• May 31, 2009 5:00 am  |  361 Comments

    Cavs/Magic Game 6 Recap

    Howard dominates as Magic advance

    by Todd Spehr

    How good was Dwight Howard in Game 6 of the Eastern Conference Finals? Just ask the people who do Andrew Bynum’s dry-cleaning, because they’re going to find out. If Bynum sat through that game and didn’t feel, shall we say, nervous, then he darn well should have.

    Howard finished with 40 points, 14 rebounds, and 4 assists in Orlando’s 103-90 evisceration of Cleveland, but it was his casting shadow and immeasurable presence, one that ended the series and the Cavs’ season in a 48-minute spree, that was the difference. From the moment those critical words (directed at Stan Van Gundy) left his lips in the aftermath of Orlando’s Game 5 loss to Boston in the East Semis 18 days ago, Howard has upped the ante. It culminated Saturday, where he was the best player on the floor.

    Make no mistake, Orlando is the better team. Slow learners know that now. They so thoroughly dismantled Cleveland, not just in Game 6, but in five of the six games total, that they deserve to be making the trek west for Thursday’s Finals opener. The Magic’s improbable playoff run of dusting off juggernauts isn’t unlike the 1988 Pistons, who beat Jordan’s Bulls and Bird’s Celtics before advancing to the Finals to play Magic’s Lakers; this Orlando squad beat the defending champs in Boston, the best player in the world (James) and his league-leading Cavs, before arranging a date with Kobe and the Lakers. And to think, Orlando didn’t have homecourt advantage in either of their victorious series’ with heavily-favored opponents, or with this upcoming one. Yeah, the Magic deserve this. And they deserved to end this series at home.

    Game 6 may have been close after one period, but it reeked of inevitability. James scored 13 in the opening stanza, with all but one of his field goals coming outside the paint. Unlike prior games, he wasn’t attacking like LeBron; ditto for his own team, but that was exactly like other games. Howard scored 11 seconds in, established the paint as his and his alone, drew two quick fouls on Varejeo, and his team never trailed.

    To quote an unknown NBA home video that is lodged in my subconscious, the second quarter was less a contest than a coronation. Orlando, with Rashard Lewis and Howard taking turns landing hay-makers, extended their five-point lead to 18, and she was looking shaky for Cleveland. How shaky? LeBron went scoreless for the quarter, missing three shots from the field and two free throws. Start up the bus.

    The second half served as a series snapshot. Cleveland threatened, albeit for fleeting periods, but Orlando’s superiority surfaced when it counted. They tied an NBA record for 3s made in a six-game series, and it could be argued that’s one of the many areas where the series was won; Orlando was potent and dangerous from the perimeter, Cleveland would have found throwing a pebble in a lake to be a difficult task.

    Howard was dominant in the truest sense of the word in Game 6, providing an assortment of dunks, lay-ups, and hooks, with the Cavs providing no answer. He shot his usual high percentage – I mean from the floor (14-of-21), not from the line (12-for-16). Four of Orlando’s starters scored in double-figures (Howard, Lewis, Rafer Alston, and Hedo Turkoglu), flexing their pre-eminent depth, and Mickael Pietrus provided what is now routinely expected: Excellent bench play. The Cavs had the better player, Orlando had the better team. It ended at 103-90, and a 4-2 Magic win, but the final margin flattered Cleveland.

    As for LeBron, well, what’s left to be said? He had the kind of series (38.5 points, 8.3 rebounds, 8.2 assists) that you build a statue for. But at last check, they don’t build statues for stars whose teams were thoroughly beaten. James was amazing all series; he might want to look for a higher league to play in. But in Game 6, he was worn - those broad shoulders just couldn’t lift his team any longer. Ironically, as much as he’d lifted them in the first place, that still wasn’t enough, his super-human efforts wasted on teammates ill-equipped to deal with the deeper, tougher, more athletic Magic.

    James couldn’t turn the corner in Game 6; Magic defenders were loading one side, expecting and waiting for his forceful drives. He practically had a tent set up at the foul line in the prior three games, but on Saturday James got there “just” 11 times, finishing with 25 points. Like the other statistical gods of this sport, MJ (seven years), Wilt (eight) and Oscar (eleven), James’ initial title won’t come early in his career or easily. LeBron’s in a weird spot right now. His historical contemporaries, when facing playoff failures, all went back to the shop, refined and recast, and came back stronger. But when you look at James’ performance in this postseason, you could be forgiven for thinking it’s not him that needs to take a gawk in the mirror – it’s his teammates.

    The manner with which the Cavs were beaten almost sours a 66-win season. Zydrunas Ilgauskas is aging, Anderson Varejeo is better suited to reserve/energy duty, and Mo Williams’ bark appears more potent than his bite. That’s not a good thing. Mike Brown was out-coached by Van Gundy, there’s no two ways about it. Yet at the same time, his adjustments (and subsequent re-adjustments) only outlined what we now know when these two teams meet: Frankly, Orlando is better. It’s not inconceivable to think that only one team in the league was better than Cleveland - the one that beat them. Who knows how the Cavs would have fared against Boston or LA, and I guess it doesn’t matter. This loss will humble… and hurt.

    With this series, Orlando won over doubters and dethroned yet another more-favored team. Another one is waiting in Los Angeles, on a bigger stage. Are you doubting them?

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    • ronak Posted: May.31 at 5:10 am
      YES!!!
      haha clevelanc

    • ronak Posted: May.31 at 5:12 am
      cleveland*

    • NICK KALATHES Posted: May.31 at 5:13 am
      Lebron gone fishing….!!!!!!
      (Lebron, come in Greece if you want!!!!)

    • jayboy Posted: May.31 at 5:29 am
      i dont get it

    • D12FSU Posted: May.31 at 5:33 am
      WOOOOOOOO I TOLD YA’LL MAGIC IN 6!!!! Now I’m sayin Magic in 6 again..you heard it here first

    • Kas Posted: May.31 at 5:33 am
      HAHAHAHA

    • Potapenko Posted: May.31 at 5:49 am
      @D12FSU:Certainly Agree!
      Mo Williams is a joke! He chickened out this entire series! For Cleveland, better start signing some quality bigs and a more reliable offensive threat or else LBJ is NYK! I am sensing the Cavs will be back from the dark ages.. This finals series is all connected to Shaquille Oneal.

    • Simon S.Y Lawy Posted: May.31 at 6:09 am
      Lebrick can’t live without those Ref … aka king crab, good job superman…

    • Simon S.Y Lawy Posted: May.31 at 6:11 am
      ha, lebrick can’t live without those ref, good job superman…

    • Simon S.Y Lawy Posted: May.31 at 6:12 am
      twice ???

    • Double J Posted: May.31 at 6:15 am
      Lakers in 6… dwight may dominate but kobe won’t lose.

    • Double J Posted: May.31 at 6:15 am
      Lakers in 6… dwight may dominate but kobe won’t lose.

    • Logan Posted: May.31 at 6:21 am
      Great win for Orlando and highly deserved. Its intersting that people are pointing fingers at Lebrons team rather than him. Anyone else, especially a certain Mr. Bryant would have been panned till the begining of next season for something similar. Lets lay off the ‘best player’ tag for Lebron until he wins something, shall we? Very excited for Lakers - Magic. The teams match up well, both having one guy no one else on the other team (maybe anyone on any other team) can stop. I’m still going to go with my Lakers. Going to be a great series.

    • LeoneL Posted: May.31 at 6:27 am
      is this the day of the double post? LOL Congrats Dwight. I find it funny that when Slam ran that story about Dwight saying he wants to bring a chip to Orlando, a lot of people doubted him. Well, the big guy’s just one more series away from that dream. LBJ to NYK?

    • WhaHuh Posted: May.31 at 6:31 am
      A beatdown

    • zabba Posted: May.31 at 6:32 am
      excellent article, enjoyed reading it, but not as much as i enjoyed watching dwight dismantle the Cavs.

    • cb 34 Posted: May.31 at 6:45 am
      This wasn’t on bron. Not at all. This was on mike brown and all his teammates. Dude can only do so much.

    • WhaHuh Posted: May.31 at 7:00 am
      Scoreless in the 2nd quarter, 1 point in the 4th

    • erich Posted: May.31 at 7:15 am
      @Logan
      It’s just dumb to say it’s LeBron’s fault when he has a versatile stat line of 38-8-8 .
      The cavs simply need a better gameplan , so it isn’t that ‘easy’ to defend them ( Mike Brown Coach of the Year??? ) and they need players except LeBron that have the ability and will to execute when they are under real pressure .
      But maybe this failure will help them like it helped other great teams in the past to grow and come back.

    • RedRum Posted: May.31 at 7:24 am
      Where are all those conspiracy theory sports writers hiding now?…. there were a couple here in Slam as well (apart from people who comment in the posts and bloggers) Or it could be a Stern conspiracy the Magic goes through so to show the world that there is no conspiracy so next year the REAL conspiracy will got through, and LJ and Kobe will finally meet at the finals (the repetition of “conspiracy” was intentional)

    • larrylegend Posted: May.31 at 7:31 am
      today is a good day! magic will win it all, no doubt! and svg will prove shaq and riley wrong!

    • Todd Spehr Posted: May.31 at 7:31 am
      The Orlando Magic are 4-0 in the postseason when Todd Spehr writes their game recaps. These are the numbers that matter.

    • The Seed Posted: May.31 at 7:37 am
      Lebron was classless after the game, not congratulating his Olymipic teammate Howard on winning, and even Howard was confused about it. Lebron thought the Chip was going to be handed to him, NO!!!, Also James didn’t talk to the media either, sad too. Jalen Rose ripped him on ESPN this morning, because if he won, they would have been taking pictures, smiling, and jumping around. Lebron to me is part of the blame, he is the superstar on this team and the leader, not West or Mo. West came to play and Mo did, but Lebron seem to give up, by not trying to score, tired is no excuse=he has teammates. The refs let them play and I enjoyed it, Mike Brown crying over Lebron not getting calls-funny. Also, Lebron to me seems to arrogant for himself, the lovable Lebron, face of the NBA, great friend, tells it like it is, not fake according to Mo, walked out=maybe some of his stuff is a front too with reporters. The Finals will be good and feel the Lakers will win in 5 if they can win the first two games at home.

    • larrylegend Posted: May.31 at 7:37 am
      keep on writing, todd!

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    • Jeff Fox Posted: May.31 at 8:14 am
      Todd has the reverse-Sports Illustrated jinx thing going on!

    • Jeff Fox Posted: May.31 at 8:15 am
      LeBron was MIA that game, but his team also isn’t good enough to win a title. As Todd wrote, Orlando is the better team. Don’t think they can beat the Lakers though.

    • Maluza Posted: May.31 at 8:28 am
      ha ha MVP title is a jinx ask Kobe!LAkers in 7!!

    • Marco Posted: May.31 at 8:42 am
      Todd, what about a 20 days vacation in europe?

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 9:02 am
      LeBron snubbed Howard after the game? Shame on you LeBron…40 points from Howard, that is what I have been waiting for…the Dudes offense is waking up this postseason…I think the Lakers and agic are going to find themselves in another close one…this playoffs has been awesome.

    • WhaHuh Posted: May.31 at 9:03 am
      @ Maluza MVP is a jinx, also ask Nash or Dirk

    • underdog Posted: May.31 at 9:04 am
      It seemed like only Delonte West wants to win the ball game on the visiting team. LeBron was too tired to do anything, although I was excepting a 60 point game from him. And yes, he forgot to congratulate to anybody. Way to go.

    • Scott Posted: May.31 at 9:10 am
      Is the seed partially retarded?

    • BETCATS Posted: May.31 at 9:11 am
      Mo Williams ECF preformance mimicks Pau Gasol’s finals preformance last year. It was a case of the infamous SIDEKICK CHOKE. As for the finals, the Magic will win in X amount of games. The Lakers defense is a zone. The Orlando Magic have the best three point shooting team in the league. The Cavs defense was also a zone. The Lakers play motion offense, the Cavs did to. The Nuggets play a half-court defense which was uncapable of stopping the Lakers. The Magic have a defensive set perfect for stoping the lakers. Now i gotta go pray to god, but at church i will send in a special request for a Bobcats-Thunder finals in 2010. Hopefully, god will be good to me.

    • [...] Like I said the other day - LeBron’s got shoulders to carry 3 large men, but needs a sidekick.  “As for LeBron, well, what’s left to be said? He had the kind of series (38.5 points, 8.3 rebounds, 8.2 assists) that you build a statue for. But at last check, they don’t build statues for stars whose teams were thoroughly beaten. James was amazing all series; he might want to look for a higher league to play in. But in Game 6, he was worn - those broad shoulders just couldn’t lift his team any longer. Ironically, as much as he’d lifted them in the first place, that still wasn’t enough, his super-human efforts wasted on teammates ill-equipped to deal with the deeper, tougher, more athletic Magic.” [Todd Spehr, SlamOnline] [...]

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 9:34 am
      THIS WASN”T ON BRON???? Are you f()Cking kidding me. Kobe drops 40, it hurts the Lakers. Bron drops 40 and lose and his teammates suck. The second have of that game Bron had 1 point. He wasn’t running in or guarding his man anymore he quit at half time. ANd ya’ll say he is the best GTFOH. Anyone on this damn site that is going to talk that. I dont want to see you guys anymore until next… all yall GTFOH. Teddy The Bear, GTFOH!!

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 9:37 am
      Lebron snubbed EVERYONE. The nuggets went and shook everyones hands and melo and Kobe hugged and had words. Lebron, walked to the locker room. HAHAHAHA good on him, what happened to the camera’s and baseball’s?????? And they’re team isn’t good enough to win a champion … that isn’t what you guys were saying when they were 8-0 in the playoffs. Ya’ll got jokes.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 9:45 am
      I am not surprised that LeBron is being given a pass for his snubbery…he has somehow gotten his image to the point where he can do no wrong…anyways he was just pissed that he is going to have to watch those stupid puppet commercials until the finals are over…he will know that is the only LeBron left in the playoffs…

    • Mike Posted: May.31 at 9:46 am
      the seed: man you took the words right out of my mouth. Everybody talks about how great of a teamate lebrick is, how he loves his teamates and all that garbage. Rashard Lewis was calling him to i guess congradulate him on the season and he acted like he didn’t see him, I was shocked because this is the guy who is so image concious, that’s why I will always defend Kobe against this because he got people fooled thinking he such a great guy and teamate when he could be the greatest fake we have ever seem. I wonder if he said anything to mike brown or to his ” I can’t live without my teamates” in the locker room. All year these guys been dancing and taking long a$$ pictures before the game and even they said they were having fun it rubbed some people the wrong way. Mike brown should be the first coach of the year to lose his job because not one time did he adjust to orlando’s game plan, to stubborn and too much of lebrons you know what in his face must have blurred his vision. I learned a lot about lebron last night , did anyone else???

    • Wall St Posted: May.31 at 9:52 am
      Buy 1000 shares of Kobe, and sell all your LeBron, dude is more Hollywood than the LAkers, give me a break ! Great teammate ? LOL ! The King ? Of what ? The hype machine doesn’t win you games, focus and leadership does.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 9:53 am
      I did … and it is great. All that Kobe bashing and Lebron **** riding. Now where are all the Lebron riders, riggs, Eboy, sesa… SLAM, where amazing dissapearing acts happen. But anyways I as well think Lakers in 5 or 6. Buuuttttttt, they have to play good, both teams. If one team slips up for a quarter, then they will have trouble.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 9:55 am
      Well it will be a good finals. Who knows who will win. I am just happy Kobe is back to his place a top the basketball world. I do think Orlando will choke a bit though … but we shall see. It will be good. And where is meloman, his new nick name is mambiatch!!!! MELOMANNNNNNN

    • rashaan Posted: May.31 at 9:59 am
      great point the seed. remember lebron did this last year after the boston loss. if u gonna take all the glory like a “king” you gotta take the losses to. MAN UP LEBRON.

    • Mike Posted: May.31 at 10:03 am
      Yeah James where are the cav loving laker haters. I guess I’ll have to wait untill next year to watch lebron kick Kobe’s a$$ right cb34. Mo Williams quote before game 1 ” were so focused, we’ve never been so focused”. Man shut the hell up and get the bait ready!!!

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 10:05 am
      The Lakers have the experience advantage and they have Kobe…both are good teams…Orlando, if they keep shooting well, have a legitimate shot at winning this thing. Lakers will have similar problems guarding the magic and wont have the benefit of the bigger front line (like against the nuggs), plus, rashard and hedo are going to pull odom and ariza out from the paint and give the lakers D fits. That said, they Magic wont have the benefit of playing against Statues down low, Gasol can actually move his feet and Odom and Bynum are also much more athletic than the cav post players, so it will be interesting how that all plays out. The true matchup will be Pjax vs. SVJeremy. I cant wait to hear the postgame interviews from these two.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 10:07 am
      I am done talking about LeBron…he’s done for the season…lets talk about players still in the playoffs, K? Like Kobe.

    • DJR Posted: May.31 at 10:07 am
      Everyone here is hating on LeBron - how quickly you come out of the woodwork. To give you an idea of why he had to score so much in this series - here’s some stats: Mo Williams shot 44% in the first two rounds, and only 35% against Orlando; D-West had his least productive series, avg lower points, assists, rebounds and shooting poorer than the first two rounds from everywhere on the floor; Wally Szczerbiak shot 22% and didn’t hit one 3pt shot against Orlando. Regardless of what you say, LeBron did as much as is humanely possible when his cast weren’t very supportive. And the reason nobody is kicking up a stink about how he behaved after the game is because everyone expected the Cavs to get through based on the way they played in the first two series - but it was like LeBron was the only Cav who came to play against the Magic. Get off his back and realise that he is pissed - remember what Kobe did when this happened to him? He ripped into his teammates on National TV and demanded a trade from LAL - does anyone think we will actually see LeBron do that this summer??

    • Bigi Posted: May.31 at 10:12 am
      Pagin’ Mr.Whitaker…

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 10:13 am
      Kobe at least waited until the day after to rip into the media…I have never seen Kobe completely snub EVERYONE at the end of a playoff series. LeBron gets no sympathy from me…I am not a hater, I just think he showed some true colors last night and the adulation he is showered with is a bit misplaced. We’ll see if he can keep up his act if he keeps not getting his ring…The King is a D!ck.

    • Bryan Posted: May.31 at 10:15 am
      If kobe walked off the court its because he’s a d*ck. Lebron walking over the court is because he’s hurt because he’s so competetive. Don’t you get it?

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 10:19 am
      All of the interviews with his team mates like MO they say “LeBron is so great, I want to do his laundary, or maybe shine his shoes…he is so great that I am not sure how to express his greatness to you”…they all look SCARED to say anything else about the King. Everyone is raggin on Kobe for being a horrible teammate, scaring players into not making mistakes…LeBron scared his teammates into standing around watching him, so they made sure not to get in the way of his performance…except when he needs them to make a tough shot after not getting good touches within the flow of a balanced offense ALL game…LeBron is amazing but he obviously is no saint and I think we will start to hear of some discontent from his subjects soon.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 10:21 am
      Bryan, I thought it was because he was trying to get back to his cloning project as quick as possible…that will be the Cavs big offseason move: signing LeBron James’ clone.

    • Alan Posted: May.31 at 10:21 am
      sweeeet game by the magic. It’s gonna be a great Finals

    • zabba Posted: May.31 at 10:29 am
      What’s this all this talk about a MVP curse? MJ would’ve just had one chip if there were such a chip. Don’t act like retards, you idiots.

    • Mike Posted: May.31 at 10:34 am
      Hey Bryan so kobe’s a dicc if he walks off but it’s ok for lebrick to skate because he was hurt. I’m gone to hoop, if Bryan were at the same court I’m going to I’ll kill em. Lebron that jerk off!!!

    • Sesa Posted: May.31 at 10:34 am
      C’mon James, enough is enough. I’m a Kobe’s fan, I never said I was a LeBron’s fan. LeBron is good but now is not his time

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 10:34 am
      cb34 too I forgot about him ahahahahaha. MELOMAN!!!!!

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 10:35 am
      cb34 too I forgot about him ahahahahaha. MELOMAN!!!!!!!!!

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 10:35 am
      Sesa … I may have you confused with someone lol… so my bad if I do.

    • Sesa Posted: May.31 at 10:36 am
      And now, Ryan Jones is probably crying on his basement

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 10:42 am
      I gotta laugh at DJR lol. lebron came to play did he? So what did he do yesterday? Walked around glum, knowing they were going to lose. Scoring no points in the second quarter, 4 in the 4th. i think he was doing it so he could blame his teammates that it was there fault. He was in for rebounds when West was shooting. instead of going in for a rebound, he walked away, West missed it and Pietrus got the rebound I believe. GTFOH… Dwight don’t want no hand shakes!! lol … I like Dwights interview too. Reporter: Lebron put his ahnd out when he fouled you did he say anything? Dwight: Naw I put my hand out, to show there was no bad blood!!! lol

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 10:44 am
      I will stop being bias when all the lebron lovers actually admit Bron quit that game and is an arrogant pr1ck lol!!

    • vic21 Posted: May.31 at 10:48 am
      Mo Williams’ christmas presents metaphor at the post game interview was so funny

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 10:50 am
      What was that vic? West said at his interview”Lebron is great, he is a superior athlete to Kobe” … yeah well so is Mr.Bolt the olympic runner, maybe GSP in UFC, still doesn’t get him a ring!!

    • Sesa Posted: May.31 at 10:51 am
      I guess this is Karma because when the Cavs win they always overcelebrates and maybe it offended some people.
      Anyways, today I simulate Lakers vs Magic on the LA’s homecourt. The Magic wins by 5 points while Howard had 23 points and 17 rebounds the most staggering stats was Rafer Alston with 20 points. Fisher was always one step slower, I guess if the game comes true the Lakers will try to trap Alston more on the game 2.

    • The D Train Posted: May.31 at 10:52 am
      First off, when LBJ stormed off the court without congratulating anyone and then refused to talk to the media, I couldn’t help but think of the Pistons, lead by Zeke, storming off like a bunch of babies after the Bulls finally ended their reign back in the 90’s. For someone who is so quick to dance around and come up with elaborate productions when his team is playing well, it was rather chickesh1t of him to bail out without even shaking anyone’s hand when his team loses. All the “Lebron is a great teammate” sh1t just flew out the window for me. Totally classless, and, in my opinion, totally indefensible. Second, I’m quite glad to be done with Mo Williams and all his inane chatter and Lebron d1ck riding. Having to listen to him rave about how great Lebron is makes me want to puke. After all his howling about being left off of the all-star team, and then his subsequent “guarantee” in this series, I can hardly think of a more deserving fellow to be sent fishin’.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 10:52 am
      karma’s a b1tch!!

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 10:54 am
      Co sign D … mo’ and JR should take fishing lessons together.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 10:58 am
      CB34 … MELOMAN … EBOY … where is YA’LL at????

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 11:00 am
      They are lying in wait for the first Magic win in the finals JtheB. They will return when there is Kobe bashing to be done…

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 11:03 am
      I guess so eh … hmmm. Well hopefully can pull 4 wins out, and the Lakers be victorious.

    • The D Train Posted: May.31 at 11:05 am
      As for the upcoming series, the Lakers will be favored, and should be. Kobe is a man on a mission, and it’ll take a lot for him to be ousted, cuz no matter how much I, or you, may dislike the man, that cat can straight out will his team to victories. That being said, LA has difficulty guarding the pick and roll, which Hedo and D12 ran right down the throats of Cleveland all series long. Bynum better pack his lunch and hardhat, cuz dude is gonna have to put in some serious WORK trying to ball with D12. Kung Pau Gas-hole trying to guard him would be some serious comedy. That spanish faux-beard won’t help him against the greatest physical specimen running the courts these days. And I don’t think you can discount the Magic’s 3 point shooting. They have played this way all year, and they’ve played extremely well, from start to finish. Since LA has a tendency to get lazy, and O-Town looks anything but, I’m callin’ on a Magical celebration in 6 games.

    • Jacob J Posted: May.31 at 11:07 am
      I declare the Magic the 2009 NBA champions beating the lakers in six.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 11:12 am
      I am saying lakers in 5/6 … but more like 6. Kobe will put Pietrus in the post more. And you may see Mbenga, and Powell get a bit of time to throw fouls at Dwight and make him work for everythinnnggggg … lamar odom ia an x factor but so is shannon brown, he can lock rafer up just like he did billups. if the magic’s 3 point shooting suffers at all … they are done.

    • Simon S.Y Lawy Posted: May.31 at 11:17 am
      I’m with James, Lakers in 6 …

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 11:18 am
      @James: I think you make a good point about Mbenga and Powell, the Lakers definitely have some decent 11 and 12th men on the roster who can do some dirty work for them. Dwight is gonna see a bunch of guys (although I doubt many will have much effectiveness). And although I agree that if Orlando’s three point shooting slips they have little chance of winning but I also have to say that if Dwights offensive production is similar to last rounds (especially last night), the Magic will be the favorite in my eyes.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 11:19 am
      Lakers in 7…they are totally stoked for home-court advantage…

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 11:26 am
      Man Orlando just might be the toughest team LA’s faced this offseason. Dwight’s rebounds and post presence in O and D, the shooters, the ball movement, and Hedo’s playmaking is going to cause fits to the Lakers’ zone. Although I’m pretty confident Phil isn’t Mike Brown, so I’m not THAT nervous. And this series would probably a good time for young Andrew to finally show up.

    • bulldog Posted: May.31 at 11:27 am
      Did you’all read AlbertBarr’s post 10:19? Read it again..and again..and again. It’s called THE TRUTH. Now all of those clones chanting “Kobe sucks” have to go back to the kiddy table, wipe the graham cracker crumbs from their mouth and sip that lukewarm apple juice. We LOVE LeBron here in L.A. but cmon- at least Kobe isn’t referred to as THE KING! This is more like the Emperor’s New Clothes - he’s NAKED! LeBron will get his championships- if not in the NBA perhaps overseas. The Lebron vs Kobe debate is now officially put to rest- R.I.P. Lakers in 6.

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 11:33 am
      Albert, if they go into this series with the same mentality they had with the rest of the teams they’ve faced, that is relying too much on that home-court-is-our-sixth-man BS, they are in for a sh!tload of pain. Because this magic team is a giant-killer in the road (RIP Boston and Cleveland) and because the 2-3-2 format in the finals means if they slip once, they’re it’s 3 games in a city that’s bloodthirsty for a chip. Anything but an LA a-game is a death sentence.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 11:36 am
      Fo,Fo,Fo,FO … lol

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 11:36 am
      I’m going to guarantee anything, but IF they come out triumphant in games 1 and 2, then kobe gets that gigantic gorilla off his back: shaq.

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 11:37 am
      *I’m NOT going to guarantee anything is what I meant to say

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 11:37 am
      I agree Krishan. The Lakers need to win both home games … Dwight will be anxious first game ande be in foul trouble in game 1. And I think game 3 as well being on his home floor.

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 11:40 am
      I’m going to say this though: it’s refreshing to finally come to this site without all the biased, unadulterated, irrational hating that flies in everyones mugs. I mean I get Ryan Jones hate, cause he kinda experienced it first hand, but some of you d*uchbags vehemently hate someone who don’t even know you’re g*oddamned first names. And THAT’S f*cked.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 11:40 am
      This is where Andrew will really come into play. Not get early fouls and just stay tough on box outs, which he has been terrible in.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 11:41 am
      I see what you mean Krishan, but I thought that, in the last round at least, the Lakers showed up on the road just as well as at home and they respected their opponent and made sure they played their best. I am not saying it will translate into the finals but they did show up against the Nuggets. And you are absolutely right, the Magic are killers on the road, they certainly aren’t afraid of taking a couple in Hollywood

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 11:42 am
      A key factor in this series is, both orlando and the Lakers have not had rest after each series. They have had a team waiting for them. Now it’s 4 and 5 days of for each of them. Who keeps the hunger and who doesn’t!! Yeah it is nice without eboy and hisham, and cb34, and teddy ecspecially. Jukai is pretty rational now.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 11:43 am
      Live and die by the 3. Last night if the 3’s weren’t falling at such a high percentage, and the cavs could hit free throws. it would be a different story.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 11:46 am
      Good point James. Keeping yourself ready in the right state of mind can be tough with a long layoff. Id give the edge to the Lakers, who are thankful to be western conference champs but arent going to be satisfied without a ring. The Magic, although I am sure they are hungry for the ‘chip, are probably pretty excited…none of the players have ever really been in this position before and thrill of eastern conference dominance could cause them to lose some of the intensity of the last round to the thrill of victory (aka partying).

    • bill breedley Posted: May.31 at 11:47 am
      the shot saved the cavs from being swept. As I have been saying, Lebron was a manufactured star. Too much Nike hype about being the “King” and “the Chosen One”. To boot, the NBA was treating him like DWade circa 2006-2007. When superior talent play him AKA Superman and the Mamba, he is exposed as a second tier star.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 11:47 am
      Hopefully.

    • neaorin Posted: May.31 at 11:47 am
      Enough with the how much LeBron scored or didn’t score nonsense - the Cavs lost this series because they couldn’t stop the Magic from doing their thing. No other reason. When LeBron finally takes on the media - he has to eventually - I guarantee that’s what he’s going to say. The Cavs never had enough firepower to win a series with scoring in the 100s.

    • cb 34 Posted: May.31 at 11:48 am
      How can the kobe vs lebron debate be put to rest when they never even played? Orlando had the better team but the cavs have the best player in the league and that includes kobe.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 11:49 am
      Pietrus will be huige in the series can he guard Kobe’s post without fouling. He has the ability to pick up quick fouls, then who guards him??? lee, will get abused in the post. hedo and Lewis are not quick enough. Who guards kobe?

    • neaorin Posted: May.31 at 11:49 am
      also, i would like to petition SLAMonline for a feature to ignore certain moronic posters. Thank you.

    • bill breedley Posted: May.31 at 11:50 am
      The real best teams in the league will be squaring of for the Larry O’brien. the pretenders have been dusted aside. Too all you bron jockers, you all are witnesses to the reality that your boy is still the “King without a ring”. If the league finally calls things even on bron and ban the “crab dribble” he will struggle to average 28 pts a night.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 11:52 am
      cb34, there he is. Yeah, they did play actually, twice this season. maybe next season though they can figure it out again. Orlando had the better team but, just two days ago the cavs were going to the finals … hmmm, so if Orlando had the better team why did you pick the cavs to win? I am guessing because the cavs have a great team and won 66 games with that team. Maybe when Hickson gets healthy that will be the reason they win a ship … he was the key in this series lol… GTFOH. They lost last night because Bron was sour, or upset or something. I am going to miss those nike commercial’s… hopefully they keep doing them.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 11:53 am
      I think MP has the POTENTIAL to guard Kobe but am not sure that he is ready for it. Guarding LeBron was all about sacrificing his body but against Kobe, you also have to be smart. Kobe just has too many offensive weapons. We’ll see if Pietrus can pull a Battier and study up on Kobe with his 5 days of rest.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 11:53 am
      Crab dribble? He doesn’t travel THAt much … but how about offensive fouls lol. if they start calling that, he will struggle to get out of the first half!

    • cb 34 Posted: May.31 at 11:54 am
      Enough of this snubbing nonsense too. Dude was hurting and it’s as simple as that. If we as fans are p.o’d, imagine how they are feeling. All y’all just reaching and trying to nail bron for anything. His numbers in that series alone was incredible and if ya’ll can’t see that then something’s wrong with you. Kobe can’t average 30-8-8 in a 6 game series even if he tried. Magic in 6 or 7.

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 11:54 am
      I totally agree neaorin. He’s a phenomenal player surrounded by mediocre teammates and helmed by a clueless coach. But he’s walking off the court was kind of a dick move. I have this feeling that if they don’t win a chip next year, he’s walking out of the cavs. Not because of any of the small-market BS everyone’s spewing out (he’s Lebron. You put him smack in the middle of corn-husking Nebraska with a basketball and a pair of Nike shoes and he’s going to create his own big market), but because the front office can’t give him a better team.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 11:55 am
      I am more interested in the Rafer Alston/Derrick Fischer shootout that I am certain will, unfortunately, occur.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 11:56 am
      O just so people know … 1) Ron Artest was at the lakers agme the other night. 2) During game 2 and the Q, in Bron’s house. They played the superman music lol. 3) Will artest and shane help pietrus out and give him a call of fax him they’re notes. 4) Is Coby karl done in the NBA?. 5) Why the heck was Ron Artest at the Lakers game?

    • cb 34 Posted: May.31 at 11:58 am
      it’s 38-8-8 btw!

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 11:59 am
      @cb34: none of said Kobe was going to average those numbers…also Kobe was getting bashed on here the other day for not giving a player dap after a good made shot…and you think that we are searching for a reason to hate on LeBron? Hurting or not, the dude snubbed the whole league with his pouting.

    • Justin Posted: May.31 at 12:00 pm
      Where’s ENDS?
      EBoy, still hating on SVG?
      Even after being there last night, it’s still a great feeling.
      Another round of basketball for people to doubt the Magic.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 12:01 pm
      CB34 lol … if Kobe avg 38 points for a series and lost. You would be here spewing ignorance like c()m from teddys sisters vag … he killed his team just as much as his team killed him. MJ could never average a tripple double like the BIg O, but he could win championshsips. So Bron can have his 38/8/8, while averaging 5 to’s. I will take a trip to the finals while averaging 35/5/5!!! You a winna hahaha, you a winna hahaha

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 12:01 pm
      cb 34, that’s pretty unfair to say that just because you’re hurting that gives you the right to be unsportsman-like. Steve nash 2 years ago was hip checked to a scorer’s table and given a bloody nose, and I’m pretty sure he shook hands with every spurs player/personnel that came to him. Hell I’m betting even Kobe did that last year too against the Cs.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 12:02 pm
      ENDS is probably in a coma from his victory celebration.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 12:03 pm
      hate Lebron lol. Hurt???? OMG … that is awsome. You are a joke. In practice before the magic series they were ok enough to be shirtless video taping themselves take and make trick shots!!! But now that they loss he is hurt … gtfoh … Kobe still needs surgery on his finger. No excuse!! He can still play!!

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 12:05 pm
      Hurt lol … that is such a joke. Kobe is 6 years older, has a torn ligament in his pinky, and played more games this post season and and season. Plus Lebron is only averaging one minutes more per game. AND Kobe played in Denver and utah which has high altitude. GTFOH… balla out!!

    • cb 34 Posted: May.31 at 12:09 pm
      albert: Bron and dwight are buddies. You honestly think that bron hasn’t called him or at the least texted him for a job well done. You kidding me? james: Bron didn’t kill his team, his teammates were overmatched. He did everything humanly possible. He had the ball in his hands more than ai in his prime. When you try to create each and every play, to’s are bound to happen. He didn’t want to average 30-8-8 but that was all he could do to keep the games competitive. You honestly think bron is a selfish player? Stay off the crack, pal! A passer with his court vision doesn’t come too often. If you don’t even give me that much, don’t know what to say.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 12:12 pm
      Yeah he probably texted him saying “Sorry I was such a d!ck but I knew I could just twitter you later so, everythings cool right?”

    • cb 34 Posted: May.31 at 12:14 pm
      Albert: I bet if you asked kobe’s teammates and bron’s teammates who the better teammate is? The answer would be overwhelmingly bron. We know kobe’s a d!ck. We saw the real him in games 1 and 2. Then come game 6, it was like a sequel to kobe doin’ work. Can’t fault him, he’s playing for the chip but i think he’s underestimating the iq of the average nba fan.

    • stan Posted: May.31 at 12:20 pm
      I’m going with the lakers to win the finals, but if skip and dwight wins one then i’m not going to be disappointed at all. What bron did last night was like kobe not attempting to shoot in some of his games in the past. I guess this is their way to send a message, but bron should have at least shake hands with the Magic players.

    • Mike Posted: May.31 at 12:24 pm
      Cb4 I’m at the big fishing store you know the one, what kind of tackle and bait do you need, do mo and lebrick have everything they need? I’ll see you at the lake!!hahahahahaha!!!!

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 12:25 pm
      CB, no one here’s saying that Kobe’s an angel. What’s amazing is that you seem to give lebron a pass for that pr!ck move based solely on “his hurting”. What, did he cry on your shoulder while he sobbed “muh-muh-my teamaaates! they suh-suh-suuuck!”?

    • Mike Posted: May.31 at 12:36 pm
      Cb4 if you don’t demand excellence from your teamates, first off can you even play , do you what a leader is. In ten years all the laker players who thinks Kobe rides them will thank him for the chip or chips they have while mo and them will look at lebrick and realize he was a great teamate but we couldn’t get it done. Now what group do you want to be in. it’s about winning, I guess MJ was a dicc too right because he got on guys and demanded the utmost effort from his players. At the end of the day I would be the guy who is a dicc with a fist full of jewelry!!!

    • cb 34 Posted: May.31 at 12:37 pm
      krishan: Ain’t making a pass for nobody. It’s a simple case of a man caught up in his emotions. That’s never happened to you? We’ve all been there man. Dude is good friends with dwight and courtney. I’m sure he congratulated the magic but we all just don’t know about it. These guys are friends man. You crucifying bron over this is pretty weak since i’m pretty sure none of the magic even made a big deal out of this. I’m pretty sure kobe has walked off the court too because he was upset. Why you acting like he pulled an isiah? That was frustration and the magic will get over it. You should too.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 12:39 pm
      @cb34: I dont care what Kobes teammates think. What matters to me is that a self-proclaimed chosen 1 cant muster the class to shake the hands of the team that ousted him just because he was “hurt”. Oh, and you are the first person I have even heard saying it was because he was hurt. My theory is that he snubbed everyone because he was to busy pouting to enjoy the a$$whoopin he had just been apart of. And the fact that he and Dwight are buddies made it even more of a snub…quit makin excuses…your boy lost and he did it with very little class.

    • Darksaber Posted: May.31 at 12:41 pm
      Laker fans gloating over absent commenters when they do the same thing when their team loses (Rockets loses, after game 4 in Denver) is some funny sh*t.

    • cb 34 Posted: May.31 at 12:45 pm
      mike: Part of being the man is riding your squad. Agree with you there. What i’m pointing at is all of you are killing bron like he tried to take out the pope. Dude was upset nothing more. It wasn’t a diss and his boys on the magic know that. You acting like this is bron’s only shot at the title. Dude’s 24. It is about winning and what makes you thing he ain’t getting his share of jewelry eventually? They lost to a better team. Leave it at that. You’re reaching when you say bron isn’t even a leader. We been watching the same games?

    • Matt Posted: May.31 at 12:46 pm
      Prince James still has much to learn

    • Darksaber Posted: May.31 at 12:46 pm
      And i agree with most, LBJ should not have emulated the bad boys of ‘91. Bad decision, no need to overanalyze.

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 12:50 pm
      Dark we absent ourselves if the team we love, the Lakers, lose. It’s true. You f*ckers disappear like c*ckroaches under a lightbulb when someone you hate wins. Hey, can you tell me the difference between a fan and a d*uchebag? I’ll wait.

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.31 at 12:52 pm
      If Bron comes out of his hole and sees his own shadow, Cleveland is doomed to another two decades of failure.

    • tina Posted: May.31 at 12:53 pm
      Agreed Darksaber, but lets not crucify all Laker fans for a few high headed fans.

    • nate the great Posted: May.31 at 12:53 pm
      i blame the whole cavs team.
      the whole coaching staff.. ha, even the trainers and scouts.
      The Magic just owned them, straight up.
      the cavs only game plan was give lebron the ball. that never works. you will find ways to stop him.
      you cant blame lebrons team alone. c’mon they were the best TEAM in the nba with 66 wins. its lack of coaching…. from the coach of the year.
      same thing happend to the blazers this year. 4th in the west, but the only thing mcmillin said was give the ball to broy. the team didnt get involved.
      idk.
      magic in 7.

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 12:55 pm
      I can’t believe wordpress bans the word “c*ckroach”

    • Mike Posted: May.31 at 12:55 pm
      Cb4:man look bottom line is you kill 24 im gonna kill 23. And if brick is so real and kobe so fake then why are they good friends? Answer that!!

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 12:56 pm
      That’s some straight-up literal profiling right there. Why must we judge a word by it’s spelling?

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 1:00 pm
      I’m still waiting btw, Darksaber.

    • nate the great Posted: May.31 at 1:03 pm
      if you wanna kno why people should hate lebron.
      click my link, and click the button.
      “why hate lebron james”
      and read.. if you kno how.
      p.s. im not a kobe fan either.

    • Canuck Posted: May.31 at 1:06 pm
      If kobe walked off the court its because he’s a d*ck. Lebron walking over the court is because he’s hurt because he’s so competetive. Don’t you get it? Ummmm, I actually just read non stop about how much of a dick LeBron is walking off, then one person sticks up for him and it’s back to talking about how everyone ride LeBron’s **** right? it’s just like on comments when everyone will be bashing LeBron and talking about how absolutely everyone loves LeBron and its stupid. If everyone is bashing LeBron, obviously more people hate him than “ride his ****”

    • Scruffz Posted: May.31 at 1:09 pm
      So all season LeBron (and the rest of the team, of course) look like total a**hats with their stupid poses and celebrations. That they lose the series and he runs away like a baby? Let Kobe or Agent 0 do that, and we’ll see the sports media blow up about how selfish and classless they are. but no, LeBron is the King (of what? I have no clue), so he doesn’t get that criticism.

    • neaorin Posted: May.31 at 1:09 pm
      @nate the great: I actually felt my IQ was dropping while reading that site, a power previously held only by New World Order theorists’ and 9/11 Truthers’ websites.

    • Darksaber Posted: May.31 at 1:09 pm
      oh i’m sorry, did i state i was here to discuss semantics with namecallers like Krishan? Keep on waiting, playa. Don’t matter to me.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 1:09 pm
      LeBron lost some respect for me when he not only skipped the press, but he ditched his team. after the game you get on the bus and go home with your team. LeBron ditched the team and is staying with his mom for a while. Say what you will about Kobe, MJ, Magic, Hakeem, Shaq or even Bird, but NONE of them straight ditch their team after a loss

    • neaorin Posted: May.31 at 1:12 pm
      @Justin: they said LeBron talked to the team in the locker room before leaving (click my name).

    • cb 34 Posted: May.31 at 1:12 pm
      mike: Kobe and bron are friends but they ain’t as tight as you think. Bron isn’t as close to kobe as kobe is to melo. Know what i’m saying?

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 1:18 pm
      Dark, go back to your 12:41 comment and then read my 12:50 comment. Hell, read it twice if you want. You described how ironic it is that laker fans are gloating now that *some* commenters are not here, especially when we disappear when LA loses. I then implied that when we do that, it’s out of us being legit hurt because we are fans, but when *some* commenters pull this sh!t, it’s out of spite. It’s not semantics, it’s common sense. Notice I didn’t call you any names.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 1:19 pm
      and to qwell theories, let’s clarify. On an away game, after the game, win or lose- you get on the team bus and go home with your team. You don’t drive yourself, you don’t get on a different flight. Nobody does that trash. Not MJ, not Kobe, not Magic, not Bird, not Kareem, not Hakeem…NOBODY. And Bron didnt shake hands, only spoke two sentences to his team in the lockerroom “stay positive, we are a great team” then got dressed and left.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 1:19 pm
      neaorin: that article you linked to sums up perfectly what james’ attitude was last night… “No one spoke at length to him, said Williams, who compared James’ frustration with a child who didn’t get the present he longed for more than any other on Christmas morning.”…he was throwing a LeBron tantrum. And he is staying with his mom and ditching his team?…that is cold. LeBron is amazing but this is a low point…he is human after all…

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 1:20 pm
      neaorin, he spoke with BOOBIE and a few other PLAYERS in the locker room with like 2 sentences. He didn’t give them a conversation bro. I know what I’m talking about. You know how many basketball writers were hurrying to figure out exactly went down? I can name a good 20 off the top of my dome.

    • Scruffz Posted: May.31 at 1:21 pm
      Come on, really? When the Cavs swept their first two series no one said anything about him needing more help. All of a sudden they lose and everyone starts saying he needs help? Look at the box score. there were three other Cavs players who were in the double digits ins coring. They also each shot at about a 50% clip. This is the same team that won 60+ games this year, but all of a sudden the supporting cast isn’t good enough? I honestly think people are just reaching for an excuse to say LeBron is the supposed “best in the world”.

    • Mike Posted: May.31 at 1:22 pm
      There can’t be a double standard in the good ole U.S of A now can it, because if this isn’t an example of double standard I’m going to lose. But just keep making excuses for brick, win or lose I’ll see all you new magic fans in the finals

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 1:23 pm
      Scruffz to be fair, they swept detroit and atlanta. He didn’t need much help at all.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 1:24 pm
      that was one of the most *quoting eboy-esque fire here* “b!tchmade fake kobe doin work” move ever. You don’t leave your team. You remember when Kobe had NO help when he was dropping 35PPG? You remember that a few years back? Even when they lost a playoff series he didnt ditch the team. He went on the bus with them, they all drove to the plane, then he flew with the team. And most commenters, even kobe fans, say Bron is a better teammate.

    • Darksaber Posted: May.31 at 1:27 pm
      Krish: whatever their reasons, all this calling out by commenters serves noone. I’ve never hidden my utter dislike of Signore Bryant, but i love nba ball and can respect dude’s talent, no prob. If guys/gals feel the need to insult specific commenters on a game to game basis, exchange e-mail details or something. And i do think, you neef to re-read your very own comment, not me. Far as i know, “you f*ckers” qualifies as “namecalling”, no? Oh well, i enjoy Bron’s work, but never liked Cleveland as a team, so i’m quite happy for SVG (take THAT, Riley). Gonna be good finals games.

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 1:28 pm
      Justin let it go, can’t you understand he was hurting?

    • Mike Posted: May.31 at 1:29 pm
      Cb4 tell both of em stop doing B.S. Interviews and get 24 a new puppet room mate. Second, how would you really know? Are you Lebricks driver or something? Tell me please!!

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 1:31 pm
      Heres my thought on commenters name calling and crap- I always get into very spirited arguments with people on this site. Eboy, Darksaber, Tariq… The list goes on. The difference is we don’t attempt to ether eachother with names we learned in 5th grade math when Jimmy that kid nobody liked called the teacher a f**ker. If we’re going to go off on people, let’s go off on their opinion, not them as a person. Because I’ll be real, I have an insufferable respect for Kobe Bryant, and ask Darksaber, sometimes I flat out refuse to give up a point when we argue the Kobe vs. Bron thing. He and Eboy call me out, I admit, then we move on where I bash Eboy for all intensive purposes being Dwyane Wade’s marketing partner hahaha

    • Anton Posted: May.31 at 1:31 pm
      I would have punched every single one of my teammates after this series.
      -Fire Mike Brown
      -Bring in a post presence and an athletic swingman
      -Prepare for glory

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 1:31 pm
      Dark: alright, that was out of line and I apologize. In fact I would go out and say that yes you do give Kobe props, although peppered with the occasional “Mambiatch”. But you have to agree that certain discussions about the lakers get derailed by all these abject and completely unnecessary hating. And now that *some* commenters bait here, if only for the time being, is some sort of recluse for someone like me who cheers for the lakers but love this site.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 1:32 pm
      Krishan, I hope like crazy you are being sarcastic. You think he hurts more than Kobe when he loses? More than Michael Jordan when he lost? Mana get that sh!t out of here!

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 1:33 pm
      and Krishan, when the lakers lose, best believe I’m in the comments railing on why. And defending myself against a roid rage-esque Eboy!

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 1:33 pm
      I meant to type “no longer bait” rather than just “bait”. That is one big f*ckin typo.

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 1:35 pm
      That was a rib on cb 34 justin. LOL, I guess not everyone reads all the comments.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 1:35 pm
      you guys thinnk this is no big deal? Even ESPN, the biggest Bron stans in the WORLD, are digging at Bron for his post game actions. And ESPN would probably give him the benefit of the doubt if he shanked somebody mid game

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 1:37 pm
      Krish, I am uber lazy, and a bit hung over! I got my sauce on last night for that game. RESPECT THE GAME! haha. More importantly, where was everyone and did they enjoy themselves during this game?

    • Darksaber Posted: May.31 at 1:42 pm
      @Krishan: no harm done and yes, this whole MVP “debate” has become an impossible discussion. Right up there with “Jen vs. Angelina, who should Pitt be with?” in terms of the passion invested by both camps. (sorry, i tried the term Anti-Mike out, but i just luuuv Mambiatch, can’t help it)
      Ps: Justin at times, is too cool. The school analogy? Amusing stuff.

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 1:46 pm
      1- If you think the Cavs lost because of Bron, you’re crazy. The Cavs didn’t get SWEPT because of Bron.
      2- Mike Brown got thoroughly outcoached.
      3- The better team won. Regardless of records.
      4- Bron should have congratulated Howard and faced the media. You like those cameras when you win, right?
      5- Cleveland needs to roll the dices. They can’t come back with the same team and expect different results. That’s wishful thinking. Danny Ferry is going to have a busy summer.

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 1:48 pm
      6- LBJ is the best player in the L even though he’s not a finished product yet.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 1:49 pm
      Z, I say true on all counts. Also, I say Bron is GONE. I don’t think he has a chance of signing another contract with the Cavs after this, much less a piece of paper thats an autograph for an employees kid.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 1:50 pm
      Z on 6- not totally. most dominant player yes. But not the best skilled, that’s for daaannnng sure. Kobe Bryant CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP

    • Darksaber Posted: May.31 at 1:50 pm
      “prepare for glory”. Anton has a way with words…. I liiike. Oh can i please state the obvious with regards to the human victory cigar (NOT), Mo Williams? Good riddance.

    • donovan Posted: May.31 at 1:52 pm
      Who cares if LeBron didn’t talk to the media after the game? What’s he going to say to the daily fishwrap dudes? “Oh, it sucks we lost.”? Not saying it’s great, because others who lost did, but I don’t see why it’s such a big deal. Hell, it would actually give a good writer more material.

    • Darksaber Posted: May.31 at 1:56 pm
      someone at the Walsh crib should keep on filling up his glass. Justin is pulling a Bengtson today: priceless gems of wisdom & comedy.

    • donovan Posted: May.31 at 1:56 pm
      Oh, and in case anyone didn’t notice, Cleveland’s big men are GARBAGE.

    • Krishan Posted: May.31 at 1:56 pm
      Z, #5 I totally agree. If they pull something amazing, Wally Sexyback and his expiring contract should be next year’s MVP.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 2:00 pm
      pulling a bengtson- priceless line in itself. That cat is always on fire. I don’t get it. It’s all in that auburn tinged beard. By the way, last night while I was swerved up, my old man was running around the game room (father son alcohol bonding for the win) screaming “CUZ I AM THE BIRDMAN” when the Magic hit threes. Real talk, my father.

    • Darksaber Posted: May.31 at 2:05 pm
      *mouth hanging open in awe*. Wow, Justin, you is on feuer!

    • Mike Posted: May.31 at 2:07 pm
      the big men weren’t garbage when they were beating up on an injured al horford or the underachieving big men in Detroit now were they. They were the best thing to happen to basketball since chauncey billups for the nuggets!

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 2:07 pm
      by teh way, just realized something. if the NBA is south park, then LeBron is cartman. “Screw you guys, I’m goin hooome.” Does that make Kobe…Craig? The narcassistic dweeb? Does that make Charles Barkley Chef Luv? Yes.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 2:08 pm
      Hay guyyz! I’ so h0m0… Jus’ wanttd to tel u all thet, ‘cuz I’ luvz Meloman. I dun’t wont MElo to chanje hiz naym, ‘cuz I’z a h0m0.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 2:08 pm
      I’ allso luvz Jukai. But me betta den Jukaizz et commenteeng!!!!!!!111

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 2:10 pm
      Ahrharharhrhrhrhrhrharhrhararr James is ballaaaaaaaaaa. Jim Jones bes’t rappeer aliive! ‘Cuz he sez I’z a ballaaaaa!!1111 I’z a h0m0 too!!111

    • Darksaber Posted: May.31 at 2:11 pm
      dude is just upping the ante, now. Justin unleashed

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 2:11 pm
      I believe even with Wally’s contract expiring the Cavs are still over the salary cap, so I am not sure how much that will actually help. Although, just not having him on your team is a bonus.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 2:16 pm
      Wally ‘more zip zip than z-z-top’ Sexyback’s expiring contract is more alluring to teams’ salary cap than The rights to the next 5 years of anybody in the league. Also… The NBA: Where Rashard Lewis justifies his 126 million dollar contract by outplaying LBJ in a game clincher happens. The NBA: Where Puppet commercials are more interesting than the real people. The NBA: Where Reggie Miller r*mjobbing LeBron after he ditches his team happens. The NBA: Where great sums of alcohol induce a “bengtson-esque” performance happens. By the way, you ever look at that auburn headed pretty girl Rachel Nichols? I bet if she fixed just one tooth JUST a smidge, she’d be like the smart Erin Andrews. Wow, watching SportsCenter, Dwight just said he was disappointed that LeBron didn’t even shake his hand… He really does look disrespected by it.

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 2:24 pm
      Justin, saying that Kobe is the most skilled is admitting that Bron is better. You wouldn’t say that Kobe is more skilled than Melo, right? You’d just say that he’s better. Kobe is more fluid, more elegant out there. Bron is the best at playing basketball, regardless of style points. This is not figure skating. And what about the court vision? Isn’t that a skill?

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 2:27 pm
      no Z. I am saying Kobe is a better basketball player. LeBron is just more dominant because his size is sickening & if he drives to the hoop you can not touch him therefore he can’t be guarded on the drive. Court vision is solid, but his outside shooting is merely okay, his midrange shooting is atrocious, he has bad footwork, he doesn’t have a post game.

    • Yassi Posted: May.31 at 2:30 pm
      @darksaber: in german it would be:
      Justin, “du bist heiss” or actually “du bist on fire”.
      although I wouldnt sign any of those :D

    • Yassi Posted: May.31 at 2:31 pm
      oh, btw: YESSSSSS!!!!!! Go Magic ;-)

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 2:32 pm
      The postgame thing is not true. The 3 point shooting is the same as Kobe’s. Kobe’s advantage is in the mid range game. STILL, they put up the same scoring numbers. Kobe never avg what Bron avg’d in this series. Saying that LeBron is more dominant because of his size is a cop out. It’s like saying Tony Parker is only an allstar because of his speed. It’s a catch 22 because if Bron wouldn’t be using his size, you’d be the 1st one to criticize him for playing soft. His footwork is freaking solid, I don’t know what you’re talking about. Bron is the better player. What you wanted to say is that you prefer to watch Kobe play. I can’t get mad at that.

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 2:34 pm
      LeBron shoots the same amount of free throws per game as DWade, Dwight Howar, AI in his prime, KObe when he used to get to the hole. Superstars shoot around 10 ft’s per game. Dead that sh!t man and look up the facts. LeBron doesn’t get bailed out more by the refs on drives than any other stars, including Kobe.

    • cb 34 Posted: May.31 at 2:36 pm
      justin: Bron’s midrange isn’t at hamilton level but is better than most. Now he has a three too. Dude’s got great footwork plus a post game if needed.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 2:40 pm
      he does not have great footwork. he does not have a good midrange jumpshot. he is still a far too streaky shooter. Z, look up the facts? Man, I got a true shot chart on bron from this season that would make your he has a jumper argument look retarded. Let me link you. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_vphGB-RmZVc/SaiCGJNqcwI/AAAAAAAAADQ/MHuSPO6uyaQ/s400/Picture+6.png click that. that is an official NBA shot stat over the entire season. notice the percentages at each individual spot on the floor. notice how many percentages are appallingly low.

    • cb 34 Posted: May.31 at 2:51 pm
      justin: And how is kob better than bron? In what area? Just because he looks better doing the stuff he does, does not make him better. And please do not say clutch!

    • neaorin Posted: May.31 at 2:52 pm
      meh, this will blow over. You don’t hear much about how Kobe refused to play for any other team than the Lakers when he came into the league… and he sure hadn’t won anything THEN. Maybe LeBron should’ve held out and refused to play for the Cavs in his neverending quest to get to NY.

    • NBA in China Posted: May.31 at 2:54 pm
      The NBA… where LeBron is not so different from Kobe happens.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 2:54 pm
      cb 34, i have a response to you and Z pending. its pending because of a link to something i want you guys to look at. And no, I wont put the clutch sentence in there. but he is more clutch, that much is undeniable. but that’s not why I think he’s better.

    • knock knock Posted: May.31 at 2:55 pm
      ey Z are you a retard?? lebron averaged 16.8 ft a game vs the magic. That is an nba record over the 6 game series. His average is the highest since the nba existed in 1949. you are obviously blind, there are superstar calls, and then there are lebron calls. *by the way, anyone find it hilarious that even with all those free throws that lebron still found a way to lose, that in itself is a record.

    • tina Posted: May.31 at 2:58 pm
      I’m not saying Lebron is not great, but to say “great footwork” you know he invented the crab dribble to get away with a travel right? No doubt he’s going to surpass alot of players but lets not crown him king just yet.

    • Josh D Posted: May.31 at 3:05 pm
      Magic in 6 or 7

    • cb 34 Posted: May.31 at 3:08 pm
      justin:Kob is not more clutch. He’s just been in the league longer. Found it funny when someone said a week or so ago that bron’s only had two game winners which included the 3 in game 2. That wasn’t even accurate. He had 1 in gs this season and one against no in 2008 and that was just off the top of my head. These were buzzer beaters and not game winners with time left. I’m sure there’s more if i look it up. Quit the clutch argument because it doesn’t hold anymore. Dude has had countless gamewinners. 2 against washington in the same series. The one in detroit last year. 24 has several up his sleeve but that is because he’s had years of a head start. Trust me, it’s a hella lot closer than you would think. And we’re only discussing the clutch dept. Aside from this, there isn’t another area where you could defend that kobe’s better than bron. What? What?

    • Spaceship Jay Posted: May.31 at 3:09 pm
      Sigh. LeBron pulled a MAJOR no-no by not addressing the media or the Magic after the loss. Z, I’m sorry that LeBron is out. When Anti-Mike win’s a chip in these forthcoming weeks, I will never comment on a Kobe LeBron comparison again. Do you not think that Mike/Anti-Mike would have let their teams lose? Do you think Anti-Mike would not publicly sacrifice Farmar’s entrails in the middle of the Lakers court emblem for a championship? Then you are wrong. It’s been said that Mike and Anti-Mike are/were tough to play with because of they would get in a teammates @$$ if they weren’t performing to their standards or the players potential. To clash against the Magic 6 times and do the same thing every time was absurd.

    • cb 34 Posted: May.31 at 3:14 pm
      tina: Not being rude here, but i don’t think you understand what great footwork is. Study his game carefully next time. Yeah he changes pivot foot sometimes but i’ve seen kb, dwade, mike and chuck do that countless times. They’re so good at it that you sometimes notice the travel with the slo-mo. Regardless, dude has excellent footwork. Cmon all these arguments are ridiculous. Be open-minded. I don’t even hate kob. In fact, i respect his game so much but the torch of the being the best has been passed and there’s no giving it back.

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 3:20 pm
      Saying that Bron ‘let’ his team lose is the the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard. Anyways, I’m done with the Kobe/Bron thing. Some people look up at facts and some don’t. No biggie. You can’t win alone when others don’t step up, ask Kobe. The Lakers can win when Kobe goes for a quiet 25, the Cavs get annihilated when Bron goes for a quiet 25. The Magic played a hell of a series and deserved to win. The best player in the L doesn’t necessarily play in the team that wins a ’ship every year. I won’t make any predictions because I have no freaking clue. Orlando fared well against LA in the reg. season. It’ll be a battle and I’ll enjoy the show since I have no rooting interest in any of the two teams.

    • cb 34 Posted: May.31 at 3:22 pm
      spaceship: uh kb has let their teams lose a lot of series. Mike too but mj never lost a finals and that’s something you can’t take away. Bron’s lost one and kobe two times. So i guess that’s not the right argument man.And that media snub thing, shaq’s done it a couple of times, sheed too. can’t recall if kob did that against detroit but i’m confident kob has walked off the court at some point in his career due to frustration.

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 3:26 pm
      About the footwork thing, there’s a difference between not being able to execute and knowing you can get away with stuff. LeBron would absolutely be able to not take that half-step if it was called, don’t be dumb. THe thing with guys like Justin and Myles is that they’re stuck in 2005. LeBron’s postgame is not a problem anymore, did you guys even watch THIS season? How could you say that he has no postgame? If anything, Mike Brown doesn’t call plays for him on the block enough. The 3-point shot is only a problem if you consider that Kobe’s 3-point shot is a problem too since they’re identical from deep. The courtvision which is INSANE for a wing (not merely solid as Justin stated, insane as the best since the Big O) is always downplayed. And then it’s like, oh but he’s so big! So what? Doesn’t it make sense to use your physique when you’re prolly the strongest wing ever? Wouldn’t it be freaking stoopid to play cute to prove to the ‘haters’ that you can be nimble? Get real.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 3:26 pm
      cb 34, i know what the hell I’m looking at when I watch basketball- lebron does NOT have great footwork. Period.

    • Justin Walsh Posted: May.31 at 3:27 pm
      z, to me when i say solid that means without weakness. lebron’s court vision is solid aka without weakness. by my definition i am not dissing bron’s court vision.

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 3:28 pm
      bron should have talked to the media, that’s true. and for the ones that say that he gets a pass when he effs up, well what say you now? he’s catching a lot of heat for the media snub and he’ll learn from it. i guess the extension won’t happen this summer though lol. no way he’s signing it now.

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 3:30 pm
      justin, could you please expand on the footwork. what does lebron do (or not do) to prevent him from having great footwork?

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.31 at 3:31 pm
      HE TRAVELS ALL THE G*DDAMN TIME!

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.31 at 3:31 pm
      Sorry, but that one just seemed obvious to me.

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 3:32 pm
      i won’t answer now because i have to go but i’d be glad to read that. lebron didn’t have a postgame either… 3 years ago. in 09, he has shown hooks, spins, up and unders and the whole nine in the post.

    • Spaceship Jay Posted: May.31 at 3:32 pm
      Not comparing LeBron to Kobe or anyone else as far as the media is concerned. The only one that I can compare to LeBron to is Isaiah right now, not because of the media thing, but not congratulating Orlando after the game. LeBron is really good. But him doing that at the end of the game just says to me (should say to everyone) that he’s still got some time to grow. So let him grow into the best player in the game the way I know he will GROW to be.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: May.31 at 3:35 pm
      Good job, Magic.

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 3:36 pm
      myles, i’d like to research that. how many times he traveled this year compared to other star wings. the closest thing i could find is 82games dot com. They list the number of ‘ballhandling turnovers’. kobe and bron were both in the nineties. that would include both walks and carries tho. so it’s not perfect. can someone find a better stat?

    • Spaceship Jay Posted: May.31 at 3:36 pm
      Myles is absolutely right. He has highlights that the NBA ran throughout the year on a daily to weekly basis where he BLATANTLY traveled. Like not-even-maybe traveled. LET HIM GROW!

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 3:37 pm
      it’s 09, folks. the data is there if you want to take a look at it. the free throws, the turnovers, the shooting, everything is there. so before making a generic statement, just google sh!t up. i’m out, i’ll comment later tonight.

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 3:39 pm
      guys take a look at the travels that get called. would you say that wade doesn’t have deadly handles even though he carries the ball a lot. no, you wouldn’t say that. dwade knows they won’t call it so he’ll do it. same with bron.

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.31 at 3:41 pm
      And as to your ’skilled’ v. ‘best’ ‘argument’, The reason one wouldnt say that Kobe is more skilled than Melo is because there is no recurring debate as to which of the two is the better player. There is one with LeBron and Kobe. And its so close that words like skilled, dominant, overall, closer, experienced and upside are used. Because in measuring two such immensely talented players, “better” may simply be a matter of preference and the ‘winner’ in any given category could only be by a matter of degrees. RE:Brons post game.
      If he has a post game and the Cavs hardly have any other capable post players on that team and hes 6′9 260+ and is surrounded by shooters, then why is it that their offense continually devolves into him dribbling away the shot clock at the top of the key before driving or pulling up for three? Why wouldnt he go to it more whether the Coach of the Year suggested it or not? Could his passing out of the post be just as integral to team success as anywhere else? Isnt it easier to score from the block? Its one thing to say he has no post moves whatsoever, I wouldnt do that. But he doesnt have a consistently dependable one. He has every tool to be one of the best post players in the league. But hes not.

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.31 at 3:42 pm
      Another stat that is readily available is that though he averaged an unreal 38 PPG in this series, Bron also took an ungodly 15.6 FT per in a 6 game series.

    • Spaceship Jay Posted: May.31 at 3:43 pm
      There are flaws that all players through the years develop past or compensate for through time. LeBron still travels, whether its recorded or the refs are pre-occupied thinking about their loan-sharks at the time. He’s only 24! When his maturity starts to peak I have no doubt that he will be averaging a triple-double. What’s scary is that he’s doing what he is now and he’s not there yet.

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.31 at 3:44 pm
      RE: Footwork. Crab dribbles aside, Bron frequently takes more than a half of an extra step and changes his pivot feet just as often. In one of the first two games in Cleveland of this series-Iforget which-Bron had a late game assist to Delonte for three after being denied the drive. Problem is that he switched pivot feet at least twice before making the pass and nothing was called.

    • Spaceship Jay Posted: May.31 at 3:45 pm
      Lol, so that makes traveling right.

    • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.31 at 3:46 pm
      Congratulations to the Orlando Magic. Disneyland v. Disney World Finals!

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.31 at 3:47 pm
      And thats where the ’skilled’ portion of the debate arises because say what you will about any other portion of his game or personality but it is undeniable that KB has some of the best footwork and best post games in the L. And that comes from years of experience and practice that arent just bestowed on anyone no matter how talented they may be. It takes time. Ive never said that Bron cant or wont be the best. I just say that those are some of the things he needs to work on in order to get there.

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.31 at 3:49 pm
      So will the winner just go to Six Flags instead?

    • Slam Reader Posted: May.31 at 3:49 pm
      Let’s go L.A!!! You can do that baby!!!

    • tina Posted: May.31 at 3:58 pm
      @cb34 i might not know alot about basketball, but i know a travel when i see it. If traveling was legal then yeah Lebron has “great footwork”. Like i said Lebron will be King James one day, just don’t crown him yet.

    • Bryan Posted: May.31 at 3:59 pm
      I can’t believe this conversation is still going on even though lebron is comfy at his mothers side right now. Kobe is a better defender, better shooter,more skilled scorer, has a better post game and is pound for pound as good a rebounder as bron is. Bron is a better teamate and a better passer and I would argue those two attributes are what have him sitting at home right now. Kobe might be an ass but he demands respect in the locker room and expects his team to perform to his own unreal ability, lebron makes excuses for teamates and is too busy taking fake photos to command the locker room. And hey remember when someone brought up a time when the only thing keeping kobe better than lebron was his killer instinct? And then laughed it off? I don’t see anyone laughing now.

    • tealish Posted: May.31 at 4:30 pm
      Haven’t read everything, but James the Balla — as obnoxious as he is — has a couple valid points in his taunting rants. It *is* amazing how quickly the story changes from the Cavs being the best team in basketball, to one that is “obviously inferior at this point even for the slow learners” (I paraphrase).
      I think there was a comment section where something along these lines were brought up and discussed, but this is precisely the reason why it is getting easier and easier to “hate” on King James. I just know that from watching this year’s postseason, I’ve somehow found Kobe more and more tolerable.

    • Spaceship Jay Posted: May.31 at 4:37 pm
      Thank You Bryan.

    • Pardeep Posted: May.31 at 4:50 pm
      The LeBron that walked off the court without shaking hands for the 2nd year in a row is the real LeBron. Not the one that the NBA markets so much and the one that pretends he cares about the fans and the one that does dances before games because he thinks he has the NBA at his feet. I knew this would happen Cleveland had to face a hard time to late in the playoffs they never got a test before that and people were jumping on the wagon saying LeBrons the best in the world. No way. Not till he develops a consistent jumper and not till he can close a game out properly(the game winner was nice tho). Its the LAKERS time now and Kobe is going to shut up all the haters once and for all.

    • Pardeep Posted: May.31 at 4:56 pm
      By the way finally someone has the balls to come out and say this. A negative article about LeBron finally. But this is the truth. http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6264363/15317769.

    • Eboy Posted: May.31 at 5:28 pm
      Boy, it’s like a gay pride parade around here with all the times I’ve read my name from the numerous “prideful” Lakers fans looking for me. Here’s my deal. I don’t frequent the site on weekends. Simple……..howeva……to make things interesting……how about this….James (since your are the most queer by calling me the most) perhaps you’d make a gentleman’s e-bet with me. If the Magic win the series….leave, don’t post again….don’t come by under a different screename, nothing. I’d love to issue that challenge to the rest of the girls rooting for the purple pus*ies but that requires testosterone and…well, you know. So James, I like you, always have, so let’s do it. You become a ghost if the Lakers fall….I’ll praise the Lakers and Kobe for a month straight, every day…if they win. What do you think?

    • youngmuggsy Posted: May.31 at 5:35 pm
      Delonte West kept them in the game, Lebron looked like he just didn’t give a sh*t.

    • AR Posted: May.31 at 5:41 pm
      Eboy:You liked James?Dude’s a f*cking idiot.

    • AR Posted: May.31 at 5:44 pm
      Eboy:Doesn’t the bet usually go that if Lakers win you leave and never post again and if Orlando win he leaves and never posts again?

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 5:48 pm
      Numerous points:
      1- LBJ’s postgame is very solid, Myles. He doesn’t call his own plays as far as I know. That’s on Mike Brown.
      2- Kobe has better footwork. Which doesn’t mean that Bron’s footwork is not good. C’mon, Kobe prolly has the best footwork in the L.
      3- Bryan, how is being a better teammate and passer a detriment to his game? He avg 38 in the series while STILL dishing out close to 10 assts. How much points do you want him to score? 50 per?! Has Kobe ever done that?
      4- Saying that Kobe is a better rebounder pound for pound means nothing. So I won’t comment on that.
      5- Saying that Bron doesn’t commend respect in his locker room is dishonest.
      6- Were you saying that Kobe didn’t have a killer instinct every year when he got ousted of the playoffs since the 3-peat?
      7- LASTLY, if Bron doesn’t play like an animal in all of the games except Game 6, that sh!t would have been over in 4 games.
      8- I’m not one of those unconditional haters that said that last year proved that Kobe sucks because the Celtics manhandled them. No, Odom and Pau didn’t show up. People can have preferences but some of the comments are crazy. Saying that the Cavs were overrated doesn’t mean that Bron was overrated. It was very clear after game 1 that they didn’t know what to do with the matchups and that they hadn’t practiced rotating all the way to the corner to protect the 3. SVG exploited that and planted Pietrus there. That’s just some effing great coaching. Z is not a solid 1vs1 defender and you can’t double Dwight because of the shooters. Nice job by Orlando. Cavs need to retool. I’m sorry guys, I just have problems pinning a loss on someone that averaged 38-8-8, regardless of his name.

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 6:00 pm
      The only thing that’s really disappointing from me is how he handled the loss. That’s about the 1st time that he showed his age, really. He didn’t handle it with class and dignity. I hope he’ll make a statement in the upcoming days. Dwight should have been congratulated and he should have answered the media questions. I can’t defend him on that, just hope that he’ll learn from it.

    • jrb Posted: May.31 at 6:02 pm
      Lakers in 6. magic dont have finals experience

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 6:08 pm
      I’ll just post something that Broussard just wrote on ESPN. He’s a professional writer (and a great one at that) so it obviously clearer and more eloquent. We’ve been bamboozled by the 66 wins. : But the scary truth, the elephant in the room, the family secret they had hoped to ignore and keep hidden, was that they were just 3-6 during the regular season against the ultraelite: Boston, Orlando and the Los Angeles Lakers. Those six losses were by an average of 13.8 points, five of them coming by double figures. And that’s not even including the 19-point shellacking the Rockets put on them in Houston. The Cavs’ 66-16 record was a tribute to their hard work, professionalism and the greatness of LeBron. “It wasn’t about a lack of effort,” Cleveland coach Mike Brown said, explaining the loss to the Magic. “It wasn’t about a lack of passion. It wasn’t about a lack of heart. Our guys have that. To accomplish the things that we did, you have to display that the entire year.” What the Cavs lack is elite talent. Oh, they have one elite talent — James, the league MVP and arguably the best player on the globe. But outside of LeBron, who averaged 38.5 points, 8.3 rebounds and 8.0 assists during this series, the Cavaliers are a bunch of role players. Smart, savvy, hard-nosed role players, but role players nonetheless. The Cavs are the only team in the NBA that’s even close to title contention with only one star. The Lakers have Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol and a star-quality talent in Lamar Odom, not to mention the developing Andrew Bynum. The Magic have Dwight Howard, Rashard Lewis and Hedo Turkoglu — the three best players in this series after LeBron — not to mention injured All-Star Jameer Nelson. The Nuggets have Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups. Houston has Yao Ming and Ron Artest (and Tracy McGrady). San Antonio has Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. Boston has Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. The Cavs? The Eastern Conference coaches, a group that places winning above all else, did not vote any of LeBron’s teammates to the All-Star team even though the Cavs had the best record in the league at the time. That tells you what the coaches think of Cleveland’s talent. It was NBA commissioner David Stern, not the coaches, who made Mo Williams an All-Star replacement for Nelson.

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 6:11 pm
      1- Nelson might come back!? What!!! If he can play AJ’s minutes that would be a HUGE boost for Orlando!
      2- S. Brown is getting sued over some sex-related stuff. I smell gold digging. The incident occured when he was still playing for the Bobcats and she’s filing NOW?!
      3- good point, jrb. lakers know what its like to play in the finals. this magic team doesnt… yet.
      4- magic could be scary good for a very long time. every core player is under 30 and nelson, arguably their 2nd best player, wasnt even playing! they just need to find a way to throw a lot of money at hedo this summer.

    • K Posted: May.31 at 6:23 pm
      LA in 5 against Orlando; the Lakers learned their lesson last year (and have Ariza and LO to match up with Turk and Lewis). And 100% agree with Z. I am just in awe that people are actually finding fault with Lebron after this series - have any of these dudes actually been watching the games?!? Kobe is [easily] the most skilled player in basketball, but there’s more to this game than skill, and it’s unfair to say Lebron’s not a great player just because his FG% from the left wing is subpar. Tim Duncan can’t hit free throws, Shaq can’t shoot a jumper, but all this doesn’t mean those guys aren’t some of the greatest players we’ve ever seen.

    • Co Co Posted: May.31 at 6:37 pm
      Eboy the only way for that bet to be fair is if L.A. wins you have to leave and never come back.

    • tizzle Posted: May.31 at 6:42 pm
      Tmac writing the cavs off doesnt seem so stupid now does it…lol Lebron can you see me now! that was a straight up punk move from lebron, walking straight out like that. I used to like lebron before this series, its like the dude never mentally grew up, he acts like a high school kid who was hyped to the whole world and given million dollar sponsorships before he’d ever achieved anything, oh wait….

    • Michael Posted: May.31 at 7:24 pm
      All this series proved is that Mike Brown still sucks as a coach.

    • Michael Posted: May.31 at 7:26 pm
      I don’t buy Nelson coming back. The guy hasn’t played competive basketball in 3 months and you’re going to bring him back in the finals? Thats a disaster waiting to happen.

    • The Seed Posted: May.31 at 7:44 pm
      Lebron vs. Kobe debate is dead, Lebron loss, didn’t play hard and tried to shoot, which is not his game, he has to drive to be an effective superstar and hope for calls. Lebron footwork is bad and he really can’t dribble if you watch the games, thats why everybody says Kobe is a skilled better basketball player. The better passer is dumb, Lebron plays point forward, the triangle offense doesn’t give you alot of assists- ask JOrdan. Also reading some of the posts, people forget Lebron is so great and lovable and cool and smart, but punks out to talk to the Magic and Howard his Olympic teammate, because Howard didn’t role over and give Lebron the game. This is classless, and this to me shows who Lebron is really is, not what the media wants. I believe he is fake, with all these Mo and West on his nuts, but Lebron calls them out on losses, Mo even talked after the game and he guaranteed wins, and played awful. Prince Lebron, left to get on bus and see mom. This is funny, I can’t be a fan of his- and really people if he is so great with teammates, then why did he not show up and talk for his teammates, Lebron is not this great leader as he is portrayed, I am glad it has finally came out.

    • CLydeSays Posted: May.31 at 7:45 pm
      I can understand the emotional part of it, but LeBron leaving without addressing the media is kinda weak. As much as I dislike Kobe, he took a beatdown in the Finals last year and still managed to show up at the press conference (and was actually funny). That’s kind of a slap for Cavs & NBA fans.

    • BRANDON Posted: May.31 at 7:46 pm
      A.I TO CLEVELAND LEBRON NEEDS ANOTHER PUR ESCORED 2 TAKE SOME OF THE WEIGHT OFF HIS HANDS. THE ANSWER CAN DO IT

    • The D Train Posted: May.31 at 7:49 pm
      RE: Michael’s post…you do know he’d be going up against Derek Fisher, right? Even after 3 mos off, he can’t be THAT bad, can he??

    • ENDS Posted: May.31 at 8:01 pm
      I Finally Stopped Celebrating. I hate to say I …. Funny Just A week ago Eboy told me not to think like a fan and use my Basketball mind to see that the Double O could only take Cleveland to 6 Games…Is He Now rooting for the Blu Black And Gray

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 8:02 pm
      Nice to hear from you ENDS.

    • riggs Posted: May.31 at 8:03 pm
      hey james i have NEVER EVER EVER been a lebron james fan, you effin moron. im a celtics and KG fan.

    • ENDS Posted: May.31 at 8:04 pm
      Thats why u Love ur Team with Ur heart

    • ENDS Posted: May.31 at 8:08 pm
      Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:30 am
      ENDS, I don’t think they hate them….but they need to win their next series to really be taken at face value. Otherwise, they’ll still be considered the third best team in the East. They did beat a resilient Celts team but it was a team without their leader and their best bench player so it’s not like they upset them. And it did take them 7 games to do it. But they deserve accolades for getting there.

    • ENDS Posted: May.31 at 8:08 pm
      Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:50 am
      I also think they’ll take the Cavs to six.

    • ENDS Posted: May.31 at 8:09 pm
      Hey E There’s still love we can be Laker Haters This Week.

    • ENDS Posted: May.31 at 8:11 pm
      Plus My Wife and Daughter thought it was funny/Amazing that everybody was waiting for me after that Magic Victory. Thanks 4 the Love…but we aint done…

    • ENDS Posted: May.31 at 8:13 pm
      This City Was Rockin’ Last Night, But Traffic Sucks

    • Bryan Posted: May.31 at 8:15 pm
      How can you say it means nothing about the rebounding? Lebron is built like f*cking Karl Malone and yet rebounds like like gerald wallace. Lebron averages exactly one rebound per game more , per 36 minutes, than kobe does. He averages exactly 1.3 assists more per 36 minutes than kobe does. Lebron has been a full time starter his entire career and those are his averages , kobe sat he bench his entire first 2 seasons and if you subtract those 2 seasons, his numbers look like 27.6 ppg,5.8 rpg.5.1 apg. Pretty f*cking close to the “king”. If lebron is such a great rebounder why has he not averaged 8 a game yet? The only the thing lebron does better is pass the ball period. And why is his passing a detriment? Because delonte west took the last shot and lost them a game, the series may have looked a lot different if lebron took and hit that shot. And he kept going to a cold shooting mo williams no matter how many bricks he threw up when he should have said F*ck it I’m winning this f*cking game and he doesn’t do that consistently. So squawk all you want about what lebron supposedly does better but you’re wrong. The fact is a 6′9 260 pound forward should average more rebounds per game than a 6′6 220 pound guard. And it should be by a larger margin than one per minute, especially when you’re the main rebounder on your team. Kobe has 3 players on his team that get or can get 10 plus rebounds a game. So how many rebounds can he realistically expect to get? Jesus christ I’m so f*cking over this debate and all of your supposed facts. F*ck off. I hate all you bron d*ck riders. I like lebron a lot I really do but people like you make it harder and harder. Get his c*ck out of your mouth and watch the game objectivley. F*ckers.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 8:25 pm
      hahaha someone copied my name lol

    • AR Posted: May.31 at 8:26 pm
      Per 36 minutes?What a load of sh*t.

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.31 at 8:35 pm
      “Its hard for me to congratulate someone after you just lose to them. Im a winner and Im not being a poor sport or anything like that but if someone beats you up, you dont congratulate them on beating you up. That dont make sense to me. Im a competitor and thats what I do. It dont make sense for me to go over and shake somebodies hand.” LeBron James, ladies and gentlemen! The King is above such commonalities as sportsmanship and he is the ONLY competitor in the building! All hail the King!

    • AR Posted: May.31 at 8:41 pm
      When you’ve had ESPN and other mass media talk ad nauseum for years about how many rings you will definitely win and how many rings you definitely deserve and someone has the audacity to beat you,a little(or a lot)sense of immature entitlement is to be expected.Still indefensible,but what do you expect when people have been saying for years that you deserve rings just for being LeBron.

    • Myles Brown Posted: May.31 at 8:44 pm
      Exactly. And thats exactly why I never liked that sh*t.

    • Bryan Posted: May.31 at 8:44 pm
      Silly me for thinking that the rate at which somebody rebounds per minute means nothing about their actual rebounding ability. Especially when someone plays six minutes per game less than the greatest rebounding, passing,defending,scoring teamate and player to ever pick up a basketball. Oh! And best sportsman. My apologies for offending the kings court, off with my head. At least then I won’t have to listen to you assh*les anymore.

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 8:46 pm
      Bryan, the name calling is kinda 10 year-old ish, no? 1- The per 36 is bs. Why go to per 36 when both players play heavy minutes? You just tried to slide it in there. 2- THERE’S A REASON Bron played heavy minutes right from the jump: he was ready. Kobe was not ready when he came to the L. You can’t take Kobe’s firt two years off because he sat on the bench when you compared the two because it penalizes bron who came in the L ready to play. he would have absolutely started on those LA teams. 3- not passing to mo would have resulted in how many more points from him? HE AVERAGED 25 SHOTS A GAME AND YOU’RE SAYING THAT HE PASSED TOO MUCH!? Mo’s shooting got them to 66-wins, there is no way the Cavs can beat Orlando without a sidekick. You go with what got you there. 4- Delonte was wide open on that shot and he had hit one seconds prior to that. That was a great look. You can argue that your best player has to take every last shot. That’s debatable. I’d argue that your best player has to manufacture a great look at the end of games. And didnt he hit a game winner in that series too? 5- Kobe was the best player in the league from 05 to 08. Before that it was Duncan, before that it was Shaq, before that it was MJ, in-between MJ’s titles it was Hakeem. Things change. Now it’s Bron, even though his team fell short this year. It’s not blasphemous, it’s not outrageous and it has nothing to do with their personalities or characters. Style and grace and fluidity are pleasing on the eyes but change absolutely nothing to the game. I’m very much heterosexual and I have no vendetta againt Kobe. You’d like to think that I do, but I don’t. I call it how I see it.

    • WhaHuh Posted: May.31 at 8:48 pm
      This is pathetic now, you cant deny LeBrons rebounding and assist numbers. I noticed Eboy didnt offer to leave the site if he lost the bet, he’s addicted

    • tylerbouts Posted: May.31 at 8:51 pm
      lebron a sore loser, not congratulating any of the magics!!! if kobe did that, punks in here would be all over his ass for that…why does lebron get a pass??!!

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 8:51 pm
      Bryan, dead that sh!t. You’re being the assh*le, right now. If it’s getting you so hot and bothered, then stop commenting. / Per36 is used when you want to see how a guy with limited burn would perform if he was getting starters’ minutes. And get you facts straight, Bron played 1,5 more minutes (not 6) this year and had 2,5 more rebounds.

    • Bryan Posted: May.31 at 8:55 pm
      You know you’re right I think I will stop. I can’t stand any of you people.

    • The Seed Posted: May.31 at 8:56 pm
      Bryan I understand your logic, Kobe did not play his first two years, because the Lakers had established stars, scott, jones, excel, fox and the coach didn’t like Kobe. Z, Imagine Kobe going to Cavs with no players, he would have average over 20 a game and put on a show. Kobe has always had a high IQ, thats why he didn’t understand Shaq not getting in shape and working on his game. Lebron is suppose to rebound he is a SF and Kobe has more bigs and the assists-passer is dumb, Kobe Plays in a triangle offense-ask JOrdan. Kobe numbers a similar to Jordan in rebounding and assists.

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 9:14 pm
      Bryan, do us a favor and stand true to those words. E-beef is the gayest thing ever./ The Seed, Bron would have started on those teams. You mean to tell me that the 03 LeBron would have played behind Rick Fox, Eddie Jones and Cedric Ceballos? Get real / Bron is a better passer, it has nothing to do with the system. The Lakers play the triangle less and less these days. He looks out for cutters more. That’s how he plays, his court vision is off the charts for a wing. He would get those dimes even in LA, even in the triangle. / I’m off.

    • James the balla Posted: May.31 at 9:22 pm
      Bryan and Brown lol, those were money posts!! @ Z, yeah maybe, depending on the coach. Check be easy out. he could start on any team but he doesn’t. Yall hate on Kobe, so you leave the door open for us to hate on Bron. You can look it up online, pictures of Dwight and Bron standing next to each other, they are almost identical in size, Bron has bigger legs. And Dwight gets 7 more rebounds … defensive rebounds don’t mean sh1t anyways. They are mostly given. Kobe and Bron avg. the exact same ammount of Offensive boards …

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 9:33 pm
      Lol, now you’re gonna discredit defensive rebounds as well? Ahahahah. Okay, you’ve made my day. Why would you compare a big and a wing for rebounding numbers? Dwight is down low all the time and he’s the best rebounder in the L! Bron is a better rebounder than Kob and he has great rebounding numbers even if you compare him to the SF’s in the league. Mind you that SG and SF is kinda semantics as both do about the same thing in most offenses. there’s really three positions in basketball: point, wing, big. / I’ll be the first one to admit that Kob has been the best in the L for the last 3 years. Time goes by. He’s still a killer and his team has a great chance of winning the title. He doesn’t have to be number 1 in the L for that to happen. It’s like hockey: everybody knows Ovechkin is the best in the league even though he hasn’t won yet. / I don’t hate on Kobe, unless hating on Kobe is saying that he’s the 2nd best player in the league. Why do you need to be a hater if you don’t think he’s the best out there?

    • BostonBaller Posted: May.31 at 9:34 pm
      James does not get a pass on this and no excuses will be accepted. If My team can be gracious in defeat and say “we were beat” then why can’t he? I don’t want to hear that his team let him down or that they are no good b/c they had the best record overall and James is the MVP. You could see his heart being ripped out during the 4th qtr and he couldn’t do anything about it offensively so he started passing more. I believe he did this so his teammates would be looked at more than him. James is a Beast but he is a stat whore and now he is fishing in a river in Ohio somewhere.

    • BostonBaller Posted: May.31 at 9:40 pm
      Kobe and LeBron = 1a & 1b depending on your preference at the moment. I personally would take Kobe on most nights but that’s me. 1a & 1b, why fight an unwinnable fight? Flip a coin.

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 10:00 pm
      a stat whore, really? fans love to seek hidden agendas. he wanted to win that game like he wanted to win all of the games of that series. he didn’t pass to teammates because he couldnt take the heat. i dont think you even believe that for real. you dont want to hear that his team let him down… even though his team let him down? Pau and Lamar let Kobe down last year vs the Celts. Mo played atrocious ball and let Bron down this year. they had the best overall record but had a very poor record against the nba elite. fact.

    • Z Posted: May.31 at 10:00 pm
      the new fad now is saying that bron shouldn’t get a pass on this and that. well is he? slam is not giving him a pass, espn is not giving him a pass, the commenters here are not giving him a pass. so who’s giving him that proverbial pass that needs to be rectified by the commenters here?

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: May.31 at 10:05 pm
      I think really, its still too early with LeBron. People are starting to forget all that Kobe has done in his career. Don’t get me wrong: LeBron was monstrous this series. Before game 6 he averaged what, 42 ppg? That is NOT easy to do, in case any of you LeBron bashers noticed. And if you think its his fault for losing the series, you seriously need a reality check.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: May.31 at 10:09 pm
      Anyways, back to the point: Kobe has been around for a while and has proved himself time after time to be one of the GREATEST EVER. Comparing their two careers is not proper right now, because LeBron hasn’t been here long enough.
      Let’s put it this way: If Kobe were to retire now, he’d be a bonafide Hall-of-famer.
      If LeBron were to retire now, he’d be dancing that line between in or out??… I h@te to bring this up, but look at Bernard King. The man had the potential to be in the top 20 greatest players of all time. But his career was cut short due to injury. Now look at him? Most people barely give him the respect he deserves!
      LeBron hasn’t passed that point yet, where, if he retires, he’s going to get the guaranteed props. If he were to retire early like Bernard King, they’d be in the same position.
      Now, obviously, to some (me), Bernard King is a bonafide legend, and a personal favorite. Its just the way things are. You HAVE to stick around long enough to be “certified”.

    • Mooch Posted: May.31 at 10:12 pm
      The 07 Lakers started a trend that continues into these playoffs - quitting in game 6 with everything on the line. Lakers quit last year and embarassed themselves, Nuggets and Cavs this year. As for LBJ, he was brilliant, but as a self coronated King, he can’t go out quietly like that. Game 6 overshadows his great series.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: May.31 at 10:25 pm
      Not to you, Mooch:
      Kobe and LeBron bashers are MAD annoying. They are what they are, so calm down!

    • NBA China Posted: May.31 at 10:43 pm
      Are you freakin kiddin me…
      LeBronx: “It’s hard for me to congratulate somebody after you just lose to them,” he said. “I’m a winner. It’s not being a poor sport or anything like that. If somebody beats you up, you’re not going to congratulate them. That doesn’t make sense to me. I’m a competitor. That’s what I do. It doesn’t make sense for me to go over and shake somebody’s hand.”

    • ENDS Posted: May.31 at 11:18 pm
      No Pass on The Sore Loser Thing. Skip and House slapped each other and they Shook hands at the end of the series

    • The Truth Posted: May.31 at 11:22 pm
      I’ve heard a few people say LeBron choked, had a bad game or whatever. He did not choke, How can 25 points even be considered choking in a game. It was just less thatn his past games. He needed his teammates most Game 6, he had carried them through the series, he expected them to step up. LeBron did his part, his temmates definealtly didn’t do theirs and now the Magio are skippen all the way to the Finals. So, I dont wanna hear he choked, i tihnk its impossibe, for one man to carry his team, and score 50 night in and night out through a 7 game series.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 11:27 pm
      LeD!ck!!

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 11:27 pm
      He just keeps shoveling…

    • AlbertBarr Posted: May.31 at 11:29 pm
      His press conference quote trying to defend his snubbery is the icing on the d@uche bag cake.

    • Darksaber Posted: May.31 at 11:38 pm
      That quote was unbelievable. Oh well, back to media sensitivity training you go.

    • Joey E. Posted: May.31 at 11:39 pm
      Watch, LeBron is still gonna get Finals MVP for being so “Godly”

    • Darksaber Posted: May.31 at 11:43 pm
      Eboy’s challenge to James was met with uncharacteristic silence from “the baller”. Might the unshakeable confidence he always displays in his team be standing on wobbly legs? (and Eboy, c’mon, you gotta make that Bet fair, i agree with CoCo on that)

    • Anton Posted: May.31 at 11:52 pm
      LeBryan is sore from having a black mamba up his ass.

    • ENDS Posted: Jun.1 at 12:14 am
      Finally Found A site where I could Feell good To See my Name in Blue Letters.

    • Zee!! Posted: Jun.1 at 12:20 am
      Damn…..to everything. Thursday can’t get here soon enough. Hedo will be exposed on defense, as will Rashard if he has to guard Odom (provided he doesn’t go space cadet). Gasol will get the business unless they figure out a way to get him into foul trouble, shouldn’t be too hard. I think Orlando is really caught up in the moment, where the Lakers look like they could’ve cared less about that western conf trophy. Oddly enough, that may mean thay they come into the series carefree, and hungry. Does that mean they’ll be taken lightly? of course not. But, SVG is due to have a breakdown, just like George Karl did towards the end of the WCF. It’s a matter of time. The Lakers brass need to fly Shaq in for a game or two and sit him directly behind the Magic bench. That sh** would be where amazing happens.

    • Zee!! Posted: Jun.1 at 12:22 am
      *figure out how to get Dwight in foul trouble.

    • Zee!! Posted: Jun.1 at 12:22 am
      And Steve Smith just said Lamar is “long with length” wow.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Jun.1 at 12:37 am
      @ Z: Many people would disagree with you and say that Sidney Crosby is the best. Just saying.

    • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Jun.1 at 12:39 am
      About your hockey post, anyways. I haven’t followed hockey in a while, though. The Maple Leafs haven’t been too good in a while =(. I also like the Rangers and the Islanders… You know, Toronto and New York teams.
      I digress… back to basketball. Read what I wrote about the careers of LeBron and Kobe, which I’m pretty sure you shouldn’t have a problem with.
      Look with LeBron and Kobe, its pretty darn even. You could make arguments for both being the best, it just comes down to preference.

    • Nashty Posted: Jun.1 at 1:40 am
      Kobe will not lose this Finals. Lakers in 5.

    • bill breedley Posted: Jun.1 at 1:41 am
      CB24 says “Kobe can’t average 30-8-8 in a 6 game series even if he tried”he probably can’t. he can lead his team to the NBA finals two times in a row instead of stat stuffing. Kobe also can’t crab dribble and make shots off obvious charging fouls to the basket. to the basket enough kobe vs lebron debates. debates should be reserved for the real legit stars of the league. let the Superman vs Mamba debates begin.

    • doyouwantmore Posted: Jun.1 at 1:56 am
      Pretty funny watching Lebron talking to the press and addressing the accusations of being a sore loser. He says “I’m not a sore loser or anything. I just didn’t want to congratulate someone who just finished beating me.” Umm…Lebron? That’s called being a sore loser. I guess they teach that in college.

    • bill breedley Posted: Jun.1 at 2:43 am
      only way bron gets a ring is to be Superman’s Krypto.

    • Dacre Posted: Jun.1 at 3:19 am
      I wouldn’t get too carried away by all this - roster tweaking is part and parcel with getting over the hump. Orlando made some GREAT adjustments to prepare for Boston and Cleveland as these two teams were the ONLY sure-fire teams in their road to getting to the finals this year, and their adjustments worked - If it was the other way around, we’d be pining for Orlando to get hold of “proper” Power Forwards and expounding how much money was ‘wasted’ on R. Lewis’ services… The same principle can apply going forward for Cleveland next year, get Varejo back to the bench, replace Gibson and Wally world for long perimeter defenders, for the love of all things right, either get Ben Wallace psyched again to play some serious D and hope Z doesn’t age too much this off season… the window is officially under scrutiny.

    • Anton Posted: Jun.1 at 3:45 am
      sex

    • Jose Posted: Jun.1 at 3:53 am
      Lebron James walking out and not shaking anybody’s hands? Not good.

    • Joey E. Posted: Jun.1 at 4:04 am
      oh wow, NBA Finals = JJ Redick vs. Adam Morrison <3 dream match

    • Freedom Fries Posted: Jun.1 at 5:24 am
      How much further will the dollar plummet when the Chinese investors back out of Cleveland once Lebron moves to a team with a future? I’m looking at you Danny Ferry, the US greenback has to stop being the Bush-Peso and pissing off our economically strong Asian friends isn’t helping any.

    • madamerica Posted: Jun.1 at 5:37 am
      David Aldridge scolds Lebron for his poor sportsmanship: http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/05/31/aldridge.james/index.html

    • Bigi Posted: Jun.1 at 6:04 am
      Thursday feels like million years away…Something else to talk about…By the way cover Jinx strikes again,sort of…

    • ABIMATOR Posted: Jun.1 at 6:33 am
      The Magic will beat down the Lakers, or even sweep them I believe…
      Lebron is way much overhyped, I was sure he’ll not make the final this year, I thaught the same about the Lakers but Pau Gasol Stepped up his game against the Nuggs and that why they get to the finals…
      I completely dislike KB, but I think at this point, if I had 2 choose, i’ll take him over Lebron, it’s not much about bball skills, it’s about attitude, maturity and mindset and at this point, Lebron can’t compare

    • Bigi Posted: Jun.1 at 7:44 am
      This ABIMATOR dude makes no sence to me…Magic sweepin’ the Lakers?Pau Gasol the reason why the Lakeshow is in the Finals??(not dissin’ Pau I love him and all..)

    • dutch Rob Posted: Jun.1 at 7:58 am
      LBJ was a bit of a sore loser indeed in this game, but i can’t blame em. He did so much for the cavs in this series and still it wasnt enough.

    • Eboy Posted: Jun.1 at 8:32 am
      Just for the record……if it was the Heat and Lakers in the Finals, I’d have no problem making that bet., you know, ’cause that’s my team. But why put my self on the line for something that means little to me. This obviously is like a precum festival for James, so the larger onus should be on him. Sorry. Besides, praising the Lakers for a month is going to be extremely difficult since I could probably end my entire praise knowledge of them in about 3 sentences.

    • Eboy Posted: Jun.1 at 8:35 am
      And not be a sh*t stirrer or anything (yeah right) but two things about Lebron’s poor sportsmanship 1) at least he didn’t hysterically cry like a certain wingman in LA when he lost the 2004 Finals and 2)during that same tearfilled Finals loss, there was no sportsmanship between the Lakers and the Pistons, well at least from the top 4 players on that squad (Lakers fans should remember them). Go back and watch the tapes or whatever it is you kiddies do today to verify this.

    • Eboy Posted: Jun.1 at 8:45 am
      Oh, and I think Kobe was 25 or 26 at the time, so don’t spout off about that childish behavior from Lebron, it doesn’t just apply to young guys (poor sportsmanship)on this young guy only. I think Isiah Thomas and the rest of the Pistons that walked out without congratulations when the Bulls finally whipped that ass in ‘90-91 were all in their early 30’s.

    • Eboy Posted: Jun.1 at 8:50 am
      And in all those cases, the guys should have offered token congratulations.

    • Freedom Fries Posted: Jun.1 at 8:51 am
      I dunno, in my mind there’s not a thing wrong with Lebron’s reaction. He worked hard, he plays hard, he takes it hard. I mean imagine the flipside where he acts like it doesn’t matter to him. He’s upset – understandably so – and didn’t feel like saying something he’d regret or break down on TV. For better or for worse he has been forced onto this pedestal all year, allow the youngun to step down off it on his own terms – yes immature (so what), yes emotional (thank god) and yes young (he’s still got time).

    • Freedom Fries Posted: Jun.1 at 8:54 am
      Yeah it’s better to be a “big man” and take it well, but can anyone really blame the guy? Cripes. You telling me every one of you has always acted like a perfect ambassador under any/all circumstances? Can’t he be human right now - and more importantly, would allowing him a moment to be human (and to err) be entirely out of the question? WTF kids

    • riggs Posted: Jun.1 at 9:23 am
      bullsh*t freedom fries. not even a handshake to dwight (who are friends btw)not even a pat on the back?, if it was JUST to dwight and he had left then it wouldnt been taken as serious tbh.

    • truthteller Posted: Jun.1 at 9:37 am
      All the LeBron supporters should take a look at this. Maybe, it might knock a little sense into you and maybe him as well. http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/05/31/aldridge.james/index.html

    • Freedom Fries Posted: Jun.1 at 9:38 am
      Listen, I didn’t see it – only heard the media frenzy/fallout. But check it, if you were on the winning side and got “snubbed” by a friend, couldn’t you cut a *friend* some slack? I bet anything that after the fact he called his boy up to congratulate him – if he couldn’t muster the balls for this - then ok he’s a true douche.

    • Myles Brown Posted: Jun.1 at 9:46 am
      Muy pequeno.

    • Logan Posted: Jun.1 at 9:51 am
      @erich
      Fact 1 - Lebrons stats are a beast
      Fact 2 - despite those stellar stats, he is on the losing side
      Fact 3 - If it were anyone else but Lebron, people would be jumping on that person for either shooting too much to too little, giving up etc etc. He gets a free pass from a lot of blame
      Fact 4 - This is the same team that won 66 games in the regular season. Suddenly they are inadequate?

    • hillbilly Posted: Jun.1 at 10:27 am
      Now that the Cavs don’t have to worry about being the ‘anointed ones’ any longer, LeBruised Ego & the Bronettes can finally focus on the really important things…like coming up with some fresh pantomime routines for next season.

    • Z Posted: Jun.1 at 10:37 am
      WHERE’S THE PROVERBIAL FREE PASS THAT EVERYONE CLAIMING LEBRON HAS? There are articles on SLAM, NBA.com and ESPN saying that he’s a poor sport. Commenters are here every day saying that he’s overhyped. One day he passes too much, one day he shoots too much. How is he getting a free pass? What exactly is a freaking free pass?

    • Z Posted: Jun.1 at 10:40 am
      There seems to be a trend now claiming that Kobe catches all the heat and Bron gets all the love. That might have been true 2-3 years ago but ever since there has been a real debate about who’s 1a and 1b, they have BOTH become very polarizing figure. I mean, look at the threads, can you honestly say that Bron doesn’t get sh!tted on as much as Kob?

    • Scruffz Posted: Jun.1 at 10:41 am
      I’m still waiting for people to start giving Dwight Howard some credit, as opposed to just saying the Cavs choked. Think about it like this. LeBron is an amazing player no doubt, but take him out of the Cavs equation, and you can probably come up with at least 10 other guys who could fill in that spot and still keep the Cavs in contention. I’m not saying 60+ wins, but still a playoff spot. Take Howard away from the Magic, and can you honestly think of 10 centers that would be able to dominate the way he has?

    • Eboy Posted: Jun.1 at 10:46 am
      Z, you are too smart for the rest of the written press. SLAM’s main man has already spoke in terms of kind of catering the mag and most of it’s content to it’s biggest potnetial demographic, 14 to 16 year olds. It’s a way to keep things poppin’ on the Kobe/Lebron fued front. Also, when you get a lecture from a random SLAM writer in the future for voicing your opinion, remember that they think they are having a discussion with a teen, so take it for what it is.

    • Z Posted: Jun.1 at 10:47 am
      Barkley summed it up the best: what is really remarkable about this Cavs team is that they came up with 66 wins. Read Broussard’s paper on ESPN. Take away the superstar of the last 4 standing teams and the Cavs have the least talent, by far. This was an overachieving team that got exposed. Undersized wings, aging bigs, full of one-trick ponies.

    • Eboy Posted: Jun.1 at 10:47 am
      *potential

    • The Seed Posted: Jun.1 at 10:49 am
      For all of yall saying nothing is wrong with Lebron reaction, go to this link please: MSNBC has a poll going on who is “Whiner of the Week” and as we all WITNESSED by far Lebron the KING in this category. GO VOTE! http://www.newsvine .com/_question/2009/ 05/31/2883127-who-is -the-whiner-of-the-w eek?category=sports

    • The Seed Posted: Jun.1 at 10:52 am
      This link works, see what America is voting about the King and what WITNESSED!!! http://www.newsvine.com/_question/2009/05/31/2883127-who-is-the-whiner-of-the-week?category=sports

    • The Seed Posted: Jun.1 at 10:58 am
      Z, Chris Broussard, picked the Cavs to win the championship, now he is writing articles, where they have no talent Funny, Its neat when the King losses, no talent. Chris article was not that good, almost like he was saying Lebron is not the problem its the players. The Leader is Lebron, when he was not dancing, taking pictures and walking around with his shirt off, he could have been getting his teammates together with his great leadership, ( but left his teammates to talk about the game, so he could stragtize with his mom about what he needs to say to look like a great teammate and person-SAD)Howard even it sees it now and America, when my link is done awaiting moderation, the King is getting his just due in Americas opinion court.

    • Z Posted: Jun.1 at 11:14 am
      did you even take the time to digest his arguments? the fact that he picked them to win has no bearing on his latest article. a lot of people picked LA to win last year and then realized that their bigs were soft. the assessment wasn’t less right because of it. / all that sh!t you’re talking about the dancing, the pictures is just noise. it’s irrelevant to what happens on the court. dwight is known for his dances and imitations and it doesn’t change a thing to his game. / i’m done reponding to your comments, the seed. you’re intellectually dishonest. cleveland has the least talent of the last four teams and you know it. reg season record is made by beating the torontos and milwaukees and is good for home court advantage in the playoffs but then it’s about the match ups. cleveland had very bad match ups againt orlando. i’m not blaming lebron for the lost because he balled his a– out for 44 mins a game and posted 38.5, 8.5 and 8. i wouldn’t blast ANYBODY (not kob, not wade) that played like that in a series. a lot of the commenters here get hard ons when kobe or bron doesn’t win. i don’t roll like that. it doesn’t make sense to me to criticize his play when he’s about the only one that played well for his team. / again, i’ll ask : why do a lot of people feel the need to sh!t on kob to appreciate bron or vice-versa?

    • nate the great Posted: Jun.1 at 11:21 am
      for every player that has shaken his hand or one-arm hugged him after he beat them, LeBron owes that same courtesy.

    • The Seed Posted: Jun.1 at 11:22 am
      Lebron, did this to himself, I have read articles Z, where they blast Lebron, but you know ESPN, is going to have some great articles about Lebron play, stats and numbers mean nothing, if you team losses. this is real life, not NBAK29. Have you thought maybe Lebron hurt his teammates by not getting them inovlved only on 3 point shots after he drives and Lebron never set picks to be so big so Delonte or Mo arent’ always doing one on one stuff trying to score. The dancing and picture taking is stupid, who does that, to me that drives other teams to play their best against you and Lebron has been type cast now into it, Howard team does not do all this. Howard smiles on the court not dancing during games, when up and hitting fake balls, Lebron is a talent, but he is becoming a product of what people want him to be-King- I rather call him Prince James- the Stats guru, until he gets a chip and just because you have the ball and average 41 8 8 makes you, not have teammates, maybe this was Lebron problem, he is a passer, and I when I watch him play when he scors alot the Cavs are more beatable. He average more points against Orlando, than the other 2 teams and lost.

    • Myles Brown Posted: Jun.1 at 11:25 am
      For the record, he did the same thing last year to the Celtics and when they lost to the Spurs. That constitutes a pattern, if his comments yesterday didnt already let everyone know how he feels about sportsmanship. Yes, youre a competitor. In a league of approximately 300 others. Congratulations. If he keeps this sh*t up, I just hope when he does become a “winner” that its a road game where the opposition and the entire crowd can just walk out on him. Muy pequeno.

    • Myles Brown Posted: Jun.1 at 11:28 am
      Oh, and one more thing. Please take it into consideration that he was not only being a poor sport, but a bad teammate by leaving the other Cavailers to face the media by themselves after Game 6. That doesnt mean hes a bad teammate overall, because he isnt, but that was still pretty bad.

    • truthteller Posted: Jun.1 at 11:29 am
      Z,
      I think what the seed is trying to say is that, we overrated the Cavs. They really weren’t hat good and we either didn’t see it or refused to accept it. The media and the public all went haywire when the Cavs whooped up on the Pistons and the Hawks like those two teams were really great teams! And just like the Lakers weren’t challenged until the NBA finals, the Cavs weren’t challenged until they played the Magic. The cavs were not a great team this year. They were OVERRATED and the Magic proved it. I think that’s what The seed was trying to tell you.

    • cb 34 Posted: Jun.1 at 11:29 am
      z: It’s difficult to get through to these kobe fans. They get irrational when it comes to bron and kob. At least ben might be retiring. Cavs have a lot of tweaking to do over the summer.

    • AlbertBarr Posted: Jun.1 at 11:30 am
      Even KG shakes hands after games an I think he is a classless piece of sh!t. (Just had to throw a random KG insult in here)

    • nate the great Posted: Jun.1 at 11:37 am
      screw the cavs and the lakers.
      i dont think lebron or kobe is the best, i dont think either team is that good.
      why do we always talk about these two?
      dwade is better than kobe! by far.
      and if rings matter dwade is better than lebron also.
      why cant we add in WADE!
      dwade is my fav. by far!

    • cb 34 Posted: Jun.1 at 11:46 am
      Myles you’re full of it. Bron didn’t do that against the spurs or celts.Dude was mad and frustrated. He emailed dwight to congratulate him like the espn article said so get over it. I’m sure dwight didn’t even care.

    • Z Posted: Jun.1 at 11:49 am
      cleveland suddenly has A LOT of moolah to throw at players with ben (15m), wally (14m), eric snow and andy v coming off the books. z has an expiring contract so he can be dealt as well. kidd, bosh, stoudemire, jamal crawford, ariza, turkoglu(!), artest, booz, okur could all be had for the right price. cleveland can’t afford to wait, they have to retool NOW to keep bron.

    • Myles Brown Posted: Jun.1 at 11:52 am
      Actually he did. You know they tape these games right? Oh and forgive me, he actually did give one Spurs player dap after that loss, but it was only cause Bruce Bowen was standing right in front of their bench.

    • cb 34 Posted: Jun.1 at 11:55 am
      I want bron to bolt for ny. That would be incredible playing for mike d’antoni. Dude will average a triple double or very very close to it. I can’t imagine him leaving if they win next year though. If they lose again he’s out.

    • cb 34 Posted: Jun.1 at 11:59 am
      Z: wally’s got to go. Pavlovic does so much more. I’m pretty sure they’ll re-sigh andy. If snow is coming off the books, that’s another 7m right? How much does z make?

    • Z Posted: Jun.1 at 11:59 am
      truthteller, and i would agree! i overrated the cavs as well. but how can bron be overrated when he merely dominated one of the best defense in the league? he gave pietrus the business for almost 40 per and people were congratulating pietrus for his d because he made bron work for his, that’s how good he was. he effin came through against orlando. / the seed, you obviously don’t know much about basketball. you start by saying that he hurts his teammates by not getting them involved and you finish by saying that his problem is that he is a passer. / myles, lebron should have talked to the media after the game. he’s a sore loser, not a bad teammate. he made a mistake. ok.

    • breeze Posted: Jun.1 at 12:12 pm
      i agree.its not lebron fault.i personally dont think its too much his team fault because they been playing teh same all year its just that they where just not good enough for the magic.. match up problems certainly..lebron after game emotions doesnt concern me…it just shows youth and room for growth where i think he will be just fine…

    • wayno Posted: Jun.1 at 12:37 pm
      What LeBronze was a total girl about losing…no handshake? No media? This guy is supposed to be the face of the league right now, and he’s turning into a cry baby more and more. I don’t care what people say about his teammates not coming through or whatever. He didn’t show very much trust in them to begin with in this series. This is the best supporting cast LeBron has EVER had and one of the best in the league. They would have been a 40-45 win team w/o LBJ easily. LeBron’s lack of leadership was exposed in this series. I definitely witnessed something though…

    • truthteller Posted: Jun.1 at 1:12 pm
      Z,
      LeBron did do his thing against the Magic and the rest of the team didn’t. Imagine if this had been Kobe? We would have called him “ballhog”, “selfish”, “bad teammate”, you know, all the crap you haters say about him. but now it’s LeBron and it’s all of a sudden, “not his fault”, “he needs help”, “Competitor”. Don’t you think there’s a double standard just a bit. Everyone’s so quick to rush to LeBron’s defense but nobody else? Think about that one Z.

    • Z Posted: Jun.1 at 1:45 pm
      truthteller, the thing is… everyone is NOT so quick to rush to his defense. i’m not seeing that free pass. i don’t know how you could watch bron play and call him a ballhog and selfish. some commenters need to make up their minds, how can bron pass too much and be a ballhog at the same time?! am i supposed to bash him because others would have bashed kobe in the same situation? that doesn’t make sense to me. it’s not a valid argument. and kobe was never accused of getting his teammates involved too much during his prime scoring years (we can all agree on that!) so i don’t know if there’s a direct comparison to be made. i look at his performance against the magic at face value and, quite frankly, i just don’t have much to complain about except the TOs in game 4. the better team won but he balled out of control againt orlando, end of. i don’t give a rat’s a– about the postgame antics, yeah he’s a sore loser, he should have handled it better. oh well. this story won’t have legs in 2 days, it’s not that big of a deal and i think that the writers are more outraged than the players themselves.

    • truthteller Posted: Jun.1 at 1:55 pm
      Z,
      You’ve got to be kidding me! Before the Lakers picked up Pau, everybody on that roster played the same way the cavs are being accused of playing this year. if you watched the Lakers those seasons, whenver Kobe tried ot involve the team and they fell off, the media claimed that Kobe was “contained”, or “he gave up” and when he decied to take over, “ball hog” selfish” So, no we all cannot agree on that. Kobe has always been in this catch-22 that all of a sudden you claim that LeBron is in now. And for the free pass, yes, the media is attacking him but people in the same media are defending him as well! Open your eyes and stop acting like you can’t see what’s been going on.

    • theonr Posted: Jun.1 at 1:56 pm
      This is what happens when someone gets anointed as the savior before he actually has earned that title. LeBron walking off the court and not shaking hands with the Magic was immature. He was anointed when he came into the league and has this attitude that he walks on water. This has all gone to his head. His explanation later is weak, very weak. They should change his name from King James to Whinny Little Princess.

    • theonr Posted: Jun.1 at 1:59 pm
      Kobe Bryant is public Enemy #1 and LeBron James is the people’s champ! He can do no wrong!

    • The Seed Posted: Jun.1 at 1:59 pm
      Z, Howard was outraged by it, even said he talked to his teammates about it. Lebron sent an email after, his mom told him too-funny stuff from this cat. Lebron is showing his true colors, he is getting to pumpled up by the media and you can tell in the way he talks-alot of people will be rooting against him now, because of this. check my 10:52am post with the LINK, people are tired of this King mess, and Chosen one, were I come from you earn this not given, then leave his scrub teammates to talk for him like Mo and West and his Coach, great teammate alright also he controlled the ball too much, you have never played with a great baller who did everything and you lose, I have and you alwasy feel that you got left out-I know his teammates feel this way. they just don’t want to be traded from the Cavs. He is controlling the ball, he needs a post game then get doubled and past out. Lebron is classless to me and fake to me, from all the conversations and the one he had today is classic. I am a winner, You get beat up, you don’t shake there hand. In boxing they do-funny stuff again from this guy.

    • Z Posted: Jun.1 at 2:10 pm
      ”you alwasy feel that you got left out-I know his teammates feel this way. they just don’t want to be traded from the Cavs.” well if you know that, there’s not much left to argue. i’m out.

    • Allenp Posted: Jun.1 at 6:04 pm
      I hope everybody turns against Lebron.
      That will make it easier for me to cheer for him.

    • Dacre Posted: Jun.1 at 9:25 pm
      LeBron acted very…’jackass-esque’ this week.

    • Dacre Posted: Jun.1 at 9:30 pm
      Russ Bengston must have a witty one-liner in this thread here somewhere, I just haven’t found it yet - what with all the LeBron -vs- Kobe nonsense.

    • Darksaber Posted: Jun.2 at 1:57 am
      Is Ryan Jones also sulking at his Mom’s crib? Where IS RJ during all this Bron-Bashing?

    • beto Posted: Jun.9 at 7:31 pm
      go lakers they will win the finals this year.

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