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Wednesday, September 24th, 2008 at 8:00 am  |  271 responses

SLAMonline Top 50: Antawn Jamison, no. 29

The definitive ranking of the best players in the NBA today…

by Jake Appleman

*Best friends* Vince and Antawn have long been inseparable, or so they say. When they balled together at the University of North Carolina, Antawn was the good one, the award-collecting leader that always seemed to be striving to reach his potential. (Note: A Billy Packer drool cup still sits next to the Wooden and Naismith awards in his trophy case.) Unlike good guy Antawn, Vince was seen somewhat as the bad boy that didn’t appear to be doing everything he could to dominate.

When the two scorers were traded for each other on draft day ’98, it appeared that Golden State was getting the angel with the white smile that glistened – his game light and easily enjoyed without stress like a watery American beer – and Toronto was getting the unfulfilled potential, dark and rich with hops like a Chimay rouge; the raw skills one might sell their soul for. (Note: I think the need to use a beer analogy to liven up a discussion of Antawn Jamison only serves to reinforce how easy it is to overlook him.)

When the dynamic duo began their divergent NBA odysseys, it was Antawn who was barely noticed, but still ‘a nice player’ on some forgettable Golden State teams. (Riddle: If a guy averages 25 a game in Golden State in 2001, does the national media make a sound? Answer: No.) While Antawn toiled in relative obscurity, Vince blew up, aviation-loving fans and media alike swinging from his jock. Because really, what’s some inside/out, incredibly solid earth shit when you can kiss the rim? So Antawn went about his November-April business and Vince leaped tall buildings in his signature kicks in May, earning acclaim, adulation and even some short-lived next-Jordan talk .

As Vince was beginning to be seen as a malcontent for not reaching that potential in Toronto, Antawn was traded to Dallas and won the sixth man of the year award, admirably sacrificing himself for the greater good, though any true shine he could have received was dulled by a playoff exit at the hands of the Kings. He began his tenure in DC the following season and has been plying his trade in the nation’s capital ever since.

Jamison has continued to be a pillar of consistent offensive productivity for the Wizards. Tawn’s probably the only guy that you forget averaged a double double last season. Despite all that he’s given, Jamison continues to be overshadowed (contract size, media attention, etc) by a blogger that currently functions on one knee and a blossoming two way stud with a penchant for straw-munching.

During Tawn’s steady, overlooked time in DC thus far, Vince’s rep has grown and shrunk like a highly traded stock.

Maybe it’s about time we just let the controversial whipping boy do his thing in relative anonymity and focus some prolonged attention, full Wizards squad or not, on the nice guy. A little role reversal never hurt anybody.

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  • Michael

    I like Antawn, but expected him to be 10 – 15 spots lower than this

  • andrew

    Dang. I totally was waiting for canadian pig vomit. This is a pretty on-point ranking. I’m guessing Caron will be ranked higher, which I find a little strange, but this is a sound position for Tawn.

  • Mike

    Solid player with one of the cleanest hairlines in the NBA (along with D-Wade) but I dont think he should be quite this high

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Perpetually overlooked and undervalued.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Underrated guy.

  • Benoit Benjamin

    How could I ever criticize a post where you compare Vince Carter To Chimay Rouge. That’s so right on point. Nice.

  • matt the jazz fan

    there is no way gil should be ranked higher than antoine. the write up should have mentioned that he had more moves, real back-to-the-basket, make the defender jump then lay it up and under him moves than 90% (easily) of the centers in the league. i’d have ranked him around 25 or so… his offensive rebounds kill the opposition… just kill’em.

  • http://deleted Mike

    I change my mind. I jus looked at the list, and hes actually better than pretty much everyone below him (you could make an argument for a guy like Monta). Good ranking. Plus he averaged 20 and 10 and you cant argue with that

  • Mike

    Sorry didnt mean to make my name orange

  • Jake

    @Mike-Who should be higher that’s rated lower than him?The guy averaged more points and rebounds than Kevin Garnett last year,and was nearly dead even in all the other important categories…and KG will probably be rated in the top 10.He’s Chris Webber 8 years ago,minus the hype

  • Biz

    underrated indeed

  • Michael

    chris webber without the hype? jamison averages 1.7 dimes for his career, hardly has the passing skills of webber.

  • Bruno

    Tawn is great.
    one of my best basketball memory this past few years is UNC X Duke. antawns last or second last game there… guy went FREAK MODE…
    thanks god dallas didn’t take full advantage of having him in the roster, cause i hate dallas and when they got Jamison, i was scared.
    anyway, FORGET WHAT SLAM DID YESTERDAY, putting Ason as a top 30 NBA player in 2008 was just a bad joke, and Antawn ranking is fine.
    i hope he still improve his game this year… he was here in Brasil with fella Raymond Felton this summer, by the way.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com 9th wonder

    Love this pick because really I never think about the guy either. He and Caron carried that team all last year and many nights Tawn had to do his thing just so they could stay competitive in the game. The wizards did good re-signing this man.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Love Antawn. It was funny when the Duke fans would always yell and scream that ‘your mom can’t spell’ when they played. I like his game as well, nice dude apparently and he is very consistent and still capable of averaging 30+ in a playoff series. E.g. the 2007 Wizards/Cavs when Gil and Caron were both injured. He was unstoppable, but he did shoot a lot of jumpers.
    Jamison is interesting to me, because its somewhat hard for me to identify his most dominant feature. His 3? Mid range jumper? Post up game? Versatility (4 mostly, but plays the 3 and 5 sometimes), His ball handling and variety of offensive moves? Offensive rebounding?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    9th wonder- is that DP?
    Also, Michael, averaging 1.7 assists doesnt always mean the guy cant pass. If the guy he passes to cant hit a shot, its not Jamison’s fault. Also, hockey assits, a lot of the time, he can make the correct pass out of a situation but the guy who he passes to passes AGAIN and the guy who ends up with the ball is the scorer, so Jamision isnt credited with the assist, but his passing abilities arent superior either. Above average for a 4 man though, and he’s usually aware of where he is on the court and rarely looks lost offensively.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com 9th wonder

    DP has the flu. I’m taking over for the time being.

  • http://slamonline My opinion matters

    Antawn has the most ugliest productive game I have ever seen in my life. I’m am a wizard fan and I wanted him traded just because I was tired of seeing his ugly game, but the guy can hoop nonetheless. Definitely an accurate ranking..Caron is better though just off his defense intensity alone. Antawn did change my views on him a couple years back when we played cleveland and Caron and Gilly were hurt. He put up monster stats…even though we got swept, but it should me his heart. His problem is that he plays no d but 99% of players in the league have the same problem

  • Michael

    Hursty, that is all fine to say, but 8 years ago webber threw up a lazy 27/11/4 and has had years when he has averaged well over 5 dimes. I am not saying jamison cant pass but say he is a good as webber in his prime is ridiculous.

  • http://hoops4life.com overtime

    One of the best players in the league,always has been. The wizards would crumble without him

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Good spot for Mr. Jamison.

  • http://slamonline My opinion matters

    Oh yeah…Webber in his prime…there is no comparison between those two…Webber was an MVP candidate type player in his prime..Tawn…not so much

  • scott

    Well I really nailed the rest of the list. I would replace Arenas with Butler but this list was probably made well before the news of Agent zero’s latest injury. So Gilbert has got to be on it.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Webber in his prime was a great player no doubt. Im only saying that an assist is not the ‘be-all-and-end-all’ to measure a guys ability to pass the rock around. Webber was a better passer *duh* than Jamison, no contest, but what does he have to do with Jamison in the first place? Position?
    co-sign Eboy.
    @DP/9th Wonder- if DP is sick, does that mean that he is jeopardising his Varsity spot? Look at his injuries the past few weeks: busted ankle, flu. DP needs to get better to hold down that roster spot.

  • http://slamonline My opinion matters

    Just something I noticed on the sidebar…in slamonlines last rankings Tawn was number 40 so does this mean Tawn is getting better or the quality of players getting worse…just a thought

  • scott

    Whoever compared Jamison to Garnett. KG plays a litte thing called defense. Jamison isn’t really interested in that.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Gil should be top 15 easily. When healthy he can be top 5 on any given week, as well as being a consistent top 10 performer.

  • http://slamonline My opinion matters

    @Hursty…Agree with you 100% on the Gil comment but will he ever be healthy again…Grant hill, Anfernee hardaway,it’s happened to the best on them

  • scott

    All these surgeries for Arenas. I don’t know I feel like the guy is never going to be the same. Hope I’m wrong.

  • GOAT

    I thought Vince’s wife and Antawn’s wife were sisters???

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    He still has that passion to come back and hes only 26 (same as Wade) so his body is young and more capable of returning to the healthy state it was in pre-injuries.
    Drew Cleary needs to have some help on the Wizards there. He + te other trainers dont seem to be able to control Arenas.
    Problem is though, Penny and Hill were around that 25-29 age when they were having their injuries. A healthy Grant Hill would have meant Tmac woulda been outta the 1st round a long time ago.

  • fluxland

    That picture is …. creepy.

  • GOAT

    Oh yeah, nice write-up Jake, albeit it was a bit short and lacking stats or actual details about his game. But anytime Wince Harder gets brought down to Earth is gravy in my books.

    Hopefully the top 20 will get more in-depth and lengthy articles.

  • Nikos Zisis

    good place for Jamison, a generally undervalued player(he cannot play “D” though..). Don’t get me started with Webber..for those who remember him entering college and the talent that he had…simply put: if he had Kobe’s mentality he would have been the best power forward ever.that was also Don Nelson’s opinion on him after their first year in Golden State (and they had some problems if you remember…)

  • scott

    Yes and a healthy Penny meant we would have been blessed with Lil Penny for a much longer time.

  • fluxland

    He married her but I thought he divorced her as well.

  • MSkittle

    Good call with this one. He is right around #29

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Terrible,i would take Redd over Jamison 25picks ago

  • Exile

    Solid.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Thats because your a galoot James.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    25-30 was the correct position I think. Redd should have been higher I feel, but thats ridiculous.

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    good pic for a solid player. sup hurst, you hmb with them dates yet?shoot me an email bout it when you know k

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    And with this, the list has officially failed beyond all possible levels.

  • http://slamonline.com ctkennedy

    if jamison 29 than melo is number one

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Explain Jukai? One moment MBW.

  • Bo Diddly

    I love Antawn but don’t think I would take him over Gasol…or Josh Smith possibly. Tayshaun? I’d like a bit more defensive intensity from AJ.

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    yes Jukai, elaborate to us before you risk banning

  • scott

    Perhaps he is outraged because Jamison is ahead of Kidd.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    I went back and checked the list to see who I would take over Jamison. I came up with: Jason Kidd, Pau Gasol, Andre Iguadala, Al Jefferson, Rasheed Wallace, Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Josh Howard, Lamar Odom, Richard Hamilton, Ron Artest, Jermaine O’Neal, Michael Redd, David West, Tayshaun Prince, Monta Ellis, Josh Smith, Marcus Camby, Kevin Martin, and Kevin Durant.
    And I’m not even going to delve into this, I can’t believe the zombies here are agreeing with this but Jason Kidd one step away from this was a tragedy.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Zombies??? I like that. “Uhhhhh, urghhhhh, uuuurrrrrrrrr, arooooorrrrrrr, uuuhhuhuuuuuu”

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    i would agree with you entirely, except for wince, LO, Pau,KD and Michael Redd. but maybe thats just me showing dislike to individuals

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    and were not zombies, we prefer the term ‘bogan australians’

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    So there was one player who you wouldn’t have above Jamison? Who would that be? because you listed 20.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    I’d take Pau,Jefferson and maybe Kidd over Jamison.Maybe.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    I resent that stereotype MBW. I prefer the term um, well actually that about sums you and me up pretty good dude. Nice job.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Jukai = charley rosen. It all makes sense now.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Elaborate? Really? How about how the guy can’t pass, is a bad defensive player for his position (DON’T TRY TO ARGUE THIS, HE IS THE CAVS BITCH EVERY SEASON), can’t lead a team, after GSW has mostly played the second or third string whereever he goes, can’t dominate, never has shot above 50%, mostly scores below 20 points a game his career unless he’s the only damn guy shooting, disappears so often that he’d make Rasheed blush, disappears period come playoff time ENTIRELY (except for two years ago where he was told to “shoot shoot shoot shot” and his team “lost lost lost lost”), has only been an all-star twice, and only when his teammates are injured, has been on underachieving teams every year (not entirely his fault, but he deserves as much of the blame as anyone), and guess what… he’s not getting any younger! There is no upside! I’m not even letting you guys use that argument! He can score (only in bunches, not throughout the entire game) and he’s suddenly found the knack to rebound because his entire team is freaking short, and suddenly he’s 29 on the list? Are you kidding me?

  • http://ngunioamosotho.com Nguni

    jamison is one of the few 20-10 double double guys in the league. how does that not warrant a top 30 ranking, defense or not? This is on point.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Oh, wow. Let’s all have a moment of silence for Bryan’s braincells.

  • Michael

    I tend to agree with Jukai, Jamison is a complementary type player, like I said before somewhere in the 40 – 50 bracket sounds right.

  • http://slamonline.com My opinion matters

    @Jukai…I don’t have the time to make a case for every person on your list as to why they are not better then Tawn but in short the only person on there I would let you slide with is Ron Artest…don’t let me even get started with Pau, Odom, and Vince….Kevin Durant…please, when he his shoot percentage up and he is productive over several seasons (which I think he will be by the way) then you can talk about him

  • scott

    Jukai you should post your top 30 list.

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    “except for two years ago where he was told to “shoot shoot shoot shot” and his team “lost lost lost lost’. LMAO

    thankyou for elaborating Jukai, but i’d still have him over Pau & LO anyday

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I just ate an old man that was walking by in the hallway. Zombieness RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Bo Diddly

    Who else grabs rebounds for Washington??! I’m with Jukai on this. Too high for Antawn (as I already said!), but he seems a cool dude,,,unlike Jukai…kidding!

  • scott

    Just for the record when this list is done in another two years or whatever Durant will be top 15 easily.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Right, because Antawn’s shooting percentage is really his strong point

  • big nigga

    wow, i didn’t expect him 2 be this high over players like ray allen and rasheed wallace
    he’s a good player but he doesn’t play a lot of d

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    I miss the Eboy who would actually try to talk about basketball. I think the whole Heat preseason nonsense has killed his will-power.

  • scott

    @jukai still waiting for list.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Hold on, I’m about to chase down this little kid who must be lost. Submit to my Zombie ways!!!!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Oh Jukai, you little fu*ker. I don’t feel like arguing every morning with each selection that pops up. It’s SLAM’s list, not ours. You have a list, other commenters have put up their own, so have at it. Besides, this really won’t take on much useful discussion until the top 10. If I remember correctly, yesterday’s subject turned into a Rockets discussion for most of the day, so I don’t see how THAT was on point, but whatever.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Wait, hes the CAVS(!) bitch? WHEN? The Cavs PF’s contribute about 10 points a game. Ben Wallace left wide open from 5 feet couldn’t hit a barn wall. Varejao is not exactly a proficient offensive player, LeBron always plays out on the perimeter and runs the offense while Caron guards him. So what if the dude isnt a good defensive player? Only 2 or 3 players listed above him RIGHT NOW are good/very good at that end of the court. I dont disagree with your other points, but I dont agree either. To say that he is the Cavs ‘b*tch’ is just crazy talk though.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    My brain cells huh? Take that sh*t to foxsports . You sound just like the motherf*cker you complain about every player on the list you say outlandish opinion based things about players and come off like a pretentious jackass who doesn’t know what the f*ck he’s talking about. Your schtick gets a little old after three weeks of hearing you piss and moan about every player in the nba…please jukai enlighten us tell us who if anybody is a good nba player? Who would make your team ? That’s all we need to know and this list can be dismantled.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Scott: I can’t give you a thirty list cause a bunch of the players who were in my 30 list have already come up. Are you asking me to think of 30 players NOT COUNTING the ones that have been taken alraedy?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And if I wanted a solid SF combo, Antwan would be in my top 5. I’d rather have him than Shawn Marion but not quite as much as I would Caron.

  • scott

    I can feel the love.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    I actually wouldnt mind some E-beef in the coming days though (not today, its too late here). Oh, and for E- Go rockets! ;)

  • scott

    @jukai…You can use whoever you want. The players that you think are the top 30 right now.

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    @eboy: rockets or australia
    @Bryan: vicious man!

  • scott

    What time is it down under?

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Bryan: What’s wrong, need a tissue because I insulted you? Lemme wipe away those tears, give you a bandaid and call you a big boy. Right or wrong, I at least give my opinion on things (which I did). I don’t believe you have ever mentioned anything about basketball on this website save about how good Kobe’s manhood feels in your hands. So go play in the sandbox, alright? Big kids are talking.

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    and zombies

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    12:06 in the mofo AM

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Hursty: well, originally he tried to guard Lebron, and that didn’t work out very well, so then he tried to guard Gooden, and made him look like an offensive power house. The dude was afraid to leave the paint and Gooden was dropping 15-20 footers all day long. During this year’s playoffs, he was the cause of Joe Smith averaging double figures. Yes, THIS year he did pretty well guarding score-first juggernauts like Wallace and Joe Smith.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    “I don’t believe you have ever mentioned anything about basketball on this website save about how good Kobe’s manhood feels in your hands.” Oh my GOD, I just about died!!!!!!!! Jukai, you are a fool!

    Shia, you HAVE to respond, no?

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    *double figures in two Washington games

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    He’ll respond, it will be lacking as much thought as all his responses.

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    an Indiana Jones sized response at that!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Bit past 12am scott. Love of the game dude. Besides, Im on holidays.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Question: Lebron James is a limited on-the ball-defender and has not proven to be elite in any defensive category at this point of his career. Would you not take Lebron on your squad because of this?

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    eboy, id rather larry hughes

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Question: Steve Nash is a no-nonsene, non-defender? Would that stop you from putting him on your squad if it was a choice between him and lets say…….defensive PG stalwart, Anthony Carter?

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    You didn’t insult me you aggravate me because you have NO idea what you’re talking about. And your personal attacks don’t bother me because they’re rooted in the same logic as your basketball opinions. You’re just one of those assh*les who looks for something to b*tch about everyday cause you’re real life sucks.

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    ^ just so i could see Jukai’s response

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Question: Paul Gasol is an invisible presence in any defensive formation. Would you rather put him in your lineup or someone of the caliber of Francisco Elson, a more pertinent defender?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Eboy can I answer to ‘no’ to both questions? Or was it just one of those ‘its a rhetorical question dumba$s’ type things?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Pretty good response from the representative from Panama City.

  • http://Spaceshipj61404gmail.com Spaceship Jay

    Yikes!!! This is hilarious. Such passion.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Answer however you’d like Hursty. I’m trying to make a point.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    @Bryan: Great response, very heartfelt, looks like you put a lot of effort into it, gold star. Now back into the sandbox so I can keep speaking to the adults.
    @Eboy: Defense wasn’t my only qualm with Antawn. You did read what I wrote, didn’t you? Besides, Lebron is a WAY BETTER defender than Antawn. WAY WAY better. Lebron doesn’t put nearly enough energy into defense as he should, but at the end of games he has been known to lock down defenders one-on-one, something Antawn never does (he never really does anything at the end of the game though). Straying from one-on-one defense, Lebron plays the passing lanes cause of his court vision as well as anyone, and can block a shot or two if he exerts himself. Antawn is as good of a shot blocker as Nash is.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    See, you should probably bring up people who aren’t superior to ‘tawn if you want a good argument. Gasol and Antawn are on even ground when it comes to disappearing in the post season and lackluster defense, but Gasol is a superior offensive force, will actually pass the ball, and just the fact that he’s a large body in the paint means he does more on defense than Antawn, who sees who he is defending then stays at the opposite side of the court. Nash is a terrible defender but at least will draw a charge. Antawn likes to try and draw charges and get blocking fouls.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Ah,the internet tough-guy.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Six foot nine with a career average of .3 blocks a game. This guy is a warrior!!!!!!

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Izzo, would you like to join in on the acutal debate or just make dumb comments like you’re used to?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    I didnt want to say this, but Jukai, it almost always seems like you just dump sh8t on people constantly, when really, theres not that much need for it.
    Ok, he’s not a perfect player, and this list was probably not as well constructed as you (and many others) would like it to be.
    But dude, seriously, just suck it up. Be positive for a change. Maybe you won’t argue so much about things. Its 5-20 peoples opinions on what is a very, very subjective matter, Let it be man.
    Just take a step back for a minute and think about what Jamison DOES do well and brings to the table, rather than focus on what he can’t/won’t is unable to do. That would be nice. Thanks.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Jukai, you did reference Twan’s D more than once though, which leads me to believe that is your biggest hang-up about the dude, so how do guy’s like Ellis, Durant, Odom and Redd make your list of players that should be before him since they play about as much D as a wayward zombie.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Funny story: I just looked at Antawn’s stats and I was going down the steals’ column and I said “huh… he’s had a couple of two steal seasons, mostly around 1.5… he’s better than I thought.” Then I realized I was looking at the assist column. Haha!

  • fluxland

    Quick question for the Down Under gents… do you guys get League Pass over there? What kind of coverage on TV do you get. I’m just asking because it seem you have all seen 1000s of game to make the points you . Also, either of you swim fans? I’d love to live in a country where it’s a high profile sport.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Eboy: It’s not, it’s more that he’s an overrated offensive force that scores in bunches and disappears when the game is on the line. He also can’t lead a team for crap. That’s my biggest draw right now. I’ve never seen him take his team on his back and win.
    Hursty: Why am I being blamed for this? Bryan went after me, Eboy is rooting him on and trying to instigate this. I’m arguing my basketball opinion here. No one has really tried to debate it at all.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Hursty: I take that back, Eboy is actually talkin’ basketball with me. He’s got some game smarts in him.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Jukai the charley rosen of slamonline. The guy who can’t defend his basketball opinions so he resorts to “sandbox” comments. Jamison only rebounds because nobody else does huh? So Dwight Howard has rebounding help on his team? I’d say Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood are better rebounders than Hedo and Rashard but what do I know right? I know how to make sandcastles apparently listen to Jukai he’s the expert on everything and everyone that sucks. That’s one thing I can agree with.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    In fairness, I loved Jukai’s Kobe manhood in hand line, so I’m an equal opportunity rooter.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    What debate?Ok here it goes,Bryan-you are stupid,Eboy-you are stupid,Hursty-you are stupid,Money Bill-you are stupid,SLAMonline-how dare you even think about offering up a top fifty list based on peoples opinions?How dare you do a top 50(though I would have complained have you not.How dare you do this on a website which I could easily not visit if I dislike it so much,World-how dare you even think about disagreeing with me?
    -
    Seems like my awesomeness has wore off.

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    This is the first time i agree with Slam ranking…29 for jamison.

  • fluxland

    err..points you make, that is.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And people wonder why we do this for free….

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And Shia brings up a good point using the Magic as an example. I’ll goto it agian. I’d rather have Twan’s all around offensive game on my team’s roster than a guy like Marion. And in fairness, maybe the dude isn’t the one to LEAD a team, but just chooses to be a complimentary piece to a young, up and coming squad (the Wiz) or if he was moved to a veteran contender where his skill set could put a team over the top with his addition(ex: the Spurs) his value would rise meteorically.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Bryan: Finally, a basketball argument! I DO agree that Howard’s rebounding numbers are blown up cause of lack of help! Yet, the dude averaged 14 rebounds during the season and 15 in the playoffs. Let’s not turing Caron and Haywood into pro rebounders either: Haywood is seven feet and yet averages what, seven rebounds a game? A seven footer, for chrissakes! The guy has no mobility so if it goes anywhere past under the basket, he’s not getting it. Caron Butler is a very craft rebounder with good positioning, but the dude is 6’6, he’s not sky jumping past larger players. Those numbers are blown, Bryan.
    Thanks for ACTUALLY talking basketball though. Nice to know you watch games.

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    damn…

  • fluxland

    I’m not part of this or taking sides… but Bryan, you do instigate, that I’ve noticed anyway.. so when someone comes at you, don’t be surprised. Then again what do I know.. I’m just “one of those assh*les who looks for something to b*tch about everyday cause my real life sucks.” And I don’t know what I’m talking about

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Eboy: is this a list of skill or who would you rather want on your team? Skillwise, Marion. Person I’d rather want on my team, uh, someone who wont take the most shots and have the most money but demand more every season. Jamison. I’m not saying the dude doesn’t belong on the list, but c’mon, high 40s please.
    Izzo is stupid. For real.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    ^ Well, at least flux is a realist. :)

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    @Flux- We can get league pass (but you have to get it on the computer, since foxtel rarely knows what it is doing with League Pass). We can also get 2/3 games on ESPN a week. I LOVE hoops though, so I usually watch all the game highlights and analysis’s and read game recaps on nba.com and espn as well.
    Also, there are lots of web sites which you can watch the games off from their local stations on tv as they stream it via the internet.
    On tv though, normally there is not hoops AT ALL on free to air. You have to pay for every thing you get of nba coverage here (which sucks obviously).

  • B. Long

    Triumph the insult dog is on his grizzy this morning.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Flux, it’s a joke. The guy always runs his mouth and now he’s crying and people are saying I’m being the internet tough guy? I guess it’s cause I called the SLAM list a “failure” but everyone and their mother was doing that yesterday with Jason Kidd.
    I’m totally the Bruce Bowen of this board.

  • KA

    definitely some guys lower Id pick higher but just goes to show how quite this guys been doing his bisnazz. not a true pf, needs to play with a good centre. also, as a mav he’d kill ur team on NBA live.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I don’t know Jukai, what is the list based on? We don’t know exactly. Myles said he had a criteria he worked off of, I’m sure the other guys and girls (hi Holly) used their own criteria for picking dudes, so in actuality, who knows what we should be arguing over when it comes to the selection process. It’s a list gathered by at least 10 (?) different writers all working independently of each other. It would be hard to have it concise and to the general standard of the casual and not so casual ball fan.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Oh, and fu*k swimming, massive overkill here, most people cant stand watching it. Eg. we got to watch breaststroke heats in the olympics over USA vs. someone. lame.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And Jukai, I wouldn’t call you the Bruce Bowen of these boards, you’d be more like Danny Ferry.

  • fluxland

    @Hursty – thanks dude!
    @Eboy – self awareness is my strongest trait. Or so I’ve been told :)
    @Jukai – hey, I’m entertained!
    @Myles – and why you make the lists at all. It’s like fuel to fire. Good times.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Eboy: Didn’t you yell at me when I mentioned that and said I’d rather see those ten writers list instead of one averaged list?

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    and by “yell” I mean, call me a little f*cker and make a smiley face.
    Also, am I Danny Ferry cause I’m white?

  • http://Spaceshipj61404gmail.com Spaceship Jay

    Bruce Bowen? Uh-Oh…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    No, I don’t think so. How am I supposed to remember ONE little outburst…..jeez Jukai! :) Or maybe I did. Either way, it’s just a list. It’s not the Bush Doctrine or something useless like that.

  • fluxland

    @Hursty – yeah that would have sucked, but that’s better then here, every 4 years and some minor NCAA stuff every year.

  • http://Spaceshipj61404gmail.com Spaceship Jay

    Yes, tell us why he is Danny Ferry instead. of Bruce Bowen, I’m curious

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    So much argument about who’s the number 29 player in the NBA?Don’t get it.

  • scott

    Taking a timeout from all the fun it is interesting to see who has had the best careers from the 98 draft.
    1. Dirk Nowitzki
    2. Paul Pierce
    3. Antawn Jamison
    4. Vince Carter
    5. Rashard Lewis

    231. The Khandi Man

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Izzo, sorry, I thought this was a basketball website. I didn’t realize it was a “post something sarcastic and smug” website. I’ll try harder next time.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Scott: I’d say Vince Carter had a better career. Just not a good ‘now.’

  • scott

    It is close but I would give the slight edge to Jamison but then again my extreme dislike for the whole Vince Carter and Toronto experiment clouds my thoughts.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Oh yeh, and the occassional college game (once or twice every week) Im really hoping for a UCONN game (or 100) so I can watch Ater Majok play (I know that dude!! OMG). The frosh pointguard is ok too apparently (top 10 player in his class).
    Then theres always the youtube clips you can find of highlights, but I’d prefer to see the quarters of games that get loaded one by one.
    Even though the games arent of a great standard, I get to watch the full Summer League games for free, so I always do.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Sh*t,I thought it was a ‘insult everyone personally and think your opinion is waay more important than it is’ website.Since you want to talk about basketball so much (which you don’t,you wait for someone to post something you disagree with and then insult them,because it is a crime to have a differing opinion to yours),why is this such a bad pick,keeping in mind that there will be much worse defenders ranked much higher.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Call me an instigator all you want, I’m sick of hearing this guy b*tch everyday. “He doesn’t rebound” well he gets ten a game. “He only scores in bunches” well he averaged 21 a game. I mean jeez he only scores and rebounds that doesn’t count for anything in the nba. As far as not keeping it basketball related well I didn’t resort to the oh so clever sexuality joke that every guy in the world resorts to when he has nothing to back himself up. “You disagree? F*g” that’s brain power right there. Then when I finally make a basketball arguement to his highness’ liking I get a rebuff that makes no sense..so Howard gets 14 a game, Jamison gets 10. Caron gets nearly 7 to Shards 5 point something. Haywood gets 7 point something to Hedos 5 point something. So the two extra rebounds afforded to the guys playing with Jamison could easly go to Jamison himself. So basically your arguement is that someone on the team is gonna get the rebound. Nice I’m glad I see it your way.

  • fluxland

    That’s not bad at all, Hursty. In comparison, while growing up in Europe, we had to wait for Friday or weekend night until 4 A.M. to get some game that was 2 months old and on some VHS (probably BETA) tape. And it was like one game a month I swear. Kids don’t know how good they have it with the net today.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    aww what the heck- KOBE BRYANT! (Just for kicks, somehow he hasnt been mentioned yet in this thread). Peace, Hursty out.

  • scott

    Big East is loaded Louisville, Connecticut, Notre Dame and Pittsburgh should all be top ten teams. Plus you have Marquette, Georgetown, Villanova, Syracuse and West Virginia all possible top 25 teams. Majok never heard of him enlighten me.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Can I put a formal request in to Ben, Ryne, whoever and to put away the Top 50 list for another couple of years? TOO MUCH DRAMAMINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://Spaceshipj61404gmail.com Spaceship Jay

    Eboy, elaboration on Jukai/Danny Ferry comparison please?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Yeh, good point flux. At least hoops is played to a high standard in EUR though, here the National League is in some deep sh8t and bball is a 3rd tier sport. Out for good now. Play nice kiddies :)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Hursty:You think YOUR league is bad.

  • scott

    Danny Ferry sucks

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Jay, my long response to your question vanished in the horrors of WordPress. Sorry.

  • fluxland

    Bryan, I hear ya. He has his good days and his bad days. We all do. Eboy and I both addressed the list issue, even last week, but what are you gonna do. That’s the whole point.. get people talking. Not much of a point to it if everyone types: Agree. SLAM rocks. Also, I do know what you mean about his arguments, I’ve had a few encounters where the script is flipped in the middle of if, or it makes no sense to me… but hey, I dunno what logic he follows or how he got there. Whatever. I make points and say things on here that make people want to reach thru the screen and punch me (Hi, Russ) cuz they don’t get what I am saying while it makes perfect sense to me. Can’t say that someone doesn’t know what they are talking about just because the have a different perspective, set of criteria, core beliefs, what have you. Disagree with them, sure… but that doesn’t make them an anal cavity or unhappy with their life. (I know we/they come across that way.. but it doesn’t mean that’s what’s going on) I agree about the rebounding thing, btw but I see his D point as well.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    scott- 6’10 (6’11 with shoes) and a 7’5 wingspan. Sudanese, Australian. We have the same coach. Very athletic, solid ball handler and medium range/outside shooter. Very aggressive down low, good movement laterally and is a great shot blocker. Hes 20 right now. Going to be a freshman this year. Ranked top 10 as a college prospect PF last year and played in the Kentucky All-Star game. Now ranked something like 3rd PF in college without having played a game. He only started playing at age 16 as well. Sky’s the limit for the kid and is a real nice dude to boot. Chose Uconn because Thabeet is going to be there so that means Ater can play the 4 (his natural position) while playing some 3 as well. But most of his minutes while Thabeet is off the floor will be at 5. Also, another major reason was the frosh point guard coming around this year, big guys need good guards to play to their potential most of the time.

  • fluxland

    Eboy – put away the list? Are you kidding? Have you seen the comment count? GOLD, Jerry, GOLD!! I bet Ben and Ryne are sitting there with smiles on their faces, feet on desks… enjoying a nice cold Gatorade(R)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I agree, flux, but the constant bickering over one postion placements on the list…..oh, who am I kidding, it’s just a list.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    List schmist Eboy. Lists are cool. They (like Flux said) generate comments and interest, as well as more commenters, which I assume, they hope=more magazine sales. Wow its now 1:18am here. Out for GOOD now. Keep arguing please, it makes for interesting reading in the morning.

  • NappySupreme

    Jamison is definitely worthy of his place on this list. when can we expect him to finally get a slam cover?

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Great, my boss yells at me for not doing any work and that’s exactly when they come out of the woodwork. Fannnnnnnntastic.
    @Izzo: Why don’t you read the whole damn comment section instead of blindly typing, mmkay? Read my 9:47am comment where I expressed literally every single reason why I don’t think Jamison should be that high. Afterwards, stick your hands in a blender so you don’t have to write me the apology.
    @Bryan: First off, the Orlando Magic as a team get more rebounds than the Washington Wizards. Secondly, I never said Dwight Howard was this GURU of rebounding: his size, his position on the team, the rest of his team’s need to stay in the perimeter, these all give Howard the advantage he needs to rebound over everyone else. Likewise, out of all active players, Jamison is the SECOND TALLEST ON THE TEAM. The only other taller player with any sort of minutes, Haywood, has the mobility of a walrus and can’t grab the rebounds if they stray too far away from him. Why has this TEN YEAR VET never averaged even close to that rebounding number before? You think it’s just because he came onto his own, or is it because he’s on a team where he can be the dominant rebounder simply because no one else can? Also, he only scores in bunches, he DISAPPEARS in the middle of games. Yes, he averaged 21 points. Vince averaged 21 too. Do you think Vince was scoring every quarter, everytime up the floor? Not to mention, both of them are totally silent in the fourth quarter and playoff time. While I’ll give Jamison credit for pulling twelve rebounds a game during their first round exit, his 16 points on 40/28/57 pretty much paint a picture of how much the guy stepped up.
    @Flux: to my knowledge, I’ve only argued with you once, and that was on the logo issue. To my knowledge, my argument was constant throughout the debate. To my knowledge, you were arguing with just about everyone.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Jukai has alot of knowledge.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Anywayyyy, lunch time. Feel free to continue to argue about whether we should be arguing or not guys.

  • http://Spaceshipj61404gmail.com Spaceship Jay

    Dammit.

  • fluxland

    @Jukai.. you have a shorter memory then I, Sir. You’ve discussed with me several other issues in prior years and over time (unless, I am confusing you with someone else but I highly doubt that), and the logo issue was not even a discussion, it was more of a name-calling, I’ve got the better insult sparring session. It may appear I argue with just about anyone, but that is the only thing you choose to see.. because I do agree with people as well. Again, you memory is selective or focused on one thing only. Also, I would rather what you call “argue” and I like to call discuss something with everyone and be remembered for that, then be the guy everyone remembers for ending every point with a one-liner or insult most of the time. Cuz trust me that’s all they remember. But, hey, don’t let me knock your hustle and style, playa. You do you and your thing.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Against my better judgement, I will throw my two cents into the fray: For a guy who has played out of position for pretty much his whole career, he has done quite well. Yes, Jamison is a “3″ who has played the “4″ because he can. In pretty much 90% of the teams in the league, Antwan would be playing SF and, in my opinion, would probably be a perennial All Star. On a nightly basis Jamison is playing against bigger and stronger players and holding his own. He has probably the quickest release in the league and has seasmlessly blended into any lineup and team he has been on. He is a quiet leader with his play and has missed minimal time due to injury. He has range out to 3 point range and gets to the line consistently. Now, I may move up a few players on the list over him: Pau, Kidd, and maybe Vince, but that is about it.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    TAD, I think Jamison is only successful because he is a tweener. I don’t think he has the ball handling skills or defense to play at the 3 all the time. Yet, he can dominate other threes on the glass and give them fits in the post. With fours, he doesn’t have the body to bang night in and night out, but he can stretch the floor and use his quickness to make them work. I’m not so sure Jamison would have dominated if he’d played the 3 everynight. I think his unique skills make him suited to being a mismatch player as opposed to a player confined to a single role every night.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    TAD:You f*cking mindless zombie,that’s what they want you to think.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    This is a terrible pick… i agree fully with Jukai. Jamison, i feel, would be lucky to get a spot between 45-50

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Allen: Good points.
    Izzo: I feel like one every morning before my coffee, thats for sure.

  • John D

    [Mase] wowwwwwww [/Mase]

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    As I see Izzo still posting, I see he has denied my request. Wonderful.
    Allenp, you are totally and wholeheartedly correct.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    Too much e-beefing going on. This is a good slot for a guy who is averaging 20 and 10 a game.

  • NBK

    Whether or not Jamison is as good as he is advertised to be, considering the people on this list that were previously named I think Jamison is in the right spot. Or area but other than that Jamison is not as good as he is made out to be

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Jamison plays the 3 and the 4 simultaneously on offense depending on whos guarding him. He’ll take a Boozer down low and punish a Manu inside. It really doesn’t matter what he plays on D since he doesn’t defend. Caron is essentially doing the same thing on O while being able to guard posts and wings on D. That’s why he’s better. 29 is still cool for Jamison. And Jukai, don’t get too worked up it’s just a list. That’s all it is. It gives us something to do before the start of the season.

  • NBK

    AllenP you are completely right about him being a tweener without the skills to be classified as a single position player but that is also what makes him as good as he is, his ability to contribute around 16-20 PPG (whether they are in spurts or not) and his ability to grab 7-10 Reb make his mismatch abilities hell for other coaches to gameplan around. I mean think about it you have to put your best perimeter defenders of caron and Gilbert, meaning a big has to gaurd Antawn on the wing. And if a little man does line up against Jamison then he will take him on the block and destroy him. Thats why he is where he is on this list because he is a tweener that uses his advantages very well and hides his disadvantages enough to make all star teams

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Jukai:I had read your 9:47 post before I posted that.Your only argument that holds some water is his defensive frailties.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com 9th wonder

    Yeah, his defense isn’t that sharp and I like him better at the three than the four.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Izzo, I like that response a lot better. I think three things that get to me is his lack of leadership ability (while he’s always been listed as captain, on the floor it is Gilbert or Caron who is calling the plays. He’s a good complimentary player who can take orders and never bark back, but if you’re in the top 30, I think you should have some leadership skills), his lack of any sort of passing (he’s pretty bad at it), and the fact that he never comes up clutch. Back when he was in Golden State, Antawn would take over games and drop 50 to win, if he had to. Now he wont ever take the shot, even if he’s in the best position for it. Those three are much bigger to me than his defense.
    I’m taking you either disagree with their importance or you believe they aren’t flaws in Jamison’s game?

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    According to People magazine, Baron Davis is on Jenny Craig, and is one of their newest spokesmen. In case y’all cared.

  • NBK

    To say Jamison doesn’t have leadership skills you would really need to be someone who has either played on his team or been around when he could show those skills off. I garauntee you he is the leader of that team in the locker room

  • NBK

    Oh and passing ability, what in the world makes you say he is a bad enough passer to make him that much worse of a player, never once has he been asked to create offense for the other guys on his team so his passing abilities should be the least of your worries

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Jukai:
    (1)I do disagree of the importance of the leadership factor,1)because he could very well be a great lockeroom leader.We don’t know and I don’t it even matters that much.I mean there will be likely be players in the top 10 that aren’t good leaders(Dwight Howard).
    (2)The ‘clutch’ factor is a difficult one,because he has shown signs of clutchness(word) in the past,and while I agree he didn’t show much clutch-osity(I know) last year,I think there’s a good reason for this.At any given night,Antawn could either be the most important,second most important or third on the team and when healthy,Gil will always take the shot regardless of his performance in that game and considering Butler had a great season last year,was the second most important throughout last season.Although his stats suggest that he did step up last year.In summary,I would have had him around #32,but this isn’t exactly a travesty.

  • NBK

    ^^fa sho

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I just noticed that Jamison was number 40 last year. That’s a pretty nice jump for him.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Izzo:
    1) Howard was credited heavily for his on court leadership last year. Leadership, I think, is a major facet for me. It’s what separates the greatness of Shawn Marion from the greatness of Lebron James. We don’t know if he’s a great lockerroom leader, but I haven’t really heard anything on the subject. Any links or citations otherwise would be DEFFINITELY noted.
    2) It’s more than just last year, he hasn’t shown he has been clutch anywhere in the past five or so years. I agree, it’s certainly unfair to say there isn’t pressure for him NOT to take the shot with Gilbert and Butler there… but in last year’s playoffs, Gilbert was tossing brick after brick in the fourth quarter, and a good leader would have demanded Gilbert to cut the crap and give him the ball. Jamison stayed silent and watched sadly as Gilbert tossed up bricks in games one and two. I hold this against him.
    I guess the problem is that a lot of people are telling me what he is CAPABLE of, instead of what he actually showed. I have not acknowledged one thing: that while Caron and Gilbert have pretty much negated him in terms of ball handling and on-court leadership and clutchness, Jamison hasn’t just taken that role nicely, but altered his game (taking more garbage shots, focusing on rebounding) around the more dominant personalities on his team. That’s certainly a plus I have far overlooked. Still… over Jason Kidd and Ron Artest? I don’t know if I can buy that.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Another problem I have (no one make a pun out of that) is that a team that didn’t look like they had a chance to get past the first round of the playoffs is (PROBABLY) going to have three players in the SLAMonline Top 30. That seems sort of off to me. Not even the Celtics have that.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson
  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    I have a link in moderation re: Jamison’s leadership role. It’s a WaPo column by Sally Jenkins.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    It reads, in part: “Jamison is not the Wizards’s biggest scorer, nor is he their boldest personality. That would be Gilbert Arenas. Which demonstrates that, contrary to some popular assumptions, the most charismatic person in the room is not always the best leader. Jamison’s chief attribute is not charisma but something more indefinable; it’s authority. He’s a guy who brings a solid 19 points and eight rebounds a game, night in and night out, who is more sound than brilliant, and who doesn’t always have the ball in his hands. Yet when he is on the floor, his teammates do something that they seem unable to do without him: They believe.” But I’m sure she doesn’t know anything.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Jukai does have a point. The Wiz are one those teams that can’t warrant too many indivual accolades since as a whole they’re pretty average. Kinda like how Camby didnt make the all star team with Denver because that would have been 3 guys from a so-so team.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    The Wiz have a severe talent dropoff after their big three and two of their three best players are horrible on defense. I think that it would be a travesty if Caron Butler and Gilbert Arenas weren’t considered two of the 30 best players in the league. Now, we can quibble about whether Jamison belongs in this spot, but I don’t think most of us believe he should be THAT much lower. So, I don’t really have a problem with a mediocre team like Washington have three players in the top 30, sometimes great parts don’t make a great team. It happens.

  • scott

    This is coming from leftfield but David West was #44? How is this guy still off the radar. I do believe West made All-NBA last year and do you think New Orleans would trade West for Jamison straight up? Thanks for the info Hursty. I’m excited to see Majok this fall.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    And I know every team has a severe talent dropoff after their top players, but I think Washington’s dropoff in the front court is particularly egregious. Outside of Haywood they really don’t have a serviceable defender or rebounder on the entire team. That spells disaster in the NBA playoffs.

  • scott

    Denver is going to have two players probably in the top 25 and yet they will be lucky to win 35 games this year. Most people feel Miami still stinks and they too will have two in the top 20. However, I do believe Miami will be a playoff team.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    more anger in here than a pro-obama piece on AOL. David West is a younger player with more potential, and in 5 years from now, will be better, but as of now, Antawn is the more valuble of the 2.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Thanks for the link Russ, but was that last line really needed? Why do you have to be an internet bully?

  • scott

    You really think New Orleans deals West for Jamison?

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    That’s an interesting piece Russ. While I think it describes Antawn as more of a role model to the team than a leader, it was interesting to read about the massive, unexpected drop when Jamison was injured. Thank you for honestly rebuttaling in a serious way instead of claiming I was this terrible, insulting person who HAD to be dealt with.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Great part of the article:
    (Real leadership experts also understand that qualities often preached as leader-ly, such as perseverance, determination, singlemindedness of purpose, and charisma, can actually result in poor leadership. “Those sound like good traits when good things happen,” Allen says. “They can also lead people to a very bad place. We know people with those traits have led us into situations that were not good outcomes for ourselves or for society.”
    Such as? “Well, Hitler,” he says.)
    Kobe = Hitler

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    i had to laugh at that last post.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Does that make Colorado hotel workers Jews?…(And I actually think Kobe was innocent, but the joke needed to be made.)

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    ^did you just call kobe a racists, genocidal fu(k who wants global domination? take out the racist genocidal part, and send him $50 milli, and you may be on to something. If not, no more posting for you, ever.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    that post was directed at Jukai

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    I never said Kobe was racist.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    you said kobe = hitler, hitler = racist. Words without words

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Hitler did not want Global Domination.Just so we’re accurate.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    ok, so he just wanted to have a ‘ayran nation’ and a jew free world with Germany as the capital? more accurate?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    He wanted Leibensraum(German for ‘Living Space’)e.g. Russia and it’s resources,to unite all German speaking people(Sudentenland,Czechoslovakia,Austria et al)and that whole Aryan race thing.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i learned something new

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    It might be semantics and all. But I’m not sure that Hitler wanted global domination either. The thing with a disgusting human being like that is that you can not really make a nuance without sounding like you’re defending him… so I’ll have faith in our intelligence and ability to interpret stuff the right way.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    My nerding is done for the day……now off to go kill myself.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I think that Jukai was being sarcastic with that comment. And maybe ironical as well. In the meantime, a Brazilian kid just fell off a cliff in the rainforest.

  • dsleepy

    Antawn is the MAN!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    TAD:Humour doesn’t translate well on the internet,especially the subtle kind.Maybe that’s why I’m being called an idiot at least five times a day now?Or maybe I’m just not funny.Nah,it’s the first one….

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    No, I’m dead serious. Dead. Serious.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    It could be a mix of all three izzo.

  • MeloMan13

    i cant BELIEVE Jr smith hasnt been on this list yet

  • scott

    Keep on believing MeloMan. If Slam did a top 130 or so we might see Smith.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    Yeah, MeloMan, JR isnt coming up. Hey BET, how was that taco?

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    Oh yeh, Moose in the house/apartment/mommas basement/cardboard box/wherever else you may live!

  • raptor #1 fan

    kg #1 bosh and j. o in top 20

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    Too late, raptor #1 fan. j.o. was like 47 or somethin, but Bosh will be in the top 20, obviously.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    I’m out for a little bit. Peace!

  • rick

    vince ain’t married to antawn’s sister.
    he’s married to antawn’s wife’s sister.

  • hoohoo

    people dont realize how good antawn jamison is. remember, this man scored 51 points back to back at one point in his career

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Moose, the taco was amazing. It was the oddest tasting thing ever, plus the shell was red!

  • Quail

    i’ll admit he had a career year last season… but 29? thats too high. Ron Artest and Ray Allen are better in my opinion.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    So, BET, you’re saying that I shouldn’t try it?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    if you want something hot and different go for it. My toliet got painted though and my the car stank on the way home cause we all got it and the windows was roled down and it was 4 of us and you get the picture

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    yeh, I think i’ll stay away from that stuff, especially cause i try to stay away from taco bell anyway.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    that double stack at Wendys is the business though

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    wendys is good stuff.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i still cant get over how the burgers are square. That just aint right, but its good.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    So BETCATS when you gonna update your site man? you’ve had all that stuff hatin on jordan for about as long as he was in the nba now, man . . .

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    also never go to Cookout, they spit in your food. Dude who used to work their is in my alegbra class, and he told me that the boss told him to pick food off the floor and serve it, and to spit on stuff if they want

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    yeah, square burgers are weird. but they are good and they fill you up good, unlike mikkey d’s burgers.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    it will get updated when i dont have reserach papers to write for world history, and i dont have to translate dam workbook pages for spainish 1.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    BET, there arent any cookouts where i live . . . i guessed you lived in NC before, but i just confirmed it . . .

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Burger King Burger>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    for real? cookouts are everywhere, we got like 6 in raleigh

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    well you’re posting on this site, almost the same amount of time as updating yours.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    i don’t live in north carolina, BET . . .

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    they got them in VA, SC, FLA too

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    and its quality not quanity. if you want, i will go in right now and write a tale and come back in 3 minutes

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    well there arent any in MA, all i can tell you.

  • Antawn Jamison

    Even I’m shocked by this.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    don’t do that, BET. your readers dont want a piece of crap.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    come up with some good material and update it, though. maybe if the cats get landry.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    the deed has been done doneoff and did

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    shocked by what, Antawn?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    “Antawn Jamison says:
    Even I’m shocked by this.”
    your not the real Antawn Jamison, are you?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i dont think the real antawn would say that.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    BET, great job. whenever you get a chance to bash teddy-the-bear, you get it. thanks for the namecheck.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    no problem, good job making me do that

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    yeh. if you ever feel like you need to do somethin and you dont wanna, just come to me. :)

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    I’m out . . . BETCATS, be good . . . Peace!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    alright, i got this werid urge to buy a Raiders Starter cap…should i do that.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    alright peace

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    well now i am out too.

  • http://fjsdklf.com Jukai

    Jesus, trade screennames and take it over there, alright?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    my computer wont shut down, and Jesus has nothing to do with this, the 2nd best thing (me) did however so i forgive you Jukai.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Hornets nest….

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    haha! lmao

  • rommel

    i really like this guy too.. a shooter with no mercy inside and out still matters arent it commissioner??

  • http://sneakersandshoes.wordpress.com/2008/02/05/the-super-bowl-had-one-sneaker-commercial-under-armor/under-armour-mens-proto-power-trainer/ Dacre

    slamonline.com…where getting up in your grill happens.

  • i am the walrus

    Wat’s up with agent 0? Will he ever return?

    But his blogs are kind of funny…

  • WOOOZE

    15 spots above DWest. Really?

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Late for the party, 29 seems about right for Jame.

  • rikson

    I feel you WOOOZE -> the spot is way too high for jamison…

  • j-smoov 5

    UNDERATED IS WHAT HE IS. HE SHOULD GET MORE LOVE :D

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