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College Preseason Top 25: Nos. 20-16

A look at teams 20-16.

by Joey Whelan

As SLAM continues its countdown of the top 25 teams in the country entering the 2009-10 season, we examine a mid-major darling and a trio of reemerging Big Ten squads. While some of these teams look like solid locks to remain in the national rankings thanks to the return of already solid rosters, others will have to hope that their younger players continue to develop as expected in order to take on greater roles in the upcoming year. So without further adieu here’s five more to debate as the countdown to number one marches on.

20. Siena

Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us twice, shame on us. Fool us three times? Not going to happen. The Saints return seven of their top eight scorers from a team that has won an NCAA Tournament game in each of the last two seasons. This time, we’re on to Siena and they will be getting some preseason love as a top-20 team and a heavy favorite to run through the MAAC once again.

In the backcourt, Fran McCaffery’s squad loses Kenny Hasbrouck, but returns plenty of talent to ensure that his loss won’t be felt to heavily. Swingman Edwin Ubiles led the team in scoring at just under 16 per last season and finished third in rebounds. The 6-6 New York native excelled in transition last season, thanks to his quickness and solid handles, making him a well above average finisher when he can attack the rim in the open floor. Ubiles was also a fantastic scorer off the pick-and-roll where he was able to utilize his very strong mid-range game, knocking down plenty of open opportunities that he was able to create by reading the defense. The senior is definitely a big time scoring threat and not just against his mid-major brethren; just ask Ohio State and Louisville who got games of 20 and 24 points from Ubiles during the NCAA Tournament. The man responsible for setting up the midEdwin Ubiles-range extraordinaire and the rest of the Siena offense is back as well. Point guard Ronald Moore ranked ninth in the country last season in total assists, pumping out dimes at a ratio of 6.3 per game. While most will look at the now departed Hasbrouck and returning Ubiles as the offensive weapons that have made Siena a mid-major darling, Moore is without a doubt the man behind the wheel running the show. Not surprisingly, the pint sized floor general is at his best when he can get out and run in transition; while he may lack the ability to attack the basket and finish consistently, he does an excellent job of drawing and kicking to open teammates. What makes Moore such a valuable asset, isn’t the fact that he is able to draw additional defenders when he puts the ball on the floor, it is that he rarely turns the ball over when distributing to other members of his squad (see 2.91 assist-to-turnover ratio). Reigning MAAC sixth man of the year Clarence Jackson will continue to be an offensive spark plug, although will likely find himself doing it in a starting role this season. The 6-3 New Jersey native averaged a modest 8.3 ppg but did it in less than 15 mintues of playing time. He proved more than capable of putting up big numbers when his minutes increased too, just ask Manhattan and Saint Joseph’s who were on the receiving ends of a pair of 20-plus point showings. The backcourt will get one more additional boost from the arrival of Philadelphia combo guard Denzel Yard, a 5-11 scoring machine.

A strong, yet undersized front court will bring back its top pieces in the fall with the return of Alex Franklin and Ryan Rossiter. At just 6-5, Franklin doesn’t seem like the kind of player who would be an impact presence inside, but the 225-pound senior plays much bigger than his listed frame.  The Pennsylvania native is a smart player who knows who to use his body to create space and can take bigger post players off the bounce with a pretty good first step. More than just a “mid-major big man,” Franklin can hang with the elite frontcourts in the nation, including Louisville who outlasted a 19-point, 7-rebound showing from the forward. While Franklin is often on the wrong end of mismatches, running mate Rossiter is often the one creating matchup problems on the offensive end. The 6-9 power forward has a polished post game and can stretch defenders out with a nicely developing mid-range game. While the regular season was a rollercoaster of inconsistency for the Staten Island product, the final month of the season saw Rossiter record four double-doubles in seven games, including a 16-point, 15-rebound showing in the first round win over Ohio State. The Saints will add more size come the fall with the arrival of another New York big man, forward Oderah Anosike, who at 6-8 will be an inside and outside threat.

Life won’t be easy for Siena this season as teams aren’t likely to let the MAAC power sneak up on them anymore, but the Saints have the talent and experience coming back to ensure that they still rack up the wins again in 09-10.

19. Michigan

Not since the days of the Fab Five has Ann Arbor been gripped with this level of hoops fever. The Wolverines finished at .500 in the Big Ten for the first time in two years and won its first NCAA Tournament game in over a decade. Oh yea, they also return their entire roster save for a pair of little used seniors. Year three of the John Beilein regime should absolutely prove to be the best so far as Michigan has a shot to land somewhere in the top three in the conference next season.

Guard Manny Harris and forward DeShawn Sims may be the best returning duo in the conference, after each earned All-Big Ten honors at the end of last season. Harris was the only Big Ten player to finish in the top ten in the conference in scManny Harrisoring, rebounding and assists after a sophomore campaign that saw him emerge not only as one of the best players in the conference, but as a big time pro prospect. The junior is an excellent athlete who really excels when he can attack the basket off the dribble either in transition or in isolation situations on the wing. The biggest knock against him right now is his need to develop a left hand. He rebounds the ball very well for a guard thanks to his size and length, hauling in nearly two offensive rebounds per game last season and finishing a good number of those for put backs. Sims emerged as a second-team All-Big Ten performer as a junior after two underwhelming seasons. The 6-8 power forward posted very strong averages of 15.4 points and 6.8 rebounds, all while showing an offensive arsenal that is quite versatile for a player naturally inclined to play inside. Sims can knock down the mid-range jumper and even step out beyond the arc on occasion thanks to a pretty smooth shooting stroke for a big man. The in-state product has a good post up game thanks to his soft hands and can face up against slower front court defenders and take them to the basket.  This stellar duo averaged over 30 ppg together last season and will once again be a headache for opponents.

The Wolverines return a plethora of youngsters to the backcourt to join Harris. A trio of sophomores, Zack Novak, Laval  Lucas-Perry and Stu Douglass. These role players will be a major key to the continued success of Michigan. All three put up a handful of double digit scoring performances during the Big Ten schedule and with Novak and Lucas-Perry being solid perimeter shooters; they will need to take advantage of the attention defenses will pay to their star studded teammates. Even with so many guards returning to the roster, it’s no surprise that Beilein is bringing in two more backcourt players in his 2009 recruiting class, given the coaches history for perimeter play. Combo guard Matt Vogrich is a quick athlete who is a good slasher but has an excellent stroke from beyond the arc as well that will make him a nice kick option for his teammates. Los Angeles point guard Darius Morris has great size for the position at 6-3 and is a very good penetrator with the ball in his hands.

While this team will certainly feature a very guard oriented offense, there will be some young bodies inside to help Sims in the frontcourt. After taking a medical redshirt during his freshman season due to surgery on his hip, seven-footer Ben Cronin will make a return to the court after appearing in just two games last season. While he still has a very long way to go, with 265 pounds packed onto his frame, he will be a big body that can eat up space. Incoming freshman Jordan Morgan and Blake McLimans will get some early minutes as well, particularly McLimans who is a 6-10 forward with range out to the perimeter, the type of big man that Beilein absolutely loves. Morgan is built much like Sims, standing at a very solid 6-8 and 240 pounds, he will bring some added toughness and a rebounding presence to the Wolverines rotation.

The Big Ten will once again feature more than a handful of 20-win teams next season, but Michigan will likely finish near the top of the standings and with some breaks here and there could finish as high as second in the conference.

18. Oklahoma

Following last year’s act in Norman isn’t going to be easy. The Sooners won 30 games – third most in program history – and made an appearance in the Elite Eight. Making things even more difficult will be the departure of the Griffin brothers to the NBA (you may have heard of Blake) and senior guard Anthony Johnson who graduated. Still, there is reason to be optimistic in Oklahoma thanks to the return of a pair of standouts from last season’s squad and a Willie Warrentop flight recruiting class that features several players who will make an instant impact in the Big 12.

The OU backcourt will be brimming with energetic young talent, beginning with sophomore Willie Warren who would have been a first round selection had he opted for the NBA Draft. The scary thing about the 6-4 guards game is that he tends to excel as a scorer in nearly every offensive scenario, proving to be most effective in transition and isolation situations where he can take advantage of his tremendous athleticism and excellent first step. Warren, though not a deadly three-point shooter, shot a very respectable 37-percent and showed he can light it up from time to time beyond the arc, like the 7-for-11 performance he dropped on Arkansas. Tony Crocker will be back for his senior year and will need to become a more consistent scorer this season in order to help fill the void left by the three departed contributors from last year. The 6-6 two-guard played his best basketball during the month of December before seeing his production take a dip in the new year. He did however show some impressive flashes late in the season, including a 28-point explosion against Syracuse in the Sweet Sixteen. The Sooners will get some added firepower to join their two veterans with the arrival of All-American Tommy Mason-Griffin and sharpshooter Steven Pledger. Mason-Griffin is an excellent point guard, possessing a solid build, great court vision and strong handles that will make him a perfect running mate for Warren when those two are on the court together. Pledger will help to stretch defenses given his 6-6 frame and extensive range that reaches well beyond the three-point line.

All of the questions in Oklahoma will center around the frontcourt, where the loss of Blake Griffin will certainly be a tough one to fill immediately, but head coach Jeff Capel signed a pair of capable replacements. Arguably the most intriguing recruit in the Big 12 this season, Keith Gallon will be the player expected to step into the role that was held by the number one overall pick in the NBA Draft this past June. The Oak Hill product is a tantalizing combination of size and skill, standing 6-9 and weighing 290 pounds, but having the quickness and range to operate on the perimeter when faced with slower big men. While it might be a lot to ask of the freshman to post the kind of numbers that Griffin did last season (22.7 ppg and 14.4 rpg) he certainly has the potential to emerge as an top flight player in the conference in his first season. Joining him inside will be another wide body in Brewster Academy’s Andrew Fitzgerald, a 6-8 240-pound power forward with a fantastic post up game. He isn’t a stellar athlete, but in situations where Gallon can help pull a defender to the outside, that should give Fitzgerald the room to operate in an isolated post up situation.

Sooner fans shouldn’t necessarily be banking on another 30-win season in 2010, but the loss of Blake Griffin doesn’t spell a rebuilding season either. Capel and co. have reloaded and will once again be one of the better teams in the Big 12 and will find themselves competing in March again.

17. Minnesota

Tubby Smith has done wonders in Minnesota, turning the team into a relevant program again on the national scene. In just two seasons at the helm Smith has guided the Golden Gophers to a pair of 20-win seasons and their first NCAA Tournament in three years last season. He has also helLawrence Westbrookped to reestablish the school as a recruiting power in its own state, helping to add more firepower to a team that already returns all but one player from last season.

Senior guard Lawrence Westbrook will be back to anchor the backcourt after leading the team in scoring last season with 12.6 ppg. Despite standing just 6-feet tall, he possesses the quickness and athleticism to be a consistent scoring threat last year, particularly during the early part of the Big Ten schedule. The Chandler, Arizona native is at his best when he can get out and run in transition as well as breaking defenders down and shooting off the dribble. With a young team returning next season, Westbrook will once again be looked to lead the Gophers on and off the court. Top playmaker Al Nolen will be expected to facilitate the offense once again as a pass first point guard; no one is expecting him to put up big scoring numbers (reached double-figures just seven times in 33 games). The undersized junior is at his best when he can isolate defenders, beat them off the dribble into the lane and then kick to open teammates. Taking a look at the numbers, a very high percentage of Nolen’s drive and kick attempts are converted, hence the 2.5-to-1 assist to turnover ratio last season. Gunner Blake Hoffarber saw his shooting numbers plummet last season, but if he can return to the type of form he showed during his freshman year (42.7 percent from beyond the arc) Minnesota will have a weapon that help stretch defenses and allow things to open up in the middle for their bigs. Of course the player that Gopher fans will have their eye on is incoming freshman Rodney Williams, one of the highest touted newcomers to the conference this season. At 6-6 and possessing explosive athleticism and finishing ability, the New Hope product has the potential to emerge as a stud in his first season at the college level.

Damian Johnson will be the top returning forward to the frontcourt next season, though he isn’t even close to being the player with the most upside. The 6-7 Louisiana native spent a good amount of his time spotting up on the perimeter last season, though was at his most effective running the floor in transition and posting up inside. Only a small percentage of his touches came on the block, but despite this and his slight frame, the senior does an outstanding job of finishing regardless of what side he turns to. Towering sophomores Ralph Sampson III and Colton Iverson showed a lot of promise in short bursts during their introduction to the Big Ten, particularly Sampson who had a few double-digit showings during the conference schedule. Tubby Smith signed undersized power forward Royce White as well, a 6-7 athlete with a tremendous motor. He shows some developing versatility and a promising jumper, but for the time being will be a player who gets a lot of his buckets around the rim due to his hustle.

With five seniors on the team next season who suffered through a tumultuous 9-22 season as freshman, the Gophers will have the type of leaders who have dealt with losing and will be eager to ensure they don’t experience that again. The team will still be young, but expect a third straight season with 20-plus wins from Tubby and co.

16. Ohio State

What does 22 wins + returning your top four scorers equal? A top-20 ranking for Thad Matta’s Buckeyes. Sure, former blue chip recruit B.J. Mullens has departed for the NBA, but let’s be honest, the 7-footer really wasn’t a major factor in Ohio State’s success last season, especially down the stretch where he was extremely inconsistent. What OSU does return though is a nucleus of four extremely gifted players that will make their backcourt the most versatile and arguably to most dominant in the conference.

For starters, there is swingman Evan Turner; if you think there is a better all-around player in the Big Ten at this point, you’re wrong (no offense Kalin Lucas). All the Chicago native did during his sophomore campaign was post averages of 17.3 points, 7.1 rebound, 4 assists, 1.8 steals shoot better than 50-percent from the floor and connect on 44-percent of his three-point attempts. Do I need to continue? Turner is at his best when he can put the ball on the floor – something he does essentially every time hEvan Turnere is isolated – and while he is an excellent finish around the rim given his size and athleticism, he shows nice touch on his pull up jumper as well. This is the season that the junior will emerge as a potential first-team All-American candidate. Turner’s top running mate in the backcourt last season was Big Ten Freshman of the Year William Buford. The local product is a tough match up for any defender given his 6-5 frame and stellar athleticism. The Buckeyes liked to run him off of screens quite often last season and he excelled in these situations as he doesn’t need much space to burn a defender to the basket. He also showed a pretty good stroke from beyond the arc given the high volume of shots he attempted from this range in his first season. Speaking of range, shooting guard Jon Diebler is back for his third year of action having emerged as a lights out option from deep for the Buckeyes last season. The Ohio high school hoops legend attempted nearly as many three-point field goals as he did two-pointers and hit a scintillating 41.6-percent from beyond the arc. Given his propensity for draining anything and everything once he steps across half court, it should come as no surprise that over half of the shots attempted by Diebler last season were either in spot up situations or coming off of screens. The Buckeyes will gladly welcome swingman David Lighty back to their rotation as well after the junior missed all but seven games last season due to a broken foot. Prior to the injury the 6-5 Cleveland native was doing a little bit of everything, scoring, rebounding a high rate for a perimeter player and playing excellent defense at the other end of the floor. Lighty first showed promise a few years ago, getting spot time during the Greg Oden days, but now will have the chance to really step into his own and be a major contributor if he is fully healed.

The frontcourt will be a bit thin this season with the departure of Mullens, but having perimeter players like Turner and Lighty will certainly help on the glass. The Buckeyes will need a big season out of junior Dallas Lauderdale, a 6-8 255-pound power forward who posted modest numbers in a fair amount of playing time this season. Lauderdale has shown promise in spurts, but will have to accelerate his development at a high rate in order to hang with some of the more talented frontcourt players in the Big Ten. OSU fans will also get their first real look at Nikola Kecman who missed the early part of the season due to an NCAA ruling about his time spent playing with a pro team in Serbia and then suffering a season-ending knee injury after just one game. The 6-8 forward can shoot from the outside a bit and will provide another strong frame to help on the glass. Little used center Kyle Madsen may see increased minutes next season as well with the Buckeyes looking like it could be frontcourt my committee. Don’t expect a ton of production out of the OSU bigs, especially on a team with so many talented perimeter players, but if the frontcourt can rebound and play defense, all will be well for Thad Matta’s squad.

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  • Jakob Kagel Posted: Aug.6 at 6:13 pm
    like siena at 20, very detailed good rankings here… come read mine http://collegebasketball247.blogspot.com/2009/07/2009-2010-pre-season-top-25.html

  • JesseG Posted: Aug.6 at 6:23 pm
    Ohio State fans…..You guys will be surprised and happy with how much game Nikola Kecman has. I watched him play just about every game at Eastern Arizona College. He doesn’t look like someone who can dominate and score easily, but he can when given minutes. He is very skilled.

  • Ken Posted: Aug.6 at 6:41 pm
    Geez…does this mean the Terps aren’t in your top 25?

  • Joey Whelan Posted: Aug.6 at 6:51 pm
    Sorry Ken no Terps, and I’m a Maryland alum too. I just don’t think they have the consistent supporting cast that Vasquez needs. I like Milbourne a lot, but he hasn’t really stepped up as a regular number two option in my mind. The bigs coming are talented but unproven as of yet, and no one else on that roster has been a consistent scorer in their time at Maryland. I think they are close though, I would put them in my next five out maybe.

  • wayno Posted: Aug.6 at 7:06 pm
    Go Michigan! It’s awesome to finally see them playing well again.

  • d Posted: Aug.6 at 7:17 pm
    nice write up, but… kelvin is playing football now and is no longer on bball ship

  • Holy Baller Posted: Aug.7 at 12:15 am
    I think OU is going to shock some people with how good they’re going to be even without the Griffin brothers. They’re a lot deeper than most Big 12 teams.

  • Logues Posted: Aug.7 at 12:31 am
    lets go sota baby!

  • Justin Walsh Posted: Aug.7 at 11:23 am
    Holy Baller OU is good, but not deeper than KU, KSU, UT, Baylor, and possibly T A&M depending on how the sophomores fare

  • A Posted: Aug.7 at 1:29 pm
    There is an error in your info. Kelvin Grady is no longer with Michigan Basketball. He has decided to play football for Michigan. Darius Morris will be fine though as a starter.

  • Kevin Posted: Aug.7 at 10:30 pm
    I agree with Holy Baller, OU is going to shock a lot of people

  • toasterhands Posted: Aug.8 at 12:08 am
    *Austin Johnson In regards to Meechigan, good stuff. However, last I heard Jordan Morgan suffered a possible season ending injury during the spring. This hurts the team quite a bit as McLimans, while talented, is probably a year or so away from being able to play bigten ball, the kid is skinny as all hell, (but can shoot the ball) The key is Cronin. As a rather slow 7 footer, it’ll be interesting to see if he ever can fit in. He needs to because besides seniors Sims and Gibson the team is awfully small, but in a Beilein system it’s not exactly a big deal.
    Anthony Wright- A 6’6 forward who loves to shoot threes, expect him to play PF in a pinch if need be. Had a solid game against Oklahoma in the 2nd round last season. Overall the team is very deep in the backcourt but notsomuch in the front court. Exactly how Beilein likes it. Team should be able to go 11-7 at worst in big ten play.

  • Bryan Posted: Aug.8 at 10:13 am
    I’m guessing that Michigan will drop out of your top 25 now that everyone pointed out a bunch of things that got them to #19 are false? ” they also return their entire roster save for a pair of little used seniors.”
    Actually they lost:
    CJ Lee who played in 35 games, started 14 and played 16.4 mpg.
    Dave Merritt who played in 35 games, started 14 and played 13.6 mpg.
    Kelvin Grady who played in 32 games, started 8 and played 17.9 mpg.
    Jevohn Shepherd who played in 30 games, started 5 and played 9.6 mpg.
    That’s 41 starts and 57.5 mpg. Not sure that’s little used. Jordan Morgan suffered a knee injury that will probably derail his season and always battled being labeled “soft” in HS. Never once heard him described as tough. FTR, I’ve seen him play in at least a dozen games. “and with Novak and Lucas-Perry being solid perimeter shooters” They both shot 34.4% from beyond the arc. Most Big Ten teams return a lot and a bunch add a lot more than Michigan. Michigan tied for 7-8th last year and the league will be improved almost across the board. I guess anything can happen, but it’s unlikely Michigan gets in the top 3, let alone #2.
    JMHO.

  • eds2009 Posted: Aug.8 at 1:35 pm
    Go Michigan!!! I think it’s great that they are playing well again, and I think this year will be no exception to that rule. I was so proud of them last year going into the tournament and putting it to Clemson. I really hope that Manny Harris has another great year, and at least stays in college for a while rather than doing the stupid thing and running off to the NBA.

  • Quail Posted: Aug.8 at 6:42 pm
    Kentucky #1!!!!!!!!!! : D

  • Joey Whelan Posted: Aug.8 at 11:27 pm
    @ Bryan, just a couple of comments in regards to your post. In all, the team is losing 57.5 minutes out of 200, that’s still a ton of time that is returning. In addition, the two seniors I mentioned who were little used combined for 23.2 minutes, that’s barely 10% of the playing time, making the term little used accurate in my opinion. I’ve made the correction on Grady, I admit that was an over site on my part. As for the perimeter shooting of Novak and Lucas-Perry, those two have good range and even though the percentages don’t scream lights out, a lot of that has to do with the volume of shots taken as well. I stand by my assessment of them being solid perimeter shooters.

  • Bryan Posted: Aug.9 at 11:55 pm
    Joey, a couple comments back at ya.
    Your 23.2 minutes and 10% are just a waste of time and covering tracks because the premise is wrong. UM lost more than that, that’s what has been pointed out to you already. Let’s use numbers that mean something, like the real loss, 57.5 minutes. See how your “barely 10%” turns into over 28% in reality????
    BTW, two things for ya A) 34% 3pt shooting isn’t solid…and.. B) If you want to throw percentages out the window, Stu Douglass is considered the best long range shooter on UM. :)

  • TADOne Posted: Aug.10 at 6:01 pm
    Bryan: Joey is correct, but maybe he just used the wrong choice of words. CJ Lee and Dave Merritt did start most of the games in the backcourt last year, but UM ran a 3 guard set with Sims playing center. CJ Lee was a former walk-on whose greatest asset was his bulldog defense. Laval Lucas-Perry is actually better than both and was a recruit that transferred from Arizona. Incoming freshman Darius Morris is highly regarded and may come in and start from game 1. Add in the fact that UM will actually be starting a “true” center and Sims will be back at his natural 4 spot and UM is much improved. I didn’t even mention Manny Harris yet, who will be 1st Team All Big Ten and battling for Big 10 player of the Year honors and possibly All american honors this season. Manny has been playing all summer against NBA and top college players and will be much improved. If you ask me, UM should be ranked higher.

  • TADOne Posted: Aug.10 at 6:10 pm
    You are correct about Stu Douglass, however. He is the best perimeter shooter. Novak isn’t far behind him, though. The percentages are skewed because Beilein’s offense revolves around the 3 point shot and they shoot a ton of them.

  • Mike Posted: Aug.10 at 10:30 pm
    Yeah go Gophers! By the end of the year I think a top 10 team if Iverson and Sampson improve inside. Tons of talent at every position now, they run 13 deep. Joseph Nolen and Bryant at point, Westbrooke and Williams at SG, Bostick, Hoffarber and Johnson at SF, Mubake, White, and Carter at PF and Sampson and Iverson at C.

  • Bryan Posted: Aug.11 at 1:12 am
    Tad, no offense, but LLP was not better than those two. That’s why Beilein played both more down the stretch, or is Beilein just not very smart?
    LLP came to UM WAY over-hyped and touted as the answer at PG. Didn’t happen, he couldn’t take care of the ball, D-up, or shoot. If he was better Beilein would have played him down the stretch. In the last 3 games (their biggest stage) Lee and Merritt combined for 116 minutes, while Beilein saw fit to play LLP 25 total minutes. That tells you all you need to know, IMO. BTW, Morris is highly regarded? By who, UM fans? A quick look through Scout and Slam Magazine’s 2009 rankings shows a lot of highly regarded players headed to the Big Ten, but no Morris. Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana and Michigan State all have multiple players on those lists. Why is a guy that Slam describes as “still a bit raw, particularly with his ball handling and ability to create his own shots” going to elevate UM more than all the more highly regarded players that other teams are bringing in?
    The Big Ten is getting better almost across the board. Michigan could move up, but it’s not a given.
    The UM hype is over the top:
    34% 3pt shooters are solid.
    Morris is highly regarded and starts from day one.
    LLP is better than guys playing ahead of him.
    UM returns everyone but a couple scrubs, while the rest of the BT does nothing.
    Manny will be BTPOY. Geesh, you’re right UM should be #1. But I thought you said Joey was correct? Why does he have Minnesota, OSU and I’m guessing Purdue and Michigan State higher? How high should a middle of the pack Big Ten team be rated?
    Always funny when fans overvalue all their returning and incoming players, while undervaluing other teams players and their own outgoing athletes.
    C’mon now. FYI, the POY award usually goes to the best player on the best team. I think there’s a reining POY on what looks to be the best team in the Big Ten. You do realize that the top 4 scorers in the Big Ten (Turner, Lucas, Battle and Coble all were ahead of Manny)are returning, right?

  • TADOne Posted: Aug.11 at 12:45 pm
    Bryan: Hey, i’m a UM homer and I will readily admit that. LLP had to sit out the first few months of last season because of the NCAA and their transfer rules and wasn’t allowed to even practice with the team. So yeah, coach Beilein wisely started the seniors because they knew the offense the best. No surprise their. Lot’s of college teams start seniors over highly regarded players because of their knowledge and maturity. It doesn’t mean those players are better. I stick by my statement that LLP is better than those two. As for Darius Morris, depending on what site you want to look at, his ranking was what it was. All recruiting sites have differing opinions. I’m not telling you that Morris is better than most incoming freshman, i’m telling you that he had interest from Texas, Kentucky, USC, Stanford, Washington, Wash. St, and Oregon St. USC, Wash St, Oregon St, and UM offered scholarships. So yes, he was highly regarded. Also, John Beilein was the one who was quoted as saying that Morris had the talent to start from his first game. So that wasn’t me, that was the coach. As for UM’s ranking below those other Big 10 schools, that is Joey’s opinion and I respect it. You can look at 10 pre-season rankings and have 10 totally different lists. I just personally gave my opinion. Manny Harris was also completely my opinion. The fact is that he is pre-season All Big Ten. If you ask anyone, they will tell you he is UM’s best player and one of the top players in the country. He could of went into the draft and been a 1st round pick. So yes, I think Manny can battle for the Big Ten’s top player award. That is not disrespecting any other player, that is just my opinion.

  • Bryan Posted: Aug.12 at 12:52 am
    Tad, you should have stopped after your first sentence, that says it all, and exactly what I was trying to point out. BTW: A) Manny returned because he knew, like everyone but you apparently, that he would not have been a 1st round draft pick. B) Your LLP theory is cute, problem is that it isn’t true. When LLP started playing for UM he was getting 25-30 minutes a game and was put in the starting lineup, but down the stretch he lost his starting job and was playing under 10 minutes a game by tourney time. Sorry, but that’s fact. C) Morris was offered by UM, Washington State, Oregon State, Portland and Wyoming. A bunch of teams that aren’t exactly tourney regulars. The rest was interest/backup offers, which translates as dozens of kids that will never go to school X. I know, I know Highly regarded is your opinion, and I guess compared to what UM usually gets, he is. But to upper D1 schools he’s not. Probably not much sense in continuing this, like you said you’re a UM homer and that skews your ability to look at this realistically. The hype and hyperbole really is kinda funny.

  • Matt Posted: Aug.21 at 3:44 pm
    According to ESPN Darius Morris is ranked #11 PG and top 100 player in the nation and rivals has him logged at #13 pg and top #75 player if that isn’t highly touted? then what it is. He is the highest rated PG coming into the BIG TEN this year on all scouting services. He had scholarship offers from Kentucky USC Standford Arizona Marquette CAL Washington St. Oregon St with heavy interest from Texas Boston College UCONN. Those mid majors offers were recorded when he was a sophmore in high school. According to interviews he wanted to have chance to start and contribute right away what better place than Michigan whose PG are out of there.

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