Friday, July 17th, 2009 at 2:48 pm  |  130 responses

Links: I Got 50!

Plus, astronauts and grilled cheese…

by Lang Whitaker

Fri-Day! Yes!

And the good news? Summer League is almost over! Hey, did you hear that Anthony Morrow scored 47 points last night in a Summer League game? That’s great. He also scored 37 points last season in an actual NBA game. That, I care about. But 47 in a Summer League game? Eh. And yet, because we are all so NBA deprived right now, for many people, Summer League morphs into something greater than it actually is. I tuned out when they retired Nate Robinson’s jersey.

So, here’s a couple of non-basketball related links, and then we end it with some NBA talk…

• Ebony magazine really screwed this one up. I don’t think anyone looked like this in the year 2000, but definitely not Michael Jackson.

• The Boston Globe has a ton of very cool pictures from Apollo 11. I think I’m turning into a space geek.

• Also from NASA, here’s a great picture of a volcano erupting.

• Jay-Z vs. The Game and lessons for the American primacy debate.

• Some Starbucks stores are changing their names. I love Starbucks, but when you have to change your name to get people to come into your stores, maybe the name isn’t the problem.

Cool…but nope, still not going to drink the Red Bull Cola.

• Here is the proper way to make a grilled cheese sandwich. Don’t say we never taught you anything.

• Finally, a couple of days ago, the guys from Basket, which is definitely one of my two favorite basketball magazines from Germany, hit me with an email. They were assembling a panel of international experts to rank the top 10 NBA players for each position (PG, SG, SF, PF, C = 50 players) for their next issue. By German rules, I qualified as an NBA expert, so they sent along a list of the top few dozen at each position, asked me to rank them, and added a few caveats:

- Don’t mix up the positions, please use their list and positions.
– No rookies.
– It’s not about value for money.
– It doesn’t matter if the player was good two years ago or if he has potential – it’s about today.

So…here’s how I ranked the top ten NBA players at each position. Surely there won’t be anyone out there who disagrees with me, right? Apologies go to whoever it pleases. Here’s my Top 50…

POINT GUARDS
1. Chris Paul (New Orleans Hornets)
2. Tony Parker (San Antonio Spurs)
3. Deron Williams (Utah Jazz)
4. Jameer Nelson (Orlando Magic)
5. Derrick Rose (Chicago Bulls)
6. Rajon Rondo (Boston Celtics)
7. Chauncey Billups (Denver Nuggets)
8. Steve Nash (Phoenix Suns)
9. Jason Kidd (Dallas Mavericks)
10. Andre Miller (Philadelphia 76ers)

EXPLANATION: I wasn’t sure what to do with Gilbert Arenas. When he’s healthy, he’s probably top half of that list, but since this list is for today, and we have no idea how Gilbert’s knee is right now, I left him off. Mo Williams also almost cracked my list, but I put this together thinking if I were starting a franchise today and needed a point guard, these are the guys I’d go after first. Mo would probably be number 11 on my list. Or 12, because Devin Harris was also just left off. I know people will probably quibble with Andre Miller making my list, but I’ve always appreciated his game — never the most athletic guy, but he’s really solid and, in the right system, he understands how to run a team. Same with Baron Davis, who I couldn’t find room for, either.

SHOOTING GUARDS
1. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers)
2. Dwyane Wade (Miami Heat)
3. Brandon Roy (Portland Trail Blazers)
4. Joe Johnson (Atlanta Hawks)
5. Vince Carter (Orlando Magic)
6. Michael Redd (Milwaukee Bucks)
7. Ray Allen (Boston Celtics)
8. Jason Terry (Dallas Mavericks)
9. Ben Gordon (Detroit Pistons)
10. Allen Iverson (Detroit Pistons)

EXPLANATION: Calm down, Sacramento fans. Kevin Martin scores a lot of points, but he doesn’t play defense. At all. Also, he’s missed 52 games the last two seasons, and if I’m building my team around someone, it’s not going to be him. GINOBILI! would have made the list, but with his recent injuries I felt safer leaving him off this time. Same with T-Mac. Iverson? He averaged 17 and 5 last year for Detroit, and when the Pistons let him do his thing, they were still a tough team to beat.

SMALL FORWARDS
1. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers)
2. Carmelo Anthony (Denver Nuggets)
3. Kevin Durant (Oklahoma City Thunder)
4. Paul Pierce (Boston Celtics)
5. Ron Artest (L.A. Lakers)
6. Danny Granger (Indiana Pacers)
7. Hedo Turkoglu (Toronto Raptors)
8. Shawn Marion (Miami Heat)
9. Josh Howard (Dallas Mavericks)
10. Richard Jefferson (San Antonio Spurs)

EXPLANATION: I thought this was the toughest category, by far. At different points I had both Andre Iguodala and Caron Butler on this list, but ended up dropping them. There’s also a lot of younger guys on the come-up (Al Thornton, Luol Deng, Rudy Gay, Trevor Ariza) who could crack this list a year from now.

POWER FORWARDS
1. Tim Duncan (San Antonio Spurs)
2. Pau Gasol (Los Angeles Lakers)
3. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas Mavericks)
4. Kevin Garnett (Boston Celtics)
5. Chris Bosh (Toronto Raptors)
6. Amare Stoudemire (Phoenix Suns)
7. Carlos Boozer (Utah Jazz)
8. David West (New Orleans Hornets)
9. Rashard Lewis (Orlando Magic)
10. Josh Smith (Atlanta Hawks)

EXPLANATION: There may be some quibbling with some of these guys being listed as power forwards, but I didn’t come up with the list. That said, I found it interesting that Boozer was my generously-rated seventh-best power forward in the NBA and he’s still on target to get a $14 million-a-year deal next season. And so many teams are talking about Bosh as a max guy…really? I left off Elton Brand because of his injuries. I left off Charlie Villanueva because he’s not one of the ten best power forwards in the NBA, although someone probably should have explained that to Joe Dumars a while ago. The ten spot came down to Josh Smith and Kenyon Martin, but I went with Smoove because he’s younger and sturdier.

CENTERS
1. Dwight Howard (Orlando Magic)
2. Shaquille O’Neal (Cleveland Cavaliers)
3. Andrew Bynum (Los Angeles Lakers)
4. Al Horford (Atlanta Hawks)
5. Al Jefferson (Minnesota Timberwolves)
6. Mehmet Okur (Utah Jazz)
7. Nene (Denver Nuggets)
8. Brad Miller (Chicago Bulls)
9. Marcus Camby (Los Angeles Clippers)
10. Tyson Chandler (New Orleans Hornets)

EXPLANATION:
I let off Yao because his foot exploded, otherwise he was my definite number 2 on this list. At the same time, I broke my own rule about the injuries to include Al Jefferson on this list, because the top ten centers were really looking weak and I was afraid I’d have to include Jermaine O’Neal or Chris Kaman or Emeka Okafor. And we can’t be having that.

That’s it. Have a great weekend everyone and catch you all back here next week.

(Go Braves!)

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  • JermareoDavidson

    I cant see how RJ is even in the top ten. Come on my man Gerald Wallace needs sum love

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi Twersky

    When Jameer was in college, I was playing ball about two miles away myself. I always loved and emulated his game. Truth is, if I were allowed to have a favorite current player, it would be him (or PP34). Still, though, I think his lack of height and finishing ability, both things he worked around in college, deem him below par on D and around the rim. I have him 7th, skills-wise, on the PG list. But in Lang’s spot, or higher, for his heart.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    I think nash only realistically belongs higher than rose and nelson. Seriously if you’re building for the future rose is the obvious choice but if I needed a guy to run my team this second I’ll take nash’s 16 and 9 over rose’s 16 and 6 any day.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    And I’m betting in the near future Kevin Durant overtakes melo and moves into the top 5 player in the league discussion.

  • JL

    Do your own list! I like mine better

    PG
    Chris Paul
    Deron Williams
    Steve Nash
    Tony Parker
    Chauncey Billups
    Devin Harris
    Rajon Rondo
    Derrick Rose
    Jason Kidd
    Jose Calderon

    SG
    Kobe Bryant
    Dwyane Wade
    Brandon Roy
    Vince Carter
    Ray Allen
    Joe Johnson
    OJ Mayo
    Kevin Martin
    Ben Gordon
    Eric Gordon

    SF
    Lebron James
    Carmelo Anthony
    Kevin Durant
    Danny Granger
    Paul Pierce
    Caron Butler
    Rashard Lewis
    Ron Artest
    Shawn Marion
    Rudy Gay
    Gerald Wallace

    PF
    Kevin Garnett
    Dirk Nowitzki
    Pau Gasol
    Tim Duncan
    Chris Bosh
    Amare Stoudemire
    David West
    Elton Brand
    Carlos Boozer
    Josh Smith

    C
    Dwight Howard
    Al Jefferson
    Shaquille Oneal
    Andris Biedrins
    Marcus Camby
    Al horford
    Mehmet Okur
    Emeka Okafor
    Nene
    Andrew Bynum

  • JustPuked

    How did you leave Andris Biedrins off your top 10 Center list? At worst he’s better than Brad Miller, Marcus Camby, and Tyson Chandler.

  • Ed

    Man has any position list looked as weak in any period of time as the center position does today especially without Yao?

    It is like Heavyweight Division in Boxing. You got a couple of Klitschkos at the top and then everyone else.

    Also, I love Red Bull Cola. I’m not sure if it qualifies as an energy drink like a Monster, Regular Red Bull, or Rockstar but if so, it is the only one I drink.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    caron butler is def. top 10 sf, lang, you really messed up this one. baron, gil, yao, etc i can understand, but butler HAS to be on there

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    and andris biedrins is better than chandler, maybe camby and brad too.

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    Lang Whitaker Posted: Jul.17 at 3:13 pm
    Amar, I hear you, but you’re underrating Bynum a bit. Bynum/Nene/Memo have all missed time the last few years. I go with Bynum because of his youth

    lang, didnt you say its sposed to be ranked as they are right now? not what they were or will be? so your reason for bynum being that high violates the guidelines. bynum is center no. 8 or 9

  • http://www.anwilson.blogspot.com rainman10

    Am I allowed to say that Jamison should be on the PF list and Boozer or West be left off?

  • http://www.anwilson.blogspot.com rainman10

    And where is Iggy on any of these lists!?!?

  • http://twitter.com/NotebookNick thesubwayconnection

    I really agree with Tarzan about Caron. He’s better than Marion, no question. Shawn doesn’t even have a jump shot.

  • http://www.anwilson.blogspot.com rainman10

    ok I see your mention of Iggy, Lang…my b. I was lookin for him at SG ya the SF was tough.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Lang, where would Bogut end up on that list?
    Thanks.

  • NBA kid

    JL: if you have Tim Duncan as not the best pf in the league (or top 3) something’s wrong. If you have Jose calderon above jameer nelson, something’s wrong. If you have Danny granger ahead of Paul pierce, something’s wrong.

  • http://sjsu.edu davidR

    lang, how’re you gonna address the non-existant kings fans about kevin, when monta is the real dominant sg of the bay? the moped incident really set him back, but that injury paragraph really should’ve been for monta, not kevin. he was never injury prone before the moped thing, and he won the MIP award. plus, he came back still averaging 19pts+ on 45% shooting. not bad for coming back rusty.

  • http://sjsu.edu davidR

    and lang, you’re telling me that if your team needed a sf right NOW, you would take shawn marion over caron, or rudy, or ariza, or iguodala?

  • http://sjsu.edu davidR

    and there’s no way you can rank the extremely durable, cp3 dependent tyson chandler over andris biedrins. biedrins is a one man rebound gang for the warriors, plays great d, has shown flashes of being able to dribble the ball to the rim for a dunk, works great with the pick and roll, and is extremely high% when within 5 feet of the basket. tyson, IF healthy, catches a bunch of cp3 orchestrated alley-oops, gets rebounds, and swats shots. that’s all

  • http://slamonline.com Negetivekreep

    Devin Harris???

  • http://slamonline.com Negetivekreep

    POINT GUARDS
    1. Chris Paul (New Orleans Hornets)
    2. Deron Williams (Utah Jazz)
    3. Tony Parker (San Antonio Spurs)
    4. Chauncey Billups (Denver Nuggets)
    5. Derrick Rose (Chicago Bulls)
    6. Steve Nash (Phoenix Suns) 7. Jameer Nelson (Orlando Magic)
    8. Rajon Rondo (Boston Celtics)
    9. Devin Harris (New Jersey nets)
    10.Jason Kidd (Dallas Mavericks)

    SMALL FORWARDS
    1. LeBron James (Cleveland Cavaliers)
    2. Carmelo Anthony (Denver Nuggets)
    3. Kevin Durant (Oklahoma City Thunder)
    4. Paul Pierce (Boston Celtics)
    5. Ron Artest (L.A. Lakers)
    6. Andre Iguodala (Illadelphia 76′ers)
    7. Danny Granger (Indiana Pacers)
    8. Caron Butler (Washington Wizards)
    9. Hedo Turkoglu (Toronto Raptors)
    10.Josh Howard (Dallas Mavericks)

    These were the only 2 catagories i had a prob with.

  • http://slamonline.com Negetivekreep

    Thats kinda how i feel about Jameer on my list.

  • WTF

    WTF
    jameer nelson 3? RJ>iguodala/butler WETF

    WHITAKER YOU FAT RETARD WTF

  • http://www.broy7.com nate the great

    pgs.
    nash
    chris paul
    nate rob
    rondo
    d-wills
    sgs
    dwade
    brandon roy
    eric gordon
    courtney lee
    jamal crawford/eddie house
    sf’s
    batum
    anthony randolph
    melo
    gereld wallace
    danny granger
    pf’s
    josh smith
    michael b easy
    amare
    vintige kmart aka new jersey
    c’s
    dwight
    horford
    yao
    shaq
    oden/pryz
    haha and ryan hollins

  • t2c.wah

    TP #2 on your PG list, Lang!?!
    Wow! As a French citizen I like that… but do you take into account Tony’s wifey?
    ’cause even for me he’s a lil’ too high on this list as he’s not a pure assist PG…
    I hope he will prove me wrong later this summer with the French national team which is close to disapear if they miss the qualification for Euro…

  • http://www.another48minutes.blogspot.com Gerard Himself

    I think I would’ve put Devin Harris’ in Miller’s spot, and Caron Butler instead of Shawn Marion.
    I really like your point guard list, and that you ranked Vince Carter quite high, I can only agree with that.

  • http://www.another48minutes.blogspot.com Gerard Himself

    oh, and that NASA link is just great, wow.

  • http://www.another48minutes.blogspot.com Gerard Himself

    “nate the great”: your list of power forwards: you think that they are all better than Duncan, Pau, Dirk and KG? Forget it, now that I look at your list again, it’s a joke.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    nate the great put together the most rediculous list I have ever seen…Nate Rodinson is now the third best PG in the league…wow…I’m suprised you didn’t put Carlos Delfino on that list…

  • http://slamonline.com Lang Whitaker

    Love all the interaction, people. Thanks!

  • tom

    on top of my list is that cheese sandwich.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Nate, your list is a freakin joke. Co-sign Gerard. Horford one of the best centers? Over Yao? LMFAO what an idiot.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Oh and for Lang’s list. Overall I like it, but for point guards, Ben Gordon over Allen Iverson? Never. Ever.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    C’mon Teddy, BG is better than AI is right now. Did you watch the playoffs? BG played outta his mind. AI is dunzo as a major piece of a contender. He’ll be an above average role player for a contender or a below average star for a bad team for the rest of his career. A couple years ago, AI is ahead of BG no questions asked, but now, BG deffinitely has the advantage.

  • http://Egotastic.com Michael

    Shawn Marion makes the SF list but LO doesn’t. Lamar beasted Marion two years in a row in the playoffs. And theres no way in hell Jameer Nelson is the b4th best pg in the league. He’s played a half of a good season.

  • ISH

    I think I speak for all of InsideHoops when I say that this list is a horror to mankind. Whoever created this, must be found and obliterated off the surface of this planet if we hope to ever have decent basketball conversation ever again.

    Thank you.

  • Kadavour

    the comments section of that rap/IR post was a damn good read.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Alex

    Odom and Igoudala both missing on SF list, which is probably the worst list of the 5. Odom is the only player in the L who could play 1,2,3,4. Maybe even 5 though most C’s would dominate him for any lengthy period. Iguodala would just make my list at #10 for his dunking, ability to be clutch in any game, he’s pretty much been 20p/6r/6a/2s for last couple of seasons. He hits all the catergories, which is what a SF should do.

    Bynum as a top 10 center is dubious but arguable. But hell no to being top 5, or even top 3. What the f has he ever done to deserve such an accolade?

    And Pau is not better than KG or Bosh or Amare. The spaniard has very little D for such a big guy

  • Josh D

    PG SG
    1 Chris Pual 1 Kobe Bryant
    2 Deron Williams 2 Dwayne Wade
    3 Tony Parker 3 Brandon Roy
    4 Chuancey Billups 4 Joe Johnson
    5 Jameer Nelson 5 Ray Allen
    6 Rajon Rondo 6 Manu Ginobili
    7 Devin Harris 7 Vince Carter
    8 Derrick Rose 8 Andre Iguodala
    9 Mo Williams 9 O.J Mayo
    10 Steve Nash 10 Michael Redd

    SF PF
    1 LeBron James 1 Tim Duncan
    2 Carmelo Anthony 2 Dirk Nowitski
    3 Pual Pierce 3 Kevin Garnett
    4 Danny Granger 4 Chris Bosh
    5 Kevin Durant 5 Pua Gasol
    6 Rashard Lewis 6 Amare Stoudemire
    7 Hedo Turkoglu 7 David West
    8 Ron Artest 8 Carlos Boozer
    9 Richard Jefferson 9 Elton Brand
    10 Josh Smith 10 Antawn Jamison
    C
    1 Dwight Howard
    2 Shaquille O’Neal
    3 Al Jefferson
    4 Nene
    5 Andrew Bynum
    6 Al Horford
    7 Tyson Chandler
    8 Marcus Camby
    9 Brad Miller
    10 Jermaine O’Neal

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    I didn’t read all the way because I’m off to work but this isn’t in order right? Because I personally believe rondo sh%ts on nelson and half of that list up there expect williams and paul. play wit it.

  • Justin

    My suggestion to you is to never write a blog again…

    Maybe if you saw Devin Harris’s impact on the Nets you would understand… Also
    Brad Miller over Bargs and Lopez is just pathetic

  • Simmy Sosa

    Caron Butler belongs on that list for Small Forwards. Shawn Marion does not. I will challenge anyone to a fist fight who disagrees.

  • Quail

    Trade Shaq for that grilled cheese……

  • Bro D.

    So Emeka Okafor is one of a handful to average a double double and he can’t crack top 10 in the center category? C’mon, that is uncalled for.

  • Bro D.

    Lang, were you high when you concocted this list? If so, that would explain the grilled cheese munchies and the space thing.

  • Jack

    Jameer Nelson seems too high . . . hasn’t he really only played a few months of very good basketball? Prior to the middle of this season, he’s had a pretty mediocre career, and hasn’t really had any break-out playoff performances (though probably not his fault). I don’t know if he’s legitimately good or if those few months of good ball were an aberration.

  • Jay in O-Town North

    8. Shawn Marion (Miami Heat)??? You mean Dallas Mavericks. And #8??? Dude isnt even in the top 20 anymore (and I thought he was easily the most over-rated All-Star to begin with.) Dude is a system player that’s lost without Nash, and two years out, dude done. Best thing TO did was dump him off on Dallas.

    And for the best grilled cheese use 1 inch thick slices of french bread and three kinds of cheese: cheddar, mozzarella and havarti…lots of each. Then, dont use butter, use extra-virgin olive oil, truffle oil or some other flavored oil and pour it right in the pan over medium heat. You’ll need to reload the oil when you flip the bread, but saturation is not a bad thing. Seriously. Best freakin grilled cheese sandwich you’ll ever have, I swear to God…

    Oh, and dont use Ketchup. Use HP Sauce (for the Canadians in the house) or A1 if you cant get HP in the States.

    Marion sucks!

  • iLL wiLL

    Dammit, I’ve been putting butter on the pan for years!

    Thanks lady!

  • the big ticket

    i hate the NBA, when i cant watch it w. a legit grilled chease…which i hav been making 1/2 ever since i can remember!damn!

  • http://sjsu.edu davidR

    bro d., good observation. lang prolly was lit when he made this post

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