Wednesday, June 13th, 2007 at 3:36 pm  |  171 responses

Links: NBA Finals Diary, Day 7

“Dude, what in the world were you thinking?”

by Lang Whitaker

Tuesday! Or is it Wednesday? I’m not sure. I just know that three games are done, and we just need the Spurs to win one more game and I get to go home. I’m really hoping I’ll get to go home soon.

This morning I had to wake up early and do a radio interview, and the hosts apologized for waking me up so early. I pointed out that it was fine since I got to sleep through most of the game last night. No, it wasn’t a very exciting game. The highlight was definitely bumping into the Sternbot on the way to our seats.

I went over to practice this morning, which was depressing. The Cavs were all saying the right things — we’ve just got to play hard, anything can happen, we can play better, blah blah blah — but let’s be honest about this: there’s not much chance that the Cavs are going to win the NBA Finals. You can witness, you can believe, you can rise up, but you can’t beat the Spurs. Not this year.

With the Finals basically decided, unless LeBron and the Cavs can pull off the greatest comeback in the history of modern civilization, last night in the media hospitality suite I started coming up with people who should be considered for MVP of the Finals; basically, which people had the biggest impact on this year’s Finals without actually playing in the Finals?

I immediately came up with a few names and before long a bunch of media folk were throwing names around: Brian McIntyre, Baron Davis (knocked out the Mavs), Marc Iavaroni (didn’t keep Amare and Diaw on the bench), Amare and Diaw (for getting tossed), Flip Saunders, Stu Jackson. The list could go on and on. (And it continued going on and on this morning at practice while chatting with a few writers. I think someone you all should be reading on a bigger site is going to run with this idea and do a whole column on it.)

Anderson Varejao also merits a mention, because of that insane shot he threw up last night that drew nothing but glass. Why did LeBron pass him the ball? I think because Bron probably thought Andy would throw it right back to him. but he didn’t. Instead he took it upon himself to go one-on-one against Tim Duncan, which was a total disaster.

Who should really win the MVP? I think Tim Duncan will probably win it, but Tony Parker is just as deserving. He’s torched Cleveland’s guards again and again, plus he’s got one of the hottest chicks in the game wearing his chain. Last night a Spurs official I spoke with also nominated Bruce Bowen, pointing out he’s mostly contained LeBron and he will probably end up leading the Spurs in minutes played in the Finals.

But Parker hasn’t had much of an impact defensively — just because the Cavs guards can’t shoot doesn’t mean they aren’t getting wide-open jumpers — and Bowen’s contributions are probably a little too abstract. Duncan, however, is the rock for the Spurs, always there demanding double teams and more often than not scoring when they don’t double him. With each game he plays, Duncan cements his status as the best power forward to ever play the game.

Otherwise, things are slow here in Cleveland today. Sam and I ate lunch at the Hard Rock Cafe, mainly because we’d never been there before. It was totally unmemorable. Now we’ve got the rest of the day to kill. There’s a media barbeque somewhere tonight, but I’m not really fired up for that. We’ve reached the point where it’s all downhill from here. And I just want it to end. I was reading the game story in USA Today this morning and I read this quote from Duncan…

“It doesn’t change at all,” Tim Duncan said of the Spurs’ approach. “We need to get one more. That’s it…we’ll come out and try to finish it then. If it takes one or two more, we’re willing to do that.”

I read that and actually yelled, No! Not one or two more! One more, Spurs! Win this thing and let us all be free of these Finals. Would it be amazing if the Cavs came back and won four in a row? Yes it would, but I just don’t think it’s happening. These are San Antonio’s Finals. We are just witnesses.

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  • Holiday

    And Nacho makes a good point, not to mention game 4 of the Utah series was real scetch, I was there and I couldn’t believe what I was seeing! The refing issue’s really need to be resolved!

  • DEVILb0y

    in the words of tony parker..bring out the LE Broom, sivouple…or whatever..

  • Azza Buck

    Holiday, dude its clear your a fan of Utah and the mailman and you are looking through rose colored glasses. The word you need to know is objectivity. Now I am no fan of Malone nor for that matter Duncan, i respect both of these individuals games and achievements. However, Tim Duncan is clearly a way better player and the greatest PF of all time because he is superior to Malone in almost every way. Scoring in the post, Defence, passing and rebounding is probably equal, TD is a better shotblocker, and most importantly what elevates him higher than Malone are his four rings. Malone none as a franchise player, TD 4.
    Any way ya want to analyze it, TD has him covered in almost every aspect.

  • http://www.friendster.com/sesa Sesa

    What’s the policy of commenting in here?
    I don’t really understand?
    I’ve been banned twice and I don’t swear.
    Someone, please enlighten me.

  • Allenp

    Man, HOliday is funny. I said Duncan has had to compete with KG, Sheed, Dirk, Zack, Pau, Reef, Webber, Amare, McDyess and whoever else was a beast at the four during his career.

    And he replied “KG is on the decline.” That’s classic. It ignores the entire gist of the argument. All those players I named have been good while Duncan was good. One of them, KG, is a Hall of Famer. I don’t see how you can argue that Malone had a “tougher” road as a power forward. And this stuff about how is tall is stupid. Duncan is taller than Karl, but Karl was WAY more athletic. So why are we arguing about who was taller? Shawn Bradley was taller than everybody and that didn’t make him good.

  • mark

    No way is Malone better than Duncan. Not even onhis best day. I wouldn’t even put Malone above Mchale. The Spurs would have beat the Jazz in Tim’s rookie year if he hadn’t been hurt.

  • DK52

    @AllenP-Malone’s competitors included Worthy, Rodman, Laimbeer, McHale, Chambers, Barkley, Kemp, Webber, Rasheed, and a young Duncan and Garnett. Out of all these Power forwards it was Malone who was an All Star starter every single year. That is a little more competition than Duncan is facing now. Duncan is indeed a future hall of famer, he’s great and I respect him mightily, but he is no Karl Malone. Sorry folks.

  • Allenp

    McHale versus Malone is arguable. I think McHale was clearly better as a post up force, but the fact that he was never the main scoring threat and that he played with two other hall of fame front court players weakens his overall case. I would probably take McHale over Malone if I was starting a team, mainly because I’m a sucker for an up and under move.

  • Allenp

    Four of the players you named also competed with Duncan. And not only has Duncan never failed to make an All-Star, he’s also been All-NBA first team, and All-NBA defense for nearly his entire career. So, I don’t think it really makes sense to compare All-Star records for the two. Malone has more, but he’s played longer as well. Like I said, as a basketball observer I see Duncan as a better post scorer, a better passer and a better defender. I think he’s also a better rebounder, but that’s debatable. Malone is the better overall scorer as evidenced by his impressive scoring totals and season averages. It’s just my opinion and I think the fact that this discussion has gone on for so long is proof that it is a valid opinon. You are welcome to your opinion though.

  • DK52

    @AllenP good points on McHale he was indeed the master of the up and under. No way he is better than Malone though. Malone also played with Hornacek one of the purest shooters this game has ever seen and the best Point man ever. Malone is a better perimeter defender than Duncan is. Malone was far more physical, but Duncan is a shot blocking force, and better on the block. Malone liked to dunk on people in his prime, which Duncan doesn’t do enough of. Duncan doesn’t define the word Power in Power Forward. As far as passing, and rebounding both are debatable. But as far as championships no comparison there for Duncan, but I still have to give the edge to Malone. By the time the year 2015 gets here I may change my mind, but saying Duncan is the best ever after only 10 years is insane. (Injury plagued years for that matter)

  • Allenp

    Good point on the injuries, although they’ve only prevented his team from competing for a chip one year. Remember, Duncan was on one foot last year, and still led the Spurs to the WCF. I’m going to have to disagree with you on Malone’s perimeter defense. And, on the block, I still have the tapes of Rodman frustrating the hell out of him and turning him into a 260 pound jumpshooter.

  • Holiday

    Your right Allenp duncan did play against all those guy but so did malone and in his late thirtys past his prime, yet he was all-star in those years and competed very well past his prime against those guys and still produced pretty damn good numbers! and Im not so sure Duncan has the edge with passing, Malone was a damn good passer just never really had anyone to pass to! Although when he moved to LA I thought he showed how great a passer he could have been!

  • Holiday

    Oh and people forget that with a clown of a center like Ostertag, and before that not really having anyone to defend down low since Mark Eaton, Malone had to guard alot of centers like Mourning, Ewing, Shaq at times, among others which Duncan put his height down as 6’11 do avoid playing these guys, not to mention having guys like Robinson, Nesterovic, Kevin Willis, Malik Rose, among others and now Oberto and Elson to handle the guys he should be guarding which makes me question how good a defender he really is if he has to dodge the bigger guy’s!

  • Holiday

    And I just wanna add that in the 2004 playoffs Malone with a bum knee two damn good forwards in Houston, before moving on to San Antonio to shut down none other than Tim “The Iceman” Duncan, and after moving on put the brake’s on Da Kid KG, before messing his knee up again while still trying to play against Detroit before LA’s staff forbid him from re-entering the game! Seems his defense wasn’t that bad!

  • Holiday

    I know I messed up a couple of words among other things but I think you get the point!

  • http://hi5.com TripleThreat

    Mailman over TD, LMFAO. 0 Rings to 4.

  • http://hi5.com TripleThreat

    It’s all about the Chips.

  • http://www.myspace.com/aydreeyun Esco

    Being an All-Star all those years is fine. But those are fan votes. If people like you and vote for you, you will end up an All-Star. Malone was great during his career, he deserved those ALl-Star selections, but after a while the All-Star selections were just people who still liked him and picked him. Not because he was still a dominant force. I would pick Duncan over Malone, just for his all around game. And I don’t care what argument you come up with, you CANNOT ignore 3 (soon to be 4) rings, you simply can not. People would do ANYTHING just to get a ring. Example, Malone going to the Lakers, taking a salary cut and not playing as much as he would like. All of that for a ring. As much as you would like to make it seem that a ring is not all that important, to those guys who play their hearts out everyday, it’s everything. Think about that.

  • http://www.myspace.com/aydreeyun Esco

    And I don’t even like Duncan.

  • Allenp

    Holiday, are you really saying that the Jazz made their best offensive threat guard the opposition’s best offensive post player even though he was about four inches shorter?

    Cause that’s what it seems like your saying when you claim that Malone guarded Hakeem, Ewing, Shaq and Mourning. I would be willing to wager that Jerry Sloan and Pop have both avoided having their best offensive threat play defense against the opposition’s best offensive threat because that’s a great way for your team to lose. Ostertag guarded most of the players you named and EAton did that before him. Duncan is a much better off the ball defender than Malone because he actually blocks shots while Malone was known primarily to strip down low. This is crazy.

  • Allenp

    And did you really attribute the Laker’s success in 2004 to Malone? Wow. That’s just, wow. They shut down Duncan? wow

  • Holiday

    Well Eaton retired in 93 and Ostertag didn’t get there till 96 and nobody starts a rookie unless your Lebron James! Oh and Karl was a hell of a lot stronger than Duncan ever has been helping him keep guy’s outta the paint and forcing jump shots, and the whole deal with Duncan being taller is that he had an advantage with shot blocking Moron! I guess you just couldn’t figure that one out huh!

  • Holiday

    Your an idiot, I was simply talking about the defense he played against your hero Duncan and Kg in those series! and yeah if you watched it was all the announcers talked about was how a 40 year old guy could defend these young guy’s in there prime so well to lower there stat’s from the season and the earier rounds believe me I took note of that!

  • mark

    This is a never ending arguement. It is all about preferences. Give me Duncan over just about anyone that ever played if I have the 1st pick in the all-time draft. Give me Duncan and you can have Malone or Jordan – Tragic – Bird whoever you want. I’ll take Duncan and then with the second pick — since it is all time draft — I will take Len Bias….and we can go from there.
    Not saying Duncan is the best player ever – I am just saying if I was starting a team in the virtual world and there was an all-time draft – he is my #1 choice.

    MAlone was a finisher and had the benefit of playing with the greatest pure PG ever (so as not to offend you Tragic fans). Ever – he knew where to get Malone the ball – when and at the right time. HE had good role players around him all the time to compliment the system that Sloan ran. HE choked in the finals and that is his legacy.. “The mail doesn’t come on Sunday” – missed free throw – game Bulls. Turnover Malone – steal Jordan –jumper – GAME.

  • Allenp

    Look dude, you really have a problem with name calling. Duncan was strong enough to make all-defense his entire career without ever leading the league in shot blocking. You can be a shot blocker at 6’8″, Dennis Rodman was early in his career. Nah, Malone just wasn’t as good a defender as Duncan, that doesn’t mean he was bad, he just wasn’t as good. He wasn’t an anchor defender. And, the point of email was that Malone was not guarding the oppositions best post player. Man, I can’t believe you are arguing that.

  • Allenp

    My question is why do people keep saying that Magic wasn’t a pure point? I don’t get that.

  • Holiday

    Obviously if a team wins 3 chips, a new comer isn’t the reason for there success, kinda like how The Spurs were damn good before duncan, although he did help them of course he’s no Admiral you know the guy that recorded a quadruple double and once scored 72 points in a game!

  • Holiday

    Besides Malone and Stockton, and Hornicek for about 6 years who else did they really have? and there was a Shot clock discrepincy for both teams in the 98 finals a 3 pointer that should have counted for the Jazz and 3 pointer that clearly shouldn’t have counted for the Bulls thats a 6 point shift, and that steal well Malone was push from behind, and of course the Infamous pushoff!

  • Steve O

    Duncan 1st pick all-time? Over Jordan? I don’t think too many people would get on that train.

  • Holiday

    And what pure point guards do you know of that can replace Kareem as the center there rookie game in the finals no less to win! Unbelievably great player but come on!

  • Holiday

    I would take Hakeem all day over Duncan, or even Shaq!

  • Allenp

    So, if you’re a pure point that means you can’t score? I thought a pure point was somebody who thought pass-first, every thing else second. That’s what magic did when he was at the point in the game’s I saw. Just because he could do that and average 22 points and 8 boards doens’t mean he wasn’t a true point. Jason Kidd is a true point, and he’s the best post up threat on his team and the best rebounder? WTF

  • mark

    Malone was not guarding Duncan – that was a shared responsibility. Robinson did not win anything – dude could play – no question – but lets think back to the 72 he dropped on the Clippers and remember what happened to him when the Spurs met the ROckets in the playoffs and Hakeem destroyed him. Duncan came in and won titles – The Spurs won 17 games the season before Duncan showed up — That is like saying Jordan didn’t do anything for the Bulls – and Malone didn’t win anything except a few undeserved MVP’s.

    Tim just about dropped a quadruple double in the finals against the Pistons.

    Magic is not a pure point because of his game. He wasn’t the best ball handler in the world and routinely had to bring the ball up the floor a’la MArk Jackson – backwards. I shouldn’t say anything – I am no fan of Tragic Johnson so let me bow out because all of my opinions on that topic will be biased– BIRD FAN TO THE END.

  • Holiday

    Oh my bad I left Wilt out, and thats just as far as big men go obviously your crazy to pass up Magic for Duncan! He can play any position, and does nobody remember Oscar Robertson, all he did was average a triple double in his second season! and KG with the teams Duncan has had he might have 7 or 8 chips!

  • Allenp

    I don’t think of true point being based on your physical abilities. It’s about your mindset to me.

  • Allenp

    Holiday you are clearly a Jazz fan who remembers all of the slights against your team. So do you remember that Malone bear hugged Barkely on a pick and roll to get an open jumper for Stockton that put the Jazz in the Finals for the first time? Cause I sure do.

  • Allenp

    Mark Jackson had to bring the ball up the court backing up, and he was clearly a true point.

  • mark

    I don’t care who gets on that train with me. You can have Jordan – that is why I took Bias with my 2nd pick. Bias>Jordan.

  • Holiday

    Allenp if that’s how you feel then there have been so many “pure point guards” out there like Lebron now or Kobe he can pass, geez we can’t forget T-Mac! Im not debating how great he was but it’s like say in football Quarterback’s can run with the ball so if Tomlinson throws a pass every once in a while does that make him a pure QB?

  • mark

    I would never take Magic over Duncan – NEVER.

  • Holiday

    Wow!!!!!! Nobody was even close to Barkley!

  • Allenp

    So Magic threw a pass every now and then? He ran the effing team and averaged 12 assists for his career! Dude was a facillitator no matter where he set up on the floor. Obviously, my definition of a true point differs from a lot of people’s. It has nothing at all to do with your height or athletic ability to me, it depends on your mindset. That’s why guys like Boykins, Iverson, Billups will never be true points in the real definion of the world. I can’t believe people are calling Magic a “scorer,” he could score, but he was always a passer first.

  • Holiday

    Well lets swap Duncan for KG and see how many Chips he win’s, there is nothing for him to work with, duncan has always been surrouded by tallent, like Mario Elle, Sean Elliot, D-Rob, Avery Johnson all with his first chip! Stephen Jackson, Tony Parker, Ginobli, nesterovic, the list goes on he always had a deep bench too!!!

  • Allenp

    HOliday, you need to watch that replay again. Malone set’s a screen and bearhugs the person trying to get out on Stockton. Check it out.

  • Steve O

    I’m a C’s fan but I hope you mean your bias over Jordan, not Len Bias. I think Bias would have been a great player but would he have averaged 30, 6, and 5 for his career? Not when you get drafted onto that team full of All-Stars

  • Holiday

    Seems like with the Height to see over every guard and have better vision of what was going on he wouldn’t be more than 5000 assist’s below stockton all time!!!

  • Allenp
  • Holiday

    I guess so Allenp I’ll do that but I know he didn’t bear hug Barkley! maybe somebody else!

  • Allenp

    Yeah, cause Magic played as long as STockton. It’s not like Magic led the all-time assist list when he left the league. Wait, it was! And, check out Magic’s career playoff assist totals, he’s not trailing Stockton there.

  • Holiday

    that plus Stockton was so far from anybody on the court I don’t think it really mattered!

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