasions once when I was in 7th grade and he was doing things they taught us in 5 grade basketball. It was horrendous.

  • PANAGIOTIS VASILOPOULOS Posted: Oct.19 at 10:20 am
    Pau>Dirk>Duncan>….>Garnett>….>Yao(?)>……..SHAQ>…..>Howard>………..

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.19 at 10:22 am
    Bryan, what year were you in 7th Grade?

  • andy Posted: Oct.19 at 10:33 am
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they play different positions, so it’s tough to make comparisons, but…whaaaaaaaaat?

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.19 at 10:38 am
    Bryan…jus curious if you’re talking Mutombo of Philly, Atlanta, or Denver days… Oh, those days of Mutombo and Abdul-Rauf…the Nuggets were FUNNNNNNN back then

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.19 at 10:44 am
    Z: Numbers be damned? Dudes best averages were 16 points on 48% shooting… at 7′2 with nearly 40 minutes to work with! Throw in 3.5 turnovers from handling the rock and you have an atrocious offensive center!

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.19 at 10:46 am
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they play different positions, so it’s tough to make comparisons, but…whaaaaaaaaat?

  • Cheryl Posted: Oct.19 at 10:56 am
    Most everyone here knows I got a duncan crush, but not top 5?? In the immortal words of Jukai–whaaaaaaaaaat??

  • zabba Posted: Oct.19 at 11:00 am
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they play different positions, so it’s tough to make comparisons, but…whaaaaaaaaat?

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.19 at 11:01 am
    Nice write-up, very subtle.
    I used to be ambivalent about Tim Duncan, now I have a basketball man crush on him.
    That dude is awesome in the post. Anytime other players study video of your post moves to better their own games, you know you’re doing something right.
    And Tim used to have a little bit more athleticism, but not much. I remember him getting teased about having no hops in an All-Star game one year.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.19 at 11:03 am
    don’t dog Mutombo out too much…If Oden turns out production like Mutombo’s best years, the Blazers will be lifting the Larry O’Brien trophy soon. If Bynum turns out production like Mutombo’s worst years, the Lakers WILL repeat.

  • Simon S.Y Lawy Posted: Oct.19 at 11:11 am
    whaaaaaaaaaat??

  • Myles Brown Posted: Oct.19 at 11:12 am
    Russ is the Tim Duncan of this sh*t.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.19 at 11:18 am
    Allenp…I’ve been on Duncan’s bandwagon since freshman year at WF

  • ENDS Posted: Oct.19 at 11:20 am
    it will be
    5.D Wade
    4.D12
    3.CP3
    2.KB8errr24
    1.LeBron “SLAM has stock in the cavs” James

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.19 at 11:21 am
    Tavoris:1997 I saw the timberwolves play the hawks at the ga dome.

  • fireman10101 Posted: Oct.19 at 11:26 am
    I thought these were projsections of the upcomin season. With that being said the past don’t matter so why is duncan rated so high? I highly doubt if he has a better statistical year than dirk, durant, melo or dwill. But if russ thinks it then it MIGHT be true, but I doubt it. IMO!!!

  • niQ Posted: Oct.19 at 11:33 am
    It’s almost scary how consitent this man has been throughout his career, averaging a double double ALL his career. Although last seaon his points and rebounds dropped slightly, don’t ever sleep on this man.

  • niQ Posted: Oct.19 at 11:33 am
    …or robot =P

  • Z Posted: Oct.19 at 11:34 am
    Best PF of all-time. He is better than Dwight, and it’s not even that close. As I’ve already said, Dwight makes 2-3 moves a game that makes you wonder if he started playing ball last week or last month. Ugh.

  • Co Co Posted: Oct.19 at 11:34 am
    What Myles said.

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.19 at 11:36 am
    Tim Duncan is the only good thing about the spurs for me.

  • Mr Anonymous Posted: Oct.19 at 11:39 am
    Dirk over Duncan? Come on. Duncan is a better defender, rebounded better, shot better percentages, blocked better and had more assists. Duncan was playing like an absolute beast pre-injury (and his end of season stats were still damn good). If he’s unaffected by injury, which is an assumption I guess the guys used, he’s a monster. And here’s what I think the Top 5 should finish like: 5) Dwight Howard
    4) Kobe Bryant
    3) Dwayne Wade
    2) Chris Paul
    1) Lebron James

  • Antwonomous Posted: Oct.19 at 11:40 am
    Interesting point about Tim’s athleticism. Did he ever really have it? I mean, he’s def slower now but was he ever that quick to begin with? He always ran the floor well, but that was about the only thing that you ever noticed about him as an athlete.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.19 at 11:40 am
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they play different positions, so it’s tough to make comparisons, but…whaaaaaaaaat?

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.19 at 11:47 am
    @ Bryan-oh yea…he seemed to be much better offensively on the Nuggets tho, Maybe it was because people could never double off of Abdul- Rauf or Bryant Stith. Those Hawks with Mook and Steve Smith were pretty nice too…but Deke was like 45 y/o by that time.

  • Darksaber Posted: Oct.19 at 11:47 am
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they play different positions, so it’s tough to make comparisons, but…whaaaaaaaaat? (actually mine would be “Duncan ahead of Nowitzki, whaaaaat?) comment pyramids are fun.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.19 at 11:56 am
    What it should be:
    1. Kobe
    2. LeBron
    3. Wade
    4. Paul
    5. Howard.
    SLAM’s actual list:
    1. LeBron
    2. Kobe
    3. Wade
    4. Paul
    5. Howard

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.19 at 12:00 pm
    Darksaber
    When Dirk plays both sides of the ball he can pass Tim Duncan. And learns how to be a better passer.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.19 at 12:02 pm
    Allenp, and wins 4 rings

  • Bryan Crawford Posted: Oct.19 at 12:06 pm
    @Jukai: Felt a little short? It seems you missed the whole point. It’s harder to write a short piece than it is a long one. Great write up Russ.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.19 at 12:11 pm
    By SLAM’s actual list, I mean my prediction for what it will be.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.19 at 12:12 pm
    I’m not sure who’d I’d take on this list though; Paul or Wade?

  • rog123 Posted: Oct.19 at 12:15 pm
    Duncan used to throw it down nasty back in the day. I wasn’t a fan his first couple years but thank god for youtube. He throws it down sooo sick on everyone!

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.19 at 12:16 pm
    Best power-forward of all time, I agree.
    So who’s second? Karl Malone or Barkley?

  • TADOne Posted: Oct.19 at 12:17 pm
    1) LeBron
    2) KB
    3) Wade
    4) Howard
    5) CP3

  • rog123 Posted: Oct.19 at 12:18 pm
    Call me crazy but id rather have duncan lead my team than anyone who’s not named kobe or lebron! Actually if you want anyone besides those 3 guys leading your team, you are the crazy ones

  • rog123 Posted: Oct.19 at 12:20 pm
    Second goes to the mailman, he coulda maybe been first but that jordan guy always ruined it

  • rog123 Posted: Oct.19 at 12:26 pm
    I get that this piece was supposed to be basic, simple and meaningful like duncans game , but come on. A top 5 player deserves a little more ink. Did u even describe his game other than fundamental or consistent? Shot blocker, one of the best low post scorer in the ever, top rebounder, one of the best teamates and leaders ever in all sports. And he is clutch. So clutch that u better not leave him open at the 3 point line shaq!!!!

  • Sigurður Einar (Iceland). Posted: Oct.19 at 12:30 pm
    This is the real top 5. 5. Duncan
    4. Paul
    3. Lebron
    2. Wadde
    1. Kobe. Basketball is not always about puting upp numbers. It about the litle think that dose not show in stats. Kobe is MVP. Lebron will be the king but not right know.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.19 at 12:32 pm
    rog123, I thought that was Dirk that left him at the 3pt line…

  • Anton Posted: Oct.19 at 12:44 pm
    5. Sebastian Telfair
    4. The guy who stopped prep TMac
    3. White girl
    2. Kobe
    1. LeBron

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.19 at 12:50 pm
    People really don’t understand how great Duncan is on both ends, or at least how good he’s always been. The sole reason why the Suns couldn’t be the Spurs was Tim Duncan. He was it. His ability to dominate both sides of the ball regardless of the tempo was what prevented the Suns from getting to the Finals.
    The fact that Dirk and the Mavs actually beat Duncan to get to the Finals that one year is impressive. Granted, it was a horrible play by Manu that was the difference, but Dirk did lead his team over one of the greatest players of all-time.
    Although, Devin Harris was the real difference in that series.

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.19 at 1:07 pm
    Even I the biggest spurs hater on this site can say duncan is truly great. He’s still great 19 and 10 with almost 2 blocks in like 33 minutes game? Beastmode.

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.19 at 1:09 pm
    Tavoris: motumbo had one post smash hiss ass into the defenders crotch back up and use his long ass arms to drop in some bap hook shot.

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.19 at 1:12 pm
    Post move*

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.19 at 1:14 pm
    Bryan…that was Mutombo’s only post move…hell, he even did that to Shaq

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.19 at 1:33 pm
    Deke was ugly on offense. Really ugly. But, strangely effective against some people.

  • Joel O's Posted: Oct.19 at 1:37 pm
    Dwight does that same Mutombo post move. Where he just horizontally takes big layup steps across the lane and does an awkward running hook shot.

  • Joel O's Posted: Oct.19 at 1:47 pm
    @Allenp: Right. Duncan is the sole big man in the last decade who plays at both ends of the court at the highest level of skill and intensity, with the possible exception of KG. Shaq, while offensively without peer, has the defensive ability but slacks off a lot. Dwight and Amare are each only great at one end, and mediocre at the other. Yao is decent at both O and D, but like all giant big men he suffers from injuries and immobility.

  • D12FSU Posted: Oct.19 at 1:47 pm
    Why is everyone hating on Dwight, he’s coming off a season where he became the 5th player to lead the L in both blocks and rebounds, a playoffs where he beat 2 teams no one thought they had any chance of winning, and giving orl it’s first finals victory every (the Cleveland lebrons have 0)….and o yea…he’s only turning 24 in dcember!!!! I don’t care if he only has “3 moves” he averaged 21 a game, so as long as the ball goes in, I don’t care how.

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.19 at 1:52 pm
    Everybody is hating on Dwight because he has obvious problems in his game. Period.
    And we’re not talking about minor problems, we’re talking about massive gaping holes.
    Dwight can’t make post moves, can’t shoot free throws, and can’t pass. He got abused by Pau Gasol in the post.
    Dwight is nice against inferior teams but the simple truth is that against top flight, skilled big men, he’s lacking.
    Which is why I would prefer to have Duncan (if healthy) next year.

  • Omar3 Posted: Oct.19 at 1:53 pm
    Only Duncan and Kobe have 4 rings on that top 6 list. Actually any rings besides D-Wade. CP3, Dwight, and Bron are good, but they haven’t proved to really be on this list with a championship. Duncan will get his fifth this year and next year’s top 50 yall will all have him in the top 5 for sure.

  • Garett Posted: Oct.19 at 1:57 pm
    I would argue anyone in the NBA is amazingly athletic, and even in that range TD still isn’t as bad as he’s often made out to be. Yes, on the NBA athletic ability scale TD’s not the highest, but a 7 footer that can move like him is impressive. He doesn’t jump the highest (most visible sign of athleticism in basketball), but his lateral mobility, coordination, strength etc. likely scores high amongst his peers Good spot for him.

  • Allenp Posted: Oct.19 at 1:58 pm
    Garret
    Good point. Duncan is like Steve Nash when it comes to athleticism.

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.19 at 2:05 pm
    Duncan’s defense has dropped drastically last year. Tis true.
    I like that line, “Duncan is like Steve Nash when it comes to athleticism.”

  • K3V1N3o5 Posted: Oct.19 at 2:06 pm
    Duncan RIGHT NOW is still better than Dwight.I do think Dwight expands his game more this year and takes the crown for best big man in the L. 5)Duncan 4)CP3 3)LeBron 2)D-Wade 1)Kobe

  • jdote Posted: Oct.19 at 2:09 pm
    dont agree with the ranking but this was a cooooooooooold write up. good looks

  • Omar3 Posted: Oct.19 at 2:09 pm
    So is this the NBA lineup?
    PG CP3
    SG Kobe/Wade
    SF LeBron
    PF Tim Duncan
    C Dwight
    ???

  • la huey Posted: Oct.19 at 2:18 pm
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they play different positions, so it’s tough to make comparisons, but…whaaaaaaaaat?

  • jdote Posted: Oct.19 at 2:34 pm
    does duncan impact the game as much as howard still.. i mean d howard, despite not having much of an offensive game still causes a lot of havoc..puts people in foul trouble and attacks the offensive boards much harder than duncan..he can play more minutes as well.. id take duncan n e dai though..

  • kva45 Posted: Oct.19 at 2:43 pm
    GOOD SPACE FOR THE GREATEST BIG MAN OF ALL TIME!FOR NOW.I EXPECT HIM TO BE HIGHER NEXT LIST.WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP PUTTING CPCHOKE IN THE TOP FIVE?HE HAD ONE REALLY GOOD SEASON AND YOU GUYS THINK HE IS ISAIAH THOMAS! D-WILL KILLS HIM ALL THE TIME! YOU GUYS NEED TO REALLY WATCH BASKETBALL AND STOP LISTENING TO THE PRESS.CP3,LBJ AND DWIGHT ARE ALL PRESS BOYS. 1.KOBE 2.MELO 3.CHAUNCEY 4.TIMMY 5.D-WILL.

  • nbk Posted: Oct.19 at 2:51 pm
    KVA its pretty obvious that you think your caps lock changes the meaning of your words and you obviously don’t understand basketball all that well….and your prolly from denver. Melo is terrible at defense, implying he is a top 5 player in the league is ignorant. Chauncey Billups, 3rd in the league? haha and then Deron is 5. Your not a smart person

  • rog123 Posted: Oct.19 at 2:55 pm
    Defenders can leave howard alone when he is outta the paint, they gotta stay with duncan pretty much everywhere inside the 3 line. Defenders have trouble with howard because he is so strong and agile for a center, but defenders got trouble with ducan because they can face guard him but they can’t stop his post moves

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.19 at 2:57 pm
    Joel…that’s Patrick Ewing’s move all the way

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.19 at 2:59 pm
    nbk…I saw those caps and immediately ignored everything kva said

  • Nbk Posted: Oct.19 at 3:00 pm
    tavoris: i saw those caps and thanked god it wasn’t you….haha jk, i saw them and immediately knew what i was dealing with

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.19 at 3:01 pm
    Garett, I think Brian Scalabrine defies your logic about everybody’s athleticism…

  • Bryan Posted: Oct.19 at 3:18 pm
    I wouldn’t underestimate anyone in the nba, its like kenny smith once said on the back page of slam “steve will give you 50!”. And its true just about any 14th man on an nba roster will come to your town and scrub you up.

  • Cordeazy Posted: Oct.19 at 3:38 pm
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they play different positions, so it’s tough to make comparisons, but…whaaaaaaaaat?

  • Cordeazy Posted: Oct.19 at 3:39 pm
    sorry, was a little late to class.

  • DUNCAN THE LAST GREAT SUPERSTAR! Posted: Oct.19 at 3:49 pm
    TIM DUNCAN Rockie of the Year
    2 MVP’s Back to Back
    3 Finals MVP’S
    4 NBA Championships
    Made superstars out of Tony Parker, & Manu Ginolbili. Dwight Howard will never win MVP or a NBA Championship in his lifetime. Sorry, But truth speaks for it self.

  • chiqo Posted: Oct.19 at 3:57 pm
    tim duncan’s post moves, face up jumper, ability to pass out of a double team, and ability to stay out of foul trouble disagree with him being ranked under howard.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.19 at 4:31 pm
    Bryan, that’s an accurate assessment, but running fast, jumping high, and changing directions faster than a hoveround seems to be difficult for him. His mid-range J is wet, tho

  • miguel10 Posted: Oct.19 at 4:35 pm
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they play different positions, so it’s tough to make comparisons, but…whaaaaaaaaat?

  • Nbk Posted: Oct.19 at 4:37 pm
    how many different names is that one person gonna use?

  • black pinoy Posted: Oct.19 at 4:38 pm
    i know this is based on projected outputs this season but id still say duncan will definetly play better than howard .. (unless ofcourse howard improves his 5th grade post game) .. its like saying durang will have a better season than kobe //

  • Tdot Posted: Oct.19 at 4:42 pm
    mr.fundamental is the ish

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.19 at 4:49 pm
    nbk, that’s not him…but he suffers the same affliction.

  • 360vue Posted: Oct.19 at 4:52 pm
    nice article, refreshingly brief, and no fuss, which definitely mirrors TD. Gotta comment on the referenced book however, as by and large, elements of style is an awful work on english grammar; the bulk of it was outdated back in 1918 let alone today.

    on the TD-Howard debate, gotta be dwight for me. Many will disagree, and even age aside, i feel Dwight can make a much deeper impact on a game than TD. TD you’re pretty much guaranteedand 20/10 which beautiful, but Dwight has a ceiling way beyond that despite the fact many facets of his game need dramatic improvement. He could realistically manage 25/14/3 blocks next season. Meanwhile, no.1 belongs kobe, which pains me to say considering for years i liked to think/pretend my sixers iverson was ahead of kobe… Lebron james can destroy teams on his own, but he can’t do it every game, Kobe can not only destroy teams on his own when he needs to, but more often than not, he makes everyone around him infinitely better when he needs to

  • nbk Posted: Oct.19 at 4:53 pm
    la huey Posted: Oct.19 at 2:18 pm
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they play different positions, so it’s tough to make comparisons, but…whaaaaaaaaat?
    Cordeazy Posted: Oct.19 at 3:38 pm
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they play different positions, so it’s tough to make comparisons, but…whaaaaaaaaat?
    miguel10 Posted: Oct.19 at 4:35 pm
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they play different positions, so it’s tough to make comparisons, but…whaaaaaaaaat? whaaaaat?

  • tealish Posted: Oct.19 at 4:58 pm
    @Joel’s 9:32 — Dwight WISHES he had Mutumbo’s hook.

  • shifty Posted: Oct.19 at 5:58 pm
    Heaps of people are getting caught on the “can’t believe such and such is in front of such and such” its about their performace for this upcoming season, so what if Howard doesn’t have post moves, is he going to get better numbers then Duncan? Yes so Howard deserves to be in front. If he can improve on his hideous free throws then who knows how many points Howard will average this season.

  • davidR Posted: Oct.19 at 5:58 pm
    yo russ, make sure krolik sees the first paragraph of this article, and pays attention to the last half of it. forreal.

  • davidR Posted: Oct.19 at 6:03 pm
    anyway, dope piece on the robot. loved how you stayed consistent with the “less is more” concept by keeping the article short on words but on point — just like duncan. cause really, what else is there to say about duncan? why re-tell his story when it’s the same every (other) year?

  • TADOne Posted: Oct.19 at 6:08 pm
    I like both Timmy and Dwight, but Howard should be ahead of Duncan on the simple fact that pretty much any night of the week he can give you 20/20 and 5-6 blocks. The way Duncan has post moves and offense for days, Howard has athleticism, defense and rebounding. Howard has a left hand now that he didn’t have at all as a rookie. He also has a decent hook shot and an improving jumper. Regardless, no one can stop Howard from dunking. No one. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter how you score the rock, just that you score.

  • nbk Posted: Oct.19 at 6:30 pm
    Dwight is better then Duncan for the fact that he can play all 82 games plus the playoffs without a decline in production. Duncan is pretty much a 65 game season player. In the playoffs though, give me duncan or give me death

  • Mo Posted: Oct.19 at 6:36 pm
    I like both Tim and Dwight as well and I think this is the perfect spot for Tim. Tim is still a very good player and will go down as one of if not the best to play the PF position but people like to hold on to reputation too long. Tim won’t lose his reputation but there are players better than him at this point.

  • Yesse Posted: Oct.19 at 6:37 pm
    Ohh come on.Dirk is probably having a better season than Tim.Tim is getting older, but he is probably the best PF ever in Nba history.The top 5 probably goes like this…
    1)Dwyane Wade
    2)LeBron James
    3)Kobe Bryant
    4)Dwight Howard
    5)Chris Paul
    Now thats not a fan list, thats my prediction of the top 5.Personally, Kobe is my favorite player, but he doesnt have to do as much for his team as the others.

  • nbk Posted: Oct.19 at 6:40 pm
    i hope slam does not have dwayne wade infront of Kobe or LeBron. if thats the case then the voters gotta lotta splainin to do

  • Mo Posted: Oct.19 at 6:42 pm
    @kva45 you know full damn well Deron Williams isn’t a Top 5 player. LMAO! He needs to do more that win head to head matchups to be considered top 5 son. I’m pretty sure both Tony Parker and Steve Nash has won head to head matchups against Deron does that mean they’re better players than Deron? Does that mean they’re top 5 players. Stop hatin fella. LMAO!

  • Mo Posted: Oct.19 at 6:44 pm
    Go take a nap and let the grown folks talk. LMAO!

  • Mo Posted: Oct.19 at 6:49 pm
    @Yesse, that’s the top 5 right there. Reminds me of a video I just watched on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR7e1b_nsy4

  • Mo Posted: Oct.19 at 6:49 pm
    I’m not talking about the particular order but that’s the top 5 in the league right there.

  • Mo Posted: Oct.19 at 6:51 pm
    Not particularly in that order but that’s the top 5.

  • Steve Posted: Oct.19 at 7:13 pm
    For the next ten years give me Dwight. For the next ten months give me Tim B Dunkin. I think the list compilers forgot their focus on the season ahead as a stand alone thing when decidiing to put Howard over Timmy.

  • Steve Posted: Oct.19 at 7:18 pm
    Lots of statistical arguments why Howard should be above Timmy given above, but in the fourth quarter with the pressure on who do you want with the ball? Timmy with his range of moves, mid range jumper, (relatively) reliable foul shooting, or Dwight who will be put on the line each time and miss more than his fair share? Dwight will dominate virtually all centers in the league today, but come finals time if all else was equal and it only came down to Timmy v Dwight for the title I back the Spurs every time. And for anyone saying they play different positions, you know who would be guarding Timmy down the stretch and you know damn well Timmy would be taking Dwight.

  • nbk Posted: Oct.19 at 7:18 pm
    or they considered an entire season rather then 1 game. maybe you should do the same thing steve. this will be the best way to figure it out…..check how many games howard and duncan play each year. then calculate how many more rebounds blocks and points howard would have have if duncan played all 82 games.

  • nbk Posted: Oct.19 at 7:19 pm
    then subtract the 16+ games Duncan is sure to miss. and you have a great reason to have howard ranked ahead of duncan.

  • christian wells Posted: Oct.19 at 7:38 pm
    finally we hv arrived the TOP 5

  • KH10 Posted: Oct.19 at 7:58 pm
    howard is definately going to post better stats than tim, and probably lead the magic to 60 wins and the ECF, if he learns one more post move he could average 25 and 15, so for this season his ranking makes sense, but there is no question that hes an inferior player, and its unlikely he (or anyone else) will reach the heights that TD has.
    duncan, kobe and shaq are the only guys playing now that are proven winners.

  • Steve Posted: Oct.19 at 8:31 pm
    NBK, I am not talking about 1 game really, was just using that to illustrate the point. Howard will have at least one 30-30 game this season I am sure … against the Grizzlies or some other bottom feeder. Timmy won’t have one. Who cares! Both teams are going to be in the finals and that is where true value plays out. If I was the Spurs I would rest Tim against crappy teams as well, the old adage about the season being a marathon and not a sprint is true, and the fact that the Spurs might protect their best player from the wear and tear of a long season does not in my view diminish his value or should affect his ranking here. Your comment suggests you would prefer a 72-10 record and no title over a 52-30 record and a title. It also suggests yoou woould prefer a regular season MVP over a Finals MVP. I think you would be in the minority in both cases.

  • Steve Posted: Oct.19 at 8:34 pm
    I would include DWade in the proven winners list KH10 … not just for winning the title with Shaq but also for the way he dragged that sorry Heat team into the finals and also what he did his last year in College. I wouldn’t extend it any further than that though.

  • Gerard Himself Posted: Oct.19 at 10:12 pm
    @mo: no offense, but you posted “let the grown folks talk”, which was you second comment in a row ending with “LMFAO”, these “grown folks” you speak of… that doesn’t include you then, does it?
    With that being said: I’m a bit surprised by this ranking. Since the rankings are based on the impact a player will have on the upcoming season, of course Duncan deserves to be in the top 10. no doubt. But 6? Not too sure about that.

  • Gerard Himself Posted: Oct.19 at 10:13 pm
    I wanted to add that the way Russ wrote this up, is something I can really appreciate. Well done Russ.

  • JJG Posted: Oct.19 at 10:26 pm
    howard ahead of duncan? i know they play different positions, so it’s tough to make comparisons, but…whaaaaaaaaat?

  • Shem Posted: Oct.19 at 10:53 pm
    oh woowww i completely forgot.. PAUL PIERCE IS IN THE TOP 5. Honestly no post moves howard will have a better year then duncan no matter how he gets it in he ll average 20 14 and 3 and probably go to atleast the 2nd round or east finals. Duncan wont get 19 and 10 again and probably wont win a title anyways so no arguement with howard but paul pierce… for real?

  • Shem Posted: Oct.19 at 10:58 pm
    @Jukai: I think LeBron is like 1/300 in the clutch. The only clutch things ive seen lebron do is the detroit game 5 a couple yrs back, the buzzer against g state and the shot over hedo. Sounds like theres alot of moments but trust me i watch alot of cavs games theres a lot lebron doesnt do in the clutch

  • Ghost (of duane causwell) Posted: Oct.19 at 11:00 pm
    5 chris paul
    4 dwight howard
    3 dwayne wade
    2 lebron james
    1 kobe bryant let’s wrap this up guys

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Oct.19 at 11:30 pm
    Are you joking Shem? Didn’t LeBron lead the league in fourth quarter scoring last year? On a team with the most wins in the league? Yeah…
    Also, you’re discrediting the fact that he literally dragged the Cleveland Cavaliers to the NBA Finals by himself, a feat barely any other player has done (outside of Allen Iverson). He also singlehandedly disposed of the Washington Wizards for consecutive years in the playoffs, with plenty of clutch, last-second points put on the board. So don’t tell me LeBron James is not clutch.

  • stxonelove Posted: Oct.19 at 11:30 pm
    I put only kobe in front of DUNCAN,to hell with positions Championships make the difference.Howard will never be as good as Duncan “EVER”.Duncan should be in the top 5 ever to play the game period.

  • whooo! Posted: Oct.19 at 11:55 pm
    expect Duncan’s numbers to be lower, as his minutes will be monitored more. BUT, also expect his PER and per minute numbers to be off the charts compared to before. this is the deepest team he’s ever been on (’05 was very good & balanced though), and with pretty much no liabilities on offense - you can’t double team at all against their starting 5. but the thing with Duncan is, he’s spent so much time w/ Robert Horry that he tries to pace himself in the regular season and steps it up in the playoffs.

  • whooo! Posted: Oct.19 at 11:57 pm
    oh, and the stats Russ noted are nice, but wait till you see the playoff numbers and realize that everything goes up once the post-season hits. sure, you can knock his injuries the past couple years, but before this, he had been an absolute trooper (winning the chip in ‘05 on TWO bad ankles). gimme a guy who’ll always come through in the playoffs, regardless of pain, any day of the week, over a guy who’s healthy but chokes in the playoffs.

  • Joel O's Posted: Oct.20 at 12:01 am
    @Bryan: I dunno, I think Mutombo isn’t as bad an offensive player as we give him credit sometimes. With the exception of his last few years as a role player, he was always a double-double guy. It’s always been fun to laugh at the big dude’s seeming clumsiness, but offensively Deke was no friggin Greg Ostertag. Dwight even has arguably the same (or less, Tealish) offensive post moves that Deke had, but he’s so much stronger and athletic that he gets a load more dunks and garbage baskets.

  • Joel O's Posted: Oct.20 at 12:04 am
    @tavoris: Right. It seems to work a lot better for Patrick than it does for Dwight though…

  • Joel O's Posted: Oct.20 at 12:07 am
    @whoo: I think the ‘03 Spurs were crazy deep. They had Steve Smith, Manu, TP, Jax, Kerr, Kevin Willis and a bunch of other guys. And Robinson was still playing. This 09-10 squad is a bit more top heavy, I think.

  • Darksaber Posted: Oct.20 at 12:25 am
    Now wait a minute, who claims PP is in the top 5? Is this a joke?

  • Jukai Posted: Oct.20 at 1:10 am
    Joel: He averaged like… 14 points on sub 50% shooting while averaging close to 40 minutes… and he’s 7′2! He’s a REALLY bad offensive center.

  • Hursty Posted: Oct.20 at 2:49 am
    Pierce has already been listed.

  • rikson Posted: Oct.20 at 4:06 am
    Now is this list about the projected performance this year or not?! SLAM, you seem to change the rules the way you want to… NO WAY Timmy is gonna be the 6th best player next year - thats a joke! Hell, by that criteria Ill put O’neal over Duncan… Dont get me wrong, Duncan is pure greatness and arguably the PF of all time - but he is also old! Thats crazy….

  • zach (aus) Posted: Oct.20 at 5:05 am
    top 5 )5 D 12 )4 Wade )3 CP3 )2 Kobe )1 who else other than LeBron imma going to NY James

  • zach (aus) Posted: Oct.20 at 5:05 am
    top 5 )5 D 12 )4 Wade )3 CP3 )2 Kobe )1 who else other than LeBron imma going to NY James

  • zach (aus) Posted: Oct.20 at 5:10 am
    top 10 in 2012
    )10 Amare
    )9 Mayo
    )8 B roy
    )7 D Will
    )6 Clipper #32
    )5 CP3
    )4 D Rose
    )3 D 12
    )2 Durant
    )1 LeBron

  • karan Posted: Oct.20 at 5:49 am
    great article, well written: KG should be closer to duncan tho

  • lol Posted: Oct.20 at 7:07 am
    just realized there is not a white american player in the top 50!!! that is amazing!. I am not saying the ranking is biassed, I am saying their level is at lowest! Who do you think is the best white american player in the league? I cannot think of one. If europeans can compete, why shouldn’t they? By the way, I totally buy Panagiotis freak of nature issue

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 10:42 am
    nbk, Duncan has only missed 16 games TOTAL in the last four seasons.

  • tavoris Posted: Oct.20 at 10:46 am
    lol…I’d say the best white American player right now would be Mike Miller.

  • MR Posted: Oct.20 at 11:56 am
    & considering the white american greats that existed before prior to this…i would say the best is probably mike dunleavy

  • chiqo Posted: Oct.20 at 12:23 pm
    david lee? half of jason kidd?

  • David Posted: Oct.20 at 3:29 pm
    Funny how this article compares to Dwight Howard’s.

  • RedRum Posted: Oct.20 at 9:52 pm
    Everyone who dares say that Dirk is better than Duncan is a moron, or has never played basketball. I put Duncan top 5 all time.

  • DTC Posted: Oct.27 at 4:56 pm
    Remember that Duncan is only wat? 7 mabye 8 years older than howard

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