Monday, May 18th, 2009 at 3:45 am  |  252 responses

Lakers/Rox Game 7 Recap

Hyde a no-show as Jekyll returns to Lakers.

by Graham Flashner

All week long, the media types have been probing the Lakers’ collective psyche like Grissom examining a body on CSI. (OK, so Grissom’s off the show, but you get the idea). After two unconscionably bad games in Houston, the Lakers’ maturity, their heart, and their desire (but never their talent) was under more scrutiny than A-Rod’s Dominican cousin.

No one could fathom how an undermanned Rockets team could push the Lakers to an elimination game, but it’s not like the Lakers haven’t done this sort of thing already. The 2000 team blew a 3-1 series lead to Portland and had to rally from a 15-point deficit in the fourth quarter of Game 7 to make it to the Finals. In the 2001 Finals, they lost to the Pacers by 33 in a close-out game. In 2002, it took a lucky bounce and Robert Horry’s buzzer-beater to keep from going down 3-1 to Sacramento. All those Lakers teams won championships.

The difference with this team is that something still seems to be lacking at a fundamental level. Call it leadership, call it maturity. The three-peat Lakers of ‘00-02 had the kind of veteran leadership, with Horry, Rick Fox, Brian Shaw, and Ron Harper – that this team simply doesn’t. As brilliant as Kobe Bryant is as a player, his leadership has always been suspect. He’s as apt to whine at the refs, scowl at his teammates, and force up shots as he is to take over games and facilitate.

In the ugly Game 4 and Game 6 losses, Kobe did nothing to stem the tide. Not that it was all on him – his younger teammates, like they did in Boston last year, struggled to keep their poise and find their shots. Phil Jackson’s laid-back style of coaching, encouraging players to work through bad patches on their own, doesn’t necessarily work with this group.

Pregame

Some comforting thoughts for Lakers fans looking for historical precedents before the game:

Rick Adelman had never beaten the Lakers in a playoff series.

The Lakers were 12 for 13 of their last Game 7s.

In Lakers-Rockets playoff history, the winner of the series had gone to the NBA Finals a total of four times.

Discomforting thought:

The four teams that went to the Finals—the Rockets in ’81 and ’86; the Lakers in ’84 and ’91 – all lost.

Arriving at Staples, I check the press seating list, and am grateful for the cachet that SLAM carries at Staples. Sixty-two reporters are slotted in the upper press boxes, the ones closest to God. I am one of the fortunate ones slotted downstairs, closest to the Laker Girls and Jack. SLAM, praise be thy name.

If there’s any palpable tension in the locker room, it’s from the two dozen or so reporters milling about. The Lakers are masters of evasion on this day. At a certain point, there’s nothing more left to be said. Either you win or you don’t. Trevor Ariza, Lamar Odom, and Jordan Farmer pop their heads in, but don’t stick around to answer questions. They look loose.

On the Rockets side, I catch a quick comment from Ron Artest – “We have enough confidence that we don’t need to worry about luck” – before he, too, runs out.

Phil Jackson’s press conference begins with a reporter asking him if he’s nervous. “Sure I am,” he says. “Should be nervous on a day like this.”

Did he sleep well last night? “Yes.” Asked if he felt like he’s been on top of his game lately, he shrugs amicably and deadpans, “”I don’t know what else I could do. My shot is not falling. My three-point shot is limited. I’m worried.”

Clearly, he wasn’t. It’s what makes him so irritating at times. Nothing seems to faze Jackson or the Lakers. This time, they had the last laugh. Next time, maybe not so lucky.

I find one player in the Lakers locker room hanging at his locker, willing to talk. It’s Sasha Vujacic. Sasha, too, doesn’t seem worried. He claims that Phil has given the team inspirational words, but won’t divulge them. “We have to take care of the present and continue our journey.”

“We are mature enough as a team- if we play up to our level, we have nothing to worry about.”

Back on the Rockets side, it’s pin-drop quiet. Too quiet. Shane Battier is stretching, a couple of other guys sit at their lockers. For a team thriving on its underdog role and claiming to feel no pressure, they sure do seem quiet.

I find Luis Scola. I want to know how the Rockets can avoid a repeat of their Game 5 debacle.

“We just have to play hard, stick to the game plan, stay focused, and make it to the last quarter still in the game. If we can do that, the pressure will be on them. If we let them get 10, 15 points ahead, it’s going to be very difficult to come back.”

Truer words, as it turns out, were never spoken.

In-Game

The fans are amped. During the singing of the National Anthem, they boo the verse “rockets red glare.” There’s something the Nuggets don’t have to be concerned with.

The last thing Vujacic had said was, “There’s no need to talk. We know what we have to do.”

And then they go out and do it.

First Rockets possession, Aaron Brooks penetrates, dishes to Artest in the corner – and he airmails a three. Then Pau Gasol blocks Scola’s first shot, leading to a Kobe layup. Then another Rockets turnover. Ariza tips in a Gasol miss. Another Rockets turnover. Ariza nails a three.

It’s 8-0, and 2:28 into the game, a note scrawled in my pad says, “it’s over.”

When the Lakers decide to play defense – really play it, fighting through screen-and-rolls, funneling speedy guards into their big men, closing off passing lanes – they are an awesome team that few can beat.

Already, the Rockets have a look of doom. The pattern of this series- much like the Atlanta-Miami series – is that the team that wins the first quarter wins the game.

The Lakers don’t score on their next six possessions – and all the Rockets can manage are a couple of free throws.

The Rockets don’t make a field goal till 4:43 left in the first quarter, missing on their first 12 shots.

The Rockets are out of sorts and out of options. Everything that worked in Game 6 is shut down today. If Brooks drives by Fisher, he’s met by two collapsing Lakers. When Scola tries to spin past Gasol, Gasol is there waiting, for Scola into hook shots and one-handers outside his comfort zone. Artest already has more airballs than points. The Rockets miss on 20 of their first 25.

Not that the Lakers are lighting it up. If someone were to tell you before the game that the Lakers would shoot 9-23 in the first quarter, you’d think they’d be in a world of hurt.

Instead, they end the quarter with a 10-point lead

Two minutes into the second, a Chuck Hayes layup brings the Rockets within 9, 24-15.

That’s the closest they will get the rest of the game.

News Flash: Kobe Bryant is not coming up big in Game 7.

News Flash II: It doesn’t even matter. That’s how scary-good the Lakers are playing. And to be fair, Kobe’s rebounding and assisting, anchoring the defense, and shrugging off his misses. Except when he’s complaining to the refs.

News Flash III: The Lakers just remembered the height advantage they hold with Yao out. Gasol and Andrew Bynum are punishing the Rockets on the offensive end. At one point, Gasol has as many rebounds (11) as the Rockets front five.

Kobe checks back into the game at the 8:20 mark of the second. His first shot is an airball with Battier in his face. Kobe runs downcourt, jawing at the refs, yelling for a foul. Maybe Battier hit him, maybe he didn’t, but it’s the least appealing part of Kobe’s game.

On one textbook sequence, Brooks is funneled into the middle by Fisher. Bottled up, he tries a cross-court pass, which Jordan Farmar picks off, leading to a Kobe jumper, and a 33-17 lead.

Five minutes later, Kobe picks off another errant Brooks pass and feeds Ariza for an athletic drive, and a 47-26 lead.

The Rockets have yet to make a run and don’t seem capable. They seemed to have left everything on the floor in Houston—just like they did after Game 4.

By halftime, the Lakers have 11 second-chance points to the Rockets’ none, and lead in points-in-the-paint, 26-14. The offensive sparkplug is Ariza, but the Lakers are winning this in the trenches – with defense and rebounding.

The second half is more of the same. The loudest roar comes on an Ariza-to-Bynum oop that raises the lead to 63-39. The crowd chants “Houston Sucks!”, but that seems besides the point. It’s the Lakers who should be wondering how they let this gritty but clearly inferior, undersized team push them to the brink.

In the fourth quarter, with the celebration on, Todd Rundgren’s “Bang A Drum All Day” blares through Staples. The lyrics seem to be an apt metaphor for the Lakers:

“I don’t want to work.
I want to bang on a drum all day,
I don’t want to play
I just want to bang on the drum all day.”

Sometimes they want to work, other times, they just want to bang the drum. Fortunately for Phil Jackson, ABC, the NBA, and several thousand disgruntled Lakers fans and bloggers, the team that showed up today was the team that wanted to work.

Postgame

The question of the day is posed to Odom: Why can’t you guys do this every night? “We like to keep things interesting,” Odom says, and it’s hard to tell if he’s kidding. “This is Hollywood.”

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  • Logan Posted: May.18 at 3:58 am
    The Lakers played with an energy that was sporadic in the last games….Pau played a great game and Bynum seems to be getting back in the funk….Should be a good series against the Nuggets

  • RV Posted: May.18 at 4:00 am
    i really hate this comment box…am i the only one having problem posting long comments???

  • RV Posted: May.18 at 4:00 am
    you could see this coming before tip off…LA was quiet, focused, even professional…while houston was too loose, too much hop in their steps…that was key for houston in prior games, but in a game where you knew LA was going to come out going 100mph you can’t counter that with looseness

  • RV Posted: May.18 at 4:01 am
    LA finally played the way they should have, not sure why it took 3 games to figure out….

  • RV Posted: May.18 at 4:05 am
    I believed the team would learn to keep him in check by season’s end and they did seem to, but it all fell apart when Yao went out

  • RV Posted: May.18 at 4:06 am
    too bad both games were blowouts, i was expecting at least one last second fnish

  • neaorin Posted: May.18 at 4:24 am
    Way too many blowouts in these playoffs, I’m not expecting every series to be Bulls-Celtics but come on, a little suspense would be nice.

  • BBAller Posted: May.18 at 4:32 am
    Wasn’t that game sevenof a series?

  • neaorin Posted: May.18 at 4:37 am
    for about two and a half minutes it was…

  • Hursty Posted: May.18 at 5:10 am
    RV- I’m struggling to post anything of over 50 words. Not sure how long you can type/get the comment through, but that’s me…
    I’m not mad at the Rockets loosing the game, I mean, I aint HAPPY about it either, but the Lakers just flat out played better throughout the game. Well done Lakers (and their fans I guess haha).

  • Jack Posted: May.18 at 7:00 am
    I’m probably gonna cop some flak for this, but it’s kind of embarassing for the game of basketball when the supposed ‘best players’ (LBJ & KB24 obviously) do as much whining at the refs as they do dribbling the ball. Pull your finger out and play the game, talk to them on timeouts and that.

  • Freedom Fries Posted: May.18 at 8:10 am
    Reset the clock. Countdown until Bryant, KB demands a trade – 4 losses and counting. . . enjoy your stay in the Rocky-state kobster.

  • Freedom Fries Posted: May.18 at 8:10 am
    Ps. Great work Pau – vaya vaya!

  • Bryan Posted: May.18 at 8:38 am
    I think the lakers struggles are all due to under estimating. I don’t think they will make the same mistake with the nugs.

  • Andrew Posted: May.18 at 8:39 am
    Hursty – bad luck for your boys, they fought hard, almost to the point that I wanted them to win a little bit. Not a lot, but a bit.
    Whatever happens in these playoffs, I really do not look forward to the ranting and raving on blogs and comment sections about ‘Kobe lost he’s nothing without Shaq’ ‘Kobe won he’s the greatest ever’ ‘Lebron lost he does too much’ ‘Lebron won because of his point guard’ rubbish that will be inevitably spouted round the web. Hypotheticals and theories are so boring now. On that note, I hope the Nuggs win and JR gets finals MVP. Not that I care about Denver or anything, but it’d make a nice change. Although all the press would be about how Kobe and Bron didn’t win.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 8:49 am
    It did my heart good to see Kenny, Charles and C-Webb just beat the piss out of the Lakers on Inside The NBA last night after the Magic game. Glad it’s not just “dumb bloggers” that hate’s this waste of a team.

  • Andrew Posted: May.18 at 8:58 am
    Eboy – perhaps I should’ve added TV analysts to my tirade then. Is it wrong that I love basketball but find the nature of Kobe/Lakers/Bron stuff to be ultimately really really really boring? Is it not enough that we have two of the best players of the last 20 years running around the league at the moment that we have to debate and rage against/for either of them at any given moment?

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:05 am
    The three guys I mentioned reasons for their dislike of the team is the same reason I can’t stand them. A truly knowledgable basketball fan would know this, but there’s a slim group of those that come here daily Andrew. There’s a good number of strong supporters that lend their voices to the forums on SLAMOnline, but the truly knowledgable ones make up a small handful. If anyone hears the couple of minutes of video that I am referencing and can’t relate to it, then the game is lost on them.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 9:07 am
    I should pull up Eboy’s previous posts: “Lakers have no interior presense, Lakers have no bench, wah wah”
    Clearly, they do.
    I have no idea what the Lakers’ problem is. They have no ‘on’ switch. They just don’t play sometimes. They clearly have the make-up of a championship team, judging by this game. I don’t get why they can’t do this all the time. It makes no sense.
    Lack of grounded leadership, probably.

  • Ryan Jones Posted: May.18 at 9:11 am
    What’s CSI?

  • Ryan Jones Posted: May.18 at 9:13 am
    Anyway.
    Here’s the lead from the NY Times’ gamer this morning:

    LOS ANGELES — After a journey through seven games of mood swings, turns in the story line and questions about just who these Lakers are, Kobe Bryant said he finally learned something about his team.
    “That we’re bipolar,” Bryant said with an ear-to-ear grin.

    Dude, I have been saying that sh*t for YEARS.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:13 am
    All of my previous posts are accurate dipsh*t. They just beat a team for that played a 6′ 6″ center, with a 6′ 5″ backup. Or maybe you didn’t realize that the 7′ 6″ guy that played for the opposing team wasn’t there for about 4 of those games.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 9:15 am
    They beat the team by about 30-points before they took out all their starters. Sounds like what a team with good interior defense and a strong bench should do.
    And they were 2-1 when that 7’6” guy playing, Eboy.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:17 am
    Yeah, they were 2-2 without him too. Stop being stupid.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:18 am
    “They beat the team by about 30-points before they took out all their starters. Sounds like what a team with good interior defense and a strong bench should do.” And yes, they did, as all good NBA teams should do to CBA rejects.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 9:21 am
    I’m not being stupid. I hate the Lakers just about as much as 95% of the every-day posters here do. I just don’t let that hate blind me of common sense. Do the Lakers have a bench problem? Yes. Is that problem that the bench is actually incapable of scoring or are they streaky and easily thrown out of their games? The latter. Do they have a defense problem? Yes. Is it because their team actually can’t defend cutters in the half-court set and guard the three or is it because they react awfully to teams changing up their game plans and Phil Jackson seems incapable of coaching defensive sets in-game? I’m not going to spoil the answer, but hint: it’s the second one.
    So could these issues result in the Lakers going home against the Nuggets? Yes. Will it? I’d be pretty surprised if it did. Lakers just have too much talent on their team to let their mental deficiencies let them get beat before the NBA finals.
    Cavs in six though.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:24 am
    I think 95% percent of all non-Lakers fans know that the end result is going to be the same as the one you typed out, Jukai.

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 9:27 am
    Why does slam hate my squad?

  • Bryan Posted: May.18 at 9:28 am
    I could be wrong but I can’t see the lakers sleeping on the nuggets like they did on the yao-less rockets. They might be arrogant but they’re not stupid and I am sure they’ve been paying attention to the other teams out there. Should they have gone seven games with the rockets? Of course not but lets not kid ourselves by saying it wasn’t easy to look past the rockets after they lost yao and and then lost a game by 40. All this proves is that if you don’t come to play any team can beat you. This series might have woken them up. Imo it did.

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 9:29 am
    Where is Our Recap, am i gonna have to break my vow of silence and start being obnoxious to get a damn recap with positive or at lease neutral reporting in here?

  • mj23 Posted: May.18 at 9:30 am
    Eboy: I agree with you 100%. Lakers should have swept the Rockets, and as a Lakers fan, I was truly disappointed with their performance. I think not only has Kobe’s legacy taken a hit, but Phil Jackson was outcoached in this series. As Lang mentioned in his post, Lebron is the best player right now in the NBA since Jordan in his prime. This is Lebron’s league now, and I don’t see anyone stopping him….certainly not Kobe. Kobe is on the downside of his career while Lebron is just peaking. How many Championships will Lebron win? 6, 7, or 8 who knows. By the end of his career he’ll probably surpass my idol MJ.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:30 am
    ENDS, I don’t think they hate them….but they need to win their next series to really be taken at face value. Otherwise, they’ll still be considered the third best team in the East. They did beat a resilient Celts team but it was a team without their leader and their best bench player so it’s not like they upset them. And it did take them 7 games to do it. But they deserve accolades for getting there.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:32 am
    mj23, the Lakers shouldn’t have swept the Rockets with Yao in the lineup, but they should have put them away without losing 2 game without him.

  • mj23 Posted: May.18 at 9:35 am
    Do you think with a healthy Yao and T-mac, the Rockets could of one the series?

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 9:35 am
    Here’s my prediction: The Nuggets v Lakers series will NOT go to seven. There. That prediction gives me a LOT of wiggle room to say I’m right in a lot of ways.

  • mj23 Posted: May.18 at 9:35 am
    ** won

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:39 am
    The Rockets would have had a legit chance in a Game 7 with both of them in the lineup mj23. I’d like my teams chances with Yao and T-Mac as my to go to options rather than Ron Ron and Aaron Brooks.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:39 am
    to=two

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 9:39 am
    FORGET THAT WE FLIPPIN” WON THE SERIES AND THEY HAVE A CELTICS ARTICLE UP! Ya’ll gone make me loose my mind…

  • mj23 Posted: May.18 at 9:40 am
    Lakers have no shot against Cavs, and at this point i’d rather see Nuggets/Cavs finals.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 9:41 am
    I think a Nuggets v Cavaliers matchup would make for a more exciting series, but I think the Lakers match up better against the Cavaliers than the Nuggets do…

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 9:42 am
    stop ESPN’in it
    A team makes the Conf. Finals has to be taken at face value.
    We can keep coming up with excuses, but DAMN it Hell we just defeated the Defending Champs IN THIER HOME BUILDING! the Least we can et is a ******** ******* Recap!

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:43 am
    mj23, the Lakers will be tough for either the Nuggets or the Cavs, and it will come down to Pau’s performance. The Lakers can not win either series without him being the focal point of both, as yesterday’s game proved.

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 9:43 am
    stop ESPN’in it
    A team makes the Conf. Finals has to be taken at face value.
    We can keep coming up with excuses, but DAMN it 2 Hell we just defeated the Defending Champs IN THIER HOME BUILDING! the Least we can et is a ******** ******* Recap!

  • Andrew Posted: May.18 at 9:44 am
    Eboy – we don’t get inside the nba in australia, and I can’t be bothered looking it up. It’s fine that you hate the lakers, really. I could care less. It’s also fine that Chuck and Kenny do too. What I’m talking about is the totally boring stuff about who might or might not be better than Jordan, the stuff that’s totally unquantifiable because it’s based on so many different possibilities and potential outcomes that all it will ever result in is people saying ‘fu(k you’ and ‘you don’t know sh!t’ etc. And I post rarely on here because I don’t have the time to spend making comments, and have intermittent internet access. This does not make me one of the 95%. Also, that does not mean I think it’s lame to post comments – if I had the time and the wherewithal, I’d be posting here 24/7…

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 9:44 am
    i cant rant about my Damn team on thier own article thats why i seem nuts. Forget ya’ll kepp your recap SLAM we dont need your pitty at Mid Day

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:45 am
    ENDS, do you really think they would have won that game or even the series if the Celts were healthy? Be real and not a fan with your answer? I think most people are looking at that as the way they view their win too. Plus, Lebron or Kobe doesn’t play for them, so it’s not important, right?

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 9:46 am
    BLACK MAGIC ***** *******

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 9:46 am
    i dont CARE WE WON THE SERIES
    White Hot BUZZ KILL

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 9:48 am
    ahahha white hot buzz kill! Favorite nickname for Eboy ever!

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 9:48 am
    If Nick would hit freethorws we would’ve been champs by now. why when i play what if its a big deal . no matter how you size it up we at least deserve a bit of credit for WINNING THE DAMN GAME which none of ya’ll thought we would do (no matter what you predicted)

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:49 am
    You still didn’t answer the question ENDS. And yeah, I like that name too.

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 9:49 am
    everyone else gets a DAMN recap. I’ve been calm for a while now I want MY FLIPPIN” RECAP!

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:49 am
    Who’s yall? I thought the Magic were going to win the series from the jump.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:50 am
    I also think they’ll take the Cavs to six.

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 9:51 am
    it doesnt matter. E i know you aint gone be petty your usually my only cavelry. We may not have won with Garnett there but gues what…

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 9:52 am
    that Brother did not walk through that door. and then We Won, im not defending a loss theres not even a mention to the Victory here. I thought Dime was Bad

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 9:55 am
    And this is the Second Time cause when we beat the 6ers they had an article on what Iggy thought the team needed for next year. Honestly let me ask you Dont you think SLAM will have enough time to write about that in the off season? Let’s keep this Party movin”

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:56 am
    Well, then screw the recent past ENDS and look to the future. Do you think they can knock the Cavs out?

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 9:56 am
    I shouldnt have to talk about the EASTERN CONFERENCE FINALIST (1 of The NBA’s Final 4) Orlando Magic on a Lakers/Rox (Hate that) Recap

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 9:59 am
    Ok.

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 9:59 am
    HELL YEAH! What am I supposed to say?!?! When my Wife and Kid asked me can we beat them should i say Naw, dont waste your time.
    As some one who knows the game (and i know thats what you want from me to use my brain not my heart)I think we can take 3 before LBJ prove too much…But thats why we use our hearts to love this game

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 10:01 am
    It pisses me off when I hear you downing your Heat cause some of these ***** ******* goofballz think they can point out some stupid ish to you. My team may suck and thats all good but im going out like the orchestra on the Titanic.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 10:01 am
    If they shoot that high percentage from three that they are capable of, they can beat anybody. I don’t know if they can do it for 7 games against the three teams left though. It’s going to be tough.

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 10:02 am
    It pisses me off when I hear you downing your Heat cause some of these ***** ******* goofballz think they can point out some stupid ish to you. My team may suck and thats all good but im going out like the orchestra on the Titanic. In a blaze of slef serving Glory of nothing else

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 10:04 am
    ENDS, I also know that the Heat today are a pretty hole-filled team. Once they are completley solid, I’ll be less critical. I also know that the Lakers don’t want to see the Magic in the Finals if they both get there. I’m sure alot of people forget the Magic swept them this year.

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 10:05 am
    I know your like me. I bet you yell c’mon to the refs on the screen when they call bogus ish on Beasly. you stand up to watch in your home if the game is close. I love the game since my Dad taught me about Showtime in the 80′s…

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 10:06 am
    I’ve done those things, ENDS. Definitley.

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 10:06 am
    but after “Magic” Left (Which i cried like the young kid i was) i realized the blood in my viens was Blue Black and White!

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 10:07 am
    THERE! A GOD DAMN MAGIC ARTICLE IS UP! TAKE YER MEDS AND GO COMMENT OVER THERE!!

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 10:08 am
    Loyalty is Royalty! and If that Revelation the ghost of penny hardway told me(remember the one who said we’d be in the ECF) is correct Loyalty will pyoff in hige dividens.

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 10:09 am
    YEAH!

  • ENDS Posted: May.18 at 10:09 am
    Thax Slam! All I wanted

  • James the balla Posted: May.18 at 10:13 am
    Yall hate Kobe. lol GTFOH

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 10:14 am
    The same TNT crew that said the lakers didn’t respect the league also said that the magic will beat the cavs. Day and night.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 10:16 am
    Only one of those guys said that, Zee. Get your facts straight.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 10:16 am
    James: do we have to add that Kobe is a top-15 player all-time before we give ANY criticism about him?

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 10:19 am
    Oddly, I haven’t seen a critical comment about Kobe in this thread.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 10:23 am
    I think the Lakers will have to do more than “show up” in order to beat the Nuggets. Just looking at the rosters, I think Denver is basically just as talented as LA, they have an enormous advantage at the PG, and while the Lakers have a more efficient offensive frontcourt, Denver’s is more physical and better defensively. Denver has to avoid turnovers and bad shots (just as the Lakers do) but I don’t tthink the Lakers really have any distinct advatage in this series.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 10:28 am
    Ciolkstar: Billups is the key, but Carmello isnt’ going to get his with Ariza/Odom guarding him… I don’t think the Nuggets frontcourt will take too much advantage against the Lakers’ front court.
    Plus, the Rockets immense success was constantly putting ALL-TEAM DEFENSE defenders on Kobe. Dahnty Jones is going to get obliterated, and man… JR Smith?

  • Freedom Fries Posted: May.18 at 10:32 am
    I still think KB demanding a trade is a ticking time bomb with a short fuse. That said. I’m dying to see Sasha (the dunkin machine) go up for a jam against Denver and get flagrant 7-ed by both Kmart and Nene . . . future highlight of the year “and the mop goes SPRAWLING – and the mop is downnnnnnn..”

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 10:50 am
    Sigh, Ok E so Chuck said they shouldn’t win cause they don’t care, CWebb said basically the same thing and Kenny flipped flopped. How’s that? The only person who didn’t say anything like that was Ernie, he was too busy trying to get Chuck to answer a straight question. But the three ex athletes pretty much were saying the same thing. Doesn’t matter if the wording was spot on.

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 10:54 am
    With that said, Chuck was the only guy who said Orlando would win, but you can tell the other two guys are so shook to go against popular opinion even though they may want to. I think CWebb is tired of being laughed at. Chuck just doesn’t care. And the chick who did the push ups versus Charles is too nice.

  • The Seed Posted: May.18 at 11:10 am
    I don’t understand, everyone picking the Nuggets, they don’t play defense and who knows, if Dallas gets that foul called 2-2, maybe that series would have went to a game 7 and Dallas doesn’t play defense. I believe the Rockets was a harder test for the Lakers, because of their defense. Plus Kobe always eats up the Nuggets and they don’t play defense, except try to block every shot and get in foul trouble and Odom and Gasol will get off. Lakers in 5. and Magic has a great chance to knock off the Cavs if they play the inside out game and keep a defender in Williams face at all times and hit on 40% of their three point attempts. I am going with Magic in 6. Lakers – Magic, I give it to the Lakers in 6. Lakers-Champions!!!

  • The Seed Posted: May.18 at 11:16 am
    The TNT crew are dumbies, Chuck couldn’t get over the hump and threw his former teammates under the bus, saying I never played on a talented team- Suns 1993 team wasn’t talented, OK. C-Webb couldn’t get past the Lakers, so you know he things the 2001 series was fixed and Kenny rode on HaKeem’s coat tail, when Jordan was playing baseball for gambling. TNT where dumbies happen. When the Celtics got pushed by a below 500 team-Hawks, everybody said the Hawks are playing better-no. When the Lakers get pushed by a tough defense oriented team without Yao they suck. Who would yall pick in a match up the below 500 Hawks from last year who pushed the Celtics or the Rockets without Yao and Tmac. I would pick the Rockets this year to beat the Hawks from last year in 6 games. TNT where Chuck said he hoped the Lakers would have lost-Funny. Bias!!

  • Freedom Fries Posted: May.18 at 11:21 am
    Seed – I bet you also had high hopes for the Softshow last year when they (and KB first and foremost) mailed in the finals. Member those painful memories? Not having flashbacks yet? Don’t worry, you will. KB’s about to have Colorado-itis – it’s all about Pau right now, better hope he has about 14 more career games in him.

  • mj23 Posted: May.18 at 11:29 am
    I think the wild card in the Nuggets/Lakers series will be the officiating. We all know the NBA and VitaminWater would like to see a Kobe-Lebron finals. It’s all about ratings.

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 11:30 am
    I love this series preview. And I thought Lakers fans were biased. This guy is channeling Eboy: http://www.pickaxeandroll.com/2009/5/17/878242/wcf-preview-nuggets-vs-lakers

  • Izzo Posted: May.18 at 11:53 am
    Seems to be a disproportionate amount of Lakers fans on here today.I’ll chalk this up to pure coincidence.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 11:53 am
    ^ sadly, this is true

  • Moose Posted: May.18 at 11:55 am
    Moose in da house.

  • Izzo Posted: May.18 at 11:57 am
    You know why I love Adam Morrison?Because he clear dislikes his teammates and the fact that he’s on the same team as them.

  • RV Posted: May.18 at 12:13 pm
    Bryan wrote” They might be arrogant but they’re not stupid “….what do you call taking 3 games to finally go to your big men when the opposing team has a 6’6 center and 6’8 PF, with a 6’7 back up?? That’s pretty stupid to me. They should have done that starting game 4. Maybe i can understand underestimating them one game, but two? And remember LA came out flat in game 5 too, took them a few mins to wake up. That’s 3 games in a row they werent ready to start the game…and jukai, i dont think finally being ready on the 4th game solves it all, maybe it has, but it’s not a sure thing.

  • RV Posted: May.18 at 12:18 pm
    i know it doesnt mean much, but just wanted to throw it out there…when houston is eliminated in the playoffs, the team that eliminated them has never won a ring.

  • Jackie Moon Posted: May.18 at 12:26 pm
    Commenters like Eboy have ruined the Slam online discourse. Arrogant, wrong (many times, I don’t have the times from past years he’s made errant predictions), angry, and worst of all, rude.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 12:27 pm
    Jackie is a moron. Which category does that fall under? I’d type out a smiley face, but why take the comment to moderation if it doesn’t need to?

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 12:30 pm
    Whoa, whoa, Jackie. Eboy isn’t angry.

  • 24 - 32 - 44 Posted: May.18 at 12:31 pm
    too many haters on this board. I thought this was a board for basketball lovers. Yes, the Lakers haven’t brought their “A” game enough, but the case can be made that the Celtics did the very same thing last season and they still won it all. Bottom line, if the Lakers bring their best every game, there is no way that they don’t win it all. They have the most talented team left in the playoffs. They can play big, they can play small, and no other team can match the 3 7ft monster of LO, Pau and Bynum. Frankly, the one team that they don’t matchup well with is the Magic, but since Nelson is out, alot of that mismatch is gone.

  • Slick Nick Da Ruler Posted: May.18 at 12:36 pm
    Gasol Doin’ Work. Thats the only chance the Lakers have, I’ll take the Nuggets in 7.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 12:49 pm
    CoSign Slick Nick

  • RV Posted: May.18 at 12:54 pm
    pleaseeeeee stop saying Boston went through the same thing last year, boston DID NOT face a team without it’s top 2 players and no centers…i dont get how laker fans dont see how big of a deal that was. houston didn’t have a player OVER 6’8! LA has 2 seven footers who can start, and a 6’10 SF! What team in the NBA playoffs wouldn’t go to that mismatch the very next game? Did boston fail to start well for 3 straight games against a team like that? It’s not even close to the same thing.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 12:57 pm
    I really hate commentors like RV who make sense and know what they’re actually talking about.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 1:00 pm
    I would take the Rockets without Yao Ming and Tracy Mcgrady over last year’s Hawks.
    I want to know how Denver is going to manage their shooting guard spot. To defend Kobe, Dahnty Jones needs to be in there full time, keeping a hand in Kobe’s face, leading Kobe to Anderson and Nene… but JR is a massive impact scorer who needs to get his minutes to really go off. With JR in the game, however, Kobe’s going to drop 50. So it’ll be interesting to see how the minutes are balanced.

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 1:02 pm
    Tomorrow can’t come soon enough. Win or lose, It’s gonna be a dope series. If Melo really is ready to make his mark, prove it young fella. Kobe and co will be waiting.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 1:03 pm
    Explain the guarding tactics of one Chauncey Billups Jukai, besides putting Kobe on him and leaving Kobe helpless to roam the lanes like he loves to do since Chauncey would just hand around the three point line and force Kobe to stay away from doubling and cheating the passing lanes.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.18 at 1:03 pm
    “whitehot buzzkill”. Wow, that was amusing. Safe to say that ENDS doesn’t really stick to his vow of silence that much.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 1:03 pm
    Unless you think that Fisher, Brown and Farmar will slow him down this series.

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 1:04 pm
    “When the Lakers decide to play defense – really play it, fighting through screen-and-rolls, funneling speedy guards into their big men, closing off passing lanes – they are an awesome team that few can beat.”

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 1:05 pm
    Those few are still left in the playoffs, Zee.

  • RV Posted: May.18 at 1:06 pm
    Jukai, no way, maybe if houston has homecourt and goes 7, but Smith’s athleticism would give our frontline a lot of trouble, horford as well. It’s not as simple as houston not just having size, it’s not having enough players also, the rotations usually tighten up in the playoffs so add 2 big injuries to that and fatigue and foul trouble become a big factor, LA also didnt use that to their advantage, i bet Atlanta would have.

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 1:08 pm
    Fisher has had problems with quicker guards, which Billups is not. Billups has muscled smaller guards, which Fisher is not. Fisher actually making shots might be the thing that makes Chauncey expend a bit of energy on the defensive end, or at least make the Nuggets have something else to worry about. I don’t see Billups exactly killing D-fish, but he’ll get buckets.

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 1:08 pm
    Touche Eboy.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.18 at 1:08 pm
    I’d put Melo on Mambiatch for some stretches. He’s got fantastic footspeed for such a large guy. And length to make Kob’s alter his shot a bit. nuggets are gonna try to intimidate most of the Lakers, the volatile ones (Pau, Kob’s, Sasha, Lamar, fish) are in for a long series

  • showmeyourwits Posted: May.18 at 1:10 pm
    @RV How did it take them 3 games to go their big men when Pau had 22 & 14 in Game 2? Against Yao, no less? That was the gameplan all along and they did it even when they lost in Game 4 with Pau having 30. Not executing is not equal to underestimating.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 1:12 pm
    I don’t know Jukai. I don’t think Dahntay does anything special against Kobe, he’s over agressive and bites on fakes to often which Kobe will use against him. JR is not a good defender by any means, but thats mainly due to lack of focus. Remember last year he actually did a pretty good job staying in front of Kobe (who still torched him) and looked as focused on D as I’ve ever seen him (actually, MORE focused than ever) I think JR’s minutes really need to be over 30 a night.
    And I definitely DO see Billups killing DFish.

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 1:12 pm
    Melo on Kobe? That’s gonna last for about 2 quick fouls then Karl will wise up and switch.

  • Michael Posted: May.18 at 1:13 pm
    Lakers in 6 over the Nuggets. They simply have no one who can gaurd Kobe. Cav’e in 6 over the Magic. The Magic actually have a few matchup advantages over Cleveland but Lebron trumps those.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 1:14 pm
    Strange Zee and I are thinking similarly. I think Melo will get Ariza in foul trouble pretty quickly each game.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 1:15 pm
    Eboy: Chauncy is going to ABUSE The Lakers. Straight up make Fisher and Farmar his d*ck puppet. The match-up isn’t interesting because there’s nothing Phil can do except play Chauncy tight and make sure there is help if Chauncy tries and slide around the defender. The match-up for Kobe is interesting because Jones can actually slow Kobe down but hurts the offense (and allows Kobe to stray off him and double up on Billups and Carmello), while JR helps the offense tremendously but will get his sh*t owned by Kobe. Hense, I mentioned it.
    RV: Josh Smith is the only overtly athletic person on Atlanta. Scola’s flopping would send Smith to the BENCH immediately. Dude was downright enraged when Varejao was doing it. JJ would be downright locked by Artest/Battier, Aaron Brooks would score 100 on Bibby and I don’t think Horford has it in him to carry a team like that. So I don’t know. The game would go to seven but I’d put my money on the heavily injured Rockets. Not to say that the Lakers game seven wasn’t more telling than the Celtics (Pierce and Allen were going through a massive slump which they snapped out of game seven of the Cav series, while it seems like EVERY Laker is going through a slump), but I wouldn’t downplay the current Rockets team and forget how ill-constructed last year’s Hawks were.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.18 at 1:15 pm
    good one E.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 1:16 pm
    I posted that AFTER Ciolkstar wrote his response, so sorry about that. I saw Jones throw Chris Paul off his game hardcore so I just assumed Dahnty was an overall good defender. I’ll have to take Ciolkstars word on this.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 1:18 pm
    People need to stop acting like this is 2003 Kobe were talking about. The man is going to shoot mostly jumpers. There are times when he’s hitting everything, and the defense bing played against his shot (Battier’s nasty face guarding)really doesn’t matter. But if you can force him to him consistently work for tough jump shots, there’s a good chance he’ll start missing a bunch of them. The worst thing to do is too foul Kobe or let him think he can get to the rim. I’m still not certain Denver can do this, but Kobe is more one dimensional than ever before, and the Nuggs should try to make him hit A TON of jumpers in order to win.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 1:20 pm
    Ciolkstar: who in Denver is going to do that?

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 1:21 pm
    Jukai: Jones really did impress me against CP3, I’m with you there. But Kobe is a different beast, and for some reason i feel like i remember seeing Kobe look like he explicitly wanted to go at and destroy Dahntay in some past matchups.

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 1:22 pm
    Wow did the words “D*ck Puppet” get used on this board? I don’t know if that’s creative Jukai, or really bugged.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 1:23 pm
    Zee: I don’t know, but it just felt right.

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 1:23 pm
    And did you just say Dahntay Jones can slow down Kobe?! Like Battier did right? But Dahntay is a way better defender though. Right.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 1:24 pm
    Well, I think a big part of forcing Kobe to shoot Js will be the Nuggets big men rotating to close paths to the basket, I’d also like to see some late doubles where you could catch Kobe already trying to shoot and use Kenyon and even Birdman and Nene to bother his shot. I think JR will do a better job staying in front of Kobe than you do, the key will be not fouling him or biting on fakes.

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 1:25 pm
    E, no way Ariza holds Melo, we just need him to quasi-contain him at best. Melo is probably gonna avg 28ppg this series but the Lakers strategy in winning may just be to out gun them. First one to 125 wins!

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.18 at 1:26 pm
    For a team that apparently sucks so much, it’s a wonder the Lakers made the playoffs at all, let alone the conference finals. Phil Jackson must be a frickin’ genius. And whilst my dream remains Birdman and Kenyon and JR getting Obama and Joe B faded at the White House, is it really that inconceivable that a George Karl coached Nuggets team could seize up when it matters most? Last I checked, the results of one series don’t carry over to the next. Unless things have changed.

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 1:28 pm
    Russ, a much needed voice of reason enters the fray.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.18 at 1:29 pm
    I drop unexpectedly like bird sh*t. Also, if I hit you, it’s good luck.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 1:30 pm
    Yeah, I don’t think Kobe scoring will be much higher tha Melo’s in this series, the question will be if its more efficient. The Rockets were able to get just about anything they wanted when they attcked the rim and Denver is one of the best penetrating team in the L, having lead the league all year in FTs attempted. And I feel like Melo has been attacking the rim more consistently and effectively than I’ve ever seen before (maybe Chauncey’s influence?) Denver is at their best when they mostly attck the rim and shoot threes while giving Melo/Chancey/JR the occasional iso.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 1:31 pm
    Also, I don’t think trying to outgun Denver is a great idea.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 1:31 pm
    Zee!: Calm down there bro. I said “slow down” meaning Kobe will score 30 instead of 45 or something comparative. Relax, just take a deep breath and chill. I hate the fakeshow but I’m on your side of the argument here.
    Ciolkstar: See, this is where I have a problem with her logic. Kobe doesn’t have the point vision of Lebron or Wade (or even JJ Reddick), but the dude can PASS if he sees the open man. Once the bigs collapse on Kobe, the man has had a habit of passing around them to hit a running Gasol/Odom or a parked Bynum. This causes mismatches and problems on defense. Look what happened when the Spurs tried to close out on Kobe during last year’s series (although in fairness, Kobe’s jumper was downright wet in that series too).
    The success that the Rockets had wasn’t clogging the lane with their big men, they didn’t HAVE big men. They had two defenders that played Kobe tight, but light enough to cut off his driving spots. Doubling Kobe has worked in the past because he’ll just try to shoot through the double, but I think the key will be how well Dahnty/Carmello/Billups/JR Smith guard Kobe out on the perimeter.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 1:32 pm
    Zee, I think the Nugs will also be trying to quasi-contain Kobe too.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 1:38 pm
    I love how Russ exaggerates other peoples arguments in order to make his moderate (and obvious) ones’ seem insightful.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 1:41 pm
    Ciolkstar: In fairness, that’s sort of how both you and Eboy read sometimes, like the Lakers have NO CHANCE at beating Denver. That’s why, despite my own personal hatred for Kobe and his squad of arrogent pricks, I have to stand up for them from time to time and point out, well, the obvious: they have a good chance to make the NBA finals, if not better than the Nuggets, then at least the same.

  • franko Posted: May.18 at 1:43 pm
    SCOLA 2009/10. (the man is good trust me)

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 1:44 pm
    I’ve said before that my commenting is often a form of wishful thinking. And I’ve made several concessions about how potentially good the Lakers can be, and often are. I’m just not going to make comments about them, when I’m thinking about what the other team (whoever that happens to be ) can/should do (IMO)to win.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 1:45 pm
    Yes, Jukai, because you’ve never made overly ridiculous statements about other players and teams in your long commenting career. Please, bro. And to be honest, the more you characters egg me on, the more I like to break your balls. As smart as you think you are, it’s the most obvious move on my part to get reactions from the “purple and yellow bleeding heart liberals”. Get your mind right.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 1:48 pm
    Eboy: Oh, okay, it makes sense now. You’re really not some dumb idiot, you’re just saying things that are absolutely apesh*t to get rises out of people. Okay. You had me going for a second there, bro!!

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 1:49 pm
    E is more interested in “getting other people to react” than anyone I know. Anytime someone tries to beef with you, you’re like “Oh you played right into my hands, looking all pissed, haha I win” – Just an observation, I know I do the same thing sometimes 9like when I drop a random “Eff the Lakers” or “Kobe is a gay fish”, etc…)

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 1:51 pm
    I do it in my real life too, ciolk. And being around you guys for several years here….i would think that most of the regular’s know each other’s commenting habits. My bad for thinking.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 1:51 pm
    Ciolk: it’s some sort of weird protection mechanism that Eboy uses. Sort of like when he was rooting for his Heat to beat the Hawks all the way to game seven, then it turns out he “actually” wanted the Heat to lose, so they wouldn’t embarrass themselves in the next round… as if losing to the Hawks wasn’t embarrassing as it is.
    Expect a Phoenix bash in three… two…

  • RV Posted: May.18 at 1:52 pm
    show me your wits, i said big men, not man, Gasol was pretty consistent, but he should have averaged near 30 and 15 with Yao and deke out, forget Kobe he’s wasting too many shots and energy battling shane even if he does score, Gasol and bynum would have scored much more efficiently and faster. Bynum should have had more minutes and more opportunities as well, it took them 3 games to get both of them in there significantly. they should have played Gasol, bynum and odom for most of the game or as long as Bynum could go. They needed to overwhelm houston with size, Gasol alone can be contained with hayes and the occasional double team, but a big lineup like that results in LA playing volleyball and getting putbacks all day.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 1:55 pm
    Nah, E I was just RECOGNIZING that that IS your commenting style, not trying to bash it.

  • RV Posted: May.18 at 1:55 pm
    Russ, results don’t carry over, but mentality? Maybe. Probably. all i know is the houston series will have a big effect on LA, whether it’s really good or bad is up to them.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 1:57 pm
    ..and I made a simialr argument to friends/coworkers about how it was more enjoyable to watch the Nuggs kill the Mavs than it would’ve been to watc the Nuggs kill the Spurs… there might be some shred of truth to it.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 1:57 pm
    No, I would have liked to have seen the Heat win, dum dum, but to have been completley and utterly embarrassed like the Hawks were, like a typical Phoenix Suns end of season, was something I’d prefer my guys to avoid for a team so full of young players still trying to find their way in the league. You’re welcome for the Suns insult, btw.

  • B. Long Posted: May.18 at 1:57 pm
    I guess people forget that the Celtics let the Hawks take them to seven in the first round last year and still went on to win the ship. Oh well.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 2:00 pm
    No B, no one forgot that. Maybe YOU forgot that Houston was missing its top 2 players and still took the Fakers to seven?

  • RV Posted: May.18 at 2:02 pm
    not you too B, you’re better than that..

  • Michael Posted: May.18 at 2:11 pm
    The Celtics actually played hard in that series agaisnt the Hawks.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 2:13 pm
    B Long: So you’re saying you expect the Cavaliers to just absolutely cash it like the Lakers did last year?

  • Lz - Cphfinest 3 Posted: May.18 at 2:25 pm
    Impressive showing by Pau and the Lakers, they did good to stop Brooks penetrtion. Congrats to Holly and the rest of the Lakers-nation. Can’t wait to see LA-Denver in the semis will be one heck of a series. With either Kobe-LeBron or Melo-LeBron in the Finals. Gooood times!

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 2:31 pm
    Ciok, the Lakers took the Lakers to 7.

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 2:32 pm
    And man, Orlando is is being talked about like the NBA equal of a tax write-off.

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 2:33 pm
    Correction, the Lakers EGO took the Lakers to 7.

  • donlaker Posted: May.18 at 2:37 pm
    i made some money , i bet the lakers and nuggets
    would make the w/c finals , now im not sure who wants it more george karl or phil zenmaster j
    the cavs will have to stop the onslaught of 3 point shooting of orlando,, is jj redic ready for his close up… i like the cavs in 7 and the lakers in 7

  • The Seed Posted: May.18 at 2:39 pm
    I am tired of Houston missing top 2 players-Lakers suck. Like I said earlier in this post. I would take Houston missing top 2 players to beat the below 500 Hawks from last year, who took the Celtics to seven games. Houston is a tough team and plays better without Tmac, not Yao to me. But Lakers will beat Nuggets in 5 because nobody on that team can guard Kobe and Kobe will dish the rock, until they stop playing the lanes.

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 2:42 pm
    Damn, in 5? Like that? Wow.

  • Ted Dong Posted: May.18 at 2:57 pm
    Oh man, it was a great season, Rockets. It was a pleasure watching you guys play. I have no complaints; taking the Lakers to 7 was just heroic, showing that much heart. This has a been a great weekend, folks!

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 3:01 pm
    Thats actually the problem, Z

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 3:02 pm
    The Seed, it doesn’t = Lakers suck //
    it = “Lakers flawed”

  • Joe Posted: May.18 at 3:06 pm
    Go Lakers!

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: May.18 at 3:08 pm
    Jack Nicholson is freaking annoying. So are the rest of the people from Los Angeles seated in those stands at Staples. Show some class, seriously. Booing the “rockets red glare” in the national anthem? Chanting “Na na na hey hey good bye”? REAL classy.
    I’m only talking about the people who were there at the Staples Center. It was annoying and uncalled for… Just saying.
    I also find it funny how people call the Lakers the deepest team in the NBA. Subtract Kobe Bryant and what do you get?
    Thanks and good day.

  • RV Posted: May.18 at 3:11 pm
    the seed playing better without tmac doesn’t means they play great without him..keep that in mind. they play more efficiently and with a better balance, but their posessions are a lot less because they take longer to score, so that raises efficiency. And you’re forgetting they had no Deke, once again, it’s not just the talent youre missing, but the extra fouls and minutes you dont have. LA could go 10 deep in their rotation, houston 8, that still left LA was a center as their 11th, houston had no centers at all.

  • RV Posted: May.18 at 3:12 pm
    Teddy, we did the same thing i wouldnt be too pissed about that..

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: May.18 at 3:29 pm
    I feel like people will only be willing to give the Lakers credit for anything if they go 82-0, sweep the playoffs, win every game 140-6, and Kobe averages 25 points, 30 assists and 20 rebounds per. Oh yeah, and if their path to the championship is: ’87 Lakers, ’01 Lakers, ’03 Lakers, ’96 Bulls.

  • Myles Brown Posted: May.18 at 3:43 pm
    I guess I have to be the one to point out that eboy openly acknowledges the fact that he consistently provokes reactions with mind numbingly irrantional statements simply for his own amusment, yet when someone claims that he’s ruined the discourse, he calls them a moron. Not that anyone will do anything about, or that I particularly care since I don’t comment anymore, just thought I’d point that out. Back to work. Bai.

  • RV Posted: May.18 at 3:44 pm
    russ, naming people would be very helpful

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 3:46 pm
    Since Brown responded he must fit in that category.

  • Izzo Posted: May.18 at 3:46 pm
    Glorious,glorious internet.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 3:50 pm
    And if I picked a forum and sat and typed out 100 different insults about, let’s say……the Heat, no one but me and Cheryl and maybe one or two other commenters would give a sh*t. But it takes on a different feeling when it’s YOUR team that catches the words that so drive you loopy. Get a thicker skin, or a heavier jacket. Laker fans are the only one’s that cry to the heavens when their team takes an insult and that’s what make’s it all the more amusing.

  • bulldog Posted: May.18 at 3:53 pm
    Lakers all the way, baby! A couple of speed bumps to go and the trophy coming back home to L.A. where it BELONGS! Class in session. Now Nuggets will get a dose of Lakers 101 and Cleveland will get the more advanced curriculum. HOPEFULLY, we get more Lebron/Kobe commercials (Anybody seen my FOUR championship rings?)

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 4:00 pm
    But for Myles, I will give a compliment to the Lakers and their effort yesterday. Pau Gasol cemented his legacty as a big time performer and made the rest of his supporting cast seem to matter little as he did all that mattered for them.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 4:01 pm
    *legacy

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 4:03 pm
    @ bulldog, You already know Nike has one in the vault….

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 4:09 pm
    @ Russ, they’d have to play the ’96 bulls TWICE.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 4:11 pm
    Eboy: The difference is, the people giving you crap for the Heat aren’t making up bogus, exaggerating points. But hey, if jacking up 14-year-old Laker fans makes your 30-year-old self happy, then do what makes you happy in a sad, pathetic way.

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 4:11 pm
    Congrats Myles, you coaxed something that remotely resembles a compliment(?) out of E. Mark your calendars people.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 4:14 pm
    Bullsh*t, I’ve said before I’d like to see Lamar back in a Heat uniform one day, so obviously that means I like HIM.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 4:15 pm
    Jukai, are you implying Myles is in middle school?

  • Bryan Posted: May.18 at 4:16 pm
    Intense. What eboy does is no different than the lerbon sucks or kobe sucks shouters. Except that he actually has a point most of time its just said in an over the top manner to agitate. Which is fine by me. He’s not a trouble maker just to be a trouble maker. Most of the time I get tired of hearing the lakers rule the world when they want to its bogus. He may articulate it differently, maybe even poorly but his point remains valid.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 4:17 pm
    eboy: mentally or physically?

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 4:18 pm
    Shia, you little fuc*er, trying to make sense of my drivel. I love you!

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 4:18 pm
    Bryan: Sure, he has a point, but wouldn’t it be GREAT if he expressed that point, I don’t know, closer to reality?

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 4:19 pm
    Shame, shame Jukai. I know Myles is a big framed dude.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 4:21 pm
    What, saying that I think the Lakers are blatantly overrated since the beginning of this season, isn’t allowable? Just like those of you who think Lebron’s wildy overrated and say it every chance THEY get? Yeah, thought so.

  • Bryan Posted: May.18 at 4:24 pm
    Maybe it would be great but do you really think of the laker fans would give a f*ck or would they just say ‘wrong stupid eboy the lakerz rule’ so why bother trying to be rational or objective when no one else is held to that standard?

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 4:28 pm
    Bryan: I’m not a Lakers fan. I hate most of the team, outside of Ariza and the Machine, the latter purely for comical effect. Yet I can’t partake in Eboy harrassin’ these dudes cause some of the things he says are just OUT there.
    And he flip flops like a bi-polar John Kerry. First, he gives you that all-mighty “Ha you’re dumb that opinion I gave was just to get a rise out of people I didn’t mean it” then when you call it on him, he’ll throw a “WHAT, I’m not ALLOWED to have that opinion?” as if it was real in the first place.
    Dude would be a hit at an AOL chatroom.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 4:28 pm
    You’re right.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 4:29 pm
    I should have said ‘bi-polar John Kerry without bones’ but the last part escaped me.

  • Bryan Posted: May.18 at 4:30 pm
    And I should know since I mostly check the hyperbole at the door and get ignored all day until I say something outrageous. The only time anyone says anything objective is when,not mentioning names, people come out condescend us or act like their opinion is the only right opinion.

  • Moose Posted: May.18 at 4:30 pm
    Moose BACK in da house.

  • Izzo Posted: May.18 at 4:31 pm
    Eboy is getting it from all angles these days….

  • Moose Posted: May.18 at 4:32 pm
    “Commenters like Eboy have ruined the Slam online discourse. Arrogant, wrong (many times, I don’t have the times from past years he’s made errant predictions), angry, and worst of all, rude.” — Jackie Moon. I completely disagree. Continue discussion.

  • Allenp Posted: May.18 at 4:35 pm
    Eboy is a lawyer…
    He’ll say anything.
    Lawyers don’t have souls…
    On the flip side, my brother just graduated from law school…

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 4:36 pm
    Congratulations to your brother, Allenp. My brother is aiming to do the same thing and I’m wondering how long it’ll take him to utterly fail.

  • Moose Posted: May.18 at 4:36 pm
    Allenp, I’ve been wondering . . . is “Raving Black Lunatic” your blog? If so, awesome stuff, my man.

  • Moose Posted: May.18 at 4:37 pm
    Have faith in your bro Jukai. And congrats, Allenp. Good luck to your brother, Jukai.

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 4:38 pm
    Jukai, please stop deflecting your stupidity.

  • Moose Posted: May.18 at 4:38 pm
    What’s good E?

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 4:39 pm
    Yo, Law School talk at Slamonline! I’ll be well one my way to becioming a soulless two face starting this fall…

  • Izzo Posted: May.18 at 4:39 pm
    Okay,any type of argument is utterly useless unless both sides are open to the possibility that they may be wrong and are open to learning new things on the subject you’re discussing.Of course,Eboy is the only person around here that doesn’t do this.
    Don’t let this get in the way of the mob though.
    My brother recently learned to tie his shoelaces.We’re very proud.He’s 22.

  • Bryan Posted: May.18 at 4:40 pm
    And what fun would a comment spot be without a little controversy? Sure its the same everyday “lakers suck, cavs rule. LEBRON, NO KOBE” but how interesting would it be to say ” I believe all four teams have an equal chance”

  • Moose Posted: May.18 at 4:40 pm
    ^It wouldn’t be. That’s the problem.^

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 4:41 pm
    You know, with all the insults hurled my way, if I were a Laker fan, I’d be in tears right now!

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 4:43 pm
    Izzo just commited some form of blogging suicide.

  • Moose Posted: May.18 at 4:43 pm
    And to add to Eboy’s comment, if I were a Celtics fan, I would be too! Wait…

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 4:44 pm
    I wonder if I hit Eboy over the head with the blunt end of a shovel, if I could hire Ciolkstar to defend me in the assault case.

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 4:45 pm
    I’d probably get off on self defense.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 4:46 pm
    Yup, I’ll be fighting like a MFer to pay these loans off!

  • Bryan Posted: May.18 at 4:46 pm
    And just to be clear eboy and I do not remotely see eye to eye on the lakers or kobe but I’m tired of people throwing stones his way when 90% of the people here are guilty of the same crime.

  • Moose Posted: May.18 at 4:47 pm
    ^R@pe?^

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 4:47 pm
    man, this used to be fun…

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 4:49 pm
    And Izzo (and for you solely)your age is still some form of a dopey mystery, correct? And it stands to reason that you fall anywhere between the ages of 15 and 30, correct? And since I have a pretty good grasp on what the actual age may be, and a great number of our commenters ages are in relation to yours, you trying to denegrate my knowledge of basketball from the comments I make here kind of makes you a mark for the unintelligable. The youthful unintelligable, at that. For every 14 year old Moose who tries to get his learn on, there’s 15 of you, children trying to preach to adults that they’ve done all and been all. I’m not saying YOU have, I’m making a generalization. BTW, look up mark someday, you’ll understand then.

  • Allenp Posted: May.18 at 4:51 pm
    Moose I would answer your question, but I’d have to kill you…
    I didn’t even watch the Lakers game, I knew the Rockets were going to get blown out.
    I was sewing a quilt.

  • Izzo Posted: May.18 at 4:53 pm
    Wow,imagine what he’d say to someone who wasn’t trying to point out how silly people ganging up on him were.

  • RV Posted: May.18 at 4:54 pm
    jukai, or insanity!

  • Eboy Posted: May.18 at 4:54 pm
    I wasn’t trying to be critical of you. Read….READ!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 4:55 pm
    Laker fans LOVE quilts!

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 4:58 pm
    That isht was confusing, E.

  • Moose Posted: May.18 at 5:06 pm
    @ Allenp: So it will forever be a mystery….
    @ Eboy: Is it good to be 13 on this site? Hah.

  • Izzo Posted: May.18 at 5:10 pm
    Think I might take a leaf out of Myles’ book.This place can get old.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 5:12 pm
    leaf? I guess leaf can mean page, like as in “leaflet”? sorry, work is very boring right now.

  • Izzo Posted: May.18 at 5:14 pm
    That can’t be the first time you’ve heard that expression.

  • Zee! Posted: May.18 at 5:21 pm
    NBA Action….Faaaaatastic!!!

  • showmeyourwits Posted: May.18 at 5:39 pm
    fun fact: Kobe Bryant averaged 31 points and 47.8 percent shooting against the Nuggets compared with 26.6 points and 46.7 percent against the rest of the league, while Carmelo Anthony was at 14.5 points and 32.8 percent against the Lakers and 23.3 points and 45 percent against everybody else. I’d also like to point out that if the Lakers lose, it guarantees that a former Duke player will get a ring (Dahntay, JJ, or Ferry).

  • Graham Flashner Posted: May.18 at 5:42 pm
    Lighten up, folks! Stop SLAMmin’ each other. OK, seriously: this Rockets series should be a good lesson for the Lakers, and I think the Nuggets will be in for a surprise after playing two soft opponents. The Nuggets will rule in Denver, but the matchups and home-court favor the Lakers, there’s no Kobe-stoppers like Battier/Artest, and Bynum’s going to get better the more minutes he gets. I’ll go with the Lake Show in 6.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.18 at 5:59 pm
    I have heard the expression, but its always “page” out of _______’s book, never leaf…

  • Jukai Posted: May.18 at 6:30 pm
    Ciolkstar, think out of the box. Myles clearly has a book filled with different types of leaves from all over the world. He’s a leaf collector.

  • Jackie Moon Posted: May.18 at 7:54 pm
    Moose – so which part do you disagree with? Arrogant? Eboy’s not nearly as smart as he believes himself to be. Check. Wrong? Don’t make me go back and list all of his “predictions” that didn’t pan out. Check. Angry? I would say so. And rude? Yep … and for all those who say that I don’t need to be here, just don’t read it, well, then I would say … you’re probably right. And I have checked in here fewer times in the last month than usual, it’s just that Slam has good content, maybe I’ll just stick to the main posts and ignore the comments section …

  • Moose Posted: May.18 at 8:09 pm
    Jackie, I think that you fail to see the humor in some of Eboy’s jokes–some sarcasm might rub off the wrong way. It’s hard to communicate on the internet well like that. And, with the failed predictions, we all make mistakes. Who would’ve thought that Detroit was going to be an eighth seed while barely making the playoffs? Predictions are only predictions, and I’m sure that we’ve all made some mistakes with this part, Eboy included. And as for the last part of your comment, I for one want more commenters on here for discussion–a lot of the time you add some good value, Jackie–we wouldn’t want to lose another member of the SLAM fam. Give it a few more tries and give Eboy a break.

  • donlaker Posted: May.18 at 8:16 pm
    who gives a fuq about e boy , he lives in his moms basement and thinks people care about his lame always wrong blog, find a real nba fan,
    dude is a wnba wanna be who cant find a date…
    (male)

  • Moose Posted: May.18 at 8:19 pm
    donlaker, he’s married, has a kid and lives in Florida. Shawn Kemp’s Offspring is some good ish too. Do your homework before you start rippin’ the insults.

  • donlaker Posted: May.18 at 8:20 pm
    e boy please take up ballet cause your nba skills
    are on vaction ,like the mavs, celtics, the rockets. and george bush(#2)slam online sucks because of his post(stupid rants )

  • Moose Posted: May.18 at 8:21 pm
    donlaker, if that last comment wasn’t a stupid rant then I’ve never seen one. SLAMonline is also the best bball site out there.

  • donlaker Posted: May.18 at 8:22 pm
    cool, moose let the quag stay in florida with his shawn kemp offspring or whatever , i just want this clown one on one ,on a b ball court
    nuff said

  • Moose Posted: May.18 at 8:26 pm
    Good luck trying to get that one together. Just warning you that the dude averaged 27 points in HS and was recruited by D1 schools.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.18 at 11:46 pm
    Gotta love how Myles Brown keeps up his “i’m done with commenting” charade but still likes to take shots at commenters every once in a while. Sulk much these days, Brown?

  • Anton Posted: May.19 at 12:53 am
    LeBron’s kids can beat Kobe’s kids…anyone?

  • jay Posted: May.19 at 1:13 am
    I dont know about that Anton, those little mamis’ look mighty fiesty to me, just like their momma, they might scratch and bite their way out.

  • Anton Posted: May.19 at 3:12 am
    I feel sorry for those girls once they’re old enough to Google their daddy’s name.

  • Freedom Fries Posted: May.19 at 3:42 am
    What mayhem! Good job kids on the after hours madness. Next contest – who’s the biggest slam flame artist? Slam + flame = slame? Flame + slam = Flam? Y’all some funny mahfaaahs.

  • Freedom Fries Posted: May.19 at 3:42 am
    Ps. For those who are too young to have been in a locker room before (or too thin skinned to have been able to withstand the testockular nonsense) lighten the fluck up. Cats take shots at other cats and take them back – its all part of the game. If you haven’t figured it out yet I caint hepp you.

  • chintao Posted: May.19 at 5:57 am
    I’m with Eboy (and obviously against Jackie Moon, who name-checked me on another post because he couldn’t stand the heat) – Laker fans are whiners, just like their star player. The difference between Angelinos and New Yorkers is that New Yorkers help pile it on if their teams deserve some rebuke. Angelinos just cry. Dianetics-reading, vegetarian-eatin’, yoga-stretchin’ mu’fukkas. Get ready, because Deez Nuggets are going to grill some Kobe beef with a side of Bean.

  • Hursty Posted: May.19 at 6:00 am
    Hmmm… that was a lot of reading.
    Moose- your last comment- that is the only comment showing your age. Other than that, and your strange ‘chimes’ with the ‘^^^’ symbols, you could be considered… similiar intelligence level to most everyone else here.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.19 at 11:13 am
    jesus, i do love it when Chintao’s Lakerhater rage takes over. “dianetics reading bla bla bla, mu’fukkas” was just hilarious.

  • chintao Posted: May.20 at 5:07 am
    The funny thing is, I grew-up on Magic, Worthy, Cooper, Rambis, and Kareem. Looking back, I suppose it may have been a case of the lesser of two evils. After all, how could I go for Parish, McHale, Bird, D.J, and Ainge? Naw, man. Talent aside, that was the ugliest assemblage of homosapiens ever to step on the hardwood.

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