• May 29, 2009 12:58 am  |  220 Comments

    Cavs/Magic Game 5 Recap

    Back to the Magic Kingdom…

    by Jake Appleman

    Ten days ago, there were two things I didn’t believe in: the Orlando Magic and Twitter.

    Anyone who asked me about the Magic’s chances against the Cavs received a brief sermon about how you can’t trust a team that lives and dies by the three and features a big man with no developed post moves. If that wasn’t enough, I was of the opinion that the Sixers should have been able to force a Game 7 and that the Celtics should have had enough left in the tank to close Orlando out.

    There was a personal touch to it, also. A buddy of mine used to call me “Rashard” when we played ball together because of my propensity to float around the perimeter despite having the height to play down low. The underlying joke was that the nickname was an indictment of a combination of talent, what I’ll dub “smooth laziness” and a lack of a killer of instinct. Suffice it to say, I wasn’t betting on myself…

    Oh yeah, and I want the Cavs to win. So there’s that. LeBron/Kobe would be an epic battle in the history of my sports watching life for so many different reasons. Magic/Nuggets would be a strange looking turd placed on the doorstep of my desire to write something important about the NBA Finals.

    As for Twitter, I was telling anybody that would listen back in the winter time that it was probably the stupidest thing I’d ever heard of. My basis for this rationale came from the fact that, at the time, I thought Facebook status was the worst part of Facebook. The idea of a website that was a simplified version of Facebook status just felt wrong.

    Then I heard someone called Russ Bengtson the “Charles Barkley of Twitter”, and naturally I had to check it out.  Unbeknownst to my partner in crime, I peeped twitter.com/russbengtson. I liked what I saw, though mainly because I enjoy his musings. However, when I went back a second time, I found myself caught in a strange vortex that combined tidbit thoughts from sportswriters–some of whom I held in high regard–with a gigantic network of celebrities picking their noses and ball players showing that they could be digitally accessible even if they didn’t really say anything interesting. Now, I’m not much for the site’s apparent star f*cking  appeal, but it seems to be a really easy way to waste time while promoting yourself.

    So here’s the deal: I’m going to pretend to Twitter the game, as if I was actually on Twitter. If the Magic win, I’ll join Twitter. If the Cavs do, I’ll save my soul until they’re eliminated.

    PRE:

    @Craig Sager: You’re not really aesthetically offensive in lavender. Also: we’re in the same fraternity. Yeah…

    @Russ Bengtson: It seems like the Doug Collins man love for LeBron won’t be heard tonight.

    –Marv Albert just compared Reggie Miller, as a broadcaster, to a relief pitcher–word to Eric Plunk.

    First Quarter:

    –Skip opens up with another three. There’s something to be said about a playground player raising his game following an insult.

    –9-3 Cavs. They’ve hit their first four shots. Mo Williams looks less “staring death in the face” than he did after Game 4.

    @Dwight Howard: Don’t hold the ball so low, big man. You tend to cough it up if their swipes don’t translate into fouls.

    –Bill Spooner spoonfeeds the Cavs a Mo Williams three after Hedo steps over the line on an in-bounds pass.

    –Spooner is working the game with Mack the Knife.

    @Everyone: Can we stop bitching about the refs? Please?

    @Mo Williams: You’re on fire. So you’re the new Skip?

    –It’s 26-8 and we’re not even halfway through the first quarter. If the Cavs blow this lead, Mo Williams needs to be forced to walk around Cleveland with a rundown shopping cart, like Bubbles from The Wire, saying, “I got them guaran tees”.

    –If I hired Shaq to be my bouncer, I’d nickname him TinyUrl.

    –It’s 32-10 and Delonte West is balling.

    –Anthony Johnson cuts it to a 17-point game with a driving layup. I’m having flashbacks of ‘06 Pacers AJ, scoring at will against the Nets in the playoffs.

    Second Quarter:

    @Wally Szczerbiak: Why are you trying to land body blows on Dwight Howard? You’re too pretty to fight.

    –35-23 early in the quarter, and it’s amazing how complacent the Cavs have gotten with a big lead. The operative word used by Marv Albert to describe the lead? Evaporating.

    –Craig Sager is getting more minutes than Sasha Pavlovic.

    –The Magic continue to cut into the lead. It’s now 8. Things you may already know: Anthony Johnson is clutch; Marcin Gortat slips perfectly on a screen/roll.

    –Stan Van Gundy gets a technical for arguing for a foul that shouldn’t have been called. By getting the tech, he turns a Mo Williams made three on a fast break into a turnover. Good job, coach!

    @Dwight Howard: Congratulations on the palm-tend. Two points for the Cavs, but impressive nonetheless.

    @Orlando Middle Pick-and-Roll: I find your effectiveness obnoxious.

    @LeBron James: Kudos on the lesson regarding unselfishness and spatial dynamics.

    @Nike: Why is Keenan Thompson playing the voice of the LeBron James puppet? At least let Kel play Kobe…

    –The Cavs aren’t fouling Howard hard enough. Some of the fouls on his and-one’s have been absolutely pathetic.

    –Two LBJ turnovers lead to a Turkoglu bucket off a crossover and a Howard follow-up dunk. 54-50.

    –For what it’s worth, Anderson Varejao is +20 and Anthony Johnson is +13. Maybe they should just play one-on-one to decide the game. Kidding…

    –A Rashard/Me three brings the Magic within 1 at the break. Call it predictability of the ridiculous.

    –Basketball may be a game of runs, but Cleveland’s Jekyll and Hyde act is mind-boggling.

    Third Quarter:

    A Howard layup and a Turkoglu bomb put the Magic up 4.

    –Cleveland’s passing is atrocious. It’s a 20-2 run spanning the last 2+ minutes in both the second and third quarters.

    –Careless pass by LeBron. He’s now halfway to another “eight turnovers are unacceptable” speech.

    –14-3 run for the Cavs to counter the Magic’s spurt earlier in the quarter.

    @Freshness: But really, how much of an impact do you have on world class athletes in elimination games? Reggie keeps on talking about you.

    @Hedo Turkoglu; You’re playing like the Cavs are the Greek national team.

    @Boobie Gibson: Nice to see you.

    Fourth Quarter:

    –Threes from Boobie Gibson and Mo Williams along with a pair of LeBron free throws help to put the Cavs up 6.

    –A Dwight Howard layup and Mickael Pietrus three bring the Magic right back.

    @Jay-Z: “Yes Bone and Biggie, better run and tell everybody”

    @Seesaws: Enjoying this, no?

    –Howard picks up his 5th on a Bron and-one. After more clutch play from Bron and Boobie, Bron does the same thing to foul Howard out and put the Cavs up 9.

    @A-Rod: Pretty sure Bron never took steroids, but it’s cool if you keep cheering.

    –With the shot clock winding down, Bron throws one of the more ridiculous passes I’ve ever seen to a cutting Vareajo for an and-one and an 11 point lead.

    @And-1: Pretty cool that you didn’t have to pay for sponsorship of the fourth quarter, no?

    –Anderson Varejao fouls out +26.

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    • Robbi Posted: May.29 at 1:06 am
      True that. Nice pass by LBJ!

    • Dacre Posted: May.29 at 1:19 am
      come back town!!!

    • Dacre Posted: May.29 at 1:53 am
      LeBron is an uncanny Xman.

    • neaorin Posted: May.29 at 2:12 am
      The reports on Boobie Gibson’s demise have been greatly exaggerated.

    • scorp99cam Posted: May.29 at 2:22 am
      Wow that was an irritating recap. I hate twitter even more now

    • Hisham Posted: May.29 at 3:57 am
      Didn’t watch the game, WILL watch game 6 @Orlando. The Magic don’t want it to go 7

    • Hisham Posted: May.29 at 3:57 am
      Twitter sucks, Jake Appleman rules

    • Babygab Posted: May.29 at 6:25 am
      Now if they take better care of the lead they’ve always seemed to get very easily the Cavs could force game 7 !!! And that ! Ladies and gentleman would be soooo “G !”

    • pennydunk_1 Posted: May.29 at 8:00 am
      @Jake Appleman; Hedo actually sucks vs greek national teams

    • Darksaber Posted: May.29 at 8:13 am
      Wow, Jake has a great way of writing. This was a very nice “recap” to read. Too many good Twitter Phrases to repeat, but i loved the “freshness” one. Just one question: is this a new column for Jake? Normally it’s an Appleseed production, no?

    • Darksaber Posted: May.29 at 8:36 am
      The whole turkish national team sucks when they go up against the Greeks. Most international teams do, except Team Redeem, Spain, at times Russia & Lithuania amd the Argentines. Oh my, that’s basically the world elite of b-ball in a nutshell.

    • BostonBaller Posted: May.29 at 8:47 am
      LeBron had a monster game, Beastly if you will. I’m amazed that he has taken everyones offensive wrap around and put a deadly twist on it. Players making a move to the hoop often use their hand and arm to wrap around the defenders waist and hold them back while going past them and James does it too but he has added a crushing chop to the midsection as he gets by and a 2nd chop for good measure once he is past the defender to make sure that he doesn’t have a chance to block him from behind. Brilliant move b/c the refs either never see it or ignore it EVERY time. He did it against Pietrus on that drive that fouled Howard out. Great game, can we please go to 7?

    • Ryan Jones Posted: May.29 at 9:00 am
      I was wrong to hate Twitter unconditionally. It has its uses. You just have to be picky.
      Also, is it OK if I thing Reggie Miller is slightly more tolerable now as an analyst? I didn’t want to punch him last night, which is new for me.
      Also, hi, Jake.

    • neaorin Posted: May.29 at 9:05 am
      Can I just say how lucky the Magic are that Dwight whiffed on that elbow?

    • Darksaber Posted: May.29 at 9:06 am
      I think relegating him to the studio boys lately has started mellowing him out, RJ. EJ, Chuck and Jet may finally be rubbing off on ‘ol dumbo ears.

    • MalanaCream Posted: May.29 at 9:20 am
      I’m so disappointed with LBJ after last night game… He’s a terrific player, obviously one of he best players in the L. Although his attitude yesterday was disgusting! I knew he was c0cky, but not THAT c0cky. In the last quarter he made a and 1 play, all the players came to him to cheer and he didnt even look to the guys. After that he made a pass to Varejao, who made a terrific and 1 play, after that Verejao looked at him to thank LBJ and, once more he didn’t even look to him.
      Have you ever seen MJ acting this way? Or Magic Johnson or any other player who have done a lot more than him in the L?
      He’s becoming a j*rk, basketball is a team sport and he didnt realize that yet. I think he should try play some golf, than he couldn’t complain about his teammates.

    • BostonBaller Posted: May.29 at 9:22 am
      Yeah, Howard needs to stop w/ the elbows and trying to make them look as if he’s just ripping the ball away. The elbows are intentional (and deadly and when they land he acts real innocent. The tech they took back was iffy. He is good at illussions (the Magic Kingdom effect)He didn’t really taunt but he wasn’t completely innocent either. Perkins was doing the same thing but he gets called for it more often. Hulk Green, Hulk no smile so Hulk not get benefit of doubt. Hulk still my man in the middle though.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 9:23 am
      Well on the extreme opposite, he could act like Joakim Noah after he makes a good play and make you think that he just came in his pants AND took a good sh*t, all at once.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 9:26 am
      And in all honesty, him and his team still have to win two elimination games, so maybe it’s a bit premature to celebrate random plays here and there when you still have a ton of work to do to salvage your season.

    • Sparker Posted: May.29 at 9:30 am
      “Magic/Nuggets would be a strange looking turd placed on the doorstep of my desire to write something important about the NBA Finals.” greatest line ever

    • Darksaber Posted: May.29 at 9:45 am
      Perkins is hulk? For real? I thought he was the swamp thing? Hehe

    • Darksaber Posted: May.29 at 9:47 am
      cosign E (the salvaging part, not Noah’s “hobbies”)

    • Darksaber Posted: May.29 at 9:54 am
      my candidate for line of the year? “Ben Gordon is playing h-o-r-s-e with God!” by dear Mr. Bengtson.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 9:58 am
      The Cavs did a good job of not getting down on themselves and going for the ‘hero’ play when the lead vanished. Orlando WILL go on runs, they just have to keep running their stuff. I thought Mike Brown did a good job of not panicking and lashing out on his guys. He kept his composure, kept motivating them. Everybody knows he’s no genius with the X and O’s but he does build confidence in his players.

    • Co Co Posted: May.29 at 10:03 am
      Mike Brown is not coaching this team. He admits as much in every press conference. His assistants deserve a pay raise and so does LeBron.

    • neaorin Posted: May.29 at 10:04 am
      @MalanaCream: you ARE aware of the fact that it was Jordan who made the expression “supporting cast” popular when referring to one superstar’s teammates, right?

    • neaorin Posted: May.29 at 10:05 am
      …even though said supporting cast might also include a future Hall of Famer?

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 10:07 am
      Co Co, I agree 100%. Just pointing out that him not panicking seemed to instill some confidence in his players. What is mindboggling to me is that he just figured out that Bron is unguardable from the high post. They basically ran at the end of the game what the Celtics run everytime they want a bucket from PP. I’d also like to see more side pick n rolls. Sigh, quite frankly, I’d like to see another coach…

    • neaorin Posted: May.29 at 10:07 am
      People are apparently surprised by the fact that Mike Brown doesn’t coach the offense. He was NEVER able to do that.

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.29 at 10:27 am
      Jake knows I felt the same way about the twitter. But Jake also knows that I have come to enjoy the twitter. The trending topics and pseudo challenge of finding enough room to be clever in 140 characters make it worthwhile in small spurts and some people are genuinely funny. Jones is supposedly too mature, but I suppose any man with two kids has a worthwhile excuse not to do anything. Jake and his Buffalo Gal need to come out tonight. Please? @mdotbrown The Cavs have lost more leads in this series than the LAPD in the BIG & Pac murders

    • Ben Osborne Posted: May.29 at 10:39 am
      Love reading this recap and comments in its entirety with Myles being the current last comment, as Jake’s notes were great, and Myles’ LAPD line was even greater.

    • Ryan Jones Posted: May.29 at 10:47 am
      Who said I was mature?

    • Co Co Posted: May.29 at 10:52 am
      I love Twitter. I did a Twitter recap a long time ago about the Hawks and Mavericks. Good times.
      My favorite line from here
      @Orlando Middle Pick-and-Roll: I find your effectiveness obnoxious.

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.29 at 10:59 am
      Yeah, I take that back Jones. You probably just think youre too good for twitter for multiple reasons, about four of which are actually true. And that line was gold, but the guaran tees was the best. Jake was made for twitter and he just wont do it. Kinda like how Chris Brown and Lindsay Lohan were made for each other. They just dont know it yet.

    • Harlem_World Posted: May.29 at 11:23 am
      Mike Brown is part of the supporting cast. And he’s lucky he even gets that credit. Nothing more than an AAU coach to me.

    • The Seed Posted: May.29 at 11:28 am
      I can not watch Lebron play anymore, him holding the ball for 7 straight possessions, then A) knowing he will get the call, B) if he trips over his own feet will get the call, C) if I jump into Dwight Howard I will get the call. I want to see Lebron raise up and shoot with some skill and confidence. I have never see a superstar play like this, can’t shoot and looks for refs calls, when he doesn’t get them he does complain and gets them next time. Lebron Finals sucked in ratings before, because of this play, 1 on 5. Also to me it must be hard playing with Lebron in games, he waves off Mo, doesn’t use Mo screen, won’t give the ball to anyone else to set him up, To me this shows his limited skil to catch the ball off a screen and shoot or raise up and shoot. I would be mad if I was his teammate and I can’t touch the ball when the game is on the line, or at least try to make something happen. Last night was ball hoggess, and I know his teammates must be like dang, he gets on the credit for wins, we get all the credit for losses-but we never can get in the game. I hope Orlando wins so I don’t have to watch this middle school offense with a big high school student on it. Alot of people do hate his game and the way he comes off, he haven’t even won a ring and is called King, the chosen one, He is getting too hyped up for my taste, feel likes him and the media are pushing him on me-hes the best, triple double. I am tried of it. Lebron has talent, but his skill is lacking, Like someone stated to me, is the best player in the NBA- a person who can’t shoot and waits for calls by refs.

    • Stan Posted: May.29 at 11:35 am
      If skip just went for the ball instead of blocking mo out, he could have gotten a better result than Mo throwing the ball on his leg. I think that was the pivotal play of the game because bron scored on a 3pt play and cavs never lost the lead after that. skip played a mo like game but worst. I also hate howard for not trying to block shots and instead would just raise his hands. He usually gets called for a foul anyway so might as well try to block it. He has a lot to learn, the magic should have hired hakeem instead of ewing to mentor him.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 11:39 am
      Your Leberon hate comments are so refreshing, Seed….for a Kobe fan.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 11:40 am
      Or Lebron

    • TADOne Posted: May.29 at 11:42 am
      Didn’t LeBron have 14 boards and 12 assists last night?? Or was I watching another game?

    • knock knock Posted: May.29 at 11:46 am
      agree with seed. Anyone who watches lebron play and thinks any different is either a cavs fan or dumb. What an amazing 38 points!!! Only more than 50% of his points from the freethrow line. Watching a cavs game is like watching lebron shoot freethrows all game long.

    • neaorin Posted: May.29 at 11:47 am
      @The Seed: they just found a setup the opponent had no answer for and stuck with it. If you’re gonna get on him for that, why not criticize the Magic for running two plays (middle Hedo / Howard pick and roll and Dwight post-up) ninety percent of the time? Sorry but while Mo and Delonte can also penetrate and go to the hoop, nearly every time they’ve tried that this series Dwight made it almost impossible for them to get a shot off.

    • TADOne Posted: May.29 at 11:49 am
      Apparently i’m dumb. Oh well.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 11:52 am
      It’s ’cause your name isn’t highlighted in blue, TAD.

    • TADOne Posted: May.29 at 11:55 am
      Blue, schmlue.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 12:00 pm
      It’s like you became viable with just a few keystrokes.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 12:07 pm
      CO-SIGN SEED. OMG LEBRICK SUCKS HES ONLY GOOD BCUZ HES SO BIG HE CANT SHOOT AND HES SOOOOOOOO NOT CLUTCH. THE LEAGUE JUST FOULED OUT ANDY AND Z TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THERE WASNT ANY CONSPIRACY. ANYBODY WITH THAT PHYSIQUE COULD AVERAGE 8 ASSTS PER GAME! ANYBODY COULD AVG 41-8-8 CANT YOU GUYS SEE THAT!?! HE’S LIKE THE WORST 35% SHOOTER FROM DOWNTOWN IN THE HISTORY OF THE LEAGUE! HIS GAME WINNING SHOT WAS TOTALLY NOT A CATCH N SHOOT BECAUSE HE CAN’T CATCH N SHOOT BECAUSE HE HAS NO SHOT! OMG HE SUX! STOP BELIEVING THE HYPE!

    • Zee! Posted: May.29 at 12:11 pm
      Lmao!!!

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 12:14 pm
      Z, you forgot to add in a few lines about how he’s not even good enough to beat Kobe’s puppet. Just to make it authentic.

    • Ryan Jones Posted: May.29 at 12:18 pm
      I actually have two Twitter accounts. The fact that neither of them is traceable to me makes me the smartest man in America.

    • Ryan Jones Posted: May.29 at 12:19 pm
      If we banned all irrational Kobe and/or LeBron comments for a day, would slamonline cease to exist?

    • Stan Posted: May.29 at 12:25 pm
      i think slamonline should put up a forum already, so 10 years from now people can look back and say, look at this people having this lebron/kobe argument while dwight wins 4 championships with wade.

    • The Seed Posted: May.29 at 12:29 pm
      I never said Lebron is not good, just don’t like his game, being predicated on getting fouls called. When I think of a superstar, I think of someone in basketball, that has other moves instead of one, can shoot with confidence and let his teammates make plays. I really feel the Cavs are down, because of Lebron holding the ball to much and not letting others get into the action, only action they get is when Lebron can’t shoot, or they are open for threes. It works- like last night, hasn’t worked alot, since they are down 3-2. I predict the refs helping Lebron, as long as he drives to the bucket and jumps into someone, going to seven games and one more thing for Lebron to be so athletic, why doesn’t he dunk on people more. He doesn’t have a lot of highlight dunks on people. And Eboy, I am a Kobe fan, but I would be a Lebron fan, if he worked on his confidence shooting and not depend on sorry calls for wins. He had two and 1’s and usually creates the contact.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.29 at 12:47 pm
      “Dwight, are you able to be as physical as you want to be?” “No.”

    • Bryan Posted: May.29 at 12:49 pm
      @the seed 11:28: that might be the single dumbest comment anyone has ever posted on here.

    • comets Posted: May.29 at 12:51 pm
      skip bayless said this morning the (lerefs help cavs win)

    • Khalid Salaam Posted: May.29 at 12:51 pm
      how long before twitter becomes the new myspace? im just curious? the over/under is a year and a half. what do u guys think? i’m taking the under……ALSO, on the play where howard fouled out is in my eyes a classic example of why there are so many ppl frustrated with lebron. look at the replay..what is it that howard did that warranted a foul? He put his arms up and tried to stay in front of the basket. he didnt use his elbows or use his body to initiate contact. lebron goes into his body and gets the call. its just so blatant. i feel embarrassed watching these games sometimes. how is howard or anybody supposed to guard him? I wanna know? what i hear lately is some variation of ” this is the nba, its always been like this” or “all superstars get bs calls, thats how it is” and i’m like so what? just because something is tradition doesn’t mean its right or that i have to accept it w/o criticism. tradition please! catholic priests getting familiar with little boys is tradition too but it ain’t right. someone tell me why i can’t be mad?

    • comets Posted: May.29 at 12:55 pm
      seed has a point…. if the prince would of missed those shots they would of blamed his teammates for not stepping up…

    • The Seed Posted: May.29 at 12:56 pm
      @Bryan 12:49: Read Khalid 12:51 comment, he is frustrated to with these Lebron calls, I am not the only one.

    • comets Posted: May.29 at 12:57 pm
      if the prince misses those shots last night they blame the teammates for not giving him enough help..

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 1:05 pm
      Be mad, Khalid. And write more. I, among many, still miss reading your words on the site. And regarding the Lebron foulfest, come on Kha, you know damn well that although it may not be right, it’s part of the game, has been since ratings and merchandise sales became viable in the early 80’s. For every bullsh*t call on Dwight in this series, there has to be at least 3000 of the same calls I’ve seen over the course of 25 years of NBA watching on other cats that were vicitmized. It’s part of the process. Let’s put it like this. I know you love Big Shaq, right? How did it feel to watch that dude struggle with his game when the refs took away his power moves by calling every offensive foul that was debated as a flop or not a couple of seasons ago? Kind of sucked right? So basically what, Lebron should just give up using his size advantage and not make devastating moves to the basket ’cause of perception? Is it actually Lebron’s fault or is it the refs and the “conspiracy” of the league many of us know there exists in some form but so many others think is a hoax? It’s all the same sh*t, just another player, at another time.

    • wayno Posted: May.29 at 1:05 pm
      The Seed might actually be Kobe’s mom…just throwing it out there…

    • Ryan Jones Posted: May.29 at 1:07 pm
      http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/stan_van_gundy_draws_up?utm_source=a-section

    • Bryan Posted: May.29 at 1:08 pm
      I don’t think lebron is the problem its the refs in general and you guys are making it about him. The refs are horrendous, worse now than I can ever remember. Its like they’re trying to upstage the players and make the game about them which is working right now. Its pathetic.

    • Ryan Jones Posted: May.29 at 1:08 pm
      Make sure to check for my 1:07 pm post, which will hopefully be moderated shortly. I think it’s the last word on the Cleveland-Orlando series. It certainly should be.

    • Michael Posted: May.29 at 1:08 pm
      Lebron is a freaking an Alien. I’ve watched the Lakers blow leads all season, but the Caveliers are impressive with that S**t. At least the Lakers wait to the second half, these guys blow 20pt leads in 5 minutes.

    • wayno Posted: May.29 at 1:10 pm
      All joking aside…Do I like LeBron? Not at all. Do I think the refs give him ALOT of calls? Absolutely. But to deny the fact that he’s a phenominal talent is just pure hate. The guy is a beast, and he’s the most imposing force in the league right now, period.

    • Eric Posted: May.29 at 1:18 pm
      Khalid, you beef is with the officials. How can you be “frustrated with Lebron”? What Lebron did is no different than a shooter jumping into his man and getting the call and going to the line. Lebron is not the only one that get those calls. Are you frustrated and want to criticize then? Khalid, you don’t have a problem with what you have problem with who. you have problem with who. And thats fine. But remember your frustration and the fact that Lebron is over hyped when you are playing groupie at another one of his slam photo shoots.

    • Khalid Salaam Posted: May.29 at 1:22 pm
      Eboy,i think one of the reason i write for the site less is that i don’t always want to be negative. Sports is escapism for a lot of people and i know the majority of the people don’t care. nba ref quality is the steroids of basketball. we all know its bs but we accept it anyway. i’m just fatigued with it all. plus lately the banter on the site has been too moronic fo rmy taste. every day its lakers suck or cavs suck or ppl name-calling or something retarded. thats not really my style….regarding the point u made about shaq yeah he got nailed with a lot of flopping by other players. with bron its the other way around. while shaq didn’t always get the benefit of the doubt (he got call of course, so im not saying he didnt) i feel like lebron almost always gets it. game 3 i believe, was the 1st time i’ve really seen calls going against him in key situations. i’m not saying its a conspiracy. but its not cool whatever it is…..also, wayno’s 1: 05 comment made me laugh out loud for real.

    • Khalid Salaam Posted: May.29 at 1:26 pm
      really eric? playing groupie? me? really? trust me, i’m not that dude. last time i interviewed him i was frustrated at his cookie-cutter answers to some of my questions and i let him know. we had a photo shoot yeah but i was peeved. there’s pic to prove it.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 1:28 pm
      Kha, I feel you, and I’m part of the immaturate comments a bunch myself, so I feel bad that I was part of the problem that led you away.

    • comets Posted: May.29 at 1:36 pm
      yall do alot of name calling on this site

    • Co Co Posted: May.29 at 1:40 pm
      And another thing…..

    • Ryan Jones Posted: May.29 at 1:48 pm
      My 1:07 comment has been moderated. Everybody read that and then go home.

    • Eric Posted: May.29 at 1:49 pm
      Khalid, maybe Dude’s cookie cutter answers were in response to cookie-cutter questions. Why are you looking to an athlete for deep stimulating convo? Are you serious. But anyway I just think that it’s interesting and entertaing that the some of the same people that are reponsible for all the hype of this dude are pissing all over him now.

    • TADOne Posted: May.29 at 1:49 pm
      That ish was funny Jones. Thanks. The Onion>these message boards.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 1:53 pm
      Khalid, my problem is that it’s always mentioned with Bron but every superstar gets that call on Howard. D-Wade won a ’ship witht those calls. LeBron averages about 10 ft a game which is right around the norm for superstars, no more that Wade or Bryant when he used to go the hole. Yeah the refs are bad, they’re bad for everybody. There’s nothing that makes me suggest that Bron gets calls that other superstars don’t.

    • Co Co Posted: May.29 at 1:54 pm
      I think the officiating throughout the playoffs has been awful. The problem I think most people have with the way they officiate LeBron is that they treat him like he’s untouchable at all points in the game. The way Cleveland can beat Orlando is to get their best player in foul trouble which they’ve successfully done. The Magic will never have such an advantage because LeBron is never going to be in foul trouble. He’s the only so called great defensive player who apparently never fouls. It’s amazing, he really might be perfect.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.29 at 1:56 pm
      I agree with Khalid 100 percent on everything. And Twitter’s already the new Myspace.

    • AR Posted: May.29 at 1:56 pm
      CoCo gets it.I’m getting seriously sick of people questioning LeBron’s infallibility.

    • TADOne Posted: May.29 at 1:57 pm
      I agree with CoCo. LeBron is perfect.

    • comets Posted: May.29 at 1:57 pm
      everyone is lebron bias we are witnesses… i just threw flour in the air

    • AR Posted: May.29 at 1:58 pm
      “In contrast to the nation’s utter indifference toward Turkoglu, a TNT poll indicated that if given the choice, most viewers would still prefer to smack J.J. Redick right in the face”

    • Khalid Salaam Posted: May.29 at 1:58 pm
      who is this eric person?

    • comets Posted: May.29 at 1:59 pm
      twitter is nothing like myspace… its has know foundation of socializing u just get random thoughts… facebook is better than both

    • TADOne Posted: May.29 at 2:01 pm
      Eric is your arch enemy, apparently. Welcome to the group.

    • Co Co Posted: May.29 at 2:02 pm
      Twitter has been absolutely phenomenal throughout these playoffs. You guys really should check it out.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 2:03 pm
      Kobe is averaging 2.6 fouls per game in the playoffs. Compared to 2.0 for Bron. For the season it’s 2.3 vs 1.7. Neither of them is in foul trouble very often. Perception is reality it seems.

    • TADOne Posted: May.29 at 2:04 pm
      It’s kind of bad when I can’t tell if CoCo is being serious or not.

    • TADOne Posted: May.29 at 2:05 pm
      If a group of NBA superstars played a pickup game where they called their own fouls, how would that turn out?

    • Co Co Posted: May.29 at 2:06 pm
      I’m serious about Twitter Tad. And I’m serious about LeBron being perfect.

    • wayno Posted: May.29 at 2:07 pm
      LMAO @ Ryan 1:07… I love the onion…they did a really funny article on Hedo the other day too.

    • TADOne Posted: May.29 at 2:07 pm
      I miss the sarcastic you.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 2:08 pm
      And just for good measure, Battier avg 1.90 fouls per game this season. It’s possible to play perimeter D w/o fouling. I watch a lot of Bron’s games and he rarely tries to steal the dribbler or beat him to a spot for a charge. He shadows him and tries to bother the shot, that’s it. You won’t pick up many fouls that way.

    • AR Posted: May.29 at 2:08 pm
      TAD:Depends whether Zach Randolph is involved.
      *Notices the word superstar*
      Nevermind.

    • wayno Posted: May.29 at 2:08 pm
      http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/nation_refuses_to_get_to?utm_source=ticker

    • wayno Posted: May.29 at 2:10 pm
      The Hedo article is awaiting moderation…funny stuff though.

    • Co Co Posted: May.29 at 2:10 pm
      Well we all know Shane is the best basketball player ever so that goes without saying.

    • TADOne Posted: May.29 at 2:12 pm
      I like his natural cornrows.

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.29 at 2:12 pm
      I obviously have no problem being negative someitmes. But I agree with Russ, who agreed with Kha.

    • Co Co Posted: May.29 at 2:12 pm
      What I’m coming to realize is that if you are an unabashed fan of certain players you don’t notice the preferential treatment they get. That’s cool.

    • wayno Posted: May.29 at 2:14 pm
      Shane’s head is ribbed for her comfort…

    • Allenp Posted: May.29 at 2:22 pm
      Dwight Howard was moving to the left when he collided with Lebron on that last play. That was a legit foul, no matter how straight his arms were.
      Now, that Peitrus fould from Game Four was some crap. And I can think of a few other instances where Lebron got bailed out, but that wasn’t a bail out with Howard. They could have just let it be a no call, but it was actually a foul in my opinion.
      Anyway, I agree with everyone about the refs. There needs to be consistency throughout the game. It used to be that within five minutes of the start of a game you knew what kind of game it was going to be all night. No longer. It all depends on the score and the players on the floor now.
      This is all because Stern wants to improve the league’s “image.” The techs, the flagrants, the dress code, they all go back to the same root.

    • The Seed Posted: May.29 at 2:23 pm
      WayNo might actually be Hedo’s partner…just throwing it out there…

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: May.29 at 2:24 pm
      LeBron James IS the Cleveland Cavaliers. He’s playing 1 on 5 basketball. Naturally, he’s good enough to win at least once.

    • TADOne Posted: May.29 at 2:25 pm
      So does everyone else think that both series are going 7 games? Or is Kobe closing it out tonight?

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 2:26 pm
      Co Co, I totally agree with you. LeBron gets a preferential treatment from the ref. He gets superstar calls. I just find it ridiculous that some believe that he’s getting calls that Kob and D-Wade and AI in his prime are/were not getting. I remember that you weren’t allowed to sneeze when AI was driving to the basket. Why is this being portrayed as a new phenomenon? That’s my beef.

    • Co Co Posted: May.29 at 2:26 pm
      It seems to me in this round the officials call the game according to who needs a win most.

    • The Seed Posted: May.29 at 2:31 pm
      Z, these Lebron calls are going overboard, where a player is looking for fouls, instead of shooting the rock, he would rather drive and jump into Howard, instead of shooting with confidence and Kobe and AI, Dwade didn’t get these calls. Dwade did in the Finals and you see what happened. Lebron in 7.

    • comets Posted: May.29 at 2:32 pm
      i hate when they give someone a tech then take it back the next day.. do they take the point back? no.. then if u give kobe that flagrant foul in game 4 that they upgraded that changes the momentum of the game it does not help the next day.. they have a real problem with.. last lebron gets a clear path lay up what is that a fouls is a foul. u foul dwight intentionaly under the basket is that not clear to the rim ..

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: May.29 at 2:45 pm
      My main beef with the calls (aside from Superstar treatment) is the fact that the game has become so soft in terms of touch fouls and shooting fouls. A center is literally trapped now, without any options of defending if a player just so much as jumps into him. Seriously, what can a player like Dwight Howard do when LeBron James rushes into the lane and dives into his chest? Even if he stands straight up, its his foul. Let’s be honest, real centers don’t flop often.

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.29 at 2:48 pm
      Every star gets calls, but one of the differences to me is that LeBron is the most unstoppable player inthe history of the league going to the basket. When someone 6′9, 270 frequently initiates contact, he shouldnt also get every call.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.29 at 3:01 pm
      The League changing calls after the fact just makes their already shaky officials look that much more incompetent. And it doesn’t change what happened. Sure, it’s nice that Dwight won’t get suspended after one more tech, but HIS unwarranted tech led to Ewing’s tech, and hey, the game was tied at the end of regulation. Not to say those two points made all the difference, but who’s to say they didn’t? Sometimes I just want to turn it all off.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 3:02 pm
      Why shouldn’t he? Wouldn’t that be penalizing him because he’s stronger than the other wings? The refs are not here to ‘even out’ the game. LeBron driving, Shaq posting up. Same difference. Both get a backlash not because of what they do but because they’re stronger than everybody else who does it. I’m cool with people not liking the way he plays the game, that’s an opinion. I just think it’s dishonest to say that he gets an unusual amount of calls when he shoots the same number of ft’s per game as Dwight and D-Wade.

    • Co Co Posted: May.29 at 3:13 pm
      Are you talking about regular season ft’s or post season? I’m pretty sure he’s averaging more ft’s than Wade right now….. I kid, but here’s my thing, if you initiate the contact shouldn’t the foul be on you? I guess it just depends on the name on the back of your jersey. Also, the worst calls are the ones that they don’t give him until after he’s missed the shot. Those are egregious.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 3:17 pm
      Co Co, I’ll just repeat myself. What you’ve said apply to all the superstar wings. Why is Bron being singled out when the numbers say that he is right at the norm for a player of his caliber? People will believe what they want to believe and disregard stats that don’t support their opinions. That’s cool.

    • CityLeagueHoops Posted: May.29 at 3:21 pm
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lOkiFaRTZs No one has swagger like the Cavs!

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.29 at 3:28 pm
      Im not look to to penalize Bron, but the appropriate comparison as has been noted, is Shaq who was also a difficult player to officiate due to his size and strength advantage. If Bron is quicker and bigger and stronger than his defenders and they bounce off of him like bowling pins after he initiates contact, then perhaps he has enough of an advantage where he doesnt need the ’superstar’ calls that his peers get. It just seems impossible for a defender who is already at a severe disadvantage to be put in an even more difficult situation by knowing he cant counter Brons physicality without drawing a foul.

    • Co Co Posted: May.29 at 3:29 pm
      Well Z, that’s simple, because he’s the one playing right now. And it’s not a crime to not shower Lebron with adulation. There are many people who think he’s being overly favored. I happen to be one of them. It’s about more than free throws. They let him run over players, hell he even gets to get all pissy with the refs with no repercussions. It seems to me he has a longer leash than anyone else in these playoffs. He gets the benefit of doubt all the time. And you can say it isn’t his fault and that’s true, but the fact that he acts like he’s entitled to that treatment makes it easy to root against him.

    • Allenp Posted: May.29 at 3:31 pm
      Z
      Actually, it’s not just superstar wings. It’s offensive players in general.
      You want someone who’s not a superstar, but gets a crazy amount of calls by initiating contact?
      Kevin Martin.
      That dude stays at the free throw line because he understands that if an offensive player and defensive player are both moving, any contact is typically going to get a foul called on the defensive player.
      Chauncey Billups understands the same thing.

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.29 at 3:32 pm
      Furthermore, the superstar call, is no different to me than the rookie call or the late game call in that the status of the players involved and the situation are instantaneously considered before assessing blame. So I dont particularly mind when a star gets the benefit of the doubt in any given situation, but egregious violations of the rules just seem like an unfair advantage to any player who doesnt particularly need them. And that can refer to Kobes elbow, Dwyanes & Brons traveling or anything else of the sort. The rich dont need to get any richer.

    • Co Co Posted: May.29 at 3:34 pm
      Plus, they fouled out the Magic’s best player on two real questionable calls against LeBron. One of them we all know Dwight didn’t touch him and the other one he initiated contact yet again he was rewarded with free throws and in the process sent Dwight to the bench. The point is, there’s more than one way to show a player preferential treatment and they always figure out a way to give it to Lebron.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 3:36 pm
      I don’t know if I’ve ever been in such complete agreement with Myles ever. Co-sign 100%, but I think an influx of much younger and not so gloryhound minded officials would also take away alot of the angst fans feel towards the chosen one(s) getting the benefit of the doubt and overexaggerated calls.

    • Co Co Posted: May.29 at 3:37 pm
      I’m not a fan of the Superstar calls at all(that could be because the Hawks don’t have a superstar) I don’t think you should be treated special just because of who you are. Especially not when the league is constantly trying to reassure us that the games are called fairly. It shouldn’t matter if you’re a rookie or a 12th man or a household name. The game needs to be officiated the same for everyone.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 3:37 pm
      Co Co, to be fair though, Z and Sideshow fouled out too and that’s 2/5th’s of Cleveland starters.

    • Allenp Posted: May.29 at 3:37 pm
      I don’t think Lebron should be penalized for initiating contact anymore than any player is penalized.
      There is an art to get foul calls.
      Paul Pierce understands, Allen Iverson understood it. Tim Duncan, Parker and Manu are great at it.
      Certain situations will get you a foul all the time.
      The problem is that Lebron is almost always driving to the basket. Plus, he dominates the ball for his team.
      Honestly, it makes sense that he shoots 20+ free throws because of how much he touches the ball and how often he’s going to the rack.
      Y’all saw the game. The Cavs basically spent the fourth quarter isolating Lebron at teh free throw line and telling him to go get a bucket at the rim. Or pass to the open guy. That’s all they did the entire quarter. That’s going to result in a lot of contact and a lot of fouls.
      Same holds true with Iverson and Wade when they shot free throws. I remember Ray Allen swearing the Bucks were gettiing jobbed by the refs because of how often Iverson as at the line.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 3:40 pm
      Co-sign Allen too. If a dude is putting the onus on the officials to make calls by driving hard and drawing (or creating) contact there’s got to be some type of precedent instead of the no-call which is completely infuriating on most occasions.

    • Co Co Posted: May.29 at 3:40 pm
      To be fair Eboy, that was their strategy….. They wanted to foul Dwight.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 3:41 pm
      ‘perhaps he has enough of an advantage where he doesnt need the ’superstar’ calls that his peers get’. how’s that not penalizing him because he’s stronger?

    • Harlem_World Posted: May.29 at 3:42 pm
      Every great wing player you can name has had the same ’superstar’ call treatment. Doc, Magic, Bird, MJ, Kobe. They all got it. I wouldn’t say, relative to what we’ve seen with DWade, that Bron’s calls are any more pronounced than those guys.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 3:45 pm
      I know that Co Co, but you can’t tell me, either threw Dwight’s intelligence (which I think is pretty solid) and Van Jeremey’s complaints to the media and I’m sure his hysterical practice notes, that Dwight DOESN’T realize he’s in danger of picking up fouls trying to play Bron on those drives. Not saying he needs to clear the lane like an air traffic controller, but take a charge, go for the ball, many of Dwight’s call’s this series against Bron have been the floating to the side trying to get in Bron’s path, which someone pointed out earlier, technically, is a defensive foul.

    • Co Co Posted: May.29 at 3:47 pm
      Um yes, just step out of the way and give him an uncontested layup. That could be problematic for the Magic.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.29 at 3:47 pm
      If I’m Dwight, and I KNOW I’m going to get called for a foul no matter WHAT I do when LeBron drives, I’m gonna hit him as hard as I can. Why foul out on touch fouls or contact initiated by the offensive player? Here’s hoping he goes out like Rick Mahorn in the seemingly inevitable Game Seven. (That said, I hope they TCoB in six.)

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 3:47 pm
      i don’t believe in conspiracy theories and i don’t believe that the refs are that enamored with bron that they give him calls that kob, wade and every other superstars don’t get. coco, there is nothing that you’ve said that applies solely on bron. they all feel that they’re owes those calls. you’ve seen kobe grill the refs, you’ve seen wade do it, you’ve seen bron do it. / if you say that you’re not a fan of the superstar calls, i think that’s legit. if you say that you’re not a fan of the superstar calls on bron, well that’s another thing.

    • Co Co Posted: May.29 at 3:48 pm
      I agree with Russ. I’m out!

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 3:51 pm
      Good points, Russ and Z. For real, Dwight’s one of the few guys that could probably put Lebron on his ass if he chose to. It could be time for that. Between the Melo/Kobe lovefest and the Bron/Dwight one, it’s hard to think that any of these guys truly are “out for blood” to try and take a choke hold on their respective series if it means hurting their BFF’s feelings.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 3:52 pm
      russ, in today’s nba, hitting someone as hard as you can is called a flagrant. 2, even. someone should do a recap of the fouls that were called when bron was driving to the hoop last night. then try to figure out if other superstars would have gotten those same exact calls, if the answer is yes, keep moving. does kobe foul out dwight on that late drive? does wade foul out dwight on that late drive?

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 3:53 pm
      Z is making too much sense for a late Friday afternoon.

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.29 at 3:56 pm
      Because if he can muscle his ay to the basket time and time again the same way that Shaq could just back a player down with force, then someone should be allowed to be physicial to have a fighting chance. Its not penalizing him, he already has a clear advantage. If anything its a slight compensation for a league of overmatched defenders. Hes not AI or DWade who were quick yet relatively small and thusly affected more by fouls, hes a linebacker on rocketskates whos allowed to bowl over anything in his path without repercussion. Every great player who has transcended the rules has forced a new set to be applied to them from Wilt to Shaq, Bron is simply the first wing to warrant such considerations.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.29 at 3:56 pm
      Then Dwight should get a flagrant 2. I’m dead serious. Better than continuously fouling out on some BS touch foul (or, in the case of Game Four, a BS non-touch foul). Headhunt. Draw blood. Get your money’s worth, Dwight. Bring the ’90s back. Especially if you’re up big in G6. If they’re gonna call it a foul anyway, make it a good one.

    • Harlem_World Posted: May.29 at 3:58 pm
      Agree with E on that one. After Melo knocked Kobe on his ass, he spent 3 minutes asking if he was alright?!! This is the CONFERENCE FINALS!

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.29 at 3:59 pm
      And to clarify, I’m not talking about a two-handed shove in the back or a smack in the face, here. Nothing dirty. I’m talking a good, hard play on the ball that would make Chuck Daly proud. Some Jordan Rules ish. No and-1s allowed. Fight power with power.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 3:59 pm
      Yeah, but Russ, can the Magic afford losing Dwight for a potential Game 7 if that type pf foul is called and reviewed by Stu and put’s him out for it? No they can’t obviously, so it’s got to be someone else making that “sacrifice”. Maybe Gortat or however his name is spelled?

    • Bryan Posted: May.29 at 4:00 pm
      The only thing I can say about what myles said earlier about lebron getting an unfair advantage by getting superstar calls. Just because he’s stronger and can take contact better than other wing players doesn’t mean he should get less calls. People used to MUG shaq with no call because he was big enough to take it supposedly , so basically its like you have to flagrant foul lebron for him to get the call if we’re saying he’s strong enough to take it, that’s not fair either. Fouls should be called evenly , of course they never will be but if its a foul to hit nate robinson and put him down then it should be a foul for bron too whether or not he goes down.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 4:01 pm
      Got it. This sh*t needs a Terminator X soundtrack behind it.

    • Sparker Posted: May.29 at 4:01 pm
      i think pietrus got the short end a couple of times, but dwight, like a few of the folks posting today, doesn’t seem to realize that you can foul someone with your body. and on the other end, he’s throwing ferocious elbows and acting like it’s not intentional. none of this bothers me (okay, his look of grinning incredulity every time he gets whistled does), but it is showing me he’s not as squeaky clean as his pr makes him out to be

    • Harlem_World Posted: May.29 at 4:01 pm
      Blame the refs on no 90’s style head hunting. Guys scared they’ll get suspended for a game. No blood/no foul is no longer part of professional basketball. Damn shame.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 4:02 pm
      i understand your angle better now, myles. however, i don’t think it was right to change the interpretation of the rules for shaq then and i don’t think it’s right to do it for bron now. they’re bigger, they’re stronger, good for them. so be it. it’s not like the league is such at a competitive disadvantage that it warrants such measures. those players aren’t just big, they’re also effing skilled. if it was just a matter of being stronger than everybody, dwight would average shaq numbers back in his orlando days.

    • Harlem_World Posted: May.29 at 4:04 pm
      Also, maybe I’m a little souped on what is or isn’t possible with James athleticism BUT I’m waiting for that play where he comes down the middle and meets Dwight at the rim and goes over him. Symbolically, that will end the series. Prolly will never happen though, but f@k it, he should try - especially if they struggling.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.29 at 4:04 pm
      No, it has to be Dwight making a hard play on the ball. If LeBron can drive full-bore into his chest and Dwight’s gonna get called for a foul for it, he has to make it count. Fine, ‘Bron was the MVP. Dwight was the damn defensive player of the year, that doesn’t count for anything? Dwight needs to make a stand. Not Gortat or Battie or Patrick freaking Ewing. Dwight. If LeBron is going to get all the leeway in the world to play the game his way, Dwight has to fight fire with fire and play HIS way. And if he fouls out or gets ejected doing it, so be it. At least everyone’ll know how things are. As if they didn’t already.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 4:08 pm
      Can i quickly interject that I heard the same sh*t about Dwyane in 2006 and it tainted his title win. I don’t think that’s 100% fair for either him, Lebron (if he was to win one) or anyone else that wins (won) a title with the benefit of ref’s calls at some point, cause all the good work Dwyane did, Lebron has done, etc. get’s overlooked unfairly.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 4:08 pm
      and if anything, it’s gortat and battie that should put the hammer down on bron. dwight has to stay in the game for the magic. how about trying to contest the shot w/o going body to body in the air with the player. dwight rarely fouls with his arms but he often makes contact with the body. fair or not that has always been a foul. oyou know what was NOT a foul? when he blocked lebron’s 3 from behing in game 3 or 4. that was a legitimate blow call that fouled him out.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.29 at 4:09 pm
      And for the record, I’d say the same damn thing if Dwight was playing Kobe or Dwyane. If you’re gonna get fouls called on you playing tentative and cautious, you may as well go all-out. ‘Cause you’re gonna foul out either way.

    • Harlem_World Posted: May.29 at 4:10 pm
      I just don’t think the stars of today want to win badly enough. Not to the point where they will foul the sh*t out of the opposing superstar on a hard play to send a message. It doesn’t end there either. One of the things that separated Jordan, in my opinion was his competitiveness. All star players are competitive, but his was just on another level. He would have dunked on him moms to win. Or fouled the sh*t out of Juanita…(I’m talking about ON the court this time)

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.29 at 4:11 pm
      To me personally, a foul is a violation that advresely impedes a players shot or progress. Since different players are of different degrees of athleticism and skill sets, then its within reason to assume that a ‘foul’ on Nate Robinson is not exactly a ‘foul’ on LeBron because it affects them in different ways, no?

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 4:11 pm
      Look, we all know Shaq’s Lakers/Michael’s Bulls got the benefit of a ton of calls collectivley but none of us that saw all of them firsthand would never say they were underserving champs. If the Lakers or te Cavs were to win, besides their fanbases, there’d be a ton of people questioning the validity of that title due to the orrid reffing and the perceived favortism both of those squads get.

    • Harlem_World Posted: May.29 at 4:12 pm
      Magic aren’t winning in these playoffs because they want it more than the opposition. They’re winning because they are more talented so far.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 4:13 pm
      *horrid

    • ciolkstar Posted: May.29 at 4:13 pm
      I think the issue is that lebron driving at full speed is literally IMPOSSIBLE to guard. And sorry, but Russ is just being foolish right now. The last two fouls on dwight last night are fouls the other way if its pietrus driving into Varejao/Big Z. Thats the way fouls are called in the NBA, if an offensive player is moving with the ball and a defender slides under him and makes contact with the body, whether or not his hands aree staright up (which is basically impossible when there’s hard body contact) its a foul on the defense. Its Dwight’s fault that he’s trying to challenge the most physically dynamic player in recent memory at the rim without trying to block the shot AND not get a foul called. Sorry dude, its juts not gonna happen.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 4:13 pm
      And that would be unfair to both of them too, regardless if their was any truth behind it.

    • ciolkstar Posted: May.29 at 4:14 pm
      Myles, I think that reasoning is an EXTREMELY slippery slope.

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.29 at 4:16 pm
      Of course it is. But thats why I referenced the only other players in the Ls history thatId put on that slope, Wilt and Shaq. Everyone else are mere mortals and should be called accordingly.

    • Ryan Jones Posted: May.29 at 4:16 pm
      Slam should do a special issue about officiating.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 4:16 pm
      myles, i couldn’t disagree more. a foul is a foul. it doesn’t matter if it knocks you on your a– or not. a very good example of this, as pointed by jvg, was when danthay jones pushed kobe from behind with two hands. that would have been an automatic ejection and a one-game suspension if kobe had gotten hurt. you don’t call the ‘effect’ the foul has on someone but the foul itself. rules are meant to be as objective as possible. tony parker shouldn’t get more calls than players of his caliber because he ends up in the 5th row after every drive.

    • Bryan Posted: May.29 at 4:19 pm
      Why because lebron can’t be knocked to floor as easily as nate? That’s what I’m saying because bron is stronger you have to hit him harder to make it a foul? That doesn’t seem fair.

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    • ciolkstar Posted: May.29 at 4:21 pm
      Also, I think attacking the rim against the Magic is a fair tactic because it exploits their personnel the samae way that middle pick and rooll exploits Cleveland’s personnel. Dwight is literally the only guy on their team who protects the paint. Shard and Hedo give their team a huge edge on offense but since they are both allergic to the paint, Cleveland can get an advantage by attcaking the paint, and therefore attacking Dwight (who really isn’t that great at challenging shots w/o fouling) Its just strategy.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 4:24 pm
      also, i think that dwight is overrated defensively as far as blocking people that are coming straight at him. most of his blocks are from the weakside when he’s coming over to block someone else’s player. kinda like camby. it’s not IMPOSSIBLE to block bron cleanly on a drive. of all people, gortat has been doing it in this series.

    • Moose Posted: May.29 at 4:25 pm
      Howard IS overrated. On all sides. But, he is too big, strong and athletic to not be great; he definitely has the potential if he decides to actually build a good post game.

    • Ryan Jones Posted: May.29 at 4:26 pm
      Slam Presents: Refs! would go triple-platinum.

    • Bryan Posted: May.29 at 4:26 pm
      I mean that’s the type of basketball that makes tempers flare and had shaq swinging on brad miller.

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.29 at 4:28 pm
      Im not saying that anyone should be allowed to bring a bat, stun gun or brass knuckles on the court with them, but again, Shaq initially muscled his way past defenders and generally wasnt called for an offensive foul just as his defenders werent called for fighting back the same should be considered for Bron. Im not saying that he should be able to be fouled, Im just saying that if he can throw his shoulders and elbows around as he barrells his way to the rim and they dont call an offensive foul, then dont call a ticky tack defensive foul that hardly affects him if theyre trying to fight back.

    • ciolkstar Posted: May.29 at 4:33 pm
      I can agree with you Myles in the sense that Bron is essentially gaming the system with some of these late game drives. He’s creating situations where the defense has to basically foul or get dunked on. But he didn’t write the rules. Its just like players who over utilize the pump fake to make a player leave thier feet before leasning in for the contact and hositing an awkward shot that has almost no chance of going in. “Creating contact” happens all over th eplace in the L. Its no different than when Wade summarily abused Erika Dampier in the Finals. Its just more pronounced. And its Lebron.

    • Ryan Jones Posted: May.29 at 4:33 pm
      My kid could hang the Refadamonth posters on his wall.

    • truthteller Posted: May.29 at 4:33 pm
      Orlando in 6!

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 4:34 pm
      I don’t think he’s overrated per se… Nobody is saying that he’s the next Shaq. The scoring touch just isn’t there. it took him 4 years to crack 20 ppg. and a good physical center like perks still can make him seem like an after tought on the offensive end. However, 14 rbs and 3 blks are no joke.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 4:35 pm
      I know from about 450 games or so first hand viewing experience that Dwyane is doing the same things, just to smaller defenders, night in and night out. It’s how he plays. He’s rarely on the recieving end of offensive foul calls cause he’s pretty slick with it nad he’s perfected the draw contact game. Lebrons’s are so overstate3d ’cause he’s so big. It’s hard to fault the dude for the way he get’s into the lane, I think it’s just because he’s able to do it at that size and really no one else, beside’s Magic, had the size and the ability to get into the lane with such ease, only Lebron is like Magic on HGH.

    • Bryan Posted: May.29 at 4:36 pm
      I can agree with that myles.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.29 at 4:36 pm
      My primary point is this: If Dwight’s gonna get called for fouls regardless, why not get his money’s worth? If you’re gonna get accused of some sh*t (and convicted for it), you may as well do some sh*t. Instead of trying to go up straight and risk an and-1, come down HARD and make sure that shot gets nowhere near the rim.

    • Ryan Jones Posted: May.29 at 4:37 pm
      Give the people what they want, is what I say.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 4:39 pm
      myles, so not only do you want the defenders to not get called for fouls on bron that other weaker players would get… you also want the fouls to be called on him? i’ve rarely seen guys in position beating bron to a spot so where’s your offensive foul?

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 4:39 pm
      There’s just no way that Dwight would get away with overzealous fouls against Lebron and not suffer a stiffer penalty then the Magic could afford right now. Let’s be real, if the Magic fu*k around and lose Game 6, does ANYONE beleive Lebron won’t be repping the East agin in the Finals? Come on.

    • ciolkstar Posted: May.29 at 4:40 pm
      I here you Russ, except I don’t think he should go specifically for hard fouls. But he shouldn’t be trying to AVOID fouls in situations that are almost always going to result in a foul, ie coming late across the lane to challenge at the rim. He should be going for the blocked shot, really hard, so if he misses it will result in FTs. Right now, he’s on the fence. Trying to challenge Bron’s drives but not trying to block the shot, purposefully foul, or take the charge.

    • Eboy Posted: May.29 at 4:42 pm
      *believe, again. Too late in the day. I’m out boys, enjoy your weekends and this was a really enjoyable ball discussion. Good luck to all the Magic, Cavs, Nuggets and yes, even you happy go lucky Lakers fans. Monday should be a fun day around here if there’s a Game 7 on the schedule. Late.

    • ciolkstar Posted: May.29 at 4:42 pm
      Rereading you comment I think we agree, Russ.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 4:43 pm
      russ, that’s valid. but dwight is too valuable for them to do it himself. that’s essentially what mike brown is saying to his guys (it was mic’d). ‘foul dwight hard or let him dunk it but don’t give up the and1′. everybody would agree that there’s not much you can do to stop dwight without fouling him when he’s got good position. the novelty is that this applies to a wing now.

    • Ryan Jones Posted: May.29 at 4:43 pm
      I can see it now: My grandkids on my lap, saying, “Papa, tell us again about the ‘09 Conference Finals.” Me putting in my dentures and saying, “Well, kids, that Bill Spooner, I’ll never forget what he did in Game 5…”

    • TADOne Posted: May.29 at 4:45 pm
      I agree with Ryan.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 4:45 pm
      i’ll even go further and say that if bron was playing the 4, this discussion doesn’t happen. we would ‘expect’ him to be physically dominating and use his strength to score. we’re just not used of a wing applying those physical qualities to driving to the hole. it doesn’t fit the mold.

    • ciolkstar Posted: May.29 at 4:45 pm
      You’re usually pretty funny, Farmer. But you just don’t have your best stuff today.

    • Ryan Jones Posted: May.29 at 4:47 pm
      Doing my best to reflect the vibe of the room, ciolkstar.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.29 at 4:50 pm
      Ryan’s a lot more jovial when the Cavs win. And by “jovial” I mean “present.” Get at him now, because if the Cavs lose Game Six you probably won’t hear from him again until November.

    • The Promise Posted: May.29 at 4:51 pm
      Well, just as I figured, the Cavs won game 5. But, they choked away a big first half lead, and at one point I thought the Magic were going to pull off the comeback and put them out in 5. But, as ciolkstar said, LeBron, at the end of a game, with his size, forces his way to rim and either dunks or gets fouled or does both. That makes him twice harder to guard, when hes 6 foot 8 and has the strength of an NBA center, but the speed and handle of an NBA point guard. I still believe though, that the Magic will close this thing out in 6 games, cause’ I just dont think LeBron’s supporting cast will play nearly as good at Orlando as they did last night, but, they definately will have a chance if Mo Willaims continue to play the way he did last night, the way hes capable of playing, they can push this to a 7th game, and anything can happen in a game 7. It will be very interesting to see what happens though. If the Cavs find a way to win game 6, I will go out on a limb and say they will pull off the comeback and take the series in 7.

    • Ryan Jones Posted: May.29 at 4:51 pm
      Um, sure.

    • TADOne Posted: May.29 at 4:57 pm
      Make sure to play the Wyclef song in the background, Jones.

    • ciolkstar Posted: May.29 at 4:58 pm
      Oh yeah, I’d been meaning to ask. Is that really you in the “Patrick Chewing” Snickers commercial? Ewing says “Whatsup RYAN?” and:
      that dude is wearing plaid + you are the Farmer / Farmers like plaid = Is that you?

    • Ryan Jones Posted: May.29 at 4:59 pm
      Guantanamera?

    • Ryan Jones Posted: May.29 at 5:01 pm
      I believe I made the first comment on that post, ciolkstar.

    • ciolkstar Posted: May.29 at 5:02 pm
      Bubblegoose?

    • ciolkstar Posted: May.29 at 5:05 pm
      Yeah, but I don’t remember. I mean, I think that sh1t is funny. I’m definitely not trying to hate.

    • MooButter Posted: May.29 at 5:17 pm
      The whole arguement that Lebron shouldn’t get all the calls he gets because he’s bigger, faster, stronger than whoever’s guarding him is absolutely ridiculous. And no it’s not fair that rules have been changed to handicap Shaq because of his size and strength advantages. Under that same mindset let’s make some other new rules (tongue in cheek of course): 1) Yao is no longer allowed to jump because he is taller than everyone else on the court. 2) Tony Parkers speed has become too much of an advantage as well. From now on, he must wear ankle weights during games. 3) Lastly, body contact on Lebron James at the rim will no longer be called because he is too fast, strong, and can jump too high. (That way Howard wouldn’t have fouled out last night, despite moving into Lebron in the lane, at the rim, creating body contact as Lebron was jump carried him laterally away from Howard. p.s. Varejao was called for a similar foul on the other end. Howard wasn’t treated unfairly.)

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.29 at 5:24 pm
      To say that its absolutely ridiculous to consider an alternative standard or modification for a player who essentially is so physically imposing that he changes the game is absolutely ridiculous.

    • Allenp Posted: May.29 at 5:28 pm
      Damn, I was actually working and couldn’t really join in on this discussion.
      Let me say everybody made some good points, and Ryan’s little comments were funny.
      I agree with ciolk and Russ that Dwight should actively challenge Lebron when they meet up at the rim instead of passively holding his arms up and getting a foul. He shouldn’t kill Lebron, but he should go HARD for the block. He’s going to get the foul anyway.
      I found something interesting about the last game. On on of his clearouts, Pietrus backed off Lebron and Bron hit a jumper. Reggie said that Pietrus has to keep crowding Bron and force him to the help. I’ve noticed that Orlando is actively encouraging Bron to drive instead of settling for jumpers, and are then collapsing their defense. I think that’s an interesting strategy since conventional wisdom is that you concede the jumper to Bron, not crowd him. Yet, while Bron is averaging ridiculous numbers, it seems like the Magic’s defense is having some real success.
      Anybody else notice this?

    • ClydeSays Posted: May.29 at 5:49 pm
      So, uh you’re SVG and you watch LBJ bull his way to the line 7 straight times, with single coverage. Yes, Lebron can and will pass, but don’t you double team him & make it a LITTLE tougher on him? I mean, Lebron is unreal sometimes and he occasionally looks like an effortless shooter, but you’ve got to try something other than single coverage when you’re behind in a game.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 5:58 pm
      Double teaming LeBron BEFORE the bounce is really dangerous because he is an adept and willing passer. + Boobie and Mo were feeling it. It’s effective to get the ball out of his hands but it often results in an uncontested jumper. / Allen, I think that was more an isolated play than anything. The long 2-point jumper is always available for the stars because crowding them too much is pretty much the same thing as giving them a clearance to the lane. They’ll burn the defender almost everytime.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 6:00 pm
      Guys, Bron hasn’t been stopped by Orlando in this series. As much as people are tlking about Pietrus, Bron is giving him the business. If Cleveland’s shooters are hitting, they’ll win. If Cleveland shooters aren’t hitting, they’ll lose.

    • ciolkstar Posted: May.29 at 6:01 pm
      My beef there, Myles, is this: If the refs meet and up and decide to start calling a certain play or scenario differently (which, we all know, they do sometimes) Should they notify the player(s) who will be effected? Or maybe the coach(s)?
      They can’t offically modify rules, but if they chage the way Bron’s drives are officiated without any notification it puts Lebron at a HUGE disadvantage. I sort of agree, in the sense that, some contact against Bron’s drives is unavoidable and at times, exactly what he’s looking for on those drives, but to not call fouls where fouls have been called all year without any warning gives the Cavs’ opponents and unneccesary advantage.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 6:02 pm
      What really happened yesterday is that Mo played like he did during the regular season. Orlando is too good of a team to be beat by Bron and Bron alone.

    • Z Posted: May.29 at 6:07 pm
      Myles, you’re way off on this one. You of all people who’s always like ‘let him get 1 ’ship before we start calling him King or Kang or whatever’. Now you’re essentially asking the refs to make it harder on him to get 1. You’ve said numerous times that you don’t even think he’s the best player in the L. WHY CHANGE THE RULES FOR SOMEONE WHO’S NOT DOMINATING HIS PEERS, THEN? What’s the threat? How is it a competitive disadvantage to everyone else if he hasn’t won anything and he’s not the best player in the L? Your argument is flawed.

    • Harlem_World Posted: May.29 at 6:20 pm
      I’ve said it before, no doubt about it, he’s the shaq of wings. Albeit with a better FT%. A foul is a foul. If you change them for him, you gotta reflect that with everybody.

    • Tommy Patron Posted: May.29 at 6:51 pm
      I do not feel Dwight’s intelligence is solid.

    • bill breedley Posted: May.29 at 7:34 pm
      dwight’s intelligence not solid? surely you jest. if NBA called this thing honestly an evenly, Dwight would dominate King Crab dribble and block his drive to the basket 5-6 times a game. Dwight hesitates knowing refs will bailout Lebron 99.9% of the time. people whining about Dwight’s elbows swinging all over the place. there’s a reason he does it like shaq before him. maybe instead of being so fixated on the perimeter game all the time and believing the “CRAB STEP” is a legit move, people should take a closer look at what typically happens to dominant centers in the interior. Like shaq, dwight is getting abused in the inside being pulled and shoved in almost every play. Centers being so big and strong are always treated differently, a bit unfairly to be honest. Hence it can’t be blamed that frustration comes in and emotion will eventually cloud their judgement. I guess refs can’t call it the same way as they do with Lebron, where even breathing on him is a foul, because calling all the legit contact would mean pretty much fouling out half the opposing team. life ain’t just for big men, hence sometimes they need to penalize those guarding them with a wayward elbow every so often.

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.29 at 7:38 pm
      If asking for balance in the officiating is my asking for a more difficult path, then so be it. But I simply am looking for a way for him to maintain his natural inclinations on his drives while allowing his opponents to contest those same drives. I dont want more fouls called on him or for his defenders to just be able to get away with one. I only want it to be the case that if hes able to be physical with players hes already bigger, quicker and stronger than, then they should be able to ‘defend’ themselves. I dont remember how exactly the rule changes went down with Shaq, but Id like to think there was some some forewarning, though this is the NBA were talking about so I suppose its nothing I should count on. And it has nothing to do with him being the best player in the league or not, it has to do with him being as Harlem World so aptly put it, the Shaq of wings.

    • BETCATS Posted: May.29 at 8:02 pm
      “Z Posted: May.29 at 6:00 pm
      Guys, Bron hasn’t been stopped by Orlando in this series. As much as people are tlking about Pietrus, Bron is giving him the business. If Cleveland’s shooters are hitting, they’ll win. If Cleveland shooters aren’t hitting, they’ll lose.” Exactly. Its funny how people think that Lebron has been contained. Just like with the Celtics last year, Lebron was dropping 30+ (including 47 in game 7) yet people claimed after the series that James Posey and Paul Pierce ’stopped’ him.

    • Anton Posted: May.29 at 10:14 pm
      GIVE THEM NOTHING
      TAKE FROM THEM EVERYTHING!
      At my mark, unleash hell.

    • Darksaber Posted: May.29 at 10:28 pm
      well BET, i guess they mean without all that containment, Bron would be averaging a 55-16-14.

    • bill breedley Posted: May.30 at 12:27 am
      without all the bailout calls and biased calls going bron’s way, no way he averages more than 35pts. Still a decent number, but the logical man knows 1/3 of the points he gets is care of David Stern. can’t wait to see Dwight battling Pau and Bynum. It’s going to be epic

    • NBA in China Posted: May.30 at 5:03 am
      Yea I dont really think LeBron should be penalized for his strength…but at the same time he shouldn’t get the benefit of 95% of the calls. It really is getting ridiculous, embarrassing and painful to watch. I want to like LeBron, but this invisibility shield he gets from the officials really makes it hard to appreciate what he does. In comparison, have you seen how many times Hedo Turkoglu has driven to the rim, gotten hit and ended up with nothing…

    • Daniel Posted: Jun.26 at 1:17 pm
      goodgerefe.

    • Daniel Posted: Jun.26 at 3:10 pm
      no agin

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