Monday, May 4th, 2009 at 12:24 pm  |  36 responses

Early Entry And On The Fence

Should I stay or should I go?

by Joey Whelan

The NBA officially declared the start of draft season with the release of the early entry candidate list on Thursday afternoon. The 103 names present were the typical combination of college hoops stars coupled with plenty of names that will leave even the most die hard fan scratching his or her head.

It’s inevitable that every year plenty of players with absolutely no chance of being selected in June submit their names to the powers above that be (the League offices) to announce their intention of going for the gold. This year is no exception with the likes of Kevin Harris from Northwest Mississippi Community College and Junior Salters of Wofford throwing their hats in the ring. Sometimes it can even make for a fun team building activity. Such is the case for Texas A&M who essentially has their entire roster listed as early entry candidates, all of whom have the same shot that I have of playing in the League next year.

But, this isn’t about the guys with no shot. This certainly isn’t about the guys who are locks. This is about the question marks, those handful of players who feel the need to test the NBA waters before deciding what everyone wants to know: stay or go? Here’s a breakdown of some of the more interesting cases of college players looking to get feedback on their stock before choosing to remain in past the June 15 withdrawal deadline or jump ship for another year of higher hoops learning. (Note: Players who have already signed with agents and must remain in the Draft will not be discussed.)

Austin Daye

There are few players in the draft discussion right now that spark as much intrigue as Gonzaga’s sophomore forward. At 6-10 with a skill set that screams small forward in the future, Daye has as much upside as anyone else in this year’s draft class. There are certainly questions about his maturity, his grasp of the game and his rail thin frame, factors that are enough to convinAustin Dayece many pundits that Daye should return to school for another year of seasoning. Let’s not forget that many are calling this a down year for the draft though and with the NBA Draft focusing so much on selecting based on potential these days, Daye will likely hear his name somewhere in the first round if he is able to impress in individual workouts.

Recommendation: Go

Greivis Vasquez

It seems the better that Maryland’s Greivis Vasquez gets on the court, the more of a lightning rod for controversy he becomes off it. No one can deny the tremendous talent the junior guard shows, particularly as a playmaker when the ball is in his hands. At 6-6, Vasquez has outstanding size for a point guard and is a tremendous passer both in half court and open floor situations. He can get to the basket and a regular basis and has shown improvements with his shot selection on the perimeter. Still, it will be his PG skills that will be his ticket to a steady paycheck. What’s the problem then? His mouth! Vasquez has seemingly talked himself off many draft boards despite his potential. Whether it be getting into it with fans and opposing coaches, or the infamous comments he made about Memphis prior to the Terps meeting with the Tigers in the second round of the NCAA Tournament. Several scouts and GM’s have said that the attitude alone is enough to scare them away from spending a pick on the Terps enigmatic floor general. If he is smart, Vasquez will return for his senior year and keep his mouth shut.

Recommendation: Stay

Damion James

James has had the attention of pro scouts for a couple of years thanks to his impressive physical attributes and gaudy numbers. The junior power forward is certainly undersized at 6-7, but his tremendous wingspan and solid athleticism seem to indicate that down the road he could be mentioned in the same breath as a Jason Maxiell, as a hard working role player who provides quality minutes inside. In most years it would probably be necessary for James to go back to Texas for his senior year, but with a weak crop of big men (which is why Jordan Hill will go top 10) it would be smart for him to capitalize on this opportunity as next year might be tougher for him to crack the second round.

Recommendation: Go

Scottie Reynolds

Villanova’s scoring machine would be wise to return to school for a few reasons. First off, with one of the top recruiting classes in the nation set to arrive on campus in the fall, the Wildcats will be in prime position to get back to the Final Four next season. More importantly though, this draft class is very strong at the point guard position. Reynolds is a combo guard right now, but given his size and an average perimeter shot, he will almost certainly have to be true point guard at the next level. Not that he isn’t capable of being a pass first player, but last season Reynolds attempted nearly four shots for every assist he dished out, a statistic that says very directly: scoring guard. This class is so loaded with not only good point guards, but good combo guards as well, that Reynolds likely doesn’t even crack the top ten at his position.

Recommendation: Stay

Jrue Jrue HolidayHoliday

After being hailed as potentially the top incoming guard in this year’s freshman class, Holiday’s first season with the Bruins was an underwhelming one. Certainly this wasn’t entirely his fault by any stretch of the imagination. After it looked like Darren Collison was going to bolt for the NBA, Holiday was forced to play off the ball with the return of the star senior. In addition, the UCLA system was ultra restrictive to a player like Holiday who is exceptionally talented at improvising with a basketball in his hands. This is the type of player who is really going to stand out during individual workouts where he’ll have the ability to show off his strong point guard skill set. Scouts have been and are still high on Holiday, so he will be a first round pick and depending on his workouts could land in the top 15 spots.

Recommendation: Go

Jodie Meeks

How much fun was Kentucky to watch this season thanks to Meeks and his ever impressive scoring feats? It would seem that a player who scorches Tennessee for 54 and regularly drops 30+ on the rest of the SEC would be an automatic to leave after his junior season. That’s the hard concept for many to understand, that success in college doesn’t always equal success in the NBA, even when the numbers are this good. At 6-4 Meeks is a bit undersized for a pro shooting guard and more importantly he is a volume shooter. This is a guy who needs the ball in his hands a majority of the time in order to get his points and is also the focal point of his offense. In the League Meeks is not going to get as many opportunities for shots and will have to be more able to create for himself rather than having the offense geared towards getting him the ball. At this point he looks very much like a mid second round selection, so why not go back for another year of tearing up the SEC and trying to improve his stock?

Recommendation: Stay

Derrick Brown

This is a name that many college basketball fans may not be as familiar with as some of the others on the list, but it could be come June. Brown doesn’t jump off the page at all statistically, mainly due to the balance that Xavier featured this year, but physically he presents plenty to like. A long 6-8 frame, combined with good athleticism allows Brown to play the four spot in college, but gives him the potential to make the transition out to the wing as well. Brown plays bigger than he is, a major plus for a hybrid power forward, but he has also shown an improving perimeter game, to the point where he is a legitimate threat to can an open three. This is another example of a player who will benefit from a weaker class of big men and needs to strike while opportunity is knocking. In other years Brown might go undrafted, but if he impresses enough in workouts he should keep his name in past the deadline as he’ll land in the upper half of the second round.

Recommendation: Go

Luke Harangody

When it comes to Luke Harangody, there may not be a tougher situation to read in this draft. As far as individual accomplishments are concerned, Notre Dame’s burly forward has done just about all there is to do. He’s been an All-American and he’s averaged 20 and 10 for two straight years in arguably the toughest conference in the country. It rarely is pretty when it comes to Harangody, but he always finds a way to get the job done and there is a lot to be said for that. With that said though he is severely undersized for the post in the NBA at a generous 6-8, and unlike other smaller big men, he doesn’t have much athleticism to speak of. The general comparisons to Tyler Hansbrough are only natural, but Psycho T is a better athlete and shows the ability to step away from the basket on a consistent basis when necessary. Going back and having another big year in South Bend won’t do much to change the opinions of NBA scouts at this point, so Harangody might as well try to take advantage of a draft that is lacking in quality big men. Still, the odds seem to be pretty long for the Irish star to hear his name called on draft night.

Recommendation: Go

Jarvis VaJarvis Varnadornado

The Mississippi State big man had a very solid junior campaign, reaching career highs in scoring and rebounding. Despite nearly doubling the number of shots he took, Varnado still managed to shoot almost 55 percent from the floor. As much talk as there has been about big men taking advantage of this draft, Varnado is a guy who would benefit tremendously from another year in the college ranks. His offensive game has very much been a work in progress since his freshman season and the work is paying dividends. He may have the most upside of any post player in the SEC right now (that includes Patrick Patterson, crazy I know) but there is no denying the defensive impact he has, averaging 4.6 bpg. If Varnado can improve his offensive game and numbers even further next year we’re talking about not just a guy who will be drafted, but as a borderline first round pick.

Recommendation: Stay

Nick Calathes

In a draft that is chock full of talented point guards, Calathes possesses one ever important characteristic many of the other don’t have: above average size. At 6-6 the Florida Gator floor general has excellent size for the next level and an equally as impressive game to go along with it. There isn’t too much to not like about Calathes’s game; he is an efficient scorer, rebounds well for a guard, distributes the ball very well and shows good defensive instincts. If Florida looked poised to make a deep run into March there might be more incentive for him to return, but even with there being so much talent at his position in this draft class, Calathes is still going to likely land in the first round.

Recommendation: Go

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  • Ken

    I agree Vasquez should stay.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    great evaluations Joey. Good stuff. Hey I got a missed call from a Maryland cell number- was that you? I know you rock the house in Marylaaaaand.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I wonder if Daye would be a good pick at #15 for the Pistons?

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    Yes it would be.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    There are plenty of players who talk alot in college and end up getting drafted in the lottery. I’m not saying Vazquez is a lottery pick, but he is a definite top-20 talent and Gary Williams never has had a problem with him effort-wise. I think he should come out.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    TAD, its not about just that- it’s that some NBA GM’s have taken GV OFF of their draft boards ENTIRELY because of HOW he goes about talking trash. I hate to say it, but GV needs to stay in school, he could go undrafted because of his mouth this year.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Wait, Greviez should stay because he runs his mouth? How is that gonna change in a year? I think its silly for teams to put So much stock into that. Its pretty tough for me to imagine his stock getting much higher in terms of ball. I’d actually love it if the Spurs took him with their late first round pick…

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Walsh, I respect your knowledge, what do you mean by “how” he goes about talking trash?

    And as much as I’ve criticized Daye, he would likely be a terrific value at #15, and could allow the Pistons to part ways with Tayshaun and begin the rebuilding.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    ciolk, I mean it’s not just trash talking players during games, it’s trash talking COACHES and REFS during games, it’s disrespecting entire traditions at opposing courts, it’s just the fact that this season, GV made it seem like he was uncoachable and uncontrollable. And if he goes back to school and shuts his dang mouth it’ll be fine. JJ talked mad trash when he was a freshman and sophomore and junior and it got him in trouble OFTEN. He went back, shut the heck up, and his rep was fine. You can totally fix your reputation in college with one solid year.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Isn’t the fact that Vazquez trash talked coaches and refs as well as players just prove he has a well rounded game?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Joey Whelan

    Justin, thanks for the kind words. I don’t think that was me calling from Maryland, I’m still rocking the NJ area code on my cell, so if you see 201, that’s probably me haha.

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  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    I’ll await that 201! haha. TAD, I think you’re being sarcastic- if so: good form.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Very much Justin. Joey/Justin: What are your thoughts on Dejuan Blair and his pro prospects? I like Blair because he has NBA size, can finish with either hand, and can rebound. I’m afraid because of his height that he won’t be a very good PF in the league. I’m asking because I know Joe Dumars likes him a lot, but the Pistons already have Jason Maxiell.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Joey Whelan

    TAD, Maxiell is probably the best comparison there is right now for Blair. Both are undersized with excellent strength and huge wingspans. Maxiell I think is a bit more athletic though. He can certainly be a decent rotational player if he develops a mid range J, and he’ll be able to defend the pick and roll decently due to his length. I see him landing late first round at this point, workouts could help or hurt that for sure.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I wouldn’t mind the Pistons grabbing Blair with one of the three early 2nd round picks they have, if indeed he does last that long. If he is Jason Maxiell with less athleticism, then he isn’t worth the #15 pick.

  • tony_the_tiger

    Good work Joey. I like the article. Good guys you picked to write about. THEY’REEE GRRREEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Daye isn’t even ready to compete in college yet.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    I think Blair can become a solid roleplaying bigman. a 12 and 8 kinda guy

  • http://where-basketball-b-longs.blogspot.com B. Long

    I don’t see any possible way that Nick Calathes would go in the first round this year. Unless someone bombs a bus full of actual 1st round pg’s on the way to the draft, it ain’t happening.

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    I could see the Spurs going after Blair with their late first rounder, his girth and rebounding could fit nicely next to Tim. I’m just hoping we draft a guy who will actually get to play.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    ciolk, I’m not sure they draft Blair. I would think because of this first round exit they go more on a higher ceiling guy. Just my opinion. Blair WOULD be a good pick for the Spurs, should they draft him. and B, I agree, Nick will never be a first rounder this year or next- there are just too many

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    Yeah, Walsh I agree, the problem is that we never draft those guys and we actually give them minutes even more rarely. Personally I’d LOVE to see us try to buy or trade for another mid first rounder to go after an atheletic slasher type, but I’ve learned not to get my hopes up. A guy like GV could help to fill the potential hole Manu has left, and we need some more youth and atheleticism in the frontcourt.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m not sure Nick Calathes is THAT bad. The one knock on Calathes that really hurts is that he would be slow for the next level. However, his size, knowledge, and passing ability should be able to negate his speed deficiency. I would still stay one more year in college if I were him though.

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi T

    good work, Joey.

  • Jacob

    Meeks should stay one more year, I do agree with you on that, but I dont think that Daye or Harangody should enter the draft this year, but thats just me

  • http://ittakesanationofmillionstoholdthissac.blogspot.com ciolkstar

    If Harangody thinks he’s go in the first round he should come out NOW, I don’t see his stock going any higher (his stats were about as good as they’ll ever get) and I don’t see him ever being anything more than the 12th man on an NBA team. I mean Hansborough would’ve probably been drafted a little higher had he come out last season, right? And he’s way more atheletic than Gody and a better shooter. Get that guaranteed paper while you can.

  • Quail

    i think the pistons need to decide wut players they will keep and wut players they won’t keep before they worry about their draft picks. they’re obviously getting rid of Sheed, Iverson, McDyess and probably Prince. so a good pick for them would probably be a combo forward. So more than likely, they will get Daye and they might get Blair.

  • vic21

    so the pistons would be working with what? Stuckey, Rip, maybe Prince, Maxiell, Blair?
    That sounds like they’re gonna be very close to pick Xavier Henry the next draft

  • Twin Paradox

    GV reminds me of John Gilchrist somehow…that would be kinda sad. As for Austin Daye I’m just scared someone will break him in two like a toothpick…dammit he’s thin

  • http://SLAMONLINE.COM Domo

    How u gonna tell jrue Holiday to go but Jodie Meeks stay..? Thats the most ironic, senseless recommodation I’ve ever saw…Jodie is by far better…Im gohost!!

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I think every player should declare for the NBA….just to stuff it in Sternbots face….somehow it would.

  • Groves mind freeze

    Nick Calathes is gonna be great i think. and better still he goes to florida where my auntie and uncle work.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    Even though UCLA’s system may have not fit Holiday to his liking, I still think dude should stay one more year. Everytime I saw him hoop he looked like he couldn’t even hang on to his dribble for more than 5 seconds. Dude looked nervous. He did better as the year went along but the guy didn’t have a Demar Derozan type turn-around. play wit it.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Justin Walsh

    A DEMAR MENTION. Good DP.

  • Quail

    lets say Holiday and Meeks should both stay. Jodie needs one more year and Jrue wasnt a huge standout this year. Being on the subject, Patterson should stay at Kentucky too. If they both come back, we get a decent SF, and Wall signs with us, Kentucky will be back in business either this year or next.

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