Friday, August 28th, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  228 responses

Top 50: Allen Iverson, no. 50

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Lang Whitaker

A few years ago, a friend of mine had the opportunity to spend a few weeks with Allen Iverson. The Answer was doin’ work for Reebok, taking an overseas tour to move kicks. It was just a few weeks before training camp was starting, yet according to my guy, Iverson never set foot in a gym, didn’t touch a basketball the entire time. (He also said that on the long flight from the US to Asia, AI didn’t bring any magazines, books, music, etc. — just a Monopoly board game, which he and his crew played incessantly.)

Upon their return from Asia, my friend shared with me Iverson’s apparent lack of dedication to basketball. Of course, maybe AI had worked out all summer and was taking a break. Whatever, we agreed that with training camp right around the corner, it probably didn’t bode well for Iverson.

Then the season started, and Allen Iverson led the NBA in scoring at 30.7 ppg while averaging 42.3 minutes per game.

Allen Iverson has always been one of the most singular talents in all of sports. We will probably never see anyone who can exactly replicate all of his skills, ever again. Thanks to his size (or lack thereof), kids all over the world look up to him as a prototype of what they, in a perfect world, might become. They could be the guy out there with the ball in his hands the entire game, scoring buckets at will, copping an MVP, getting to the Finals, getting all the attention and adulation.

The truth is, they could never become Allen Iverson, any more than I could become Michael Jackson. Even though Iverson has always physically reflected the smallest the NBA has to offer, it’s the mixture of passion, emotion and will that differentiate and make him impossible to replicate. Any short dude can take a lot of shots. But not anyone can be Allen Iverson.

I’ve spent about a decade hanging around the NBA, and I still know very little about Allen Iverson. Really, from what I’ve gathered, nobody understands Iverson — who he is, what he’s like off the court. He’s always been one of the most private people in the NBA, and in some ways this has made him even more popular; not knowing what he’s really like off the court makes him a blanker slate upon which we can project our ideal superstar.

For years, in each edition of the Sixers media guide, Iverson listed SLAM as his favorite magazine. And yet when we came calling each year for a cover shoot and interview, nailing down time with AI was like nailing an ice cube to a wall. If we were his favorite magazine, I’d hate to see how he treated those he didn’t like. While most of our cover shoots and interviews run at least an hour or so, AI always demanded we make it happen in the shortest amount of time possible. He was always willing to give us time, but he guarded his free time like he guarded passing lanes on the perimeter. We did our best to simplify.

Incidentally, I believe AI still holds the record for the fastest SLAM cover shoot of all-time for the cover of SLAM 55. The only way AI would do a photo shoot was if we could make it happen at the last minute. So one evening at a Sixers game, we set up a backdrop under the First Union center in the hallway that connected the Sixers’ locker room to the court. As the Sixers all ran out to the court for the introductions and lay-up lines, AI stopped, posed for pics for about 4 minutes, then ran out and joined his teammates. That cover shot was about as real as it gets.

I’ve always wondered if AI liked SLAM because we got him. When Iverson crossed over Jordan, most of the media misinterpreted the moment. ait50To many, that crossover was emblematic of a new school of playground-bred hoops crossing over into the NBA. Long shorts, tats, braids, passes off the backboard…they were in the game to stay. One could even argue that the mainstreaming (and ESPN-ing) of the entire Streetball movement of the late ’90s/early ‘00s could be traced to that move AI broke off on MJ.

But to me, and I think to SLAM, that dribble was more about soul. Here was this shrimp of a rookie with the guts to go one-on-one against the greatest player to ever play basketball. And beating him. That, that David slaying Goliath moment, that was what should have mattered most from that play.

The past few years, just from our dealings with him, AI seems to have mellowed a little bit. When we shot him last season for the cover, he gave us hours instead of minutes. It was almost as though he recognized that his time in the spotlight was winding down, that there may not be many more cover shoots in his future. Perhaps it’s a stretch to posit that Iverson is evolving as a person based on a couple of photo shoot interactions, but really, that’s all I’ve got to go on.

It is much easier to evaluate Iverson as a basketball player. And as a basketball player, Allen Iverson has yet to evolve. He still drives to the basket (averaged as many FTA per game in ’07-08 as he did in ’98-99), but he also still needs the ball in his hands to be successful. While Iverson was tremendous as the hub the Sixers revolved around, teaming him with Carmelo in Denver never quite worked; at least, it didn’t work well enough to get Denver a title.

It’s obvious that he’s still at his best when he’s the center of attention on offense. I think it’s safe to say that most casual NBA fans would regard Iverson’s campaign in Detroit last year as a failure. But look a little closer at the digits: Iverson tried to fit in, tried to be a part of whatever the heck it was Michael Curry was selling. Yet as long as AI and Rip Hamilton attempted to coexist on the perimeter, the Pistons kept losing games. Then, Hamilton was out injured last season between Dec. 26 and Jan. 13. The Pistons played 8 games over that stretch. During that time, Allen Iverson averaged nearly 40 minutes a game and scored 17.6 ppg. More importantly, the Pistons went 6-2.

Rip returned on January 13, went back into the starting line-up, and the Pistons promptly lost 4 of their next 5. Around the All-Star break, the Pistons went into a brutal 3-14 tailspin. Instead of giving in, Iverson seemed to choose giving up, missing most of the second half of the season with a vague back injury. It was almost as if after all those years of warring with his coaches and the establishment, he was tired of fighting the fight.

I hope he doesn’t go out like that. As of today we still don’t know where Allen Iverson will end up next season. The two most likely contenders to sign him seem to be Memphis and the BETcats. I’m not sure I’m ready to see AI swallow the ignominy toiling in the basement again. I still think New York would be the perfect place for him to play this season. Get his swag back, score some points, win over the Gotham crowd. The Knicks refuse to look beyond 2010, and AI’s probably not looking much further at this point, either. But a D’Antoni/Iverson union in the greatest city in the world could be something to behold.

Now, to Allen Iverson clocking in here at number 50. Do I believe Allen Iverson is the 50th best basketball player in the NBA? No.

But is he the 50th best NBA basketball player? That is, are there 49 people who are better than AI at playing the type of basketball that NBA teams value right now? Well, maybe so.

But then, what do we know anyway?

After all, we never really understood Allen Iverson to begin with.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • chingy

    Young C, don’t forget Drew Gooden’s facial hair…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tim Hardaway and Allen Iverson did not have the same crossover.
    Nobody had Allen Iverson’s crossover in the league before he got there.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    This is my last comment.
    I think that if the list is based on projections, than it’s really impossible to argue. Slam is claiming to be able to predict the future. Since I don’t have that ability, I can’t really argue with the writers.
    If the list is based on recent performance, than I can’t see Iverson at 50. One bad year, in a new system asked to play a new role, and he drops from top 20 to number 50? Just doesn’t make sense.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    AllenP, more like nobody had Tim’s cross. To date who has a beter cross. Not very many people have the same level of cross over he had.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    James

    Isiah Thomas had a better crossover than Tim Hardaway.
    I think Iverson’s crossover, despite being borderline illegal, was a better crossover than Tim’s.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    James
    I’ve made this argument before, nobody was doing a leaning crossover before Iverson introduced it to the world.
    Tim had a right to left cross between the legs, with a quick crossover from left to right immediately after. That was it. It was beautiful. But, it wasn’t new. Isiah had been doing that for years.
    Iverson introduced a leaning, long, left to right crossover that nobody was doing at the time. Yet, since about 98 or 99, every credible wing player in the league has incorporated that move into their games.
    That’s a game changer right there.
    But, that has nothing to do with this ranking, just a point of clarification.

  • onlyclipfanonslam

    AllenP, it isn’t the same crossover yes, but a high crossover it was. Tim had people on skates before rollerblades became popular in the early 90′s. Tim’s game was pretty “playground” before AI was even out of HS.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    No one is claiming to know the future. If that were the case crystal balls wouldve been used instead of ballots. Theyre opinions, not statements of fact.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Isiah had been doing it yes, but Tim pefected it. Tim to me is the cross over god. He took the crossover, plain and simple, and used it as a weapon. A deadly one at that. Iverson’s crossover was unique, but if I had to resemble a cross over for my own game it would be Tim’s. I got what your saying though … I am not talking about ranking either here. As far as crossovers go, in my opinion Tim has the best their is!! Or was.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Not only am I co signing onliclip fan for that comment, but also the one up above it at 12:22. A little late on the co-sign though.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Weird how thing’s work though. We are talking about Iverson back in the day. Like Iverson isn’t relevant anymore. How much do we all wish that this was the year when Kobe was becoming great, along with Tmac. Iverson was going for 30 a night. Sabonis, and Vlade were the bigs in the West other then Shaq. Mark madison Ave was on the lake show and won championships. MJ was still young enough to ball, and he still could today but hey. Pippen was lacing up. David Robinson was jacked wearing a 10 year olds jersey. Sh!t … time flies!!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Rankings are based solely on projected ‘09-10 performance.

    Projection and prediction are synonymous. SLAM is collectively saying “Based on what we believe will happen next year, here are the 50 best players in the league.”
    Now, my first question would be how is SLAM predicting what is going to happen next year? How can you predict a player’s future performance without considering their past performance? And if you’re considering past performance, why go to such lengths to point out that past performances and awards don’t matter?
    It’s a weird situation in my opinion, and really, since I don’t truly understand how the decisions were made, it doesn’t make much sense for me to argue about Iverson.
    Everybody who comments here regulary knows how I feel about the man. His flaws, his strengths and his talent. If the SLAM collective believes that Iverson’s time as a top 25 player in the NBA is over, then that’s what SLAM believes. It is what it is.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    That probably also comes out of the picture used for this piece, AI rookie style. Count em, one upper body tattoo, even before the airbrushing?
    Granted the Topps/Trading card guys admitted they airbrushed out MJ’s tongue to prevent kids from losing theirs. Sorta makes sense? Everyone did it anyway on the court, don’t even try it anyway without some semblance of game. Tattoo removal was more, senseless pre-damage control, years before front row kids can wear conrow and afro headband hats during games(only?! who knows once they go home).

  • byron

    wuouldnt a jordan and iverson cover and article/ interview be amazing even?

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    Allenp:The new role, new system arguement isn’t vaild. Ray Allen went from being the number one option on his team offensively for a decade to being the number three and the results hung a banner. The difference is that Ray openly accepted the role he was given and AI didn’t. I don’t think there has been a huge drop off Ivey’s ability between last season and this year, but I think the way Lang ended the write up sums it up perfectly.

  • byron

    SLAM PLEASE MAKE IT HAPPEN. OR HAS THE IDEA ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT TO YOU GUYS ALREADY?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    It seems a bit intellectually dishonest to pull a quote to serve your own purposes especially since youve already acknowledged that its difficult to put a player on the list of the NBAs top 50 players who is not even in the NBA. As far as projections, isnt there an issue dedicated to such every year? Team previews? Most likely tos? Theyre all based on pure specualtion, but that never seems to be a problem. I dont see how this is any different.

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  • tavoris

    I think Derrick Rose’s crossover AT FULL SPEED (Kinda like Kidd used to do in his younger years) is freaking beautiful.

  • izzo

    To be fair to the Top 50, around 95% of basketball opinion pieces and basketball commentary is people thinking they can predict the future. Around 97% of basketball discussion is comprised of people thinking they can predict the future better than those they are discussing with. The remaining 5 and 3% is re-interpreting the past.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the balla

    Actually Myles. We all know Kobe and the Lakers are going to win. it’s just the other teams that we have to predict!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Point for Izzo.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles
    It’s not intellectually dishonest to point out what has been repeated multiple times. Ryne stated clearly this list does include past awards, and was created based on a reasonable expectation of what a given player would do next year.
    So, SLAM is making a prediction. Which means it’s predicting the future. Whether SLAM does that all the time or not is immaterial since that’s what’s happening now.
    If Ryne or anybody else had said “Based on what these players did the past five years, here’s what we think they will do next year” that would be something different. Instead, he made it clear that past awards, and I assume past performances, are not important.
    So I’m left with a problem.
    I think that if you consider the past five years of Iverson’s career, or the past three or even last year, there is no way he can legitimately be the 50th best player in the NBA. (The issue of his contract doesn’t bother me because I seriously doubt he will be without a team come October.) I don’t see how someone could assess his skill set, even with its flaws, and say “that’s the 50th best player in the League.”
    As I read the end of Lang’s piece he made a point to say Iverson’s skills do not make him the 50th best player in the league. Instead he said that the perception of the value of Iverson’s skill set puts him in that spot.
    So we’re arguing a mixture of prediction and perception. Not actual skill set, or past performance. Seems difficult to make a case for the man if the criteria is prediction and perception.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    should read that Ryne said the list DOES NOT include past awards…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    I understand your problem with that, seeing that its difficult to envision what a player might do in the future without taking his past into consideration. I cant speak for Ryne or anyone else who cast a ballot, but Id like to think they have taken the past into account somewhat. Perhaps he was just trying to distinguish that this is about the upcoming season and this list is not a summation of a players entire career. I dont know, but thats how I voted. Taking the past into consideration, some dudes dropped and some Rose.

  • http://youtube.com/pyrobooby tealish

    50. Fair enough given the last couple lines of this piece. This is the current perception and that’s all there is to go by. It’s up to Ivy to prove how silly this summer was.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    OH MY F*CKING GOD IF GILBERT ARENAS IS ABOVE ALLEN IVERSON ON THIS LIST I’M GOING TO FLIP SH*T PEOPLE ARGJKLFjdlkfjldsfskjfsFJDSf

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I hope that’s a joke Jukai.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Allen: Yep.

  • Orlando Woolridge

    Some people mention his time in Denver (or Detroit for that matter) as a way to point out that AI isn’t all that good, as the team did better without him. To me, that’s more a testament to just how good and under-rated Billups really is.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    I should be careful with that joke. I was having a serious conversation with Russ one day, then broke that joke out, and he flipped out and left.
    It brings up a lot of scars.

  • http://www.hoopsvibe.com/christopher_sells-authorHV106.html chiqo

    without taking the time to read all 130 of the comments, has anyone bothered mentioning that we don’t know that iverson will be in the league next year?

  • izzo

    What are the chances that Chiqo HAS actually read the comments? I say high.

  • http://nationofmillions.ca ciolkstar

    If Iverson agrees to come off the bench somewhere I think he could have a really good season. He could come in with the second unit and play his game for 20-25 minutes a night, maybe 30 if the chemistry is good and they’re able to defend well enough to keep him in during the fourth. He’d be more effective and efficient in a limited time role with a second team (which is basically what the Sixers were). Plus, I really can’t think of an NBA team that would want to have him step in and be their number one option, or one starting lineup that he could step right into without displacing a more conventional, and probably more productive two guard. He’s also slowing down. Like it or not. I mean, the AI that crossed Jordan is no more. He’s still got the ability to be a legit scorer, but he can’t be the centerpiece. If his ego can handle a secondary role he’ll be more successful and more appreciated. To me an AI who’s willing to fill a role as instant offense off the bench (especially for a contender) is A LOT more valuable than one who needs to play 40 minutes and dominate the ball.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Not sure where to send this, but this is a fascinating story:
    http://deadspin.com/5345287/the-confessions-of-an-nba-scorekeeper?skyline=true&s=x

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    Wow!. I had a feeling this would happened but I do understand why. To the world all we read are negative articles about Allen Iverson. All the blame for last season is on Allen Iverson. Not Rip, not Curry, Not Dumars. But because A.I. has a bad rep and started tattos,cornrows,rapping in the nba and preety much just changing the culture of the nba to something the older people don’t like he has always been the bad guy. For his whole career he has been making the NBA get used to him and then the NBA had to get used to him because he was statistacly the best player in the last decade. But than last year he got put into a system where he was not going to excel where had to take 14 SHOTS!. His usage rate was as low as ever. The Pistons used Rip more in their offence over the great Allen Iverson. Iverson was touching the ball once every 2 minutes. Whens the last time you saw one of the greatest scorers do those things? Iverson did try sacraficing but nobody sacraficed for him. My point is every great that has got used to dominating games does not want to stop after averaging 26.4 ppg, 7.1 apg on 46% shooting from the field just the season before. It sounds stupid to even ask that person to stop doing that. But not once did Curry or Rip or Stuckey probably ever say Hey you are a hall of famer and one of the greatest ever and its not like you are 38 here take the ball and do what you do best. You can’t fall off that fast from being the second best shooting guard in the league one year to being number 50 on this list. Something has to go wrong that does not involve baskteball skill. It is damn near impossible to fall off like that. But it did happen when A.I. was asked to take a role no legend will ever take. Ai sacraficed just watch game tapes and read stats don’t listen to people that already hate the man for different reasons. A.I. is still a top 10 talent in this league but he just got a horrible situation to showcase that talent. But he is still top 25 ever and Next season he will probably be a Grizzlie or Bobcat and if used properly people are going to laugh at this article.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Ciolkstar: You do know Iverson can be a secndary option and NOT come off the bench. A lot of players do that. Actually, four starters on every team do that.

  • HangTime Hec

    Why couldn’t you just base the 50 greatest players on last years performances? OR would that make to much sense?

  • tavoris

    ciolkstar There’s Charlotte, New York, Toronto, Chicago, Dallas, Indiana, Minnesota, New Jersey, OKC, and Washington.

  • http://fdjsklf.com Jukai

    Pardeep: You… you just gotta stop posting man.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Well. I disagree.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    Jukai: I have been over this many times I post maybe what 5 times a day? You on the other hand live on this site get a life man you’re the one posting BS every 5 minutes on every post. My points are all corret deal with it.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Me personally, would take A.I. over probably 25 of the other guys the SLAM guys are going to list, regardless of his current lack of team, so I’m alright with this silly placement to start the list off to get decent comment traffic.

  • tavoris

    I think people need to put this list in perspective. Is AI much higher in the list of best players PERIOD? Of course. Should AI-in whatever role he has in next season-be ranked right where he is? Yes. And that’s saying alot coming from me.

  • http://lastknickstanding.blogspot.com Bryan

    Co sign eboy.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Balla-holic

    Co sign Pardeep 10 times. Dude knows whats up with A.I.’s situation.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Tavoris
    I would advise you to hold off on that statement until you see the rest of the list.

  • Tyquan

    Is this what it all boils down too Allen I having to go to Memphis to “salvage” or “make a comeback”. Listen, for what its worth I’m usually accurate with this sort of stuff and like I said the other day he should go to Miami because Pat Riley wants him as well as helping to take some pressure of D Wade. Since everyone agreed that Miami Heat of last season was indeed “Da DWade Show”. Beasley could have shown more and Chalmers did what he could as a second round pick who by default turned into their point guard of the future. All in all I would like to see AI in Miami because Memphis is in the West and they won’t even finish third in a five team division with or without Allen Iverson.

  • Tyquan

    Has it really come to this; Allen I having to go to Memphis to “salvage” or “make a comeback”. Listen, for what its worth I’m usually accurate with this sort of stuff and like I said the other day he should go to Miami because Pat Riley wants him as well as helping to take some pressure of D Wade. Since everyone agreed that Miami Heat of last season was indeed “Da DWade Show”. Beasley could have shown more and Chalmers did what he could as a second round pick who by default turned into their point guard of the future. All in all I would like to see AI in Miami because Memphis is in the West and they won’t even finish third in a five team division with or without Allen Iverson.

  • chingy

    Imagine AI playing Jet Terry’s role…except he’d be better at it

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