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Friday, October 3rd, 2008 at 8:00 am  |  291 responses

SLAMonline Top 50: Tony Parker, no. 21

The definitive ranking of the best players in the NBA today…

by Jake Appleman

Basketball is a game of flow and movement. It’s a strange combination of dance and science. Point guards, especially good point guards, lead this dance/science, creating the initial actions that often dictate long sequences of play, and the corresponding reactions. Tony Parker is one of these good—very, very good, in fact—point guards.

He might not have the savvy of Nash, the slobbering-at-the-feet-of-his-game-like-he’s-a-basketball-Buddha respect of Kidd, the bull doggedness of D-Will, or the explosive omnipotence of CP3, but he’s right there with those guys at the top of the point guard class, and he’s gotten better grades in winning than any of them.

Despite the fact that his digits would indicate that he took his 3-ball—along with the judiciousness that comes with taking said 3’s—and broke it, it’s a relatively small sample size, so we won’t really dwell. What we will dwell on is that in game 3 of the Conference Semis, with his team staring down a 0-2 hole, he dropped 31 and 11, putting a damper on CP3 and his team’s Honeybuzz. That win began the 4 out of 5 resurgence that would be the highlight of his squad’s season, approximately a year after TP was named Finals MVP.

Parker, and the blistering speed that is part and parcel of his penetration’s dominance, is a vital cog in the NBA’s most consistently well-oiled machine. That’s not to be taken lightly. His ability to put the ball in the basket at a 50 percent clip sets the efficient tone for the rest of his squad. He ignites an underrated fast break when the Spurs do run and, as mentioned above, initiates flow sequences beneficial to the rest of his teammates, be they Tim Duncan in the post or Bruce Bowen releasing a corner three ball.

What would be the point of a muderous robot destroyer if it didn’t have the speed to chase you down in the back of an alley and ram its physical violence down your throat as it matter-of-factly beat the crap out of you.

(Apropos of nothing relating to the rest of this post, he and his wife, Mexican-American desperate housewife, Eva Longoria, are reportedly expecting their first child, Speedy Gonzalez Longoria Parker, this spring.)

And while the squad may be aging, it’s an odd year and people are sleeping on the Spurs again. Would it be out of the realm of possiblity for TP to pick up a second NBA Finals MVP trophy?

Nope.

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  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Im sorry, but Tony Parker is just not the 21st best player in the NBA as of right now.

  • Bran

    Tough to place a player like Parker imo…His game is pretty unique

  • krasimir

    no way parker over bosh.

  • scott

    Tony Parker = overrated.

  • Tombomb

    Good post and i think you are right, he is not better than Paul, Nash, Kidd or Williams but he is very very good and is deservedly high in this list.

  • Clockwork

    Tony effin Parker? Over Bosh? And Brand? And Joe Johnson? Seriously? Come on. Yes he’s very quick and a very good scorer, but damn this is high for him. He should be penalized based on his rap “career” alone.

    That Speedy Gonzalez line was dope though

  • matt the jazz fan

    agree that he shouldn’t be as high up as bosh. but he beats kidd hands down. so it probably evens out.

  • T Money

    Tony Parker is not better than Caron Butler

  • T Money

    Tony Parker is not better than Chauncey Billups

  • T Money

    This has to be the most controversial rating to date

  • T Money

    This has to be the most controversial rating to date

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Not a chance SLAM. Really, not at 21.

  • T Money

    I guess having a ring counts for a lot on this list

  • Spurs on 09

    don’t get it twisted….TP could EASILY average 25 ppg, 8 assist, and 2 steals if he had the offensive freedom of Monta Ellis.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    I wholeheartedly disagree with this ranking. That’s all.

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    he has 3 rings, that’s enough to overcome those player who you guys has mention before…

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    plus, he’s a final mvp

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Robert Horry has what, seven? Does that make Robert Horry the best player in the NBA? C’mon now, Parker is a great scoring point guard, but he is lacking in most any other area. He has those rings because of Duncan and Ginobli. Sorry Simone.

  • Funkdoc

    can you even compare tony to bosh?
    Tony parkers sure is better than Kidd nowadays.
    I put tony over kidd everyday, maybe over d-will. I don’t know if it would make that much difference if the spurs and jazz switch guards. Tony doesn’t get the assists like other top point guard, but on the other hand not a lot of pg’s shoot at 50 percent. I think if Tony Parker wants to score 30 in a game, he can easily do it at 42 procent.

    And btw, the fact the spurs won those chips, has more to do with tony than you’d think. Not all the credit goes to Duncan.

    21 is his spot

  • T Money

    I’m cancelling my subscription

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    It has to be that NBA live cover that got y’all cats confused.

  • Shu

    hmmm…. Bosh’s dominance is more recent in our memory due to the Olympics, but this seems about right.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    The only person on this list that Parker is better than to me is Billups. Basically they’re both equally overrated.

  • http://slamonline.com My opinion matters

    I dont like the guy but he is rightly ranked and to be truthfully honest could even be ranked higher…the numbers dont lie…the rings dont lie…and before you say he has had the fortune of having Duncan and Ginobili…lately it has been them that have hopped on his back…the guy can flat out play…fearless…can compete with any of the elite point guards in the league…I remember one year he actually lead the league in points in the paint for most of the season.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    How well did he play against the Lakers, My Opinion Matters?

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Tony is really good. :)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    He’d have been alright at #31.

  • Shu

    Cuz I’m bored… guess for the rest of the list:

    Kobe
    Lebron
    CP3
    KG
    Amare
    DWill
    Wade
    Duncan
    PP
    Melo
    Gil
    Nash
    Dwight
    Manu
    BDiddy
    Boozer
    TMac
    AI
    Yao
    Dirk

  • http://slamonline.com My opinion matters

    So your going to put his whole career into one series…How did Chris bosh (the guy everyone is saying is better then him) play against Orlando….not to well

  • http://slamonline.com My opinion matters

    So your going to put his whole career into one series…How did Chris bosh (the guy everyone is saying is better then him) play against Orlando….not to well

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Didn’t Bosh have a 40 point game against Orlando? The point was, Tony Parker scores a lot because Duncan/Manu get double teamed. He has an amazing handle and good offensive court vision so he knows when he has that lane to drive. The Lakers plan was to smother Parker instead of Duncan. That pretty much did it for the Spurs.

  • http://slamonline.com My opinion matters

    Oh yeah…the is no way that they would have beat the hornets…with Duncan playing the absolute worst ball of his life and Ginobili hoppled with his ankle…without Tony stepping up!!!

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Well, he did, but the Hornets game plan was still to crowd Duncan and put their best defender on Ginobli. Don’t get me wrong, Parker is one of the best offensive point guards I have seen in recent memory. But he’s a bit overrated because of who he has on his team.
    If we were judging Parker solely on how well he plays against Phoenix, he’d be number six or so on the list.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Shu has it. I pretty much agree with all of that.

  • http://slamonline.com My opinion matters

    Yeah and they lost 4-1 to Orlando..lol…what were his stats those other games…look them up..I’ll wait…Dwight completely owned him…he had that 40 because if he didnt then they would have got swept!!! I’ll take Tony over Chris bosh anyday!!! and the fact you said there plan was to smother parker so they could win shows you how valuable he is…teams that try to win usually try to make it hard for the biggest threat on the opposite team and they viewed Tony as that!

  • T Money

    SLAM, this ranking just cost you $12.97

  • http://slamonline.com My opinion matters

    @Jukai…you can say that about a lot of guys…is pierce overrated…nash even…Tony is a problem and it’s going against everything I stand for defending this guy but facts are facts…oh yeah, i hate Chris bosh even more though…he reminds me of a slightly more athletic Vin Baker…I HATED Vin Baker!!!

  • Shu

    Don’t worry I just renewed for 2 yrs and 21.95, so yall made $9 between TMoney and I

  • Shu

    “My opinion matters” is by far the best screenname EVER…

  • WOOOZE

    @Shu, No way The Truth is above Dwight

  • Shu

    Finals MVP vs no offense and worse than Shaq at free throws? I’m OK with it. In 2 years you’re prolly right but RIGHT NOW I think so

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    You know, Tony being listed horribly at #21 can’t be bigger news than Jamal Tinsley being traded to the Nuggets, can it?

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Facts are really facts: Tony Parker averaged 18.8 points and 6.6 assists during the regular season. Every other stat he has is nominal. He shot under 500% from the field and under 300% from the three point line. Not very good. Let it be said, his stats raise DRASTICALLY during playoff time. Still, this was his best year and even they were sort of average with 22.4 and 6 assists, every other stat being nominal (mostly do to his poor showing in the Lakers games). For the Spurs, he’s a below average defender, he can run a decent fast break but usually will get lost in constant ball movement in the half-court offense (He is no DWill) and his offensive DEPENDS on being opened. Once the Lakers put a hand on him and he couldn’t get to the basket, it was over. Yes, the fact that they did decide to put a hand on him means a lot but… he wasn’t able to get around it. And the Lakers didn’t exactly have rock solid point guard defenders. Why did you ask me about Pierce and Nash?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Im not sure if Shu’s list is entirely in order, but I agree with all the players listed in it.

  • jasonjoyce

    overrated,parker ranks at most 40…his layup is really unique,so u can hardly defense both him and manu.but he can’t be much better

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Tony is a good pg, he does everything right. And his first step is amazing. Good spot for him, but he should have been about 20 spots higher then Bosh… lol.

  • T Money

    *Furiously throws his SLAM headband to the ground and stomps out of his cubicle*

  • http://www.twofistedpress.com Pve84

    I think I have to agree with all the hate going on here. Don’t get me wrong, Parker is talented no doubt and is certainly one of the best finishers in the league at the basket, but he is the third option between the ever-present force of Tim Duncan and the free-wheeling madness of Ginobili. I hate seeing Parker compared to the minor deity, CP3, the aging deity, Nash, and the strong talent of Deron Williams because with the exception of Nash, neither of these points have been blessed with working alongside two offensive juggernauts like Parker has. Sure CP3 has West and sometimes Chandler but he MADE West and Chandler what they are today. Deron Williams really only has Boozer. Although Nash has been surrounded by talent since being in Phoenix, my man is surreal offensively and has proven capable of playing and leading numerous times. I don’t think Parker is in the same category as these guys although he may prove himself a bit more these first few months with Ginobili out…

  • Shu

    @Eboy: Jamaal Tinsley’s been dead to me since 2006. And who ever Denver plays at PG they’ll be the same or worse w/o Camby. This ranking seem way more noteworthy.

  • Shu

    TMoney wears a SLAM headband during work? That’s more GANGSTA than Omar himself.

  • http://slamonline.com My opinion matters

    @jukai…I said Nash and Pierce because they too have supreme talent around them….I like how you pulled out the stats though…you pull out the stats for Chris Bosh during the series with Orlando…those other 4 games…

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Juka is good at stats … he remembers all … o wait no, he copies and pastes the stats from nba.com lol

  • http://slamonline.com My opinion matters

    but Tony could easily do more but he plays within the Spurs stagnant offense…if he was on say Golden State or Phoenix…his numbers would be a lot better..but I see your point though but i think you undervaluing tony a little bit…the kids got three rings…he has them for a reason!!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Jukai*

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    You mean the 24 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 1.6 steals on 47% shooting? His stats were way better than Parker and he was getting double teamed… Thanks for the advice though!

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    3 things is a big deal. And the Spurs are going to be Tony’s team one day.

  • http://www.myspace.com/freedmusic Fredd

    I just have to recall that as someone as said … give him freedom and he’ll get the stats some think that a player needs to have to be high in this Slam rankings …

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    My Opinion Matters, I actually agree with you throughouly. He runs a fast-break DAMN good, I think his assists would be closer to nine a game if he played for Phoenix. That being said, I think his offense would suffer. But that’s just me.
    James the balla, didn’t we already establish you don’t know anything about basketball yesterday? At least save some pride and change your name. Some of the stuff you said was downright embarrassing.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Jukai, what kind of socks was Bosh rocking? And considering you are on the mans jock so hard … im guessing he is your favorite player?

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    lol you think Bosh is better than KG … that is emberrassing!!!

  • James aka The Artist Formerly Known as Krayzie Bone

    Parker is the best flawed point guard in the league. I don’t mind the position on the list because he does help his team win. I don’t think that he would fit on as many teams in the league as the guards above him, but his efficient scoring is nothing to scoff at. Plenty of guys can score, but his high field goal percentage is very important to note. As for Bosh, he’s not the same type of player as Howard. It would be like questioning Webber on the kings versus Shaq, which is ludicrous. One is a hulking centre, the other a multi talented pf. Bosh not having the muscle to help keep Howard of the boards isn’t a talent issue. And Bosh’s numbers series long were very good, in spite of the tact that as the primary option, they were keyed on stopping him, and he still averaged 25 and 12 (i think, im working from memory), which is an increase from the regular season.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Bosh had a great series … he probly remembers not stopping Howard, and being home after that series. Bosh cant do it himself, he isnt a superstar, just a very good player.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    sidenote: Tampa Bay baseball player Evan Longoria=best name ever.

  • http://hoops4life.com overtime

    Dont know if he’s 21st,but he’s definitly close. There’s alot of hating today, but face it he is one of the best point guards of the decade. None have won more than him. No one ever expected him to come close to this. He has weaknesses yeah…but it doesn’t matter does it?After all, how many other people on this list so far have Finals MVP trophys at home?

  • Shu

    I’m sure he feels like Micheal Bolton from office space. “Why do I have to change my name? He’s the one who sucks..”

  • T Money

    *T Money scratches headbandless head and wonders why people are comparing Tony Parker to Chris Bosh*

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Oh, and Jukai, I put up a Suns preview on the blog. Feel free to critique. Seriously :)

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    Tony Parker is one of the most annoying players in the league. He is also one of the best.

  • T Money

    Someone said the numbers don’t lie? Tony Parker: 18.8/3.2/6.0/0.8/0.1/49%/72%/26%
    Caron Butler 20.3/6.7/4.9/2.2/0.3/47%/90%/36%

    Indeed. The numbers don’t lie

  • T Money

    ….and clearly he doesn’t allow his wife to eat…

  • T Money

    I bet he doesn’t recycle either.

  • Shu

    @TMoney: Playoff series won? Finals MVP’s??

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Shu- dont try defending this ranking. If he was 25th then I imagine a large portion of te people here wouldnt be complaining.

  • T Money

    @Shu: Carbon Footprint?

  • T Money

    I suppose TP is hard to rate, because there is no one to compare him to, and he plays with the best power forward ever. But 21 still feels high. I suppose we are all haters, especially we see more of Gabriel when we watch Spurs games

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Hursty: I stopped reading after “Phoenix Rising.”
    Because, really, it’s not funny anymore.

  • http://slamonline My opinion matters

    @T Money…your right the numbers dont lie..Tony has three rings…one finals mvp…Oh yeah @jukai…my bad for some reason I thought Chris had a bad series..maybe it was because Dwight was averaging 20 20 and they beat them 4-1 but…I don’t understand how y’all can hate on a player that has three rings…I dont like the guy but I give respect were it’s due!!!

  • T Money

    Dear SLAM:
    I can’t stay mad at you!
    *puts headband back on and returns to workstation*

  • Shu

    Meh, I’d take wins over stats all day. That’s why GWallace didn’t make the list but Tayshaun did. Carbon footprint? Is that a recycling insult? I’m sorry I’m not a dirty hippie so I’m not familiar with you whipper snapper’s slang.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Did T Money just have a small psycotic breakdown or something? What was that about?

  • krod

    Parker ranks high because he has Eva…

  • http://slamonline My opinion matters

    Oh yeah @jukai..you said that his numbers went up during the playoffs…that further proves my point…every wants there players averages to go up during the playoffs..that win or go home time and the young boy steps up every year!!!

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    I’m a PC, and I have THREE rings

  • T Money

    @MOM: Bruce Bowen also has 3 rings (I think). The real question is what contribution did he make towards them. And that, my friend, is the question. I don’t think anyone will ever know whether Parker can put up comparable numbers on a different team and still win a ring.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    His rankings rant Jukai. Oh and re the blog- I had to make it sound somewhat interesting and I actually wanted some feedback.

  • T Money

    *T Money strokes his Jukai Doll* “He finally spoke to me!”

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    I gave you my damn feedback. Don’t be greedy.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    The only thing overrated about Tony Parker to me is his wife.

  • http://joebasketball.blogspot.com average joe

    i understand the difficulty that comes with the point guard position, and i dont think the spurs would be where they are without him, but there’s definately players unjustifiably ranked below him in this list.

  • http://slamonline My opinion matters

    What did he contribute?….that question alone is laughable…did I also mention he had a finals mvp…you pretty much have to contribute something to get one of those I think…lol

  • T Money

    But if I was starting a team from scratch and had to choose between Tony Longoria and Chauncey? Please! (In my best Rihanna impersonating voice)

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Hey Jukai can i get your facebook?

  • http://slamonline My opinion matters

    @myles brown…couldn’t agree with you more…I can name five spanish women of the top of the dome that are better then her….eva mendes, salma hayek, jennifer lopez, roselyn sanchez, jessica alba(this one’s debatable).

  • T Money

    But MOM, could he do it with, say Al Jefferson and Joe Johnson, with Mike Brown as the coach? That’s my point. I’m not saying that Parker isn’t a great player, or that he isn’t a winner…Its..just..Oh never mind

  • http://www.friendster.com/sesa Sesa

    Tony is good, he’s just not #21. He is still a big defensive liability

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Great feedback Jukai. Care to actually give something constructive?

  • http://slamonline My opinion matters

    Dont’ get me started on Chauncey’s ass…now that guy has not done anything remotely close to what he did four years ago when they won the chip since then…he’s been living off that since…and since you wanted to pull up stats…I bet you Tony’s were better then his last year…so to answer your question…I would take tony any day!!!

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Hursty: Yes. Do not use “rising” or “setting” when talking about the Phoenix Suns.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Fine. I’ll change it then. Just for you. Then you might do me the courtesy of reading it. Thankyou.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Jukai, facebook?

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    My opinion matters: Arguably, their stats were the same.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    James: My facebook is reserved for people who know basketball.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I’d rather have over every guard already named on this list. That is all.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Changed Jukai. Hursty out.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    *I’d rather have Tony….

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    @Allenp- You would or wouldnt? That didnt make sense.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Sorry, was writing when that last response came through. My bad.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Is your first name Arnie lol

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I co-sign Myles. Tony is good, but I hate the French.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Everybody hates the French TAD. Fact.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Hursty: Very general, misses several points (age, injury, team cohesiveness, lack of depth), also, add something witty to it, I dunno, like, “Phoenix Rising”

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    he should go surrender to something…like basketball greatness

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    This is a good place for Tony, he’s not the slightest overrated. Who in the NBA can guard Parker? He’s game might be beautiful or that of a prototypical pg but he’s crazy efficient and not to mention clutch, borderline transcendent. Ask yourself in the gritty West, which pg have outplayed Parker in a playoffs series over the last 4 or so years?

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Also, you believe the success on the team depends on Nash. While I think it is very important for Nash to do things like regain his inside game and add a type of drop-off pass which doesn’t involve a running man to his game (purely for Shaq), I believe the key piece to Phoenix’s success is actually Amare. If the guy can go MVP-level like a few games last year, nothing else will matter.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    *might NOT be beautiful

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ B. Long

    I have to agree with Myles, I love spanish women, but girls like Eva are a dime a dozen in southern Texas.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    LZ: Chauncy Billups, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Steve Nash (once out of four times), Devin Harris.

  • Sparker

    i’ve always felt there’s a prejudice against parker. nice to have it confirmed.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Jukai, add Baron Davis and you are 100% correct

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Prejudice? Cause he’s French?

  • http://hoops4life.com overtime

    i think 21 is a good place for Parker, give or take 2 or 3, its just that others have been misplaced

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    BETCATS: Have Davis and Parker ever played each other in the Finals?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    no, but i didnt really read you comment

  • Bo Diddly

    This spot is fine by me. The due has 3 rings. 3 RINGS. And he deservedly got MVP for one of those finals. He is often the go to guy when TD is not firing and he leads everything they do in transition. There is no point guard that can stop him one on one, I’m taking a young, PROVEN winner over Chris Ja Ja Bosh. Period. He’s like Iverson only he has won ishh! And we know AI will be much higher.

  • Jordan

    (4 doz wu can read french) Tony est bien meilleur q CBosh et CButler, pr moi il n’y a mm pas photo. Bien q n’étant pas spécialement fan d TP, il faut reconnaître q c 1 très grand joueur qui a eu d l’impact sur son équipe depuis sa saison d rookie, qui a gagné 3 titres nba and he was elected mvp of the finals devant Duncan et Manu, it speaks 4 itself…

  • http://www.stilltobedone.com Bruno

    its a good positioning. i’ll say it again… since the jason kidd fiasco, things went well here, BUT, no way TP can be finals mvp again.

  • Jay

    damn what is all this fuss about! we are through with the shoutin and name-callin. TP is a pimp @ 21 and thats all there is to it…

  • matt the jazz fan

    and just to weigh in on this one, the spurs, generally agreed to be the shrewdest front office in the league, decided that they didn’t need jason kidd IN HIS PRIME and handed the keys to tony parker. and history has borne them out.

  • Sparker

    don’t know why the prejudice, really. could be because he’s half-french, could be because he’s part of a way-too-haapy couple, could be because he plays for the spurs, could be because of his musical pretensions. he’s also got that dinky little tear drop… which seems like a lob in tennis. all i know is that people seem to resent his success and denigrate his game, unreasonably. he’s unbelievably fast, almost impossible to slow down when he’s hitting his outside shot, and is capable of keeping very good teams on their heels for full quarters at a time. and i just looked over his stats for the year. from a quick glance, it seems that d-will was slowing him down some. but c paul and the lakers (you can’t call holding him to 19 a game “shutting him down”) were not. and i’ve certainly watched him tear the heart out of the suns enough times. in a nutshell, i think he’s regularly one of the top 3 point guards in the league, but that he rubs people the wrong way

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Deron Williams out played Parker that one year. Can’t think of anyone else who went head to head with Parker and won the matchup. Like I said, I would rather have Parker than anyother named on this list. Shoot, I probably would only take Chris Bosh over him if we were talking about all players named. Tony is a beast and he’s shown the ability to improve his game. Gotta love that.

  • folo17

    Tony Parker???
    Unbelievable!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Unless I’m completely forgetting someone,I have Parker as the third best PG in the NBA,with CP3 and Deron tied first and Nash second.So,in other words,yes,this was a good pick.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Again Co-sign Allenp. Deron was the only one Jukai mentioned that outplayed Parker. And wait and see Deron will outplay any of the other top pg’s (even Paul)before to long. Dude is simply to bulldozing for the rest.

  • Black Mamba

    First of all Tony Parker, should be higher, the NBA is about winning, not playing good on so so teams. Come one Tony Parker to me is a better point guard than Deron and Nash, which to me both are overrated. CP3 and Tony to me are equals, remember this, Tony has pressure on him to be good every night. Duncan is getting old, by the way the Lakers beat them. I would have Tony higher and please I hope the overrated white show pony called Nash is not in the top 10. Can’t lead an all star team with Amare, Bell, Barbosa, Hill to a Finals appearance. Those Two MVPS are jokes, please Slam I hope yall are smarter than that.

  • Black Mamba

    About the lakers I meant the Spurs got beat by a weak frontcourt team.

  • Guillaume

    Parker’s numbers are what they are because he does EXACTLY what Popovich asks him to do, and doesn’t have the freedom of other PGs in the League. And this leads to winning rings. He’s a Finals MVP. He scores 35 ppg with the French national team while he is double teamed (or triple teamed) every game he plays with France. He might be less talented than CP3 or Nash, but he is a champion with 3 rings, and that is uncountable.

  • http://www.ngunioamosotho.com Nguni

    he aint like AI…AI is third in scoring average all time. tony longoria is overrated. dude disappears when need be. manu is their clutch player, don’t get it confused.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Some of y’all are really underestimating how good Deron Williams is. He’s number one on my point guard list right now mainly because he’s a better defender than Chris Paul. I agree with Izzo that Parker is right below Williams, Paul and Nash, and the only reason I have him less than Nash is because his jumpshot can desert him at times, which limits his effectivness. However, Parker always destroys Nash in their head to head matchups, ALWAYS. Shoot, he took it to AI the last time they met in the playoffs as well. He played outstanding defense on Iverson for long stretches which allowed the Spurs to shift Bowen over to Melo. And I actually think Manu is much more overrated than Parker.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Allenp:I’m interested to see where CP3 and Deron will be ranked.That,to me is the main issue of this ranking(since Kobe is obviously nabbing the top spot).I’d personally have Deron slightly ahead of Paul but I’d bet anything that Paul will be third and Deron will be somewhere around the 6-9 region.An interesting discussion is to be had.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Izzo; I concur. Although I prefer Paul personally, I would pick Deron if I was the owner of a franchise – he’s tougher to contain imo. And please tell me that Kobe wont be ranked no. 1.. After the Finals and Olympics I think that discussion should be dead (here we go again).

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    I wish to hear Kostas’ views.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Ler’s not have that discussion LZ. But, I look forward to the Deron and Chris debate. Question, should Chris Paul be higher than Dwayne Wade now that we have seen that Wade is probably back to his 2006 level? I don’t think so, but I would bet that Slam does.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    I agree with Izzo that CP3 will be third and in my opinion, rightly so.

  • riggs

    @black mamba: who in the entire NBA organization DOESN’T have pressure to be good every night? that’s a far-fetching ridiculous reason imo.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    If I were starting a franchise today, I’d choose CP3 over Wade. He is the reason the Hornets played so well last season. And I would quite happily claim that he is the best point guard in the lague because of his unbelievable basketball I.Q.

  • scott

    If I were starting a franchise today I’d choose LeBron James over everybody for obvious reasons.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Thanks for that Scott. I think most people would agree. I’m talking about CP3 or Dwyane Wade.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    If I were starting a franchise today I’d choose Mike Beasley because he’s going to be the MVP this year.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Let me ask a question to Keith. Do you think that Shaquille O’Neal and Udonis Haslem were a better post tandem than Tyson Chandler and David West? I don’t. I think Paul had the superior post tandem, yet Wade is the one who carried a team to a ring. Basically, I think Wade can do most of the things Chris Paul does, plus he can carry a team as a scorer, which Paul cannot do.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    I would rank Wade over CP3 for the sole reason that he won a ring as the Alpha-dawg against a very good Dallas squad. But Allenp, if you compare their teams that Heat squad was way better and more seasoned than CP3′s Hornets last year.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Sorry for I’m trying to steal your shine, Keith.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Good point AllenP but missing the fact that with no Chris Paul, the Hornets aren’t even a fractino of the team they are with him. He moves the ball – sure, we all know that. He scores with jumpers or drives to the lane – we know that too. He’s crazy in the assist column – got that one covered. All of this stuff, we all know. But watch him (not saying you dno’t already) and tell me that he’s less valuable than Wade. Watch how he directs everything on the court. Doesn’t matter if he has the ball or not. He directs every single play. Everything that goes on from where people stand to where they need to move to, to what they should be doing.

  • scott

    @Keith…On a serious note I too would take Chris Paul over Dwyane Wade if I were starting a franchise today. The more I think of it the only players I would take over Chris Paul would be LeBron James, Dwight Howard and Tim Duncan.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Ha, go for it LZ. I’ve got no ego. Wade is a helluva player, I don’t dispute this and I think 3 and 4 spot will be as tight as 1 and 2 on this list. But for me, I’d pick CP as 3.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Allenp: I’m lost. Are you arguing that Wade should be over CP3 on the list?

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Correction: Nash was far better than Parker during the legendarily depressing 07 game. Nash had his points and twice the assists. All other times Parker has one. Devin Harris totally schooled the crap out of Parker in 06. I’d say Paul beat him in 08, although Parker did have a great game. You guys are WAY overestimating this guy.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    For me it goes Lebron > Kobe > Wade > CP3 > Deron, in terms of best player AND who I’d start a franchise with. It’s interchangable.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    No ego, That’s cool Keith because this site is barely big enough for mine.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    It’s the eternal question – starting a franchise today, who would you pick with the number 1 choice? If you do that, Duncan has to be forgotten based on his age. But if, as this list is about, we’re forgetting their age, Duncan is top 5 or 6.

  • scott

    @jukai…Where’s Tim Duncan?

  • scott

    @jukai…Where’s Dwight Howard?

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Agree Jukai. parker is overrated. Stick him on Dallas and he wouldn’t be half as successful. Certainly wouldn’t be able to run the franchise like Kidd. Oh wait….

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Scott: I have to correct a previous statement I made, Deron would NOT be five on my best list, that’s for Duncan. Deron was actually nine on my list.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    I don’t really know what my last comment was.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Duncan simply has to be top 5. Jukai was making a different argument. Paul>Wade to me with Deron behind both of them.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Scott: I had Howard at 16

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    TP is hands down the 4th best PG in the league. For fairness sake, these rankings should try to distribute an equal quantity of positions players. Add a handful of nasty swingman and it all ads up. So when you do the math he’s listed pretty accurately or maybe slightly too low.
    For those with a hard time figuring, 4×5 =20> TP#21.
    And to add to his credit, he’s probably top 7 in finishing at the rim. Which is nuts for a 6’1″ guard. To back this up I list: Shaq, Kob, Bron, T-Mac, Monta, Melo. Don’t heed the order.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Keith: I think Parker would play fantastic in Dallas, a team based on cutting and one on one offense. On the other hand, I think Parker would have been a low minute bench player in the circa 2000 New Jersey Nets team. Ya get what I’m saying?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Deron>CP3

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Why exactly, Izzo? Cause Deron always wins head-to-head?

  • scott

    Tim Duncan is without a doubt a better play right now then Dwight Howard but if you were starting a franchise I’d take Howard before Duncan simply based on the huge age differential.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Rik Smits; you forgot Josh Smith.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Keith, your argument for Paul is sound. Personally I have watched both players I think Wade has a little something extra. His ability to dominate as a scorer, not just be good but dominate, is the key to me. Sure, Paul is a better playmaker, and a great point is the second hardest thing to find in basketball, but I still believe Wade brings more to the table overall. Wade won that ring his third year in the league with a collection of teammates that nobody really had confidence in. Now, if you said the year before that Wade had a better team than Paul,(I’m talking about the team with Eddie Jones and Damon Jones) than I would agree. But I think that in 2006 Wade’s supporting cast was pretty mediocre, but he was just transcendent. Anyway, it’s a good and fun argument to have….

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Agree with Izzo. Deron’s harder to cope with for a defense.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I have Deron over CP3 because Deron is the more dynamic scorere and a better defender. Paul is a hair better at being a playmaker, but Deron is close and has shown the ability to run an uptempo offense and play halfcourt ball. Deron is just better in my mind.

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    AllenP why don’t you make rash statements? They are always well educated and complete. You should start throwing around more comments like AI being a waste of talent ;-)

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    Possible Lz, somehow I do see him more as a finisher on the break. Off-course he has that lefty advantage that gains him that split second on decision making of the defender.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Jukai:Stature,defense,FG% and overall I think he’s a better distrubutor.Plus I think Paul’s numbers are distorted because he’s on an inferior team(on paper).Deron doesn’t have to score like Paul does.Two things that worry me about Deron are his turnovers and lack of quickness,but overall,I’d take him before Paul.Plus I have a thing for big guards.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    I can’t see how one could argue that Deron is a better scorer than Paul. They have about identical range but Paul is a far better driver/finisher. I guess Deron’s three point shot is a bit better? Maybe? I don’t know. Deron is a better one-on-one defender but Chris Paul’s court vision works both ways, and he sees passes from other teams and pretty much wreaks havok on passing lanes. So I wouldn’t be too quick to give Deron the one up on defense either.

  • scott

    Chris Paul is unstoppable off the dribble. Paul is a better playmaker then Williams plus he is a year younger then Williams. Paul’s supporting cast isn’t as strong as William’s but New Orleans is still the better team. Williams gets to play for one of the best coaches in the league while the same can’t be said for Paul. I just think Paul has a slight edge over Williams.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Scoring increases when you’re on a bad team. Assists decrease. I think Paul is a better distributor but Deron is MORE IMPRESSIVE… it is very hard to get ten assists in a half-court offense, but Deron somehow does it.
    Out of curiosity: how many other times have four point guards averaged 10+ assists in one season?

  • http://www.nba.com/bucks/ Keith

    Izzo has just ‘outted’ himself.

  • Mo

    Chris Paul just had a point guard season for the ages. Runner up MVP, All-Star, All-NBA First team, first pg in 15 years to average 20ppg and 10ast while leading the league in both assists and steals. Yes, he should be ahead of both Deron and Tony at this point (after the 07-08 season he just had). Jukai, yes, people feel Deron is better because he wins the head-to-head. Well guess what, the Jazz beats the Hornets head-to-head as well. The entire Jazz team focuses on Paul when these teams meet. They keep Paul from penetrating (after he blows by Deron) and when he does, his teammates for whatever reason are unable to knock down shots. Kirilenko told Deron after their rookie seasons that he shouldn’t “play against Paul”, “it will be Utah-New Orleans, your teammates will be there to help you”. It’s no secret Deron “gets up” for Paul. Paul is a top 5 player in the league. Deron is top 10.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Jukai, Deron is much better than Paul as a shooter. His pull up jumper is superior, he’s better coming of screens. Deron is better on the ball on defense and can’t be taken advantage of in the post…Chris is a better playmaker, but he does benefit from his “Steve Nash” role on the Hornets. Paul is better in the passing lanes, but is a gambler instead of a solid defender. Paul is also not as clutch as Deron, doesn’t have the one-on-one dribble moves that Deron has, and is prone to lose confidence in his jumper. I love Paul, you can make a solid argument that he’s the best point in the league, but my personal opinion is that Deron brings more to the table.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    For someone with his quickness,Paul really isn’t that great of a defender,no matter how high his steals per game are.Those stats are always misleading.As a one on one defender and just in general as a defender,Paul is average at best.That’s without even mentioning his size.Now if the Hornets were to play zone where Paul’s ability to pick out passing lanes could thrive,he might flourish eventually.But it’s not like the Hornets have mobile bigs who’d be able for it or anything….

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    I’m out, enjoy your evening fellas.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Izzo: that’s true, but what you’re not doing is downplaying the fact that Deron Williams combination of lack of speed and focus on his man gets him a measley one steal a game. I know man to man defense is important, but extra possessions are sweet things, y’know!

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    And Utah’s talent is not that superior to New Orleans. It’s better, but not ridiculously slow. AK47 is overrated by many fans. His complete lack of a reliable scoring game hurts the Jazz. Boozer’s difficult scoring on big and athletic fours is also a problem. Paul is working with one of the most complete offensive big men in the league in West, he’s working with a demon on defense and the glass in Chandler. Peja is still somewhat reliable as a shooter and Pargo was a great role player. The Hornets have good talent, and they have better chemistry than the Jazz.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Allenp: I’d like to argue that West is as overrated as Boozer and AK47

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Deron williams doesn’t get as many skills because he isn’t gambling because he doesn’t have a shot blocker like Chandler behind him. Plus, Jerry Sloan does not allow that.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Id never underestimate Deron Williams.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    If you steal the ball a lot that means you’re good at steaing the ball.That’s pretty much it.Stealing the ball a lot does not a good defender make.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Didn’t John Stockton average 3 or so steals a game during some seasons? I think Sloan is fine with that, Allenp.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Steals are misleading? How exactly? A steal is a steal. Come on now. I know Paul is not the most physical of guards, but his D is better than ya’ll are giving him credit for. Deron is the better shooter, but no one in the league has the court vision combined with the quickness like Paul. I’m sorry, Deron is not on that level. Paul has a whole other gear he can hit at a moments notice. I like Deron. Everything that he does well Paul is not as good at. But for my money, give me Chris Paul all day long.

  • Mo

    It’s not just Paul’s steals. Maybe if some of you would watch him more you’d actually know more. He’s a feisty defender. He’ll not only jack your ball but he’ll pester you into making a bad pass, traveling, or losing your ball out of bounds. Watch the guy more please. League Pass is your friend.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    TAD:I disagree.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    H to the Izzo: I disagree with your disagreement.

  • scott

    Chris Paul = Isiah Thomas

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I agree that it’s great no one is talking about Mr. Longoria anymore.

  • Mo

    scott, I just hope he doesn’t end up being a terrible GM/Coach like Isiah. LMAO!

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Billy Knight underestimated Deron Williams. :(

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    On which part Izzo??

  • Mo

    People automatically want to give Deron the edge on defense because he’s “bigger” but Deron gets blown by often, especially by quicker, smaller players. If being bigger means you’re a better defender than Eddy Curry must be the sh*t. LMAO! Yes, Deron is a decent defender but some people are trying to make it out like he’s some sort of Bruce Bowen or something. And LMAO @ Eboy! It is kind of funny that no one is talking about Mr. Longoria anymore.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    And Chris Paul if we’re nitpicking. :(

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    And Chris Paul to Co Co.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And steals can be misleading. Case in point: Allen Iverson. Ont a great on ball defender, gambles on passing lanes that at times lead to a steal and at other times leave the other four defenders naked and gives the offense an easy bucket. So two steals a game isnt that great If you gamble and lose five or six times a game.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    No one asked you Myles.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    :( They may have overestimated Marvin moreso than they underestimated Chris and Deron…. Or maybe a little bit of both.

  • http://AllAbout-Penis-Enlargement.com Jukai

    Myles: Chris Paul does not gamble like Iverson does…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    To be clear, Deron and Chris both will never challenge the fantastic defensive prowess of old-school D-monsters like Mo Cheeks or Joe D, so let’s not put them in rarified air in the modern game, because really, they’re both slightly above average defenders and not much more than that. Does their Olympic struggles on the defensive end not solidify how much they get by on “star” calls and gambling in the lig?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Didn’t Paul have a trip-dub with 10 steals during the season? How often does that happen?

  • tealish

    Surprised at the intense bickering over this one. I’ve no problems with TP at 21. But he’s a kind of a guy that would’ve made sense at 28 as well if that makes any sense.
    And all you guys hating on eva longoria… please, the woman is damn fine for her age.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Not often, but I’d be curious who they were playing that game, TAD.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    But what does any of this have to do with Tony? :) Okay I’m gone.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    If Eva Longoria was running the tortilla press at a Chiptole, no one would would be the worse for it.

  • http://www.sprint.com/sero Dma

    i just threw up

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    E: Why? Kobe scored 81, does it matter that it was against the Raps? Well, maybe….but still.

  • tealish

    And re. this CP3 v DWill debate, I think it’s definitely a lot closer than most people think. Let me put it this way, if the game was on the line and the rest of the team haven’t been making shots all day, I’d rather have the ball in Deron’s hands.

  • scott

    Off the subject but it is becoming clear that Danny Granger isn’t making the top 50. Slam how did this happen?

  • Mo

    Eboy, he didn’t have 10 steals but he did have 9 against Dallas and 8 against Phoenix. He doesn’t just “gamble” and he doesn’t just get them by playing the passing lane. I’m telling you some guys should really see more than 5 games from Paul before commenting.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    What quick players has Deron Williams struggled to guard? He does fine against Paul, Iverson and Parker. Those are arguably the three quickest in the league.

  • Mo

    Ok, I’m out of this one too. 21 is a nice spot for Tony Longoria.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Well….if he was playing against the abyss that was the Heat last year and did that, I’d be more dissapointed he didn’t have 15 to 20 steals against Quinn and Banks. I remember Chris having a monster game against the Heat last year but I don’t remember if 10 steals were involved.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Mo, I live in NOLA, I’ve seen Paul play. He reaches a lot, and is a liability on the block. True or false?

  • scott

    I think Paul is going to be in the top 5 and I’m not so sure Williams is going to crack the top 10. Should be a fun day when Williams makes the list.

  • Mo

    Allenp, Deron gets blown by smaller quicker guards. Like I said, CP blows by him but there’s always another Jazz player there waiting for Paul. Smaller guards like Tony, TJ Ford can get by Deron easily. Deron’s not slow but he’s not lightening quick either. Deron may be a bit harder to “contain” as some put it because of his size but smaller, quicker guards are waterbugs. They’re slippery covers. Have a good day guys. Gotta go get some work done.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Mo, sorry your leaving, and maybe you’ll read this later, but yes, those high steal games are really fantastic and show Chris’s skill at ball thefts but a lockdown perimiter defender in the mold of a in-his-prime Derek Fisher or Derek Harper (two of the best defensive pg’s in the last 20 years) is just not fair comparison to Chris’s D game.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Well, Mo answered my question before I could. Paul had 31,11, with 9 steals against Dallas. I could have swore he had 10. Oh well. But just to be sure, I don’t hate Deron and I know those two are the two best PG’s in the game, but I just think Paul has that “it” in his game.

  • Mo

    Oh yeah, I’d say he is a liability on the block but he does indeed complete a lot of those reaches. You can’t really think that Paul leads the league in steals simply by “gambling” do you? Dude has a high basketball IQ and can read opposing players really, really well. Ok, I’ll miss your reply because I seriously have to leave this time. Good day.

  • scott

    Chris Paul > Julius Hodge

  • scott

    Three San Antonio players in the top 21. Impressive. However, this will probably be the year they don’t get out of the first round of the playoffs (please God). Thank you LA Lakers, New Orleans, Houston and Utah.

  • whooo!

    tony’s ranking seems fitting. look at the trio of celtics… they make each other better, but they’re all great individually. same w/ the spurs, except that it’s more evident that duncan is the foundation of that trio. parker had a shaky year w/ his jumper, but he’s practically unguardable when his jumper drops half decent. unguardable. it is shaky, but even when his j doesn’t fall, he gets whatever he wants. and how can anyone say parker is overrated when you know melo is going to be higher up on the list than him? melo hasn’t done crap in this league but score buckets, and he’s really good at it, but does almost nothing else.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    Scott are you saying that D-Will is not going to make the list at all?

  • witness

    i got him at number 15.

  • Kostas Tsartsaris

    Buna seara tuturor! good evening to everybody!! I just read most of the comments here today and i can say first of all that i am honestly impressed…lots of people made observetions that demonstrate a critical view of the game and an ability to see beyond cross-overs and dunks to the things that really contribute to team success Once again:bball is still a TEAMGAME and if your TEAM never wins it doesn’t really matter how many statistical categories you have managed to lead(hello A.I, Carmelo, ,Starbury, Franchise, Nique,and many-many others) . And now to Parker…

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    You really think AI and Nique’s team’s never won? Or does winning only count if it’s a championship because that’s a pretty high bar to set.

  • http://www.myspace.com/hemantsbeats what

    I can’t decide if Parker is overrated or not… who knows how good he would be on a normal team that doesn’t have a Hall of Fame coach and big man.

  • Kostas Tsartsaris

    Parker is NOT a pure point guard. That’s why many people find it strange to see him over Billups or others. He is not a great one on one defender,he is not great at setting up his teamates, he is not great at “reading” the offensive set and he is not a great shooter. By saying these one can argue that he is not something special at the most important things for a point guard so how can he be that high (a good ranking in my opinion for him)..?Well he CAN and he SHOULD because the guy is plain and simple a charismatic scorer (top-5 in this league). At the same time he is coachable and ready to sacrifice his touches for the good of the team. This is something that doesn’t seem to be given great importance by most of people but ,trust me, it is a quality that very few charismatic scorers have (if A.I. and Melo had such a quality then maybe they wouldn’t be remember only just great shoe-salesmen , of course Melo still has time to change things..).

  • http://mykal1.blogspot.com/ ♦MyKal♠

    Don’t start on A.I again, boy.

  • Kostas Tsartsaris

    The thing that keeps me uncertain on Parker’s greatness is the fact that although he has been great with the Spurs (i give him almost equall credit with the other 2 guys) i am really curious to see him with an other team (and i ain’t have this fealing that often, i was sure about A.I ‘s or Garnett’s true value before seeing them traded) and that is because i fear that maybe the Spurs system is hiding Parkers inability to take a team in his shoulders with heady play at crusial times(Manu is the guy at Spurs not because Duncan ain’t great but cause he is the perimeter guy that can create offense and shoot free-throws if it is needed) . At his NBAfinals MVP year he basically took advantage of a huge hole that the Cavs had on point guard defense. I don’t say it is just Popovich ,the guy is smart(not only bball-wise). But seeing him with the only other team he has played(FRANCE) in his peak years i see a player that simply CANNOT win (strange.. eh? ). I won’t start writting all his failures in the last 5 years with his national team(you can find them easily) but i can tell you that a) France is loaded with individual talent the last few years b)they failed to reach the finals of Eurobasket 2009 AFTER an extra round of games with inferior teams this September. I mean France is going through a historical period that has its most NBA caliber players and they cannot achive something that was a regular up until Parker became their leader…The guy is scoring 30 points a game and he IS unstopable but at the same time his team had 3 wins and 3 loses playing with teams that..nevermind you get the point. So i see some A.I in Parker that maybe is hidden through the Spurs system. That doesn’t mean that Parker is as “problematic” a player as Iverson (Ok, none of them is bad, its just that Iverson is becoming more inefficient by every passing year…)it’s just that i got signs that maybe something is hidden here…

  • http://mykal1.blogspot.com/ ♦MyKal♠

    Why do you hat A.I so much? He is one of the greatest players of the post-Jordan era, and that’s the TRUTH!

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    Nah, MyKal, it’s the ANSWER.

  • http://mykal1.blogspot.com/ ♦MyKal♠

    put an E on that hat

  • http://mykal1.blogspot.com/ ♦MyKal♠

    Very nice Moose, very nice indeed.

  • Kostas Tsartsaris

    @Allenp…:A.I and Nique’s team never had consistent success in the playoffs and to me the regular season is just a warm up for the real games. They took their teams to the finals a grand total of 1 time in 30 years between them(!!!) and the one who made it (A.I.) did so by passing through a “Vince Carter lead” team (….)and the Milwaukee Bucks(i am reading once again to believe this..). If you remember an easier path to the finals tell me…And they made it there they were simply blown away..

  • http://mykal1.blogspot.com/ ♦MyKal♠

    Vince was a superstar back then and the bucks (if memory serves) had a hot team as well. By the way, Kostas, are you gonna hate on Barkley too? Are you going to say that Brian Scalabrine is better than Barkley because he’s got a ring.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    They were blown away? Really? You do realize that the Sixers were the only team to even win a game against the Lakers in the playoffs that year, and that each of the first three games was extremely competitive, right? Or that Iverson won that first game despite Eric Snow playing on a fractured ankle, and Aaron Mckie fracturing his ankle in Game 1? You do realize that Matt Geiger and a rookie Raja Bell played a huge role on that team, right?
    Nah, you can’t realie this. If you did, you wouldn’t say stupid stuff like you’re saying. Iverson has had just as much playoff success as Charles Barkley and has done it with less talent. Your problems with Iverson and his shoe contract are your own problems, but when you start saying he isn’t one of the greatest players of all-time and he can’t win, well then you sound like an idiot…..Funny how you said Iverson “can’t” win, but then changed it to “consistently” win when you were confronted. He advanced past the first round three out of the five times he got the Sixers to the playoffs. Considering the talent he was working with, that was a nice move.
    And that Bucks team had Ray Allen, Sam Cassell and Glen Robinson in their primes. It was as good as any team Jason Kidd beat on his way to the Finals.

  • http://mykal1.blogspot.com/ ♦MyKal♠

    Kostas, think about this. For a team to win a Championship another team must lose it. There is never an easy path to the Finals, ever.

  • Kostas Tsartsaris

    And now good night to everyone, i wish i could stay more here but i got a really hot chick in front of me and i am sure you will also do the same , (i promise to read all responses on my T.P thoughts tomorrow morning) .

  • http://mykal1.blogspot.com/ ♦MyKal♠

    Preach! Allenp, Preach!

  • http://www.myspace.com/freedmusic Fredd

    Kostas Tsartsaris, look at the last games with France .. Parker was unbelievable … really good, haters or not … just maybe France have more than 10 guys in the NBA but just 3 of them ( including Parker ) were with Team France … ( Turiaf and Diawara ) … so … he had really done is best … he’s not his fault when all the other guys on hte team were making all those bricks …

  • danielj1

    terrible terrible ranking…no way hes better than bosh, brand or johnson…not even billups man.

  • Kyuui-musikq

    Lol, anyone who calls their own article definitive, has to be an egotistical airhead. Tony Parker is unbelievable. Also, anyone who calls TP overated best shut up and stop making a fool of themselves. Anyone whos played major part of 3 rings in 6 seasons is bottom line elite. As far as his place in the listing, sure, you could make the argument that Bosh has a better all around game, bu it wouldn’t much ground when considering everything else that places a player on this list. TP is a game changer! A winner and plays big when it counts. When the hell have the raptors ever ridden Bosh to playoff victory?

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  • MeloMan13

    Parker better than Bosh? i think not

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    Parker better than Bosh? i think so

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    Moose!!

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    He BET, what’s good???

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    *hey

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    I am gonna go moose hunting

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    that would not be cool . . . cause then you’d be hatin on canada rite BETCATS?

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    *right

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    that correction was for you Moose. You are spellin like a deer tonight

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    hows the go in raleigh, BET?

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    BET, i’m always spellin like a moose. ain’t no deers in here.

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    Im just chillin like chile

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    you microwave the chili, BET. that stuffs hot.

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    ^liar. But i wouldnt know, i dont eat it. I am ouut

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    i don’t either, BET. but i know that. I’m out too . . .

  • emney

    i think tony parker is better than the ranking he’s been given. i have yet 2 see a point guard in the Nba truly shut down tony, not even CP3 could lock him up. but it was a great battle 2 watch.

  • Anton

    I’ll take Shaq over this frenchie

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    Anton, what the heck are you talking about??? First of all, you are comparing apples to oranges. Shaq is a big man, 7 foot 1, and Tony Parker is 6-2. O’Neal is a center, and Parker is a point guard. Shaq, right now, kinda sucks, to tell you the truth. He is still a dominant big, but he can’t play with the rest of them anymore. And why has it taken you about 15 spots to complain???

  • the truth 34

    Moose is a beast.

  • MeloMan13

    Bosh can carry a team single handedly to the playoffs, parker cannot

  • http://nba.com/celtics Moose

    MeloMan, Parker has other players to share the numbers with. Bosh is the only big option in Toronto, whereas the Spurs have a ton of guys. Parker can’t singlehandedly bring the Spurs to the playoffs, because other guys are willing to help.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Good spot, I think.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Though there are a few players I would take over him, like Billups or Bosh. On a side note — Personally, I would have Richard Hamilton way higher on this list as well.

  • http://www.jcherot.blogspot.com Tripset30

    I can understand why people would think Parker’s overrated, but he’s impossible to keep out of the lane at 5’13″, and he FINISHES. He’ll never lead the league in assists, but his three rings are a testament to how good of a point guard he is.

  • Eric

    Why are some of you surprised? He was going to make the Top 50 list. He’s a frickin Finals MVP!

  • Dark

    I used to think TP was overrated, especially when he got all the post-Finals MVP hype. At the end of last season/playoffs, he really looked like a top 5 point guard, because he consistently held his own CP3 and Nash, something I couldn’t say about him before. Now his midrange jumper’s money, his drives are more controlled, and he’s distributing way better than he did in years before. He’s gotten better every year.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Not to mention Parker has a razor sharp tear drop.

  • http://www.lkz.ch/basket Darksaber

    And one of the best contact basket makers i’ve ever seen. Especially at high speed / impossible angles. (Manu and Wade are probably the best in that category btw.)

  • Kostas Tsartsaris

    @Allenp…:i think you wrote that Iverson has had as much playoff success as Barkley….read again what i wrote at least 2 times(slowly…)

  • Kostas Tsartsaris

    @Darksaber-Dark-Teddy…:exactly.

  • Kostas Tsartsaris

    @Fredd….:i grew up watching debuisson and ricar dacouri living their bodies on the flour for a team that never gave up..France was playing this way up until 2000. After antuan Rigondo left them and Parker became the clear leader it seems to me that the team lost its identity…of course Parker is by far the most talented player so they couldn’t do otherwise but it remains true that the team isn’t fighting they it used to do…

  • http://mykal1.blogspot.com/ MyKal

    Man, Kostas, you got some enemies in this place. Probably because of how B-Ball nuts get defensive when their idols are attacked by people with warped views of the NBA and its workings, namely, YOU. Sorry K, (I’m gonna call you that from now on) I’m still trying to digest your Iverson claims.

  • http://www.myspace.com/freedmusic Fredd

    @KOSTAS: great to hear the names of dacoury, rigaudeau, dubuisson again ! : ) … so we ‘re in a way agree, there’s no identity in that Team France but it does not mean Parker is not a leader in his blood … to lead you must have players to lead … you know what I mean.

  • MeloMan13

    Moose: if u take both parker and bosh and put them each on a team with equally crap players, Bosh’s team will win

  • CL SMOOTH

    Some of these rankings, like this one, are ridiculous. He’s a good player, but 21, that’s a Reed Richards stretch of the imagination.

  • Irfan

    One year later, did the haters shut up ?
    What was astonishing with Parker ranked 21st, was that in no way he was under Arenas or Iverson last year. Everybody could see it, but American fans and journalists are still prejudiced against foreign players.

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