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Monday, May 2nd, 2011 at 11:24 am  |  244 responses

NBAers React to Osama’s Death

Players take to Twitter to air out their diverse emotions.

As everyone knows by now, last night President Obama announced that Osama Bin Laden was located and killed. While some people took the streets to celebrate and others slept through the late-breaking news, many took to Twitter to air out their thoughts on the matter—including more than a handful of NBA players. As you’d expect, their reactions ranged the whole gamut—from conspiracy talk to congragulatory praise. Here are some of tweets that caught our eye.

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  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    the news shook me when i first heard, i felt angry and relieved at the same time.
    and haha wow LO. i hope the answer was nobody.

  • http://theghostofroyhobbs.blogspot.com Mo Charlo

    Come on, Lamar.

  • Robert

    As expected Lebron will continue to suck up to Obama.

  • TheBarberShop

    Lamar Odom taking an L there.

  • wssss

    lmao lamar wth

  • slamfan4life

    Ish was crazyyyy; not gonna lie, i slept easy yesterday! lol

  • Lol

    wow people are retarded. hez been dead for a long time now. they just din’t have any new maerial to put out so they said this because most people don’t care about him. lol

  • MLK4Life

    Who gives a you know what about Lamar and Khloe? Reality shows are the most pointless tv shows in existence.

  • lockon

    lamar odom really surprised me LOL

  • rikson

    He is just a figure in peoples heads, at least the important part of osama. And that part will live on!

  • HAMMER

    I still have my doubts. 1st is he even dead and 2nd, if he is dead, for how long he has actually been dead. As much as i luv the U.S., its hard for me to believe alot of what our govt. says to us. It is corrupt and has lied to us so many times

  • http://itsahardwoodlife.blogspot.com omphalos

    Haha Bogut, we Australians are so chilled about politics. Glad Osama is dead though.

  • HAMMER

    Besides, its not like this is gonna stop or deter terrorists. I mean, look @ how fu¢ked up the world is. Need not look furher than what is happenning south of the border and the drug cartels. And im pretty sure Osama doesnt have a hand, or even his pinky finger, n THAT mess

  • toinefan88

    God I hate that show and I have/will never see it lol.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    This is the prelude to the next “global threat”.
    I’ll put it like this;
    Shout out to Ronald Reagan…

  • http://slamonline.com Acclaimed

    WTF is up with the conspiracy theories not only here on Slam, but on twitter. Just crazy.

  • HAMMER

    ^ Its called not being naive and not believing everything u hear

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The timing was peculiar, not saying I don’t believe it or anything, but the timing couldn’t have been better for Obama

  • 1982

    Lamar for the wi… nevermind.

  • Sam

    Gotta love Lamar Scrotum, aka Candy Man, aka Mr. Kardashian LOL

  • http://counterkicks.com Quinned

    CDR speaking the truth

  • treetrunks

    hey Hammer, don’t get it confused: lovin your country don’t mean u should trust the gov’t..

  • http://slamonline.com Saviour

    Proof of STFU I say.

  • http://slamonline.com Saviour

    *or….would help if I didn’t spell like a r*tard.

  • HAMMER

    ^ That’s not the point I was trying to get @. I don’t get the two confused. I meant that as much as I luv the U.S., I hate to say anything negative bout it

  • Marvin

    was L.O. trying 2 b funny? that was 1 of the worst, unfunny tweets i’ve ever seen. we’re all focused & excited about the death of the most vile human being, & all he cares about r who r his viewers 4 his dumb show? damn, theres just another reason y i cant stand any of the Kardashian shows

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    My feelings on this might be too strong for me to speak on them on here, so I’ll just keep it short.
    CDR is a f*ckin’ idiot for saying it took us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives lost to catch “one guy”.
    Jason Richardson is a f*ckin’ idiot for asking if the troops can come home now.
    These dudes don’t get it, killing Bin Laden was HUGE, but by no means was it the goal, nor the only reason the troops are overseas or that we’re still at war.
    People need to understand this is a war on terrorism, which I’ll admit is waaaay too open-ended and will probably never be won by either side, but as long as the CIC wants it that way, the goal is still the destruction of Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations across the globe.
    And I’ll never understand these people that don’t want the troops to go anywhere near a war zone.
    Why the f*ck do y’all think we have a military for?
    And the funniest part of CDR’s little rant was after the backlash he got, he had to go and say he was just using his freedom of speech.
    So you wanna blast the government for sending the troops to war, but you still wanna enjoy the freedoms that were won by troops giving their blood, sweat and tears in war?
    Talk about wanting to have your cake and eat it too…
    Anyways, y’all feel free to disagree with me though.
    And I am glad that at least CDR is exercising his rights, cause like Voltaire said, “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.”

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Oh, and some of y’all on here might already know how I previously felt about Obama.
    I’m glad to say I was deeply wrong about him, he has my upmost respect now, and in short, that dude is Unf★ckwitable™.

  • http://dodgers.com Joey E.

    i dont think it’s LO trying to be funny, I think it was SLAM pulling up an Odom tweet around the time the news was breaking. coincidental, but funny Slam

  • feez22

    LO gtfo seriously.

  • @Deknowz

    Lamar is honest, he doesn’t care and wants to make tons of money. He’s 95% of the American population. Not to cover for Osama, but he’s not a dumb guy,im pretty sure they had the “who runs things when im dead” conversation. Let’s hope some peace can be had soon. Too much murder going on around the globe.

  • Yann Blavec

    My thoughts go to the 9/11 victims and to the sharks eating osama.

  • LeBron de Con

    I blame George W. Bush. Whatever happened to “courage restraint” medals from Obama?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I’m not mad at Lamar. Some people really don’t like discussing politics and stuff. And that’s cool.

  • http://snakeskinroundball.tumblr.com/ Myles Brown

    Last night’s episode of Khloe & Lamar ended at 10:30PM EST, the same time that the President’s speech was slated to begin. Of course, the speech didn’t begin until well over an hour after the slated time slot. So basically, Lamar didn’t need to GTFO, he didn’t take an L and there’s nothing worth LOL’ing about. You just need to think before you open your f*cking mouths….

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    ^^

  • Yann Blavec

    I’m sorry if I wrote something wrong.

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    what did slam think the response from the reader’s would be when it posted up lamar’s tweet with the rest of these??
    we ain’t tryin to figure out when the show was in comparison to obama’s speech.
    slam shouldn’t have lumped it in with the rest of those tweets.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Blame it on whoever posted that tweet on here, not those who don’t care enough to know when that f*ckin show is on.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Freedom of speech does not protect your right to be criticized for your speech. It protects your right not to have your speech censored by the government, or to face fines for MOST speech. Not even all speech.
    CDR brought up an interesting point if, as Enigmatic noted, it was accurate. This wasn’t about one person, it was about a war just as open-ended as the war on drugs. But, I’m still glad Obama is the cat who was president when this happened. But that’s just how I roll.

  • treetrunks

    enigmatic, they’re not fighting for freedom – how does that even makes sense? People in the middle east aren’t oppressing you; this is imperlialism, wars are always about power; the victors write history

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com/ airs

    oh boy…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    First positive Barry has had on his tenure?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Again, this isn’t a war against “people in the middle east”, this is a war on terrorism.
    And the extremist Islamists don’t want to oppress us, they want to completely annihilate us.
    So yes, in a way the troops are fighting for our freedom.
    Our freedom to live.
    Don’t forget, these terrorist organizations have been searching for a means to acquire nuclear weapons to completely wipe us off the map.
    I suppose we should just allow that to happen?
    As far as this being imperialism, I can’t pretend to know if there’s some hidden agenda behind this all as far as the top of the government’s involvement, but at the very bottom, the boots on the ground our fighting to maintain our way of life.

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    I personally don’t know how to feel about this all. Osama is one man, one man who endorsed the beliefs that are, to put it crassly, splintered in factions over what just so happens to be a fifth of the world. But whatever I feel doesn’t even matter; what does matter is what those who were personally affected by the loss of family and loved ones feel and like Joe Smith mentioned, if this brings them some closure in their own personal lives it was all worth it

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    also….Enig just salty ’cause his boys weren’t the ones getting the credit for this. SEALS pull off this sh*t on the regular, don’t they, Enig? That’s what they’re trained for right? I know there’s a healthy rivalry between your two divisions but it’s all for the greater good in the end, right?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    *are
    And Eboy’s republican? Had no idea…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Nah, bro….I voted heartily for Barry…sh*t in my old office building the Dems had an Obamacentric office set up RIGHT NEXT DOOR and we had pins, bumper stickers and all kinds of paraphenalia we handed out in our office before the election. But to say that the dude has done anything worth a sh*t since 2009 is kind of trying to pull the wool over a blind sheep’s eyes. He inherited tons of sh*t but he ain’t fertilized much of it.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Not a salty bone in my body right now, E.
    I tip my hat off the the SEALS.
    I’ve always said them and Army Delta Force are the cream of the crop when it comes to USSOCOM OPS.
    But yeah, it woulda been hella tight if MARSOC had been tapped for this mission.
    Oh well, there’s still Ghaddafi!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Well, then I’m glad you’re glad then, ’cause all you gets deserve the credit….not some cat in a suit who agreed to execute a plan put together by a couple of dozen other cats.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    *all you cats deserve the credit

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Nah, like I said in another post, ultimately it was Obama’s decision.
    He coulda pulled a Jimmy Carter and waited, waited, waited until the opportunity was lost.
    But he gave the go-ahead.
    So I have mad respect for him for that.
    Now what the hell was up with Faux News last night?
    Have they lost their damn minds?

  • Yesse

    J-Rich is right.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Sigh…

  • http://slamonline.com The Black Rick Kamla

    earth moving???? for real?

  • doyouwantmore

    People act like Obama shot the guy himself. Where was all the celebration when Saddam got caught? A lot of the people I know aren’t even glad that the 9/11 victims got some justice, they’re just happy that this makes Obama look good after three years of golfing and reading a teleprompter.

  • doyouwantmore

    And if you disagree with me, you’re a racist.

  • treetrunks

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    If Clinton would have handled his business, this day would have passed long ago. Clinton had numerous opportunities.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    So, why didn’t Clinton do it?
    Why is Obama doing it now?

  • JD

    @doyouwantmore errmm what?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Votes?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Gangsta?

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    ^

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Fuc*ing with Trumps “Apprentice” rating?

  • treetrunks

    hey, terrorists are a very little threat to America or Europe: three attacks in the span of 3 years, but since 2004 nothing..a vast majority of victims of terrorism are from the middle east..if there were no resources over there, there might still be religious fanatics, but they wouldn’t be attacking the West, cause America and European countries wouldn’t be over there..simple..

  • treetrunks

    and the US and its allies wouldn’t spend billions to “liberate” the Iraki people in that scenario

  • JD

    i dont get the people who were celebrating outside the whitehouse, its like they think now that he’s dead al qaida and all terrorist threats will disappear when in reality it isnt that simple but as joe smith says at least it brings some feeling of closure and justice to all those who were involved in 9/11 and other attacks around the world and their famillies

  • JD

    @treetrunks london bombings 7th july 2005

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    my question is, are they ever or have they already, proven they actually got him? or are we to take the President at his word? — they are saying he is already buried at sea, which is odd, I would assume they would do a full Autopsy (if he was really killed yesterday then the autopsy cannot have been completed so quickly even in NCIS). And if they don’t release proof then a lot of people are not going to believe this even happened, and the conspiracies about whether or not Bin Laden even exists will run rampant, again.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I agree with JD 1000%.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Many of the people who were in the streets celebrating were young people. People who were in grade school when 9/11 happened.
    So, for all of these years, all that they have been hearing about is the horror and destruction that 9/11 caused. A sense of fear has been manufactured into their psyche. Now that bin Laden is reportedly dead, a sense of relief has come over many of the younger mass, and they have taken to the streets.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Clinton was another Jimmy Carter.
    Too shook to do anything military-related.
    That’s how I honestly thought Obama was gonna be.
    Republicans and Democrats, they both suck, but Dems always seemed to be really, REALLY sh*tty commanders in cheif.
    Obama is proving to be a bit of an exception though.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    A bit.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @nbk:
    They don’t want to infuriate the Arab/Muslim community be defiling his body, according to religious customs.
    They had to do something with the body within 24 hours.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Yeah, Philo, it looked like college kids. Were probably like 9 or 10 when 9/11 went down.
    Honestly, when I seen all those crazy white girls yelling in front of the White House like they were at MTV Spring Break, alls I kept thinking was “none of them better flash the tv cameras”…

  • JD

    well if he wasnt dead then the US government wouldnt run the huge risk of telling people someone who regularly broadcasts his messages on videos is dead unless something surfaces in the next month or so which is very unlikely he is dead the only conspiracy possible is that he was already dead the americans found this out and made up a operation to make them look good, either way he’s dead or they’ve got the wrong guy so not the governments fualt, and that is also highly unlikely

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Philosopher, they shot him in the head. You can’t do much worse to a body. And I doubt they care at all about anyone’s wishes with Osama Bin Laden.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Stupidity is prevalent among all age groups in our country.

  • tRay

    IMO his death ONLY brings closure for those who lost loved ones in the 9/11 attacks other than that it’s not that big. Just because one man is killed doesn’t mean that there won’t be retaliation. Get mad at me if ya want just stating my opinion.

  • treetrunks

    who cares if he’s dead or not? it don’t change anything; doesn’t change my life in anyways..or yours (unless you’re fightin or livin in afghanistan or irak or hav family there);

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Considering I joined the Marines because of the events of 9/11, and considering I have family currently in Afghanistan, yeah, I care.

  • treetrunks

    and i really do wonder if the families of those that died on 9/11 do feel relieved…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Osama Bin Laden definitely is not alive. One way or the other, that’s obvious. — but I don’t see any way they just took a small DNA sample (which would still be defiling the body), didn’t do an autopsy, have DNA proof its him, dumped the body at sea, and told the world, in under 24 hours.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    nbk:
    You know Obama’s a Muslim, right? He even admitted it to George Stephanopolous. (if I spelled it right)
    We still don’t have photos of the wound.
    It can be argued that someone does care about what happens to the body. Many things go on behind the scenes.
    @JD:
    Maybe they ran out of videos to post…

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    And, even still, during death proceedings, there is a protocol. No matter the nature of death.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Andrew Bogut was the funniest I think. and LOL at Lamar, wtf?

  • JD

    even if they did take dna it is unlikely they’d have him on any databases

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    This is tremendous for Obama’s re-election campaign… He did what the Republicans supposedly could not do.
    Also, if the guy was hiding out in Pakistan all this time, WHAT THE F*CK IS AMERICA STILL DOING IN IRAQ?!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    WHY WOULD THEY RESPECT OSAMA BIN LADEN, EVEN IN DEATH? that’s the question. And there is no way this is accepted by the public without proof, right now is like a state of nostalgia for a lot of people, sooner or later proof will be demanded. People went crazy about Obama’s birth certificate, you don’t think they will go nuts when it sets in that we got Osama, showed no proof, and dumped his body in the ocean while everyone was still celebrating? please. And I understand the protocols we would follow for a normal muslim death, but Osama was not among them, he was a mass murderer, of Muslims as much as anyone else if not more, there is no reason to respect anything he stood for.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    And Osama is not a queen bee, the hive doesn’t spiral out of control and die when he dies. That’s why we can’t leave just because one guy is dead.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    philo did you just say obama was a muslim…? yeah your word’s officially irrelevant.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    OEF and OIF are not related.
    OEF was the correct war, if one war can be correct.
    OIF was Bush’s mistake.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Enigmatic: Clinton ordered the bombing of Yugoslavia which killed around 500 people… I don’t know why ANYONE in their right mind would ask for a president to go even further than that… (with all due respect).

  • Riggs

    if Enigmatic is a navy seal then i think he’s my twin.

  • Riggs

    @nbk: most jihadist’s pledged allegiance to osama not the al quaeda, which is why this is a huge deal.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Philo’s reffering to an interview by George Stephanopolous when Obama was still a senator, and he said “I know John McCain has brought up my Muslim faith” or something like that.
    Stephanwhatever thought it was a slip of the toungue, as did many others, but Obama MEANT to say “Muslim faith”, in much the same way I would say “I know so and so has brought up my Buddhist faith” if someone were to accuse me of being Buddhist. Kind of like in a sarcastic overtone.
    But of course, the republicans took it and ran with it.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Riggs – nah, not a SEAL. Why you say that, though?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I understand why this is a big deal, its gonna become even more of a big deal if they don’t prove it happened Riggs. and that is my point

  • HAMMER

    Alot of questions. Very few concrete answers. When Saddam was captured and was bout to b hanged, @ least we saw his face. Wether it was actually him or not is another question. As for Bin Laden, we didn’t even get 2 c his mug. He was just dumped in the ocean. “Allegedly” (Jim Rome voice). Its all just very suspect

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    oh thanks for clarifying enig. can you adress teddy’s comment though? i was about to ask you the same thing.
    …also you guys do know there’s a picture of osama’s dead body on twitter right?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    regardless of Obama’s faith, I would be willing to bet they want to know everything they can about Osama, the life he was living, where he’s been, that sort of thing. AN autopsy can reveal a lot of that information just be examining the contents of his stomach — religion or not, if you have a chance to find out more information about Al Quaeda you take it. Its not like they had to admit they autopsied him, infact they don’t even really have to tell you when he died. Its peculiar this all happened in less then a day, with corresponding DNA evidence. Oh and they already got rid of the body (never to find it again) — when does that ever happen?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    that picture if its the one I saw Dat, is a fake that has been around since 1999 (yes, since before 9/11)

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    nbk:
    You know that bin Laden’s family owns the entire city of Mecca, right?
    You know that Bush Jr. worked for bin Laden’s father in Canada before he became governor of Texas, right?
    It is not out of the realm of reality to think that there may be at least “some” interest in what happens to the body, no?
    Maybe, even, to try and avoid a retaliatory response?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ nbk: It’s definitely fishy. Perhaps they wanted to silence Bin Laden–and fast–to prevent him from spilling the beans about his former involvements with the CIA, or about any other accomplices he may have had in orchestrating 9/11 (maybe the US is protecting former terrorists turned informants? Donno…).
    Or, maybe they didn’t want to p!ss Al Qaeda off too badly because, despite fighting them in the Middle East, those same Al Qaeda insurgents are now in Libya helping the West take out Ghadaffi… (not all rebels are Al Qaeda, obviously, but it’s a well-known fact that Al Qaeda h@te him more than the Brits or the French do).

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The Philosopher how much do you know about the Muslim Religion? Because by burying him in the sea they are immediately defiling his body. If they were following Islamic practices Osama would be buried in the earth, from which all man has come. Immediately this story contradicts itself, immediately.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    We’ll never know for sure what really happened.
    Also, am I the only one who initially thought Obama was gonna confirm the existence of aliens??

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Oh, just read Myles’ post. Thanks for updating us, although I don’t think my mouth was open when I was typing up my comment.
    Kinda mean for SLAM to post Lamar’s Tweet up there with the rest, even if it was a joke–very misleading.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Rules About Burial of the Dead Body

    620. * It is obligatory to bury a dead body in the ground, so deep that its smell does not come out and the beasts of prey do not dig it out, and, if there is a danger of such beasts digging it out then the grave should be made solid with bricks, etc.

    621. If it is not possible to bury a dead body in the ground, it may be kept in a vault or a coffin, instead.

    622. The dead body should be laid in the grave on its right side so that the face remains towards the Qibla.

    623. * If a person dies on a ship and if there is no fear of the decay of the dead body and if there is no problem in retaining it for sometime on the ship, it should be kept on it and buried in the ground after reaching the land. Otherwise, after giving Ghusl, Hunut, Kafan and Namaz-e-Mayyit it should be lowered into the sea in a vessel of clay or with a weight tied to its feet. And as far as possible it should not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by the sea predators.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    matic I thought that if he wasn’t going to proclaim to everyone the beauty of my jumper that he was definitely going to confirm something about aliens lol

  • http://slamonline Brion

    Its unfortunate that this news had to interupt Bogat’s twitter acct. what an a**.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Also twice now I wrote long posts about Clinton’s fails as Commander In Cheif but they won’t show up.
    He must’ve paid off the folks at SLAM or something. SMH

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Actually, to be more accurate:
    “According to Yugoslav Committee for Cooperation with UNICEF, the Yugoslav civilian victims are more than 1,200.[2]”
    And… “According to military historian Michael Oren, for every Serbian soldier killed by NATO in 1999, four civilians died, constituting a civilian casualty ratio of 4:1″
    Yep, this was all Clinton. If that isn’t enough pro-activeness for you…
    I really don’t know how anyone in the United States can support American foreign policy. I really don’t. I won’t criticize anyone who fights for their country–but seriously…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    So, it’s acceptable but not preferable to bury him at sea.
    And since the feds said they didn’t want to create a shrine, they ruled out burying him on land. Seems like their logic was we will do as much as we can as long as it doesn’t cause more problems. That is if you believe that dude was actually killed and buried yesterday.
    The thing is, if you think Obama faked it, why would he fake it and not Bush when this would have validated Bush’s entire presidency and made life so much easier for him. Do we think the people who brought us the “mushroom cloud and yellow cake” were above manufacturing information to suit their needs?
    As for Obama not doing anything, that’s hilarious from a conservative. The entire conservative movement has been galvanized behind the idea that Obama is stripping liberties, overstepping his boundaries and generally rolling back all of the hard won gains of “real” Americans.
    How can he be doing all that when all he’s doing is playing golf and reading from a teleprompter?
    Y’all don’t even make sense in your own minds.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    When I saw that there was going to be a major announcement from President Obama I said to my wife “either there is something terrible that happened or about to happen or we’re going to hear some real wild sh*t no one was expecting to hear”. I’m glad it was the latter. I was half expecting him to tell us that an asteroid was heading for the Earth and will be here within 6 months, eraticating all life, like Morgan Freeman did in Deep Impact. The timing of the conference was so strange for such a huge story to American citizens. I mean, 11:30p on a Sunday night?

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    nbk:
    To some, the sea is the earth. Depending on interpretation.
    And, I’m not a religious expert…
    But, the last part of your 3:55 pm comment tells it, no? I mean, we’re talking about a person with what many people call a radical view on religion. I’m not saying that that was the basis of him being buried at sea, but again, do we know the interpretations of protocol of the people who is running this deal?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I thought Barry likes to shoot j’s in his spare time?

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    There are only two reasons to bury at sea, first because the body is decaying at too fast a rate, on the ship in which the person died, and out of fear of desacration of the budy and excavating of the body. — Which begs the question, why would they have to release where he is buried? and what gives them the right to decide its best that he gets buried at sea? the US is a governing body, not a religious body.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    This is SERIOUSLY p*ssing me off, I’m trying to reply to you Teddy but I can’t seem to post any long posts about clinton. Damnit

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Because, someone is listening to what somebody is telling them to do…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    and the sea is the earth is an interpretation by you a non muslim. Its actually more of whether or not a sea burial is ever acceptable when death occurs on land that is up for interpretation. I have been searching pretty solid today about mulsim burial practices, and nowhere have I read that the sea and earth are the same, under any Muslim/Islamic interpretation of their religious scriptures. Its whether or not the sea is acceptable at all. Every time you say earth burial is a risk another Mulsim can just say bury him somewhere else then, don’t throw him in the ocean.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I for one don’t at all believe he was killed, autopsied, and disposed of in a 24 hour period, call me crazy. — we either killed him days/weeks/months ago, or are just saying we dropped the body at sea to stop the questions. One way or the other, we have proof he’s dead, it will inevitably be released, and the whole story will never be known. that’s how i see it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    Well, I think you’re assuming that the primary goal was to bury him properly. I think that was a consideration, but it was weighed against other stuff. So, basically, they respected the time limit, but not the location. Typical political compromise.
    Eboy
    That’s what I thought too, but according to doyouwantmore, he plays golf. And he’s only good at speeches because of his teleprompter.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    WTF, SLAM??

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    And I don’t think that’s crazy at all NBK. Either explanation, although I think that it’s unlikely that a sieve like the federal government could keep that sort of explosive secret for weeks or years.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    LOL @ Eni. When we look at this again tomorrow there’ll probably be like 8 posts by you on Clinton. hahah

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    I take back there being no photos. There are alleged photos.
    @nbk:
    It can be argued that you are generalizing…
    You do not know if I am Muslim, or not. There are many people who practice and believe in things that they do not fully understand. People look at things in all kinds of different ways.
    But a major point in the argument is whether sea burial is accepted at all in the Muslim faith. You posted a quote where it says that it is acceptable. Albeit, not preferred. (Allen)

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Benezir Bhutto has said that bin Laden has been dead for years.
    Then, she was killed…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    That’s a good point, nbk. Perhaps the deed has been done for a long time but only now is the American government telling us about it. Maybe they interrogated/questioned/tortured him beforehand and then disposed of the body, telling us about it only when it was safe to do so? Sh!t is mad suspicious…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Political compromise? its a religious practice, there is no compromise. If you defile a body in one way the body is defiled. Its not half defiled, he doesn’t get 36 virgins. They took a DNA sample, put a hole in his head, on land, and then threw him in the ocean to keep some muslims happy? No, they “threw him in the ocean” so no further investigation can take place. Its the perfect, “we can’t prove he died May 1, 2011 (exactly 66 years after Hitler was announced dead) cuz we threw him in the ocean” – you can’t do any independent tests, you have to take us at our word, and maybe we’ll supply a picture that will basically tell you nothing but that we killed a guy with a beard. Its like when your parents tell you santa clause came last night and you have to just believe them cuz theres presents. Obama went from a disappointment to over achiever and shoe-in for a second term in under a weekend, and nobody finds the timing a bit odd/convenient/perfect? I’m just saying we can’t just believe this stuff cuz they tell us its true, they have to prove it.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    F*ck Clinton!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Feel a little better now…but have now fallen way behind in terms of what everyone else is discussing.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Philo we aren’t talking about the ruling of one muslim, if they are acting in accordance with islamic religious practices it must be done the most generally accepted way, we are the United States of America the most overly analyzed and scrutinized country in the world — luckily though, the majority of muslims have no means to speak out against the way this is being handled, or just plain don’t give a damn about Osama Bin Laden because he killed them just like he killed everyone else, so they don’t feel he deserves a proper religious burial. Really the only logical reason to bury him at sea is to hide something, unless you can logically explain why they are so worried about a shrine, when they can bury him anywhere on earth that trash isn’t thrown and not tell anyone about it.

  • http://slamonline.com datkid

    lmaooo @enigmatic. nbk look…if they had him dead for years then bush would’ve def. used them to validate his policies..i mean it’s weird but stranger things have happened. get off it.

  • JTaylor21

    I guess Enigmatic is in favor of having coke heads running the country.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Never said years.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    NBK
    Like I said, the only reason the dead for years thing is weird is because why would Bush save that for Obama? Unless you roll with the larger conspiracy theory community, that doesn’t make sense. Now, if you roll with them, it all make perfect sense.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    never said years

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, the way NATO has chosen to handle the current crisis in Libya is a complete joke. NATO is NOT a humanitarian organization by any means. FRANCE, the former colonizer of Libya, is the country pushing the strongest for a ground invasion–think about that for a second. How can ANY former colonizer even pretend to be “humanitarian” when dealing with a former colony?
    Oddly enough, we hear absolutely nothing about the protests currently going on in Bahrain, nor do we hear self-righteous calls for “freedom” and “democracy” in Saudi Arabia. But Libya, which had a better human rights track record than Saudi Arabia and more freedoms than MOST Middle Eastern states (especially the ones in bed with America), is being divided and conquered.
    The SAME AMERICAN COMPANIES commissioned by the government to set up fake Twitter sites and help Libyans (and also people in China, etc.) bypass internet censors are the SAME ONES implementing those very censors in Saudi Arabia, for THEIR government.
    Humanitarian my @ss…

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh, I reread your timeframe post.
    Look, I don’t disagree at all that the body disposal makes no sense if you want to placate hardcore Muslims.
    But I don’t think that’s who they are trying to placate. They are trying to placate folks who are already looking for a reason to side with the U.S., but would be turned off if the country desecrated dude’s body. So, it’s possible they gave them a semi-plausible truth.
    I don’t know. Nobody really knows yet.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    The picture that’s floating around is a photo-shopped picture of him alive.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @nbk:
    So, what about other Muslims whose bodies were defiled during the time of death, (suicide bomb victims) but still follow protocol according to their interpretations of it? Or, are you talking predominantly politics, and THEIR suspected views?

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Also, there are alleged photos of him dead. Just look for it. They have at least, “something”.
    @nbk:
    We have to remember that there are people who sympathize with bin Laden’s ideology. They are not, according to many, “generally” accepted, you know?
    It is real tricky. I wholeheartedly agree with that.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Philo – I was talking from a political standpoint but lets just forget that he was shot in the head. They took something from his body to test DNA on, maybe I’m misinterpreting the rules of death but that right there is defiling the body. — Associated Press Hamza Hendawi- Muslim clerics said Monday that Osama bin Laden’s burial at sea was a violation of Islamic tradition that may further provoke militant calls for revenge attacks against American targets.

    Although there appears to be some room for debate over the burial — as with many issues within the faith — a wide range of Islamic scholars interpreted it as a humiliating disregard for the standard Muslim practice of placing the body in a grave with the head pointed toward the holy city of Mecca.”

  • blakos

    Looks like the CIA and British training wasn’t enough this time Osama. You got smoked.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    But, was bin Laden… a “standard” Muslim?

  • http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-05/02/c_13854920.htm nbk

    Philo will you stop bringing up the picture I’ve already explained 2 times that there are photoshopped pictures going around, nothing has been released by the US government. — Also it is being reported in China that Osama was actually killed by a Pakistani Helicopter Raid – you can click my name for the story.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    ^ Wait WHAT? This is crazy!

  • http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-05/02/c_13854920.htm nbk

    what is a “standard” muslim? what are the non-standard burial practices? Osama wasn’t a muslim by any standards, he regularly killed his people. So i think its almost impossible to distinguish what kind of “muslim” he was.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    nbk:
    My bad, I missed it.

  • JTaylor21

    I read somewhere that the US couldn’t find a country that was willing to bury in their land and no way in hell were they going to bury him in the US or Afghan. So they decided to turn dude into chum and tossed him overboard.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    And, you nailed it.
    There IS no way to distinguish what kind of “Muslim” he was. That was my whole point.
    All about interpretation.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Clinton is responsible for thousands of murdered Serbian civilians. A religious war hundreds of years old and that uneducated adulterer decided he was going to decide who was right and who was wrong. Not based on facts, but on which side better fit into his political agenda. It would be wonderful if all Americans actually watched news from countries around the world so they could get an unbiased view of what’s really going on in the world.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Diesel:
    Clinton was just doing what he was told to do.
    As is Obama.

  • http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-05/02/c_13854920.htm nbk

    All good philo I thought you were just ignoring it. — Taylor that makes perfect sense if your right, but that’s not what they are saying publicly, they are saying they are worried about a shrine. which is absurd, you don’t ever have to tell anyone that its even Osama Bin Laden. You don’t have to tell anyone where its buried. If you literally can’t bury him anywhere because nobody will let you then fine, say that, but it still doesn’t explain why they used fedex to get rid of him so fast, or why they lied in the first place.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    nbk:
    They HAVE to say something.
    And, people are going to build a shrine for him, anyway. There are people who build shrines for bad people all the time, you know?
    At least if they say “something”, whether truth or lie, they are going to say “something”. You know what time it is. As many of us do.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Diesel: I hope you weren’t referring to me because I agree that the bombing of Yugoslavia was extremely f*cked up, and one of the many reasons why American foreign policy is an abomination.

  • JTaylor21

    Oh, my God this is terrible! Could somebody please find Ja Rule, get a hold of this motherf*cker so I could make sense of all this. Where is Ja?

  • http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-05/02/c_13854920.htm nbk

    Of all the things for them to say, “we don’t have the body anymore because we were trying to make a small % of a community he was excommunicated from (yes the Muslims ex communicated him from their religion, thus revoking his status as a muslim) happy?” He was disowned by his family, there is literally nobody but fellow terrorists/al queada to criticize whatever it is we choose to do with the body. — the explanation is an excuse, like my dog ate my homework, the government wants to keep something about this secret, their plan isn’t over, its not like we kill Osama and that’s it, there is more to this. Honestly I think being truthful and straightforward are the least of their concerns, and its sad that people actually believe what they are being told regarding the circumstances of this event. He is surely dead, and that’s the only fact that is indisputable in this story.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    The hell?
    JTaylor, please tell me where I said Bush was a better option.
    I’ll wait.

  • the Dude

    surprised Lebron didn’t need Wade and Bosh to help him type his kiss ass remarks.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    No Teddy – I was actually co-signing your post without specifically mentioning you. Your posts just made me want to reiterate how horrible Clinton really was.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I. Wish. I. Could. Speak. On. Clinton. Without. Being. Censored. Thanks.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    It really won’t let you get your comment through? are you plagiarizing?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Nope. I’m using my own words. If I could, I’d DM you what I said on Twitter. Can’t from work though.

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, ummm…..I just connected the dots. Since you’re always ragging on Obama and Clinton, I falsely assumed you were a bush lover. My fault.
    I personally despise politicians so it’s not like I prefer one over the other. In the famous words of Nasir; no president ever did sh*t for me.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    damn that’s what I was about to say. My work has a cap on FB but not Twitter.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    If you think the news in any country is unbiased, you are crazy.
    There are millions of people in Serbia who would disagree completely with you. that’s why there was a civil war. And whatever group controlled the media was the group that controlled the dominant narrative in the country.
    So, while you call Clinton a stupid meddler, there were some who welcomed his involvement. And while some people thought he was wrong to go into settle the dispute in Serbia, others thought he was a bastard for not going in earlier in Rwanda.
    If there are two sides to a story, it’s probably not a real story.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Enigmatic Posted: May.2 at 1:32 pm
    Oh, and some of y’all on here might already know how I previously felt about Obama.
    I’m glad to say I was deeply wrong about him, he has my upmost respect now, and in short, that dude is Unf★ckwitable™.

    ____________________________________________

    But yeah, I can’t stand Clinton. That’s for sure. Oh, and I’m sorry, but you lying if you say you don’t prefer one over the other though, based on your previous posts I would guess you stay on that “my president is black” sh*t!

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    AllenP droppin knowledge like he’s the last player left in a game of hot potato

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Don’t even know if this will post cause it’s about the “C” word, but where he faltered in the “Y” word is that he didn’t have his peeps targest strictly military compounds, thus the result was too many civilian casualties.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Check this out for conspiracy, nbk. LOL
    They “kill” bin Laden, Obama takes the “mortal” retaliation hit. Makes a “miraculous” recovery. All hail him to have “super natural” powers, and what not.
    Like a thief in the night, says The Word.
    Damn, they let us know at night, too…

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    lol Obama fits into a ton of conspiracies, all entertaining, all highly illogical. i personally like that he is according to some looney tunes a CIA Alien/Human Hybrid raised to be president/antichrist. That’s the most ridiculous thing i’ve read that I have seen vehemently supported. But I try and at least listen to every story I come across I like to have as much information as I can get even if its completely crazy it allows me to see from another perspective kind of….

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Understood, Diesel. And you too, Eni.
    Though I actually think Bill Clinton was a pretty good president in handling domestic matters–but like most Presidents, completely f*cked in the head when it comes to foreign matters.
    And @ Allen: I agree too, but there’s no excuse for killing hundreds/thousands of civilians, period. Not in a civil war, and not in an “intervention” that’s supposed to help “prevent” a civil war from escalating.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    So nbk, if someone says that someone else is not part of a religion anymore, they can’t practice a form of said religion, anyway? If you belong to a church, and they expel you, do you now not believe in the teaching of said religion, according to one’s interpretation?
    And, there were other “Muslims” who died for this man. Do they make up a % of a “Muslim” population?

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    It won’t let me post about his other mess-ups, but one begins with an S and one with an R.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Philosopher your trying to argue that we are taking Bin Laden’s beliefs into account. We aren’t he’s dead, his opinion on what we do with his body is irrelevant. Its the opinion of the Islamic/Muslim community that would matter, except he is not a part of it anymore. And those from that community that do care, are outright saying that he was improperly buried (actually its called disposed of because that’s what he was). What exactly are you arguing? I know you understand that something is being hidden I have been talking to you about related stuff off and on for a couple years, what are you saying about his burial? that it makes sense?

  • JTaylor21

    Enigmatic, what? Of course I respect him because he became the first black president and his personal achievements but I don’t support any politician. Do people know that dude hired the exact same people that destroyed the financial system and caused the recession? The same guy that was talking about “change” has some of the same people in power that served under Bush.
    You can put lipstick on a pig and it’s still a pig.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Teddy
    If you knew that you could destroy a village and kill ten thousand residents to prevent on of those residents from becoming Adolpf Hitler, would you do it?
    I’m not going to say that there is never a reason for non-combatants to die. But, I also recognize that means that EVERYBODY is a target. There are no off limits people in the world.
    America doesn’t play by those rules. Sure, we claim to try to avoid civilian deaths, but in reality if they have to die to accomplish an objective, then they have to die. That’s how the world has worked forever.
    People rationalize the choices they make, and try to present them in the best possible light.
    If Americans want things to change, we’d have to change the taxes we pay, the cars we drive, the homes we live in, the jobs we work. Basically, we’d have to change our entire lives. That ain’t likely to happen by choice.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    nbk:
    I’m not trying to take bin Laden’s beliefs into account. Wasn’t trying to make it sound like that.
    What I am wondering is, who decided that he was going to be “thrown off the boat”. That was Barry’s call? Someone had to tell them to do that. His family is among the most powerful families in the world. Did they get on the phone and give instructions?

  • Lee

    What happened on 9/11 was abhorrent, and Osama Bin Laden was undoubtedly a terrible man. But before we engage in the cringe-inducing flag waving and celebrations over the death of a human being, let’s remember a few things: First, that a great deal of the hatred and aggression directed towards the U.S. is due to U.S. foreign policy and our government’s actions abroad, and that this aggression won’t end until our government and our people can change their way of thinking and perceiving the rest of the world. Secondly, that our own government has condemned displays of nationalism in foreign countries, the kinds of displays we’re seeing in the streets U.S. cities right now. And thirdly, and perhaps most importantly: Though our nation experienced a great deal of pain and suffering due to the deaths of 3000 innocent civilians on 9/11, our own government has visited exponentially more pain and suffering on the innocent people of foreign countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Just some things I think we should keep in mind.

    I applaud guys like CDR and Jason Richardson, if only because they’re willing to step back for a moment and consider every angle of events like this.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    They’re not “willing to step back for a moment and consider every angle of events like this”.
    On the contrary, everything is black and white to them.
    In reality, we live in a world of grey.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    I think if we are ok to kill him and search for 10 years I doubt we care what anyone who hid him wants us to do. Also he was disowned from his family. It’s pretty clear we did why was convenient to me

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    And, again nbk, you posted a verse saying that is acceptable to bury a Muslim at sea.

  • 6marjons

    haha @ LO

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Your heads might explode considering all the possibilites.
    That’s why I’d rather just play stupid and say, “they got him! Great! Moving on…”

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    nbk:
    What about the relatives of bin Laden who got on the plane after 9/11? Were they disowned, too?

  • blakos

    What was the point of invading Iraq and killing Sadam again?????

  • blakos

    @Lee, the US Governments name is mud over here in NZ, for those that have a reasonable knowledge of 20th century history (East timor, Chile, Panama, Iraq etc etc. But the people are still loved.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    What about his terrorist family? Are you kidding me, do you really think their opinion matters? And why would they want their family thrown in the ocean ? Just use some logic, this throw him in the ocean stuff was clearly an American decision just use logic

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    While I can’t really say I feel one way or another about that nutcase allegedly being dead, I find it amazing how people really think terrorism is the reason we’re at war. We’re at war for oil and power in that region. Period. Osama has almost nothing to do with why we’re at war. Case in point, it took all of five years for Iraq’s oil fields to publicly be opened for bidding by the Western oil companies. A lot of people get rich off of war. It’s too bad people are so brainwashed by these politicians. As someone who lost a relative and a neighbor on 9/11– and actually watched the 1st tower fall from my rooftop in Brooklyn–I’ll still NEVER support imperialist decisions by this government. Blaming our oil grab on 9/11 cheapens the deaths of the innocent lives lost on that day. It’s dispicable, just like the terrorists.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    This dudes still alive poppin bottles in the White House with Barrack, Jay-Z, LeBron, and the rest of the Illuminati and watching the playoffs like all of us. Hes been in the CIA forever, dont let the media brainwash you.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign Lee.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    And zoom with, I think, the best comment in this thread.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Allen: I’m not so sure that that’s a realistic scenario. But no, I would not kill 10,000 innocent people to eliminate 1 Hitler. Because people like Hitler could have/can be prevented without killing thousands of innocent civilians (though it ended up being millions). Maybe that’s not how the world works now, but it’s common sense.
    I mean, Hitler himself owes a big “thank-you” to the rest of Europe and the US for creating the conditions that led to his being elected. If the United States/Europe hadn’t passed the Treaty of Versailles and humiliated the Germans post-WWI by extorting insane amounts of money in war reparations, demilitarizing them, and forcing them to accept sole blame for WWI (which is stupid because every country was to blame for that mess…), then there wouldn’t have been a “need” for a Hitler.
    And if the British hadn’t at first sympathized with Hitler and allowed him to conquer parts of Czechoslovakia, he wouldn’t have been able to build such a strong empire.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I haven’t agreed with everything Teddy’s posted on this article, but I have to agree with his thoughts on Hitler coming to power at least partially because of the US and Europe.
    We let it happen.
    Some might argue we let Bin Laden happen as well.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I agree that there’s an objective, and that most countries will do anything to accomplish that objective, but that objective is far from a humanitarian one.
    Back to the Hitler example: Hitler only did to Europe what the other European countries had been doing for centuries to all non-white populations of the world. Had Hitler staked a claim in Africa, or committed mass genocide of American Indians, nobody would have cared. The largely anti-Semitic Europeans/Americans at that time didn’t even care that Hitler was mass murdering Jews, and they sure as heck wouldn’t have saved them had Hitler kept to his own instead of trying to take over all of Europe Napoleon-style.
    Most countries actually refused to offer refuge to Jews fleeing the Holocaust… CANADA turned down a huge boatload of Jewish survivors and sent them back to who knows where… These are people they were supposed to be saving, who had no other place to go, and they were turned away. WTF is that?!
    Point is, we can’t use the humanitarian card anymore. And the national security card? We wouldn’t need to use that either, if America/Europe/whatever other countries would STOP TRAINING people in foreign countries to fight against their own people…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Alright, more preaching, LOL:
    I also don’t buy that people’s lifestyles would change that drastically (if not in a positive way) if the US suddenly changed its foreign policy. Things might actually be better. I mean, what about all the poor people in America?
    Did you know that like, 6%-15% (I can’t remember the percentage, but it’s in that range) of what the US spends on its military would be enough to permanently end world hunger? (And the US would still be leading the world in military spending if that much of a reduction did take place). Isn’t that f*cked up?
    I’m not trying to pull the guilt card out on ordinary citizens, lol, but think about that. I can’t understand why any taxpayers would want their money to go towards wars that take place in other continents instead of things like education, etc.
    Oh yeah, and the cars we drive would already have been changed were it not for the oil companies that want to prevent New-Energy research. We freaking HAD electric cars, but the oil companies (which also own/are in bed with the car companies) recalled them…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Just putting it out there that I have a tonne of respect for people who risk their lives for their country (ie. Enigmatic). Not trying to diss anyone there.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t disagree Teddy. My point was saying that any time non combatants die something is wrong is not realistic or smart. Sometimes non soldiers who support regimes through their inaction are used as a way to protect others who deserve punishment. As enigmatic noted the world is a complicated place and you have to be careful which hard and fast rules you embrace.
    Also I know enough world history to know the cause of WWII just like I know that Japan didn’t attack.us for.nobreason. my point was that sometimes fairly innocent people suffer for a good reason. No revolution spares all innocents and one mans terrorist is another.mans freedom fighter.

  • Heals

    Just read what CDR had to say – Thank You CDR for speaking the truth!

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    You can actually tell him that on twitter, that’s what it’s for.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Hold on, any time combatants die it’s wrong too… Wars are always fought on false premises. I can’t think of a single war fought for an actual good reason–not one that was manufactured later, or what people thought they were fighting for–unless we’re talking about certain revolutions/rebellions, but then you can’t say the same for the other side (ie. the oppressor retaliating).
    These are lives we’re talking about; this isn’t some chess game. Just because, say 1000 people live within the vicinity of Ghadaffi, doesn’t mean NATO has a right to bomb those 1000 people in hopes of hitting Ghadaffi. Of course it’s wrong. If anything, it IS realistic to admit that this is wrong, because then we don’t have the false pretense of being “humanitarian.”

  • http://chicagonow.com/sports/bulls Diesel

    The thought process of “if you could kill hitler but you would also have to kill 1000 people” over simplifies what was happening in the former yugoslavia. It was a religous rooted war. One group with a religious belief wanted to seperate from the rest of the country with a different religious belief. There was no defined bad guy. Croations, Serbs, Albanians were all being ethnically cleansed. For some reason the US felt it was their place to interject. And because the serbs weren’t as media savy, thousands of them died. That doesn’t seem right to me. If Utah was to decide tomorrow that they wanted to secede from the united states and be their own mormon state…and the us didn’t want to let them secede from the union…and then China decided they’d get involved and they’d side with Utah and bomb the rest of the US…you’d be asking what gives China the right. You wouldn’t be trying to hear how there are 2 sides to every story.

  • blakos

    Co-sign Zoom 100%
    @Enigmatic – We did let Osama happen. He was part of the well trained Mujahideen that fought the Soviets in Afganistan in the 80′s. He was trained by US and British special forces.

  • Heals

    Thanks NBK, this whole time I was hoping CDR would scroll thru all the responses to this post and see what I said, but now I know I can just tweet him. Awesome, plus I was speaking of about the tweets he made regarding the total costs of this endeavor…

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    nbk:
    I don’t know. It all seems fishy to me.
    Just futily trying to figure things out.
    But I also think there is an influence that his family has that doesn’t get acknowledged frequently.
    I believe that the Saudis have immense influence over what happens, also.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    And it very well mqay be that the Americans made that call. Just trying to play devil’s advocate, I guess…

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    I understand completely where your coming from but my view is he is not even recognized as a Muslim by the Islamic Church (pardon me of my if ignorance of the correct phrase if I’m wrong) so why would anyone care what happens to his body? And if they did why would they be ok with disregarding some burial practices but not others? The timing is pretty convenient from the American side, amongst everything going on in the media and the economy, plus the Presidents showing at the Dinner this weekend where he sarcastically criticized all his opposing presidential candidates he ends the weekend with this? And then the body is gone by Monday? While everyone is still celebrating Obama’s greatness and basically shoeing him in for another term it seems perfect. Nobody cares what happened really, just that he’s dead, and people aren’t going to interrupt that to question The reasons behind dropping Bin Laden out of a helicopter into the ocean. I am not against Obama, or what happened, just that it was this way, right now it’s to fishy and convenient. I feel lied to, more then I usually do.

  • Hambone

    If anything good comes from this then the price of gas will fall

  • rikson

    Plus nobody really knows, if he is responsible for 9/11… Shouldnt other possibilities be at least considered, before you go and destroy half of the eastern world?!

  • rikson

    In a global perspective the us always talks with their weapons, even iif they have a mouth for that….

  • jufu

    aaahahahahha reggie evans just trolled everybody

  • http://www.slamonline.com Cheryl

    I’m with Lou Williams.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Nbk:
    I’m suspicious also of Pakistan. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, U.S., and Britain.
    Now, it is understood that UBL is not recognized as a Muslim by certain factions of the Muslim community. But, one can argue that there would be many people still who would have an interest in any or all of the logistics of this situation, including how or where the body is handled.
    For example, Pakistan has been reportedly holding him for 5-6 years. Would they “hide” him for that long if there wasn’t a vested interest? It’s also been reported that he’s been in Pakistan since the battle at Tora Bora. Does America not care what Pakistan may think about a body protocol? They are allegedly allies of the U.S. America cares about what its allies think, no?
    Is it out of the realm of possibility that Pakistan indeed made the call to bury him at sea? Since they’ve been holding AND harboring him for the last decade, while being an alleged ally to the U.S.?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    Of course I would say that.
    And the Chinese would say they had a valid reason to get involved.
    Just like the way foreign countries were sniffing around trying to get involved in our own Civil War that was caused by Southern states seceding from the Union to protect their right to hold human chattel.
    Teddy
    Revolutions only seem good to the folks who are rebelling. You think the British felt like the American revolution was justified? What about all the other revolutions that failed? Were the Native Americans wrong for scalping and killing women and children to protect their lands? Were Nat Turner and the slaves involved in the 1811 slave revolt in New Orleans wrong for killing women and children as they tried to gain freedom?
    I believe in right and wrong, but I also understand that those values are personal.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    Im feeling kinda like lou williams. And LeBron is a suck up.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Philosopher that would mean the wishes of people that were hiding the most wanted man in the world are being considered, do you really think that’s the case? We would take to the burial wishes of people who hid Osama Bin Laden from us. Does that sound like something the United States of America would do?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Wayno

    Congrats to Obama for carrying out Bush’s policies on terrorism. Also for the record, intel from gitmo detainees was instrumental in finding and killing him…

  • Yann Blavec

    I’m french and every time I see the victory speech of “your” president, I cry for joy. I tried an hour ago, I cried;

  • http://www.slamonline.com Jay

    This was huge for Sikh’s all around the world that race went through unfair hell because of Bin Laden people still dont realize there completely different from Muslims.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Nbk:
    Stranger things have happened, no?
    We all know that he (UBL)was at least, trained by the C.I.A. We all know that Bush Jr. worked for bin Laden’s father in Canada. (Busche is the original German spelling of his name)
    We also know that Pakistan is a nuclear power. America seems to have a rapport with people who are recognized as a nuclear power.
    And again, Pakistan is allegedly an ally, so that would help lead me to wonder why America wouldn’t consider them, if that is what they requested.
    The Saudis allegedly played a major role in 9/11. The Americans listen to nearly everything that family says, it seems, no? I know they have oil, but… they supposedly helped crash planes into New York.
    And, as long as it is beneficial to the U.S., of course I suspect that they would honor that (Pakistan)request. If it was made. America has been negotiating with terrorists for a long time. At least since Reagan with Iran and Ayatolla Khomeini.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Philo, say your 100% right, we let the pakistani or saudi, or bin laden’s family choose what we did with the body…. why did they want us to drop him out of a Helicopter into the Ocean? Why were we allowed to take a DNA sample if they really cared about burial practices? and if you have an explanation for that then why did they want him in the ocean? and for someone on dialysis how did he go 10 years without anyone knowing he was right under their nose? and lastly, how come the American government didn’t tell Pakistan about the “raid” if we trust them enough to take burial advice? — I have been discussing this with everyone I know, older/younger/smarter/dumber and haven’t come across one logical reason we threw him in the ocean from a muslim perspective, actually I haven’t even found a semi intelligent answer. But from the American side, if you have something to hide, I can’t think of a better story to tell then “we wanted to respect his Islamic faith, so we “buried” the body within 24 hours, you know because we Americans always tend to respect those that murder our people. The US mission was described as a capture mission as well, why did they just go in and pop him in the eye after they shot his wife, if they were really about capturing him? And it just screams coverup – we had Saddam for 2+ weeks, and Osama Bin Laden for less then 14 hours, how does that make sense? Like pictures are going to give us a time of death? he is clearly dead, that can be agreed to, but what makes anyone think he hasn’t been dead since he last made an appearance (2002)? I don’t believe this to be the case, but I also don’t believe we killed him on sunday morning and dumped his body in the ocean out of a helicopter on Monday, we are too thorough as a government/country for that to be a sufficient amount of time to get all the information that we needed. Name a time in US history where a military plan was executed, cleaned up, and explained in less then a day.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Nbk:
    They didn’t have to necessarily tell the Americans to “drop” him out of the helicopter. They can say, “make sure you (America) bury him at sea”. Then, the Americans put him to the sea. Whatever method was used is debatable, and up to whomever, but the job being done is the important variable.
    America can take DNA. Today, people in all walks of religion go against original protocol. It is arguable that nations in the Arab world don’t REALLY care about how his body is defiled, let alone the Americans caring. It is part of the deal, maybe. “You wash my hand, I’ll wash yours”. For, negotiations with terrorists have been going on for years.
    Also, the ocean is acceptable practice and protocol, albeit not preferred. Maybe they don’t want people worshiping a shrine, either. Maybe the two sides shared that concern.
    Also, I find it very hard to believe that the Americans didn’t know that he was in Pakistan, let alone the Pakistani government not knowing, themselves. I also believe that Pakistan knew about the raid. I believe that bin Laden wore out his welcome, and Pakistan told the Americans that he was there for the taking, but only under certain conditions. (sea burial)
    And, there is are stories saying that the woman shot was not one of his wives, but…

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Oh, and the Americans kill civilians in Pakistan, and in other parts of the world quite frequently. Plenty of times America went into a country and killed civilians… within a day. With an explanation. Sometimes, there is no explanation. Sometimes, those kinds of stories aren’t even reported by news outlets.

  • http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/140377/20110502/osama-bin-laden-body.htm nbk

    Sea Burial is only acceptable when its necessary.
    Omar Bakri Mohammed, a radical cleric in Lebanon, said “the Americans want to humiliate Muslims through this burial, and I don’t think this is in the interest of the U.S. administration,” reported the Associated Press.

    “They can say they buried him at sea, but they cannot say they did it according to Islam. If the family does not want him, it’s really simple in Islam: You dig up a grave anywhere, even on a remote island, you say the prayers… Sea burials are permissible for Muslims in extraordinary circumstances. This is not one of them,” said Mohammed al-Qubaisi, Dubai’s grand mufti.

    Muslims in al-Qubaisi’s camp think the US should have given the body to Bin Laden’s family or a Muslim country willing to give him a more proper burial.

    Harvard scholar Azeem Ibrahim, a Muslim, was also critical of the sea burial, but for different reasons.
    “Bin Laden, the enemy of Islam, did not deserve an Islamic funeral or burial in a Muslim graveyard,” said Ibrahim

    If you want to read more click my name. There is no logical reason to think this was anything but a cover up.

  • http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/140377/20110502/osama-bin-laden-body.htm nbk

    In reply to your last post, Those stories aren’t covered, and they definitely aren’t released the same f’ng day. Come on philo of all the people at slam to see through this, it should be you. – this was so convenient, has conflicting stories, and the reasoning behind his burial are suspect, in the least.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    I know, nbk. I’m just trying not to believe that it has gotten to the point to where it is this blatant and raunchy. Craziness, right now.

  • http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/140377/20110502/osama-bin-laden-body.htm nbk

    I feel you, I was so angry yesterday, all day about this. I have never been good about being lied to at all, and this just felt wrong from the very beginning. Another thing nobody has answered for me, how come Osama stopped making videos and showing his face? He went MIA for 7 years, even though his Al Quieda were still terrorizing the middle east Osama completely disappeared? He is on dialysis or went on dialysis in July of 2001 from what I have gathered. His death was reported some 8 times over the last 10 years, (never by the US government) one such report was followed almost immediately by the death of the person who revealed the story. I am not trying to say or draw any conclusion about the lie we are being told, just that we are being lied to, blatantly. Even if what they said is 100% true then there is other very important aspects that they are completely leaving out, same as a lie to me. I just hope it has a positive purpose, not a greedy motive or something like that.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    I believe that they are ushering in, and getting us ready for, the next “global threat”.
    Full U.f.o. disclosure.
    Call me whatever, but…

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    I’m with you actually. I think there will be some kind of disclosure soon, idk what it’ll be about though. The curtain could get pulled back about something soon

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    I don’t know how authentic it is, but there is literature about how Roswell happened, how Kennedy was killed because, he was about to make a disclosure, all kinds of sh1t. I’m sure you’re on it, though.

  • http://Slamonline.com Hossy

    New world order! One world government! 1984! Bilderberg! Illuminati!

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Philo – I have read that, along with a host of other very intriguing Conspiracy theories. I just don’t really have an opinion one way or the other about them though. Roswell and the moon landings are the deepest theories I’ve read

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    The deepest I’ve read probably has to be about the planet Niburu, and the Annunaki. And, the civilizations before them.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Actually your right when you add up all the different “ancient aliens” (u know what I mean) then yes that subject is by far the deepest I’ve seen. It’s actually indisputable to me that parts of those stories have to be true. To many parallels in unrelated regions of the world.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Agreed.
    Another theory I heard is that, the people who run the world’s governments are the descendants of the nephillim. I don’t know how much I believe that, but I do believe in a “single bloodline” theory. If it is a theory…

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Single Bloodline theory is true in that Prince William can be traced back to Egypt (supposedly). So idk I know one member of the family has always been from the same Bloodline as long as the United Kingdom has been established. Other then that it’s hard to distinguish what is and isn’t merely heresay

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Nbk:
    Yeah. I’m a little familiar with all of that.
    If you get a chance, check out my Facebook page.
    Parmenides Anaximenes.
    Philosopher.view@gmail.com
    Philosophervision@blogspot.com
    There are some things up there that you may or may not find to be of interest. I’m sure that you are up on all of it, though.
    Thanks for the exchange, man.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    If my 9:51 pm comment doesn’t come up, it was just going to suggest that you check out my FB page.
    Parmenides Anaximenes. A few things up there that may interest you, and others.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Sounds good I will do that. I enjoyed it I knew we were interested in the same type of subjects. Anytime

  • http://www.tampax.com AllenWest4Prez

    Aw, that’s so sweet.

  • HOF

    unleash your inteligence lamar

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