Saturday, May 9th, 2009 at 11:27 pm  |  71 responses

Nuggets/Mavs Game 3 Recap

Some terms for your debate.

by Joey Whelan

Some nights you just know that when you go to sleep, the next morning NBA nation is going to be up in arms in the midst of a heated debate. The no-call on Antoine Wright’s chest bump of Carmelo Anthony should probably do the trick, at least for the folks in Big D, especially now given the League has admitted the officials missed the call. There are plenty of points worth arguing: the officials dropping the ball, ‘Melo not giving up on the play and hitting a tough shot, everyone else assuming a foul would be called, the list goes on and on.

Having spent one year on my junior high school’s debate team I like to think I’m relatively well versed in the proceedings of a formal debate. There’s the resolve or topic of debate, opening statements, cross examinations, rebuttals and closing statements. At the start of each debate, the affirmative team is charged with providing definitions for key terms that are present in the resolve for that debate. That seems like a good starting point for this game given the chatter that is bound to result from the controversial conclusion.

Irony

Definition: a basketball game that features 61 fouls but is ultimately decided by a no-call in the final seconds.

In every game that is decided by just a couple of points, or in this case one point, there comes a point where the action starts to drag as a result of teams fouling one another. Typically that occurs in the final minute; in this game that moment transpired early in the third quarter. The Mavericks and Nuggets shot 89 free throws; 89 free throws! At times this thing looked more like an overdone charity free throw shoot-a-thon than it did an NBA playoff game, to the point where it was possible to walk down the block for a bite to eat and conceivably miss no more than two minutes of actual game time. Four different players attempted more than ten free throws, and only two players who saw more than ten minutes of playing didn’t attempt a freebie. Even more surprising though was that in a game that featured so many trips to the charity stripe, it wasn’t ultimately a major deciding factor since both squads shot 80 percent or better.

Surcease

Definition: Dallas ending either Denver’s control of the 4th quarter or their dominance on the offensive glass.

The Mav’s spent the first two games of this series playing 36 minutes of basketball before ultimately conceding the home court advantage to the Nuggets. Denver went on 4th quarter runs of 26-9 and 16-2 in games one and two respectively to give them their 2-0 advantage, but Dallas decided to buck the trend on their home floor. The Mavericks played a solid second half, at least a stronger one when compared to the first where they spent a lot of the time watching Denver come away with second chance points. Despite generally poor shooting from ‘Melo, Nene and Chauncey Billups in the first half the Nuggets actually had a slight edge going in to the locker room thanks to tireless hustle on the offensive glass. In all, five different Denver players hauled in multiple offensive rebounds, and that was enough to keep the ship afloat before Mr. Big Shot (Billups) pumped in 23 second half points. Even with Billups going off, Dallas didn’t fold in the final 12 minutes of play as they had in the previous two contests, they kept the pressure on the entire way, and actually won the battle of the boards by a margin of 35-28.

Floor General

Definition: a picture of Billups or Jason Kidd; take your pick

It isn’t always necessarily in what manner a player makes an impact, it’s when he makes that impact that counts the most. For both Kidd and Billups they opted for the second half. After laying an egg with 6 points in game two, Billups went to work after the break dropping 23 of his 32, and he did it in his typical efficient fashion. It doesn’t matter how old he gets, Billups always manages to get that extra boost of juice come the postseason. J Kidd on the other hand took us back to the early days in Dallas when he was a fresh faced rook out of Cal. The third quarter belonged to Kidd; whether it was putting the scoring load on his shoulders and attacking Billups himself, or making the nifty pass in transition, for a brief period it was easy to forget that he is on the back end of his career.

Relentless

Definition: Dirk’s effort

Nowitzki wanted this one, not that he didn’t want the first two, but he really wanted this one. You could tell in the way he attacked the glass for 16 rebounds, you could tell in his body language after knocking down jumper after jumper. More than anything though, you could tell in his reaction after the game was over. While many of his teammates were on the floor either jawing with Denver or looking to hunt down an official (Mark Cuban even got in on the action by pushing a camera man), Dirk went straight for the lockers. His shoulders were slumped, his face had a blank expression and he generally looked like a kid who after expecting a snow day was greeted by an army of snow plows the next morning. There is absolutely no silver lining in this outcome for Nowitzki. He played a brilliant game, did everything he could to get his team a win, but due to a botched call, his team is all but finished in the playoffs.

Closing Statement

Did Denver play well enough to win this game? Of course they did. They started the game off shooting poorly, but Dallas shot themselves in the foot by allowing the Nuggets to beat them repeatedly on the offensive boards. Weather early game problems and stay within striking distance: check. They had big games from ‘Melo and Billups, particularly the latter who blew up in the second half when it counted most. When Chris Andersen fouled out in the third quarter Nene and Kenyon Martin kept the adrenaline levels up with a few key plays inside.

The issue isn’t that Denver didn’t do enough to win, it’s that in this game Dallas did just a little bit more. Dirk was huge, he played arguably his best game of the playoffs. When things looked like they were going to start dropping off in the third quarter J Kidd took matters into his own hands and put the Mavs back in the drivers seat heading into the fourth. Josh Howard and Erick Dampier both had foul trouble so Brandon Bass stepped up his offensive production and Ryan Hollins gave quality minutes inside. Dallas did everything right and still couldn’t put a notch in the win column.

Do the officials ultimately take the heat for this one? Absolutely. But maybe this is fate’s way of saying that the Nuggets are going to take this series in the end anyway, regardless of how it’s done. Maybe this is vindication for all the coaches out there who always say to keep playing until the whistle blows, no need to make assumptions before that. Or maybe this just means to keep an eye on Mark Cuban’s twitter posts for the next 24 hours.

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  • Walt Williams Posted: May.9 at 11:31 pm
    first! good no call,he got a lot of ball

  • Tzvi T Posted: May.10 at 12:09 am
    Missed the game, caught the replay. Wright is a fool. Even if it was a foul, kid is a big bust. Him and his other Texas a.m partner (Law) are both busts.

  • clapzilla Posted: May.10 at 12:25 am
    NO FOUL! I Told You Guys Melo Has Gonna Have A Huge Playoffs.

  • [...] Not sure if you saw, but Nuggets-Mavs was a heck of a game. “While many of his teammates were on the floor either jawing with Denver or looking to hunt down an official (Mark Cuban even got in on the action by pushing a camera man), Dirk went straight for the lockers. His shoulders were slumped, his face had a blank expression and he generally looked like a kid who after expecting a snow day was greeted by an army of snow plows the next morning. There is absolutely no silver lining in this outcome for Nowitzki. He played a brilliant game, did everything he could to get his team a win, but due to a botched call, his team is all but finished in the playoffs.” [SlamOnline] [...]

  • Justin Walsh Posted: May.10 at 12:46 am
    horrible no call. the NBA admitted it was a bad no call. End of story, dont bother trying to argue otherwise.

  • Anton Posted: May.10 at 12:50 am
    Dirk’s girlfriend would have fouled him harder.

  • tealish Posted: May.10 at 1:01 am
    Horrible no call. It’s already been said, but the officiating in these playoffs have been too big a storyline and for all the wrong reasons. (as if there is a right one)
    The dude who committed the obvious foul was sort of confused himself. He fouls Melo, then puts his hands up as if to gesture “I didn’t foul him”…. then complains when there’s no call. Just weird. But horrible all-around.

  • Prison Mike Posted: May.10 at 1:04 am
    If Melo missed that shot, Dalls wouldn’t be crying. The odds were in their favor. Lesson: Don’t stop playing until you here a whistle. Melo didn’t.

  • Prison Mike Posted: May.10 at 1:06 am
    Walt and Tealish are right. He got a lot of ball and then put his hands up like he didn’t foul. Ref also didn’t have a good angle.

  • Kevin Wilson Posted: May.10 at 1:09 am
    Tealish beat me to the comment, and Jon Barry is saying the same thing on ESPN. If you’re trying to foul somebody so they don’t get a shot, you use your arms to grab Carmelo so he doesn’t have control of the ball. You use your arms to bear hug Carmelo so the official knows you’re fouling him. You do not stick your arms straight up in the air, which under most circumstances signals to the ref, “I’m not trying to foul him.”

  • FLUD Posted: May.10 at 1:30 am
    If you’re gonna foul someone FOUL ‘EM. Chest bumps won’t do it when guys are throwin’ elbows like Paul P does weird signs! If only they were as closely matched as S.A. and PHO. Then we’d have some drama.

  • Nas Posted: May.10 at 2:11 am
    In that situation, Wright needed to foul him much harder. At least grab and wrap him up. What’s with Wright lifting up his arms as if to say he didn’t foul Melo. Also, play until the whistle, everyone knows that.

  • Jack Posted: May.10 at 2:19 am
    Western Conference Finals are pretty much set then. Antoher good game from Melo, he’s finally coming into his own.

  • phil Posted: May.10 at 2:56 am
    Pathetic officiating. You spend the whole game calling every ticky-tack foul on the floor and in the final seconds when you know there might be an intentional foul on the floor, you decide to call the game stricter. There’s no excuse for this. Can the NBA even be considered a sport when atrocious officiating like this decides games, rather than the players?

  • matt Posted: May.10 at 3:29 am
    Im sick and tired of people whining about officiating. First off let me say that it was a great no call. Wrights hand was all on ball, and unless this is the WNBA finals that is not a foul. Why are people focusing so much on officiating and not basketball. It is the playoffs! i mean F**k were always here complaining about officiating, meanwhile the cavs are destroying the east, the bulls and Celtics played arguably the best playoff series in the past 25 years, and Denver looks like they might actually put up a fight for western conference champions. Im sick of people whining like little bi**hes. If you really love basketball, suck it up like Carmello did and just enjoy these great playoffs.

  • Blinguo Posted: May.10 at 3:30 am
    Trash Can: Was not kicked. Dirk walked off sad/beaten/mentally exhausted/super humble again/whatever and contemplating a lot of life-trouble in his head.

  • Blinguo Posted: May.10 at 3:34 am
    Mark Cubes: Walked around then finally off the court thinking like that dog about “Bacon, Bacon Bacon,” in the Beggin Strips commercial, (ANGRY) “BLOGGIN BLOGGIN BLOGGIN BLOGGIN!”

  • speedy Posted: May.10 at 4:03 am
    I’m a Dallas fan but please why do we complain about a no call .
    In my opinion it’s good if the players decide the game and not the refs.
    One other thing about Dirk he is done for today but not for the next game .

  • Oli Posted: May.10 at 6:05 am
    isn’t it obvious that wright put his arms up because he didn’t want melo to shoot 3 free-throws!

  • VASILIS SPANOULIS (2009 Euroleague MVP) Posted: May.10 at 6:21 am
    Jones dunk was everything….

  • Hisham Posted: May.10 at 7:56 am
    Bad no-call: yes. BUT: even if they did get the cal right and Dallas won, this was going to be that one hard fought, too close to call, exhausting home win for the team that’s going to lose 4-1 anyway, just like the Hornets last series

  • Darksaber Posted: May.10 at 8:04 am
    I hardly ever concede defeat, but this is a 3-0 lead for a team that is clicking even in unsuitable conditions (missing all those shots in the first) and with a SUPERSTAR utilizing all his skill to do his damndest to beat them, (Yeah, that would be Slamonline’s favourite Eurotarget, Dirk Werner)so i think this one is over. I for one am glad that Dirk has been the undisputed best player on the floor these 3 games, personal disputes aside, he might have been joking when he mockingly said “i am a warrior” a few days ago. But fact is, he is. Without a doubt. So is Josh Howard for trying to play on TWO sprained ankles, one which probably requires offseason surgery. Dallas doesn’t match up with the Denver Carolina Blues in the athleticism department, and they have a scoring PG (unlike the Mavs) but this one hurt. i couldn’t stop screaming at the tv early this morning (Southeast Asia), this one hurt. As for Carmelo? That was a superstar shot right there, no time left, locked in on the shot, intentional fouls be damned, he was NOT going to allow a Dallas win. Way to stay focused, a beautiful shot. As for the refs… oh well, enough has been said about them lately.

  • Kevan Posted: May.10 at 8:07 am
    It was a shame for the call to decide this game. What could the ref have been thinking. The next time the NBA investigates game fixing and what refs are involved, I’d look at that referee and see if he’s made other potentially skanky game chaning calls. To all the commenters who chose to make excuse for the refs..Hat’s off to your opinions. I guess winning is what counts, no matter how you win, right??? I have less confidence in the honesty of NBA games and the men who call them..

  • Darksaber Posted: May.10 at 8:08 am
    As for the Nba “statement” conceding the refs mistake, why don’t you use that as a substitute for toilet paper, league? I for one would have prefered no reaction to that crap.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.10 at 8:12 am
    GREAT summary by Joey btw. Loved reading it. Grazie.

  • sab Posted: May.10 at 8:32 am
    agree totally with Darksaber’s last two comments – great job indeed Joey. shame for Dallas, and Dirk, but that’s life… let’s not make this another waa waa waa referees post…

  • phil Posted: May.10 at 11:12 am
    Kevan: It was Mark Wunderlich, the same guy who had the non-call on Fisher in last year’s WCF.

  • catalan Posted: May.10 at 11:21 am
    NBA: where the referee’s betting happens.

  • Gerwin Posted: May.10 at 11:22 am
    Nice comment Darksaber. Totally agree on the NBA statement. Nice way to support your employees…. Who do you think the focus will be on the next game(s)?
    If you need to win a game by fouling one of the other team best players, and not allow him to shoot, how much does that have to do with sportsmanship? Come on, one (non-)call from a referee can’t be the excuse for not being good enough to defeat your opponent. Just face the facts Dallas.

  • Who's Dat Kid? Posted: May.10 at 11:30 am
    so talking about the horrible officiating is called whining?
    it’s not like any of us are playing so it’s an opinion not whining
    you’d have to be an idiot to not realize that some of the officiating in these playoffs have taken away games from other teams
    the NBA needs to be more consistent with the refereeing and that’s that

  • the big ticket Posted: May.10 at 11:38 am
    it could hav been foul on melo until g.green backed of with his hands like he didnt do anything good no call in my opinion

  • Bryan Posted: May.10 at 11:39 am
    Justin as bad as it was don’t you play til you hear the whistle? I bet a million dollars no one would be complaining if Wright contested the shot and melo missed it right?

  • underdog Posted: May.10 at 11:47 am
    Big mistake by the refs, but the hell Wright thought? Maybe it’s just me, but I was taught not to stop play until I hear the sound of whistle.

  • Cub Buenning Posted: May.10 at 12:10 pm
    Postgame, I heard Carlisle say that he assumed that the refs knew they had a foul to give….
    What? They didn’t inform the refs they were going to intentionally foul them?!?!? Coaching blunder, in my opinion, not reffing.

  • Justin Posted: May.10 at 12:15 pm
    You are taught to play until the sound of the whistle, but there wouldn’t have been a whistle in that situation. He did not even foul him. Where in the world are you (few) individuals seeing a foul in that replay anyway? Maybe there was a foul away from the ball because Melo was not touched.

  • underdog Posted: May.10 at 12:43 pm
    In this very situation Skip would have slapped Melo, that’s for sure.

  • MeloMan13 Posted: May.10 at 12:50 pm
    Prison Mike is right. If Melo misses that shot (which would be highly unlikely) the Mavs aren’t crying at all. Wright didnt even foul him hard and if thats what he was tryna do, he shoulda wrapped Melo up.

  • MeloMan13 Posted: May.10 at 12:51 pm
    and I play highschool ball and am reminded every game to PLAY UNTIL THE WHISTLE BLOWS. J-kidd did it but Wright decided the game waasn’t worth it so hes to blame. i told yall, MELO ALL DAY, RIDE OR DIE

  • AlbertBarr Posted: May.10 at 12:55 pm
    Cosign Cub Buenning…Rick Carlisle is to blame for the refs not being totally aware of Dallas’ intent to foul. Antoine Wright also just barely fouled him…most games we wouldn’t want the refs to call that…good defense, bad tactical mistake.

  • Danny W Posted: May.10 at 1:03 pm
    If Wright was gonna foul him, foul him properly, don’t let him get the ball up at all. If you’re playing tough play off D, then at least face guard him. I think the fumble made Wright hesitate, then he thought he’d not foul him, then decided he would, then missed the opportunity, then got scared he’d fouled him ‘in the act’ and bailed out. Imagine what Chuck Daly woulda made of Wright’s foul/Defense attempt……Denver Nuggets = Bad Boys 2K9, and enough to bounce Kobe if they keep this up

  • Danny W Posted: May.10 at 1:04 pm
    PS. F**kin great shot by Melo

  • [...] take on the nail biter. Over at Slam Magazine there is a great line by Joey Whelan, who says “a basketball game that features 61 fouls but is ultimately decided by a no-call in the final seconds“. Have to agree with that one! Finally the people over at “The Two Man Game” use [...]

  • Quail Posted: May.10 at 2:07 pm
    if it wasnt called, it wasnt a foul. simple as that. let it go haters.

  • SK Posted: May.10 at 2:10 pm
    @ Danny W:
    Agreed. It looked like the ref was behind Carmelo and that the same ref was looking at Carmelo’s feet to see whether it would be a 3-pt shot or not. And I agree with the people saying Wright should have wrapped him up instead of looking like he was going for a steal, and then lifting his arms up a bit after as if to emphasize he didn’t make too much contact. Mavs screwed it up. Why depend on the ref when you can foul a second earlier.
    Good for Carmelo too, he still regrouped and put up a tough enough shot to win it.

  • Thomas Posted: May.10 at 2:10 pm
    to all the people that just respond by saying if you foul do it properly etc etc
    if you try to stop the clock by fouling properly you get ejected from the game by receiving a flagrant 2 just like artest did for his foul on gasol…. and this my friends leads to a dilemma for nba players in close playoff games as they are confussed what to do… foul the guy in order to stop the clock and risk getting thrown out of the game or just foul him like wright did (and he did it TWICE mind you) and… you all know the result so I don’t have to evaluate… horrible officiating all the way… I’m extremely pissed because now the series is 100% over…

  • Jacob Posted: May.10 at 2:18 pm
    Wright just threw himself at Carmelo and expected the foul, im glad they didnt call it, but like danny said, that was a great f**king shot

  • luke Posted: May.10 at 2:57 pm
    Wright actually put his hands up like he wasn’t trying to foul..own fault,shoulda fouled him harder.

  • luke Posted: May.10 at 3:02 pm
    Dallas are a bunch of whiny little b*tches…if they wanted to foul..hack Melo or SOMETHING..he chest bumped him and then threw his hands up like he WASN’T trying to foul…bunch of f*cking scrubs haha especially Wright…series over!! :)

  • bbaby Posted: May.10 at 3:07 pm
    All the Nuggets fans should really stop saying it wasn’t a foul, because it was. And yes, Dirk outplayed Melo and he has all series. But it’s not like the Mavs were gonna win the series anyway.

  • riggs Posted: May.10 at 3:29 pm
    @Thomas: wtf are you talking about? you can wrap him up that doesnt equal a flagrant 2, he couldve also fouled him way before that but he was waiting on the time to run out.

  • BETCATS Posted: May.10 at 3:32 pm
    its better Dallas lost, they werent going to win and they would trick themselves into thinking they had a chance. Denver is the best team in the entire western conference, Dallas doesnt have a shot in hell at stoping them.

  • clapzilla Posted: May.10 at 5:04 pm
    The Lakers Are Down 27 To The Yao-Less Rockets. The Nuggets Pulled Off A Gut-Check Win To Go Up 3-0. Who Trusts The Lakers More Than The Nuggets At This Point?

  • tealish Posted: May.10 at 5:53 pm
    You guys who are saying “if Melo misses the shot, the Mavs won’t be crying” are just silly. No sh*t. That doesn’t take away from the fact that it was a thoroughly blown call.

  • Caleb Posted: May.10 at 6:17 pm
    Mavs got robbed. I’m of the opinion that officating only rarely effects the outcome… but it certainly did in this game. The officating in the playoffs has been laughable this season… it’s embarassing and really frustrates me as a fan.

  • Caleb Posted: May.10 at 6:24 pm
    And I agree tealish… that’s a stupid argument. Not relevant.

  • Eazy Yi Posted: May.10 at 6:36 pm
    Another dumb play. I play high school level basketball and even we would have the knowledge to know if you’re trying to foul someone you fully do it and take the ball out of their hands so as to stop a continuation play or to make it a clear call for the refs. Dirk is amazing, people have no reason to hate and if they do, as childish as I feel for bringing it up, it I’d just ignorance and potentially racist. The Mavericks deserved to lose the game when they didn’t take control of the situation and instead left it in the hands of the third party, the referees.

  • Eazy Yi Posted: May.10 at 6:38 pm
    * it is just ignorance… On iPod. No good with the keyboard

  • Drew Posted: May.10 at 6:55 pm
    It was a foul. Bad call. But there were lots of bad calls in that game. The foul on Dante Jones earlier in the game when he backed away and didn’t even touch the guy was way worse. And if a foul was called, the Nuggs still had a chance to make a shot. The Mavs let the Nuggets hang around, and it cost them. The refs didn’t cost them the game. They did it to themselves.

  • Pieman Posted: May.10 at 8:09 pm
    MeloMan13, I’m a Denver fan and a Melo fan as much as the next man, but you gotta stop d-riding on Melo. You look like a fool.

  • CDef28 Posted: May.10 at 8:37 pm
    That’s why I love Carmelo’s game. While most players would have stopped playing (LeBron), he plows right through the contact and nails the three.

  • nate the great Posted: May.10 at 8:54 pm
    good no call. idk why we are arguing it.

  • FoCo Posted: May.11 at 2:57 am
    All the Dallas fans complaining how it was “clearly a foul” are kidding yourselves just as much as you claim the Nuggets fans are. Sure the league called it one two hours later (another blunder in my opinion) but they only did that because of the amount of whining people have been doing about officiating in the playoffs this year and all the publicity its gotten. Not to mention the conspiracy theorists that Cuban and the fans are. Pressured into making that announcement by a vocal group’s opinion, Wright and the coach’s statements they wanted to foul (what else do you expect them to say?), and a very public analysis of other good/bad/blown calls this postseason and what did it all do? Threw their crew under the bus and didn’t make anybody feel any better. You are also not being entirely truthful shouting about how that decided the game. The game was decided by a total of one basket. Any of the 61 fouls called in the game affected the outcome just as much as the non-call at the end. They all gave points to one team or took the ball away from the other. There was also time left…who is to say the Nuggets don’t drain a 3 on the inbound? Or tie it up and run away with it in OT? Or lose? Nobody knows and acting like you do is not being truthful.

  • bigdoggchad Posted: May.11 at 8:44 am
    Can’t believe everyone saying Dirk has been the best player in this series. He better score at least 30 when he is facing single coverage all game. Let any great scorer face single coverage all game and they will get 30+. Plus irk has played any D.

  • bigdoggchad Posted: May.11 at 8:45 am
    hasn’t played any D.

  • MeloMan13 Posted: May.11 at 10:37 am
    @Pieman: Im D*ckriding because I’m bigging up my favorite player for the biggest shot of his career? get outaaa herrre. WHO ARE U ANYWAYS?

  • Bear Posted: May.11 at 11:16 am
    Doesn’t matter whether it was a good or bad no-call…what matters is that DENVER WON!! Go Melo & Billups.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.11 at 1:54 pm
    Carmelo is clutch. The foul probably should’ve been called, but you gotta give him credit for playing through the contact. The guy has a proven history of hitting game winners. He hasn’t had much playoff success up untill this season, but I’m really hoping he does something special in the WCF because a Nuggets-Cavs Finals would be incredible.

  • ciolkstar Posted: May.11 at 2:02 pm
    ..and Wright make the mistake of just trying to reach and bump Melo, instead of wrappng him up, and then he inexplicably pulls his hands away. I think melo didn’t have great control of the ball at the time of the reach, which could contribute to the refs deciding not to call a foul there. Carlisle also coud’ve notified the refs that they intended to foul. This was one reason why fouling in those situations is so risky.

  • truthteller Posted: May.11 at 4:59 pm
    I hope Wright learned his lesson; the next time he’s instructed to intentionally foul a player,do it HARD!

  • Dacre Posted: May.12 at 1:25 am
    Quail Posted: May.10 at 2:07 pm
    if it wasnt called, it wasnt a foul. simple as that. let it go haters.
    ________________________________________________
    That was a strange comment.

  • Darksaber Posted: May.12 at 2:07 am
    Dirk Werner Nowitki: the definition of “putting your team on your freaking back”. Nice game, Dirk.

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