Wednesday, April 1st, 2009 at 12:56 pm  |  131 responses

Do You Still Hate Duke?

The Commish doesn’t.

by Vincent Thomas

For about two-thirds of my life, my happiest, most gleeful moment of every Mad March tournament happened either when my squad won the championship or when Duke lost. And, since I can only recall a handful of times “my squad” won (1990 UNLV, 1997 Arizona, 1999 UConn and 2003 ‘Cuse), most of my spring highlights centered around was seeing a red-face Coach K lead wet-cheek Dukies off the court with towels over their heads to hide the tears. I cannot overstate this enough: For most of my life I have thoroughly and utterly despised the Duke Blue Devils. When Will Blythe, author of the Duke-loathing book To Hate Like This Is to Be Happy Forever, wrote a piece for Esquire entitled “Hating Coach K,” the deck read: “Mike Krzyzewski (aka, the Rat) is one of the all-time greats in his chosen field, but, hey, so was Mussolini” it actually took me a moment to register the sarcasm. No joke.

But something happened, this season. I felt no glee watching ‘Nova humiliate Duke. That 77-54 drubbing did nothing for me. I’m aware that much of the country still hates Duke, but I can honestly say that I couldn’t care less about the Blue Devils. I’ll never root for them and, given the option, I’ll pull for the opposing squad. But, win or lose, it won’t make a meaningful difference. Although Coach K still fields a roster full of high schoolBuckets All-Americans and they still win at a clip most programs envy, Duke is pretty much harmless these days. And for Duke, “harmless” is basically synonymous with “pathetic” and I don’t spend much time hating pathetic people/things.

At the height of their influence and relevancy, I really loathed Ja Rule’s music and George Bush’s presidency, etc. Now? I find Dubya somewhat comical and I’d rather listen to Ja than Akon, I can tell you that. I’m not a “kick ‘em while they’re down” kind of dude. After a while, I wished 50 Cent would have just let Ja live and cringed when the crowd on The Mall booed Bush at Obama’s inauguration. Initially, 50 did us all a favor and made Ja go crawl under a rock. The things is, after Rule was effectively made a laughingstock, Curtis kept his foot on the poor clown’s neck. Unnecessary. Bush was a pathetic, irrelevant, powerless figure for months when he walked out onto the Inauguration perch. The boos and “nah, nah, nah, nah. hey, hey, hey. goodbyyye!” was an extra pile-on — the country had already signaled their disgust with a landslide election for a candidate that was Bush’s antithesis. Relieved of any type of relevance and cachet, pathetic figures, like Ja, Bush and Duke, engender basic ambivalence. I say that so matter-of-factly now, just a few years removed from the abhorrent J.J. Redick Days. To go from a deep-seated disgust — where I wished the program and its players everything just short of ill-will — to this nonchalant apathy is remarkable.

My Duke Hate had its genesis in 1989. My Pops was a Georgetown fan because, like many of his cronies, he was enamored with John Thompson the Fearless and Defiant Black Leader and he was awed with the very essence of Hoya Paranoia. I was just a tad too young to really dig the Ewing/Floyd/Graham Hoyas, but by 1988 I was ready to root. Pops had hipped me to “this young boy from Virginia that they say is the next Ewing.” He was talking about Alonzo Mourning, of course. So, still in middle school, I picked up the Sports Illustrated college basketball preview. “Here Come The Hot Shots” was the title. It had Billy Owens dunking on the cover. That freshmen class featured ‘Zo, Owens, the great Chris Jackson … and Christian Laettner. Laettner Christian vs. Georgetown 1989 Elite Eightwas from my hometown. Well, not Buffalo proper — he grew up about 25 miles southwest in Angola, NY. He went to high school, however, at Nichols School. Nichols was a smarmy, elitist, private prep school for a bunch of schmucks that certainly were all Duke fans. Around that time, if you grew up in Buff, you were fans of Cliff Robinson (of UConn and Portland fame), Marcus Whitfield (of UNLV dropout fame) and Ricthie Campbell (never made it to Syracuse, eventually involved in a drug shootout with the fuzz). Laettner was just some 6-11, prep school buster with floppy bangs. In fact, I was surprised he was even featured in a national magazine and didn’t know Duke from Drake. As the season went on, though, I grew into a pretty zealous G’Town fan and wanted nothing more than for them to get to the Final Four. It woulda happened, but those punks at Duke (Laettner, Danny Ferry, etc.) knocked my boys off in the Elite 8. Let the hate begin.

I’m no different than most of you. A good portion of my Duke Hate stems from the fact that they beat some of favorite squads. Jealousy? Yeah, I guess you can call it that. Unlike the NBA, I jumped from team-to-team in college. UNLV popped up on my radar on Super Bowl Sunday in 1990 when Chris Jackson lit them up for, like, 158 points in about a 10-minute span in the first half. But I also remember Larry Johnson and his gold tooth and middle-part, the squad’s black kicks, Moses Scurry growling when he grabbed a board, the way the team huddled after free throws. This was like some new, Public Enemy kind of college squad. When they marched through the tourney and mangled Duke in the Finals, I was smitten. I loved how LJ bullied the Duke big men and how Greg Anthony and Anderson Hunt frisked Bobby Hurley into diarrhea fits? They say Hurley had a stomach virus, but I think Anthony-Hunt intimidated the dude into bubble-guts. What happened next year, though? Right. Undefeated right up until Duke upset my squad in the Final Four. Depressing and angering. And it got worse. They repeated the next year by beating my favorite college team of all-time, the Fab Five.

Throughout these years, a motif appeared that lasted for close to 20 years: Duke as the Angels and their Brash Opposition as Devils. Back when LJ and the Runnin’ Rebs and the Fab Five were villains and the incomparable Kenny Anderson was supposedly “all flash, no substance,” Duke was lionized. And, yeah, I’m gonna go ahead and admit it: I thought America’s love affair with Duke — from both the fans and the media — had a conspicuous racial component. “Come on preppy, hard-working white guys that play the game the right way! Beat those black guys!” I even convinced myself that Coach K recruited stereotypes to perpetuate an image of being an anti-”black black” program. A squad full of white dudes and a few whitewashed black guys. Brian Davis, Grant Hill (as an adult, I realize he’s not whitewashed, at all), Thomas Hill, Jay Cornball Williams. I mean, did Coach KElton Brand and Kenyon Martin, 1998 even attempt to recruit a Chris Webber-type? Not like Webb would have ever went to that snark-factory to begin with, but I believed Coach K wouldn’t want him if he did, let alone Glen Robinson, Stephon Marbury or Jerry Stackhouse. Didn’t fit the Duke Mold. So I hated the Duke Mold.

Even as Duke’s physical makeup changed (from Elton Brand to Chris Carrawell to Corey Maggette to Carlos Boozer, Duke squads were becoming more diverse) and the rest of the country began hating Duke with me, knocking them off the consensus-public appeal pedestal, I still had this overwhelming feeling that this was an aristocratic institution. It was like Duke was a discriminating country club. As a teenager, I almost came to blows with my only friend or associate that had the audacity to be a Duke fan … from the hood. “You sellout,” I shouted. “What? You wanna throw Nelson Mandela back in prison, too?!” Crazy. But that’s how I was on it back then. If you rooted for Duke, you were like a pro-apartheid Afrikaan, to me.

Time changed things, though. First, the high school-to-pro and one-n-done trends made college basketball less and less relevant for us basketball fans most interested in the “best” basketball, which, we know, is played in the pros. Second, and maybe more importantly, Duke just didn’t hover over college ball in that hegemony role, anymore. And once J.J. Redick, the last true Duke Villain left — and got suitably humbled in the pros — Duke really ceased to incite. I remember being sick to my stomach in the summer of 2004 when news floated that Krzyzewski was being considered for the Lakers vacancy; but even Coach K had an endearing turn as the Redeem Team coach. “These dudes love Krzyzewski,” I kept thinking, last August. “So the man can’t be that bad.”

And now? I mean, can you really gin up authentic hate, rage, antipathy and rancor for that squad Duke trotted out? It was a mediocre starting lineup and bench full of lead-foot Opies. My younger brother and I scanned that bench and couldn’t stop laughing. It was like Krzyzewski was being a prankster or something. That’s when Scottie Reynolds and Dante Cunningham walloped them into glum, sheepish submission. And I watched it all without even the slightest sense of vindication. That’s when I asked myself, “Do you still hate Duke?” I guess not.

Vincent Thomas is a columnist and feature writer for SLAM, a contributing commentator for ESPN and writes the weekly “From The Floor” column for NBA.com. You can email him your feedback at vincethomas79@gmail.com or “follow” him on Twitter at @vincecathomas.

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  • Dre

    Yes, Lebron really did strongly consider UNC. Bro D, NC State is pathetic, you will dislike UNC because State is so pathetic. Unlike Duke UNC has had many black and white superstars. Roy does not go out of his ways to recruit tons of white players and have a few token blacks sprinkled around. UNC has Hansbrough but Roy makes no bones about mentioning that UNC does not win without the ACC player of the year Ty Lawson. D bro UNC sells more merchandise then any college they are far from the most hated. NC. State is the most unknown.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GJUGUYsm68 BETCATS

    click my name to see my emotions on this

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    .

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    just click the comment that says click it, not any others. I am exhasporating myself with excitement/wearing out my welcome quickly!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    @ BETCATS 5:21: How would you know that feeling, BET? ;)

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    because i remember the turmoil you put me and your mother through when you came out. You did the right thing though, i am proud of you regardless.

  • ab_40

    I don’t like duke now. and I dislike unc now because of one guy tyler hansbrough… I don’t think I could play for coach K everything he’s saying is either a bunch of jibberish or something I already know… and this year, seriously? greg paulus hahahaha

  • larrylegend

    Alaa Abdelnaby…also i don’t like k’s military approch to the game, that’s why i hate the spurs, too. dean smith 4 ever!

  • emoney12

    there is no reason 2 hate duke.

  • larrylegend

    but there’s also no to like duke

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    BET, you do know that my Mom reads this site, right?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Moose

    Just kidding. But thank you.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    why would i be worried that your mother would see me typing, i am talking to her right now, not kidding either

  • Matt M

    I definitely still hate Duke… the only thing that could have made the ‘Nova game better is if Duke would’ve lost by 2 and had their heart’s broke instead of being blown out… Tar Heel Blue all the way

  • http://nicekicks.com MeloMan13

    bcuz Seth is ther…yes

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    My one and only wish regarding Duke-related matters is that Bobby Hurley never had that accident in his 2nd NBA year….for shame that was a sorrowful event. He would have been the NBA’s figure-head of PG activity over the past 10 years!

  • drhamnc

    Great win for the Cats. An unheralded team that deserves all the credit they are getting now. Plus, with this first return to to the final four since thier famouse upset of Gtown, they have now established a pace that should land them in the final four at least three more times before the end of this century. As for Duke, no need to stop hating now, because you’ll just have to start it up again in a couple of years when Seth Curry and a top recruiting class arrive in Durham. Easy to forget that there was a 4 year span with no final fours in the nineties and an 9 year span with no titles, yet they came back…

    Oh, and while Duke did recruit CWebb, they must not have done enough; they just could not compete with the Ed Martin money that landed him at UM.

  • Devlz

    You can’t devote this much space, time, and effort to an article about Duke and claim to not hate them. Jealousy? Yeah, I guess you can call it that.

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    Gotta agree with this entire article. It describes the changes in my Duke feelings perfectly.
    I also had a friend in college who was an avid Duke fan. But, I think he just picked them to be different from the rest of the black guys. After all, he lived in the D.C. area and cheered for the Cowboys. Clearly, he wasn’t right in the head.

  • http://mindyourbusiness@getalife.com Allenp

    And that video was funny. I now hate Duke again. All I needed was a little reminder of why i disliked them.
    The insane nut riding that program used to receive, not to mention the boost they got from the refs, made it impossible for me to ever want them to succeed.
    Like somebody said, Duke can complain four “good” NBA players. That’s it.

  • Billy Dat

    I love the laundry list of reasons why my beloved Blue Devils are hated…let’s tick them off:
    -They win too much
    -They get all the calls
    -They are on TV too much
    -They are too white
    -They are a bunch of p*ssies
    -They have slipped into irrelevance
    -Coach K is an annoying, rat faced crybaby/bully who is vanilla in his commercials and Hitler-reincarnated behind closed doors. When he realized that the 1995 sucked, he faked a back injury and tried to have all of those losses taken off his record.
    -They players are over-hyped and never do anything in the NBA
    -They run a suppossedly clean program but cheat like everyone else with Chris Duhon’s Mom being given a job and Magette’s ties to Myron Piggie most often cited.
    -The school itself is full of rich, white country club trust funders driving BMWs who, if anyone was looking closely, could been seen routinely sexually assaulting the Durham locals.

    The best part is that all you haters are the reason why Duke is the #1 pick every time ESPN has a game they want to show, why seemingly innocuous Duke articles, like this one, show up all the time on web sites and in magazines…because like Howard Stern, those who hate Duke pay more attention then evn those who like Duke. Those games and articles get watched/read like no others – which just keeps the wheel spinning. By the way, in a Sports Illustrated poll this week of 300 D-1 players participating in the NCAA tournament, who do you think was the #1 coach they all hoped to play for, aside from their own…

    Keep hating, fellas…you’re filling Ks pockets, and keep Duke on the front page where it belongs.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Uhm…..Billy Dat…..who obviously doesn’t have a Duke education…..this reason you cited:
    “They players are over-hyped and never do anything in the NBA” is the main issue most of the readers here laugh at their program. And if you are a Duke grad or alumni(poor fool)…..they should revoke your sh*t for the first word in the quoted sentence and it’s relevance to the sentence structure. Dummy.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com BETCATS

    Eboy ftw

  • nbk

    Other then the 6 year old thing i was serious, calm down have a popsicle or whatever kids like

  • Double J

    May villainly reign supreme once more in the form of the young Seth Curry…

  • dubya816

    So what happens to John Wall, Xavier, and DeMarcus? Do they go to Kentucky or what? I heard Xavier doesn’t want to be at Kentucky but will they let him out of Memphis? Those Memphis players were sad because they know they suck now. Calipari is still a smug a-hole. He just doesn’t look like a motivator to me. Hot daughter though.

    Oh and on the subject. Duke isn’t harmful anymore. The only one I root for is Grant Hill and that’s only because of the wonders he has done recently for my fantasy and the Suns.

  • Hilarious

    Your words-

    … and Christian Laettner. Laettner was from my hometown. Well, not Buffalo proper — he grew up about 25 miles southwest in Angola, NY. He went to high school, however, at Nichols School. Nichols was a smarmy, elitist, private prep school for a bunch of schmucks that certainly were all Duke fans.

    To be followed with-

    And, yeah, I’m gonna go ahead and admit it: I thought America’s love affair with Duke — from both the fans and the media — had a conspicuous racial component. “Come on preppy, hard-working white guys that play the game the right way!
    Beat those black guys!” I even convinced myself that Coach K recruited stereotypes to perpetuate an image of being an anti-”black black” program. A squad full of white dudes and a few whitewashed black guys. Brian Davis, Grant Hill (as an adult, I realize he’s not whitewashed, at all), Thomas Hill, Jay Cornball Williams

    Double Standard Much?

  • DarkSideOfBlue

    Can I still conjure up the loathing, seething HATRED of Duke that I once did? Yes. But then, my hatred of them has never been based on a reverse-racist, Predominantly-white-team-Hater stance, so perhaps it is much purer.

    And I wouldn’t be averse to the entire Duke team going down in a plane crash, and laugh at the notion of the university being burned to the ground. Literally, arson, destroying Duke University.

    Yes: I still Hate them.

  • Leroy Corso

    You fekheads hate Duke because they’re too white. Period.

  • Leroy Corso

    This whole article SCREAMS reverse racism. And you know it. Or you would, if you weren’t a racist.

  • http://NONE Pete

    Amazing how racist you guys are. The hatred of white people in this article and in this thread is astounding.

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