Friday, October 23rd, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  174 responses

Top 50: Kobe Bryant, no. 2

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Ryan Jones / @thefarmerjones

…in which we discuss Kobe Bryant’s greatness, through the words and opinions and clever turns of phrase of men who never heard of Kobe Bryant, because they’re dead, and mostly hKobe Bryantave been since long before basketball was a thing that existed; but, as these were clearly smart and opinionated guys, and as some of the smarter and more opinionated guys I’ve met in my life watch basketball, this method of observing Kobe Bryant’s greatness seems right and just, if not in fact infallible.

The fact that their definitions of greatness differ wildly is beside the point. And at least half the fun.

And: Because no matter how tedious this might turn out, writing about the things Kobe has done and still can do on the basketball court would be infinitely more tedious. You know. You’ve seen it. There are no secrets. There is nothing left to know.

Plus, quotes from famous dead guys fill space.

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“It is true greatness to have in one the frailty of a man and the security of a god.” —Lucius Annaeus Seneca

What Lou Seems to be Saying: That we humans are defined by our faults and weaknesses, and that those among us who rise to places of prominence and accomplish significant things do so with an almost super-human confidence that defies the very faults and weaknesses that define us. This is as close as any of us will ever get to immortality.

Accuracy as a Description of Kobe Bryant’s Greatness: 124%

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“Goodness does not consist in greatness, but greatness in goodness.” —Athenaeus

What Athenaeus Seems to be Saying: Admitting that he’s a socialist pansy is what.

Perhaps that’s harsh. Regardless, having watched Kobe adopt his focused-guy/meanie face en route to leading a team that was finally, indisputable his to the NBA title last season, it seems he has lifted one more tainted page from MJ’s book. And it worked, so why not? He’s got the offseason to be “good.” The season is for motherf*cking your way to the Larry O’Brien.

Accuracy as a Description of Kobe Bryant’s Greatness: 17%

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“Great and good are seldom the same man.” —Winston Churchill

What Winston Seems to be Saying: Athenaeus was a chump.

Accuracy as a Description of Kobe Bryant’s Greatness: Exactly 50%

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“Great men never make bad use of their superiority. They see it and feel it and are not less modest.” —Jean Jacques Rousseau

What Jean Jacques Seems to be Saying: That he was Swiss, and as such, doesn’t know sh*t about the art of war or the game of basketball.

Accuracy as a Description of Kobe Bryant’s Greatness: 8%

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“You will become as small as your controlling desire; as great as your dominant aspiration.” —James Allen

What Jim Seems to be Saying: Keep it in your pants, dummy.

Accuracy as a Description of Kobe Bryant’s Greatness: 91%

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“The herd seek out the great, not for their sake, but for their influence; and the great welcome them out of vanity or need.” —Napoleon Bonaparte

What Napoleon Seems to be Saying: Riding or dying with a guy you’ve never met and probably never will, and who mostly likely wouldn’t give a sh*t about you if you did, is stupid. As such, this reflects more on the herd than the great one, and the individual in question can only be blamed so much. Especially if he’s got a Nike deal. Herds buy shoes, too.

Accuracy as a Description of Kobe Bryant’s Greatness: 63% (Note: Accuracy as a Description of LeBron James’ Greatness: 64%)

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“No one ever became great by imitation.” —Samuel Johnson

What Sam Seems to be Saying: “Be Like Mike” was just a marketing slogan. You weren’t actually supposed to try.

That said, if you manage to pull it off…

Accuracy as a Description of Kobe Bryant’s Greatness: 2%

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“He is great who is what he is from nature, and who never reminds us of others.” —Ralph Waldo Emerson

What Ralph Seems to be Saying: Pretty much what Sam Johnson was saying a minute ago.

Accuracy as a Description of Kobe Bryant’s Greatness: 1.9%

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“To be great is to be misunderstood.” —Ralph Waldo Emerson

What Ralph Seems to be Saying: I think I’m paraphrasing Russ (though he may have been paraphrasing me paraphrasing him first), but I don’t think Kobe even understands Kobe.

Accuracy as a Description of Kobe Bryant’s Greatness: 439%

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“No great man ever complains of want of opportunity.” —Ralph Waldo Emerson

What Ralph Seems to be Saying: Nobody likes a whiner.

Accuracy as a Description of Kobe Bryant’s Greatness: –99%

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“A great thing can only be done by a great person. And they do it without effort.” —John Ruskin

What John Seems to be Saying: Assuming he means the great ones make it look easy…

Accuracy as a Description of Kobe Bryant’s Greatness: 87%

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“There is a great man who makes every man feel small. But the real great man is the man who makes every man feel great.” —Gilbert Keith Chesterton

What Gil Seems to be Saying: This is probably why LeBron got more votes than you.

Accuracy as a Description of Kobe Bryant’s Greatness: 99.8%

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The lesson? Greatness is hard to define. And so is Kobe.

Thanks for your time. Feedback, as always, is welcome.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • http://www.digitalthread.com AlbertBarr

    I loved the article. Clever, Funny(apparently most people here don’t have a very good sense of humor today), made some subtle points about Kobe. And apparently the haters are to scared to say he belongs at #1 so they just pick on Farmer Jones instead.

  • GHOST (of DUANE CAUSWELL)

    YOU JUST GAVE KOBE REASON TO DROP 100 POINTS THIS YEAR

  • k3v1n3o5

    1.Kobe 2.Wade 3.LeBron……..Hardest guy to cover=Kobe,Guy you want with the ball at the end=Kobe.Im a Heat fan,but Kobe is STILL the best in the game.LeBron on the Lakers wins a championship?True,but so would Wade.You cant blame Kobe for the Lakers front office getting him good talent,thats what theyre supposed to do.If Kobe had LeBron’s team as currently assembled,they would make it to the Finals,no doubt.And a healthy Wade(2004,2005,2006,last years Wade)would do the same,so enough with this”Oh,but if LeBron were on the Lakers” crap.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I thought this was an interesting concept for an article and pretty well executed.
    I’m curious about whether Ryan just has quotes about greatness rattling around in his head, or if just used a Google search?
    Also, I would have liked a little fuller explanation for some of the quotes, but for the most part I enjoyed the execution.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    You know what boggles my mind about Kobe’s critics? When Kobe was avg. 40 for months at a time after Shaq left all you heard was, “He doesn’t make his teammates better!” or “He’s a selfish prick ball hog!” while he absolutely had to do that in order to drag his team into the playoffs. Now that he has good teammates around him and picks his spots from game to game the same people are acting like he can’t do it anymore. Sure he doesn’t quiet have those otherworldly hops that he had in his early and mid-twenties but the speed is still there, and the handles, jumper, and post game have only gotten better with age. It’s like Kobe has evolved into everything that everyone said he couldn’t become earlier in his career so now he’s discredited because his team is better. Did MJ get worse when the Bulls added Rodman? Did Hakeem fall off when he was reunited with Drexler? And do you guys remember way back when Kevin Garnett finally got decent teammates by heading to Boston? He just turned into a shell of his former self, didn’t he? The bottom line is that Kobe has overcome ever single obstacle that has ever been set in front of him and now he’s zeroing in on the only won left, overall ring count. So Kobe haters, do it while you still can, because in a few more years you’ll probably look even more ignorant than you do now.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    KOBE OVER AI!?!?!?! WTF?!?!?!?!

  • http://hoopmixtape.ning.com/ Simon S.Y Lawy

    No matter you’re Kobe’s fan or queen’s fan, enjoy the 10 minutes youtube video …

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    “every single obstacle”

  • karma

    I’m sick of hearing this over gush of praise about Lebron. The dude cannot hit a mid range jumper to save his life, has terrible footwork, and annoints HIMSELF as the greatest in public. I understand he’s a great player, and he deserves spot 1 or 2, but at the same time, why is there no columnist on SLAM or anywhere else that has the balls to CRITICISZE the guy? Why are you so afraid to go against popular culture? Lebron’s entire career has been built on hype…even now, he’s already been given the MVP for next year without considering what anyone else is going to accomplish. It’s ridiculous.

    Enough of this “swap Lebron for Kobe” bullshit. That’s like saying if you had given 2006 Kobe the Suns team, he woulda been the MVP! IT DIDN’T HAPPEN. I could hypothesize all day, its not going to happen. Effin tools.

  • karma

    I’m sick of hearing this over gush of praise about Lebron. The dude cannot hit a mid range jumper to save his life, has terrible footwork, and annoints HIMSELF as the greatest in public. I understand he’s a great player, and he deserves spot 1 or 2, but at the same time, why is there no columnist on SLAM or anywhere else that has the balls to CRITICISZE the guy? Why are you so afraid to go against popular culture? Lebron’s entire career has been built on hype…even now, he’s already been given the MVP for next year without considering what anyone else is going to accomplish. It’s ridiculous.

    Enough of this “swap Lebron for Kobe” bullsh*t. That’s like saying if you had given 2006 Kobe the Suns team, he woulda been the MVP! IT DIDN’T HAPPEN. I could hypothesize all day, its not going to happen. Effin tools.

  • jumpman3224

    B. Long totally agree! It’s like no matter what he is doing on the court somehow (in his haters’ minds) it is tainted. First because he was “too much of a ball hog, didn’t make his teammates better.” And now because “his team is too good.” What do people want from the guy?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Everybody getting all irate should probably check out that quote by Napoleon again.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    “Won” should be “one” in my previous post. Fraudian slip. Sorry.

  • http://hoopmixtape.ning.com/ Simon S.Y Lawy

    @jumpman3224, it’s because he is the BEST, it’s because people knew ‘queen travel crappy james’ can’t do what what they want em to do.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    If they ever put a statue of Kobe in front of the Staples Center (they will) It should have a sign underneath it saying “Kobe Bryant-Took a team to the playoffs with Smush Parker as the starting point guard.”. That pretty much says it all, doesn’t it?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    He is still a douche. I saw highlights from last nights preseason game against the Nuggets and Kobe is still doing that stupid ‘jaw jutting’ after making a play. Regardless of whether you like like him or don’t, that sh*t is stupid and annoying.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Ok, now I can start my day :-)

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    This article to me is lame. Kobe Haters will like this article, because it does not focus on Kobe’s game which right now getting to the level of MJ. Lets not talk about Kobe’s game, but quotes about dead men, who thought they were smart. WOW. Kobe deserves a better article. SLAM, can I write the Kobe article for the next top 50, because Kobe is the PLAYER OF THE DECADE, over Shaq, and Tim and Is only behind TIGER world wide and he gets quotes. Lets talk about Kobe’s leadership last season to his fourth title and number one to some of yall dudes, but the last title KObe went off, should have been Finals MVP, with Shaq that year, but sill lets talk about Kobe’s moves, the fake spin shot, the wet jumper or post and added post moves or lets talk abotu Kobe’s desire to be the best basketball player ever, something Lebron doesn’t have, lets talk about Kobe’s willingness to let his stats drop so they can win a title, Lets talk about how Kobe, has matured into a complete basketball player, but he was already that, just had scrubs and still went to playoffs, Lets talk about Kobe if winning two more titles will be top 5. KOBE for the real MVP trophy, because we get sports writers who are fans now, who vote based off teammates they don’t have—–EXAMPLE Steve Nash-two time MVP. KOBE is still Doing Work, so write about his Work.

  • Michael

    i am completely an utterly shocked Eboy thought it was brilliant. he never usually kisses ryan’s ass

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Shh…..Michael….it will be our secret!

  • http://www.teflinprague.com SAB

    The Seed – let’s talk about fact – “just had scrubs and still went to playoffs” – 2005 missed – 2006, 2007, out 1st round – he was 27, 28, 29 years old – can you imagine LeBron ever missing the playoffs at 27-29 years old? or going out in the 1st round? easy answer here – it won’t happen. i know i know, you have a litany of excuses….

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    See Tad, I can respect that. I didn’t see him doing the jaw thing last night, but maybe he did. Either way the Lakers dismantled the Nugs with Pau and Bynum in street clothes. If you don’t like Kobe because of his personality, that’s cool. I’ll be the first to admit that he comes off as a huge prick sometimes, but don’t try to punch holes in the guys game because you don’t like him.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    SAB, the 2005 season I think Kobe got hurt, but his starting five had Walton, Kwame, Odom and Smush, be serious dude and Lebron plays in the least divison. Remember when Lebron came int he league the east sucked, now they are better to me. You play with scrubs in the gym and tell me if you win games. Their is no I in TEAM cat. 06 and 07 yes got bounced in first round, but you NEED TEAMMATES, now HE GOT SOME, come on cat, also we he got teammates see what happend, see yall dudes gave Lebron an excuse last year about him getting bounced by Magic, it was his fault, he stop setting up teammates, went one on four and depended on his weak jumper. SAB no excuses but facts, Lebron team underachieved and still got bounced. This is facts. Kobe won last year 4 rings. Lebron got bounced like Kobe did in 06, 07, 08, so what is the difference none, cat.

  • UnRel

    @SAB.. that’s called rebuilding.. but it’s pretty damn amazing how he can miss the playoffs, lose in the first round twice.. then get back to back finals.. winning one.. it took him 5 years.. to take a lottery team to the chip..

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    …or Pau Gasol in a gift basket for Kwame Brown. Nobody wins alone. If Pau doesn’t come to LA, LA doesn’t win last year.

  • http://www.twitter.com/JoshElam JE

    I enjoyed the article. And Simon, that’s probably the best Kobe youtube video I’ve seen.

  • http://myspace.com/brandnewis Bryan

    Co sign everything B long.

  • http://realcavsfans.com Anton

    If only he didn’t cum on that one obstacle

  • MV7

    This is a travesty, plain and simple. There is nothing this guy can’t do on a basketball court. I’d be willing to bet plenty that if you polled the NBA’s coaches on who they fear more in the playoffs, its without a doubt number 24.

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    I wish Comedy Central would give Anton a show already.

  • Elias

    I don’t remember what defined the players rank on this list, but i’m pretty sure it was either who is better than who this year or who will have the best year as an individual. Either way the list’s top 3 is wrong. If the rank is defined by skill, the number 1 should be Kobe and 2. Wade. If it’s defined by individual stats the nuber one should be Wade, and nuber 2 Lebron or CP3.

  • Joe

    This was actually pretty interesting.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Anton, that thing that got Kobe thrown under the bus, to me was good for the dude, he had to work his way back up in this _____ driven world with people who believe everything as facts, when Big Ben gets a pass, Rick Pitno and others, list too long. So yes he did an obstacle, but a number change came out of it, Shaq leaving, the 81 point game, 35 ppg average, highlights against Suns and now a ring. I say he worked his way up all the way.

  • http://antwonomous.blogspot.com Antwonomous

    Why couldn’t Ryan just give him a legit piece? You guys did this a year or two ago, too, when he was number one.

  • LA Huey

    Anton…so rude. don’t ever change.

  • http://stompandflow.com jbn74sb

    Until he is dethroned, Kobe is The Real King.

  • LA Huey

    lbj over kobe makes sense according to SLAM’s criteria. lbj’s cast (including his coach) and their shortcomings will force lebron to have a greater output than kobe this season. as far as what both can do for their teams, it’s a toss up. but lbj gets the edge on this list based on criteria.

  • http://facebook.com/jasennielsen jbn74sb

    The Farmer was one of those nerdy kids in english class that the teacher liked. He was friends with all the girls, but never got any +ss and sat around and read literature all day.

  • Double J

    cosign jbn74sb: kobe is the ish

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    Props to Ryan for this article. This must have taken quite a bit of thought and work to put this together. It highlights the many different facets/views of Kobe. One actually needs to digest the quotes and think about how those apply to Kobe for this article to make sense. it took me about at least half way through the article to understand it.
    For a straight forward analysis of Kobe’s game/impact, The Seed’s 11:50 comment is actually a really good.

  • David N.

    I feel bad for you Ryan Jones, I mean, you did what was expected and you said a whole lot, but in turn said nothing at all. I only hope that the next time you write about Kobe Bryant being the second best basketball player in the world (based on last years performance) you would remind yourself that he won the championship..a championship…and not just a MVP trophy which was overshadowed by an embarrasing 4-1 Eastern Conference exit (Lebron James), were talking a championship. And of course, now your thinking, “Kobe’s team is stacked blah blah blah and Lebron didnt have a team.” Oh how quickly we forget how that the Cleveland Cavaliers were the 2008-2009 regular season champs.

  • http://slamonline.com Jhaney

    Actually this is good. All this does is give Kobe(the real #1)somthing to really be motivated about. He was already on his way to number 5, but now he’s going kill again this season. Look for 70 plus victories and a regular season and finals MVP. Lakers over Celtics in 7.

  • ab_40

    I think it was a nice article with the quotes ‘n all. and his athletiscism and size are degressing. on skills alone he is above lebron. on killer instinct as well. on feel for the game… not so much because it is still a team game and if kobe played with 4 more kobe’s he’d still have a vocie in the back of his head say. I can do this better then all of them. it’s a team game. kobe finaly understands and he has a great team with him who have to believe in him now since he led them to the promised land… who I’d rather have in the final three minutes? kobe… the rest of the game? LeBron. D wade is nice but I’d take dwight over him 6 out of 7 days of the week

  • Bruno

    f@ck all this … Kobe is #1
    last year all of you were in lebron nuts and what happened in the playoffs
    this year Kobe’s gonna win it all again

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    i love the fact that some people think the placement of Kobe on this list gives him more fire for this season. i have a hard time imagining Kobe reading this writeup and said “fcuk Ryan Jones. I’mma drop 100 points in a game this year to prove him wrong!”
    like allenp said, go read that Napoleon quote again.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    KOBE > LEBRON!!!!

  • Ronald

    @albie1kenobi: Normally I would agree with you on a point like that. But we all know Kobe is neurotic and reads everything. That guy is weird like that.

  • Kelly

    I like Lebron also; but I don’t think he can be considered better than Kobe until he at least win a championship. The only thing he can do better than Kobe is Jump higher and dunk with more power (but that’s to be expected – he’s taller and stronger); but Kobe, on the other hand, is poetry in motion.

  • http://www.yahoo.com christian wells

    i liked the article mostly bcuz of the quotes it’s thought provoking.now as 4 kobe whatevr his middle name is bryant i’d rather hv lebron any day ovr kobe ppl give me this he passes up big shots in clutch situations,the guy believes in his teammates no matter how crappy they r,plus at the end of a close game and ur the man y not pass 2 throw off the D,plus success breeds confidence if one lbj’s lesser teammates hit a gw next time around if ur n that situation again hey u done it b4 there’s no doubt lebron is the king bcuz he doesn’t belittle or put down his teammates,4 one bcuz he knows he has 2 count on these guys for 82plus games a season …

  • tavoris

    Brad, you think they’ll erect a ststue for Kobe? before Majic, Elgin, Jerry, or Kareem? naaaahhhhh

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