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Friday, March 27th, 2009 at 11:50 am  |  423 responses

Links: Who’s The MVP?

Gimme five…

by Lang Whitaker

A few weeks ago, I saw a note on the video screen on the elevator here at work that some person had passed away, and that this person was known as one of the world’s greatest thinkers. Ever since reading that, I’ve realized I need to step my thinking game up. Sure, I can produce words on a screen, I can tweet, I can write stories, whatever. But I wondered: Why can’t I be a great thinker? Because thinking is on some other ish. You can think anywhere. You can think everywhere. You can think while doing other things. And best of all, you can say you’re thinking even if you aren’t, and nobody can tell the difference.

So I dedicated myself to becoming one of the world’s great thinkers. And, if I do say so myself, I think it’s worked out pretty well. I’ve been thinking like crazy lately. I mean, I’ve had some incredibly complex thoughts, things you’d never think I’d thought, I think.

And lately, I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about the NBA’s post-season awards bonanza. I was recently told that I will, for the second year in a row, be asked to vote in the NBA’s official post-season awards show, no doubt because of my amazing thinking ability. (How did David Stern know I’m a great thinker? Because he’s David Stern. And you’re not.) And I already got an email this morning from a team PR person lobbying me to vote for one of his guys in a particular category.

I haven’t even gotten around to considering most of the awards, but two of them have me vexed right now: MVP and Rookie of the Year. The two leading candidates in my mind for ROY are Derrick Rose and OJ Mayo, and I’ll get into that debate at a later date.

maurice_podoloff_mvpAs far as the MVP’s go, however, well, it’s gonna be a doozy. To me there are three obvious candidates: Kobe, Bron and Wade. I read a post on True Hoop the other day about the race, where a Lakers blogger said he felt LeBron would get the award because it’s “his turn.” Well, I don’t know who’s “turn” it is, and I don’t really care. I just want to vote for the person who deserves it the most.

And right now, I swear to you, I’m not sure who that person is. I think Dwyane Wade has been unbelievable this season, but the Heat, even with him, are only four games over .500. Without him, they’d definitely be way under .500, but how much of a difference does he really make? Then there’s Kobe, who is as amazing as always, but he still plays in what I think is one of the most dangerous systems in the NBA with one of the best coaches of all time who gets Kobe the ball in the best situations possible. And then there’s LeBron, who is surrounded by less talent than Kobe and has the Cavs battling for the best record in the League, but Bron also plays in a much weaker conference. And what about Dwight Howard? Tim Duncan? Joe Johnson? (OK, forget that last one. Sorry.)

Anyway, I thought I’d see what you guys had to say about this MVP vote. I’m looking for advice, for input, for your opinions. I’m your Super Delegate — this is your chance to have a say in how the MVP vote plays out.

I just looked at last year’s ballot and they asked for a top five. So who’s in your five?

Let me know what you think…

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  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Five, in order: Lebron
    Dwyane
    Kobe
    Chris
    Dwight

  • aLi

    Kobe, LeBron, DWade, Dwight Howard, Dirk Nowitzki

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    KOBE SUCKS

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    MVP: LeBron
    ROY: DRose
    The first one has been close IMO but Dwyane’s last couple weeks have been kind of iffy…I blame Charles Charles Magalls.
    I don’t think the second one is that close, which I argued with Lang about yesterday.
    In full disclosure, while I predicted Bron MVP since October, I thought ROY would be Beasley. Whoops.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    As long as the Bulls get into the playoffs, Rose should, without a doubt, be ROY.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    BTW, I’m still not over the relative thrill that SLAM has a vote. Great job by Lang in making that happen.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Agreed, Eboy.

  • Rome

    You are a thinker, You thought up that story about that unstoppable guy who wanders the Earth playing pick up ball, Jesse Dunn, who could make shots from half court regularly, who you said may be the greatest b-ball player on Earth…Remember that Lang, then we never heard nothing else about it!!! Whats up with that?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    MVP : Bron. I don’t think it’s really that close at this point. Wade had a monster stretch that made me wonder for a bit but then the heat kept losing games.
    ROY: Lopez. Every other rookie has a major flaw in their game. Lopez has none. He does everything a big should do and he already does it well.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Sam Mitchell
    Eddie Jordan
    Lebron James
    Kobe Bryant
    Dwight Howard

  • Myung

    LeBron. Kobe. Wade. Parker. Dwight.

  • Jack W.

    I agree with you on Wade, he is doing the same thing that Kobe did for the Lakers like 3-4 years ago, amazing but his team just hasn’t won enough. I would have to say LeBron for MVP. He’s defending better, done more with less, his team has had more injury problems than Wade’s or Kobe’s, and if we go by the example you went with with Wade, if LeBron is removed from the Cavs they would not have the best record in the league.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    My fav five:
    Lebron (best player in the NBA, best record in the league, a team tha would be a seventh seed at BEST in the EAST without him… Christ, why is there even a discussion?)
    Kobe (Not being top in the league really hurt him. It’s tough, but having the #2 spot means they played UNDER expectations. Still, they’re without Bynum, Kobe still has only nine fingers… but he has clearly lost a step inside and on the defense)
    Parker (Sorry, second in the east with constant injuries to their first and third best players? I know people give it to the coach, but I gotta give Parker some love)
    Wade (their team has dropped to sixth in the east. Not good at all)
    Howard (Second in the east! Defensive player of the year! Offense aside, this dude is the center of his team, give this guy some votes!)

  • jumpman3224

    I am a life long Lakers fan but I have to say Bron Bron deserves it. I can’t see Dwyane getting it this year when a few years back Kobe put up 35 ppg won 45 games and lost out to Nash. The Heat winning 45 is a best case scenario.
    1. LeBron
    2. Kobe
    3. Howard
    4. Dwyane Wade
    5. CP3

    Just hoping Kobe can win the Bill Russel Finals MVP!

  • riggs

    dwyane should win eff that.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Eboy, I don’t agree with that for two reasons. 1) Top rookies get usually thrown into bad situations. I think it’s too early to account for team records. I mean the Sonics had very little talent last year and didn’t make noise. Was Durant less impressive? No, throw him in Chicago at the 3 with BG and Kirk in the backcourt and that’s a playoff team in the East. 2) Rose is not carrying them to the postseason at all so I don’t feel that making or not making the playoffs should affect his ROY status. Ben Gordon has surprisingly been really consistent this year and Salmons has been ballin out of control in the absence of Deng.

  • Jackie Moon

    To date, in order:Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Dwight, Tony Park-air

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I agree with Z, in my opinion, it’s not a three-man race. Lebron had THREE huge flaws last season: outside shooting, no post game, bad defense. He spent the entire summer VASTLY IMPROVING EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE AREAS. The entire team is run through Lebron, even with the ball out of his hands. He has hit game winners, took over quarters, had triple double after triple double. Look at his team, take Lebron off the Cavs: You think these guys would be a top 4 seed? Top 5? Top SIX? Nope. If they could make the playoffs, I’d be impressed.
    Kobe’s game has digressed, Wade’s record has digressed. It’s not close.

  • jumpman3224

    Jukai: I agree that LeBron has upped the anty on his weakspot, but to say Kobe’s game has digressed is a huge dis. You take Kobe off the Lakers and they’re not a playoff team either.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Lang should put Jesse Dunn 4th on his ballot.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    “Kobe’s game has digressed, Wade’s record has digressed. It’s not close”

    Jukai (no insults this morning….I’m tired)Kobe’s game has digressed…..well…if losing a step on his explosivness and his perimiter D takes away from the entirity of his season…then that’s not fair. If anything…the fact that his team is talented…maybe moreso than any other team in the L, might be the reason he doesn’t throw up the tremendous numbers Lebron seems to do almost nightly. And you know I hate the fu*king guy…just saying.

    As far as Dwyane is concerned….sure…the team is kind of struggling at the moment….but they STILL have an outside shot at getting hot and getting the 4 seed (doubtful, but could happen)and they still control their own destiny as to where they’ll finish. Obviously…..this Heat team….without Dwayne….would probably be 5 to 7 games WORSE than last years team…..yet with him….they’re 23 games (and counting) better. It’s closer than you make it seem.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    ROY: Not as open-and-shut as people think, if you put Mayo on Chicago I think his line would look better and he would also be making the playoffs.

    MVP: I give it to AI who saved Denver’s season. But for real, Lebron, who from wire-to-wire had one of the most complete seasons ever.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    jumpman, i think it’s fair to say that kobe doesn’t have the athletic abilities he once possessed. the skills are sharper than ever but the body is slowing down. he’s 30. i remember kobe serving facials like every other game a couple of years ago.

  • Myung

    I’d imagine 2009 will be the 1st of possibly 5 or 6 MVP awards in LeBron’s trophy case, which is a scary thought, if you consider that Kareem had 6, MJ and Russell had 5, and Wilt had 4. He is just that good and that young. He makes his teammates better, and his stats will either remain about the same as this year or will get even better (frightening) for the next 6 or 7 seasons.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Lang Whitaker

    Jesse Dunn is at least third on my ballot.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Oh…..the Lakers would push for a playoff spot in the West without Kobe…..don’t play yourself.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    MVP: Mike Taylor.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Lang Whitaker

    BTW, I’ll do a ROY post next week.

  • Myung

    As for ROY, a co-co-co ROY sounds about right: Mayo, Rose, Westbrook, and Brook Lopez. It’s so hard to pick between those 4.

  • https://twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    MVP: LeBron James
    6th Man of the Year: Quicken Loans Arena
    /thread

  • http://slamonline.com/ Tzvi Twersky

    @ Ben and Lang: Can a player who balls shoeless be nominated?

  • Rome

    Jesse Dunn!!!

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    my two cents Lang? Don’t overthink it, oh great thinker. You have scaled both awards down to 2-3 candidates each. Even have your arguments, and are still unsure. So, who do you like watchingthe most. Who makes you leave your seat during games? Who is the most awe inspiring? The big 3 are all mvp candidates for different reasons. So who is Whitaker down with? And ROY is quite clearcut no? Rose.

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    Eboy … you earned some respect with that one brother!!!

  • Rome

    Oh yeah no shoes!!! I forgot about that!!

  • jumpman3224

    Eboy: They may push, but it would be extremely tough. They would be starting Gasol, Odom, Ariza, Sasha, and DFish. I dont think that lineup is exactly scarying anybody. With Bynum healthy, they’d have a better chance.

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    Would they Eboy? Would they be in the playoffs. How often did pau get memphis into the playoffs?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    James….I play the role….but I know the deal.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    mj should have had more. the media just seemed tired of voting for him. i hate it when they say people are ‘due’. malone didn’t deserve it over mj and that’s that. it’s like sloan, he has been an excellent coach, one of the best ever. but did he ever get CHEATED of a COY? not really. i wouldn’t vote for him this year either.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Well…if we were talking dreamlike scenarios (which we were) Bynum would be in the lineup…and they would be in the playoffs with that squad.

  • Myung

    I agree with eboy. If you had a healthy Bynum, Odom, Gasol, Walton, Fisher, Ariza, and Phil at the helm, you’d still have a very good shot at the playoffs. Then again, the argument could be made that in an Eastern conference that has the Bobcats (sorry, BET), Bucks, and the Nets still fighting for a playoff spot, it isn’t absurd to think that Mo Williams, Ilgauskas, and company wouldn’t grab an 8th seed either. Kobe clearly has the better supporting cast (including coaches) between the two.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Also…..I’m still waiting on Lang’s Dirty 30.

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    Kobe for MVP. The things he does on the court, doesn’t show in the stats. He is having a great season while taking a different role as to years prior. He has the ball in his hands way less the Wade or Bron and is still wreckin’ shop.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Eboy: The Heat finishing fourth gets Wade the second spot of my top five. The Heat finishing 5th gets him a third spot. The team finishing sixth gets him a fourth spot. It’s actually pretty simple: he’s playing at the same high level regardless, but will that high level help the team get wins, that’s the question.
    In fairness, it might be better that they get the sixth spot: Let Wade rest for the playoffs so he wont pass out in the second quarter of the first game of the first round. Even still, MVP to me is for regular season only, no regard to the playoffs… that’s what I got for ya.
    You may be right about Kobe, but I just don’t see him making his drives to the basket and defenders burn him more often. Therefore, he has digressed. Sorry, my opinion.
    When I say that when Lebron and Wade are BETTER than Kobe, they’re not actually better than Kobe at the peak of his career, just better than Kobe now. Ya get it?

  • Myung

    Dark, I don’t think Rose is the clear cut favorite anymore. Westbrook has gotten better every month. Lopez has the fewest flaws (he focuses on what he does well, which is put up high % shots, grab boards, and block shots). Rose and Mayo were the two best early on, but both have leveled off quite a bit in the past month or so. I think it’s going to be extremely tough to pick ONE guy out of those four.

  • jumpman3224

    Here in Ohio, ppl tend to rip Kobe for not putting up huge assists numbers (like LeBron and DWADE). But, Kobe plays in the triangle…which usually means that no one player is gonna put up huge assists numbers, because no one player controls the ball. Still think LeBron has earned it, but its closer than most think

  • Myung

    If the NBA’s had co-ROY’s before (I believe it’s happened twice?), then why can’t they have co-MVP’s? I’m sure they would never let it happen, but still…

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Myung: Isn’t that all determined by voting though? Couldn’t there actually be a co-MVP if two players get an equal number of first, second, third, fourth, and fifth place votes?

  • Rome

    Furthermore, Jumpman, Kobe usually leads his team in assists!!! People make me want to pull my brian through my nose when they call him a ball hog, HE LEADS THE TEAM IN ASSISTS YEAR AFTER YEAR!!! EVEN WHEN SHAQ WAS THERE!!!

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    Hey … what about rebounds too? Everyone is all high on Bron getting more rebounds. Cot dam* he is huge. Same size as Dwight, but gets 7 less rebounds then Dwight … BUT, Kobe and Bron average the same ammount of offensive rebounds!! Defenseive rebounds, he gets two more then Kobe a game … when most the time Bron is pushing his own teammates out of the way to get them!!

  • Rome

    I’ma keep talking about Jesse Dunn until lang fesses up and say it wasnt true!!!

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    @Rime … I hear ya brother.

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    Rome***

  • Rome

    Bron does steal a lot of rebounds from his teamates, I noticed that too, especially from his bigs!!

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    ALL THE TIME. My buddy loves BRON but agrees fully with me.

  • jumpman3224

    Rome: agreed which makes it even more impressive…he does that without always initiating the offense.
    James the Balla: agreed…good point

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    And another thing… Bron dunking… is great … but Steve nash got 2 MVP’s (One should have went to Kobe but what the heck), and he didn’t dunk once in those two years. Dunking has nothingt o dow ith it. People use that as another stat as to why he is MVP. Eff Bron lol

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    In 30 years of watching the game….I’ve never heard so much talk of a guy “stealing” rebounds….ever. So silly.

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    Thanks Jump lol

  • http://neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com Caleb

    1. Lebron
    2. Chris Paul
    3. Dwayne Wade
    4. Dwight Howard
    5. Kobe Bryant

  • Double J

    #1 Kobe Bryant

    I don’t need any others, cuz once you get past the first the four remaining tend to fall into place. But let me preach to ya, Kobe Bryant isn’t necessarily playing with more talent than Lebron so I want this all to end. Mo Williams is a better point guard than Derrick Fisher. Big Z may not be as smoothe or talented as Pau Gasol but the big man does work. Lamar Odom is matched by the intensity of Anderson Varejao and the softness of Wally Szerbiak. If Andrew Bynum were in the game right now I’d say ya, ok Kobe has a better supporting cast, but right now and for the past 5-6 months Kobe and Lebron have been placed on teams with similar role players. So now that we’ve got past that point, Kobe deserves the award simply do that he is a killer in the game and that the West Coast is still the West Coast.

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    Silly Dilly.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    James: Hey, c’mon dude, use your head. Dwight is three inches taller than Lebron, twice as Wide, and is -ALWAYS- parked under the basket. Dwight is also the tallest player in the rotation and the only player taller than him on the team only comes in when Dwight isn’t playing. Lebron, on the other hand, plays with Big Z, Big Ben, Slideshow Bob, Joe Smith and JJ Hickson, who are all one to six inches taller than him.
    Regardless of this fact, -LEBRON STILL LEADS HIS ENTIRE TEAM IN REBOUNDING-
    Just like Lebron leads his team in SCORING, ASSISTS, AND STEALS.
    In essense, drop it.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I don’t know of ONE reasonable basketball fan that ever spoke about dunking as an MVP criteria, James. Stop the madness.

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    @Caleb hahahahahahaha

  • Double J

    @Jukai: Take Kobe off the Lakers and they are competing with the Clippers for worst team ever

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Double J: Dumbest. Thing. Ever. Said.

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    @ Eboy … people use dunking all the time lol. but people tend to agree with you on here so I will stop it at that lol.

  • Myung

    Jukai, I don’t know… that’s what I figure… but it always seems like the MVP is always politics. The ROY seems to be a little less so. There always seems to be at least two deserving candidates for MVP each season, yet there’s never been a co-MVP yet we’ve had 3 co-ROY winners. You would think it would’ve happened at least once?

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    @doub J and Jukai. The first statement he had was good.. but the second – Kobe off the Lakers is almost like the raptors. Not Clippers though … common!!

  • Phil B

    lebron
    wade
    cp3
    howard
    b roy – i had to put him here because no one else will, but show me the last time a team had this kind of record with anywhere from two to four rookies playing quality time (oden in and out with injuries and bayless in and out because of quality of play). it’s all due to b roy’s ability to lead this young team.

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    Bron and Kobe accepting co-mvp would be dope. Kobe’s trophy being a bit bigger.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Myung: I’m not sure we can have co-ROYs anymore because they’ve expanded the process more similar to the MVP process. The MVP race is very political: Kobe should have gotten Nash’s second MVP, Paul should have gotten Kobe’s first MVP… but I really think Lebron is a good head above Wade and Kobe in the MVP race. As does my Dad, a Lakers fan, and my brother a (Phoenix first but) Heat (second) fan.

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    @Phil hahahahahahaha … your a joke. Silly Dilly!!

  • Myung

    I think another point worth arguing (I can’t remember who brought it up last week… one of you guys mentioned it): who will be the two guards for the All NBA First Team? Who gets left off between Kobe, Wade, and Paul?

  • Chris

    Kobe Deserves MVP. He’s having arguably the best season of his career and has the lakers atop the league without Andrew Bynum. The Lakers are also 4-0 against the other top teams ( celtics and cavs). And Wade is having a terrific statistical year but Kobe didnt have a bad year himself when he was 5th place in MVP voting. (35.4 ppg!!) NOt too long ago. So it should be
    1. Kobe
    2. LeBron
    3.D-Wade

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Myung: Paul. That’s not even a question, except for blind Kobe haters.

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    Paul this year.

  • Double J

    @Jukai: ok maybe worst team ever is a tad overexaggerating but seriously, without Kobe that lakers team would be down right nasty (and i mean in a literal sense). I think B-Diddy would run all over them, as well as any other team with a decent aggressive guard

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Double J: A lineup of Derick Fisher (playoff proven underrated guard), Sasha (the weak end of the lineup), Lamar Odom (who slam dubbed as the ‘next magic’), Pau Gasol (who lead one of the worst teams I’ve ever seen the playoffs), and Bynum (who every LA resident would swear up and down with a creepy zombie-like expression is the next Kareem) wouldn’t make the playoffs? With a bench of Ariza, Walton, and Farmar? Get outta here dude.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    That team right there is WAY better than the Mavericks.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Paul gets left off, especially if wade does not get mvp, Myung

  • Double J

    hahahah ok ok ok, guess my lakers roots are being ripped up without kobe there. But hey I bet that team wouldn’t last. Any big offer from another team, they’d be bouncin’ sad but true

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    No offense Jukai … but when playoffs come, and after. When it is summer. And you are chillin’ with your boys… this is what you will be saying “Pau only went to the playoffs once, he got lucky. Farmar fell of and is over rated. Odom is soft as tissue and chokes all the time. Walton … common. D Fish, is great, but fast PG’s he has trouble with. Sasha … common lol.” We all know this, you can’t say the Lakers team is great because it’s an excuse to give Bron the MVP. The bench had a good year this year. But all this year they have done nothing. Last night in the win the bench was -20 something all together!!!!

  • Myung

    Basketball Reference has the break down of the voting for all the past MVP winners. Last season, Carlos Boozer, Rasheed Wallace, and Antawn Jamison all got an MVP vote. Those voters should have their voting rights taken away.

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    good year last year***

  • Double J

    @james the balla: MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    James:The boys you chill with appear to be idiots.Oh,LeBron by the way.

  • http://web.mac.com/roaringred bbaby

    LeBron

  • Myung

    For the record, CP’s averages are 22.2, 5.4, 10.9, and 2.8 steals while shooting a higher % than Kobe from the field, FT line, and 3 point line. Kobe’s at 27.6, 5.4, 4.9, and 1.4 steals. I realize that the Lakers have a better record than the Hornets, but then again, the Hornets have a better record than Wade’s team. I DO think Wade is clear cut First NBA choice at one guard spot, even if he doesn’t win MVP (based on his eye-popping stats). I’m not saying it SHOULD be Paul over Kobe for that other spot. I’m just saying it’s not as clear cut as some of you might think.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/blogs/the-links/2009/03/links-whos-the-mvp/ Deuce21

    1.Wade
    2.Lebron
    3.Kobe
    4.Paul
    5.Howard

    The only reason I give Wade the award is this time last year we were seriously talking about him never being as good as his championship season. I think he’s even more dynamic and clutch this season. Lebron is so close to getting the next 4-5 mvp’s but not this year.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Mmmm… you guys are kinda quick to dismiss 22-11-5 with 3 steals and rock solid percentages all across as not 1st team worthy. I mean, when’s the last time a pg had those kind of stats?

  • Aaron

    Lebron Kobe Howard Wade CP.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Damn, Myung beat me to it. lol

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    Bron
    Wade
    Kobe
    Paul
    Parker
    Wade and his team have slumped some. Wade has been playing great, but his team hasn’t gotten wins, and some of the losses have come against subpar teams. (The Bulls!) If not for the recent slump, I would have Wade as MVP because when I watch him his game appeals to me more than Lebron.
    Kobe is still nice, but he’s not as nice. And his team is stacked.
    Paul is killing, he has MVP numbers, but his team is too up and down. They might lose in the first round.
    Parker is killing too, but I don’t think anybody would put him in the argument for best player in the league, so he can’t get a real shot at MVP. Putting him fifth just says “Hey, you had a great year.”

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    I addressed Paul before I even read Myung and Z’s comments. I’m psychic like that.

  • Pic

    Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Parker, Dwight.

    I just remembered, wasn’t Bosh talking about going for the MVP two weeks into the season?

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    Ok … Kobe or Paul. Geez. MJ in his late days or Jason kidd … good one. If you would take Paul, over, you are cracked.

  • Myung

    Joe Johnson was the league MVP through the first 6 games of the season.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    If not for the recent slump, I would have Wade as MVP because when I watch him his game appeals to me more than Lebron. / IMO, that’s a very weak argument.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I’m not reading James’ posts anymore. That’s it.

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    @Myung … I thought CB4 was? Z … I would appreciated … thanks.

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    Appreciate it* … but Z. Seriously. You are a Kobe Hater anyways so it don’t matter.

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    When you compare the Heat’s record from last year, I think Wade should have consideration over Kobe. The Lakers this year have pretty much done what was expected of them this year. Last year’s MVP was given to say “ok we forgive you for the Denver thing.” CP deserved it much more, and the year before that Kobe deserved it (he scored a FUNCTIONAL 81 points!). Not that Kobe’s better than Wade, but still.

  • Rome

    theserioustip.blogspot.com/2008/03/legend-of-jesse-dunn-and-other.html

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    *Not that Wade is better than Kobe, but still. The Heat have a playoff spot. When I look at their roster, they SHOULD NOT have a playoff spot. 4th seed, no less.

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    4th seed in the east. Which in the West … they are behind Phoenix, who has no spot …

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    And right now they are 5th seed!!

  • Myung

    Or a 6th, even.

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    Oops, I meant to say 6th. @James; And I’m plenty glad that they have no friggn spot! 1.They asked Porter to do what he did; players complained, he got fired. That’s some sucker ish. 2.Shaq is doing and saying all of this for what? Your not winning, you’ll be at home ina couple of weeks, and that’s the bottom line. Fall Back.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    LeBron, Wade, Kobe, CP3, French guy.

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    yeah I agree. But Wade would be almost out of the playoffs … actually out of the playoffs with another loss if he was in the West. I think one more loss. Hold up I am going to check.

  • Jon

    how come nobody’s talking about tony parker?

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    Ok, so they would be behind the Suns two full games. Which would be 6 games out of the playoffs. With 10 games left … but in the East they are 5th seed.

  • Myung

    Jon, there was an entire post about Parker yesterday.

  • Rome

    I wonder if slam posts the Lebron vs. Kobe, MVP debate, and Shaq quote stories/discussions when they need a bump in online traffic, to justify their web-ad space pricing to cpmpanies?

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    lol

  • http://davissportsdeli.com/wordpress/ Basketball Fiend

    LeBron has risen to every challenge this season and has the best team (by record) in the NBA. I have to go with him #1.

    After that, it’s got to be Kobe (for raising the level of his team after Bynum’s injury). Then D-Wade (amazing this season), D-Howard (DPOY & it may be the best season in Magic history), and KG (the Celts are not the same without him).

  • Rome
  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    They really are the 5th Seed? Wow. I see your point, so I guess that I can just hold on to my point about the Heat’s vast record improvement. I don’t dislike the Suns, so I’ll say that at least this’ll be an opportunity for them to re-assess their situation. Shaq is a Franchise Buster, hands down.

  • DLinkWit

    LeBron, Wade, Kobe, CP3, Tony Parker

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm…..it’s pretty one-sided that Lebron will get the SLAM vote for MVP if Lang uses these comments as our Super Delegate.

  • poohbiz

    lebron
    dwade
    paul
    kobe
    billups

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    See spaceship. Not so special anymore for Wade. Yeah … LeBron is pretty high up on all of your guys list that is for sure. Panty sniffers lol!!!

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    Z
    Meh. I don’t there is any factual argument you can make that truly proves that Lebron, Kobe or Wade deserve the MVP more than the other two.
    I think it’s all about your subjective preferences and what you like in a player’s game. All of them are killing on the same level pretty much, and considering their teams, all of them are having great success. Right now, Lebron’s success is slightly better than everybody else’s given what he has to work with, so he wins. If their success was completely equal, i would prefer Wade because when I watch him play I think he impacts his team slightly more than Lebron and his game doesn’t hurt my eyes as often. I think Lebron is great, but considering how Lebron isos on the wing, he needs some more moves.

  • http://VNSNY.org Spaceship Jay

    Sure. LeBron is first in my vote.

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    @Poo … HAHAHAHA your a joke, GTFOH!!!

  • Michael

    lebron
    paul
    wade
    dwight
    kobe

    ROY will be rose, but westbrook, mayo and lopez have a case. saying that, lopez has zero chance of getting it

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    @Michael … HAHAHAHA GTFOH

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    James….serious question…..now that you see a large majority of people giving Lebron the nod for MVP in their minds and votes…..do you think it’s still twisted ’cause the league is going to “give” it to him cause it’s “his turn”. They did the same thing with your boy last year, too, btw….so don’t try to be slick with your answer, either.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    James:Why do you care so much about how other people feel about Kobe.He should know by now that you love him.That’s enough.But seriously,what difference does it make?I would think that most here would have an accurate view of Kobe as one of the best of his generation etc and those who go on like Kobe is the most irrelevant player since Osterstag are easily discountable.Acting like Kobe is the It*lian Jesus also makes you easily discountable and by your logic since I don’t believe that Kobe is this year’s MVP,I’m a hater.This is stupid.

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    IDK about you guys but what Wade is doing this season is great and all but didn’t LeBron do something very similar 30, 7, 7, on the cavs a few years ago but was punished because his team didn’t have 50 wins so the MVP went to Steve Nash? And Kobe getting the MVP should not happen this year for reasons Lang highlighted, and the fact that his team has not improved over last year, the MVP vote was close last year and the Lakers were about this good, but the Cavs and Heat have imrpoved by 22 and 30 wins. Thats a huge increase for both teams and I am more impressed with the 22 win improvement by cleveland. I know Mo Williams has a lot to do with it, but seriously he makes a 22 win difference? Or does LeBron having the 2nd Most Efficient Season since 1972 have more to do with it? If you think about awarding Dwayne Wade for making his team better just remember he is making a team better by 30 wins and they were the worst team in the league last year, but the Cavs have improved by over 20 wins but were still 4th in the east last year.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Izzo

    Also:Did I just invent the word ‘discountable’?

  • Maeng

    definetely Lebron. Period!

  • http://slamonline.com James The Balla

    Seriously … MVP, between Kobe and lebron. That is it!!! Kobe got robbed many years now!!!! The 47 wins, 35.7 ppg was sick, but Steve. He deserved it last year too. He worked his a&& off to come out of the West top dog. But anyways. I know Bron will more then likely get ti this year. He played fantastic. i don’t like his game, Wade is ALOT better. But bron has brute force. If he gets it that great but, Kobe and all “he’s slipping” talk is hilarious. When Kobe was taking 24 shots a game, he was a ball hog. When he passes, he isn’t averaging 35 ppg. When he is steadying out to have energy going into the playoffs he is slumping and slowing down. Everything negative. But I have to leave work now and hit the gym … so i ahve to end this early. Have a good debate everyone.

  • shane

    D.Rose is a freak. but E.Gordon is nasty too. give him a look when you vote for ROY

  • http://slamonline charlie

    Dwade is the the best player in the nba

  • http://slamonline charlie

    dwade

  • Rome

    I wish the league would just come out with rules or a their preferred formula for it, so that we can stop arguing…

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Look Lang, don’t try to be some go against the grain type of guy. The award is LeBron’s. It was his to lose and he hasn’t lost it. Just fall in line and vote for the King.

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    James has some delusion that Kobe has told him he is “steadying out.” HAHA you are just a kobe-gargaler who can’t see past his own Eye-Lids. The Lakers NEED homecourt THROUGHOUT the playoffs Kobe is not steadying anything, especially considering about 2 weeks ago Kobe had a span of 2 or 3 games in which he attempted 67 shots and only had 2 assists. For someone who is “steadying out” or “pacing himself” he is sure trying to put in a lot of work.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Unless Nash is planning to give Kobe one or both of his MVPs, this one has to go to Kobe. Mainly because this is probably the last year that LeBron will even leave it up for debate.

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    thats a dumb reason to give MVP to anyone

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Learn your history, no brain knucklehead. The MVP award is given out for “dumb” reasons regularly. Such as “Let’s give it to the friendly white canadien who has not been charged with rape, and plays the worst defense in the league.”

  • The Seed

    James the Balla is right, Kobe has been robbed of MVP’s, Lebron game is wack to me, he drives to the lane and runs over folks, trying to get an AND 1. I have read many articles about his game, how can the best player in the NBA, not be able to shoot and dribble or have a back down post game. Sad, when you really think about it. Lebron game needs some work, he won’t win a championship, not being able to shoot. Plus I feel that people give him passes too much on stuff, the guy is 6’9 260, he should be posting up more. I feel Kobe is the MVP, because his team will have the best record and he has taken a back seat to help the team win. Just wait until playoffs start and Kobe like last year, increase his scoring per game and assists and rebs. People wait up and see we are going to give a player who fundamentals suck, playing with just brute force an MVP award. Whats wrong with America.

  • http://neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com Caleb

    I would definitely take Chris Paul over Kobe. No question.

  • http://www.alloutblitz.com cordeazy

    Ricky Davis
    Flip Murray
    Starbury
    Darius Miles
    Sean Livingston

  • neaorin

    You know who’s not sweating this one bit? Kobe and LeBron. They both got bigger fish to fry this year.

  • http://neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com Caleb

    And I’m not sure why my MVP list is so funny James. Kobe’s a fantastic player, we all know that… but when it comes to “most valuable,” he’s definitely 5th on my list.

  • Scott

    LeBron
    Kobe
    Dwyane
    CP3
    Dwight

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm….Seed, you are James are two well documented Kobe slurpers…..the real question is what’s wrong with you? I love Dwyane more than the next guy….but I know dude’s not getting it…..although he’s outplayed your boy this season, too. It’s facts kid….Lebron is that guy today…..and his team being above your Lakers in the standing too should make a statement as well…..but you guys aren’t level headed enough to use that logic.

  • The Seed

    Caleb I would take Deron Williams over Chris Paul, just like the Jazz. Also have you noticed all the Chris Paul love going away in the media. Poor little hornet.

  • https://twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Chris Andersen

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    *you and

  • The Seed

    Eboy, if Lebron has the best record give it to him, but if Kobe has the best record give it to him. Stats mean nothing. Lebron has the ball 85% of the time for the Cavs. So of course he will have better numbers. Dwayne came on at the end of the season, needs to do it all year. Plus his team sucks. Hawks will put them out. I actually believe the Heat would put out the Cavs, Wade always brings his A game against Lebron and Lebron craps out against him, for some reason.

  • http://neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com Caleb

    I’ve noticed hes been left out of the MVP discussion, yeah, which is dumb considering the season he’s having. As for the D-will debate, I’d rather not get into it – its not like Im going to change your mind or vice versa. Williams is a great point guard though, no question, and he has a great team surrounding him.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    I’m actually missing some of the SLAM fam’s picks here too…..particulary: Ryan Jones (how’s San Francisco?), Myles Brown (brand new brother in town), Holly Mac(the Queen), etc. We got Russ in the mix so….please weigh in.

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    I agree with the Seed to some point. I feel like if I were 6’9 260lbs with my same skill set that I have now intact (which is no where near NBA status) that I would bust LeBron’s @$$; defensivley and offensivley. I don’t feel the same way at all about Kobe. Kobe (maybe Wade?) is light years ahead of LeBron skill wise. But stats and wins are just that. Stats and wins.

  • http://neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com Caleb

    “Lebron has the ball 85% of the time for the Cavs.”

    Hmm… so maybe that means he’s you know, “most valuable.”

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Spaceship Jay….do you have a team you root for?

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    Its funny that the_seed and james say LeBron can’t dribble or shoot when his 3.0 TO’s a game are not much different then Kobes 2.6, add in the fact that LeBron puts up 2.6 more assists a game I would say LeBron handles the ball better. Then there is the shooting aspect, LeBron shoots 48.8% percent from the field while Kobe is at 47%. Oh LeBron shoots better because he is a bulldozer you say? Kobe shoots 34% from 3 and LeBron shoots 33.3%, while LeBron has attempted 51 more 3 pointers. LeBron puts up more points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, hits more Ft’s, hits more 3′s at the same clip and only playes 1.8 more minutes a game. Oh and his team has a better record.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    Spaceship is using my rebound guideline. Bron+280 pounds=7 Rebounds????

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    I never said he couldn’t dribble…

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    @Eboy; Yep, I’m going for the Heat; as far as their young, underdeveloped, absolute beast-led @$$es will take them in the playoffs.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    I’m trying to be ‘nicer’ recently at request (not a ban threat, but a request, so I respect that) but lord, someone, please tell me how idiots like The Seed and James the Ballah can exist.
    Lebron only drives and runs over people? Seriously?
    Lebron is shooting 33% from outside (not amazing, but respectable) but right inside the line he is shooting nearly 40%! The only area of the floor where he’s still shooting subpar is the area immediately outside of the paint, and that’s only because he has a habit of trying to toss it in from that area instead of setting up for a shot.
    BUT FORGET ALL THESE “FACTS”
    Lebron has VASTLY expanded his offensive arsenal. He’s posting up every single smaller defender on his: he BEAT the Blazers in overtime by doing nothing but posting up. He’s improving his spin moves around the lane, and his improvement in the passing lanes (while at the same time gambling less, which is quite impressive) has earned him far more fast break points than last year.
    Plus it just aggrivates me hearing about Lebron’s offensive deficiencies, when he’s averaging more points than Kobe with a higher shooting percentage! Plus, Kobe, who is the “master” at the three point shot, only shoots 7% better outside the arc than Lebron! What the hell is up with that!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    James is it odd that there is a segment of guys that have mentioned Kobe is strating to slip slightly and you get madder and madder and madder at each statement and then you try and point out shortcomings of Lebrons’s…..although none of the guys that pointed out that fact about Kobe root for Lebron or are fans of the Cavs. You’re angered reaction just shows that you know it too…..but you’re trying to reflect that sh*t on other guys to make it go away.

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    Ughm Spaceship Jay you cant put hypothetical I think i would bust LeBron’s a** into MVP equation for obvious reasons first your not 6’9 275 so who cares, and LeBron is and dominates and thats all that matters. MVP is not MSP (most skilled player). Valuable – Of great importance, use, or service – does that say anything about what would happen if someone else were the same person? Or does that say anything about god given attributes making something less valuable? Didn’t think so

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    reflect = deflect

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Yeah….cause it it was the MSP (Most Skilled Player) Award, it would go to Derrick Rose!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    I truly don’t think Kobe is slipping. Just becomming more wise. For how AMAZING Bron is. It is still one game. You gargle Bron, just as much as you say I gargle Kobe. Scope in my two step!!!

  • http://neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com Caleb

    Kobe is a 34% career three-point shooter. Decent, but uh, nothing special. Lebron is at this point a career 32.6% three-point shooter.

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    So is Michael Jordan but he is not the best basketball player in the world right now idiot

  • http://neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com Caleb

    James is it difficult to talk with Kobe Bryant’s big black mamba in your mouth all the time? Just curious.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    Anyways, going away party for a guy going to Afghaistan. Have a great day. Bron for MVP.

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    hahaha

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    hahaha

  • http://neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com Caleb

    @nbk. were you talking to me… I wasn’t ragging on Lebron, I was saying that their 3-pt percentages are pretty close.

    Fact is I hate both of these guys though.

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    no i was talking about Kobe getting “wiser” not worse

  • http://neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com Caleb

    Word.

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    I pointed out the 3pt % thing at 2:47

  • http://www.eric32woodyard.wordpress.com Eric Woodyard

    KOBE!!!

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    First off nbk, take the cape off your back; its showing me your ability to fly into each other people’s conversations. Second, what if (God forbid) LeBron caught one of those crazy Grant/Penny injuries? What would he have left to come back with? Nothing kid. Oh yeah, He’d go to the Suns.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/GTAS-comics-MVP-couch-rage?urn=nba,149327
    THIS IS JAMES THE BALLAH
    PLEASE LET THIS CLEAR MODERATION FAST

  • toney blare

    Zach Randolph

  • http://neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com Caleb

    Ah, so you did.

  • http://neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com Caleb

    Zach Randolph. SWAC of the year. Props to basketbawful.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Spaceship Jay: Too bad he doesn’t have a Grant/Penny injury. Oh yeah, and he’s still the best player in the NBA. Dur hur.
    You know, Sasha Pavlovich is probably a more talented player than Shaq. We should probably give him Shaq’s MVP.

  • http://neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com Caleb

    What if Kobe’s head exploded? Oh that’s right his head hasn’t exploded. So we’ll talk about that when it happens.

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    I think this is LeBron’s year too. I just don’t think he’s better than any of the guys on the list. Relax.

  • Derrick Smith

    1.Kobe
    2.Lebron
    3.Howard
    4.Wade
    5.Paul
    People always say Lebron is putting up such huge numers, dont get me wrong he is a great player but the offense runs around him so of course he is gonna average 7 assits a game everything goes thru him. He guards forwards so it makes it easier for him to grab rebounds. Kobe is the best player in the league and everyone agrees…so doesnt that make him MVP. Howard is a sleeper pick becuase hes a breast on the boards and avg. like 3 blocks, and dont forget his scoring 21 ppg.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Derrick: No one agrees Kobe is the best in the league. You do know this is 2009, right?

  • http://neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com Caleb

    CP3 is nearly as deserving as Lebron, but even as Hornets fan, I can see that Lebron is the #1 option.

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    thats the best you have? what would happen if he got injured? uhm he would be injured and then we would be having a different conversation, I am only talking about right now, and right now LeBron is better then Kobe at most everything, and the things Kobe is better at, its not by much. LeBron is MVP, plain and simple there is proof everywhere. You can go to ESPN read why LeBRon is MVP part 1 and 2, you can read MVP power rankings from every NBA website all season. Or try this on for size, use your brain and logic. The only reasonable argument anyone can possibly have to why Kobe would be MVP has not even been said yet, Kobe is the only player who has not lost to the top teams in the league this year. He beat Cleveland twice and is the only team to beat them in Cleveland (to my knowledge), and they beat Boston twice. If anything Kobe’s MVP argument hinges on him beating his championship competition

  • Get Money

    Come on man Wade gets the Heat in the playoffs, he should win MVP. Who the hell is MaGalls?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Why are people acting like LeBron is the first guy to be 6’8 and 250 in this league?

  • http://neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com Caleb

    The MVP award is basically meaningless anyway though… not much better than an all-star selection in terms of what it tells us about a player.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Caleb: except that they were one of the best, most valuble players in the league. How is it worthless?

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    He is 6’8 275 Z and he is the first one that is that size and the fastest, highest jumping player in the league. Its like if Nate Robinson was born on a nuclear power plant hills have eyes style

  • http://neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com Caleb

    Its worthless in that its essentially a popularity contest with no set criteria. Yes a person who gets an MVP is obviously a great player, but it doesn’t neccesarilly mean he’s the best and its useless in comparing players.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I feel like if I were 6′9 260lbs with my same skill set that I have now intact (which is no where near NBA status) that I would bust LeBron’s @$$; defensivley and offensivley.
    GTFOH! I don’t mean to be rude but this is just INSANE hate! You’ve just said that LeBron’s skill set is NOT near NBA status. GTFOH!

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    nbk; Calm down, calm down. Relax. Stop typing so fast. I said that LeBron deserves it this year, but I don’t think he’s much better than the other guys listed in everyone’s top five.
    ^See? Did you read that? The inury part was related to him skill wise, not him being MVP. See^? read it.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Guys, find my link that cleared moderation, and read the comic. That’s pretty much James the Ballah right there.

  • http://neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com Caleb

    You are making some sense Spaceship Jay, unlike James the Balla.

  • http://slamonline.com Lang Whitaker

    Posted that and went out to lunch…looks like I’ve got some reading to do.

  • http://neworleansbasketball.blogspot.com Caleb

    Except for the whole busting lebron thing, that was pretty dumb

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Hey Lang, all you gotta remember is Joe Johnson, Al Horford, Mike Bibby, Josh Smith, and Marvin Williams. That was the group consensus. Vote in that order.

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    His physical size and ability isn’t. His skill set is enough to get by. If he was the same size as any other of these guys were talking about, would we be talking about him? Anyways, what I’m saying is hypothetical anyways; Why is this being taken so seriously again?

  • http://slamonline.com Lang Whitaker

    @Jukai: Got it! Thanks!

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    Spaceship Jay, I am calm very calm and I actually start laughing when I see that you still don’t get it, your hypothetical situations mean nothing, they prove nothing and they lead to nothing. If LeBron gets hurt he will still be a freak, but either way it hasn’t happened so there is not point worrying about it. What if I woke up tomorrow 7’4 280Lb’s with a sky hook like Kareem, I bet their will be 8 NBA scouts waiting for me at the end of my driveway when I leave to go to the gym in the morning…..except there is no way to know because that hasn’t happened. do you get it yet?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I never thought that someone could get more hate than Kob online but Lebron is closing in. Now dudes are saying that he’s stealing boards and his assists are only a byproduct of his system. It’s not like he has outstanding court vision or anything, nope it’s all Mike Brown.

  • Myung

    Lang, all these comments are pretty much like a regular debate every single day within every single NBA-related SLAMonline post, except this time, you asked people to chime in. Usually, people take it upon themselves, each and every AM, to start up the “Kobe or LeBron” debate. BTW, that’s a nice long lunch break you had. Haha.

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    Jukai suck, < kobe hater…

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    Sigh….. read above.^

  • http://www.hoopmixtape.com Simon S.Y Lawy

    kobekobekobekobekobe… MVP

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    In essence, Spaceship Jay, you’re saying that we should penalized LeBron because he is incredibly gifted athletically? Were you the kind of guy that said things like ‘oh it’s aight, they were bigger and older than us’ when you had you -ss whooped in a pick up game when you were a kid?

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    Z… How do you “steal a board”?? I don’t mind if anyone cracks a joke about my ignorance towards this one..

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Òkay, I’m done wasting my time. I’ve just realized that I’ve been trying to convince delusional fanatics that LeBron is actually a pretty good NBA player. lol

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Stealing boards is snatching them from teammates when the rebound is already secured by your team.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    Spaceship Jay: I have noted twice (I have watched 97% of the Cavs games this season) that Lebron, during two of his triple doubles, pretty much ripped rebounds away from his teammates. So, just about five or six of his rebounds this season should have been his teammates rebounds. So yeah, forget those five or six rebounds when trying to figure who is MVP. That’ll change everything.

  • Mark

    Don’t diss too hard on the former Leastern Conference.

    I know the West is dominant 4-9, but they also have all the league’s real bottom feeders except for the Wizards

    I have no problem with a D-Wade vote, assuming you voted for and/or supported a Lebron MVP for similar reasons the past couple of years.

    I’m obviously pulling for Lebron, but let’s be honest. Lebron could finish with NO votes for MVP, and if the Cavs win the title, well, who gives a crap

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    Uhh.. ok. Honestly, I haven’t seen LeBron do that. But ok.

  • Eric

    1. Lebron
    2. Kobe
    3. Wade
    4. Brandon Roy
    5. Howard

  • blackedout

    1. Lebron
    2. Wade
    3. Brandon Roy
    4. Howard
    5. Kobe

    Simple…remove that one player and where would those teams be? All the top 4 would be lottery teams. Kobe’s team is much better therefore he is less valuable of a player. And yes…Brandon Roy is at a point in his career where he should be considered for this award.

  • Brad

    I am glad you are trying to be a better thinker. Let me explain my thought process to you. You have to compare a players stats to those of other players at his position and then see how outstanding that guy is. For example, Wade and Kobe both won’t get as many rebounds as Lebron, but they are exceptional against other two guards. Take a look at per, or stats, think about putting an average 2 or 3 in the place of wade, kobe, bron, and then think about how much that player elevates the team. Then choose the most valuable to the team, and who you think you would want on your team to give you a chance of winning if you were one of his team mates. That should give you the answer you are looking for. That is how I think about it, and I pick Wade, LeBron, Then Dwight (Have you seen how many bad centers there are out there? replace Dwight with Samual Dalembert and see how well they do.), then I would pick Kobe, (Seriously if J-Rich played in Kobe’s spot, the lakers would still be pretty good). That is my take.

    Thanks for listening

  • Mellz

    1. Kobe: best shooting season of career,plays less minutes than other candidates due to big leads while on court, plays difficult western conference schedule.

    2. Lebron: producing wins to go with crazy stats

    3. D-Wade: single-handedly carrying a team many picked to be last in conference, leads league in scoring and having one of best all around seasons of all time.

    4. CP3: leads in assist and steals

    5. Chauncey Billups: Same argument given for KG winning DPOY… changed culture of his team.

  • Myung

    I’m not sure who the MVP should be, but I think the bottom of the rankings look something like: 356. Shelden Williams 357. Randolph Morris 358. Craig “Speedy” Claxton 359. Elton Brand 360. Tracy McGrady

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    Thanks for the clarity Z. But I’ve never said that after a pick-up game. But seeing how fast you typed that makes me pretty sure that you were speaking from experience. Good luck with that.

  • Ben

    1 – D.Wade (anyone can win with talent around him – it takes the best player in the NBA to win with little to nothing around him)
    2 – Kobe
    3 – LeBron
    4 – Tony Parker (helped save the Spurs season without much from Manu or Duncan)
    5 – Deron Williams

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    LeBron, Wade, KB, Paul, and Chauncey.

  • me
  • JB

    Kobe, he brings it every night, his team has a good chance of gaining the #1 overall seed–and keep in mind they were the preseason favorites to do just that, so the high expectations have been met–and his numbers are just a hair off LeBron’s with quite a few more miles on the odometer. Plus, his hesitation dribble last night against the Pistons was a thing of beauty. Not many people can fake out three guys with one move. Granted, one was Kwame Brown, but still.

    Taking nothing away–he’s had an amazing year, but we haven’t seen the best of Bron yet. In the next year or two when he wins his first, he’ll likely deserve to place first, second, and third.

    But just like last year when it was Kobe/CP3, the one who ended up with the better record at season’s end won the hardware. I don’t expect it to be different this year. Cleveland ends up with the 1-seed, it’s Bron. If it’s LA, Kobe. But it still won’t make up for the 2006 season.

  • JB

    Paragraph formatting would be nice. Ugh. Line break tags work?

  • Sebastian B. O. Bunionstow, esq.

    1. LeBron
    2. D-Wade
    3. Kobe
    4. Pierce
    5. Paul

    OJ Mayo dropped out of the ROY running weeks ago. Rose, Love, Westbrook are in the conversation.

  • Sebastian B. O. Bunionstow, esq.

    Lang, Joe should be in the conversation.

  • showtimeizback

    warning really long post to follow, very well thought out, pro Kobe, but minimally biased.

  • Chris

    You know, one thing has been nagging at me lately about this MVP debate. And it is this;

    1) All the “talking heads” seem to agree that defence wins championships and that most coaches worth their salt would have rather have the top defensive team in the leagure over the top offensive team.

    2) Everyone talks about Lebron doing more with less. What exactly is that less ? Less offensive talent ? Well yes, defensive Talent (and yes i said defensive talent), well no. If the game was on the line and you were playing defense, you would easily want to be the CAVS instead of the LAKERS.

    So when I look at this two facts, it does not make sense. Lebron does not do more with less, the CAVS win by defense and the LAKERS win by offense. The LAKERS are talented offensively and play defense in spurts while the CAVS preach defense but can get hot for quarters and put up some points. So in summary, I would love for everyone to stop preaching that defense wins chanmpionships and then turn around and say Lebron is doing more with less, because the qualification for less is a very hypocritical.

    Co-MVP Kobe, Lebron
    I believe they end up with the same record, with LA winning the tie breaker. Lebron has better stats because ultimately the NBA collects more offensive stats and suprise !!! that is where the CAVS are limited.

  • showtimeizback

    Wade

    anti wade argument is simple. jordan 89, Kobe 06, kobe 07, lebron 07, lebron 08. -really thats enough.

    but, the argument, if you take the wade off the heat they win 20 games is garbage.
    20 games is about 20 less than they have. if you take bron or kobes off their teams, the teams win 20 less games, although still allowing them to be playoff teams. so to me that doesn’t add to wades value more than lebron or Kobes.

    also, winning more games than last year’s ridiculous team shouldnt mean anything. (similar to CP3 last year. NO’s resurgence, just because a injured team did poorly the year before doesnt mean anything this year).

    MVP definition

    the MVP technical definition is most valuable player. period. Not necessarily to their team. This could be taken to mean to the league, to the world, to their franchise, anything. I think the MVP voters vote most valuable towards a championship. lebron does more for his team, that doesnt necessarily make them more prepared to win a championship. Kobes team is talent-wise better, but they need experience and toughness, hence he allows them to develop that. Throughout the years, the players that win MVPs are on teams that have a great shot at winning a title.

    When Jordan won the majority of his MVPs his team won the championship.

    When Shaq/Duncan/Olajuwan won MVP there teams won championships or went far.

    AI/Kobe/Malone/barkely won championship lost in finals to superior teams.

    KG won MVP went to WCF.

    Dirk won MVP year after went to finals, if not for upset probably would have went further.

    Only the back to back Steve Nash MVPs kind of disagree. I know one year, Amare was hurt, and another year they got jerked (Bloody nose/ Suspensions).

    Teams

    Teams vs team. The cavs team is often maligned for having less talent than the lakers. The Celtics DEFINITELY had less overall talent then the lakers but pretty much whooped them in the finals. Because their staple is Defense and toughness. lebrons teammates do not get enough credit for their defense and hustle (How else could they beat Detroit, take boston to 7), all short comings for the lakers. box scores stats (hollinger, 82 games, rolland, etc) dont tell the other side of the court. if kobe had a team that could keep the game close with outstanding defense and then all he had to do was close it out, he would accel. the cavs have experience and toughness and a dedication to defense. Before Mo Williams, it was a tribute to Lebron that he accounted for so much of the teams offense, but defense carried them to put lebron in a position to win. The only real advantage kobe has teamwise is the difference between Gasol and Mo Williams and Coaching (and Bynum when healthy). Between the rest of the rosters, the cavs are honestly more built for winning a championship. They are similar to the bulls championship teams if you liken Mo Williams to Pippen (at least offensively). Rugged, tough, experienced. DEFENSE. Rebounding. They both have shooters and rebounders. They both have 2 of the greatest defensive players of all time. Wallace and Rodman. Mo Williams skill wise is as good as Pau Gasol. However, Pau is a big, so he is the better player more consistently, especially in the post orientated triangle offense. Mo Williams is explosive hence, multiple 40 point games this season. Also Mo Williams is the best clutch shooter on their team (not player).

    If you were to switch Lebron and Kobe, i think the cavs do better, as lebrons jumper would not sit well in the triangle offense. This is not by much at all. 1 or 2 games better. Also factored in is that the position lebron would play on LA is crowded so there would essentially be 1 less rotation player.

    Stats

    Speaking of the triangle offense and stats. If you check the records, Jordan (the GOAT for all intents and purposes) averaged very close to the same rebounds and assist as kobe when he played in the triangle offense. The triangle offense simply limits an individual’s ability to get assist.

    in 05 kobe averaged the most assist in his career, no coincidence he didn’t play in the triangle offense, although he didnt really have anyone to pass to.

    case and point, wade Bron and CP3 all average alot of assist. however there teams are all next to each other in the bottom of the league in terms of assist averaged per game. the lakers are second, and kobe leads the team in assist. So the ball moves, there are just alot of hockey assist and such (unfortunately a stat not tracked).

    Kobe is near top of the league in rebounding for his position. he is averaging nearly what jordan did on the bulls during his MVP seasons. again the triangle offense plus a good rebounders (rodman, odom, bynum, gasol) limit a guards rebounds.

    Stats don’t account for the order and confidence with which a team plays with when their star player on the court. Often the lakers bench, although better than other benches, plays selfish and sloppy when kobe is not in the game. So yes his team would be considered better, but they are best when Kobe is playing. Lebron’s presence on the court in allowing his teammates to perform well is equally as valuable. I was just saying the stats don’t account for this.

    Defense

    1 on 1 defense edge goes to kobe. Lebron, being the incredible defender he is, leads his teams defense now and is a great help/weakside defender. He quarterbacks the D. he gets the timely blocks and steals. As Hollinger and Bill Simmons discussed in their pod cast he is doing what is asked of him by his coach. Kobe does what his coach ask him to (most of the times), like when he guarded rondo. He also guard the best players down the stretch (or lebron and wade the whole game).

    Deciding factor

    now saying all this, lebron has still been more valuable to his team through out the season. but in the case of winning a championship, which is what it is ultimately about, kobe has done better. By virtue of winning all the games vs the big boys.

    i think the cavs great home record will be a knock on Lebron for the MVP if they lose to boston at home. they will have been 39 and 2 and home. but the 2 losses will be to their main contenders boston, and the other MVP candidate Kobe. in all the big games this year, lebron has played poorly by wade/kobe/lebron standards. kobe hs made huge assist and huge baskets late vs bos and cle to get the wins. the 3 in a row to pau vs bos, the rainbow on lebron. i think the head to head should count.

    Given all this, i think it will come down to who has the best record. the cavs are in control right now.

    this is similar to last year. hornets were in control, but then lost down the stretch. floundered, and the lakers caught up and eventually won, winning kobe MVP and the lakers the western Conference. this one is for the league and MVP. if the cavs flounder 1 game, they lose home court throughout. (lakers own the tie-breaker (also should be taken into consideration for MVP)).

    So in conclusion, i eliminated wade from contention because, bron, jordan, and kobes have been in his spot, and didnt win MVP. As well as Wilt Chamberlin (averaged 50).

    I established a MVP definition that i think is more universal and more along the lines of what the voters go with according to past MVPs and the precedents they have set. Most valuable player to winning a championship.

    I put kobes team vs lebrons into perspective. While the lakers are more talented, the cavs are more suited to win a championship IMO.

    I put kobes stats vs lebron and wades into perspective as a function of playing through the triangle offense. Also, according to phil jackson and many observers, kobe doesnt really have the physical gifts as MJ, LJ, or DWade. not nearly as explosive, small hands, not as strong, and currently not as young as the latter 2.

    *Kobe throughout his career, has never really been more physically gifted than most players at his position. VC, Tmac, Ginobli, Ray Allen, Rip Hamilton, Jason Richardson, …etc.

    I said what i think will determine MVP this year, likened it to last year, and said what will probably ultimately decide.

    So, assuming the lakers win the best record overall, i believe kobe should win the MVP.

    Wade is having a fantastic amazing terrific season. kobe/bron are doing the same thing. these guys are in a league of their own. closely followed by TD KG CP3 D12 PP34 Dwilliams Dirk (underrated) to round out the top 10.

    thanks.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Cheryl

    1.LeBron
    2.DWade
    3.Kobe
    4.Dwight
    5.CP3

  • Matt

    Why does everyone say LeBron has less talent around him when he plays with 4 other All-Stars? Ilg, Mo, Ben & Wally have all been All-Stars. Kobe only has Pau & Wade only has J. O’Neil.

    Matt

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    Spaceship, I’m 6-7

  • Cyrus

    The MVP is between Kobe and Lebron. Although Wade, in my mind, is the true definition of an MVP (the most valuable player on his specific team), he will not win the MVP because he has not won enough. If he does win, then the NBA has to go back to 2005-06 NBA season and give Kobe the MVP instead of Nash because Kobe did the same things that Wade is doing now. As a Lakers fan, I totally support Kobe, but the Lakers in my mind are a team that could win about 40 games if you replace Kobe with an average SG, like Jamal Crawford. If you replace Lebron with an average SF, like Corey Maggette, that team will NOT win more than 30 games. PLEASE PLEASE let it be Lebron so the Lakers can come into the Finals under the radar with the Cavs getting all the hype, so that the Lakers take out the Cavs and Kobe wins the Finals MVP!!!!

  • CWM51

    I like to see when people write that Kobe sucks!! It just shows how ignorant and idiotic they are. If you are not a fan of Kobe’s, than put you dont care for him, or that you dont like him. To say the raining NBA MVP sucks, just shows that persons level of education. Way to go moron!!!

  • Myung

    showtimeizback at 4:19 PM. Longest comment in SLAMonline history?

  • Matt

    Best stats, playing for the best team, on a team that would be in the cellar without him.

    Lebron James

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Lang certainly knew what to do to up The Links’ comment count…

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    CWM51: Kobe is the second best point guard of all time and before this year, the best player in the NBA for four-five years. I was being sarcastic when I said that. Apology accepted?

  • Matt

    1. LBJ
    2. Kb24
    3. CP3 (Gets no love)
    4. Dwade
    5. Howard

    ROY – Westbrook

  • Rome

    240 posts, and theres Slams ad revenue for the day!!! good job folks keeping Slamonline paid!!!

  • Akimana

    Lebron is clearly over Kobe this year. But I have a question to those that would put Wade over Kobe. Lets assume Wade took his team from 25 wins to 45. But Kobe took his team from 45 wins to 60. Aren’t those 15 wins Kobe is responsible just as good if not better than the 20 wins Wade added? And please do not tell me this Laker team wins 50 games without Kobe. I’m only sad I’m posting so late I’m sure Eboy and others who I’d like answer this are gone.
    Holla!

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    showtimeizback needs a hobby. Or his own blog. I’m not reading all of that sh*t.

  • Akimana

    Oh and even they were to win 50, this Laker team is on pace for 65, so it still makes sense. Oh and in case yuo’re wondering, I’d say the Cavs barely win 40 without him and they’re on pace for 65+ so clearly Lebron gets it over Kobe.

  • Diesel

    The MVP award is for the Most Valuable Player. I think too many people have been getting confused lately and thinking that the MVP means the best player on the best team in the NBA. Now I understand you can’t give the MVp award to a player on a lousy team, but the HEAt are far from lousy. Take Lebron away form the Cavs and they’re still a good team. Same for Kobe and the Lakers. Take DWade away from the Heat and you don’t have a double digit win team in the East. There is no doubt that he IS that team and that he is the most valuable player in the NBA.

  • http://sfdjilf.com Jukai

    The only argument I have with showtimeizback is that Lebron on the Lakers would be worse. In the triangle? Yes, Lebron would be worse. But take away the triangle and instill a more free throwing offense, and the Lakers would THRIVE under Lebron. The Lakers are full of three point shooters and guys that Lebron can dump it to in the post. How is that NOT perfect for Lebron?
    I do agree that Kobe would fit fantastically in the Cavs offense (although it would fill a huge void in small forward position and stack the team with guards. I only mention this because you mentioned the vacant two spot on the Lakers).
    Also, I lied when I said I only had one criticism. Jordan’s stats in the triangle were more impressive than Kobe’s. That’s all.

  • Phil B

    someone just called me a joke and then said “silly dilly?”? hmm…

  • http://vnsny.org Spaceship Jay

    @ Z.. lol, So you DID whine at pick-up games! I’m not taking anything from LeBron, he’s had/having a great season… have you NOT seen him get eaten up by the likes of a Caron Butler/ Danny Granger/(fill in good small forward here?) Of course you have. I’ve never seen LeBron do anything that didn’t require other worldy size-strength-speed, and not a more than good Basketball I.Q. I’m not saying he should be penalized for his athletic ability. But he does lie heavily upon it.

  • Sebastian B. O. Bunionstow, esq.

    Can’t believe you all would bypass Paul Pierce. He delivered the championship last season and has been responsible during crutch time all this season. He is impossible to guard.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Jukai, you read all of that??

  • Rohrs

    Anyone who says LeBron only plays with brute force is:

    a) an idiot

    b) only watches highlights not his game

    c) should realize they’re an idiot & stop wasting our time

  • showtimeizback

    Sorry my post was so long. it was a copy and paste from a long standing MVp argument wit my friends.

    @diesel, quantify the number of games Wades team would lose without him. About the same as Lebron and kobe. lakers heat and cavs lose 20-25 less games without their stars. however lakers and cavs r still in playoffs.

  • J.D. Hastings

    Lebron’s supporting cast is almost universally undervalued. Their bench is comprised largely of guys who have started much of their career. Lebron is literally surrounded by excellent shooters who help create space and assists for him. Look at the numbers for West, Williams, Szerbiak, Gibson and even Ilgauskas, Pavlovic and Smith.

    Mo Williams’s contribution is still being undervalued even after a handful of 40+ point games and his long delayed all-star bid.

    Combine that with the front court of Ilgauskas, Verajao and Smith/Ben Wallace and you have a very good front court on both ends. The shooting of Ilgauskas and Smith especially helps move other teams’ big men out of the lane to free up Lebron for his amazing drives.

    And defensively, you can’t understate how much the entire team’s defense allows Lebron’s heroics to result in wins. The Lakers, while very deep are not the same pure defensive force (as their coaching staff will tell you).

    I don’t have a problem with any of your candidates winning MVP, but the meme that Lebron is alone with a cast of misfits is a holdover from years past. The Cavs are one of the deepest teams in the league.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    I’d like to welcome all the Truehoop readers. Please make yourselves at home.

  • showtimeizback

    Jukai, would you say it was worth reading?

    i tried to make it as non bias and well thought out as possible although i am pro kobe.

  • showtimeizback

    100% agree with JD hastings, largely a part of what i said in my very long post.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Showtime, if you could give a summary, that would be great. But I think I got the gist of it from Jukai’s comment.

  • truthteller

    Eboy,
    I’m very impressed that you didn’t go off in the KObe hater mode like you usually do! I’m really impressed! And Izzo, no homo, after readinig your comments I just fell in love with you!

  • JohnK

    Lebron
    Wade
    Paul
    Dwight
    Kobe

  • http://antwonomous.blogspot.com Antwonomous

    1. Kobe has lost some of his leaping ability, but the main reason he doesn’t drive as much is because he’s trying to save his body now.

    2. Kobe and Wade for first-team all-league. I don’t think there’s anyone on here that has Paul ahead of Kobe for MVP, but yet I see some that think Paul should be ahead of Kobe for All-NBA. WTF?

    3. LeBron is the MVP.

  • Jacob

    LeBron
    D-Wade
    Kobe
    CP3
    Tony Parker

  • Jackie Moon

    1 Magic Johnson, 2 Michael Jordan, 3 Karl Malone, 4 Patrick Ewing, 5 Hakeem Olajuwon … Even though Mike scored 32.5 ppg, you can’t give it to him, because his team didn’t even win 50 games, so I think you should vote for Magic because the Lakers won 57 games while shooting over 50% from the field over 90% from the stripe! and had 12.8 assists per game.

  • RuPaul

    I’ll name Chris Bosh.

  • showtimeizback

    Essentially, i said what Akimana said about record, and what JD hastings said about the cavs team.

    I also said kobe stats are limited by his offense, as he gets CLOSE to what jordan got in the same offense during the championship seasons.

    and that pau Gasol is > Mo Williams only by virtue of being a big vs a guard.

    Guards are more explosive, bigs are more consistent.

  • truthteller

    Rohrs,
    Who’s game is more beautiful to watch? Who’s more finesse? Kobe or LeBron.Wade or LeBron? Chris Paul or LeBron? Steve nash or LeBron? Think about that one for a minute. Or better yet watch them play.

  • Jake

    Top Five MVP:
    1) LeBron (both the best and the player whose absence cripples his team the most).
    2) Kobe (gonna crack 60 wins, gotta be in the conversation)
    3) Wade
    4) CP3
    5) D-Ho
    x) Paul Pierce (mmm…nope)

  • showtimeizback

    i also said essentially it is like the MVP race of last year. Where CP3s stats were a littel better than kobes, but kobe won the head to head matchups and the western conference, earning him MVP.

    Who ever wins number 1 overall, should get MVP.

  • truthteller

    Sebastien,
    I’ll take Ray Allen over Paul Pierce this season or any season for that matter! Thank you very much!

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    That long comment was ridiculous, and that’s coming from somebody who writes long comments.
    You can’t post something that long on a comment section. That should be an automatic banning.
    And I’m joining the growing legion of folks who are tired of arguing about Kobe versus Lebron when the debate is always the same.
    Let’s argue about Nash’s MVPs instead….

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    After all, Nash has move MVP’s than KObe, Lebron and DWade COMBINED. Clearly he’s the greatest of all-time.
    Hi Jukai.

  • Chris

    top five for MVP:

    1. Dwyane Wade
    2. Lebron James
    3. Chris Paul
    4. Kobe Bryant
    5. Chauncey Billups

    Wade has the least help around him so other teams defenses are able to key on him more than on LBJ and Kobe and yet he’s still doing ridiculous things. Like you mentioned, without him Miami is WAY below .500. New Orleans would be a lottery bound team without CP3. Chauncey has done a lot more for Denver than stats indicate, he’s changed the culture of the team. Lebron and Kobe are on the list because what they do is just ridiculous sometimes.

  • AYC

    Who was the best player on the Olympic team that had all the major MVP candidates? Wade, who led the team in scoring (and dominated on defense!)despite being 5th in minutes, and coming off the bench.

    Remember, nobody picked MIA to make the playoffs, despite the consensus that Beasley would be ROY. Well, the Heat are going to make the playoffs, and Beasley has been a disappointment; the diff between this year’s playoff squad and last year’s 15 win stinker isn’t the rooks, or the addition of JO (who kinda stinks now). MIA didn’t pickup an All-star like Mo Will in CLE; the diff is a healthy D-Wade, playing better than ever; better than the guy who carried a buncha has-beens to th title in 06

    1. Wade
    2. LBJ
    3. the sexual predator
    4. Paul
    5. Howard

  • Kazu

    1) Lebron. ESPN’s John Hollinger has done a good job showing what a historic season he’s having. Playing in the East shouldn’t impact the vote, since 58 of the 82 games are shared among all teams regardless of conference, leaving only 24 games more in the east. Plus, while the West’s top 9 is better than the East’s top 9, the West’s bottom 6 is worse than the east’s. Yes, Kobe has more games against San Antonio, New Orleans, Utah, Houston, etc. But they also have more games against SAC, MEM, Clippers, etc.

    2) Wade. Better PER than Kobe, plays both sides of the court, shortest player every to have 100 blocks, insane clutch play. Have you seen his supporting cast? 2 rookies, a washed up O’Neal, Jamaal Magloire, Cook, etc. are all guys getting big minutes. The wouldn’t win a dozen games without him.

    3) Kobe – Hate him but respect his game.
    4) D Howard – DPOY. 8 20-20 games. Beast. Without him, his team doesn’t defend the same nor get the same looks from 3, their two most important elements.
    5) Chris Paul – Best PG of this generation.

  • Kazu

    I also respectfully disagree with JD Hastings. West I like (being a celtics fan, I’ll always root for him), but he’s ideal as a 6th man. Wally and Ben Wallace are washed up. Z is nice but is getting old, and ideally you want a big man that can run with Lebron. Boobie is undersized and VERY limited. Pavlovic to me seems like a guy who plays well in a very particular system, but on another team he’s a bench warmer. None of them are terrible players, but LeBron makes that team, period. Cleveland has not one legit all star on that squat outside of Lebron and they have the league’s best record. And no, Mo Williams is not a legit All Star, he put up the same numbers for a losing team last year.

  • Olev

    To me, Wade isnt a candidate, because the award hasnt been given to players not on elite teams (see Kobe in 06). Its Kobe or LeBron. I think homecourt is the key. LeBron has superior stats, but again, he is part of an everything runs through me system. Kobe is a master of the game. There is simply nothing on the basketball court he cannot do. They are equally valuable to their teams in my opinion, leadership, and tangibles. However, homecourt is HUGE in the playoffs. Lakers couldnt win in boston last year. Cleveland is nearly unbeatable at home. The MVP is the player who puts his team in the best position to win a championship. In a game, you can make the argument for either Kobe or LeBron. But over a season, homecourt is what matters. Whoever gains homecourt has put his team in the best position to win, and it could be the difference in a championship series between the cavs and lakers. If the teams are tied, Kobe took care of LeBron this season, and gets homecourt, and thus the MVP. homecourt=best position for a championship=MVP.

  • Jackie Moon

    Throw Dirk’s MVP in that discussion, too.

  • Kozmic

    D-Wade
    Bron
    Kobe
    Tony Parker
    Dwight

    ROY: DRose in a heart beat. O.J. has been iffy for a while now!

  • http://phoenixsunsrising.blogspot.com Hersey

    LeBron, Kobe, Wade, Duncan, Howard

  • Michael

    If you don’t know who the MVP is by now, this job isn’t for you. That’s like not knowing addition and subtraction while in high school.

    1. LeBron James
    gap gap gap
    gap gap gap
    2. Wade
    3. D. Howard
    4. Kobe
    5. Pau Gasol

  • supa

    1. LeBron
    2. Kobe
    3. Dwight
    4. Wade
    5. Pierce

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s35kBpvxfsc&feature=related James the balla

    @ showtime … WOW

  • Sam

    LEBRON JAMES IS THE ONLY OPTION.
    ***HIS TEAM HAS THE BEST RECORD AND HE IS BY FAR AND AWAY THE BEST PLAYER ON THAT TEAM***

    END OF STORY.

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    I cannot believe people are still using style of play to make their argument for MVP. Its sickening really for people to think that Just because Kobe Bryant has a better skill set he is automatically a more valuable player. I have more basketball skills (skills should not be confused with talent & ability) then Shaquille O’neal, I can hit FT’s and shoot 3′s but I am not dumb enough to think I would have been as valuable to any team shaq was on. If you think Kobe should get the MVP because of the way LeBron plays compared to Kobe then your essentially saying Shaq does not deserve the MVP he got because there were more finesse/and skilled players making a similar impact on their team.

  • John

    It all depends on who gets the best record. For at least the past decade or so, the criteria has been “The best PLAYER on the best TEAM.”

    So if the Cavs grab the top seed, give it to Bron. If Lakers take it, its a repeat for Kobe.

    Its why Dirk got his a few years back. Its why Nash has two. Not to dis either of them but c’mon, theyre not THAT good. Its more based on the teams performance and their contributing to it.

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    IMO Roy should either go to Derrick Rose, or Brook Lopez/– Rose for obvious reasons, and Lopez because he is the man in the middle for a playoff competitive team. He is going out every night against the best bigs in the league and is relatively getting it done. The last big man to play like this

  • Tim Dennis

    Lebron should get it! he has lifted his game up overall compared to Kobe..
    But i think Lebron should get Defensive player of the year not being greedy or anything but he is a beast on both ends of the floor

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    Pau Gasol, his numbers his rookie year were a little better but Lopez is playing 6 minutes a game less then Gason did and is getting 1 less rebound and 5 less points. But Gasol was ROY and his team was terrible, Lopez putting up similar production while being a better defender on a team that stands a shot at teh playoffs, I would vote the big man

  • Beaker

    Wait wait wait, you guys have TV’s in your elevators?

  • http://basketball-reference.com nbk

    whats an elevator

  • .

    lebrons supporting cast is fine, they have mo williams. Z has been on the all defense team etc. people see to over look that

    kobe has good players on his team, their bench produces nothing though.. and its always kobe getting themselves out of the hole

    and dwyane wade, well hes barely over 50%

    but you really cant go wrong with any of these guys. throw their names in a hat and pick one out, you do that and you still cant go wrong

  • mike page

    Give it to Paul. He deserved it last year, and he will probably never win a title unless he escapes New Orleans. He’s playing point guard as well as anyone…ever. Bron is the best player and has the best team but the Hornets wouldn’t win 15 games without Paul.

    Doesn’t really matter how you vote, LeBron James his a lock for MVP.

    My top Five 1. Paul 2. Bron 3. Wade 4. Howard. 5. Duncan

  • Rue Morgue Avenue

    Just want to start by saying I’m a lifelong Laker fan, but also a fan of the NBA in general. Obviously, I’m gonna try to convince you to vote for Kobe as MVP. For me the biggest argument in his favor is that the Lakers play in the tougher Western Conference, where they have to play teams like the Spurs, Rockets, Jazz, Blazers, Hornets, etc. on a regular basis multiple times a year. Over in the Eastern Conference, LeBron and his Cavs get to beat up on the likes of the Knicks, Pistons, Pacers, Bucks, Bulls, Nets, etc. on a nightly basis. I know that there are some awful teams in the West like the Kings and the Clippers, but the difference is that there are still the other eight good teams fighting for playoff spots, while the teams I mentioned from the East are all sub .500 teams that are fighting for the last 2 playoff spots in the East.

    LeBron does have a weaker supporting cast in general, but the Lakers bench is a bit overrated as of recently. While they’re going through their slumps, while Lamar Odom is going through his moments, while Andrew Bynum is injured, Kobe (and Gasol, but more on him in a sec) is the guy that’s got them winning games. Also, Kobe makes the guys around him significantly better too. I’m not too familiar with Gasol’s career with the Grizzlies, but he’s putting up all-NBA caliber numbers this year. Playing with Kobe has made guys like Ariza, Farmar, Walton, Vujacic, and Powell improve significantly…both because playing with him leaves them with great looking shots and because his work ethic rubs off on them.

    LeBron has been playing great as well…he’s a freak of nature and it pains me to stay that at some point he’ll probably overtake Kobe as the best in the game today, but I don’t think he’s there yet. Also, don’t forget the Lakers are the only team to beat the Cavaliers at home, at the end of a long road trip, about a week after Bynum went down, two or three days after an emotionally draining battle with the Celtics in Boston. I think that ought to count for something.

  • http://nba.com tealish

    MVP: 1a) Bron 1b) Wade 3)Kobe 4)Paul 5)Park
    ROY: Rose. I like him too, but I don’t know why everyone thinks it’s a runaway. Mayo is right there too if he can finish strong.

  • http://nba.com tealish

    by Park, I meant to say Tony Parker but it felt odd including him so I stopped midway.

  • http://slamonline.com tina

    love the lakers & kobe but this years mvp belongs to lebron. hopefully kobe will pick up his play during playoffs & win a championship mvp instead.

  • Rob Wells Jr.

    Dwade all the way. He’s a tank and the best player on Earth.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    What a comment by showtime. I put that in MS Word and his comment was 1498 words long. That’s a 6-page, double spaced essay!

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Lebron. Team and individual success. Everything that Kobe did last year, and more. Has also risen to point of greatness/relevance where he has somehow become very polarizing…

  • Jone

    LBJ for MVP!

  • Sir Chuck

    As a huge Wade supporter it pains me to do this but i have to do it…
    1.LBJ
    2.Wade
    3.Kobe
    4.Dwight
    5.CP3

  • newton auguste

    Wade
    LBj
    Kobe
    Dwight howard
    Cp3
    D.will

  • Tommy Vercetti

    LeBron
    Wade
    Kobe
    Dwight
    Duncan

  • RonBo

    Lebron James = MVP 2009 – Evidence Below:
    (POINTS)
    Doesn’t focus on scoring until his team mates get the lead. Most games he doesn’t break 10 points in the first half. Still second on Points per game with 28.5 behind Wade who has 29.8 and is always shooting because his team is terrible.

    (ASSISTS)
    Like I established above, LeBron’s main focus is making his team better before he takes the shots he needs to. Rankings in Assists =
    Wade = 8th / 535
    LeBron = 10th / 524
    Kobe = 32nd / 350 – NOT EVEN CLOSE – (BALL HOG)

    (Rebounds)
    541 = Lebron James CLEAR 1st over Wade and Kobe who cant even break 360.

    OVERALL – Lebron and Wade are the only 2 even considered MVP.. People who through Kobe in with them are just stupid. He is a good player but is not doing as well as LeBron or Wade this season. I have huge respect for what wade is doing with the Heat considering he is not even close to Lebrons 6’8 275 pound all muscle body. Wade fights hard for those points that he scores in the paint and I am not taking anything away from him but, LeBron and the Cavs are #1 right now and I have never heard of an MVP on a team below 6th place.

    And all of those Kobe Fans who do not look into statistics before they open their mouths.. How many rings does Kobe have without Shaq? Little Trivia for ya.

  • C-Mac

    LeBron
    Wade
    Kobe
    CP3
    Dwight
    ROY has to be Rose, he’s the only rookie in the running for the award with his team in playoff contention.
    and another thing, you know whats gonna kill me? when the rockets make it outta the first round without T-Mac

  • AI

    in order:

    King James, Kobe, CP3, DWade, TP9,

  • Edmond

    RonBo you cant judge Kobe like that. The lakers are a different team now, they ALL move the ball around. Lebron and Dwade has more assists because almost everytime they have the ball. Kobe doesn’t.

  • italian fan

    LeBron
    Wade
    Kobe
    Howard
    Paul

    Honorable mention: Tony Parker

    there you go

  • Edmond

    1. KB24
    2. Band-Aid
    3. King
    4. Superman
    5. CP3

  • http://www.yahoo.com Royal

    Ronbo,
    How many rings does D-wade have without shaq????Does LeBron even have a damn ring??

  • anonymous

    1. LeBron
    2. Wade
    3. Kobe
    4. Howard
    5. Paul

    Honorable mention: Tony Parker

    there you go.

  • http://fjdksl.com Jukai

    Allenp: We all know you have a man crush on Nash. Just kiss the dude already!

  • Jeremy Wethington

    LeBron
    Wade
    Kobe
    Howard
    Paul

  • Tizzi


    1. Lebron
    2. Dwight
    3. CP3
    4. Wade
    5. Duncan

    Kobe (not so much)

    The problem with the MVP voting for Kobe is that he’s not even the most *valuable* player on the Lakers!
    Sounds crazy right? Hear me out… he’s the most *talented*, that’s for sure! That I can’t argue! But most valuable? That honor actually goes to Pau Gasol. The MVP award is the most misinterpreted award in sports… It’s not the best player! It’s never the best player! “It’s the player that most consistently contributes to a team’s success!”

    Gasol is one of the most underrated superstars in the NBA… and that’s saying a lot for all the attention that he does get already. He’s not as flashy, or as much of a stat stuffer, or as big of a household name as the likes of Kobe, but he is the anchor behind the Lakers well rounded play and consistency ever since he joined the Lakers. When you watch him play a game from start to finish, he makes all the right plays and anchors his team offensively and defensively better than his ‘bigger name’ teammate. Pau Gasol is the Tim Duncan of the Lakers. Still questioning my validity? Ofcourse you are, Kobe Bryant is KOBE BRYANT! And I’m saying Pau is more valuable? Ahem, yes I am. Do me a favor…

    Scout out and watch any Laker’s game without any prior prejudices or biases you may have… and watch the whole 48 mins in an analytical perspective as if you’re watching the players play for the first time EVER (as if you’ve never seen or heard of Kobe and Pau). And watch for THREE THINGS…
    1. Who really anchors the defense?
    (Kobe is the perimeter hustler, but Pau is the backbone of their defense. Just watch and you shall see the light!)
    2. Watch how efficient the offense is when it’s ran thru Pau’s hands more, as opposed to Kobe’s.
    (In the games where Pau gets more touches, and the offense is run thru his hands more than Kobe’s, the Lakers have been *undefeated* this season. Yep, you heard me! [Games in which both players have played, but Pau getting more touches/possession than Kobe throughout the game, the Lakers are 29-0] Coincidence? I think not.)
    3. Which player plays their role on the team the best?
    I don’t mean the role of scorer, or defender, etc… I mean their role in help D, in moving without the ball, in being where you’re most efficient, in being at the right place at the right time, etc! Pau Gasol is like an atomic clock for basketball IQ, just like Tim Duncan. But why does he not get as much recognition as TD? Hmmmm, he just happens to be next to a guy who’s arguably one of the most talented players of his generation (note I didn’t say most *valuable*), in Kobe Bryant.
    And it’s no surprise that Pau has practically the same stats as TD, but given the fact that he gets less touches on his Lakers than TD does with his Spurs, it’s astonishing he doesn’t get as much cred. Well, what about the years before he joined the Lakers? Well, even than he was a super stud in consistency, but he also had the worst cast of teammates imaginable in his old Memphis stomping grounds (worse than Dwade does today? Yes, worse!). It definitely didn’t help bolster his reputation, rather… it hid him from the world.

    But as valuable as even Gasol is and as great as Kobe is… considering their other supporting cast and having each other, it unfortunately nullifies their bid to winning the MVP this season! Why is that? Because you take Kobe off the Lakers and the Lakers would still win close to 50 games this season. And if you take Gasol off the team, the end result would also be relatively the same. Now can you say the same with the aforementioned Five I listed above in the forefront of the MVP race? “Heeeellllll Noo!” as ol’ Coach Red would say. Those 5 teams would each be at least 20 wins poorer without their respective stars leading the charge.

  • Jason

    Brandon Roy!! Seriously, do you understand how much this guy means to his team? He is am unheralded Superstar and has carried his young team all year. He is both THE leader for the Blazers on and off the court.

  • Robin

    About the Cavs playing in a weaker conference: not true. As you can see here, the Cavs have played a slightly tougher schedule than the Lakers to this point (.499 to .496). I don’t have the numbers on interconference wins/losses, but I have heard that the East has won more games against the West, and if that’s not true its at least close.

    As for my top 5:

    LeBron James
    Dwyane Wade
    Chris Paul
    Dwight Howard
    Kobe Bryant

    Out of this whole group, Kobe has the lowest PER and the best teammate by far. Dwight Howard comes after Kobe in both of those criteria. Chris Paul and Wade have both been fantastic, and I don’t feel strongly about putting Wade higher. But LeBron is first by a sizable margin. He is posting some of the best stats of all time, the best record in the league at this point (and at least close to it by the end of the season), and he’s one of the best defensive players in the league this year (the best on this list, save for Dwight).

  • Adam

    I have no vote – I don’t follow non-Blazers closely enough and I am to biased. I can weigh in, though, on what the MVP should be:

    To me MVP should be the player who does the most to make his team successful. This is not the highest scorer, or the flashiest player. It is the player who, if removed, would leave behind a team that is most significantly weaker. I don’t care if the MVP goes to a player whose team wins only a dozen games – as long as you honestly feel that without him, the team would have won none. It doesn’t matter if he scores the points himself, or feeds assists, or provides defensive intimidation – he just has to be the difference between a record of X and X-y, where y is the biggest value you can find in the league.

    Is that Wade? Gasol (Little One)? Bryant? Parker? Roy? I don’t know, because I don’t follow closely enough. But (for this fan) I don’t care if the MVP scores 0 points – as long as he is indispensable.)

  • Corey

    It’s a very difficult decision that really should come down to Wade v. Lebron. Quite frankly it’s a matter of what’s a bigger accomplishment, taking a good team to great or taking a terrible team to good. Lebron is having a season for the ages and has his team in position to have the best record in the league, but I just can’t see anyone being as valuable to their team as D-Wade has been this year. Not only does he surpass Lebron in all major statistical categories except for rebounds (including steals and blocks) but this is a team with a rookie coach, 2 rookies playing major minutes, and a huge mid-season trade. At one point they were starting Joel Anthony, Yakhouba Diawara, and Chris Quinn and yet they are battling to get home court in the first round of the playoffs. Meanwhile Lebron has 4 other former all-stars and many others who have major playoff and finals experience all of which excel in something whether it be shooting (Wally, Boobie, Pavlovic) defense (Wallace, West) or rebounding (Wallace, Z, Joe Smith). Not that he should be penalized for having a better team, but what Wade has done with his supporting cast is much more impressive then what Lebron has done with his. Lebron has undoubtedly elevated his game to an extremely high level, but D-Wade has been the best player in the league this year and the notion that you have to win 50 games in order to be considered valuable is just stupid.

    1. D-Wade
    2. Lebron
    3. Kobe
    4. CP3
    5. Lots of deserving people: Dwight, Duncan, Chauncey, B Roy, Pierce, and Parker all deserve votes

  • L33tSauce

    I’m going to have to disagree that Wade is doing “the same thing” as Kobe 3-4 years ago… Kobe may have averaged 35 points in 05-06, but shooting 45% from the field(respectable). After that what did he do? At 6’6″ he got his 5 boards, 4.5 assists, and a steal and a half a game. He scored for his team, but he was never a vocal leader, and never was the man to get the rest of his teamates better. Wade scores 30 a game shooting 49% along with 7.5 dimes a game and 5 boards(at 6’4″). He’s number 2 in the NBA in steals and top 20 in blocks, at 6’4″!!! Wade is the leader of that team. Wade makes players better. The Heat have two rookies each playing major roles. They went most of the season without a center. Our key guys off the bench? Jamal Magloire? Chris Quinn? Diawara? If you take Wade off of that team, Chalmers would not be playing nearly as well, Cook would never get a good look at a 3, and Dorell Wright would be getting major minutes. Sure, their 38-34, but who ever truely expected this? Very few people. They still have a shot at a 45-37 record. Thats a 30 game improvement on a team with very little talent. Yeah, Lebron’s team has the best record, Kobe’s is best in the west. But can you honestly say a team with Pau Gasol, Lamar Odem, Derrick Fisher, and Andrew Bynum with a very solid bench still wouldn’t be in the playoffs? The cavs without Lebron? In the east the’d still be looking at a top 5 seed since their divison is so horrible. But the Heat without Wade? I don’t see them matching their win total of 15 last year without him. The MVP was screwed up the past two years, don’t make this year three.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    OMG: Showtime’s comment (yeah, more like essay) was looooong.

  • http://www.myspace.com/linkstigatorkevin Kevin Wilson

    I don’t need five. It’s LeBron.

  • Blinguo

    Does thinking man Lang-Lang want to be known when its all said and done as someone who voted for LeBron or Kobe, of which many will vote for in a sheepish manner without all the thought – sorry – thinking that Lang will put into it even if its only one vote in a several hundred(?) vote tally award, or for DWade, I mean Jesse Dunn -in AI’s “wig” to make SLAM again be the hated on outcast/darkhorse among the SI’s of the world. Hakeem Spaldings baby! Granted all 3 of these frontrunners could put in the work next year to get a one-year too late MVP carryover ala “the Denzel” oscar of which Kobe got(although his had lifetime achieve status even though he wasn’t always MVP caliper and even when, Shaq-shadowed). Of which is too bad CP3 didn’t get the chance this year due to his team and comparisons to the BIG 3 this time around. LeBron with that Big-O season again of the 2000-500-500 stats, Wade with the David Thompson over 100 blocks, changing the game(like Sheed’s minimum 100 blocks/100 3′s seasons) with being such a complete player, guard or not?

  • Blinguo

    I made a semi-long comment. Kept adding to it, and it was lost in internet voodoo? Or is on a tape delay, or even approval first-moderation status, hopefully. Fun stuff in there. Hakeem Spaldings. AI’s “wig” quoth the SI goof troop, SLAM being the unjust outcast/darkhorse of the industry. Reiterating what we all know. And saying do you want to be known for just voting for LeBron or Kobe, or for one of the few who said Wade when its all said and done. And Carryover MVP, “the Denzel” that CP3 sadly didn’t get a chance to get. Big-O record season for LeBron again, Dwade David Thompson 100 block record season. And I just made another semi-long comment. Hope at least this one goes through after sumbit is hit then. Won’t be writing this up again a third time and adding to the 320 comment topic.

  • Blinguo

    Hey it worked, but #1 is gone. Jesse Dunn is the only logical choice. Although putting that in Comment #1 made it disappear apparently, It was after LeBron-Bean-Wade though, honest! (wearing AI’s “wig” tho so SI intervened with their resources we’ll never know up in here)

  • RonBo

    Top 5 Players that have ever gone a year with:
    ( 2000 points ) ( 500 rebounds ) ( 500 assists )
    1. Oscar Robertson – 5 times
    2. LEBRON JAMES – 4 TIMES
    3. Larry Bird – 3 Times
    4. Michael Jordan – 2 Times
    5. John Havlicek – 2 Times

    MATH -
    Lebron James = 24 Years old = 4 Times
    Kobe = 30 Years old = 0 Times

    ( How many more times do you think Lebron will accomplish this achievement considering he still has MANY more years to play compared to Kobe. )

    Kobe and Wade will never see this happen in their careers. LeBron James will out stat Kobe in every aspect of the game before he finishes his career. People feel that Kobe is better because he has a huge fan base but the truth is.. Kobe is getting old and LeBron is already compared to him with several years left to play. LBJ is the best player in the NBA at the moment and he will without a doubt win the MVP. The only reason Wade will not get it is because there has NEVER BEEN an MVP with a team below 6th place and it will stay that way. Sorry Wade.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq al Haydar

    I desperately want the Lakers to win the title, but I realize that LeBron is the clear-cut MVP. I think the real dilemma comes when you try to figure out who’s second on your ballot: Kobe or Wade?
    So,
    1- LeBron
    2- Kobe (I’m biased)
    3- Wade
    4- Dwight Howard
    5- Chris Paul

    P.S.
    Tony Parker has been playing VERY well, but I don’t buy all this sudden “TP is an MVP candidate” talk. He’s probably seventh after Brandon Roy.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ Tariq al Haydar

    And I also happen to be a great thinker. What are the odds…

  • ebnerblazer

    1. LeBron
    2. Kobe
    3. Wade
    4. Howard
    5. tie Roy-Paul

    Parker is good but he still has Timmy on his own team who is as good if not better.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    lmao@ Tariq.
    Bron, Wade, Paul, Kobe, Dwight.
    Showtime= longest ever comment in the history of forever on slamonline. That is all.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Imagine how pi*sed Showtime would’ve been if wordpress had eaten his comment up and deleted it! LMFAO!

  • dee

    wade for me is the mvp..he’s doing all the works in his team. and they still manage to win even he’s surrounded by a young and less-talented players.

  • maadtech

    KOBE, IF AND ONLY IF THEYRE EITHER EVEN OR 1-2 GAMES BELOW THE CAVS. WHY BECAUSE OF THEIR ROAD WINS TO PLAY 6 AND 7 IN A ROW THE FIRST SIX ENDED WITH WINS IN CLEV AND BOST THIS NEXT SEVEN YAH THEIR BAD TEAMS IN THE EAST BUT THESE TEAMS ARE FIGHTING FOR PLAYOFF SPOTS. LEBRON HAS BECOME A LOT BETTER ON THE DEFENSIVE END BUT THIS CAN BE ATTRIBUTED TO PLAYING WITH KOBE ON TEAM USA SO FOR THAT REASON ALONE KOBE SHOULD BE MVP, PLAYING WITH KOBE HAS IN FACT MADE LEBRON A BETTER ALL AROUND PLAYER.

  • MacGyver

    RonBo you might be the only smart person in this thread..how can you give the mvp to someone else than lebron..best record in the nba,best overrall stats in the nba,most efficient player of these three..so how can it be even a debate??

  • http://magallsindustriesglobal.com Charles Charles MaGalls

    All this fighting and arguing back and forth. Like children. Let us settle it like men. For we can all agree on one thing … that Mister Dwyane Wade is no match for Charles Charles MaGalls.

    Like the scorpions and the centipede we put Dwyane Wade on court with me, Charles Charles MaGalls and may the best MVP win.

    To ten by one. Gotta win by two.

  • http://hoops4life.com overtime

    Perhaps hes the MVP and perhaps hes not, but for Kobe, I don’t think the arguement that he has a better coach/team should be used as a negative against him…its not exactly his fault is it? Are you saying that is Wade has the exact same season but for the Lakers that he shouldnt have some bid for the award? Its an individual award, why should a guy lose out on it because of the team he plays on?

  • Rohrs

    Hey truthteller,

    You’re an idiot. Stop wasting our time with your ‘finesse’ debate. It has no merit and means nothing when the game is on the line.

  • Josh

    1. LBJ
    Reason: He is dominating the league in almost every aspect, both offensively and defensively & has his team atop the league.

    2. Kobe
    Reason: Even with Coach Jackson’s scary offense, the Lakers would be not even close to where they are if not for number 24. Stats may not line up to King James’, but Kobe is producing mean stats with much fewer TO’s and a higher FT% (.769 vs .866)

    3. Chris Paul
    Reason: Basically, you cannot stop this PG machine. He can do everything from dropping bucket after bucket to picking pockets all day long. He is above Wade in this race because New Orleans has basically secured a spot in the playoffs in the very competitive West, the whole time having suffered injuries to their big front court (Chandler and West). Wade is playing in a much easier conference and a supporting cast and is still only 4 over .500

    4. Wade
    Reason: Yes his stats are off the charts and yes he is giving the NBA’s worst team last year a chance to make the playoffs but still, I just don’t see an MVP title going to a non-elite team.

    5. Howard
    Reason: Orlando is clicking on all cylinders thanks to their young talented superhuman. Dwight is just a total man-beast and he is showing it by leading the league in double doubles, rebounds and blocks. Oh yeah, he also plays basically every night.

  • http://4point0show.com/ Wes

    LeBron – best player, on the best team (and his team absotively WOULD NOT win without him)

    Flash – best performance and should get all defense first team (100 blocks??) but his team is wackluster.

    Kobe – second best player on the second best team. The Lakers could win games sans Bryant. In fact, the Lakers – iShoot 24/8 = The Rockets.

    Superman – The Magic would have the best record in the league if Jameer Nelson never went down. Dwight has them competing at the top anyway.

    iRobot – The Spurs are 2nd in the West?!

  • L33tSauce

    Thanks for pointing out people make the award into a best player award, RonBo. Wade is outscoring Lebron, geting more assists, blocking more shots(at 3 inches smaller), stealing the ball more, made more game winners, and been the whole reason anyone even brings up the Heat, but yeah Lebron has more rebounds because he’s 6’7 and jacked like a football player, while Wade still pulls down 5 a game at 6’4″. And Wade has a season at 2000 points 500 assists and 500 rebouns. This season moron. Want more? Lebon plays on a team with a legit PG and center, while Wade does not have that luxury. Oh, but your right. Lebron is 10 times better than anyone. He just makes me want to blow my load when I see him dunk the ball. (sarcasm)

  • L33tSauce

    And why does it matter if the team is not the best? Does anyone else here understand most VALUABLE. Valuable- of great use or service. Wade, my friends. Wade.

  • RonBo

    “And Wade has a season at 2000 points 500 assists and 500 rebouns. This season moron.” -Wes

    NBA.COM – Get educated before you come onto the website kiddo.

    Dwayne Wade = 359 Rebounds…

    - Wade is an amazing player especially because of his size but he is not going to be MVP because his team cannot win games (PERIOD)

    - Another Stat for the books = Double Doubles and TRIPLE DOUBLES.

    TRIPLE DOUBLES = at least 10points 10 rebounds 10 assists in one game.

    LeBron James – 7 (1st in NBA)
    Kobe Bryant – 2
    Dwayne Wade – 0

    DOUBLE DOUBLES = 2 of the 3 stats above over 10 in one game. (not as difficult)

    LeBron James – 26
    Kobe Bryant – 8
    Dwayne Wade – 19

    MVP 2009 Rankings
    LeBron James – 1st
    Dwayne Wade – 2nd – Because his team sucks
    ————————————————
    Kobe Bryant – 3rd

  • Vahagn Mkhikian

    Hey. I love what you’re doing here. And I think for MVP it’s either Lebron or Kobe. D-Wade can’t get it when Kobe avg’d 35.4 ppg and didn’t get it in 05-06.

    That being said, the biggest knock on Kobe is the fact that he’s got a better team, otherwise, the records are nearly identical. This is my response to that though

    1) The Lakers aren’t above the Cavs by leaps in bounds in the standings because of their inconsistent Defense. Inconsistent Defense is a team issue and usually results from a coach’s priorites. The Cavs on the other hand are a phenomenal defensive team, and that’s not because of Lebron, it’s because of the entire team and Mike Brown. Before Lebron learned how to play defense, the Cavs were still a great defensive team. So if you take Lebron off of the Cavs they will still win a ton of games because their defense is consistent and they have plenty of guys that could create their own shots (Williams, West, Big Z). If you take Kobe off the Lakers, their offense suffers, and without their offense they don’t have their defense to rely on.

    2) Remember that the Bulls in 92-93 WITH Jordan won 57 games and the championship, the next year without Jordan they won 55 games and surprised everyone. I don’t think that the Cavs or the Lakers would have a huge dropoff without their star players because they’re so consistent on either offense or defense.

    3) Sure Kobe has more talent, but Kobe BUILT this talent. 2 Years ago who was talking about Farmar, Vujacic, Bynum, Ariza, Powell, Fisher (as a backup in Utah), Walton, Mbenga, etc. The only All Star he’s playing with is Pau and if you look at Pau’s numbers, He’s a million times more efficient playing alongside Kobe, his FG% alone jumped up almost 8% in LA as compared to his entire career in Memphis. He’s scoring the same on less shots, if you wanna think about making teamates better, Kobe has done that. He hasn’t given Pau any additional skills, but he’s made him more effective and thus made him better the same way Nash was doing. You can’t penalize Kobe for a team of nobody’s that he helped build. You think every one of those guys didn’t see a whole lot of benefits from playing alongside the most complete player with the hardest work ethic in the league? Exactly.

    In fact, it’s so obvious that Kobe helped to build this team. This is a list of players who have played their BEST basketball alongside Kobe

    Shaq
    Fisher
    Horry
    Fox
    Smush Parker
    Kwame Brown
    Trevor Ariza
    Brian Cook
    Chris Mihm
    Mo Evans
    Chucky Atkins
    Josh Powell
    Rony Turiaf
    DJ Mbenga

    Sure a lot of that is the triangle, and a lot of that is Phil, but a lot of that is also Kobe. Having this many players peaking alongside Kobe isn’t a coincidence
    That’s not even including the five or 6 players who never played on any other teams like Farmar, Vujacic, and Bynum.

    So does Kobe have a better all around team, probably, (although big Z and Mo are both all stars, whereas Kobe only has one all star in Pau), but he built this team and he helped all of those guys become who they are today. That’s not something he should be penalized for, it’s something he should be rewarded for.

  • RonBo

    L33tSauce – Your into stats.. even though your wrong on 500 assists.. Go look at how many MVP’s there are with a team below 5th place.
    Lemme answer your question. 0
    I know you can google the definition of MVP and get some BS but the facts are that in the NBA if your team sucks and your good it doesn’t matter you still wont receive MVP unless your top 3. Lets look at some more stats there TardSauce…
    FG% = TIE 3P% = LeBron James FT% = LeBron James
    Heres the fun part.. LeBron James is a better shooter then Wade.. The only reason Wade has scored 70 more points then LeBron James this season is because !!!!!HE HAS SHOT THE BALL 200 MORE TIMES THEN LEBRON JAMES!!!!!!

    So lets do some more math.. Wade has shot the ball 200 more times then LBJ and is only winning by 70 points.. Which is 35 2point shots made.. So in your opinion… Wade is BETTER then LeBron because he MISSED 135 more shots instead of passing the ball. Somebody correct me if I am wrong but would you rather have your best player on the team shoot 200 more shots or pass the ball to make your TEAM better as a whole.. Another reason why the Cavs are in 1st place and the Heat are not even close. Way to make those 70 more points.. I am sure it helped you in the long run.. 38 wins right LMFAO.

    WADE = CAN NOT AND WILL NOT WIN MVP DROP HIS
    NAME FROM DISCUSSION.
    What did you say to me L33tSauce… was it “want more”?

  • Big B

    I don’t even see how this is up for debate. Take LeBron out of Cleveland and that team will finish bottom in their division. Take Kobe out of LA and they might still compete for the playoffs.

  • Jackie Moon

    I would rather my best player on the team shot 200 more shots.

  • http://www.bbl.org.uk Josh D

    My MVP has to be D-Wade by a small bit becuase in my Mind there are three things people should consider when voting
    1. The Players Performance throughout the season(who’s is on the best form) D-Wade wins this category
    2.Where would his team be without him( we all know where the Heat would be without Flash)D-Wade again
    3. How far up the standings are his team currently LeBron is winning this with Kobe not far behind
    Sorry Kobe and LeBron, D Wade wins 2-1-0, my top 5 looks like this
    Wade
    LeBron
    Kobe
    CP3
    Dwight Howard

  • Robin

    Wade is absolutely amazing and my #2 choice, but… you can’t really blame his lack of rebounds on size or position, because Chris Paul is pulling down more than Wade as a 6’0” PG. Wade is not a bad rebounder by any means, but he could be better.

    LeBron surpasses Wade statistically not only because of the rebounds, but because he scores more efficiently, is a more productive passer (adjusting for minutes and pace), and turns the ball over less. Wade’s advantages over LeBron are solely in blocks and steals (and that he takes more shots), which is still really impressive.

  • L33tSauce

    If your going to comensate minutes and pace, then you need to factor in that wade is handling the ball more every game than Lebron. I respect your views but you can’t use an argument for one thing and ignore it for the other. Wade turns the ball over less than half a times more, but is the ball handler considerably more often(He is our PG half the time). And as far as efficiency? Yeah, Wade shoots a poor 30% from 3 land but 49% overall and 76% from the stripe. Lebron shoots the same from the field, and 34% from three, and 77% FT% there really is little difference and yet again, your factoring in Lebron has his legit Point guard to dish too alon with an established center. (Since Wade’s had J.O. he’s shot over 50% from the field and 35% from the arc.) Sorry i just became a stat douche there, but I’m trying but put it into perspective.

  • JB

    1)Lebron
    2/3)Wade or Paul=Both have been ridiculous
    4)Dwight Howard
    5)Not Kobe

  • LA_33

    With apologies to Wade and Kobe, I think LeBron is the clear-cut MVP this year.

    He’s having an individual season that’s as least as good as Wade (and better than Kobe) and the Cavs are probably going to finish with the best record in the league. The Lakers have far more talent around Kobe, and there’s no way that the difference between Wade and LeBron’s supporting cast is far less than the 21 games that seperate them in the standings.

    To put it an other way, the Cavs would be a lotto team without LeBron, and they’re going to have the best record in the league, in a year when four teams will win 60 games. That’s incredible.

  • Samcobillibob

    Whaat about CP3? SEPHALOSSHAAA!!!

  • Mike

    vince carter….boom outta here

  • Robin

    I think my point still stands. I was describing playmaking ability with assists and turnovers. If Wade handles the ball more than LeBron, assuming they’re equal as playmakers, he should have more assists and more turnovers. But in reality, regardless of how often he handles the ball, he assists less often and turns it over more often than LeBron.

    To say that playmaking is easier on a better team is a separate argument. I think that’s debatable, but either way it takes us away from a discussion of actual accomplishments and into hypothetical territory. The counter-argument to that would be that on a good team the best player shares playmaking duties with more and better players, giving him fewer chances. This would be Kobe’s defense, for example, that his assists are low because he’s “letting his teammates shine”, and I think there’s some validity to that.

    You can make a much stronger argument about rebounding numbers being harder for guys on good rebounding teams (like the Cavs).

  • Holiday

    How can Kobe be the MVP? I know how it works but this award should be called the best player award cause the Lakers would obviously be a very good team without Kobe however take D-Wade outta Miami and they don’t make the playoffs! Give it to a guy who is the main reason for his teams success!

  • Holiday

    Think about Orlando without Dwight Howard, still a good team but nowhere near the top of there conference, But I believe the Lakers still make the Playoffs in between 8 and 4 spots!

  • http://4point0show.com Wes

    Kinda confused as to how my name got brought up next to a quote that wasn’t mine…

  • zers

    Brandon Roy. The Blazers would be worse than the Kings and Warriors if it weren’t for him.

  • DJR

    The Race To The MVP section on NBA.com always submits their Top 10. The other day in Chris Paul’s section had a comment by a New Orleans reporter. The comment by Bob Licht about CP3 where he compared Paul’s contribution to his team total’s got me thinking – is that the real way to measure the true value of a player? Take an objective approach rather than a subjective one – how much to they actually contribute to the performance of their team? That way you avoid Nash winning back to back titles when his impressive play was clearly a successful part of Coach D’Antoni’s style with excellent team mates, not Nash’s individual brilliance. So I did the math and crunched the numbers – looking at PPG, RPB, APG, MPG, SPG and BPG – the result is a reworking of the Top 10 candidates based on an average of their individual contributions in the aforementioned stats.

    THE REWORKED TOP 10:
    1. Chris Paul – 25.13% average of team totals – he leads his team in 3 fields and is Top 5 in 5 categories
    2. Dwyane Wade – 24.95% – leads in 4; Top 5 in all 6
    3. LeBron James – 24.4% – leads in 5; Top 2 in all 6
    4. Dwight Howard – 23.99% – leads in 3; Top 5 in 4
    5. Tim Duncan – 21.72% – leads in 3; Top 5 in 5
    6. Yao Ming – 19.6% – leads in 3; Top 5 in 4
    7. Deron Williams – 16.85% – leads in 3; Top 5 in 4
    8. Brandon Roy – 16.33% – leads in 4; Top 5 in 5
    9. Kobe Bryant – 16.27% – leads in 2; Top 5 in all 6
    10. Chauncey Billups – 14.52% – leads in 2; Top 5 in 4

    A fairly different ranking compared to the current list – and definitely an interesting look.

    Is CP3 the actual MVP? Is LBJ as he leads 5 categories and only Big Ben contributes more blocks per game (and only just). Kobe drops to the bottom but is he less valuable? Surely the argument could be made that he’s focusing on being a team player, getting his team mates involved, which is why he is still Top 5 in all 6 but only contributes an average of 16% to the total team figures. Which then also begs the question (I hate pointing this out as Kobe is my favourite player) – but can you really be considered the MVP if you have another team mate in the Top 20 – or another team mate who is an All-Star. How can KG, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen all be considered for MVP?? To be a championship team, you’re going to need multiple players who in their own right are excellent players – so how do any of them achieve the MVP award??

    An argument could also be made that doing it this way isn’t really that accurate because it doesn’t weigh the importance of the statistical categories – CP3 contributes more than 50% of his team’s assists and Dwight contributes more than 50% of his team’s blocks – does that unfairly skew the figures or not?

    It would be interesting to see where players in the rest of the L rank if they were all measured this way.

    Surely LBJ is as he is ranked Top 2 in all 6 major statistical categories on the Cavs.

  • Dave

    I think that the MVP is way over analyzed! There should be one of two things that should make up the definition of the MVP. #1. If you close your eyes and think of this season what would you think of. 2 years ago we would think of Dallas and there dominance. Therefore Dirk Nowitzki. Last year we would think of the Lakers and the Celtics returning to dominance. Also, maybe about the crazy west, and we find Kobe Bryant getting rewarded for being the best single player in the league for not only last year, but also for being the MVP of the league for the last 5-10 years. Think about what the NBA would be without Kobe. He has carried the league with his individual skill for so long! Then we think about this year. So, for #2 Who is the MVP of the NBA right now. It really does come down to Kobe, Lebron, and Wade, maybe Howard. There is no way the NBA would be exciting without them. But from those 4 we find that Kobe and Lebron stand apart. They are way too important to this season and the NBA. If we think about this season then you have to think about the Cavs and the Lakers, and how they have stood apart from the rest of the crowd. And when it has to come from one of those teams there is no arguing that it is Lebron and Kobe. Say what you want about their teams, but without those 2 those teams are Memphis and Milwaukee! I am a big Lakers and Kobe fan, but if the Cavs finish with the best record then I think you would have to give it James. This award is about everything that makes these players special to the NBA. It is not just about stats, and it definitely isn’t about a player’s worth to his team! All of the teams would be terrible without their star! So, #1 what has this season been about. Lakers and Cavs. #2 Who is the NBA’s MVP even without just this season.

    It needs to go to Kobe or James! Whoever has the best record should win!

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi T

    I can’t wait for the ROY debate coming next week in The Links. Hopefully, it gets as much action as this post.

  • L33tSauce

    RonBo, I didn’t realize that you were putting the meaning of valuable up for discussion, but I’m not the guy to talk to about that. You should go inform the different dictionary companies to tell them that you think that they messed up the meaning of valuable. And I forgot they can’t win games. Their 5th in the East because they can’t win games. See my last post about Wade’s FG%, because as I said, since actually having a center, Wade’s %’s have been higher than Lebron’s. I can’t wait till next year :) Oh, and your correct, Wade is at 359 on rebounds, my mistake, but your bullshi numbers on Wade taking more shots? I had to look into it. He’s taken exactly 118 more shots, and made exactly 59 more. That would be 50% from the field my friends. So sure Ron, I want more.

  • http://yahoo.com Domo

    Lebron for Mvp….D wade still the best player in the League hands-down 2nd to MAMBA…Check his resume for proof…Im ghost

  • Brittney

    Kobe
    Lebron
    Howard
    Chris
    Wade

    I have Kobe ahead of Lebron given the fact that Kobe is having a better season then last year when he won the MVP so he should get major consideration to rack up his second one and I also feel the award should be given to whoever team does get the better overall record because it really is that close.

  • simoun

    My top five:
    1. D
    2. W
    3. A
    4. D
    5. E

  • http://www.youtube.com/tripledouble TripleDouble

    “Because thinking is on some other ish”. . . Man, I can’t believe people are still saying “ish”. That saying should have NEVER lasted. It’s annoying as hell and sounds SOOOO try hard. Makes me spew. . . Lang is talented though, no doubt, just don’t say “ish”. . . because my opinion matters to all of you, right?? right? . . . oh. . . sigh.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Doubt it Tzvi. Expect half to 60% of the comments. Besides, its Rose or Westbrook. Rose actually.
    Then Mayo, Lopez, Gordon. If I’m forgetting anyone then they aren’t even in the ‘debate’.
    B-Easy isn’t a legit candidate… sorry.

  • Bubbles

    Kobe. Why? Kobe is doing what others have been saying he couldn’t do for years, getting his teammates involved. His division is much tougher, and he has his team on top of it.

    The other big factor where I believe Kobe has an edge over LBJ is winning games. Yeah, we all see Lebrons put up ridiculous stats for most of the year, but where does he falter? When it counts. Lebron’s performance against the elite teams is not good at all. Look at his stats and his team’s stats against the Lakers, Magic, and Celtics. LBJ showed up in true LBJ fashion in 2-8 of those games, both of which were at home. A MVP is supposed to lead his team to victory through the toughest opponents. Sadly, LBJ has not reached that point. Kobe has and remained a calm steady leader through the toughest of opponents. That to me is a true MVP.

  • julius

    Nobody will put lebron lower than second on their ballot.. he will run away with this award – won´t even be close!

  • starbury&stevey

    1.Dwade
    2.duncan
    3.kobe
    4.Lebron
    5.billups

    ROY:d-rose

  • international

    wow, this year the mvp voting reminds me of every single one during MJs time. people are always looking for ways not to give it to the one real mvp. that guy simply is LBJ. best player, best team, best stats, best teammate, best leader…where does anybody even see a discussion here????

    after that i see wade, kobe, parker, howard

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    1. LeBron
    2. Dwyane Wade
    3. Kobe
    4. Howard
    5. CP3

  • L33tSauce

    Bubbles I’m the last to defend Lebron, but you have to look at the team cmparison. The Lakers are a beter team than the Cavs. Kobe doesn’t win those games, the LA Lakers win those games which as of right now is the tam I believe will win it all(coming from a Heat fan). But according to RonBo up there, MVP is really MVP from a elite team, so even if one guy (Wade) means more to his team than another(James) he should be ineligible? When by definition Wade would be the true winner? This is like when Bush won in 2000 man. It’s just messed up.

  • L33tSauce

    I guess the 1982 MVP was a fluke, since Moses Malone’s team won only 46 games and he won. Oh well, I’m going to lobby to David Stern to change the name of this award. It’s obviously not MVP. BPOBT award? After Koe retires we can just call it the Byant Award. Sounds better than BPOBT(Best player on best team).

  • truthteller

    Ronbo,
    And Here’s a little trivia for you too: How many rings does Shaq have without Kobe and Wade?

  • truthteller

    And by the way, I think Wade is deserving of the MVP award but shouldn’t and won’t get it this season. A few years ago Kobe took a team that nobody had making the playoffs to the 7th seed in the western conference!!!! And who won it that year? Nash. That year the Lakers didn’t win 50 games (They won about 45). This year it’s clear that the Heat will not win 50 games and even though Wade is carrying the team into the playoffs the same way Kobe did a few years ago, there should be consistency with the voting. If Kobe wasn’t good eneough to win it 3 years ago, then Wade isn’t good enough to win it this season. So, that leaves Kobe and LeBron. I’m not going to pick between those two. I will not be mad at whoever wins it between those two. But I already know that the voters are going to pick Lebron. So Lebron it is!

  • L33tSauce

    Another stat stuffer for you, thanks to the latest issue of Slam. The Heat are about to be the first team since 69 that have made the playoffs after a 15 win season. Thank you, Wade. You can say the Lakers or Cavs would be horrid without their stars, but in all reality the’d be in the playoffs. The Heat have shown how they play even with an injured Wade. And Nash didn’t score 35 that year like Kobe, but he was the MVP not because of his team, but because of how much Nash elevated everyone elses game. Marion averaged 20 a game, Raja Bell on Diaw were actally good. Since then? neither Diaw or Bell are the same, and Marion is averaging 13 a game since losing the guy who made him who he is.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    1. LeBron
    2. Kobe
    3. CP3
    4. Dwight Howard
    5. D-Wade

  • http://jfdkslf.com Jukai

    L33tSauce made a pretty great comparison… Everyone says that Wade wont get it because Nash got it over Kobe, but isn’t Wade elevating his teammates the same way Nash did that got people so enamored with him?
    Plus if anyone says ‘system’ with how crappy the Knicks and every single one of their players are doing, I’ll shoot them.

  • L33tSauce

    Well, David Lee is doing good, he’s fun to watch. But yes, the rest of the Knicks def suck.

  • Bubbles

    L33tSauce

    I actually agree with you L33t. I honestly would not have a problem if Wade won the award. I just can’t seem to root for LBJ if he drastically underperforms during clutch time. Sure, “clutch” stats show LBJ is better, but those stats don’t measure when a player hits like 6-10 points when their team is down 10 to bring them back into the game. The measured “clutch” stats only show when a player scores with under x amount of minutes left in the game when the teams are within 2-3 points of each other. I personally believe the most valuable player should be someone who single handedly wills their team to victory, and nobody does it in the NBA as well as Kobe and Wade.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/officerbarbrady what

    Nash elevated his team to 60 wins. Wade’s “elevating” his team to a .500 record. He’s having a great season, but he’s not more valuable than the players who are elevating their team to .600 or to elite status.

  • celtics!!!!!!!!

    1) Lebron James ( he is AMAZIN….. i kno none da celtics are gettin MVP dis year :(
    2)Kevin Garnett(he’s just da man!!, a tru team playa and da heart & soul of da CELTICS!)
    3)Dwight Howard
    4)Dwayne Wade
    5)Kobe Bryant(he is stuck up and yeah dat all i gotta say…. a TEAM PLAYA should be MVP not a ball hog.)

  • http://vote4najee.blogspot.com NajeeT

    D. Wade is the mvp to me… take him off the heat and theyre a 15 win team again… he has a team with a rookie point guard and 3… THREE rookies in the regular rotation fighting for the 4th spot in the east.. granted its the east but take him off the team and the heat r another lottery team…

    the best player on the best team wins the newly named bill russell award… not the season mvp.. thats how i think it should be

  • http://vote4najee.blogspot.com NajeeT

    MVP… 1.Dwade 2.lebron 3. CP3 4.Dwight howard 5. Timmy D

    ROY… 1. westbrook 2. Rose 3. Mayo 4. Lopez 5 BEasly

    i think westbrook should get it because he is putting up MONSTER rookie numbers playing a position in the NBA(point) that he has never played exclusively in his life…. woah

  • Myung

    I was listening to the latest Bill Simmons Podcast, and Simmons briefly mentioned SLAM Magazine…

  • Rohrs

    Bubbles, I have a question for you… Have you actually WATCHED LeBron James play this year?!? A comment like “I just can’t seem to root for LBJ if he drastically underperforms during clutch time” not only makes you sound like an idiot – it makes it seem like you’ve been spoon-fed an opinion that is not your own. So dude, I implore you – WAKE UP! LeBron is “clutch” & has completely dominated crunch time this season. Do I really need to waste my time listing game after game where LeBron either scored or assisted the Cavs to vitory? Probably. But I won’t. I’ll let his game do the talking… So Bubbles, turn off the highlight shows, and WATCH HIM PLAY. Maybe then you can give us an informed opinion.

  • L33tSauce

    To Compare Nash and Wade completely is not what I was getting at and i do believe not how Jukia meant it. Wade not only carries the load scoring(which Nash never did), he is giving his all on defense(not that Nash didn’t try, he just couldn’t really defend), and though he doesn’t evelate teamates like Nash did, he does more so than Lebron or Kobe. And be honest, would this Heat team even compare to the suns if you removed Wade and Nash. The leftovers of the Heat without Wade vs. the suns team that year with no Nash, Miami would look like a college team.

  • karma

    I’m a huge Kobe fan…but there’s no way LeGlobal is not the MVP this year. Dude’s been playing like a beast, and he has the best team in the league…I dont really care for him, but he stands out, even over Kobe. KB8/24 is more about the end prize though, I will be disappointed if the Lakers don’t win the title this year. I want a Lakers/Cavs Finals so we can settle this Kobe/Lebron thing once and for all.

  • dp – aus

    it’s tuough to compare all 3 players, becuase their numbers are close to the same, some higher than the other, but that’s dependent on their team, i’m sure kobe and bron would be putting up crazy stat lines if they were on worser teams. remember when the lakers were garbage, kobe put up 81. i think this season’s race is too close to call… we’ve had co-ROY’s and co all star MVP’s so why not have co regs season MVPs. becuase the only thing everyone is sure of is that there is no real way to seperate the 3 and there is no official judging criteria do so, even if one has more wins, it does not detemine their true value to the team, as for playing in the clutch, maybe if the lakers and cavs didn’t blow out so many teams then kobe and bron would have more of chance to perfrom well in clutch time situations, just as if wade was playing for a better team he would have more wins. it would only be unfair and an insult to these 3 great players to itemise their skills and achivements just for an award. it’s like a running race you give to prize to winner, in this race its still tied, at one point maybe this season or maybe next season one of these players will lift and separate themslf from the rest, until then they are tied, and just like a running race if 3 runners finish 1st tied than they all get the prize.

  • Bubbles

    I do watch Rohrs. However, I give the most weight to the marquee games such as Cavs vs Lakers or Cavs vs Celtics. When Lebrons misses dunks or free throws in the final minutes of a big regular season game, I find it hard to give him my full support. Perhaps I can summarize best by saying that Lebrons creates games (his stats), while Kobe and Dwade closes games.

    Admittedly with tonight’s game, he does show that he is worthy of the MVP. His team has the best record and I also give lots of weight to the best player on best team category. However, if the Lakers are tied or ahead of the Cavs, I have to say Kobe still deserves the award.

  • Sam Z

    mvp chris paul
    roy eric gordon

  • Rohrs

    Wow Bubbles… Your “marquee games” list sure seems to overlook the wins the Cavs have over the Celtics, Magic, and Heat this year where LeBron dominated… Convenient my friend, very convenient. Let me ask you this – Just how many big misses has Kobe or Wade had in losses over the last couple weeks alone? Be honest. Do you know? Oh but wait – that would mean you’d have to look into your dreaded “clutch stats” which clearly illustrate the fact that LeBron owns games late – rendering your argument moot. Seriously your shtick is tired. Wake up man.

  • Jake

    What if a player played for a team with the best record in the league, and lead his team in almost all of the major statistical categories? Would that qualify him for MVP? LeBron leads Cleveland in per game scoring, rebounds, assists, steals, and is just barely third in blocks behind Big Ben and Z (1.4,1.3,1.2). How often has that happened in the league’s history? Jordan never did it. Whenever the Bulls were the league’s top team, Pippen had more assists, and Grant or Rodman had more boards.
    ——-
    1.LeBron
    2.Wade
    3.Paul
    4.Kobe
    5.Howard

    You could make the argument that Kobe is the best player on the list, but his teammates and coach are too good for him to get MVP. You take him off LA and they are fighting with the Suns for the final playoff spot. LeBron, Wade, and CP3 drive their respective teams. And their stats are off the charts. If their teams lost them, they would fall to the bottom of their conferences. The offense flows through them, and they are the top defenders on their teams. Kobe is an amazing defender (1st or 2nd All defense), but Ariza is LA’s top defender.

  • Jackie Moon

    Cavaliers against Magic, Spurs, Celtics, Lakers: 3-7. Lakers against Magic, Spurs, Celtics, Cavs: 5-3.

  • I am the walrus

    Wow… 400th comment. MVP? Two words: Adam Morrison.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBQEmmgDl9I Boing Dynasty

    Your all wrong. Sorry.

  • Jack

    LeBron, Kobe, D-Wade, Dwight, Chauncey. ROY goes to Rose.

  • Alan

    MVP is eazy. the best guy in the best team (best record), or at least top 3 teams. Sorry for D-Wade.

    ROY it’s harder to tell. I’d go with Mayo, just because Memphis needs some good news.

  • Rohrs

    For all those trying to use the Cavs’ record against the Magic, Spurs, Celtics, & Lakers this season against LeBron winning the MVP – STOP IT. You are undermining your own argument as the Cavs have played more games this year with injuries to members of their starting five (considerably more than LA, Orlando, San Antonio, and – dare I burst their bubble? – Boston) and given that the Cavaliers have a two-game lead for best record in the NBA, how can LeBron not be the MVP? He has played at a consistently high-MVP level all season.

    In addition, for anyone out there who is still stuck in last season didn’t LeBron lead Kobe in scoring, boards, & dimes last year while going 2-0 against the Lakers? That’s right – he did… But Kobe won, and deserved to win, the MVP.

    So give credit where credit is due this season and admit that LeBron James deserves to runaway with the MVP award. With apologies to D-Wade – we’ve seen this song and dance before… Most recently in the form of LeBron’s previous two seasons.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    1. Brian Scalabrine
    2. Matt Bonner
    3. Andres Nocioni
    4. Spencer Hawes
    5. Chris Quinn

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Late for the party but here goes:
    1. LeBron
    2. Wade
    3. Paul
    4. Parker
    5. Kobe

  • Basketball Fan

    Agree that the race is a close one, but I dispute your premise that the East is a “much weaker conference.” Respectfully, I think you’re stuck in last season on that one.

    Without question the East has 3 of the 4 best teams. The West clearly has a lot more teams that will finish with 50 wins. The East has a 226-208 record (.521) in interconference games. It seems pretty hard to navigate those facts in any way that makes either conference “much stronger” or “much weaker.”

    Since you were writing about the relative challenges facing the Cavs and Lakers, however, it might be instructive to look at those teams’ comparative records against the West and the East. The Cavs are 35-9 (.795) against the East and 25-4 (.862) against the West. The Lakers are 20-8 (.714) against the East and 38-7 (.844) against the West. It is pretty clear that as between those two teams, both of which completely dominate against Western Conference opponents, it is the Lakers who have an advantage playing more games against the “weaker” conference.

  • matt the jazz fan

    1. Lebron
    2. Kobe Bryant
    3. Chris Paul
    4. Dwayne Wade
    5. Tony Parker

    (apologies to Dwight, 6th, and DWill out with injury too long to qualify)

  • Jackie Moon

    Cavaliers against Magic, Spurs, Celtics, Lakers: 3-7

  • Rohrs

    It’s easy to see why you weren’t able to keep your team in Flint Jackie… Get with the times man – LBJ is the MVP!

  • greg

    So the writer of this column has an MVP vote. Well as far as I’m concerned he should lose it for not even mentioning Chris Paul. Everyone’s in love with D-Wade and the season he’s having. Not taking anything away from Wade because he has been awesome but CP3 has been just as unbelieveable. He has the Hornets sitting 18 games above .500 in the ultra competitive and talented Western conference. And the Hornets have been banged up all year yet Paul has been the glue that has kept them together. Last night they were without Peja/Posey/Chandler and yet they beat the Spurs because of clutch play by Paul. It was only one game but it’s one game that can best sum up the Hornets season. In conclusion, I don’t think Chris Paul should win MVP but he certainly deserves to be in the conversation just as much and possibly more then D-Wade.

  • Gque24

    Lebron does not ahve less talent than Kobe and the Lakers. Both teams are very good for their specific ways of attack. Cavs are full of spot up shooters who get wide open attempts all game. Lakers have skilled long players who get a lot of rebounds and pass the ball around great with the triangle offense. When it comes down to it, Cavs players are better and smarter overall at defense then the Lakers. Lakers real threats are only Kobe and Gasol, everyone else is inconsistent too many nights during the season and playoffs. The Cavs have Lebron, Big Moe, and Zeke to attack teams every night. Those 3 alone produce nearly as much as an entire Lkaers team in assists & points. This is why its ludacris to continue to say the Lakers are more talented. The Lakers are the same inconsistent bunch they have been for past 4-5 years. Only difference is Gasol and a healthy Ariza who still doesnt know what his role is going to be night in and night out. Either way its Kobe for MVP and lets see the ultimate showdown in the Finals Kobe vs Lebron = for the THRONE

  • Michael

    I’m a huge Kobe fan, but it isn’t even a contest at this point. Lebron far an away. He’s continued to play amazing and his team will more than likely end up with the best record in the league. D-wade has returned to earth and is now just playing merley great instead of good-god this guy isn’t a f**king human. And has spent the last two weeks jogging on the basketball court while thowring the ball somewhere in the vicinty of thw rim not really caring if it goes in or not.

  • Michael

    That last part is about Kobe not D-wade.

  • http://slammagazine AJ

    I read the majority of the post on this site for this particular question. Alot of people are favoring players because they like them or their team. Anyone who truly watches basketball and appreciates the game would only see one MVP, it is not a 3 horse race by any means. Im not going to say 2nd or 3rd because who really cares who gets 2nd. Like ricky bobby said ” if you aint first, your last”. Lebron Is the League MVP this year head and shoulders above everyone, LA time columnist J.A Adande even said its not even Lebrons to loose anymore, its Lebron’s period. Now for the arguments Ive seen on here. Whoever gets 1 seed should get it, people that say this are just AIG trying to get a bailout, Kobe got it last year Boston had best record??? not a good argument at all especially if you have been watching all year. Dwade has been great this year, I agree 100% but his numbers this year arent better than Lebrons the 2 years previous to this, and aren’t realy much better than his this year. For someone that said stealling rebounds…..really??? thats just a stupid thing to say, won’t acknowledge such a dumb statement more than I just did. As for Kobe he i having a good season, not as good as last season and he has not played well for the past 2 to 3 weeks argument for him is fading by the day. I like the argument about the roster talent when comparing Kb and LBJ, anyone who says the cavs are as talented as the lakers and would still be in the playoff hunt with and average SF is smoking something, reason being is you say…oh well mo williams is an all star….by default no one heard of mo williams before this year look at his numbers retty close to his ml bucks numbers from last year on a team with a better than avaerage sf michael redd??? and a better center than Z in bogut and they were not even close to playoffs last year. The lakers with an average sg with paul gasol would stll win the division and win 50 games, not to mention if you switchedthe two guys The cav would probably break the bulls record of 72 and 10 easily as they curently do not have a low post player at all the lakers with mo would be mediocre at best.. Lastly as for its his turn……Lebron is to young for it to be his turn….honestly he should have one it last year, but the writers gave it to Kobe for playing more like Lebron last year and because he had not won one yet and the cavs didn’t win 50 games. if anyone wants more I got a lot more to give, but this is already a lot.

  • Jackie Moon

    Lebron can be MVP. Kobe is the best player. Hey Karl Malone won once, too, while MJ was playing!

  • Rohrs

    Why are you on here Jackie? Shouldn’t you be spending your time writing the hit followup to “Love Me Sexy”? Oh wait – that’s right – your mom wrote that song! Maybe she should write your posts on the MVP debate as well since yours are so weak? Just a thought. Love your hair.

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    “love your hair”: oh man, Rohrs diss was fresh. Laughed my head off.

  • RonBo

    I agree with Rohrs 100% LBJ is going to win MVP and even putting Wades name into contention is a disgrace. If anybody here has watched cavs games within the last month they would have seen why LBJ and the Cavs will take the championship with ease and the MVP award. The Cavs have not played (SERIOUS) in the 3rd quarter until they played Dallas and were down by 15.. The final score to that game explains everything.. LBJ did not even play in the 4th and he had 12 assists 5rebounds and 20+ points.. It is absolutely crazy what LBJ does for Cleveland and anything shy of a ring for LBJ will be a disappointment. He almost averages a triple double every game. It is crazy.

  • Get Money

    I just found this on youtube. Yo this MaGalls dude is off the chain.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51w7hTYjUis

  • rstove8912

    1. LeBron
    2. Dwyane
    3. Kobe
    4. CP
    5. Dwight

  • DT

    To Rohrs

    “Why are you on here Jackie? Shouldn’t you be spending your time writing the hit followup to “Love Me Sexy”? Oh wait – that’s right – your mom wrote that song! Maybe she should write your posts on the MVP debate as well since yours are so weak? Just a thought. Love your hair.”

    C’mon, people have opinions. You may not like the way she argues but that doesn’t give u the right to insult her.

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