Tuesday, December 30th, 2008 at 9:04 am  |  155 responses

Links: My All-Stars (Pt 1)

Eastern Conference Edition…

by Lang Whitaker

The other night, Wifey asked me if I have a vote in the All-Star voting. At first I said No, because she meant did I get a vote in the same way I get to vote on the NBA’s end of season awards. But then I realized that yes, I do have a vote in the awards — we all get to vote!

So, since my ballot counts just as much as yours, I figured I’d publish how I’d vote, 1 through 12, for the All-Star Game this season. We’ll do the East today and the West tomorrow…

STARTING FIVE:
G: Dwyane Wade, MIA — He’s been durable and remarkable. 28.9 ppg and nearly 7 assists per game. The heat have been way better than I thought they’d be so far. As long as D-Wade can keep falling down and getting up, the Heat might mess around and make the Playoffs.

G: Devin Harris, NJN — I’ve been able to see Harris in person a few times this season and he always impresses me. What really gets me is that he’s gone from being a bit player in Dallas to being the focal point in Jersey, and he’s posting career highs across the board. He’s also fast as heck.

F: Paul Pierce, BOS — The leading scorer on the best team in the East, and perhaps the best team in the NBA.

F: LeBron James, CLE — I tabbed him as our MVP before the season started, and he’s done nothing to dissuade me. I predicted he’d go for 30, 8 and 8, but thus far he’s at 27, 7 and 6. Slacker. But his defense has been outstanding (career highs in blocks and steals), and…whatever. If I need to convince you of LeBron’s All-Star candidacy, you shouldn’t be reading our site.

C: Dwight Howard, ORL — I read somewhere recently where someone suggested that Dwight Howard shouldn’t be allowed to dunk the ball during practice. This was mentioned as a way to force Dwight to develop a little more touch around the basket, so he wouldn’t just resort to booming over anyone in his way. As I wrote this, Dwight was averaging 19.9 ppg and 13.9 rpg and 3.7 blocks per game. If he wants to dunk the ball every time he touches it, in practice, on NBA Live, whatever, I this we should all have no problem with that. (And OK, if you want to be practical about it, wouldn’t Dwight playing differently than he does in practice seem to defeat the purpose of practicing as a team, so everyone gets used to how each other plays in games?)

BENCH
G: Mo Williams, CLE — 16 ppg and 4 apg don’t seem that eye-popping, but he’s pushed Cleveland into uncharted territory.

G: Joe Johnson, ATL — I’ve watched almost every game JJ played this season and every night he impresses me more and more. Even though he leads the Hawks in points (23.2 ppg), he’s also 10th in the Eastern Conference in assists per game. He gets doubled night after night and rarely makes the wrong pass out of the double. And he’s probably Atlanta’s best on-the-ball defender (and has them at 19-10 right now).

G: Derrick Rose, CHI — I tried to come up with reasons not to put Derrick Rose on this team. He doesn’t really “run” the Bulls like a veteran point guard would, and he can’t guard his shadow. But I watched him against the Hawks the other night and his speed is just ridiculous. He might be the most exciting player I’ve seen in person this season, and while I’d like to see his total game improve as the year progresses, he’s a devastating player and fun to watch, and what better place to showcase the future of the League than in the All-Star Game?

F: Danny Granger, IND — I saw him play in the NCAA Tournament when he was in college, and he didn’t impress me whatsoever; I thought he was going to be at best a complimentary player in the NBA. Now he’s averaging 24.5 ppg and has had a great all-around first half. Indy might be a mess, but not for Granger’s lack of trying.

F: Chris Bosh, TOR — Everyone thought that Toronto adding Jermaine O’Neal would free up Bosh. And maybe it has, though JO isn’t the threat he used to be. Still, Bosh is averaging a double-double and has developed into the face of the NBA in Canada. Which is better than when it used to be Isiah Thomas, I suppose.

F: Rashard Lewis, ORL — Sure, he’s overpaid, but he still produces and helps spread the floor for Dwight. And he’s a huge part of Orlando’s 24-6 start.

C: Kevin Garnett, BOS — If it wasn’t for Dwight, I’d have him as a starter. Like him or not, he defines leadership.

Who didn’t make it? Now look, I know I don’t have anyone from Detroit on my team. If the playoffs started today, Detroit would be the 5 seed. They also have 7 starters, according to coach Michael Curry, and they have 6 dudes averaging double figures. All great, and perhaps the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. I just couldn’t figure out who I’d put on my team over the guys I did put on. The coaches will probably put Rajon Rondo on the team to reward his improvement and Boston’s dominance, though I’m still not convinced that Rondo isn’t mostly a product of playing with three Hall of Famers. Others I considered: Vince Carter, Jose Calderon, Caron Butler, Antawn Jamison, Emeka Okafor, Richard Jefferson.

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  • Co Co Posted: Dec.30 at 9:15 am
    I’d replace Mo with Mike Bibby. Of course you all know why.

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.30 at 9:18 am
    Hard to argue the list. Good call, Lang.

  • Justin Walsh Posted: Dec.30 at 9:20 am
    The list is just. :)

  • Slick Nick Da Ruler Posted: Dec.30 at 9:28 am
    Thank you Lang for mentioning your initial review of Granger’s game. Humble pie tastes great when an All-Star’s feeding it to you.

  • Andy Posted: Dec.30 at 9:38 am
    So, which one is going to miss out to make room for Iverson?

  • Jas Posted: Dec.30 at 9:42 am
    Apart from Mo Williams, the list is on point. I’d replace Mo with Vince.

  • TADOne Posted: Dec.30 at 9:45 am
    Danny Granger is like a baseball player, in that he developed his game late.

  • Simon S.Y Lawy Posted: Dec.30 at 9:48 am
    Mike bibby and Ai, where?

  • Co Co Posted: Dec.30 at 9:48 am
    I don’t know that he developed his game late I think he just finally became the focal point of the team. Sometimes it’s just about opportunity.

  • Simon S.Y Lawy Posted: Dec.30 at 9:49 am
    Vince and Hedo…where?

  • TADOne Posted: Dec.30 at 9:51 am
    True that. But like Lang, he didn’t impress me much in college either. He played at Bradley U and the University of New Mexico, hardly basketball powerhouses. I’m quite sure he was the focal points of those teams as well.

  • J aka Mr Unbreakable Posted: Dec.30 at 9:51 am
    Sarting 5 : Wade – Iverson – James – Garnett – Howard. Sub : Rondo – Harris – Pierce – Bosh – J Johnson – Granger – Lewis. And I’ll have at least 90% right easilly, with my starting 5 being at 100%.

  • mumadone Posted: Dec.30 at 9:56 am
    Ray Allen? Not that i have seen them play all that much, but still, probably over Mo Williams.

  • Co Co Posted: Dec.30 at 10:04 am
    Bradley isn’t a powerhouse???

  • Fresh Posted: Dec.30 at 10:13 am
    right now allen iverson will be voted in so that means devin harris will be coming off the bench because he will probably make reserve. The leaves out Mo Williams, who has been playing great basketball but not all star basketball. But Iverson gets voted in so he is there.
    Also voted in will be kevin Garnett so that means Paul Pierce wont start but will probably make the all star team. becuase he is leading the Celtics offense especially in the clutch.
    And after last year preformance in the All star game and ray Allen play right now i think he will make all star. and if im not mistaken dont quote me might be the leading scorer on the Celtics.
    there is a good possibilty if their is an extra spot that Rondo might be an all star especially if Doc Rivers is the coach seeing how Derrick Rose is a rookie ann has not played partiularly well agaisnt the Celtics, for Rose to make it over his own player.
    also i think Lewis should be all star bound but he like Vince Carter who is playing at an all star level is being over shawdowed right now.
    IF DANNY GRANGER DOESNT MAKE ALL STAR I AM NOT WATCHING

  • overtime Posted: Dec.30 at 10:36 am
    Switch Mo and Rose for Rondo and Jameer Nelson/ Bibby and you’ve got a deal. Maybe Antawn Jamison too

  • ciolkstar Posted: Dec.30 at 10:39 am
    I knew Granger would blow up this season, same goes for Joe Johnson and Devin Harris… I have all 3 in fantasy. If Melo and Caron could just stay healthy I’d be unstoppable.

  • ciolkstar Posted: Dec.30 at 10:42 am
    I’m a big Rondo fan but I’m not expecting him to make it at all this season. AI will almost certainly replace Mo Williams. Devin is a lock. And I don’t see Rondo topping Rose this season (or anytime soon for that matter.)

  • ciroqobama Posted: Dec.30 at 10:45 am
    Jesus Shuttlesworth

  • Big Man Posted: Dec.30 at 11:04 am
    This is a very fair list. The only player who might not “deserve” his spot is Rose, but I understand your reasoning for including him.

  • matt the jazz fan Posted: Dec.30 at 11:16 am
    Jamison and Ray Ray in. Derek Rose and Mo Williams out. Otherwise OK. Too bad about ‘Mek.

  • jbas Posted: Dec.30 at 11:32 am
    What did ray allen ever do to you?

  • jbas Posted: Dec.30 at 11:37 am
    despite my liking for them and theyre abilities, caron and antwan shouldnt get a sniff, theyre 6-23 and frankly if either of them get on before ron ron or ray ray, thats an embarrassement.

  • Diesel Posted: Dec.30 at 11:49 am
    Thanks for sticking up for Bradley CoCo! We’re not a powerhouse but we’ve done things damn it. I played against Granger his freshman year and he dunked on me every time he touched the ball. He had some serious speed. Scary thing is he had no ball handling or shooting touch. To see where he is now makes me think he’ll be that much better in 2 or 3 years.

  • J.B Posted: Dec.30 at 11:55 am
    so where does easy Yi come in?

  • Miguel Garcia (Mexico) Posted: Dec.30 at 12:48 pm
    How about Jameer Nelson??? he´s putting 17 points 5 asists and 3 rebounds per and has helped the Magic to a great start.

  • a_whiteman Posted: Dec.30 at 12:52 pm
    What about hedo!!!!!

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 12:52 pm
    Mo Williams will not be an all star, especially with how Ray Allen has played. And Mike Bibby/Jameer Nelson have a 0% chance of making the all star team. Same with Jamison.

  • dma Posted: Dec.30 at 1:13 pm
    if anybody were to represent orlando it’d be nelson and howard. but the guards situation in the east won’t allow nelson…

  • Mendel Posted: Dec.30 at 1:18 pm
    @ Lang. I knew you would be here today. Congragulations on your Hawks.

  • Bro. D. Posted: Dec.30 at 1:20 pm
    No Boris Diaw? This list is turrible.

  • Heals Posted: Dec.30 at 1:31 pm
    All the guys you mentioned should go, love to see D. Harris start. I think Ray Ray should go, but who do you leave off, the Cavs deserve Mo because of their record, ,maybe Rose only plays in the Rook game… Sorry China, no Yi and how about a Piston, not AI though (can’t believe I just typed that)

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 1:32 pm
    Jameer and Hedo deserve it more than Mo and Rashard IMO. Otherwise, great list.

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 1:33 pm
    Does Dannny Granger’s game remind anyone else of Scottie Pippen?

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  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 1:47 pm
    Granger is way too prolific of a scorer. Way better shooter and not in the same league on D so no.

  • Anton Posted: Dec.30 at 1:56 pm
    Where’s the Yi love?

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 2:00 pm
    why does anyone think Yi deserves to be on the all star team. You people are crazy, and it does not matter how many people in China vote for him the NBA is too sneaky to let Yi start for the East. And the coaches definetely won’t let him in.

  • ciolkstar Posted: Dec.30 at 2:01 pm
    Granger resembles Pippen physically but their games are very different. Granger is an off the bounce shooter who can go on unconcious hot (and cold) streaks, Pip’s game was more in between and going to the basket. And although Granger can get into the lane, he’s not as physical as Pip was and not even on the same planet as a defender (though recent rule changes concerning perimeter D contribute to that disparity)

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 2:01 pm
    Granger is averaging 2 more points than Scottie did during his time without Mike. Danny is also avg. more blocks than Scottie ever did in a single season in his career. Pip has the edge on steals though. I’m not saying that Danny is even in the same league as Pip on D but I’m saying he has physical tools that are similar and the same style of play that Pip had. Oh yeah, they’re both number 33 too.

  • ciolkstar Posted: Dec.30 at 2:02 pm
    Yi = Garbage
    The Peeps Republic is his only chance. The coaches will give the nod to someone who actually, you know, deserves it.

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 2:03 pm
    Scottie Pippen with a killer jumpshot? COOOOLDDBLOOODED!

  • Co Co Posted: Dec.30 at 2:12 pm
    If Eazy Yi doesn’t start the All Star Game I’m going to be really disappointed in China. Really.

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 2:13 pm
    Scottie was also in his Prime (top of his prime) when he didn’t have jordan. Actually for Scottie individually Michael’s first retirement could not have come at a better time. And Granger does not spend any time guarding the other teams best player (unless its a big SF=LeBron, Melo) scottie was pretty much on the best perimeter scorer on every team except the teams that had scoring PG’s then it was MJ’s duty. (Or BJ’s but not really. Granger is a good help defender, hence the block numbers. Granger is an offensive version of scottie, and scottie was a defensive version of danny if that makes sense.

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 2:13 pm
    Eazy Yi doesn’t deserve to start in my Rec. League All-Star game.

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 2:16 pm
    ^^haha

  • Moose Posted: Dec.30 at 2:23 pm
    B. Long, do rags don’t deserve to start in your Rec League All-Star game (wink, wink).

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 2:48 pm
    I’m investing in a Sasha manband, Moose.

  • Mr. K1X Posted: Dec.30 at 2:56 pm
    this i y u just write blogs, u follow the league at all?? iverson and allen will be on the squad. how dare u mock us with your mock?? lolol

  • Eboy Posted: Dec.30 at 3:00 pm
    There really wasn’t a conversation going on comparing Danny Granger and Pip was there? For real?

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 3:06 pm
    Are they the exact same player. No. But his does have some Pip like characteristics, E. And yes I started the convo. Your welcome.

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 3:07 pm
    sorry mr k1x its how lang would vote dont try and be smart you sound like an idiot, thats why he gets a say in the awards at the end of the year and you read about it

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 3:08 pm
    Pretty sure he was being sarcatastic there, NBK. If not, yes he is a dumbass.

  • tealish Posted: Dec.30 at 3:15 pm
    Come on, Lang! Pierce does not deserve that starting spot. Ray Allen puts up the same numbers on 8% better FG shooting. Of course, we know PP gives you more than the numbers but the difference between their performances this season is not as large as AllStar starter vs. Not-even-in-consideration-for-the-bench.
    And uh, Mo Williams…hard to argue with Cleveland’s success, but he definitely has not outplayed Iverson, VC, Ray, or Calderon.

  • ClydeSays Posted: Dec.30 at 3:22 pm
    As CWebb would say: Rondooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Then GP chips in: C’mon man!

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 3:31 pm
    @Tealish:Mo Williams has outplayed both Iverson and VC this year. The other two are debatable.

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 3:32 pm
    Vince Carter has been an All-Star in about 5 games this season. And yes I keep up with him because he’s on my fantasy team.

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 3:35 pm
    Mo Williams has outplayed Iverson in the eastern conference and considering its for a bid on the eastern conference all star team its hard to say iverson deserves it more. But he will start so it doesn’t matter.

  • Joe Posted: Dec.30 at 3:53 pm
    Why won’t David Stern add one or two extra roster spots on the all-star teams. The league has expanded to 30 teams, a couple years ago they increased team rosters from 12/13 to 15. So y is it still 12 for the all-star game, two extra spots means that actual all-star caliber players will get on the team, who wouldn’t be voted in(popularity contest) otherwise.
    Just in case Yi, ends up making the all-star game, the extra spot would go to someone who is deserved of a trip to Phoenix.

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 3:55 pm
    Good point, Joe.

  • Jackie Moon Posted: Dec.30 at 3:58 pm
    I like Joe Johnson’s game.

  • Co Co Posted: Dec.30 at 3:58 pm
    How about they take away the fan vote instead? I mean, true enough a lot of the players the fans vote in would probably get in anyway, but still. Or, they should do it like MLB and take at least one player from every team, AND put home court advantage on the line for the Finals. That would be fun. Seriously, I’d love that.

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 4:10 pm
    If you put one player from every team that means you have to expand the rosters to 15, and the teams that have two all stars would miss one so that teams like the Warriors and Thunder are represented. That is stupid, and playing for homecourt in the the finals is dumb we do not have a season where you only play teams in your conference. The reason it works in the MLB is because the teams are bigger for one, and the american league teams play other american league teams with two differents rounds of interleague play. The NBA every team plays one another more then once therefore having the all star game playing a significant role in the finals is bogus. If that was the case, then is 96 when the bulls went 72-10, if the west won the all star game the jazz would have had homecourt. Are you dumb enough to think that is fair?

  • Co Co Posted: Dec.30 at 4:16 pm
    Who said anything about fairness?

  • seppo Posted: Dec.30 at 4:19 pm
    Iverson is dunzo. Ever since he turned 30 people were expecting him to fall off. This year it finally happened. 18 points a game are a joke. His ball handling and passing is sloppy and his outside shot looks worse than LeBron´s.

  • TADOne Posted: Dec.30 at 4:20 pm
    ^(sigh)

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 4:21 pm
    nbk=Needs Balls Kicked?

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 4:21 pm
    Thats the reason they do it in baseball, so your making suggestions because you just think it would be neat? You would make a game that includes players that aren’t involved in the playoffs to help determine the FINALS. If the all star game played any significance in the playoffs especially the finals then you definately cannot have a representative from every team, and you would have to do away with the you can only coach the team once every two years rule, and you would have to do away with fan voting all together. It would change the whole aspect of the all star game. it is not about fairness its about common sense which you lack.

  • Moose Posted: Dec.30 at 4:21 pm
    MUTOMBO RE-SIGNS!

  • TADOne Posted: Dec.30 at 4:24 pm
    NBK: Calling Co Co stupid and without common sense is pure ignorance. If you disagree, then fine. But the other sh*t is not flying with me bro. Check yourself.

  • Co Co Posted: Dec.30 at 4:25 pm
    I’m confused. How is it fair in baseball, but it would not be in basketball?

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 4:26 pm
    B-Long why dont you find a new way to try and be funny because abbreviating my name is played out. Plus i am right, and you consistently day in and day out look like a juvenile jackass, so unless your the same age as bet you should act your age.

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 4:28 pm
    Well obviously you don’t play baseball, if you did you would know that a player has much much less significance on the outcome of a game in baseball then in basketball. And as i said in baseball you pretty much only play teams in your respective league (american & national) and in basketball you play everyone. The reason the all star game matters in baseball is because there is no real barometer of which league is better except a handful of 20ish games which don’t really matter, the scouts don’t seriously scout the opposing league until august. What coco is suggesting is stupid and without common sense, just because something works in one place does not mean it will work in another.

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 4:30 pm
    and i will keep saying it is without common sense because it is, i do not care if you dont think its cool or whatever tad, check myself hah

  • Co Co Posted: Dec.30 at 4:31 pm
    A player has much less significance in the outcome of a baseball game? And you’re calling me stupid?? Riiiiiiight.

  • Co Co Posted: Dec.30 at 4:33 pm
    Yeah Ryan Howard had nothing to do with the Phillies winning. And Cole Hammels, who needs him? Jimmy Rollins they can do without him too. Are you serious child?

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 4:33 pm
    Never Been Kissed wonders why no one reads his blog.

  • TADOne Posted: Dec.30 at 4:35 pm
    Dude, you asked if she was “dumb enogh” to think something and then said she “lacked common sense”. That is what I was calling you on bro.

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 4:37 pm
    yes it is signifcantly true and proven, a pitcher does not hit, or if they do they generally suck, a player bats 4 times a game not every inning, in an nba game a player can touch the ball every possession can score every possession. Its a very simple concept, and illustrates why teams without stars win titles in baseball and it has only happened once in basketball for the last 30 years.

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 4:38 pm
    Ryan Howard is not a star?

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 4:38 pm
    Rasheed Wallace was not a star?

  • Co Co Posted: Dec.30 at 4:39 pm
    Just out of curiosity, if the players in baseball don’t decide the game, who does?

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 4:40 pm
    I don’t need or want anyone to read my blog, i don’t do it for anyone. I played baseball have boys in the league, my best friend is jim lefebrve’s son, i know the difference between the sports, as i can tell and am not suprised this is a basketball site that people don’t know about why baseball is the way it is compared to basketball, but to just say something without any real education on why it is the way it is is dumb, and it lacks common sense.

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 4:40 pm
    I don’t agree with what Co Co said but there’s no reason to be a d-bag to a chick who voices her opinion about sports. She wasn’t trying to attack anybody she just threw out an idea.

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 4:41 pm
    Who is Jim Lefebrve?

  • Co Co Posted: Dec.30 at 4:44 pm
    Why did you play baseball if the players hold no significance in the outcome of the game anyway? I truly can’t believe in all of my years of watching baseball I didn’t notice that the players were insignifcant. Maybe I am stupid.

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 4:44 pm
    NO Rasheed Wallace was not a marquee star, and you know what a marquee star is B, and i never said baseball doesn’t have stars, i said those stars do not play as much of a role in the outcome of the game as basketball, hence the every team can be represented, plus baseball teams are bigger. There are stars in baseball but Ryan Howard is not the reason the phillies win, they have the last 3 MVP’s. Or two of the last 3 i dont exactly remember but they have 3 players that have finished in the top 2 in mvp voting for the last 3 years and they didn’t win in 06 or 07. Barry Bonds Never won a title and is the most marquee baseball player since willie mayes. Do you people get it yet

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 4:45 pm
    Jim Lefebrve is a former 2nd baseman for the reds and a few other teams in the 70′s, he is the most famous hitting coach in the world, coach of china’s national team, and the his career is the bases for the movie mr. baseball.

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 4:46 pm
    I did not say the players hold no significance they obviously do, i said they don’t hold as much, not even close. Hence Michael Jordan is famous for winning 6 rings and babe ruth is famous for homeruns not world series titles.

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 4:47 pm
    Again, who is Jim Lefebrve?

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 4:47 pm
    And i am sorry for “attacking” you coco, that was rude. So my bad, but what happens in baseball wont work in basketball simple as that

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 4:48 pm
    look it up if your gonna be a smart ass

  • MeloMan13 Posted: Dec.30 at 4:51 pm
    Ai rondo and walter ray allen instead of D-rose, mo williams and reshard

  • ciolkstar Posted: Dec.30 at 4:55 pm
    Never Been Kissed (Ha! thats a good one!)needs to find a new site where he can harrass all of the regulars. This is a forum where people get to throw out ideas and debate WITHOUTt attacking each other personally. For all your grandstanding about how “smart” you are and how you know so much, this concept seems to have blown past you. Just f*cking relax man.

  • ciolkstar Posted: Dec.30 at 4:55 pm
    Jim Lefygkfswc is a jerk.

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 4:56 pm
    So you being Jim Lefebrebrevve’s son’s friend makes you an expert on baseball and apparently all things sports? I shook Jimmy Johnson’s hand once. I knew I should’ve been coaching the Cowboys instead of Wade! No wonder they sucked.

  • tealish Posted: Dec.30 at 4:58 pm
    B.Long: VC is putting up close to 23/5/5 on 46fg% and 40% from deep. Their team is exceeding expectations. Harris has been a huge part of that, but to say that VC has played like an AllStar for only 5 games this season, makes me think you were a Raptor fan at one point.
    On Allen Iverson, that’s arguable. He hasn’t played nearly as well as he can in the new system. Detroit is still struggling to find its groove with him in the lineup. I disagree but can understand if you think Mo has been better.
    VC, however, deserves to be an AllStar again. No question.

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 5:00 pm
    i apoligized, i said i shouldn’t have attacked coco, not much else to do, the concept did not blow past me i just made a mistake. But for all the sticking up for everyone else you guys do, you let people like b and bet talk sht to everyone who says something they disagree with without a word so keep your hypocritical criticism to yourselves

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 5:01 pm
    No i played baseball for 16 years of my life, and have been around the Major Leagues, players and coaches since i was in high school. Thats why i know “so much” about baseball, which i really don’t its common sense if you know the sport at all, i am a jerk for assuming anyone knows anything about baseball though and i apologize for that.

  • what Posted: Dec.30 at 5:04 pm
    Devin Harris over Joe Johnson as a starter? What kind of a Hawks fan are you?

  • ciolkstar Posted: Dec.30 at 5:09 pm
    NBK: people on here who *sort of* know each other can have heated debates but it seems like everyday you’re calling someone an idiot or saying that if they think X it means they are retarded or have no common sense or whatever…its getting really annoying. Plus, CoCo is a female, and to my knowledge, has never gone off on any other posters here. This wasn’t the first instance of you being an ass in the comments and I’d bet the farm it won’t be your last. Unless you somehow (hint, hint) get banned.

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 5:11 pm
    @tealish: I guess I’m just still pissed about the 0-13er Vince put up awhile ago. Sh!t like that sticks with you. You have a good point though.

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 5:14 pm
    We just try not to take ourselves too seriously, Nickel Back Killerfan!. But you haven’t figured that part out yet, obviously. And if you let somebody like BETcats bully you, you have daddy issues.

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 5:15 pm
    yeah me getting banned is going to keep me from being on here one way or another. Banning someone on the internet is like banning a kid in a halloween costume. I apologized to COCO for what i said, her being a female played no role in what i said, i do not look to see if a person is a male or female before i speak my mind. I was an ass though and have admitted like 4 times, plus apologized, i do not care if i get banned, if i do i will be back with a different name and you will never know it. I will always say what i say but i know i need to not be hostile. LIke i said i am sorry but i am not the only one, b long is hostile every single day, and betcats tries to insult people about things completely irrelovent, you treat regulars like royalty that can’t be in the “blame” for anything.

  • I am the walrus Posted: Dec.30 at 5:17 pm
    Who is Jim Lefebrve?

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.30 at 5:18 pm
    and b- i do not get insulted by anything anyone on here says, it plays no role in me individually, you can talk ish all day, i am just saying i am not the only one, although i am the only one who gets “(hints)” or threats to “watch what i say”. I will say all the things i said before i just wont say a person is stupid.

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 5:18 pm
    Apology accepted, Nbk. You may carry on.

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 5:20 pm
    LMAO@ Walrus.

  • I am the walrus Posted: Dec.30 at 5:21 pm
    Were was Stromile Swift on the East team?

  • thesubwayconnection Posted: Dec.30 at 5:23 pm
    Rondo makes my list when he’s a consistent threat outside of the key.

  • Jukai Posted: Dec.30 at 6:55 pm
    Just to clarify things:
    Co Co = Stupid, clearly doesn’t get baseball, lacks common sense
    TADOne = Really needs to shut his mouth
    Okay, now continue

  • Jukai Posted: Dec.30 at 6:59 pm
    Wow, I can’t believe that. Hey guys, if you want Co-Co’s phone number, why don’t you send her an e-mail or something. I’m pretty sure she can defend herself and her stupid, uninformed opinions. This was just sad.

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 7:16 pm
    Like I said earlier Jukai, no one here should take themselves too seriously. I honestly just like watching nbk’s world burn. Hilarious. You need to read the blog, homie.

  • Jukai Posted: Dec.30 at 7:26 pm
    Okay, so why was everyone crying hysterically when he called Co Co (rightfully so) stupid and uninformed?
    I mean, that’s great that you got that hobby B Long, but watching TAD get all gangsta was just laughably sad.

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 7:40 pm
    Tad is a big man, Jukster. Better stay clear of Virgina Beach. lol

  • Jukai Posted: Dec.30 at 7:43 pm
    LOLLERZ ROFLMAO I’ve seen his picture he looks like a larger version of that dwarf from Lord of the Rings, I think I’ll be fine.

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 7:51 pm
    Holy balls.

  • Jukai Posted: Dec.30 at 7:52 pm
    Hey what’s wrong B Long it’s all in good fun right right?

  • B. Long Posted: Dec.30 at 8:02 pm
    For me it is.

  • Dacre Posted: Dec.30 at 9:47 pm
    This is something I was thinking… with Kidd, CP3 in the West and now Chauncey back in Denver I think Nashty is not going to play in PHOENIX!?

  • Jukai Posted: Dec.30 at 10:09 pm
    Dacre, that’s assuming Kidd is going to make the all-star team.
    Still, I don’t think Nash will make/deserves it.
    Kobe, T-Mac, CP3, Chauncey, Roy will be the five guards, with Nash being the sixth most deserving dude. Other deserving guards like Parker and Williams will also miss the all-star game.
    T-Mac pretty much doesn’t deserve crap.

  • Young Chris MP3 Posted: Dec.30 at 10:57 pm
    Ray Allen over Derrick Rose.

  • Young Chris MP3 Posted: Dec.30 at 11:00 pm
    I doubt Granger will get in because the Pacers are garbage. Coach’s usually vote in players from winning teams, right? Ray Allen over Granger, and A.I. will most likely get voted in, with Mo Williams and Devin Harris coming off the bench.

  • Dwyane Posted: Dec.31 at 1:38 am
    This jack ass does’nt know sh*t that idiot that said AI fell of is dumb cas AI shoots 14 shots a game plays 9 less minutes and is a team player he has two all stars with him. AI should make it cas he can drop 30 any time he wants just not right to do that with such a great team he will do good and get better. AI is still top 12 players in the league. He matured now he knows what he has to do to get a ring and VC is playing great why wouldnt u put him on. And MO WILLIAMS WTF? Ray Allens making it for sure too. But to have AI not on the list is dumb.

  • Dwyane Posted: Dec.31 at 1:45 am
    Seppo’s a jack ass and Lang no hard feelings but this list is all good except for AI and Vince and Ray not being on it AI played 8 less minutes and takes 14 shots a night thats what your supposed to do on the Pistons. He will get used to it and Detroit will be the powerhouse they are supposed to be. AI can average 30 if he want’s averaging 18 is all the ppl see they dont go check that hes taking 14 shots and playing like 8 less mins a nite. You AI haters need to see that he has to mature to win a ring with Detroit taking 22 shots like he use to would’nt be maturing cas he has a very very good team.

  • serevei Posted: Dec.31 at 1:46 am
    baseball is gay anyway watch a real small ball sport like cricket.
    Geoff

  • pennydunk_1 Posted: Dec.31 at 4:50 am
    tight list

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Dec.31 at 5:53 am
    Hostile gospel. When is round 2 west edition dropping

  • Melo man 13 Posted: Dec.31 at 8:41 am
    You got to be a fool to think iverson deserves to be in the all-star game ahead of mo Williams. He getting out played by Rodney stuckey. He’s not even the 2 or 3 option on the team. Check the standings the cavs are Like 8 games up on the pistons

  • Mendel Posted: Dec.31 at 8:44 am
    I just read this and I’m sorry, but, if for nothing else other then just becuase, IVERSON IVERSON IVERSON IVERSON IVERSON IVERSON IVERSON IVERSON IVERSON IVERSON

  • I'm.me79 Posted: Dec.31 at 8:47 am
    Allen iverson is 32 years old his a** not going to mature pistons suck go cavs!

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  • ENDS Posted: Dec.31 at 11:11 am
    Hedo Played like a beast last year and didn’t get in suposedly because it was his first year playing that good (which has to be the most retarded reason for not putting a guy in Ever – if your an All-star your an all-star). In the same regards going by last year’s criteria you can’t put granger or Williams in if were believeing the L just didnt screw Hedo Jameer Nelson is Playing Like a damn General its a shame if he dont get in.

  • AlbertBarr Posted: Dec.31 at 11:18 am
    Bibby should be considered for a bench nod at the all-star game. He is shooting the lights out for the Hawks and is one player that has never been an all-star that deserves to be. Sometimes the All-star game is about recognizing careers that have been all-star even if the averages aren’t eye-poppin’. Think of Grant Hill his first year in Phoenix. Or Magic when he wasn’t even playing. Mike has been snubbed from an all-star spot in years past when he certainly deserved a chance at even a starting role. The Hawks weren’t doing anything last year till Bibby came in and started running the offense and giving Joe some space to work. Lets reward the dude for being a consummate floor general and feisty competitor through the years

  • Nbk Posted: Dec.31 at 12:57 pm
    Albert your a little misinformed their champ, Hill never made the All Star team last year, Mike Bibby has never ever deserved the starting role ever, maybe to be a reserve in like 01-02 but thats about it. Just because a guy has been a good played consistently doesn’t mean he should jsut get a pity nod into the all star game. This year bibby is puttin up 16 & 5 in 34 minutes. He is not playing better then Devin Harris, Rajon Rondo, Derrick Rose, or even Mo Williams. There is not going to be 5 pg on the east, bibby does not deserve to be there, especially for being snubbed 6 years ago.

  • Harlem_World Posted: Dec.31 at 3:48 pm
    Ray Allen should be in. Rose still has time and if you take all things into consideration, probably is just under the qualifying mark this year. Let him get his swoll on in the rookie game. Butler and Jamison have NO business being in this conversation looking at the Wiz record. Joe Johnson is an absolute LOCK, and Vince may just sneak in…

  • JaJaJaJoeeejohnsonn Posted: Jan.1 at 6:52 pm
    Actually Nbk once again you are wrong. Mike Bibby is averaging 5 more ppg and just two assists less a game than Rondo. He also averages 2 and a half turnovers a game, while bibby averages 1 and a half. He also means much more to his team than rondo because any mediocre pg would look good passing it to garnett,pierce,and allen. He also doesn’t get much attention on scouting or being covered than bibby. Mo williams is averaging less points, assists, rebounds, steals, and more turnovers than bibby. So i dont see where he deserves and more than bibby. Derrick rose is pretty deserving but he turns it over a lot and shoots a lot more than bibby and i think if he played with the hawks he wou;dn’t be puttingup the numbers he is. He and bibby are the most deserving out of them. So i don’t see where you are getting that bibby doesn’t deserve some consideration. Look some stuff up and you might sound smarter. I wouldn’t be insulting you if you didn’t sound stupid and act like a ten year old kid getting offended earlier big man.

  • John D Posted: Jan.1 at 9:18 pm
    How was Ray Allen not even mentioned and guys like RJ and Emeka Okafor were? I know you don’t like the Celtics, but damn.

  • D12FSU Posted: Jan.1 at 11:06 pm
    no lobe for jameer nelson?

  • C-Mac Posted: Jan.2 at 7:59 am
    still don’t think it’s the year AI misses out

  • Guzman Posted: Jan.2 at 8:08 am
    What about Jose Calderon, I believe he is performing at an AS level. He was really close to make it last year and this season he is even more consistent showing he is awesome running the team. Not to many REAL pointguards like the Spaniard these days I am afraid. He works hard and talks on the court.
    -3rd. APG.
    -1st Free Throws.
    -1st To/A Pg ratio.4.04
    -1st in double-double among point guards in the EAST. (Only Deron and CP earned more in the west)
    -Outstanding shooting % almost 50% in both 2p and 3p shots (first among pointguards in 3p shooting %). (100% in FThrow with 75 consecutive shots made, although it would be 85 with those made last playoffs) Best among active players.
    -31st with more turnovers per game among guards. But that is not all. He also adds that high skilled IQ that allows him to play calm but hard, always respecting the rival and behaving as a gentleman on and off the court. The way I see it, if the AS has to be filled with the best players at the moment, Calderon should have been AllStar this and last year. However, if this is a show for the most espectacular players then I am afraid Calderon is not going to make it. For those who rather have Rondo than Jose, I should say that Rondo is an outstanding player that takes a huge advantage of playing aside Garnet, Pierce and Allen. That makes things lot easier, leaving a nice bunch of free paths to the basket or increasing the chances to get a dime. I love Rondo. I saw him playing last year at the Banknorth Garden several times. At the beginning I was not too much on the mood to recognize the great player he is, but he deeply changed my mind. However, I understand he still has to earn that AllStar spot by being truly important in a team, not only the fourth man, even if that team is probably the best in the league. That said, I should consider the the highest obstacle Jose has to make it. The performance of the team. The Raptors are still walking a mysterious path that might lead them to a no-playoffs end.

  • AlbertBarr Posted: Jan.2 at 10:36 am
    @nbk you are right that Grant Hill was not an all-star in phoenix…but he was in 2005 after he came back from his injuries and it wasn’t just because of his numbers. Hill put up 20 and 4 rebounds in the same minutes as Bibby thts year and turned the ball over much more and shot terrible from three (.231). And like JaJaJoe said, Bibby is much more important to his team than most of the other points you mentioned. All-star is more than numbers. That is why Yi may become one even though he sucks.

  • Nbk Posted: Jan.2 at 2:05 pm
    As you said all star games are more then just numbers and the only evidence joejoe gave me to put bibby in is numbers it’s not like mike has been dominating other pgs he has good numbers whoo hooh its at about the same place every year. Watch the actual games and stop just reading box scores, don’t call me stupid when u obviously just read the stats but believe whatever you want

  • Nbk Posted: Jan.2 at 2:08 pm
    plus the only thing you people. Care about his offense which shows how single minded you are

  • AlbertBarr Posted: Jan.2 at 9:11 pm
    It is a logical fallacy to launch personal attacks against your opponent (accusations of single mindedness). Hence, your argument has been placed in the garbage. Bye the way, I never called you stupid. Projecting much?

  • Nbk Posted: Jan.3 at 12:57 am
    Joejoe did albert the world doesn’t revolve around what you say, and only looking at one side of the game too form an opinion, or just using statistics to plead your case without acknowledging that you could be wrong or have left important things out is being single minded. Too think mike bibby has been better then rondo because of his shooting numbers and rondos teammates alone is idiotic and single minded. You don’t account for mike bibbys defense at all or for the fact that rondo is the best defensive pg in the L and 3rd in overall defensive efficiency (basketball-reference) hence you trying to use somethin I said off topic to prove your point because you have no real evidence that you are right puts your argument in the garbage. Especially considering you agreed with joejoe when he used the same fallacy as myself. Don’t act like some sort of english major trying to bring up fallacy’s to b right dueschbag

  • AlbertBarr Posted: Jan.3 at 1:24 am
    Philosophy…not english. Rondo is solid…I have never disagreed with this…I still like Bibby.

  • Nbk Posted: Jan.3 at 2:09 am
    A fallacy is a fallacy in English the same as it is in philosophy, philosophy major does not explain not thoroughly thinking through your argument must be biased

  • daniel Posted: Jan.3 at 1:27 pm
    can we get back to talking about danny granger?

  • KA Posted: Jan.4 at 1:14 am
    I lold at never been kissed. btw fortheloveofmike pls no rondo in the asg, his forte is defense which has no place in the asg and his offense is uggggglllleeeeehhhh. also, Devin is nice but I’d start derrick over devin. mr excitement! a backcourt of rose and wade would be a doozy in transition.

  • juscheckin Posted: Jan.5 at 3:27 am
    Melo man 13: U dont know what you are talking about..The Pistons dont have 1st and 2nd options throughout the games and on their teams…they usually just go with whoever is hot at that moment. Although..Iverson is their first option at the END of the games because thats what they brought him there for.. that along with freeing up other guys on defense and helping facilitate the ball. He struggled at first, but is doing a decent job of finding himself on that team and trying to fit into their system. He shouldn’t be punished for doing something so many people claimed he couldn’t or wouldn’t do, which is sacrifice his game to fit into a team system.
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    Maybe you should worry a little bit about your favorite player (and screen name) and the fact that Chauncy has more of an impact on that Nuggets team then he does at this point (no one has struggled more then Carmelo this season). Also, worry about the fact that Carmelo wont be starting in the All-Star game because he no longer has Iversons fans to vote for him as well (which is probably why he starred last year). All this talk about how Denver is a better team now, when the fact is they are basically the same they were when Andre Miller was there, Billups brings more of a balance..but thats about it. I swear the Nuggets are probably one of the most constant underachieving teams in the L. They have went 5 strait years of 1 and done in the Playoffs with and without Iverson. So maybe you should worry about that before hating on AI.

  • Mike Posted: Jan.5 at 2:28 pm
    If Rose or Mo Williams make it over VC that is complete BS!! Vince has been draining game winners like nothing this year and the nets are way better than everyone thought they’d be

  • Hugo Posted: Jan.6 at 6:55 pm
    mo williams over walter ray? sry lang but daz a trip

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