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Friday, October 24th, 2008 at 8:00 am  |  499 responses

SLAMonline Top 50: Kevin Garnett, no. 4

The definitive ranking of the best players in the NBA today…

by Jake Appleman

“Kevin Garnett is absolutely f*cking insane. But you already knew that. There were two moments last night when KG was oozing hardwood psycho like a metaphorical serial rapist. Once, as the ball was brought up the floor he did this sort of slide/trance/dance thing which I can’t describe any better than that–maybe he actually slipped, but I doubt it–and when the Cavs were in-bounding the ball, sideline out of bounds towards the end of the game, he was sneaking around like a dude that had a knife in his back pocket. The man is a fire-breathing dragon of intense ridiculousness that would eat your screaming baby alive if you left it in the paint by accident.” – What I wrote following game 1 of the ECSF.

You know that feeling you get when one of those perfect moments hits you? Maybe you’re on a long, desolate stretch of highway and you’re feeling a late night caffeine kick; you know you’re alone, so you SLAMonline Top 50: Kevin Garnett, no. 4start testing the limits of your ride, open it up a little bit. Maybe you’re minding your own business on the subway and a beautiful girl walks in and stands right next to you, right after one of those cheesy love songs pops up on your iPod shuffle. You smile sheepishly, flush with all the emotions that encapsulate a tender everyday moment that you’ll never get back and probably won’t even remember ten minutes later. Maybe you’ve just lined an opposite field single in your geriatric league softball game for old people. You’re feeling the reverberation of the bat just as you begin to watch the ball sail into right field. You went with the pitch, you smart bastard. A happy smirk crosses your face as you start to run to first base.

These moments epitomize the adrenaline-building mini-gifts that remind us of the pure, simple bliss life can provide. Last year, Kevin Garnett’s entire season seemed to embody one of these moments. Except it was prolonged–instead of interrupted bursts, the lingering echo of a primal scream–and the basketball world’s reminder of a long forgotten emerald heaven.

As I watched Tuesday night’s Celtics-Knicks preseason snoozer, the thing that stuck—other than Eddie HOF (House On Fire) and Clyde Frazier noting “Pruitt, do it” —was KG’s frame of mind. His acid tongue and gladiator leadership were in mid season form—in October. He was teaching, preaching, and naturally emitting the next level emotional stuff that defines him. Patrick O’Bryant was, to say the least, stiffening, so KG used his words and steely glare to play chiropractor. Class was in session. Leon Powe and Big Baby Davis, eight days from some newly minted green bling, gazed into his eyes with a wonderment that belied the amount of time they’d already spent learning from him. Mike Breen gushed, as he is wont to do when he’s watching the polar opposite of the Knicks, and the point was made. This dude is the consummate teammate. If the pre-season is any indication, the Cs aren’t going anywhere.

While clichés usually annoy and serve, as much than anything else, to piss off the knowledge sports fan, there was one last season that never really got old: the Celtics’ resurgence occurred primarily because Kevin Garnett changed the atmosphere. He’s elemental like water and wind.

Or fire.

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  • will

    first

  • will

    CP should be higher

  • maeng

    gotta love KG…….time to get more rings big ticket!

  • Andy

    I’d say KG should be above Timmy, but a solid ranking and excellent write-up.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    KG…. Man I love that dude (no homo).

  • Saviour

    Surprisingly near the top on replies.

    Great placing for KG, I woulda put TD 4th though.

  • James aka the artist formerly known as Krayzie Bone

    I want to see Kobe 3. Not because he deserves it or because I dislike him, but because the festival of comedy that would happen here would be worth seeing.

  • http://nbaukfan.blogspot.com/ mat smith

    or if Kobe wasnt in it, now that would be funny, heh, KG rules, nice article Mr Appleman

  • http://hoops4life.com overtime

    KG- most intense player ever-he gets it

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    But he’s not even the best player on his own team!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    True James… that would be something.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    First the return of Greytone Productions yesterday and now this?! This wasn’t the usual long-worded Jake piece, but it didn’t have to be. KG has been described so many ways that I thought all ground was covered; I was wrong. Thanks Appleman.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Just making sure everyone is awake.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    400 on this one? That’s my guess.

  • Clockwork

    Wow, Duncan higher that KG, didn’t see that one coming.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    I was trying to think of something smart to day to Ryan but failed. So I wrote that. Sorry.

  • Clockwork

    Celtics are going back to the Finals this year

  • Clockwork

    And KG should run for president

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Duncan was No. 54. Do you guys honestly not pay attention?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Assuming we have the technology to do it (Ryne?), we should run one of those little poll things where readers pick the order of the final three spots… I’m curious what the numbers would look like.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Jeez. Idiioots arent they Jones? Wait nevermind…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Co-sign Jones @8:23.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    As long as the polls don’t come with a comments section, i’m all for it.

  • jay

    KG over Tim any day…If KG is a firebreathing dragon, Timmy is a snooze-inducing

    A) lizard
    B) medicine
    C) set-shooter

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Wanted to do the poll after no. 7 Pierce but, believe it or not, we *can’t* create polls any more (unless we use a poll hosting site…).

  • Maria Callas

    @Ryan…:1)LeBron, 2)Kobe, 3)Duncan. You want also %?
    By the way: KG is no3 in the NBA(after Duncan) but we have to have Lebron top3 or our lovely little….

  • JOE

    i think that if i were staring a team from scratch for this one season alone, i would pick
    #1 Kobe Bryant
    #2 LeBron James
    #3 Tim Duncan
    #4 Chris Paul
    #5 Kevin Garnett

    gotta argue CP3 should be higher, nothin against KG.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Thats a shame Ryne.
    PS-Im working on the final editing right now. It should be in to you within the next few hours.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Maria- I will perform a pre-emptive strike on you if you dont stop that BS right now. Please do not turn this into another discussion/arguement on the skills of European players vs. Americans and their athleticism.
    So, just shut up. Please?

  • Maria Callas

    @Hursty…..:”sleeping my baby….”
    @Ryne…….:you see now..?

  • http://nbaukfan.blogspot.com/ mat smith
  • fluxland

    F***ING POSER!! Where’s the link to the Thompson “I cry like a schoolgirl” interview? No mention of 4th q chocking/missing FTs skills? For all the crap Dirk takes for not retaliating vs West… KG is a stand up citizen for not retaliating vs Peeler, Zaza, STAT etc. And Russ can tell me how he is not trying to intimidate opponents with his “performances” before tip offs and is only “pumping himself up”, but if that were the case, he could do it in the locker room. The public display is not for him, rest assured.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    What does that even mean Maria? Seriously, you must be oddest person on this site except for maybe NBK, USA4LIFE or Eboy (jokes old man).

  • http://nbaukfan.blogspot.com/ mat smith

    hard to get right but just vote for one as your top pic and the poll will work itself out (if it gets added that is)

  • http://www.heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    Timmy still got it.

  • Maria Callas

    @Hursty….:don’t worry darling, mama is here,everything’s gonna be ok….

  • http://www.heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    Well, at least in Slam’s eyes.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I’m pretty sure Mr. Callas is f*cking with the room, Hursty. Don’t sweat him.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And Ryne, that’s a bummer – would be cool to see, though, right?

  • http://www.heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    Maria, ?

  • Maria Callas

    you piss off my secretary ,you have to do with me now…i got you covered Dorina,ehm sorrry “flux” (Dorina is the name of my first secretary in real life here in Bucuresti,and i have great memories of her!!!)

  • bignigga

    Here’s my opinion of how the list should go from here:
    3. Tim Duncan
    2. Lebron James
    1. Kobe Bryant

  • bignigga

    Here’s my opinion of how the list should go from here:
    3. Tim Duncan
    2. Lebron James
    1. Kobe Bryant

  • Maria Callas

    KG is the real MVP of last year…he would have been if he hadn’t already take the trophy..

  • http://www.heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    this sh*t is freaking me out.

  • scott

    1. Kobe Bryant
    2. LeBron James
    3. Tim Duncan

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Nah its cool Ryan. I dont mind. I would’ve liked a poll though, that would’ve been pretty sweet.

  • Maria Callas

    KG is one of the most unique players to ever play the game simply because his combination of size ,athletisism, and fundamentals are a “first” for this league…i put him in the “C.Barkley” category in terms of what i call “uniqness”)

  • einstein

    oh no… duncan OVER KG?

  • LAN

    pffffffffffffffffffffffffft tim duncan is > kg all time and kg is > tim duncan atm

  • http://www.heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    1. Bron Bron
    2.Tim Duncan
    3.Kobe

    only because I thought cp3 was number 3 in the L so slam had to switch up the top 3.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Hey Presto! When you going to re-do DP’s site? Unless it is actually DP, in which case the site has fallen almost into a cyber disrepair.

  • fluxland

    Balki… how are you? I don’t care about the ranking or denying KG’s skills. Just don’t appreciate that crap he does. All kinds of other player do all kinds of things on the floor and get ridiculed, but because everyone under the sun has a soft spot for “the kid” and have felt sorry for him since day 1, everything he does is leadership and pumping himself up and perfectly acceptable. F OFF!! Oh, and Bodiroga Top 10, I don’t care.

  • http://www.heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    I have more monkiers than karrine steffans has more rap stars, Hurst. But I think I’m sticking with this one and yes I’m re-doing my site again. still got love for bachi though.

  • Maria Callas

    @Kid Presto….:join the club!!!(it is called: “THE LEBRON LIST!!”)
    Back on KG now…

  • scott

    co-sign LAN

  • scott

    At this moment Kevin Garnett is the better player then Tim Duncan. However, if you count their body of work Tim Duncan is in the top ten players of all time and Kevin Garnett is in the top 25.

  • Maria Callas

    @Dorina….:i completely agree with what you said on KG (and not because you are my secretary..). Everybody is talking about how unlucky he has been to not have a great supporting cast in his life or else he would have won more championships but i think (although we will never know…)that KG could never do what Duncan did: to HIM the one to LEAD a team to the tittle. He simply doesn’t have the mental strenght-ability to do so..he neeeds a leader although he is going to be the best on the team in terms of all around productivity…i think that he is basically imotionally immature…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Hey DP, I recently discovered that SuperHead and I went to the same high school. Just not at the same time. Sadly.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    …’cause I’m pretty sure I’m her type.

  • The Crook

    Hold up wait a minute!! KG is a flat out BEAST!! Who else can cover every position with his intensity and skill? Haven’t you witnessed him at half court slapping the floor and then stripping point guards? As far as his pre-game AMP session, it’s both for him and the crowd. (if the opponent is intimidated by that then fine, his game alone is enough) He does get amp’d like that in the locker room and it just builds as the tip off nears.

    He is every bit if not more valuable than Bryant & James and that’s even without being the featured player on the team. hence, he plays well with others and can sacrifice in order to gain. I would have loved to see him on the Olympic team this Summer!

    Ms. Maria, keep those mind games going…

  • Maria Callas

    having said that, i strongly believe that he is top-30 all time material and that he has a chance for some 2 more titles if his team doesn’t suffer major injuries..

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Interesting.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    I got you DP, uh Kid Presto.. :)

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Jones, that would just mean you have some equipment that can function and maybe a video camera.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I have a functional video camera, Tad. Thanks for asking.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Oh, and I have two kids, too. So I guess everything works.

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    Maria NIKOS is hoping everybody to join his “the LEBOOOM list”… just stop…old man

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    So, can we expect any news on Spencer Hawes today? 21 and 16 vs. Yao aint bad. Yao seems to be ok as well-thanks for asking.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Your golden then Jones.
    P.S.- strap up.

  • Maria Callas

    @anybody saying TD is top-10 all-time….:you rank him over Hakeem..?If you do so,go and buy video of all his playoff games in his prime or just ask somebody who saw him play…M.J had him as the best center of his time in an interview at SLAM 100…(over Shaq, Ewing, Robinson…)

  • fluxland

    Balki – fi de acord.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Hawes supports McCain. He clearly can only perform when it doesn’t matter-i.e. preseason.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    You can set up Podcasts,mini sites,fancy banner ads,but not polls.Really?

  • http://www.ngunioamosotho.com Nguni

    Aint no way Duncan is better than KG. I wud take KG over da robot all day.

  • KayDoub

    GO KG!!! You are my hero! go get your ring big boy, you deserve it!
    but td over KG? not right now c’on

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    Maria NIKOS acting like his da only one who know’s NBA history …PRETTY WELL

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    Duncan is better than kg for ALL TIME, but kg is better for now…

  • Maria Callas

    @Dorina…:sunt de acord .”fi” is the verb “be” but you say “I am” not “I be”, nevermind. By the way: its YOUR job to correct me not mine!!!(just joking..)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I’m allright with this one.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Great TAD. because everyone listens to 7foot white people playing for Sacramento regularly. Tmac looked good last night as well.

  • The Crook

    Why do most of my comments labeled: Your comment is awaiting moderation? WZUP? I may be a virgin to this blog site thing but come on SLAM….. Let the outcast in.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    How is KG better right now? His numbers weren’t even better last season if I’m not mistaken. I don’t feel like looking it up, but whatever.

  • Maria Callas

    @Co Co….:well,..if his “NUMBERS!!” weren’t better…. i,mean…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Speaking of last night, anyone pinning the Lakers title hopes on the domination of Andrew Bynum better give the kid some time (like a couple of seasons). Dude is strong rebounding but his offensive game needs a lot of work. Give him time, please.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I feel a trainwreck coming on. Time to get off the tracks.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Eboy:But he’s the missing link!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I know Izzo, I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Wang

    KG is very very famous in China. All the boys in our class want to play like KG. He’ve been China for one time and we hope the next ChinaGame would have Boston Celtics.He is the best player in my heart.

  • GOAT

    Co-sign LAN. TD has had a better career than KG, but KG is a monster RIGHT NOW compared to Tim “the Jetson’s robot maid (what was her name again?” Duncan.

    Maria is a moron and saying some real ridiculous things. Hakeem vs Duncan (in their primes) would have been an amazing battle. And just cuz $$$ said Hakeem is the greatest doesn’t mean he’s better than Duncan. All those players that MJ named, he played against in his prime. $ wasn’t around in Chicago anymore after Duncan started winning chips.

  • http://nbaukfan.blogspot.com/ mat smith

    I made a poll (scroll up ^ to my name) you can only vote for 1st cos its a bit pants, but it will work out as to who we think will be 1, 2 n 3

  • Maria Callas

    THE JOSH CHILDRESS REPORT:i saw Josh yesterday night in his first official game in the Euroleague with Olympiakos(ole!!!). The guy was our best player moving and slashing to the basket like a young Kobe..he was really spectacular and a joy for funs in Italy(we played against Avelino). The problem is that i observed some things that worry me for the future…Avelino is one of the weekest teams in Euroleague(something like Memphis in NBA) and their defence wasn’t that well organized(CSAKA& PANATHINAIKOS won’t be like this trust me..) . Josh will not find it that easy to slash against serious competition and then he would have to try and shoot..which is getting us to his shooting stroke: the worst mechanics i have seen from a top level player in Europe the last few years!! The guy is propably worse even than Lebron,..i mean he had 1/6 at free throws and the one he made was the only one that made it over the rim…anyway,it is clear that we are going to have serious problems against tight defenses but i knew most of this,unfortunatelly the average fun of OLympiakos thought we were getting someone that is going to be a star like Antony Parker…at least the guy gave it all at defence blocking shots and hustling like a true profecional. From Avelino, the only one who showed that he belonged at this level was Travis Best (he made some great threes) while Tamar Slay was “lost in space”…

  • Maria Callas

    @Wang….:ni hao!! wo xue putonghua xue de liang nian. ni shuo putonghua ma?

  • Wang

    Great time need great enemies. No Russell, No Chamberlain.No Larry Bird, no Magic.No MJ, no Reggie.No KB, no AI.No TD,No KG.. The world needs heros.

  • Wang

    Hey! Ni hao. Ni pu tong hua shuo de hen hao.

  • Maria Callas

    @Wang…:xie xie ni!!

  • jdn41

    my favourite (canadian spelling) player of all time if it means anything

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    @wang,what’s wrong with you???

  • Wang

    Guess what~ It is 9:57 pm in china…I ganna sleep…Good night everyone!..
    @Maria: It’s very nice to meet you.Good night.

  • http://nbaukfan.blogspot.com/ mat smith

    Wang is now my new favourite commentor, we need some deep dudes

  • jdn41

    wang is your first name long?

  • Maria Callas

    wo xie zai zhe ge wangzhan pingchang.! ni zai nar?

  • Froggiestyle

    Ok full disclosure. My boys got season tix when baby-garnett came to the twin cities. They and the whole city were amped beyond belief. We all saw what a consummate talent, hard worker, team motivator and serious hard working guy he was. He just was not the go to guy in the 4th quarter like 75-80% of the time. Blame can be spread all around on MN management but it’s painfully depressing when ONLY ONE SEASON LATER KG gets his ring and MN gets nothing in exchange (anyone still wet over that white hope combination of Maddog, Miller and Love?). I will always love KG, follow his career, see his games (and try to wish him well). But if you’ve ever been going steady with a super hot chick for 5 years she says she’s just not ready to commit and the week after you break up she not only tells you she’s engaged but pregnant and couldn’t be happier – how you gonna root for her with your whole heart? I ask you? KG, I love you but I also hate your fluckin guts.

  • Wang

    No , It’s my last name. It is just like Yao.. Wang in chinese means The King..
    The ancient people in china call their King Wang. But now there’ve been thousands of Wangs in China.

  • Froggiestyle

    Oh BTW Danny and McHale – youre going straight to hell for that shady a$$ deal you pulled – your karma is flucked for life and McH should be excommunicated from MN

  • KA

    well color me surprise. I was expecting Kobe lebron Paul kevin tim. wow. that said I prefer tims game to kevin so I’m good. bit still, wow.

  • jdn41

    cause if it was ur last name you name would be LONG WANG

  • Maria Callas

    @Simone…:he is from China and he speaks standard chinese(Mandarin) so he was happy to find somebody speaking to him his language. this is his “problem”…you got a problem with chinese people also..?

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Okay to everyone who insists KG is better than Timmy right now please explain how. I really don’t get it. I still haven’t looked it up, but I think Timmy’s numbers were better last year and if we’re talking about career success, well that’s not even debatable

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    @wang, welcome…

  • Wang

    @Maria Callas :P ing chang? what does it mean?

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    @Maria, no… i just don’t get it why he comment on some hero stuff…, no mj, no kareem…..

  • jdn41

    its cause of that jet li movie

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    you know what, i can speak 7 language, and that including chinese…, actually i understand conversation between you guys…

  • Maria Callas

    @Wang….:i wrote “pingchang”. I wanted to say “regularly-usually”. Don’t we use this word that way..?

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    @E: Dude, he played 20 mins. last night and shot 2 of 3 and made both free throws he took. He also grabbed 10 rebs. in less than a half. When he’s had playing time he’s been throwing in baby hooks and hitting short turnarounds. Watch more than one game before you speak on a player please.

  • Wang

    Thank you,my friend.
    Tim got more rings, but if KG replaced TD in his team, I think he can got them too.

  • Maria Callas

    @Simone…:BRAVO!!!!(what language is this darling…?)

  • michaeldott

    execellent write up Jake! :D

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Wang. Please dont let ‘Maria’ distract you. ‘She’ is a filthy internet troller h0re. At least try and be relevant and on topic (im one to talk). Welcome though.
    Hursty out.

  • Froggiestyle

    allez vous faire mettre bande de pédés avec vos conneries de langues

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    ok, i’m waitin’ for it…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I’ve seen the guy more than one game, B, and while his body looks to be in great shape, against a horribly undersized Cats squad he was less than imposing, as you, yes you, have made him out to be on more than……oh, I’m not sure…..30 times since June. It will be fun to see where he sits on the Top 50 list next season though.

  • Maria Callas

    @Wang….:Hursty, Simone,wo xinnian yao zai zhongguo qo !!!zaijian!!
    @Hursty,Simone….:if you only knew what i wrote about you….

  • Froggiestyle

    Get a room already you *nudniks* – there’s a language for ya head

  • Wang

    @Maria Callas :Sorry I misunderstand .. I thought it was some place or something..
    So I can meet you guys often on this website~
    @jdn41 says:..That is because my English is so so… I can only make some easy conversation..
    @Simon S.Y Lawy:Wow~That’s great!..7 languages~just unbelievable..

    If team needs ,KG is completly able to get double 20 in the game.

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    @hursty, he said he’s gonna celebrate new year in china…LOL

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    i understand,i really does…so don’t f**k with me, bitch…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Can I welcome Wang in true Shaq-like style? “Ching, Chang, Chong, Wing, Wong”

  • Wang

    Is it Christmas or Chinese Spring Festival?
    Did you see the Olympic Game in BeiJing?

  • http://www.where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Yeah E, I guess 3 blocks in less than a half isn’t very imposing.

  • airs

    “maybe you’ve just lined an opposite field single in your geriatric league softball game for old people. You’re feeling the reverberation of the bat just as you begin to watch the ball sail into right field. You went with the pitch, you smart bastard.”
    hahahhaa, i love this write up

  • Maria Callas

    @Simone…:don’t worry about Hursty, a genious like him knows for sure at least 16 languages…

  • Wang

    Ok, I really have to go..My mother has been urging me to sleep for 10minutes… See you tomorrow!
    Thank you for your…”Ching,Chang,Chong,Wing,Wong…”
    Have a nice day!

  • Maria Callas

    @Wang….:zaijian!! xianzai wo dei qu…

  • Young Chris MP3

    Scoop Jackson must be rollin’ over in his grave…

  • namik

    This one doesn’t make sense…

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Co Co, his scoring was down because there was no need to put it up like that. His board numbers were down because he was sitting out every 4th quarter with the C’s up by a million. But eff the stats, I’m sure you’ve seen him play quite a few times. Can you honestly say that KG lost a step last year?

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I can honestly say I still think Tim Duncan is better than him. And I must have missed the dramatic drop off Timmy had last year.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Me too, Co Co. Me too.

  • http://nba.com ninja cool

    Article doesn’t do justice to Ticket. There are lots of anecdotes that define his infernal passion for the game (i.e.crying to John Wooden about losing), his all-around skills (he did play some point forward for the Wolves) and how he stalked the courts of Chicago when he was in high school to play against the best hoopsters the state could produce. CP3′s write-up was better and I expect Timmy D, King James and Mamba’s article to be right up there. Seems the writer wanted to get this over with as soon as possible. Bill Russell even offered him one of his rings. Least you could do was write something in that caliber. Peace!

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    TD’s numbers make it seem illogical for him to be ranked this high. But he’s like the opposite of JO: he’s not interested in putting up stats against the weak teams that SA is going to beat regardless. However, there’s not a single big man in the L that can claim to give TD the business on the regular. He strikes fear and doubt in the heart of other bigs. KG’s my dude (my favourite player actually) but I’ve seen how uncomfortable he seems when he goes against TD. He tries to punk TD and TD won’t even give him the time of day. Totally unfazed. I’ve seen it way too many times to argue against TD being ahead of KG in this ranking.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    This writeup really encapsulated how I feel about KG. If I could pay to play in an intramural league with KG as my teammate, I would pony up a couple of Gs.
    That dude just seems to make basketball fun.

  • EC

    I’ve seen KG and TD go head to head many times and at the end of the night regardless of whos team won KGs numbers are ALWAYS better than TDs, and sometimes its not even close. Its just that throughout most of their careers Duncan has had go to players like Manu and Parker down the stretch to pick up where Duncan couldnt finish and pull out the win. So then Duncan gets the credit for the win and people forget the head to head match up between the two. Then people look at the final score and just assume Duncan outplayed KG without actually noticing KG serving him on both ends of the floor all night long.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Well if we’re going by that logic EC, then maybe Deron would be higher than CP and hell there’s no debate for number one because LeBron has been pretty good against Kobe and so on. And didn’t Gil give the Lakers almost 60 so I guess he’d be higher than Kobe too.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I thought TD slipped a little last year. He had some problems with injuries the past few years and he looked heavier than normal. However, he seems to have come back much slimmer this year and I expect him to take his crown back from KG. That’s right, I thought last year KG was better than Duncan. However, Duncan has consistently been better throughout this whole career. We have all been blessed to watch two of the greatest power forwards of all-time reach their potential as players.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    My point is lots of players have their best games when they’re going against the best person who plays their same position. It doesn’t mean they are better than said player in the big picture.

  • EC

    If you look at the one on one match ups and the way the offenses are ran for certain positions, u could make that argument for alot of players. Deron gets alot of picks set for him cuz hes more of an aggressive guard so its gonna be harder for CP3 to stop him. Thats the offense the Jazz run. If CP3 had picks set for him and his objective is to score than he’d do the same to Deron in the points category. Also Gil had ONE good game against Kobe, im talking about whole careers and i dont have any problem putting Lebron over Kobe, hell i could understand an argument putting Deron over CP3 it depends on how you look at it

  • Bruno

    i’m still going to read it, but very good choice
    most of the people underrate Timmie and doesn’t understand why i call him TEAM Duncan.
    just on his own, he is already a complete team… if he goes to any nba team, that team would be instantanious candidate.
    He is not a celebrity, he is there just to win as many games/’chips as he can, than retire and live his “simple life”, but people usually like the “bit(hes” (not that kg is one)
    well, done with timmie, today is about KG
    THE MOST INTENSE GUY SINCE MJ!
    everyone loves this guy. even playing with Paul Pierce, i was cheering for the Celtics cause there are not many players IN THE HISTORY of the game that deserved as much as him.
    congrats KG, Timmie, and for a day, SLAM…
    hehehehhe

  • EC

    Well i gotta get back to work. Be back in a couple hours. One

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    KG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    I refer everyone to the last two comments I made on the chris paul thread yesterday so I don’t have repeat myself.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    I’m good with this ranking. And I agree with Co Co–outside of the stats, let KG win a few more trophies before you claim he’s better than TD.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Cheryl, if you put TD on the Wovles and KG playing on the Spurs, i think San Antonio might have a few more rings. But that should not take away from the type of best Tim Duncan is (who in any place other than that sick fantasy i just laided out, is better than KG)

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I beg to differ Co Co. In my mind, if you constantly outplay someone whenever you play against him that means you’re better than him. Might not be more productive, but you’re still a better basketball player than him.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    ‘Cheryl, if you put TD on the Wovles and KG playing on the Spurs, i think San Antonio might have a few more rings.’ BETCATS, that’s a very very bold statement.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    BET:No.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    “you’re looking real nice tonight Michelle”. THE line of the year, by Kg. I absolutely adore this guy.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    yeah Z, if you’re constantly outplaying them in a game of one on one or perhaps horse. Not so much when your affectiveness depends on what 9 other people are doing.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    It is also a very wrong statement.

  • dfrance

    I don’t know about that EC. I’ve seen KG struggle against TD a lot of times. Honestly, I think it’s hard to compare the two. Tim Duncan is in no way the complete offensive player that KG is. However with his back to the basket, he’s the best PF to ever play the game. He can dominate games scoring and KG can’t do that. But KG can step outside, he can drive off the dribble and his assist numbers are great. It depends on what you need. If you have a bunch of really good complimentary players, you take Duncan to be that go to guy. If you already have a go to guy and need that player to bring the intangibles to get over the hump, you get KG…

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    my thanks to the universe, fate or whatever (cern maybe?) made me experience the last 12 months in basketball. From meeting most of the celtics ( and raptors) last oct. During the nba europlive roma weekend to later seeing ray ray, KG and Cassell (3 of my favs) winning the chip. It’s been a nice turn of events.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m lazy and kinda busy at work so i’m not going to look it up, but I highly doubt KG continuosly outplayed Duncan head-to-head.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    dfrance: Um, you cannot be serious?! KG a more complete offensive player than Duncan. I’m about to have a head explosion.

  • TonyG

    I have no idea where this idea that KG outplays Duncan head-to-head came from..just sounds like somebody making something up to support his argument..

    KG and Tim is always a toss-up from a peak perspective..but I don’t really understand anybody saying that Duncan looks old, and KG doesn’t..

    their 1 common opponent was the Lakers, where they both played a lot vs. the Lakers and Pau Gasol..looking at the numbers..

    KG vs. Gasol(and the rest of the Lakers of course): 41.9% FG, 13 RPG, 2.7 TPG, 18.2 PPG..

    Duncan vs. Gasol(rest of the Lakers as well, but primarily Gasol): 42.6% FG, 17.4 RPG, 2.4 TPG, 22.4 PPG..

    Gasol vs. Boston/KG: 50.8% FG, 10.2 RPG, 2.2 TPG, 14.7 PPG..

    Gasol vs. Spurs/Duncan: 44.6% FG, 9.6 RPG, 1.6 TPG, 13.2 PPG..

    obviously they were primarily covering each other for the entire time, but it’s pretty clear that the Duncan-KG comparison is close as usual, and it makes no sense to call Duncan “old” and not Garnett..

    they are both ahead of Paul though, because they both remain the 2 best defensive players in the NBA..

  • Jason Castro

    Usually I try to understand people’s view points….but not THIS TIME!!!!!!! How can some of you want to rank KG over Tim Duncan?????Duncan has 4 CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!! KG has 1….and for the record I ain’t hating on KG he got mad game and earns every penny…but Duncan is da man over KG…check the championship banners the next time you stroll into San Antonio!

  • TonyG

    obviously they WEREN’T***..typo..

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    From what I remember KG and Duncan head to head was pretty much a wash. They both struggled to play at their usual dominant level against the defense of the other player.
    Duncan is a better scorer than KG, I think KG has better all-around skills. That does not make KG a better player. Just because KG can occassionally play the point guard, does not mean he’s a better power forward. He’s just more versatile.
    Duncan has been better over the course of his career. That’s just the way things have been. But, I do think that if KG had been consistently coached by someone like Pop and paired with other players who can score consistently, he would have more rings. If Marbury had stayed in Minnesota and not pouted, I think those two would have gotten a ring, honestly.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    A little bit of “old school” for perspective; thank you Tony G. I’m just going to assume that was non other than Mr. Gervino.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    *none other

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Jason
    The list is NOT supposed to consider career achievement. At least that’s what we were told. So, on this list, it’s all about right now.’
    Personally, I thought Duncan had lost a step last year and was looking older. I’ve since seen him in the preaseason and he looks like he lost weight and has a lot of pep in his step. Just because Duncan may have lost a step doesn’t mean he looks old to me. I just thought last year KG was better overall. Things could change this year.

  • Jordan Eyali

    KG>>>TD

  • http://nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    +1, Jordan.

  • Jason Castro

    Allenp I hear what your saying….but if you look at how high slam ranked Steve Nash it is evident that they did that because of the last four years….there is no way Steve would be ranked that high based on last year’s results.

  • Kieran

    Just watched a couple old Wolves games from ’99! Crazy to think the different paths Steph and KG have taken huh? Does anyone think if they stayed together they could of had a chip? Who do you think they would of needed in the supporting cast?

  • Sparker

    love kg. the man’s an inspiration. period. re: duncan losing a step. who’s going to tell amare that the only player in the league who consistently makes him look bad isn’t even that good anymore?

  • Jason Castro

    Hahahahah I feel u Sparker!!! That’s exactly my point….Tim is proven goods…has he slowed 4sure but who cares…hes got his 4 rings…nothing else to prove.

  • TonyG

    I’m not disrespecting anybody that thinks KG was better than Duncan last year..it’s certainly debatable..I just have a problem with anybody that says that KG was CLEARLY better(or if somebody says Tim was clearly better) and I find it unfair to say that Duncan “looks old” and KG doesn’t, when they both played at a very similar level last year..they both looked similar vs. LA..

    KG just had his most successful year, but this isn’t KG from 2003-2004..both guys have “lost a step” if you compare them to their peaks, where they were the best players in the NBA(IMO)..

  • NBK

    The difference between KG and TD is on how they defend the pick and roll, nobody in the league disrupts the NBA’s bread and butter more than KG. That is why I believe he is a better player than Duncan because he can disrupt and change the game in every single facet

  • EC

    Sparker you said “love kg. the man’s an inspiration. period. re: duncan losing a step. who’s going to tell amare that the only player in the league who consistently makes him look bad isn’t even that good anymore? ……………………From what i remember Amare averaged 37 ppg in the WCF a few years back on your beloved Duncan. I think its the other way around. Plus theres No way amare does that to KG in any season on any team in any situation, Duncan just isnt as quick and or as versatile, plain and simple

  • Jason Castro

    Consider this if KG never won a title last year would we be having this conversation?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Jason, that’s like saying that if KG wasn’t a beast defensively he wouldn’t be as good. Duh. Chips are part of what makes a player great. Chips while you’re the top dog, of course.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    EC You’re right, but only to a point. I’m pretty sure their game plan was to let Amare do what he does and contain everyone else. That’s pretty much what happened. And can we all stop with the well this would have happened if the roles were reversed stuff. We don’t know that at all. And as “great as KG is there’s not a whole lot of success prior to last season to prove that he, to quote NBK ” can disrupt and change the game in every single facet”.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’ve heard plenty of people on here call Duncan the GOAT of PF’s, but i’ve only heard people on here say KG was ONE of the best PF’s ever. Now people are saying Garnett>Duncan? Pffftt.

  • NBK

    Except for his DPOY (defensive player of the year) award. And the whole not a lotta success thing you would have to take a hypothetical situation into context like perhaps what if Duncan were the TWolve and KG was a spur, I guarntee KG would have more rings then duncan right now. And yes Duncan is the GOAT of PF’s but he earned that in the past this is about the present, and presently i think the reigning champ and dpoy are better than the guy who lost to the team that lost to kg

  • Sparker

    um, ec? the suns are my favorite team; and the spurs could be my least favorite. i just respect them and td. and call ‘em as i see ‘em. as for the spurs defensive strategy: co-sign co co

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    You guarantee it, huh? LOL

  • NBK

    It really doesn’t mean anything but yeah i do, just saying you can’t judge duncan off of what he has done but only on what happened last season is the point im tryin to make and last season KG was top PF

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Um, if there numbers from last year were really that far apart, I’d give you that one, but they aren’t so I can’t. But, KG does have the ring so he did technically have a better season.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    their numbers, not there numbers. :(

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Not that it matters,but I’ve seen nothing to convince me that KG is better than Duncan.Maybe he’s just easier to root for than TD and his ‘boring’ team.These picks are pretty interchangable anyway.

  • NBK

    You could say that but KG isn’t about the numbers it is about the impact he had on the whole team. He changes everything, you think we would be talkin about Leon Powe or Glenn Davis umm ever if they didn’t play with KG? You think Rondo would have been the defensive force he was throughout the year if it wasn’t for KG? If KG weren’t on the celtics would they have even been top 20 in defense instead of number 1? Really think about it and come up with a logical reason as to right now why tim duncan should be ranked ahead of KG. RIGHT NOW NOT OVER HIS CAREER

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Um, Duncan changes everything too. Why am I continually getting pulled into this??

  • NBK

    He changes everything in the post….. and nowhere else unless he is playing Phoenix

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Put Duncan w/o any injuries and with Ray and Paul (who also were injury free), and Duncan is more than likely the defending NBA Champion. Give me a feakin break.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Jesus H.Chrit.NBK,I take you’ve seen Duncan play?No?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Christ*

  • http://www.slamonline.com bitches please

    No way he totally sucks balls, this guy isn’t that great at basketball really have you seen this guy play ball i can do way better….

  • http://www.slamonline.com bitches please

    No way he totally sucks balls, this guy isn’t that great at basketball really have you seen this guy play ball i can do way better….

  • NBK

    Is more than likely the defending champ except he isnt and he didn’t win, the league is about winning, Duncan didn’t do that last year, and KG did it more than anyone else, and he did it on the defending worst team in the league. and i realize how upgraded Boston was, but it still is KG who led them to the championship and duncan who led his team to the tv screen to watch the finals. There is no proof anywhere that duncan was better than KG last year, and although i do agree that Duncan has had a better career there is no way that if you genuinely watch the NBA you can try and say Duncan was better last year. And this list is about who is better now.

  • http://www.slamonline.com bitches please

    Are you guys f****** kidding me here, Number 4 hes way over rated!!!!!! Number 15 at least..

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    NBK, now you’re just being silly. San Antonio’s offense runs thru Tim Duncan always. If he’s on the floor I’d guess about 90% of the time there’s a pass in the post and then they go to work from there. Tim wants the ball at the end of the game where as KG does not. The reason KG was finally successful in Boston is because he was not the focal point of the offense. He had Paul Pierce to take that pressure off of him. When the Spurs need a bucket, they throw the ball into Tim and he can get it or he’ll get someone else an open shot. I really can’t believe you typed that he changes the game nowhere else.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Um, because you basically PROMISED in your premise. I’m more of a damn realist. You can predict that things would be certain if roles were changed.

  • NBK

    Oh and if Duncan were on the Celtics last year like you say “he would be the defending champ” then that means duncan would have to rally his team and turn them into the green defensive machine that KG did. And rallying the troops has never really been one of Duncan’s better qualities. So if Duncan were with PP and Ray on the Celtics last year i dont think they would have won the title i think they would have lost to LA just like the Spurs did

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    My eyes are bleeding (yes Izzo, I stole your line).

  • NBK

    I promised KG would have more rings then duncan if Duncan were a twolve his whole career, and kg were a spur there is no way you can say that KG would not have atleast got two rings compared to the four duncan has

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    TAD:This list has made that happen a lot lately.Ban the comments section!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com bitches please

    come on number 4 hahahahahahah this is hilarious!!! omg…

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    NBK, if you prefer KG over TD just say that. Don’t try to make it seem like TD is one dimensional and not a leader and etc… That’s just silly.

  • http://www.slamonline.com bitches please

    oh ya and Kobe NUMBER 1!!!!!!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    NBK: How the f*ck would you know that?? And someone please pull me the damn quote where someone from Slam said this list was based SOLELY on last year. Please.

  • http://www.slamonline.com bitches please

    KG can’t even play basketball, like wtf is with this listin him as # 4 this is crazy and makes me want barf!!!!

  • NBK

    NO i am saying that this ranking is supposed to be the definitive ranking of the best players in the NBA and duncan is ranked ahead of someone who outplayed him last season. I never once said KG was a better player in his career, i never once said anything other than KG is better now because he was better more recently and this list is supposed to reflect that, not how good they can be or how good they have been over the years

  • http://www.slamonline.com bitches please

    KG should play with Kobe!!! That was be friggn sick then i would totally agree puttin him as # 4 on this list!!!!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com bitches please

    KG should play with Kobe!!! That was be friggn sick then i would totally agree puttin him as # 4 on this list!!!!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com bitches please

    KG should play with Kobe!!! That was be friggn sick then i would totally agree puttin him as # 4 on this list!!!!!!

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    I don’t know about NBK’s comment. I really think Duncan would have still had at least one chip if he was a twolve his whole career. KG has always been known not to be such a baller doing playoff time(excluding his recent championship) and Duncan has been mr. consistent his whole career. so this ranking is kind of just when you ponder about it. slu.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    bitches please must have a mental disease.

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    b*tch, I see your point.

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    oh, cool. bitches isn’t censored. censorship should be banned.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Kobe and LeBron are both ranked ahead of Paul Pierce and he outplayed both of them so I guess by your logic the best player in the NBA has to come from the reigning champ?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    NBK:How did KG perform better than Duncan last season when Duncan statistically outperformed him in almost every category.I take it he won a chip(which is apparently a team acheivement),but to make a blanket statement that KG did much better is…..well…stupid.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I forgot NBK = Net Ball King. It all makes sense now.

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    I hate Tim Duncan because his personality is so bland but I respect the man’s game because you cannot deny that he is probably the greatest powerd foward to ever touch the ball. slu.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    TAD
    Nobody from SLAM said this list was based solely on last year. They just seemed to make that point when they ranked certain players.
    Of course, they also seemed to make the point that list was about career achievement. That happened right after they pointed out that the list wasn’t about career achievements.
    So basically, I don’t know what the list is based on. I’m just throwing stuff out there until somebody says something.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Saying that Tim Duncan only changes things in the post and nowhere else is the dumbest thing I’ve read on this site in at least ten minutes. That IS all I’m going to say in this post.

  • Dwyane

    I think slam will surprise everyone with the top 3

  • NBK

    Uhm number 1) if you judge everything by numbers then your playing fantasy basketball and 2) KG performed better by being the DPOY and by being 4th in MVP voting plus that trophy he got to hold over his head, i am not the one who pointed out how good of a year KG had, that was every single NBA analyst in the United States of America. If duncan had a better year then i wouldnt be saying this, plain and simple kg is better right now, i shouldn’t have to explain it all again there is plenty of proof.

  • NBK

    If slam did any part of this list previously on career achievement then we would all have to examine the AI/baron davis ranking controversy again

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    There’s this:

    From the first post of the Top 50

    Two summers back, Sam and I had the brilliant idea of ranking the 50 best players in the NBA. Full disclosure: We were at lunch at Outback Steakhouse at the time, and I really think this idea was birthed by too much Bloomin’ Onion. Well, it was either the onion or the reality that we had a long summer ahead of us and we needed to figure out an interesting way to pass the time on SLAMonline.

    We grabbed a notepad and started making a list of the best players, then started ranking them. We didn’t run this by anyone else, we just made our list and then got writers from around the Internets to tackle each player. We posted them each here on the site, with the thought being that if nothing else our list would probably generate conversation.

    Did it ever. By the time we got to the top five, our comments section was buzzing like never before. And when we announced Kobe as the best player in the NBA, we got over 300 comments, a record at the time.

    Then, on July 17 of this year, Myles and Russ sent out an email with their own Top 50 list, which they were planning to run down on their blogs. Of course, everyone on their email started arguing with each other, and before long all your favorite SLAM writers weren’t speaking. (OK, it wasn’t that bad, but it was close.) Ryne had just started a week or two before, so he gamely waded in and, a couple of thousand emails later, we had a ranking that we all (more or less) co-signed.

    Over the next few weeks, SLAMonline is going to roll out our new ranking of the 50 Best Players in the NBA. A huge thanks go out to Russ and Myles for getting this whole thing off the ground. (And if you disagree with any of the rankings, blame Russ and Myles.)

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Izzo
    I think you’re right to say “without a doubt” KG had a better than Duncan. Duncan beat him in points, blocks and rebounds, although KG shot better and got more assists and steals.
    Personally, I thought KG had a better overall year just from watching them play. Duncan was still the better scorer, but KG seemed more efficient and he was clearly better on defense. However, it’s debatable, and I don’t have a big problem with KG being below Duncan. I disagree, but it’s not a big deal.
    Now, if we’re going back to the Iverson debate…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    The reason for the post:

    Let’s all blame Myles and Russ. :)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    NBK:NBA analysts also made Steve Nash MVP twice and he’s f*cking white!
    If you’re judging everything on awards,then you probably think that Ben Wallace is the best defender of all time.I wasn’t saying that he was better just because of numbers,but asked if TD averages 1 point and 3 rebounds more than KG with almost identical playing time,hoe can KG CLEARY have had the better season?I’m not saying that there isn’t an argument to be made for KG,just that yours is silly and obviously comes from a place where you place KG above Duncan regardless of logic.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Also, there is no criteria listed for the Top 50 in Lang’s post. Good times!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com bitches please

    kid presto: You know i am right about putting KG and Kobe together. I deff wouldnt hesitate to throw them on the same team…but now rankin KG as number 4 is becasue he is the only guy on the celtics that can handle the ball better then everyone else on his team but that doesnt make him good… come on you guys open up your eyes….

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    My bad. I meant to write that Izzo was right to say that it’s stupid to say that KG was “without a doubt” better than Duncan.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    This argument has been horrible. The Kobe/Lebron one is going to be the sudden death of all things internetty.

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    so you’re saying he’s not good? hmm…

  • http://www.slamonline.com bitches please

    Lebron shouldn’t even make the top 5…Kobe should be ranked the next 3.. Kobe # 3, Kobe # 2, Kobe # 1….

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    @ bitches of course.

  • Maria Callas

    @SLAM….:if you really love Lebron, you HAVE to put him at no3….

  • NBK

    IZZO you are straight up ignorant, the awards they come fromt the people that get paid to do this so i’m gonna trust them more than some racist ignorant. And two above that you just pointed out duncan scores 1 point more and gets 3 more rebounds but you didn’t point out the fact that duncan stands near the hoop the whole time he is in the game, im pretty sure it is easier to grab rebounds next to the basket then out defending the pick n roll, speaking of he doesn’t defend the pick n roll like KG not even close as previously stated. You also say i am not using logic when what i am saying is backed up by the awards you are so critical of and the fact that KG won the title last year and Duncan didn’t. The fact that KG’s Celtics beat the team that eliminated Duncan’s spurs should ring some kind of bell in your head

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    I don’t even like Kobe that much and I am one of his biggest jock riders(no homo) but LeBron is better than the man. we will get into that tuesday. slu.

  • Maria Callas

    @bitches….:you are like a breath of fresh air to this forum!!!!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Ding ding!

  • http://www.slamonline.com bitches please

    NBK: So what if duncan stands next to the hoop and so what if its easier to get points/rebounds from there.. he still gets 1 more point more!!!

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    Ducan has that wet jumper though.

  • NBK

    and looses two round earlier

  • http://www.slamonline.com bitches please

    @ Maria Callas: Thanks

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    OMG now Timmy should be penalized for hanging around the basket which is where someone who is damn near 7 feet tall should be anyway???? This is just getting silly..

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Marshmallows are made from the brains of manatees…..little known fact.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I’m not sure how we’re supposed to deliver some sort of cut and dried criteria. Would you all like a mathematical formula? I’m not John Hollinger and Myles isn’t David Berri. (If he is, I’m not talking to him ever again.) Did statistics play a role in all of this? Sure. Did previous achievement? For me, yeah—presuming all else was equal (as a tiebreaker, if you will), or if said past achievement continued to the present (like Nash’s string of 50-win seasons and 50/40/90 (or thereabouts) shooting). Consistency should be valued, in my eyes. Also, I feel like individual ability and winning—especially in the postseason—are more or less equally important when you get to the guys at the very top of the food chain. Scoring 25 ppg and being bounced in the first round every year just isn’t as impressive to me as someone who consistently leads their team deep into the playoffs, even if they average more like 19 or 20. Obviously the guys who do both are amongst the very best. Could some people have been higher and others have been lower? Sure. I don’t agree with every single ranking. But I think, for the most part, it’s very defensible.

  • Maria Callas

    @Kid Presto….:welcome aboard young man!!!!(it’s getting crowded here….)

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    Plus, KG likes to go outside because that he how he plays the game. If he wanted to stay inside and grab a couple of more rebounds a game, he would do it with ease. Duncan stays in the middle because that is his job: to punish inferior power fowards to the ground. KG does his job and Duncan does his. I don’t get into all the stats and sh*t when it comes to comparing those two. slu.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Soft pretzels….you know the ones you can get from a stand at your local mall……were originally created to try and put McDonalds out of business. True story.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Is there a such thing as “home field advantage”?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Also, I meant to say that some of the rankings were affected by good ol’ personal preference. If you want to call that bias, that’s fine. But it’s hard to be completely objective when you’re not an object. And after all, we’re SLAM, not Consumer Reports.

  • http://www.slamonline.com bitches please

    I agree with Kid presto There but KG is still over ratedddddddddddddddddddd!!!!!

  • Maria Callas

    @Russ…..:don’t you feel like a third grade teacher when you have to explain such basic-obvious things…? I feel this whenever i have to explain why Lebron,A.I.,Melo are what they are….

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    he’s right.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Russ, it doesn’t matter now….we’re almost at the end….and with the exception of Jukai….we all loved the ability to discuss the guys ranked every day, regardless of the ramblings of many…..speaking of….

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    “Ignorant racist”.I love me.

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    Fantasy wise, yes, bitches. He is very overrated. bastard cost me 20 bucks in the playoffs. slu.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Ita*ian soda’s are not really from It*ly!!! Can you believe that?????

  • NBK

    To those of you who are defending duncan as a better player by saying he had better statistics last year, i hope you realize that KG has had better stats his whole career and that means you would have to believe he had a better career then duncan, which he hasn’t but im just sayin

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    how come eastbay always puts nba teams sh*t on sale but the Lakers stuff is high as hell. conspiracy…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Statistics, shmatisitics….how about the Stylistics??? “You Make Me Feel Brand New”

  • NBK

    One way or the other if you think Duncan was better last year then you have to think that KG had a better career. But if your basketball educated and you know who has had a better career you can use that same exact logic to conclude KG was better last year thus being definitevly better right now

  • Maria Callas

    @EVERYONE….:if i had my way,statistics would have been illegal to anyone outside the coaching stuff and executives and generally people that know where are their limits….

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    I swear they are, eboy. Dude that’s a transfer student from Italy at my school is always talking about that sh*t. slu.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    lol nice presto!!! Duncan, above KG for sure. i like this one!! KOBE FOR PRESIDENT, I MEAN MVP!!

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    If “it doesn’t matter,” why did you feel the need to point out that there was no criteria presented? Sorry for trying to explain my thought process. I don’t know why I waste my time here at all.

  • Maria Callas

    @Eboy….:yeah….

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Peanuts aren’t nuts,they are peas….

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    That song plays at kroger everytime I scan groceries, eboy. I kind of like that old school jam.

  • Maria Callas

    SLAM FOR EVER!!!!!!FOR EVER?FOR EVER EVER…?FOR EVER EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    Im sorry mrs JACKSON, owwwww I am fo realllll!!! Never meant to make your daughter cry …..

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    explain yourself dude.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Silly man, I was trying to interject into the thunderstorm of stupidity that there was no criteria truly outlined from the jump, so that those of us who figured that out…..about 46 picks ago, can maybe try to get it through to the people here who seem to have been placed in the “marginally tiny thought producing” group at the beginning of life.

  • Maria Callas

    @Russ……:nothing better to do maybe….? or it’s cause you just LOOOVE ITTT!!!!!!

  • NBK

    One way or the other if you think Duncan was better last year then you have to think that KG had a better career. But if your basketball educated and you know who has had a better career you can use that same exact logic to conclude KG was better last year thus being definitevly better right now

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    He loves it … by it i mean penis!!
    Just joking Russ, dont go lyrically crazy on me!!

  • Maria Callas

    @James….:YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(SLAM 49 in da house YO!!!!!!!)
    Once again..:SLAM FOR EVER!!!FOR EVER EVER!!!!

  • Maria Callas

    @NBK….:One way,or another ,i’m gonna find you ,i’m gonna get ya get ya get ya..!!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    SLAM 49? What house?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    How about this…….just like Leborn/Kobe…..you can’t go wrong with picking between KG and Tim. Is that so hard?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    ba ba ba ba ba baram, ba ba ba ba ba baram, BABARAMMMMMMMM … take my HANDDDDD!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    *Lebron

  • Maria Callas

    “Maria has left the building….” (for now…)

  • NBK

    yep this is supposed to be definitive dont have the word definitive if you want to take a can’t go wrong approach because definitive is too definitive to be either or

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    Don’t insult my intelligence old man. this young grasshopper knows very much.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    Yes it is EBOY!! If Kobe is second … this list is worse than George going for a third term in office!!

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    You can go wrong if you take KG over TD. :P

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    Since this conversation between the lesser powers is pretty much finished, does anyone know how to do the birdwalk? slu.

  • NBK

    I like how when someone makes a point that proves every single person wrong the whole group moves to song and “can’t go wrong”

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I assume you meant that for me Presto Bismol? Notice I singled out no one in particular? Perhaps like the old game “Who smelt it dealt it” you felt like you needed to cover yourself? Yes???? I thought so….

  • Maria Callas

    James…..:ask Russ,he knows.
    “As we were listening to Stankonia roughly three times a day,there were Outkast references everywhere.”

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    You cannot tell me that George Bush was not the most entertaining president we have ever had. Well, I have had. Bill, what up!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    1)It’s the f*cking internet,there’s more important things to worry about.Like everything.
    2)Yes,I’m sure the slogan “The relatively criteria-less ranking of the top NBA players today based on the opinion of a select few knowledgeable people which will ineveitably be shot down by idiots who have trouble dressing themselves in the morning and a ridiculous sense of self-importance.”,would have gone done a treat.

  • Maria Callas

    for the last time tonight: SLAM FOR EVERRRR!!!!!

  • NBK

    you can insult all you want im bored at work and don’t give a fack i will argue until you swallow your pride and admit your wrong haha where is betcats he is atleast funny

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    …it was a joke. seriously, eboy. I know you weren’t talking to me because I have not been complaining about the criteria of this list at all. just having some fun. and yeah, you thought wrong.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    @presto – Bill was the man, check out the DVD soul and basketball!!
    @Maria – Stankonia is definitely a jam! And i still make outkast refrences daily… “how how how we love them hoes.
    @Co Co – TD over Duncan, KG only has aggressiveness over him, the rest in butter hand churned by TD!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    NBK, you’ve been wrong ALOT, kid….just saying. You made some fair points to be fair, but I just ventured into the netherworld, ’cause I was getting bored as fu*k reading the same arguments over and over and over and over and over…..Two Hall Of Famers, two of the top 5 power forwards ever, both champions…one mulitple…..unlike Co Co Crispy, you can not go wrong with one of these guys in your lineup.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Russ
    I appreciate you giving some criteria. Unfortunately, it seems like you all did not establish a set baseline and then judge everybody according to that baseline. Maybe that’s not how you all wanted to do it.
    I don’t mean like Hollinger or Berri, I just mean something like, “We’re not taking past accomplishments into play this is only about last year.” Or that you were going to take past accomplishments into play for everyone.
    It’s like some players got bonus points for being consistently great and dependable while other players didn’t. Of course, I felt the most egegrious example was the Baron, Melo and Gilbert rankings in relation to Iverson, but I’m sure other people have other examples.
    I guess when you change the value of things in midstream it creates confusion. If I could say “Oh, they gave more weight no matter what to last year” than it would just seem more fair to me.
    As it stands it seems like a hodgepodge of criteria and guidelines. Now, that’s to be expected when a whole bunch of people share their opinions, but I think some of it could have been avoided with more strict guidelines.

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    Ebizzle is still the man though…

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I just read what Russ wrote about personal bias.
    I now understand the Iverson ranking.
    Not because Slam is biased against Iverson, the mag has arguably been one of his biggest supporters, but I’ve read Russ’s comments for a while and I understand he has some serious gripes about how Iverson plays the game. That’s cool and it makes sense that some of that would be in the list.
    But, Baron, Gilbert and Melo? WTF.

  • NBK

    i havent been wrong once everything i have said has been backed up by some sort of proof except the KG would have more titles then duncan if they switched careers but there is no way to prove that

  • http://heavyasheaven.blogspot.com Kid Presto

    Hey allenp, will you write all of my AP english papers for me if I pay you 500 dollars? holler at me.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Presto Bismol is cool with me too.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    Co-sign AllenP!!!!!!

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    YOu know what?
    NBK’s comment at 3:34 made a lot of sense.
    If the big reason why Duncan has had a better career than KG is that he’s had more success in the playoffs and winning rings, than last year KG had more team success and should beat Duncan out. After all, they’ve always had similar stats and have always been peers talent wise. The big difference has always been team success. At least that’s what it has always seemed like to me. Duncan has carried his team to the NBA’s heights over and over again. KG didn’t do that. Last year KG did and Duncan didn’t.
    That was a good point NBK.

  • NBK

    its amazing that once i said
    One way or the other if you think Duncan was better last year then you have to think that KG had a better career. But if your basketball educated and you know who has had a better career you can use that same exact logic to conclude KG was better last year thus being definitevly better right now
    that no one argued that duncan was better last year because no one wants to admit that if they believe that then they are hipocrits, if i was wrong i would not be afraid to admit it i have done it before on this site, but i am not wrong and annoyed that people just argue for the sake of arguing

  • NBK

    thank you allen

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    NBK you said Duncan doesn’t affect the game anywhere but in the post and that he’s not a leader. It’s almost pointless to argue with someone who would say something that ridiculous.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I actually would have placed Iverson higher, and at one point refused to write his entry when I thought he was too low (he was initially even lower than 18th), but I guess Allenp knows me better than I know myself.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    NBK:I wasn’t saying that Duncan did in fact have a better season last year.I said that it was very close and your statement of @KG clearly had a better season’,was stupid-which it was.Take up reading comprehension before you light a victory cigar.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    But yes, blame me for everything. Please.

  • NBK

    he did clearly have a better year, if you think duncan clearly had a better career. eat your own words and to coco i never once said duncan was not a strong leader i said he doesnt rally the troops like KG. Last year being proof of that, and Duncan doesn’t affect the game away from the post. Duncan absolutely controls the post in every single game almost no matter who he plays but that still does not change the fact the Garnett transformed the Celtics won the title and clearly had a better season

  • Maria Callas

    @Russ…..:don’t worry, A.I. next year he will be at his right place…(out of the top-30 that is.. )

  • NBK

    The comfort for Duncan Co Co is that he doesn’t need to affect the game anywhere but down low that is why he is so effective he gets to focus on one aspect of the game, totally dominate it for the last decade and let his highly talented gaurds control the perimeter. It is not a knock on duncan to say he only effects the post it is merely a statement of fact. And when i originally said it i omitted when he plays the suns. SO you can’t use that three he hit against my argument

  • Maria Callas

    but i agree that you HAVE to do it slowly.So i will live with it(being top-20 that is) ..for the good of my beloved mag..

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    So you’re sticking with that assessment of Duncan? Again, arguing with you is pointless. Because Duncan doesn’t pound his chest and act like a lunatic he doesn’t “rally the troops” Are you kidding me?

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I thought Lang said that we should blame Russ and Myles for any problems? Since Myles stopped commenting a while back, that leaves you Russ…
    I assumed you agreed with Allen Iverson’s ranking based on your writeup. You said in the write up that he should have been lower. In my mind, that was a sign of some serious dislike of Iverson’s style of play. In your defense of the ranking you mentioned his failure to go further in the playoffs and his inability to co-exist with other players. You also said some stuff about the ranking being about right now, not 2001.
    Based on all that, I thought you agreed with the ranking and might have wanted him lower. That was an assumption on my part.
    Final note. It’s not impossible for somebody to know more about a person than they know about themselves even if there only interaction is through the internet. At different times I’ve seen most of the regular posters on this site make judgements about the character and intelligence of other posters based on their comments on this board. Those judgements are usually met with disagreement by the person they are directed towards, but that doesn’t automatically make them wrong. Sometimes people consider us differently than we consider ourselves and can see stuff about us that we would never notice because they have the proper perspective and none of the bias.
    I’m not saying I know all about Russ Bengtson, I’m just saying the snarky comment you made implied that there was no way I could no something about your personality that you yourself do not already know and that’s just not sensible.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    So,if like KG,a player takes waaay too many outside shots instead of focusing on where he’s most effective,that’s considered effecting the game from all around the court?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Again, if you think Duncan only affects the game in the post, you know nothing about basketball and your opinions regarding anything else are suspect. What about when people drop down to double him, opening up space on the perimeter for three-point shooters? What about when someone like Parker beats his man and drives the lane, yet Duncan’s man doesn’t help out, because he KNOWS if he does Duncan will score? Just because he primarily plays in the paint doesn’t mean he doesn’t affect the entire floor.

  • NBK

    He doesn’t turn an 18 win team into a champion, he doesn’t turn second round picks with less the 3 years of experience into solid role players, and he didn’t take control and win the title. KG did (rallying the troops like KG) being my point you can argue but i am not wrong KG is the best at “rallying the troops” in the NBA therefore duncan is not as good at it. He is a leader by example which is not the same

  • Maria Callas

    @Allenp….:when i read Russ’ response i thought about writing more or less what you wrote (on our ability to see ourselves) but i was lazy to do so and i didn’t want at this moment those “the guy thinks he is a genious” comments that i get here regularly. You don’t have such problems so simply THANK YOU.

  • NBK

    Duncan does all that from the POST russ i guess i wasn’t clear when i said what i said in a way i was wrong but i mean Duncan affects the game only from the post my fault for not defining what i meant better

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I’m not getting involved in more Iverson discussions, but I believe I also said in my writeup that he should have been higher. Re-read what I wrote, and believe what you want. As Shaquille O’Neal once had posted on his locker, IDGAF.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    1)He did not,Danny Ainge and Doc Rivers did.
    2)He did not,the role players did.
    3)He did not.If *HE* won the title-surely he would have gotten some sort of reward stating that he was the best player in the finals.

  • EC

    KG has also had alot more weight on his shoulders than Duncan and much worse talent. Before last year KGs best team was in 03 when he got MVP that team had T-HUD, SPREWELL, Olowakandi and Cassel. Thats not even close to the support Duncan has had, lots not forget that. Because the one thing Duncan has on KG is TEAM success cuz its a TEAM game and TD has had a much better TEAM

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    *self-edit*

  • NBK

    he won the title by getting a ring izzo, he also did change the entire culture of the celtics organization i am not making this up i am stating what is common knowledge in the NBA, and i am aware of who put the team together thank you but the unquestioned leader of the defending champion celtics is KG.

  • EC

    COSIGN Allenp. You kinda touched up on what i wrote yesterday about there not being strict guidelines for rankings and more of a personal preference and biased opinion. You can make anyone look bad if you focus on negetives and make anyone look great if you focus on positives

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    My eyes are now pouring blood. Good god.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    COSIGN EC ANDDDDD ALLENP

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    NBK you’re all over the place. The fact of the matter is the Celtics improved in many areas. Ray Allen was just as important an acquisition as KG. Their deciding to not include Rondo in the trade for KG was important. It took way more than just KG arriving. If he were as good as you say he was then Minny wouldn’t have sucked so bad, because let you tell it he can turn nobodies into somebodies. So if that’s the case then why all the losing in Minny?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    TAD, will you pleaseeeee stop using that bloody eyes line!!

  • NBK

    i just wish this list showed some sort of pattern to how the players were ranked it doesn’t even need to be criteria but using one reason to rank one guy ahead of another and then doing the exact opposite later on is very contradictory
    F.E. Baron of Iverson but Duncan over KG

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    He changed the entire culture of the Celtics organization? You mean the organization that won 16 Championships before KG and Ray Allen donned their jersey?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    *self-edit again*
    If someone else who actually works in the office wants to try and explain, they can go ahead. I’m done.

  • R.I.P. Knockout

    WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    HOW IS TIM DUNCAN ANYWHERE BETTER THAN KG?! TIMMY D HAS HAD A MORE THAN DECENT SUPPORTING CAST EVER SINCE HE’S BEEN IN THE LEAGUE. I ALWAYS TOLD PEOPLE…PUT KG ON THE SPURS WITH MANU, PARKER, AND AT 1 TIME DAVID ROBINSON, AND HE’D WIN JUST AS MANY IF NOT MORE CHAMPIONSHIPS THAN TIM DUNCAN! NOW ON THE OTHER HAND PUT TIMMY D ON THE T WOLVES TEAMS KG WAS ON AND HE PROBABLY WOULDN’T EXIT 1ST ROUND. WHEN KG FINALLY GOT THE PRIVELEDGE OF PLAYING WITH PLAYERS JUST AS TALENTED AS HIM,(SOMETHING TIN MAN HAS EXPERIENCED ALL OF HIS YEARS IN THE LEAGUE)HE DID NOT DISSAPOINT. AND DON’T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON HOW MUCH BETTER OF A PLAYER KG IS SKILL WISE…

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m sure they don’t Russ. I get the whole “objective” thing. Thanks for trying to improve the life of less fortunates. TGIF!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I think I may just go back to reading the mag only.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Russ
    My main impression of how you felt about Iverson was due to your comments defending the ranking. In the write up you said he should have been higher and he should have been lower. Your comments about why he should be lower were framed as if they were disproving those individuals that thought he should be higher. You ended the piece by saying he was right where he belonged. Obviously, I disagreed.
    But, I wasn’t trying to discuss why I thought Iverson was ranked wrong. I was trying to discuss a couple simple things that could have been done differently in ranking players that maybe would be considered the next time Slam does the ranking. That was my intention at least.
    Hopefully, whoever makes decisions about content on the site (I’m assuming Ben and Ryne) will take some of the criticisms about the ranking system into account. I’ve found many of the complaints to be similar, which I think means that a lot of people would be happy with only a few minor tweaks.
    It’s not a personal attack on anybody when I disagree with a random ranking of basketball player. It’s an intellectual exercise based around basketball. I have the same sort of discussions with my next door neighbor and the group of guys I hung out with in college. It’s what people do.

  • The Crook

    @Wang. 我期待波士顿凯尔特人也抵达中国。会是用于你的一件开心的事看见他们居住,经历公斤的强度第一手。Yes, I’m an international Baller.

  • Maria Callas

    it’s funny how “kids” need guidelines rules and patterns in order not to get lost….no NBK ,they didn’t list patterns or else we wouldn’t have those 12000 comments up to now and we would have missed all the fun… by the way: i told you that you made “the Lebron list” don’t i?….

  • EC

    LOL at R.I.P. I agree with you on a certain level. I just thought it was funny how you came out of nowhere and went off like a mad man in ALL CAPS. Thats whats up!

  • The Crook

    @ my English speaking brethren: I hope the boston Celtics make it to China also. It would be a treat for you to see them live and experience KG’s intensity first hand.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Please don’t do this again next year.Once every two years is all I can take.

  • Maria Callas

    @TADOne….:no , no ,please we need you and your “diamonds” here!!!
    @Crook…..:yeah!!!!

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I’m so sick of hearing the lack of supporting cast KG had. That’s the kind of cast you get when you take all of the team’s money. He didn’t have to sign that enormous contract which had he not would have left money for better quality players. I’m going to let you all in on a little secret. Great players want to be paid great player money and since Minny was giving KG all their money and in the process still having to fill out the roster it wasn’t going to happen. you tell me what great quality player was going to go there and play for peanuts when he could have made more money elsewhere. KG is a little bit responsible for the lack of talent in Minny. He just is.

  • Maria Callas

    no,no PLEASE do it again before the playoffs!!!!

  • NBK

    i dont know what the LeBron list is…..and if they had patterns people would still disagree with the rankings its human nature to question everything. I do not post on every ranking of this list just the ones that are obvoiusly to me not the definitive ranking of the best players in the league.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Co-sign Co Co.

  • NBK

    Co CO you just proved you know nothing about what happened in Minny. Although KG did sign a huge contract that caused the lockout he still did not take away all their money. The genius Kevin McHale can be blamed for the Cast Kg had, and the money issues can be attributed to the illegal signing of one overrated Joe Smith to the owners for offering Kg that money because ultimately he isn’t the one who thinks up the contracts and also to a terrible GM getting Terrible support.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Of course, Marbury wanting to go play closer to home also helped that along.

  • EC

    CALLAS- guidelines are for consistent rankings and not biased opinions and personal preference, which you obviously use when you critique players from what ive seen. P.S. Lebron would Crush any Euro Player from any time. Enjoy tip-off next Tuesday!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    OK, just a few more things. Then I’m closing this window. 1) I wrote my Iverson entry after he was ranked 18th. Obviously it was in my best interest (and in the best interest of the list) to justify said ranking. It didn’t matter where I felt he should be ranked, whether that was 12th or 37th. My job, as I saw it, was to explain why he was 18th. Does that make sense? I hope so. 2) If anyone can come up with a concise and precise and PURELY OBJECTIVE way to rank players as different as, say, Tim Duncan and Chris Paul, I would LOVE to hear it. So would MVP voters, who last I checked don’t have a set criteria either. 3) Hollinger’s projected PER had Iverson 19th next season. Pure stat geeks like David Berri (whose approach I think is essentially useless when it comes to basketball, BTW) would have ranked Iverson 73rd or so. I don’t think there are any “simple things” we could do that would make a lot of people happy. 4) I feel like every single time I come on here I wind up having to defend myself and explain things again and again. And to be honest, I don’t find it enjoyable at all. Maybe that’s why other SLAM folk don’t post as much anymore? I’m a glutton for punishment, I guess. But I’m trying to quit. Someday maybe I’ll even succeed. Now I know why Simmons doesn’t have comment threads on his posts.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    CoCo
    Don’t buy the hype on KG’s money. He did not make that much more money than Kobe or Shaq. I think he got two deals for $126 million and $120 million respectively. At the time they were outlandish, right now that’s what Bron and DWade will get on their next deals.
    Sure, KG ate up some cap space, but the real problems were the contracts given to Wally Word, Terrel Brandon, Trenton Hassell, Mark Madsen and Troy Hudson. Those were killers.
    There was also the issue of letting Chauncey walk in free agency, trading Cassell for Jaric, letting Sprewell walk and basically generally sucking.
    I really don’t believe the idea that Minny didn’t have any money so that’s why they sucked. The real truth is that Glen Taylor had a certain amount of profit he wanted to make and he wasn’t willing to sacrifice that to pay KG and pay several other players. And that McHale gave the money they did have to bums.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    NBK, when you are taking up like over half of the salary cap don’t expect a legitimate number 2 to walk thru the door. You get exactly the type of talent he had around him.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m sure that the one small omission Co Co made still doesn’t make up for all the dumb comments you have made here in the last 2 hours.

  • Maria Callas

    @NBK…..:it’s a list of people having said here that they would rank Lebron over Kobe. I made it in order to have it as a reference when i see somebody posting…you see one of the easiest ways to figure out if somebody has any clue on this game called bball or he just came across it through videogames is if they think Lebron is better than Kobe…don’t worry though,you got lots of company…

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Kevin McHale is horrible by the way.

  • NBK

    Russ your probably right there is not definitive way to rank the players and i personally appreciate you explaining your side of the story. It is just frustrating as a reader no see things that contradicts themselves. I would like a job at slam lol not really but i would just love to see the process of ranking the top 50 and to see the arguments you all must get into

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I think thats why Myles has been AWOL for awhile. Damn shame too. Come back Airington.

  • Maria Callas

    TADOne…..:i am begging you to stay and you give me instant satisfaction just by mentioning the name of my love MARBURY!!!!! you see now that we need you…??(at least i do)

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Objectivity is both an important and very difficult concept to pin down in philosophy. While there is no universally accepted articulation of objectivity, a proposition is generally considered to be objectively true when its truth conditions are “mind-independent”—that is, not the result of any judgments made by a conscious entity. Put another way, objective truths are those which are discovered rather than created. While such formulations capture the basic intuitive idea of objectivity, neither is without controversy.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Has Slam linked to that 73 year old that supposedly made a JUCO team?

  • EC

    I just checked Foxsports.com They have a list of the top 50 as well and they left of Ray Allen??? WTF

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Russ
    We’ll agree to disagree on this thing. I don’t think it’s possible to rank every player objectively because how we see players is based partially on our own criteria of what makes someone great. So, there will always be arguments.
    Like many other posters I thought some players got a boost for being consistently great and others did not. Some players got penalized for injuries, others did not. Those two issues bothered me for some reason. They didn’t seem to make sense. I don’t expect rankings based partially on opinion to be accepted without dissent but I don’t like weird double standards.
    Finally, I appreciate every writer who took the time to do a piece and I appreciate all of them that defended the rankings they wrote about.
    I try to be respectful when I disagree with folks who are respectful towards me.
    It’s just the internet and it’s just an internet argument. I, for one, think the website would be a lot less interesting if they didn’t allow comments or if they made everybody prove their worthiness to comment like other sites do. I know I’ve said the opposite of that in other threads, but that was just for effect.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    That was from Wiki. I thought it was a very good description of “objectivity” too.

  • Maria Callas

    i just can’t have enough of Marbury…..have they made special clinics for Starbury addicts somewhere..?

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    And as much as people hate when players complain about the talent or lack thereof it works in some cases. Since KG never ever tried to force the hand of Minny what was their motivation to get him better players? You can hate on the way Kobe behaved the other summer, but he made Mitch do something to make damn sure he wouldn’t spend his prime like KG did. Again, KG is partly responsible for the misery he went thru.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    BAN THE COMMENTS SECTION.
    -
    I realise I have said some stupid stuff in the past but never with the commitment and consistency some of these stupids have done since the list started.I think I’ll stick to commenting on college for a while.

  • NBK

    So Maria what your telling me is that Professional NBA analyst that put their entire livelehood behind knowing NBA basketball that say LeBron is better than kobe dont have any clue what their saying? Your the most ignorant person on this site for making a LeBron list, and then when LeBron wins the MVP this year your list is gonna grow to everyone outside of ignorant laker fans and people who can’t swallow their pride.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    2 weeks tops, izzo. It’s like a drug. You’ll be back to buy.

  • Maria Callas

    EC…..:he would definitely crash them if they had to wrestle…although he is a little bit coward from what i saw on the game with Australia….you see muscles ain’t all you need in those cases….

  • EC

    I cant wait for tmrrws rank. If its lebron or Kobe and TD makes the top 2. Im gonna die laughing at how many people attack this board at once

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    We’ll see,TAD.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Coco
    I wouldn’t feel the way I feel about KG if he behaved like Kobe. KG gets the love he gets because he behaves the way he has behaved. No star player in the NBA begrudged KG his first or second massive contract. (Except Steph.)
    KG didn’t start complaining and demanding a trade because that’s not how he thought a player should behave. I kind of agree with him although I’m an outspoken advocate of players speaking their minds.
    Do we really want every great player to act like Kobe?

  • Maria Callas

    @TADOne…..:tell me that you were afraid that maybe we would have thought that you actually wrote it….just tell me this…

  • EC

    please Callas. you and i know what the outcome would be. Name one Euro player that could contain James and outplay him on both ends of the court and i’ll call you a liar

  • NBK

    If duncan is ranked ahead or Kobe and LeBron i am going to start my own publication i don’t care about its success

  • EC

    CO CO i agree KG is partially to blame for the lack of support. But i was just saying if he did have the support TD had then it would be a whole different story. Im not disagreeing just saying what couldve been but we’ll never know

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Of course, I threatened the same thing 30 minutes ago izzo, so I should probably stop being contradictory.
    Nikos: With some of these comments, I do wonder.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    He didn’t have to go about it the way Kobe did, but he still could have put some pressure on them to get better people in there. He was their best player and making a King’s ransom. When you have that kind of leverage you use it. It didn’t have to get nasty, but he should have demanded more. And back to the money thing. Didn’t Timmy take less money even though it was still an enormous amount? See, he knows that in order to keep a consistently good team the team needs to be able to pay good players and good players don’t play for cheap. Look at Gil he did the same thing. lol

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m glad that the Duncan piece (maybe?) will be posted on Saturday and i’ll be busy and away from the computer.

  • Maria Callas

    H…..:you have said some “great” stuff here but PLEASE stick around cause i got a feeling that you still have loads to offer..!!!(along with TADO,Teddy,hursty,NBK,EC,JUKAI and many more)

  • Maria Callas

    TADone…..:next piece to be posted is Lebron. Trust me, SLAM fears NOBODY!!!!!

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    CoCo
    You are making a good argument.
    Tim took less money because management came in with a plan showing how it was going to spend money over the next five years and what type of players it was going to sign. They said they could do most of it even if he took the money, but he would help a lot if he didn’t. That’s how you do things and I’m pretty sure Kevin McHale didn’t do that.
    My point was that the T-Wolves and the media have floated the idea that KG’s money was the albatross, but it doesn’t make sense. The Lakers had two players making KG money. Washington is going to have THREE max players soon. Something doesn’t add up.
    Sure, the T-Wolves are a small market team, but they have spent money. It’s just on players like the ones I named earlier. The problem in Minny wasn’t KG’s contract it was general incompetence.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Anyway, its Friday and real life beckons. Everyone have a safe and happy weekend.

  • Maria Callas

    EC…..:check my 3:29 comment. But any way:NOBODY has to stop him cause bball is a TEAM game!!!surprise-surprise!!! (now go to wiki as TADO did to find the meaning on the term TEAM)

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Nikos
    You ever wonder if the European dependence on a strictly team philosophy to defense has hurt their ability as individual defenders? Just curious. Euro teams do a great job of clogging the lane and helping on defense but they horrible at staying in front of player individually. What’s up with that?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    alright, one more time….Has Slam linked to that 73 year old that supposedly made a JUCO team? surely a 73 year old swingman has to be more controversial than KG being number 4 on this list..

  • Maria Callas

    @NBK….4:59pm:it’s a great start if you don’t care about it’s success….

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Allen no one will mistake Kevin Mchale for being a competent GM which highlights even more how the contract affected things. When you have someone as inept as that running things you have to make it as easy as possible. You can’t ask McHale to get creatve and build a roster. He needed funds available to sign as close to a sure thing as he could get. He’s not smart enough to go out and get good midlevel players. lol

  • Maria Callas

    i ain’t entering a Euro-american comparison and take it as you want….

  • Maria Callas

    i can asure you though that defences here are tougher to score than the NBA….

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    CoCo
    You did a good job. Particularly that last point. We shall agree to disagree because ultimately I see this as a byproduct of profit margins and media spin. I pretty much always side with labor in any disagreement.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    hi all, just want to point out the Farmer Jones was prophetic at predicting this post hitting 400.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I side with labor too, but when you are dealing with a McHale type its unreasonable to ask him to split up KG’s salary between 12 other quality players. It won’t happen.

  • Maria Callas

    this one was for Farmer pal….

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    It’s tough with KG, because one would think had the NBA not instituted the salary rules they did, they would have been able to give Marbury a KG-esque deal and things could have worked out a lot differently. As it was, KG wound up with a maxer-than-max deal that NO ONE ELSE could get, Steph got upset and left, and McHale got stuck trying stopgaps. Can you fault him for failing? Sure. But at the same time, I think you have to give him credit for trying. It’s foolish to think the Wolves could have spent money like the Lakers. And if the Wolves didn’t draft like the Spurs, what of it? Who did? As for the guys he did bring in, Szczerbiak made the All-Star team. Spree? They tried to extend him, he decided the offer was an insult, and he hasn’t been seen or heard from again except in bankruptcy court. Chauncey? Yeah, they let him go. So did Denver. And Boston gave him away, too. It’s not like he was any sort of sure thing. His biggest mistake (and it was a doozy) was the whole Joe Smith fiasco. That hurt them a lot more than any other single move. Or lack of one.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Kevin Garnett is “labor”? Man, I need a blue-collar gig, pronto.

  • j-smoov 5

    Great article. So who’s in the top 3? 1. Kobe Bryant 2. Lebron James 3. ???

  • Maria Callas

    i might take McHale over Duncan all-time (maybe…)

  • Maria Callas

    @j-smoov….: no3 is Calderon.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Russ
    The amount of money you make doesn’t preclude your from being labor. NBA players just like NFL players are paid labor. We are reminded of that often when management makes a “business” decision. Most skilled laborers, licensed plumbers, electricians and carpenters, make more money than many newspaper journalists. So, I used the word labor because from what I’ve seen about the interactions between NBA management and the players, it’s an apt description.
    Y’all are right that McHale had a tough job with the KG deal. But, my theory is that the players he signed did not work. And I don’t care what you say about Wally making the all-star game Russ, he was not worth the contract McHale gave him. He has proven that over and over and even at the time the contract was laughed at by many NBA folks.
    Evaluating talent and deciding on signings is McHale’s job, he did a piss poor job at it in my mind. Ndubi Ebi? KG’s job was to consistently be great on the basketball floor.
    He did his job.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    j-smoov, Tim Duncan.

  • Maria Callas

    @Allenp…..:don’t punish McHALE for reading SLAM!!! if i remember correct the brilliant Ndubi had a whole article written on him….!!!

  • Maria Callas

    MOOOOSEEE in da house!!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    So Tom Cruise is labor? Julia Roberts? Jay Leno? Here’s the thing: if you’re a business owner, your income is based on your management. Things can go right, things can go wrong. But if you’re an NBA player, or an actor, your money is GUARANTEED. Kevin Garnett gets his $20 million per year whether he averages 20 points or two. Tom Cruise gets his $20 million a movie if it makes $300 million or $300 thousand. Their jobs—and salaries—are safer than that of your average CEO. KG—or any other player with a guaranteed deal—could have the crappiest season in NBA history, and IT DOESN’T MATTER. They’re getting their money no matter what. That’s why I have issue with their being “labor.”

  • Maria Callas

    Who is your “no1″ today cool..?

  • LA Huey

    I’m just glad the basketball Gods finally led KG to an NBA team with pride.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Yeah, he is, Maria Callas. Thanks for the love.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    And thanks for the not-quite-love. And I said, I only changed it one day. And here it is, if you really wanna know. I think it’s Lebron, but I think Kobe will go first on this list.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    Is this the most comments now, does it beat Gil???

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Did anyone else hear that Stoudemire dislocated his pinky? Get on it, SLAM!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    I’m out. Friday nite, so I ain’t coming back. Be good, y’all! Peace!

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    We posted about the Amare thing yesterday, I think.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Russ
    Lots of jobs have guaranteed contracts. And CEOs have it so good that when they eff up and get fired, they get paid to be fired.
    Sure, it’s hard to think of uber-rich people as being labor. But, they are part of a union, they bargain collectively.
    If the really rich and talented refused to belong to unions it would hurt poor people more. I think KG would be cool whether the NBA had a union or not, but some random veteran or rookie trying to catch on might have a problem. Given the history of how professional sports teams treated their players before they had a union I think it’s been well established that these players are laborers like everyone else. The only reason they now make crazy wages is because the entities they bargained with also saw their profits increase.
    My definition of labor was simply a workforce that has organized into a union. And I think that the amount of money you make, or whether it is guaranteed, doesn’t have a real impact on whether you are labor.

  • Maria Callas

    Moose,Moose,…you know i always write crap. don’t bother at all,i was just joking…you cleared it out though …and you made the “Lebron list” as a side effect but don’t worry,as the one and only Fyodor wrote at the last sentense of “the player” :tomorrow,tomorrow everything will end!!!

  • tealish

    So this Kevin Garnett is a pretty good player, eh? Other guys I think can play are: LeBron, Duncan, and Kobe.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Hold on, before I go . . . “Maria”, you’re Nikos, aren’t you. NOW I’m gone.

  • Maria Callas

    Lebron can play football.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Kevin Garnett SUCKS……….just kidding, but now that i have your attention, Skip is not guilty.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    *officially not guilty

  • Maria Callas

    @Moose….:no i am NADIA!!oh no wait,i am Panagitis, or…no,no!! i am Antonis, Theo,or maybe Kostas Tsartsaris…..

  • Maria Callas

    @Moose…..:by the way: read “the player” ten years from now…(a hint: he wasn’t playing bball but he was a really interesting guy)

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    NBA players have to get paid to get fired, too. See: Rose, Jalen and Taylor, Maurice.

  • Maria Callas

    thank god i don’t have NBA players as employees….

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Maurice Taylor use to be a solid swingman.

  • Maria Callas

    good night!!! and SLAM FOR EEEVER,if you don’t mind, I’M STACK FOR EEEVER in your MIND,your mind,your mind….

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    the craziest day of comments eva! i wasted 12 good minutes reading them.

  • EC

    BETCATS i wasted twice that time (special shout out to Nikos…. I mean Maria)

  • EC

    Isaiah Thomas OD’d at his house, probably from reading these comments

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    EC that is not something to get silly about.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    What BET … so did these comments beat gilberts?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    BETPU$SY

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Really? Duncan number 3? I know he’s f*cking insanely good, but give the champ his props! Actually, I would’ve put CP3 in at 2 or 3, but whatever.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    WETCAT

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    lol Teddy … we dont need your comments. Its already been decided … no one can change the list. Russ got upset enough and now we are all fine with the way SLAM did things!!!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ James: Please, shut up for a second..

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    @Teddy – I want your mtohers ratbox!!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Just for a second, that’s all.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Yeah James, shut up for a bit longer, you sound high on some sh!t. Thanks.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Okay James, well I agree about the SLAM thing, it is settled and the list isn’t going to change. I do know that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    @Teddy … i had a nightmare about you. People were excited to read your comments and you were rated above BET for top 5 SLAM commentators. pretty scary stuff … but than your mother woke me up and rubbed my back and i fell right back asleep!!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Cool, I be out.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    @teddy- im high on life son!

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Wait, just read you comment James. Who the f*ck ranks SLAM commenters. You and your g@y e-buddies? Okay, leave me it out of it, thanks h0m0.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, James, you sound like a ret@rd. Okay nuff said, peace and shut up!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Thank god for teddy the bear. Only person who will stay my oponet yet demand my mutal respect at the same time. And James what the fu(k are you talking about. WETCAT? BETPu$$Y? as Eminem said to Stan in the Eminem song Stan “whats this we should be together too crap? Thats the king of sh!t that makes me never want to meet you”. (yes i just quoted a white rapper, i am now 15% more wh@ck i know i know, but the man Shaddy could spit, sorta)

  • Bruno

    James The Balla says:
    Yes it is EBOY!! If Kobe is second … this list is worse than George going for a third term in office!!
    hauhauhahauahu, that was very good!
    .
    i just came back cause i’m really glad to see Russ saying AI should’ve been higher.
    Allen Iverson is the only player in the world that i don’t care if he wins a ‘chip or not, he was plain GREAT.everything he already did is more than enough for me.
    if Iverson never win a ‘chip… too bad for the NBA. i have him as #9!
    yes… top 10!
    i would rather have him before i have Paul Pierce in ANY PLANET.
    and something that i know a lot of people would complain… i rather have TEAM Duncan than Lebronha choker… ANY DAY, ANY TIME…
    1 – Kobe, thats just undisputed. look at this guy stats all those last years, look at his hands and the rings. he has been NBA’s best for quite a long time and now, last season he was MVP, NBA finalist out of that craaazy WEST CON. how can you say somebody else is better than him?
    2 – TEAM, the ROBOT
    3 – Lebron (and i really hope that 2009 will prove DWADE and CP3 are better than him too)

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    Thanks Bruno … BEt, im bored as fack at work so i thought i would make fun of your name son!! Dont get sour!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    Only joking … man i need a life. Teddy, hire me as your ghostwriter!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    And where is Jukai, im guessing he is actually done posting on this list?

  • http://tdot.com T

    thtjf

  • Anton

    if Kobe doesn’t get 1000 responses I’ll be angry

  • cozza

    how can you put tim duncan above kg?
    kg is one of the most likeable, honest, passionate people you will ever see play basketball, whilst tim duncan is a complete tool who is overrated like…there is nothing to compare. hang on…like tony parker is.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ cozza: Tim Duncan is overrated? Okay now I’ve heard them all.
    For the first time ever, and I mean EVER: Co-Sign BETCATS @ 7:25. That Eminem quote was really quite fitting to what James has been doing today… I think he’s a little high.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Okay I don’t feel like arguing.
    Tim Duncan deserves to be in the top 5. I’m a little unsure of top 3, but top 5 most definitely. So I won’t complain too much about his placement.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Hey y’all! Moose is back and better than ever . . . for a coupla minutes. Whaddya got that’s entertaining that we can talk/argue about?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Just to bring up something random, I’m playing a fantasy bball league with my friends, and here’s my lineup:
    Dwyane Wade
    Kevin Martin
    Al Jefferson
    Kevin Garnett
    Josh Smith
    OJ Mayo
    Emeka Okafor
    Greg Oden
    Gerald Wallace
    Michael Beasley
    Derrick Rose
    Samuel Dalembert
    Francisco Garcia
    I say I’m nasty, what do y’all say?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    An eight team league. I’m gon’ dominate.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    I’m out everyone. Tell me what you think about my team, see y’all later.

  • Bruno

    i say you have a very good team, but u’ll need lucky…
    oden gerald wallace, wade okafor… all them staying healthy?
    i have a lot of faith in OJ Mayo… i just hope he doesn’t go crazy living in such a boring place,,,

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Moose you have a young and productive team. That roster is crazy. I updated my site. I have been on AIM with my girl all night. I am done now. Peace!

  • Kamran

    does dis mean tim duncan is in tha top three????!?!? if yes gay top 50

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com/ RV

    Moose: Garcia is out for 2 weeks, both beasley and Rose may not do too well early on, Rose may only be average most of the season, for an 8 team league i think there’s probably more consistent guys in your free agent pool. Delembert’s stats are gonna dip now that Brand will play next to him, especially his rebounding/blocks, not by too much, but still. Your FT shooting might suffer because Okafor sucks, Al, Wallace, Oden, and Rose are all right at about 70%, which is decent in the league, but low for fantasy basketball. You only have about 3 guys who shoots 3s, so your total 3s made might be low. Sorry didn’t meant to sound too negative about your team, but pointing out the flaws should help you out more, but you’ll get a lot of steals, rebounds, and blocks.

  • BBAller

    With some time before season kicks off how about a quick all time list( by positions)
    Centers:
    S.O’neal
    H.Olojawon
    D.Rob
    Power Forwards:
    T.Duncan
    K.Garnett
    K.Malone
    Small Forwards:
    S.Pippen
    Dr J
    Lebron
    S.Guards:
    MJ
    Kobe
    Points:
    Magic
    J.Stockton
    I’m a beleiver that Wilt, Bill Russell and the like were achievers back in the day but wouldn’t outshine modern pros.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Moose, your team is nice, but why do you have Fancisco Garcia?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Money Bill Williams

    i’m glad i have been out of the loop for a coupla weeks, coz my intelligence has gone down by reading these comments

  • Maria Callas

    @Money…..:ti kaneis filarako..!!!!

  • http://nba.com ninja cool

    Man, TDunc’s article’s taking some time. Unlike the one who did KG’s who wanted it over with quickly…

  • ClydeSaid

    Crazy: “The man is a fire-breathing dragon of intense ridiculousness that would eat your screaming baby alive if you left it in the paint by accident.” -

    Doesn’t KG seem CRAZIER now that he’s got talent behind him? Somehow I thought he’d cool down his act. Maybe it’s because he had more to celebrate in one season in Boston than he ever did in Minny.

    Is KG better than TD? Maybe recently, but Timmy gets the nod in the history books, even if KG snatches another ring or 2.

  • Mark Z

    I was watching the pre season game Jake mentions. KG was ALL OVER P OBryant in EVERY time out. Right up in his face. No sideways comments from the bench, or angry comments after a blown play. Just cheering, screaming, coaching, preaching all the time.

    Incredible. You think he would have mellowed with a better team around him, but he went in the opposite direction. He seems crazier now than he ever did before.

  • earljack

    Garnott runs from the ball n the finals,Duncans runs to the ball.Point made!

  • http://nba.com ninja cool

    And O’Bryant had the balls to give KG some ‘tude. What I’d give to get locker room footage.

  • Wang

    Hello everyone~
    Ni men hao!

  • Majic

    duncan 3rd kobe 2nd lebron 1st

  • earljack

    Check all of San Antoinios playoff games when facing ellimination and youll see why timmy is the greatest PF ever.Evan if they lose the game(which they rarely do)youll see his numbers are sick across the boards.Cant imagine Garnott hitting a backboard 3 to send a game into overtime as timmy did on Phoenix or a fall away 22 footer with Shaq all over him with 3 tics left in the 04 playoffs.Ray Allen or Paul Pierce yes but not KG.

  • Orlando Green

    TD better than KG………ahahhahahaha

  • Orlando Green

    Lebron will definitly not be first….based on the fact that duncan is so high…it looks like the list is based on past merits…Kobe will be #1…..which is where he should be

  • TimMAY

    Tim Duncan is the greatest big man to ever play the game and will go down as the best player of all time if the Spurs can string together a few more titles. lmfao Kg isn’t even the best player on his team.

  • frodo88

    bs, KG over duncan any day.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/columnists/absence/2008/10/slamonline-top-50-kevin-garnett-no-4/#comment AndyK

    Kevin Garnett is the greatest basketball player to ever walk the earth not named MJ!!!
    KG should be at #1!!! and yes I’m from MN

  • B.I.G.

    AndyK, KG is great, but not the greatest. Probably the most enthusiastic. Kobe is the next best thing to Micheal Jordan.

    KG deserves this. But I think he should be #3. Celtics have KG, PP, And RA. Spurs have TD, MG, and TP. Manu and Parker are ranked 14 & 21 in this. While Pierce and Ray are ranked 7 & 35. What would a coach rather have. 2 players ranked 14 & 21, or 7 & 35? It’s pretty obvious 14 & 21 are better then 7 & 35. Then how did the Celtics win the championship, even though Greg Poppovich is known as one of the best coaches in NBA today? Simple, they had Garnett. If Spurs have Greg Popovich, Manu, Parker, A pretty solid bench, Bowen, and Tim Duncan, Obviously KG is better then TD to give them that advantage.

  • Frodo

    Just trying to get to 500 comments.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/columnists/absence/2008/10/slamonline-top-50-kevin-garnett-no-4/#comment AndyK

    B.I.G. yes, great point

  • Frodo

    Yes, Kobe #1. Thats how it should be.

  • Frodo

    Almost at 500.

  • frodo88

    How come no one posts anymore. KG is gonna get to 500.

  • http://www.youtube.com/mandiixoxo Amanda

    KG looks like the man thats eaten a screaming baby or two-
    or five.
    *gulps*

  • http://celticknightk3@aol.com Celtic Knight

    Overall KG is better than TD. TD may be slightly better in the paint but I beg the differ when its outside shooting and defense. Even on the all time 50 list they put TD over Larry Legend so you guys know this is so illogical and set up to get us fight over who is supposed to be in the right sequences. Oh by the way Celtics will stomp on Lakers in the Finals of 2010!

  • A KG fan from China

    As a loyal fan of KG’s,I expect a higher rank to KG,and we all know he has that ability.I love his passion,his attitude,his skills,of course his personality!He leads,and will lead my life!

    And,I think,this ranking should not only include every player’s basketball skills,but also his personality.So,I don’t think Kobe should rank NO.1.As known,he only has good skills,just so.

  • luvbrahms

    Hi everyone. I am from china too.
    imo, kg is a great player, but there’s no way he’s better than TD except in 2004season. It’s ridiculous that TD has not got a DPOY while KG had one.
    TD might be among the all time top 10, and KG could make it top 25

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