Tuesday, June 15th, 2010 at 1:24 pm  |  223 responses

Stakes Is High?

Me, Myself and I. And Russ. And Ryan. And Jake. And Mutoni. And Kobe……

by Myles Brown / @mdotbrown

A meth addict gave me some good advice once. Or at least I thought it was.

“Image is everything.”

Similar adages, such as “a man lives by his reputation” or “perception is reality” had long existed, but for some reason the junkies resonated with me more. Probably because I saw it on television. Regardless, I heeded the advice because it made sense to me; since so much of your life is left to the control of others, who you believe yourself to be doesn’t matter as much as who others believe you are. The relationships, opportunities, privileges and epitaphs bestowed upon us are all based on who we are perceived to be. So live accordingly.

It wasn’t until later in life that I learned not to take advice from junkies. Image isn’t everything, because image-or perception-is purely subjective. Our thoughts and deeds are left to the interpretation of those who have been shaped by their own experiences. Everyone has their own biases, everyone doesn’t forgive-or forget, for that matter-and it’s simply impossible to please them all. We don’t see things as they are, we see them as we are.

Which brings us to Kobe Bryant.

This is his 14th season, one which has shown the effects of more than 35,000 minutes of basketball. He’s battled broken fingers, aging knees, a sprained ankle and an ailing back to the cusp of yet another championship, though he may fall short. Again. But no matter the result of this evenings contest-or Thursday’s, if necessary-the most impressive injury Bryant has overcome is one which he suffered quite some time ago. His psyche.

From the moment he slid those sunglasses off and announced his decision to go pro, he was perceived as a spoon fed primadonna. From the moment he entered the league alongside a man who would turn the marketing model on its ear, his racial identity has been questioned. From the moment he dared to question the work ethic of an established, but complacent superstar and the authority of a well decorated, but manipulative coach, he’s been deemed too ambitious. And from the moment he exited that hotel room, he surrendered the benefit of the doubt.

A series of moments, spliced into his highlight reel and the collective consciousness, the effects of which have left us with the man who stands here today, jaw jutted and eyes narrowed. A man who pretends not to give a fuck what you think while making it quite evident that he plays for your approval. Such is the dichotomy of being Kobe Bryant. For there is a distinct difference between being the one in the history book and being the one who writes it.

There are some who will tell you that this evenings events will ultimately shape his “legacy”, another subjective term. You won’t find them here. But alas, Kobe doesn’t give a fuck what we think. Right? Maybe you will.

After all, it’s not like we’re on drugs or anything…..

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by Marcel Mutoni / @marcel_mutoni

Kobe Bryant continues to have what is arguably the most fascinating, enthralling, frustrating, and bizarre career of any NBA Hall of Famer.

Things started off so promisingly, then disaster struck, and then he somehow pulled it all back together and redeemed himself in the court of public (and athletic) opinion.

Tonight — and potentially, Thursday night — he gets yet another opportunity to rewrite his story. His own brilliant, divisive, twisted, convoluted, and endlessly fascinating story.

A loss to Boston this summer provides his critics with plenty of ammunition: he’s no Jordan and never will be; he’s not the greatest Laker; the ’09 title was a “fluke”; he can’t make his teammates tougher and better; etc.

(Key thing to remember in all of this: Magic Johnson won five NBA championships. Along the way, Johnson and his Lakers lost in the title round FOUR times. And last time I checked, no one considers his career a let down in any way.)

A win, an improbable comeback against this determined, defensively-great Boston Celtics team validates what Kobe Bryant’s defenders have always known: he’s right up there with the G.O.A.T.; five titles in seven trips to the championship round can’t be denied; there’s plenty of time left to gobble up more gold trophies; he’s the best player on the planet, and has been for years.

In the end, none of that really matters. And then again, it all matters. Every twist, turn, triumph and defeat.

The man has had — and continues to have — an amazing run. Though his place in today’s game, and in the grand history of the League will continue to be debated breathlessly and endlessly, Bryant’s body of work will stand alone, without need for comparison to other greats.

When we look back on his career, no intelligent person is going to think to themselves, “Kobe was a great player. Could’ve been one of the greatest if only he found a way to beat those Boston teams in either 2008 or 2010.”

Bryant’s story won’t come to an end tonight, or even later on this week. This series — with all of its history, nostalgia, andgrainy video clips — will not define his legacy. It will serve as an important chapter in the grand book of his career and life.

There is plenty of basketball left for Kobe Bryant, many more chapters yet to be written.

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by Ryan Jones / @thefarmerjones

A win would help (a little), and a loss would hurt (a bit), but no matter the outcome of this year’s NBA Finals, Kobe Bryant’s legacy is pretty well set. Short of him winning at LEAST two more championships in L.A., Bean will be remembered in 10 or 20 years for what he was (or, I guess, is): A wonderful basketball player whose athleticism and competitiveness and F-U knack for late-game heroics brought him closer than anyone has ever been to Michael Jordan. We can argue scoring averages and nitpicks stats, but nobody who has actually watched both of them in their prime could argue that Kobe couldn’t do pretty much everything Mike did. He bit the style like a true method actor, Jamie Foxx in Ray, thoroughly believable and nearly as effective.

But again, only nearly.

In the legacy stakes, Kobe’s gate opened too late to ever really give him a chance. Dude didn’t have his own team until almost a decade into his career. Those first three rings will never be his, not in the way all six of the Bulls’ belong to Mike. Those Finals MVP statues will always belong to Shaq, now matter how clumsily he has stumbled to the finish, no matter how insecure he’s been, no matter that he wouldn’t have won them without Kobe. When Kobe got his fourth, it was, in a sense, only his first. It’s not fair, except that it is, and nothing he can do now will change it.

Two wins in the next three days would help, of course. Somehow making it a three-peat next year would help a lot. He’s in that top-10 conversation, maybe even nudging his way into the top half, but even then, he’s not Mike. Not quite. He’d need to top Jordan, do one thing clearly better than the guy whose game he has aped since Day 1. Can you see him winning three MORE? With that mileage, on those knees?

And if the Celtics close this out, and Kobe never wins another ring? He’s still got four. Rare air. Ridiculous totals and averages. Player of the ’00s, by a mile. Best player in what might be the best Draft class ever. Legendary. Either way.

Just not Mike.

Even if he is as good as Jordan, he’ll never be as good as Jordan. I long ago stopped trying to figure the dude out, so I don’t know if he can be content with that reality. For his sake, I hope so.

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by Jake Appleman / @JakeAppleman

According to Basketball-Reference.com, Kobe Bryant has played 1,217 total games in his career up to this point. According to the law of averages–or the average NBA career–that’s already a lot of basketball games. According to the Ed Rooney’s secretary, Kobe Bryant has never taken a day off from school. According to a lot of people–at least according to this email sent to me by Myles Brown–Kobe Bryant’s legacy can be defined, or significantly altered, by what he does in the next one or two games in Los Angeles. According to me, that might be one of the silliest things I’ve ever heard.

Kobe Bryant will still be Kobe Bryant–one of the greatest basketball players of all-time, and a man that occasionally struggles with a protruding jaw–regardless of the outcome of the 2010 NBA Finals. If the Lakers do what the ’94 Houston Rockets did and win games 1,3,6 and 7 of a rugged series against a phenomenal defensive outfit, it will be one more remarkable thing Kobe Bryant has done in his already remarkable career. If he fails, well, he put up a valiant effort–with some single-handed gunslinging for the ages–against a starting five that still hasn’t lost a series when healthy.

The reason we want what happens to Kobe to mean something in the annals of NBA history is because it gives us–the media and fans–the illusion of control over something we have no control of.

Basketball is a team game. If the Lakers lose, it means, in a seven-game series, the Lakers–the team that Kobe Bryant plays for and leads into battle–lost to the Boston Celtics. It means the team with four All-Star caliber players beat the team with two superstars and a fantastic supporting cast. And it means, finally, that you, the beholder, have the choice to place uncredited, irrelevant *importance* on the legacy of a single player because that’s your prerogative as an American in this wonderfully corrupt democracy. Nothing more. Nothing less. You won’t be deciding anything that hasn’t already been decided. You’ll just be talking; something that can, admittedly, be very fun.

Win, lose or draw (brought upon by some sort of awful land oil spill fire apocalypse) Kobe Bean Bryant will still be the NBA’sDexter: the basketball player that kills basketball players.

With maybe twelve exceptions.

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by Russ Bengtson / @russbengtson

Kobe Bryant has played 45,092 NBA minutes in his career. He’s played in 196 playoff games, appeared in seven NBA Finals, won four titles. He’s failed over and over and over again in his… whoops, wrong line. Anyway, he’s done all that, accomplished so much, yet we’re supposed to believe that the next game – or possibly two — will be the ones that define his entire legacy?

Please.

If he wins, what of it? He still has fewer rings than Jordan, only ties Magic (who, by the way, won his five rings in nine Finals appearances. I’m not so good at math, but I think that means he lost in the Finals four times). Either way, win or lose, Kobe winds up with the vague distinction of being “in the discussion” with Jordan as the greatest ever. For your convenience, I’ve transcribed that discussion here:

“You know, Kobe Bryant is every bit as good a player as Michael Jordan was. Jordan always talked about how he wouldn’t have gotten to where he did if he wasn’t able to stand on the shoulders of guys like Doc and David Thompson. Can’t Kobe say the same thing? He built his game off Jordan’s blueprint, and Magic’s, and Bird’s. I know he only has four/five rings, I know he’s lost in the Finals, I know he didn’t win them all as the undisputed alpha dog, but it’s a different era, with different competition. Right? Is it so unreasonable to consider Kobe the best player of all time?”

“Yes.”

“But why? Jordan had Scottie Pippen, who was his near-perfect complement in every way. He had the benefit of playing for Phil Jackson before everyone in the League knew what his methods were. And his opponents were all fatally flawed in some way. Who was the best team the Jordan-era Bulls ever beat? The Jazz? The Sonics? Do any of those teams even make the Finals in the current West? Isn’t it entirely possible that Jordan’s perfect record in the Finals had as much to do with luck as it did with his oft-cited – and Nike reinforced – indomitable will?”

“No.”

“F*ck it, let’s order a pizza.”

Let’s say that the Celtics go on to win one of these final two games. Does that mean Paul Pierce – or Kevin Garnett – is better than Kobe Bryant? Does it mean they want it more? Of course not. All it means is that the 2010 Celtics were better than the 2010 Lakers for two weeks in June.

What if the Lakers win? After all, all they need to do is protect home court. This is what they played all season for. And in order to do that, they need more from Kobe’s alleged supporting cast. He can’t rebound for them, or hit free throws for them, or stop them from taking ill-advised threes. (Well, he could do that, but it would be unprecedented.) Either way, a team will win this Finals.

As for Kobe’s legacy, well, that’s already been determined in the hearts and minds of journalists and fans and Hall of Fame voters everywhere. Is it possible that these next 48 minutes negate the past 45,000? As Kobe himself, might say: No. Not at all.

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  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Should read “I’m not pushing…”

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    And for as much as I despise 24, the “blackness” of him (who came up with that theory?) has never even crossed the minds of all the people I know who watch ball (that love or hate him)in arguments for or against him. That just seems ignorant beyond ignorant. I have on the other hand, had arguments with people that said AI was too “thug” to be cheered for by white cats I’ve known, so he indeed was a form of a lightning rod in his prime.

  • http://www.twitter.com/Th3_R3al_Chris Th3_R3al_Chris

    Thank you, Khalid!

  • http://www.stuffwhitepeoplelike.com Tarzan Cooper

    Wheres lebron going?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp
  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    Khalid: Iverson was more black. You know why? Because he had STREET CRED. Ha!

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    Sorry eboy: I meant to add “should.”

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    ^Exactamundo.

  • Khalid Salaam

    @Ryan: Lol, you know how i feel about street cred. why don’t you share my sentiments with the board.

  • http://fklf.com Jukai

    Allenp: Well, yes, I guess I do agree that Jordan in the second of his threepeat was probably athletically the same as Kobe right now. Jordan lost more of his athleticism than Kobe did because Kobe stayed in top notch shape… while Jordan took some time off and reshaped his body for baseball, then had to reshape it back.
    That doesn’t exactly mean that wee should discredit Jordan’s superior athletic abilities in the beginning and middle of their careers.
    In my mind, Jordan had the leaping ability, strength, speed, and court vision that Kobe never had.
    Kobe had the shooting touch, footwork, and body control that Jordan never had.
    For the sake of argument, let’s say their intangibles… ie leadership, motivation, fundamentals, energy, were all the same
    I think the gifts that Jordan had helped raise him through more areas of his game than the gifts Kobe has.
    Those three things— shooting touch, footwork, body control… only really help him on offense and isolation defense.
    The things I gave Jordan… help him on his offense, his rebounding, his passing, and his help/weakside/passing lane defense. Really, I think there was a greater difference in physical abilities then people let on… Kobe was outstandingly quick, but Jordan was a half-step quicker.
    And yah, I’m nitpicking— Jordan wasn’t THAT much faster and Kobe didn’t shoot that much better… but when you’re dealing with 1 and 2… What else can you do but nitpick?
    I mean, you could take it as is, but f that….

  • http://Slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    @T-Money, the hood DOES NOT llike Kobe. And yes, the hood does care that he didn’t grow up in Watts or QB. If the hood didn’t care, they wouldn’t cite his being a snitch as the basis for their dislike of him. Funny thing is, the silver spoon fed kid is playing tougher than the kids from the hood. Great work by the fellas BTW.

  • http://fklf.com Jukai

    and I can’t really comment on the Iverson/Kobe stuff… but I can say this— JJ Reddick is way too white for me to root for him.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    Khalid thinks street cred is awesome. Street cred and pork.

  • The Philosopher

    Jordan is better than Kobe… by ALOT, Shaq is the most dominant center of ALL TIME. Magic is the greatest player of ALL TIME.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    A commentary from ESPN in 2007.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=boyd/070604&sportCat=nba
    Another commentary from the same guy in the LA Times in 2004
    http://articles.latimes.com/2004/feb/01/entertainment/ca-boyd1/2
    Myles made this point before. http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2008/01/the-black-manceltics-dynamic/
    Washington Times said Kobe wasn’t black and neither was Michael Jackson.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/feb/07/20040207-101912-5795r/
    There were several other random blogs about this but I didn’t include them. I’ll see what I can dig up from 1996.

  • The Philosopher

    Shout out @The_R3al_Chris.

  • Brian

    Kobe having his “blackness” questioned at least gives him one thing in common with MJ.

  • williedebo

    Kobe needs to come out and FIRE everybody up. A pre-game speech like this, for instance: http://bit.ly/armyhd

  • Kap

    How the hell did the Jordan/Kobe debate start again. Jordan is retired, he no longer plays, quit comparing every wing player who is great to the guy especially guys who have 5+ yrs left to play bball. This sh*t irks me big time. Damn, Magic got whooped by the C’s a few times, so did Baylor, West, and Chamberlain. Quit the questioning of this guy’s legacy and comparing him to Jordan.

  • T-Money

    Bryan: Uh?! You remember the love that Kobe got at Ruckers? Most of the the young players in the NBA cite Kobe as one of their idols, and a lot of them are from so-called hoods. Your point about Kobe ratting on Shaq made no sense at all. And why are we even speaking of the hood as a single entity like people can’t decide for themselves. Kobe is a polarizing figure in every demographic. One thing I know: he’s got TONS of fans. From everywhere.

  • Kap

    Wow!!! Street cred makes you more black. Dumbest sh*t I heard on a bball website. Street cred lands guys in jail or in the operating room. I think i’m officially done commenting on this site after that.

  • T-Money

    MJ’s blackness was questioned? Really? Maybe I was too young, I don’t remember that at all. I know a lot of folks were mad at him for not taking a more active political stance on Afro-American-related issues but that was it really. Or not?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T.Money
    Yeah, that’s what I remember. I have a post awaiting moderation that list a few links from articles discussing Kobe’s blackness, in addition to the one from the Village Voice.
    Just provided them as examples that this discussion has occurred in the past, evne here on Slam’s site.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    He was the first athlete that was completely consumed by a brand, T-Money. I think that made him a sellout more than anything else to people that lived in the struggle. I don’t remember his blackness being questioned over and over, but it was mentioned on occasion. It was never “an issue”. BTW, I’m old enough to remember.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    Kap: That was a joke. Khalid and I sat next to each other in the Slam office for 4 or 5 years, and that was a running gag with us. Khalid thinks the concept of street cred is absurd, and I am inclined to agree with him. Just some funny between old co-workers there.
    That said, if you’re not going to comment on a website because other commenters say dumb sh*t, you’re never, ever every going to ever comment on any website ever.
    Ever.

  • http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:OzhW3M1GBSKkgM:http://fashionsensei.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/jackie-moon.jpg Jackie Moon

    The bestowing of “street cred” upon a player is usually done by people with none.

  • http://fklf.com Jukai

    Jackie Moon with the truer statement. Sorry Khalid, yours was still pretty damn great.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Like seeing Bodie on here…

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    FWIW, Slam was asking Kobe about how he was perceived and his strange relationship w/ hip-hop culture… 8 years ago. The trophies cover. Feel free to dig that one up if you’ve got it.

  • http://www.stuffwhitepeoplelike.com Tarzan Cooper

    So if a pig had a better personality, you would eat pork?

  • http://myspace.com/circasurvive Bryan

    Damn I wish I wasn’t at work so I could get in on this. I just wanna say don’t sleep on Kobe’s early athleticism.

  • http://fklf.com Jukai

    Alright, my closing statement before I hit the road for five to six hours (ugh): this championship is sort of big for Kobe. In my opinion. Which doesn’t hold much weight, except for the newbies in the comment section of SLAM before they read more of my comments and realize how crazy I am.
    I still think Kobe’s on the cusp of the first echelon of players. That list, to me, is Jordan, Magic, Kareem, and Russell… with Chamberlain and Bird hedging on the edges of that list. Kobe, along with Big O, Duncan and Hakeem, are on the top of the second echelon of players. if Kobe wins and gets a second Finals MVP, I would honestly include Kobe inside this first echelon, and depending how long he plays and how many records he breaks in his career, I’d have to consider moving Kobe up even more. No, seriously. I take my apples-and-oranges-lists VERY seriously.
    So there you have it.
    This championship is sort of a big deal.
    It doesn’t put him second to Jordan. Put it moves him up.

  • http://myspace.com/circasurvive Bryan

    Jukai going all Bill Simmons on us.

  • The Philosopher

    What we are witnessing, my brethren, is one of a many of players who valiantly tried to ‘be like Mike’, and in essence, we may even see a player who may be caving a bit under the weight of being even ‘viewed’ as the next best thing. I also admire the faith of the basketball fans AND basketball rationals alike, who believe that maybe… just maybe we may have another Michael Jordan to bear witness to in our day. But, we don’t, and we never will. It’s not EVEN a valid basketball discussion. But it IS a fun discussion.

  • http://fklf.com Jukai

    Touche, Bryan. Touche.
    Peace y’all.

  • http://myspace.com/circasurvive Bryan

    Getting to finals and putting up 30 and 6 is hardly caving sir.

  • doc bolkers

    lol, kobe #2 all time? you kidding me? imo kobe wasn’t the best player post-jordan. tim duncan was. clutch as hell and the undisputed best player on 4 championship teams. and people whine about how kobe’s bad years shouldn’t count because he had a bad supporting cast — look at duncan’s supporting cast in 01-02 and what he did w/ it. wcf and semifinals, 60+ wins both times, with one of the worst superstar supporting casts of all time. he carried his team for years, until manu and tony finally started to emerge near the middle of the decade. there’s no excuse for kobe’s 05-07, not compared to tim.

    duncan was a winner. he destroyed teams defensively. he nearly had a 20-20 quadruple double in the nba finals ffs, for one of the slowest paced champions of all time. his stats aren’t as gaudy as kobe’s, no, and there certainly are arguments for kobe as the best. but i’ve never heard a kobe diehard ever give tim any respect whatsoever when anyone brings him up in an argument. “he’s boring”, “big men aren’t really valuable”, “shaq was better”. bs, man. bs.

  • http://myspace.com/circasurvive Bryan

    Say what you want to about the Lakers flaws being exposed but Kobe has been masterful in these playoffs. That’s not to say perfect but he has absolutely been the best player in these playoffs and it’s not close or debatable.

  • Brian

    @ Eboy and T-Money, it was the “Republicans buy sneakers too” type comments that MJ made. I suppose I could be drawing false conclusions, but back then being called a sellout was the equivalent of having your blackness questioned to me.

  • karma

    Excellent articles. Even by Ryan, who tends to pile on Kobe.

    I think its the ultimate irony when people claim that Kobe is not “hood”. This is coming after the same people probably bash the NBA for being too “thug”. So, which one is it? What do you want? Kobe is well spoken, eloquent, he dresses well, he treats reporters with respect for the most part. He’s not obnoxiously arrogant (he had his moments early in his career, but he’s not as bad as Lebron is right now)…I think early on in his career he tried to be something he was not. And he got burned for it. But now? As a guy whose been closely following Kobe since about 1998, you see the change in him, his demeanour now and its completely different. Its two different people. He is himself, and anyone who can’t see that and attributes it to being fake is quite misguided. It took him 11 years in the league, but he found himself in 2007. That’s what consistently losing (to the media, in first round exits, to your critics) does to you. It makes you humble. And humility only makes you stronger.
    Look at how much of an icon he’s become now…not just on the court, but off the court as well. Did anyone expect this in 2004 when he was “snitching”?

  • The Philosopher

    Understood, Bryan, trust AND believe. But, my point is that in all of reality, Kobe has been caving for years under THAT weight I mentioned before. For years, Bryan. Lesser players have crumbled completely under THAT weight, no doubt, but again… fact is fact. Kobe’s my dude too, but…

  • http://www.stuffwhitepeoplelike.com Tarzan Cooper

    Is it tipoff yet?

  • The Philosopher

    To piggy-back off of Karma, I’ve always felt like it always about who’s judging certain things.

  • The Philosopher

    5:10 p.m. comment was on the money in a lot of ways.

  • T-Money

    Bryan: not to be nitpicky but is 30 and 6 really that expceptional in the playoffs as the go-to guy? Isn’t that what go-to guys (Kobe, Wade, Bron, etc.) do at this time of the year when they play almost all 48? It would have been shocking to me if he were averaging less. You could argue that Game 5 was his first truly great game of the Finals.

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi Twersky

    Wow. Glad I read this.

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi Twersky

    Also, does tonight define Pau’s legacy?

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi Twersky

    Maybe KG’s too? He was a loser untill the very end of 2008 (he failed to show for a few 2008 Playoff games). A second title would go a long way towards cleansing him of his the “loser” image.

  • http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:OzhW3M1GBSKkgM:http://fashionsensei.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/jackie-moon.jpg Jackie Moon

    @doc bolkers: Spurs 2000-01 Derek Andersen, David Robinson, Antonio Daniels, Terry Porter, Danny Ferry, Malik Rose, Sean Elliot, Avery Johnson, Steve Kerr

    Looks like a decent roster with smart and savvy veterans to me.

  • The Philosopher

    Oh, and for what it’s worth, The King would have started on ALL Laker teams that Kobe EVER played on. FACT.

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