Friday, October 2nd, 2009 at 8:00 am  |  100 responses

Top 50: Joe Johnson, no. 20

The definitive ranking of the NBA’s best players.

by Lang Whitaker

It’s impossible for a Hawks fan to understate the importance of Joe Johnson. Simply: Dude IS the Hawks. Josh Smith is nice, Marvin Williams and Al Horford have improved, Bibby can still knock down jumpers, but everything revolves around Joe Johnson. Even the franchise. EsJoe Johnsonpecially the Franchise.

Don’t forget, it was just four years ago that then-Hawks GM Billy Knight, with free agent dough burning a hole in his pockets, decided to splash his cash on JJ, a restricted free agent with the Suns. BK was so determined not to miss out on Joe that he was willing to work a sign-and-trade with Phoenix, giving them a couple of first-rounders and Boris Diaw. This made one of the owners so angry that he ended up suing all the rest of the owners (and giving us one of the greatest photos of all-time). This mess dragged on for four years, until recently a judge ruled in favor of the remaining Hawks owners.

That entire time, while Judge Wapner tried to figure out a ruling, we had Joe Johnson, who has proven himself over and over again as being completely worth the trouble. Without Joe, the Hawks aren’t the fourth-best team in the Eastern Conference. Simple.

It’s hard to remember, but at the time, signing Joe to a huge contract was considered a questionable move by the Hawks. Joe was coming off a nice season in Phoenix, but the Suns didn’t want to pay him, and most people thought Joe was largely a product of the Suns’ system. As Josh Smith once told me: “I didn’t know how good Joe was until he came on the team. Then I was like, I don’t care what nobody says, this dude is worth whatever money they paid him.”

Joe’s stats as a Hawk are tremendous: He’s played 82, 82 and 79 games over the last four years. He was sixth, second, second and third in the NBA in minutes. He has totaled more points and more assists than any other player on the Hawks each of the last four seasons. He’s averaged at least 20 points per game every season as a Hawk. The last three seasons, the coaches in the Eastern Conference have selected Joe Johnson as an All-Star.

The first play of every game, the Hawks run a pin-down for Joe. Like clockwork. At the end of every game, the ball is always in Joe’s hands. He’s rarely flashy, just steady. He’ll cross you over, pull up and drain the J. Whenever the ball leaves his hands to go to a teammate, it’s a little unsettling.

Is Joe Johnson the 20th best player in the NBA? At least. He’s the best player on one of the 8 best teams in the NBA. Without Joe Johnson, the Hawks aren’t what they are right now. For better and for worse. It is what it is.

Some of you may disagree. But I’ll disagree with you. And I’m right.

After Joe’s first season in Atlanta, I asked Mike Woodson about JJ. “He’s been blessed,” Woodson said. “Surely you have to give him credit because he works on his game — this guy is a gym rat — but he’s been blessed. Hell, I was a player in the League; all I could do was score the ball. If I could rebound, defend and do all the things he does? At 6-7? Well, it’s beautiful to watch.”

I know, Coach. I know.

Notes
• Rankings are based solely on projected ’09-10 performance.
• Contributors to this list include: Jake Appleman, Brett Ballantini, Russ Bengtson, Toney Blare, Shannon Booher, Myles Brown, Franklyn Calle, Gregory Dole, Emry DowningHall, Jonathan Evans, Adam Fleischer, Jeff Fox, Sherman Johnson, Aaron Kaplowitz, John Krolik, Holly MacKenzie, Ryne Nelson, Chris O’Leary, Ben Osborne, Alan Paul, Susan Price, Sam Rubenstein, Khalid Salaam, Kye Stephenson, Adam Sweeney, Vincent Thomas, Tzvi Twersky, Justin Walsh, Joey Whelan, Eric Woodyard, and Nima Zarrabi.
• Want more of the SLAMonline Top 50? Check out the archive.

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  • andre

    one of the FIRST!

  • K.a.

    first! JJ is nice but I’ll take me a pachulia jersey.

  • K.a.

    dammit. Shoulda just typed first.

  • andre

    Hey, lucky me.
    “some of you may disagree. But I’ll disagree with you. And I’m right.” Do you mind if I steal this? Its beautiful. And a nice article on JJ. Whats the story with that photo? Some of us (still) don’t follow the Hawks…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    Joe Jo-Knows, free agency is coming.
    Which is the last topic of the Sekou Smith Hawks blog for all your ATL basketball news.

  • http://hoopmixtape.ning.com/ Simon S.Y Lawy

    He’s the best player on one of the 8 best teams in the NBA ??? Hawks …

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    Lang dropped a youtube in the top 50, nobody else got one of those, right? Next year we’ll need a youtube of DRose vs Nash or something, in the vein of DRose vs Andre Miller to put out the fire of that argument before it happens.

  • http://hoopmixtape.ning.com/ Simon S.Y Lawy

    Top 3 SG …

  • arthur

    Too low

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    Powe stepping on the Jordan XXIII PE of Joe in the clip wasn’t as bad as Andre Miller’s legs refusing to work anymore after DRose did him dirty.

  • jcoll

    JJ should be higher.
    I’m thinking around 12. Maybe not top 10 yet

  • Ken

    I’m comfortable with JJ around #20. But I really hope this means D.Rose didn’t make the list. Rose is gonna be nice, but certainly not top 20 in the league next year.

  • rog123

    Enough about rose already. Come on now, his name has not even appeared on the list yet that’s all some people wanna talk about.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Lang Whitaker

    If Derrick Rose is better than Joe Johnson, then I am, too.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    So smooth with his game. Slick Rick of the NBA. play wit it.

  • mumadone

    ”He’s played 82, 82 and 79 games over the last four years.”…..so…..he sat out one year?

  • Michael

    these guys love to pick and choose their criteria…if we accept the extremely loose argument that the hawks were one of the best 8 teams last year, how does that translate into this ranking given that these are based on upcoming projections??? JJ is a decent player, maybe somehwere between 20 – 30 is a good spot but i dont buy the best player on of the best 8 teams argument

  • Dagomar

    Rose did not make the top 50, which is about right as he’s coming off his rookie season. JJ’s placement is about right, maybe a little low.

  • Hussman25

    Silky describes his game… so smooth! 20 is acceptable, could be a lil higher, but well see as the list unfolds…

  • minikidd

    So you guys think SLAM included OJ Mayo, but not the R.O.Y.? hmmm, naah I don’t think so…

  • tavoris

    Dagomar, Rose is definitely on the list…and when he appears, Apocalypse will begin. Back to Joe…good spot.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I can’t believe you told all the other teams the Hawks first play of every game!!!!! Darn you Lang! Funny enough that’s also the play they run every three trips up the court.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Blinguo

    That note about coming off the rookie season just reminded me Brandon Roy was in the Rookie Vs Sophomores game and the Sunday All Star game the same year, bumping off Deron/Baron (Roy All Star again last year, Deron not). And if anyone is going to do that again, next season -that unnamed Rookie of the Year- would be the one to do it. And now I’m done talking about Rose.

  • neaorin

    Dear SLAM crew,

    In retrospect, giving Russ the admin password to the site so he can move things around might not have been the best thing to do. PS: I hate Derrick Rose right now, I don’t care how good he is.

  • neaorin

    And JJ got robbed. He should be top 15.

  • Hussman25

    This list is becoming a little unpredictable??? OJ in the top 20? Probably… but deserved? Up for debate…

  • Furious

    How high is Derrick Rose going to be! This is getting ridiculous

  • Hussman25

    The top 20 should now be including mostly all-stars, so anyone who is not an all-star and gets in the top 20 from this point on is “suspect”…

  • josh

    Simon S.Y Lawy Posted: Oct.2 at 8:21 am
    Top 3 SG …

    …………….

    Nope, he is top 4-5. Kobe, Dwade, Roy, JJ, Manu

    Roy is better than jj, by quite a bit.

  • andre

    Is Rose better than Joe? Probably not (yet). Will Rose have a bigger influence on his team and the league this season? Definately. Without Gordon, Rose can te the ball and distribute, will have gaudy numbers, and will likely be an allstar. JJ is sick (and slick), but plays on a loaded team with plenty of firepower. He goes down, Atlanta will be alright. Not (cough) top eight, but alright. No Rose in Chicago means no hope in Chicago…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Lang Whitaker

    Derrick Rose is going to be a top 20 player…in 2-3 years.

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi Twersky

    Why the hell did the Celtics trade him during his rookie season? That one still hurts.

  • Orlando Woolridge

    Its starting to piss me off that people need to mention Rose after every one of these posts. I’m a huge Bulls fan and I love Rose, but damn, I’m going to have to stop reading the comments if I want to sustain that love. Joe Johnson is just sick and I think you’d have to be missing something to rank Rose ahead of him at this point no matter what the criteria are.

  • tavoris

    Tzvi, it was because he wasn’t gonna EVER get any minutes playing behind Pierce.

  • http://hoopmixtape.ning.com/ Simon S.Y Lawy

    Lang just said, in 2-3 years …
    so, no D-Rose …

  • Furious

    After reading 270 comments on the Nash post about Rose vs Nash, I would be SO happy if Rose doesnt even make it.

  • josh

    rose = overrated

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’ve joined the Derrick Rose might be a bit too high bandwagaon. Just saying. Rose is coming up within the next few picks, I promise.

  • http://slamonline.com/ niQ

    I don’t know if everyone realizes but, JJ is not goign to sign an extension with the Hawks. (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=rotowire-oeohnsonntersontract&prov=rotowire&type=fantasy) So, your claim that JJ IS THE HAWKS might not be valid next year..

  • The D Train

    I believe Russ has said that Rose will be on the list. If based on last years performance, you couldn’t include Agent Zero, B-Diddy or Iverson over him (amongst others). If you base it on what’s to come this year, you can’t have dudes like Rashard Lewis, Josh Howard or Ben Gordon on there without Rose. I LOVE Derrick Rose. I don’t know that he’s a top 20 guy yet, but at the same time he’s got to be in the top 3-4 PGs in the game, right? And isn’t being the floor general a pretty important spot? That being said, maybe Slam should xnay posts with the words “Derrick” or “Rose” in them until he does arrive on the list. That way he’s not hijacking every single ranking…cats like JJ need some love too.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I’m a Joe fan. Top five shooting guard in the league.

  • burnt_chicken

    as Lang is my favourite SLAM writer, non-Bengston division, I cringe at pointing out that perhaps no atlanta hawks fan can OVERstate the importance of JJ.

    In fact, a Hawks fan can UNDERstate his importance.
    Example: “JJ? Meh. He’s no Marv.”

    ugh. i feel like the nerdiest stoolrat now…

  • Sparker

    what i love about joe is his personality

  • http://slamonline.com Brad Long

    I don’t understand Lang saying 2-3 years on Rose. Rose is a legit Top 5 pg in the league right now…possibly top 3. He’s on the list people, just accept it.

  • T Money

    @andre: Please read what you just wrote and then tell me if it makes sense.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Brad, everybody for SLAM cast votes. Obviously Lang didn’t include Rose in his top 20. But more than enough folks did. I wonder where Russ ranked him.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    This is getting comical. Derrick Rose ahead of Joe Johnson. I half-expect Iverson to reappear at 19.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ B. Long: Ummm Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Chauncey Billups, Steve Nash, Jameer Nelson, Gilbert Arenas (well, he’s combo but plays 1), and Rajon Rondo (you could definitely argue). Even Aaron Brooks gives Rose a run for his money. So no, Rose is not top 5 just yet.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    But he definitely will be, that’s no question.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Klav

    I’m in. Just caught up with the post from yesterday…WOW. I guess everybody figured out what I said about kobesbestfriend last week. And uhhh, the Reggie thing on a Danny Granger post, I found it suspect that there were 160+ comments on Danny G.

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