Wednesday, May 12th, 2010 at 3:21 pm  |  93 responses

About Last Night

Thoughts on LeBron, failure, and the future. Call it a posse cut.

by Ryan Jones / @thefarmerjones

“I hope one day I become a good enough tweeter that when I have a bad tweet, people spend days talking about it.” @langwhitaker

I generally don’t tweet during games. This is mostly a matter of household geography: Our computer (a desktop — if you’re not sure what that is, ask your grandparents) is upstairs in our spare bedroom, while our television is down in our semi-finished basement, the least-trafficked room in our home. This was by design: We have young kids and want them to think of the TV as an exception, not the rule, so we put it in the room we don’t go in very often.

I am an excellent parent.

So I didn’t tweet during Game 5, just like I didn’t tweet during Game 3, for anyone wondering if I’m picking my spots. But I jumped online for the postgame fall-out, both becauLeBron Jamesse I feel a responsibility to the Library of Congress, and because I knew my name would be in some folks’ digital mouths. So, I said some of this last night on Twitter, but here it is again, along with some bonus content. For the 30 of you who follow me who aren’t spambots, I apologize for any repetition…

-LeBron James remains my dude. I’ve liked him as a person and been awed by his talent since I met him nine years ago, and those feelings remain unchanged. I don’t imagine most of you give a sh*t, but as the bandwagon seems to be getting lighter by the second, I felt I should make clear that I’m still on it.

And riding shotgun.

-All that said, there isn’t sh*t I can say about how he played last night. It was fine for the first quarter-plus, but as the game started to get away from Cleveland, LeBron’s lack of presence became increasingly inexplicable. I found it weird and vaguely depressing to watch, and I won’t try to justify or explain it. He can’t do what he did in Game 3 every night, but there was no reason for… this.

I didn’t watch him in the postgame, but I heard about how he handled things; it seems equally impossible to defend.

All that said…

“I’m sorry, LeBron could’ve posted a 30-10-10 last night and the Celtics *still* win that game.” @jeskeets

-The thought occurred to me last night, and Skeets put it to words this morning. I guess you could argue this, but you’d be wrong. The Celtics shot 55 percent as a team, and KG, Ray, Rondo, and Glen F*cking Davis shot a combined 59 percent (and none of those were the guys LeBron guarded most of the night; perhaps he should have, but he helped hold Paul Pierce to 43 percent, for whatever that’s worth). If these Celtics—with three future Hall of Famers, and a point guard whose been playing like he’ll be the fourth—combine that sort of shooting with the kind of defense we know they’re capable of nine more times in the next month or so, they’ll beat Orlando and the Lakers, too.

“Everyone is (rightly so) getting on LeBron right now, but when the next 4 best players on the court are on the other side…” @TheRealSJB

-Borrowing again from a colleague, I think Shannon Booher says it perfectly. LeBron shoulders all the blame for barely showing up last night, but that doesn’t change the fact that he still doesn’t have a great deal of help. His critics (a few of whom you’ll find below…) like to point out that Jordan and Kobe had won their first titles by this point, but they tend not to mention Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson and Shaq in his prime and, uh, Phil Jackson. LeBron still hasn’t had a Pippen — can you imagine a LeBron-less Cavs squad winning 55 games and making it to within a Hue Hollins of the conference finals? — and the Shaq he has now hardly counts; and as all the many Mike Brown-bashers remind us, he sure as hell hasn’t had a Phil. As for this Cavs team? As Myles Brown acknowledged to me moments ago in a rambling, possibly meth-fueled phone call, “Against all these teams, they only win one matchup: LeBron against whoever’s guarding LeBron.”

Put another way, there’s a difference between “an excuse” and “an explanation,” even if my former colleague Adrian Wojnarowski feels otherwise.

-Is the series over? Probably, but I’m not convinced. That Game 3 performance was so impressive in part because it was unexpected. We expected him to roar back last night, and he defied us again. Tomorrow? I have no idea, but if he’s physically capable and Mike Brown can figure something out to spark this team — seriously, did JJ Hickson die? — I don’t see why the Cavs can’t win the next two games. And if they don’t…

-Is he gone? Maybe, but I’m not convinced. If he leaves after this, his rep as a franchise-saver in New York, Chicago or anywhere else is gonna seem a little tainted, no? I’m not saying the Knicks don’t still want him, of course, but the tone of the questions at the announcement press conference probably won’t be as welcoming as they would’ve been otherwise.

And anyway, last night was one game, in the midst of a series in which he’s still averaging 27, 7 and 7, against an opponent that, when healthy, most of us (and maybe the Cavs as well) seem to have vastly underrated. At the risk of contradicting a previous point, this Cleveland team is not good enough, but they’re still probably only one upgrade away from being good enough; imagine this same squad with, say, Ray Allen, Lamar Odom, or Pau Gasol. Obviously, it won’t be easy to get someone remotely comparable this summer, but there’s no guaranteeing the Knicks or Bulls can do it, either.

And as last night made so, so clear, none of us know where LeBron’s head is right now, anyway. I’m certainly done trying to figure him out. But I’m not jumping ship. I’ll wait until he signs with the Knicks to do that.

***

by Myles Brown / @mdotbrown

LeBron is missing something.

I don’t hold last night against him too much because it could certainly be the case that all he’s really missing are teammates. Teammates who could sustain him through the occasional off night.

But it could be something else.

Seven months ago, I—no, we—declared LeBron the best player in basketball. He was at or nearing his physical peak, the numbers were astounding and he appeared ready to capture his first title.

But seven months later I still have the same questions.

I was not at all impressed by the Cavaliers’ romp through another regular season. First of all, because they’d done it before and, more importantly, because the Playoffs are a different animal. It’s one thing to trample a herd of also rans who simply aren’t equipped to compete, another entirely to defeat a true contender. And another. And the one after that. I never expected him to win anything this year and I still don’t. Call me a hater if you must, but I prefer “realist.”

LeBron James is simply a victim of his own excellence and the impossibly high standard he’s created. He’s a two-time MVP because he carried a severely flawed roster to the League’s best record for two straight years. But why are we surprised when they lose to a better team every spring? This is a game of matchups, and when facing the League’s elite, the Cavs only win one matchup. So I would never go as far as to call him a choker. But I am somewhat disappointed.

He failed to heed the warning and match the urgency of his coach, he hasn’t empowered or rallied his teammates in any sense and last night he appeared largely disinterested in the biggest game of the season. He seemed as though he had one foot out the door.

And I can’t blame him for that. I want him to leave. Then I’ll finally get some answers about LeBron James.

Through all the deafening comparisons to Michael Jordan that we’ve endured over the past seven years, I’ve become more and more convinced we should be comparing him to Shaq. Or Wilt. At least from what I hear about Wilt. I wasn’t there.

They were the two most imposing physical specimens in the history of hardwood, leather and rubber (take a pause here if you please). But from my perspective, their careers were also disappointing. They seemed overly concerned with their numbers and status, preoccupied with extracurricular activites; they reveled in the accolades but reviled the expectations that came along with it. Wilt continually lost to Russell not only because his team wasn’t as strong, but because he wasn’t as strong. Mentally, at least. Not weak, per se, just not as strong. Shaq? Sheeeeeeit. A cautionary tale in work ethic, swept out of the Playoffs six times, and the man never met a bridge he didn’t burn.

Call it heart, will, or whatever you please, but they were missing something important. They just didn’t want it as much as we wanted it for them. They’re easily cemented in the top 15 players of all time, but they shouldve been higher.

I don’t want that for LeBron. I want to see him on that big stage. I want to turn to the next chapter. I already know he’s great, but I want to know if he can be the greatest. I want to know if he’s the next Michael Jordan or the next Shaq. There’s a big difference.

Were approaching year eight. This isn’t about potential anymore. It’s about production. LeBron James is an unprecedented talent and we’ve extended him an unprecedented line of credit. No if’s, just when’s and how many’s. We need a return on that investment.

While it still may happen, it’s not going to be in Cleveland.

***

by Jake Appleman / @JakeAppleman

The way LeBron performed last night was inexcusably bad. No one should debate that. He watched the scoreboard so frequently, the best distraction-related analogy I can come up with is a columnist trying to finish a piece while some red-tanned, wannabe cruise ship captain f*cks Jenna Jameson into submission in the background (although I suppose one could argue that no one f*cks Jenna Jameson into submission, and that’s why she has four championship rings, but I digress). The scoreboard watching seemed to have a direct correlation with the horrendous defense that was played—instead of trusting their offense and focusing on getting stops, the Cavs tried to get it all back on offense. Dumb, dumb, dumb. It also showed poor leadership and a lack of trust in teammates from LeBron…ON THE FLOOR.

And that’s the thing. ON THE FLOOR. When the media takes a few choice sound bytes—that, I’m pretty sure if one of LeBron’s boys was like, “Yo, you said you only played three bad games in a seven-year career,” would lead him to eat his own face-palm—and creates a character dissection out of it, well, that’s a few steps too far for my taste. (The other possibility is that LeBron said what he said to piss people off and use the criticism as motivation, in which case, you’re all idiots for feeding into that BS.)

True character analysis takes an understanding of who someone is, their background, their body of work and circumstance and context. Understand, LeBron’s failures in these moments don’t make him any more or less of the person he is or was before they happened. To you they might, but that would make you a moron.

The balls were rolled out, two teams played, one played well and one played like mud butt. LeBron’s won more regular season games over the past two seasons than any other superstar. In Europe, he’d be a two-time champion; the Leo Messi of this sh*t, the prodigy who wins and wins when it counts. Only in America do those two things need a distinction…not that I totally disagree with the Playoff structure, but it says something sad about our fake-tits, KFC-Double-Down culture, no? Oh sh*t, we’re back to Jenna Jameson and my antiquated views on porn. Kids, wear condoms. Even when arguing.

Anyway, I spent three years (LeBron’s fist three) around the Cavs and, even though I’ve rarely spoken personally with him, I’m pretty sure, due to things like “intuition” and “observation,” that the guy behind the preening and the crown isn’t a douche worthy of the level of scorn he’ll take for a few comments made to a group of cliche-driven people who are widely dismissed by more modern forms of media…until the exact moment something like this happens when we can all join in on the reputation-smashing pants party.

Who, what, when, where and why. The five W’s. Life’s biggest questions. To me, the last one is always the most important and most interesting. If you can’t tell me WHY, and think critically about WHY it is that something is the way it is, I can’t fully respect your opinion.

I’d tell you why I think LeBron is the way he is, but I’d have to spend more than a deadline-induced two hours on it, and I have a soccer match to watch.

Oh, my team is in the Europa League mostly because of something called “away goals.” Rose Perez in White Men Can’t Jump was right. Sometimes when you win, you actually lose. Sometimes when you lose, you actually win. And sometimes when you tie, you actually win or lose (win in this case…because of away goals).

Context. With text.

The good kind. The analyzed kind.

If you want to act like a biblical basketball scholar, maybe you should put in some time with the “King James” version. I’m pretty sure the overall picture of what you’ll see won’t be nearly as off-putting as you think.

***

by Marcel Mutoni / @marcel_mutoni

I find the vast majority of the mainstream media’s reaction to all of this fascinating. Most seem to take LeBron’s failures last night personally, as though he let them down in some strange, twisted way.

The loss—humiliating as it was for the Cavs, and James himself—has also become a sort of bizarre reLeBron Jamesferendum on LBJ’s personality, and his ambitions in life (on and off the basketball court.)

Even though LeBron played an awful Game 5, the Cavs are still alive in the series, albeit only somewhat. Regardless of what some writers and television talking heads may stupidly claim, his performance in this series has nothing to do with “not wanting it badly enough” (à la Kobe, MJ, et al.), or only caring about becoming a global icon with fat bank account.

All the past (and current) great NBA champions—at some point or another, and for some, more than once— have played way below their usual standards on the Playoff stage. Yes, all of them. Things are no different for James.

He is human, and he has failed, and will fail again. The key is in bouncing back, which he will undoubtedly do—be it in Game 6 (and potentially, Game 7), or at some other point in the near future.

Greatness is not without its flaws and bumps in the road. To forget this in light of last night’s events is even more disappointing than what James did, or didn’t do.

***

by Russ Bengtson / @russbengtson

Let’s get one thing straight from the start: This should absolutely be important enough to LeBron James. He knows what a championship would mean for his legacy. He knows the history of the game, what separates the greatest players from the merely great. And he can’t help but see the glaring gap in his own resume. He’s won the scoring title, earned the MVPs, broken the PER meter, sold the shoes and the books and the magazines and the video games and the fast food. At 25, his career is already a virtual palace, an unmatched celebration of self. Only he’s built it upon no foundation, and the whole structure is beginning to shift. This wasn’t how the story was supposed to go.

Maybe all of this was the worst thing that could have happened to LeBron James. He was given the accolades and respect of a champion before becoming one. The assumption was that he would win championships. Plural. That he would change the game, transcend the sport, fill up all those empty words and phrases with true greatness. But sometimes that’s just not the way it works.

In 1959, a dude named Wilt Chamberlain entered the NBA. There were only eight teams back then. He posted 43 points and 28 rebounds in his very first game. For the season, he averaged 37.6 points and 27 rebounds, won the Rookie of the Year and the MVP. I’m sure plenty of fans and observers declared that young Wilt would win everything there was to win. As it is, he played 14 seasons and won just two titles. Oscar Robertson, who joined the league a year later, averaged a triple-double over his first five seasons combined. He won one title, and not until he teamed with a center named Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Before that, his team had missed the playoffs entirely for three straight seasons. Elgin Baylor forever changed the way the game is played, paving the way for Julius Erving, Michael Jordan, and yes, LeBron James, and he never won a championship at all.

Of course it’s not like LeBron’s career is over. Hell, this series isn’t even over. Conceivably, the Cavaliers could come back, win this series, and go on to win it all. But does that seem likely at this point? Seven years along, do we know whether LeBron has what it takes to win a title? Do we know whether he knows how? Maybe he’ll be like Shaq – dominant yet ringless until he’s paired with one of those dysfunctional people who obsess over winning at the expense of all else.

At the start of this season, all seemed predetermined. Like Jordan, LeBron would triumph in his seventh season and usher in a new era. But unlikely as that now seems, would it even be enough? LeBron wasn’t meant to follow anyone’s blueprint. That’s not what we were promised. Those weren’t the expectations we placed on him like a crown, the expectations he gladly welcomed. He was supposed to be different, be better, establish new benchmarks, push the very game to new heights. Seven years and 25,000 minutes in, it’s all still possible. But more than ever, there’s reasonable doubt.

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  • max

    @9steele9 in my opinion its exactly the opposite way around. The journey towards a championship is what counts in lebrons case. People follow Lebron because he hasn’t won yet. They are drawn towards him because they want to be witnesses (or hate on him if he fails), so I really don’t see how it would do the NBA any good if Lebron would win now, as a story-line which is entertaining and worth following would be abruptly stopped. Of course people will follow his path afterwards, but not with the same intensity that they do now.

  • Lee

    No, 9steele9 made a really good point. (Most) people want to see something amazing. They want to see a player come out and drop 50 points, will his team to victory and hit the game winning shot. They want a Michael Jordan performances. They’re not going to get hooked on some “LeBron-hasn’t-won-a-championship-yet” narrative; they’re going to get hooked by seeing him come out and drop 60 points and do the impossible. Legends are made out of those kinds of performances, not out of lame-duck games like last night. Nobody’s going to watch a game like that and then go, “Oh at least I still have time to see his ascendancy to the throne of the basketball world!”

  • Bruno

    I don’t understand how in a couple of days the player you call The King now is LeDirk (no f@ckin way someone thinks that) or The Queen, can’t you just wait and see how this series finish
    then everyone was sayin that with the trade of Jamison, Cleveland had the best team and had it all figure and this season was the one for them
    for me it doesn’t matter who they have playin with Lebron because every time I see them play it was give him the ball and get the f@ck out of there cause he’s bring it down … then dance with him hahaha
    now that Boston have put serious defense on Lebron everyone is sayin that his teamates are not the best (I thought that from the beginnin because this cavs s@cks except Jamison)
    Varejao? really 2nd team all defense??? has he done anythin’ this series??? how many times did he shoot the ball??
    Ilgauskas is playin’??
    what happened with JJ Hickson??? the only one before Jamison came that showed some fire playing
    shaq is old but he’s playing better than all of the above
    mo williams save the cavs in game one and now he’s crap??? delonte could be way better in other system or with real plays

    you can’t change your opinion that fast, it’s just one game
    I don’t like the cavs at all and I want the celtics to finish them in game 6 but we just have to wait

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Jake, I am also intrigued by karma’s use of quote marks; I think they do not mean what he thinks they mean.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Let the record show that I never thought LeBron was The King. I’d also like to know if that is the same Bruno from the movie.

  • http://Www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Ben appeals to his boys on Twitter to come up with a game 5 piece (well done btw, guys) and Jake references Jenna J. being pounded into submission….twice. Now thats gangsta.

  • Dante P.

    “…one of those dysfunctional people who obsess over winning at the expense of all else.”

    Nice jab at Kobe. I guess it’s that very dysfunction that has enabled him to score 81 points in a game, hold the record for 3 pointers made in a single game, drop 62 in 3qtrs, win 4 NBA titles, multiple scoring titles, win league MVP(which he should have won over Dirk and Nash), Finals MVP and become possibly the most clutch basketball player ever to play in the NBA. Notice I said most clutch and not greatest ever. MJ is the greatest. Period. But Kobe is right there with him. Unless you think Pat Riley and Phil Jackson don’t know what they’re talking about.
    Maybe this “dysfunction” is what LeBron needs to be successful. I don’t see that fire in LeBron. He’s an exceptional athlete and player, but every year it’s the same. I haven’t seen him improve anything, but his defense. Maybe it’s because he set the bar so high, but his J is still suspect and he his post game is subpar. He either goes to the rack or shoots 3s. His greatness seems to come more from freakish athletic ability than work ethic in my opinion. MVPs don’t get passes for performing poorly in crucial games. Dirk scored 8 points in game seven of the series the Mavs lost to the 8th seeded Warriors. And he was MVP? Pleeeeeease.

    LeBron is dope, but I don’t see the fire or killer instinct in him that the greatest players have. Maybe that’s why he only has two
    career buzzer beaters.

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  • http://Www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Farmer, so did you get paid accordingly for this? Ben meet your Twitter quote?(hehe)

  • The Wize

    He looked odd, like Ronaldo in world cup ’98

  • Scottie Pimpin

    i think the elbow is bothering him and o n top of that his teammates arnt picking it up……his body language is odd,,,,,,also new york needs to stop dreeaing about lebron….he wants to win,,,,,,and not be a laughing stock of the nba….

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Saber: He did not. The jerk.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And that’s a hell of a reference, Wize. Ideally, in a few years, LeBron will get really fat, and then be eclipsed by another Akron native named LeBroninho.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co Co, do you h@te it when people call you Co Co Chanel? Sorry if this comment annoys you…

  • http://Www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    @Ryan: or one named Bryce Maximus (the man named a son MAXIMUS, don’t know if i should be shocked or amazed….amazed, thats it, it’s a cool name)

  • playa

    It had nothing to do with LeBron. If anyone watched the game, theyd see that mo williams and anthony parker took about infinite 3′s with about 20 seconds on the shot clock. He never got the ball because he plays under the worst coach in the NBA and with the worst starting PG in the east

  • http://sfdjklf.com Jukai

    Dante P: Lebron James leads the league in fourth quarter scoring and has the highest points under three seconds. Because he leaves time on the clock, he’s a horrible clutch player?
    I get the hate, I’m as massively down on Lebron tanking it in as everyone else… but is this where people come out of the wood work to make stuff up about Lebron? Really>

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    LeBroninho. HA!

  • Papou

    I`m not often a player-hater, but I do sometimes enjoy seeing the fan-made gods fail.

  • T.O.M.

    Where’s the love lebron has a lot of short comings on this team. That’s y he should leave find him a scottie pip and leave to a team with a bench and bring Rudy gay with him or just go join Kobe in L.A. FANS SHOULD NEVA TREAT SOMEONE WHO DOES A LOT FOR THAT COMMUNITY LIKE THAT. DAMN SHAME

  • Dante P.

    Jukai: I never said LeBron was horrible in the clutch. I was just comparing his game five to Dirk’s horrible game seven. We all know LeBron is the stats guy. It’s hard to argue with stats. Even his 4th quarter stats are better than Kobe’s. But stats don’t always tell the whole story. Even with superior stats do you think any NBA player or coach thinks LeBron hits more timely buckets than Kobe? Maybe the mention of only having two buzzer beaters was harsh, but the general feeling I have about his stats are that at some point they’ve got to translate into victories. And if they translate into victories during the regular season, then why not in the playoffs when it matters? They beat both the Celtics and the Magic convincingly during the regular season. Why not now? I’m sure all of the people who picked the Cavs to win it all at the start of the playoffs are wondering the same thing. Who knows? Maybe they will. LeBron is capable of carrying them. But will he?

  • Merlinea

    hahahahahaha!

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/all-decade/main-page/i/64902/4259/euroleague-all-decade-selection-theodoros-papaloukas?lang=en&itemid=64902&mid=4259&tabid=1143&itemname=EUROLEAGU PAPALOUKAS (click on my name)

    this is amazing. Lebron has an off-night and suddenly he ain’t “all that”. Truly amazing….At the same time it validates my clame that many here have never touched a bball in their life and follow the game through video games. You know, when you play this game, there are some nights when you just “don’t have it”, (you leg/elbow hurts, something is on your mind (personal), your shooting stroke is completely off, you are nervous,you got a bad mood, i don’t know what else to write…those who have played know what i’m talking about) that doesn’t mean you became in 48 minutes something different from what you’ve been in the previous 25000 minutes. This can only happen through an extremely serious injury and nobody wrote something like this happened to Lebron.

  • http://www.euroleague.net/competition/all-decade/main-page/i/64902/4259/euroleague-all-decade-selection-theodoros-papaloukas?lang=en&itemid=64902&mid=4259&tabid=1143&itemname=EUROLEAGU PAPALOUKAS (click on my name)

    I hope Lebron has an excellent game and wins, just to see all of you changing your mind 180 degrees in just 48 hours. It will be truly funny !!! (Simmons wrote 3000 words about the ‘turning point in Lebron’s career’. The same thing he had done after the Detroit performance. I love him for his way of writing, i thing he is the best, but, in terms of bball knowledge, sometimes he is more average than the average fan….)

  • http://slamonline.com Dave

    I was sitting here wondering how someone with a broken jumper and no post game can be called the greatest player in basketball when it came to me.
    You all think his teammates suck. So he _must_ be the reason the Cavs nailed 61 games.
    I’ll give you another idea of how a single player can do that – league parity is a joke right now.

  • http://hoopistani.blogspot.com Hoopistani

    great writings… I love the comparisons with Wilt/Shaq

  • ClydeSays

    It was a great media angle so everyone jumped on it. The biggest story to me wasn’t that LBJ had a bad game, but that no other Cav seemed to want to step up their games when things were going south.

    That’s what winning teams do. Take advantage of opportunities and pull each other up.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com TADOne

    This was great. However, I just think people need to start giving credit to Rondo and the Celtics and just leave it at that.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com TADOne

    I just want to know what kind of ‘posse cut’ article we get if the Cav actually come back and win?

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    TAD: In the unlikely case of a Cavs comeback, I’m not sure we’ll do a posse cut, but you can probably count on 8,000 drunken words from me.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Great comments everyone. Thought this piece and discussion might even bring h to the izzo/ar back in the fold, but it appears not…

  • BostonBaller

    I totally agree with both CoCo’s 1st comment, I’ve been saying that since the playoffs started. Fans can’t say LBJ can win this thing and when they lose a game call out the teammates. When they win LBL gets most of the credit (rightfully so I guess) but when they lose it’s the supporting cast and coach under the bus. LBJ is a Beast and he’s probably pissed at the media and will try to take it out on The C’s tonight. (Thanx media…smh) Jamison was supposed to be his Pippen (he has the numbers) Can we give The Celtics just a tad bit of credit for their team D? The series isn’t over and regardless of what happens I’m loving the Celtic hate/dismissal. If we face Orlando I’m sure there will be talk of a sweep just like the start of this series. Leave the brooms at IKEA please. lol

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Real talk, if Ryan has doubts about LeBron and the Cavs, then EVERYBODY should be worried.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Here’s what I really want to know: Everyone always says that LeBron hasn’t found his Pippen. What if he IS the Pippen? He’s got the Jordanesque numbers, but does he have that murderous competitive gene that will have him making an appallingly bitter Hall of Fame speech in 15 years? Because honestly, I don’t see it.

  • Marcel Mutoni

    russ, you and i both know that lebron’s hall of fame speech will consist of precisely three words: “check my $stat$”

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    Russ asks a great question and makes a great point. Given that, I’ll rephrase: “LeBron hasn’t found his Jordan.” Also, I guess that makes Game 5 his version of Pip’s ’94 second-round Game 3? Sort of?

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Ryan, the difference is Pip refused to go back in the game. Bron just refused to play.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    You can believe that if you want to, Bryan, but if you had really watched the game on Tuesday, you’d have noticed that the Celtics left Kukoc open all night.

  • Playa

    All this talk about what’s wrong with LeBron and sh*t. Ummm, helllooo? The Celetics won!!! They not only won but they tapped that “royal” ass. The underdog’s on top (at the moment). However, Slam’s mourning for LeBron rather than celebrating the Celtics, smh. Typical. Anyways it ain’t over till the fat lady sings…

  • http://www.nba.com/suns Dacre

    KUKOC KUKOC KUKOC!!

  • http://www.nba.com/suns Dacre

    I would like to give credit to the big “three+1″ and just leave it at that…

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