Wednesday, March 10th, 2010 at 2:57 pm  |  72 responses

In Defense of Brittney Griner

It’s time to stop maligning the young freshman.

by Ben York / @bjyork

“Did you see that girl baller drop that other girl the other day?” My friend not-so-intelligently asked me. Obviously, he was referring to Baylor’s freshman phenom Brittney Griner punching a Texas Tech player on March 3, 2010.

I nodded, and began to state how disappointed I was that the whole incident happened. I spoke with a morose tone as if I had the right to critique Brittney Griner as a young woman. We conversed for a while regarding the fallout after the punch, how it reflected badly upon women’s basketball especially with such a supreme talent like Griner, and how there is no excuse for something like that in the game. TBrittney Griner & Jordan Barncastlehen, I had somewhat of an epiphany – I realized I have no room to judge or ridicule Griner.

And neither do you.

Was the physical act of punching another player wrong? Yes, and I’m certain many people would agree with that sentiment. Is the continual violent treatment of Griner by opposing teams wrong? Absolutely, and neither one justifies the other. But a human being can only take so much before they lose their cool. Typically, the younger you are the quicker this will happen; such is the case for Griner.

Dwight Howard of the Orlando Magic undoubtedly knows what Griner is going through. He’s spoken many times about how close he is to going off on another player at any moment due to the beating he takes each game. Like Griner in women’s basketball, there aren’t many players bigger than Howard in the NBA. Hence, he becomes an obvious target for opposing defenses. In a game against the Indiana Pacers this past December, Howard and Magic head coach Stan Van Gundy expressed frustration after the game for the Pacers extreme physical play. “If you’re going to continue to hit him around the head and grab him around the neck, look I don’t care, those are flagrant fouls,” Van Gundy said after the game. “I don’t care who you are, you’re only going to take that for so long. It’s absurd what’s going on.”

Opposing teams have little choice than to be physical with Howard, and the same goes for Griner. They both are so dominant in their respective leagues that other teams simply have no answer. Thus, they become as physical as possible with Howard and Griner in hopes of getting them out of their game. But how much of this can a player take before they have to defend themselves?

After the punch, people around the world (including many members of the media) labeled Griner as having no self control and chiding her for her decision to escalate things. They looked down on her and questioned her resolve. Admittedly, I was guilty of doing the same thing initially. It wasn’t until I took a long look in the mirror and reflected upon the way I handled similar situations in my basketball playing days that I realized how hypocritical I was being.

Sometimes in life, there comes a time when enough is enough and defending yourself becomes necessary; it doesn’t matter where or when. Watching that Baylor vs. Texas Tech game, it’s no secret Griner was getting hammered in the paint all day. When Jordan Barncastle sort of threw Griner to the side with a hip-check, Griner snapped. Completely lost it. Couldn’t take it anymore. Granted, punching someone is clearly not the right way to go about making a point, and I felt badly for how blindsided Barncastle was.

But this has been brewing for a while now. This type of physicality against Griner has happened all her life. She’s always been dominant, always been bigger than everyone else. In fairness to her opposition, I suppose I would’ve done the same thing to combat Griner’s almost unstoppable game.

Still, I can’t help but wonder how I would’ve handled that situation. Would I have thrown a punch? I’ve played basketball at many levels and in competitive rec leagues for almost 10 years. For those who have also played at a high level, you know there are some people who are out there simply to hurt you; they just want to fight. I understand basketball is (and should be) somewhat of a physical sport, but every so often there is a point when a message needs to be sent; a time where you need to stand up for yourself. Again, resulting to physical and intentional violence is never the answer. I’ve gotten in people’s faces, had some grudge matches, and shoved my share of people; not because I’m a dirty player, but because it was time to let the other player know I’m not taking that stuff any longer. It was time to send a message.

The problem with Griner’s punch was that it was the wrong type of message. It came across as petty and unnecessary. Barncastle didn’t want to fight, she was trying to help her team win and bodying up Griner was one of the ways to do that. I wouldn’t have had any problem what-so-ever if Griner got into a shoving match or some words were exchanged. That’s part of basketball and part of competing at the highest of levels. It happens. In fact, those types of instances usually unite a team and provide a player with a sense of resiliency.

But before you label Griner as a dirty player, as uncontrollable, or as a recluse, take a look at yourself. What would you have done in those circumstances? Continue to get hit all day? At what point is enough truly enough?

Griner now has two ways to handle this situation; either come out of it a more dedicated and honorable player or continue to let the physical treatment get to her head. It is my sincere hope she does the former, since the physicality of play will only increase with the level she plays at.

Look, I don’t agree with what Griner did. Not at all. I’m just saying that before you turn your back on her; make sure you know for a fact that you would’ve handled the situation differently. Go to a rec league, play some ball, and try not to become so frustrated that a thought like that doesn’t cross your mind.

Until that happens, ease up on Brittney Griner.

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  • LA Huey

    Good article.

  • primo45

    Finally someone spoke their damn mind and just didn’t critize for her action. I use to play post and it was annonying when people would just foul and be extremely physical because they couldn’t stop you. You could only take so much before you snap. It happens time to time.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    Thanks, @LA Huey.

  • LivesInTheRealWorld

    I agree. I am amazed at how many people don’t see it like that. At how many are taking a “holier than thou” attitude.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    I totally disagree with the punch, but it does bother me that so many people have labeled her as a thug. Couldn’t be further from the truth.

  • erik

    i agree with this article. When the whole thing first started, i was not surprised. Being from Orlando, and watchin magic games, ive seen how Howard, and even shaq back in the day was treated because they were the biggest player on the court. I was not surprised to see Griner react that way, not cuz shes dirty, but even though she’s a 6’8 basketball monster, she’s still pretty much a dang kid, and i think people need to understand that too. HOpefully she comes out a smarter player after this. good article homie

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @erik – Thanks much.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    The Barncastle girl tried to throw Griner down after beating on her all night.
    I thought the punch was bad because the other team, not because it was an warranted escalation.
    It wasn’t an escalation. Why is a punch different from slinging someone to the ground? Why didn’t the Barncastle girl expect Griner to retailate after she just physically attacked her? Did she just think Griner should suck it up and get beat on?
    If you’re going to cross certain lines, you can’t expect other people to abide by the rules, you just can’t. Once Barncastle decided she was going to violate the rules to help her team, she should have understood that somebody else could violate the rules as well, and go even further than she did.
    Griner shouldn’t have punched the girl because that was the whole point of pounding on her. The other team wanted to frustrate her and make her react. Her punch only benefited them, even if it might have felt good for a minute.
    The people lambasting Griner are losers.

  • riggs

    i dont feel bad for barncastle at all, the chick was laughing on the bench after the fact, and it wasnt a oh its not that serious kind of laugh but a mission accomplished kind. I dont condone the punch but to act as if this barncastle girl was innocent and what she was doing the WHOLE GAME was fair is incredibly stupid and i just shake my head at all the talking heads on ESPN

  • http://www.hoopsvibe.com/features/overdribbling chiqo

    barncastle sort of threw griner? a bit of an understatement there, right? i didn’t have a problem with her punching her. if it were a men’s game it would have been almost expected. when is the last time you saw a dude get thrown to the ground a just sit there looking sad about it? the players we respect and admire at least stand up for themselves and let the other player know that they ain’t having it.

  • Chris BigD

    Griner is fugly and so was her play. No excuses. Should’ve gotten a harsher suspension. Zero tolerance has lost its merit. She hit someone who was not even facing her. Cheap shot. And I can comment on this, I’ve played sports my whole life..always been the biggest one. I used to get punched slapped and pushed all over the place. I’d just smile to the free throw line. Griner’s an animal.

  • Lando

    “competitive rec leagues”

    How oxymoronic…

  • Ryan

    I myself am a bigger guy, in high school I typically posted up on people 3-6″ shorter than myself and i generally outweighed them by a solid 30-50 lbs. I was punched in the side, slapped, tripped, thrown around by hips, elbows, and double teams. My coach told me this. “Talk to the ref, play your game, take the free throws, shut your mouth” The message was obvious fouls will be called, and it’s trying to throw the player off. Deal with it for the team. I’m not saying Griner is a thug, but 2 games is inadequate, stand up for yourself sure, chest bumps and the stare are great, but punches are encouraging further violence. I say 5 to ten games is fair. Two games sends the message that punches are fair game. If the next player throws a punch and gets a worse punishment, they can argue favoritism. Griner’s coach simply is looking out for the basketball team, not the integrity of the sport, the coach, not griner is the real villain of the story.

  • Ryan

    i’m noticing that many people apparently only watch part of the clip, no the whole game. Yes, barncastle is physical all game, in the circumstance, barncastle sidesteps and pulls her arm, which is caught up with griner. griner, is whipped around by her holding on to the arm, not a hand grip. yes, a foul should be called on barncastle, but here’s the thing, griner didn’t even have to go down. She wasn’t innocent of her going down. Look at Griner’s jersey, no hand grip, it was interlocked arms. In men’s ball, you lock arms with a guy he beats you, you get moved, you live with it. Griner apparently isn’t used to losing. She was off balance, and Barncastle moved faster. Look at the size difference. Barncastle can’t move Griner that easily or Griner wouldn’t be considered so dominant. Both should face a one game suspension for the incident with the arms(even though every game has those) if you want to punish them for rough play. But Griner threw a punch after that. Don’t defend Griner because it was defensive, there is a difference between street games(that we as mostly guys play, usually without refs) and NCAA sanctioned athletics. Focus on whether or not you would want your son or daughter to be subject to retribution outside the realm of the sport.

  • Ace

    Kudos to Griner for sticking up for herself. It’s only b/c she’s a woman that people give her such a hard time about it. What happened to the old school days of basketball when players were allowed to fight. Barncastle could have seriously injured Griner, making her just as “guilty.” She should just watch some old school games of the bad boys and learn how to play dirty right back without having to hit someone.

  • killahsham

    @chiqo the last time i saw a player get thrown down and not do anything was when Raja Bell clotheslined Kobe. Granted, there’s no way younger kobe reacts that chill. I honestly think Barncastle took things too far and got punished. I don’t condone it, but its a lesson learned both ways. Griner will have to learn mental toughness, and Barncastle learned what happens when you cross the line.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Good stuff Ben.
    I remember Shaq getting beat up on way worse than Howard cops today. I think Shaq just flipped some dude over his shoulder one time, slamming him to the ground.

  • OneStep

    What Griner will learn with experience is that there are other more subtle ways to retaliate. Being taller than everyone else means her elbows should be her weapon of choice. She needs to watch Shaq and Dikembe go to work. You can do a lot of “equalising” when you’re fighting for a rebound with a smaller or weaker foe. Dwight needs to figure this out too. That said, the refs need to do more to protect the bigs before things do get out of hand.

  • The Philosopher

    Not to promote violence, but the mean streak is good. Very good. Let the ladies know not to try to punk her. Maybe she will dominate. Not because of the punch, but because she has the beast in her. Damn, she ain’t no joke. Nice form on the swing for a 6’8″ girl

  • riggs

    one thing i do fault griner on is pretty much being the female KG and talking a whole lot of sh*t

  • jborange

    I think Brittney’s 2 game suspension is fair,because this is her first real offense.Also,Coach Mulkey-Robertson has said that there will be other things she will require Brittney to do to make amends for what happened.That’s good enough for me.This reminds me of the fight between Candace Parker and Plenette Pierson.First,Cheryl Ford got tangled up with Candace and caused an altercation,then the fight broke between Candace and Plenette,then after they were separated,Deanna Nolan tackled Candace.So three different Shock players went after her that night.People complained that Candace’s 2 game suspension was not enough either. They felt she was getting preferential treatment because of her star status and because she is the new face of the league.But I strongly disagree.Neither Brittney nor Candace have a prior history of fighting opposing players,and they are both big targets because of their height and because they are super talented star players.I think both Candace and Brittney’s suspensions were fair,and I’m willing to cut both of them some slack.But I do agree that there is a right way and a wrong way to handle the excessive contact and double and triple teams they will inevitably draw.And while I don’t condone taunting and insults,I don’t have a problem with players like Brittney and Candace talking a little trash. They have the talent,skill,and athleticism to back it up. Besides,trash talking is part of the game.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    @Hursty: Didn’t Shaq get body slammed by Charles Barkley once?

  • http://fdksjlf.com Jukai

    I’m 100% with Ryan on this one.

  • Bern

    Griner has been blessed with amazing physical gifts as have some ballers that have gone before…Jabar, Wilt, Shaq, etc. By virtue of those gifts they all had the responsibility to do the right thing.

    Griner didn’t do the right thing. She has been the defacto face of the future of women’s bball for several years. She had to know her responsibility and still acted the fool.

    Far better ballers than her have put up with far more abuse than she has suffered. Her actions are foolish and reflect a lack of character and discipline. It also reflects very poorly on Baylor and their coach, particularly in the rationalizations of her actions (like yours) they are advocating.

    You are making a major mistake in judgement to make excuses for her in any way. She should take a powder until next year.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @Bern – Many times throughout the article I stated that I didn’t agree with what she did. All I’m saying is that we should be careful before we judge her or label her as a thug.

  • Katie

    I understand that she is getting beat up and frustrated but nothing excuses sucker punching someone. That was a deliberate act. And no matter how you feel about her and what she was going through and how we should “step back and walk in her shoes” actions like that deserve consequences. She should have WAY more than a 2 game suspension. What lesson are we teaching our kids? I would have a lot more respect for her if I had seen or heard an apology from her as well. Not coming out and saying her actions were wrong makes people jump on her even more

  • Nate

    Obviously lots of Baylor fans reading this article. Could you be more one-sided?

  • jborange

    Katie,haven’t you read any of the articles on Brittney since the incident? She has publicly apologized for her behavior.And as I said in my previous post above,Coach Mulkey-Robertson said that Brittney will be required to do other things to make amends for what happened,though she hasn’t said what those things are.So she’s not letting Brittney get off that easily.Brittney is still a kid herself.She’s not even 21 yet,so she still has some maturing to do.She will learn the proper way to deal with the excessive contact.Even the judicial system doesn’t throw the book at a first time offender unless they committed a very violent crime.I’m not saying the judicial system gets it right all the time.As we’ve seen,they have made some decisions that were horribly wrong, regarding letting dangerous criminals out on paroll.And those decisions had tragic consequences.But this incident with Brittney is not nearly that serious.And I’m a Tennessee Lady Vols fan myself,but I’m not one-sided about Brittney or Candace.Neither one of them should have lost their cool like that,but I still think their punishments were adequate.

  • http://www.hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    @Joel- yeh he did one time. Flipped over his shoulder I think? Maybe that was someone else.
    I remember Charles throwing the ball at Shaq one time though.
    I don’t defend Grimer’s actions, but it sends out a warning message to her competition – don’t fu*k with me and expect to get it out. Personally, I’d be talking with the refs before every game, getting in their ear, as I assume the NCAA refereeing organistion would be. If nothing happens, start throwin’ ‘bows.

  • Sparty’s Law

    Actually, I’m allowed to judge and ridicule her all I want. She should be kicked out. Permanently.

  • CoachB

    @Ben York-excellent article, great points. I’ve also played all my life on all levels. Size wise I’m on the opposite end of the spectrum, but I’ve always been smaller and quicker than most of my opponents. They would resort to being “extra” physical with me and often times dirty. When I was younger I would retaliate similar to Griner. People that mimimize Barncastle’s role probably never played the game, or never stood up for themselves. I agree, I don’t condone what she did, but I understand….

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @CoachB – Exactly. Couldn’t agree more. I think some people believe I am excusing what Griner did, but that certainly isn’t the case. All I’m saying is that before we judge, ridicule, or paint her as an uncontrollable thug, we should look in the mirror.

  • Diesel

    Ben, you’re an idiot for this article and so is anyone agreeing with you. Its obvious that you can only site your rec league basketball IQ because if any of you played in high school or college you would know that what Britney did just isn’t acceptable. It’s drilled in your head from a young age. Part of playing organized ball is that you’re coached in your personal life as well. You’re taught to be respectable outside of school because the town and little kids in the community are looking up to you. You’re taught to dress nice on game days because you need to treat yourself and the game with respect. People play physical all the time. I played the 4 and 5 in high school and college. My response to someone getting physical with me was to get physical right back…AS IT RELATES TO BASKETBALL PLAY. Once, in my entire organized basketball career did it move beyond basketball play and that resulted in just a push /stare down. There is no excuse for turning physical play into a punch in the face…a sucker punch at that. I wonder if you and everyone else would be defending Britney if she was a man…or white. There’s just no way to rationalize what Britney did. I don’t doubt that maybe you and other commenters can relate because your rec league games have got heated…but that’s rec league and not organized ball. If you’re playing organized ball as long as she has, you’re taught to play above that. You play with control because the consequences are greater for you, especially for her.

  • http://n/a Smee

    Certainly there have been quite a few commentators pontificating about Griner’s so-called “thuggish” on-court behavior; but there have been almost as many that have adopted the line that, yes, her behavior was improper, but…–and then proceed to list all of the various reasons why her behavior was really justified. Because she has been the frequent target of fouling, because Barncastle was a big meany and had it coming, blah, blah, blah. I’m sort of dumbfounded by these specious rationalizations. Let’s put the incident in its proper context. Yeah, Barncastle fouled Griner. And yeah, it was a hard foul. But those who have seen the game tape (and not just the YouTube clip) realize that the game was a very physical one that refs had done a relatively poor job of controlling and, more specifically, that Griner had committed at least two uncalled fouls on Barnhart in the minute or so leading up to Barnhart’s flinging of Griner. As for the plea that this is Griner’s first offense and that, as a consequence, she deserves leniency–obviously, none of these folks are familiar with her high school play, where she had a well-deserved reputation as a hothead. Finally, let’s be clear about what she did. She threw a roundhouse punch and broke an opposing player’s nose. Anyone who follows hoops knows that equating this with a run-of-mill hard foul is patently ludicrous. Yes, basketball can be physical, but there is necessarily a bright line when it comes to throwing a punch. And if you don’t think such behavior has the potential to be serious, just ask Rudy Tomjanovich. A two-game suspension for Griner? She got off lucky.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ryan said:
    Focus on whether or not you would want your son or daughter to be subject to retribution outside the realm of the sport.
    If my son or daughter was engaged in dirty physical play, which is what Barncastle was doing, then I would tell them “you reap what you sow.”
    You don’t go breaking the rules, and then expect other people to only break the rules up to the point YOU deem acceptable.
    You don’t have that right. Once you decide you’re going to operate outside of the rules, you should expect to deal with whatever happens.
    There is this sentiment out there that it’s okay if you break the rules in one way, but once you cross a certain point, then it’s not ok.
    WTH
    Who gets to decide on that point? Is it mob rule?
    I was raised that as a human being you are accountable for your own actions. If you’re going to be willing to engage in violence, you should understand that it begets violence.
    Barncastle initiated violence, and the sports world is outraged that Griner retaliated in a manner that they didn’t agree with. That’s ludicrous.
    Griner should get the standard suspension for a fight, nothing more, nothing less. She failed at keeping her cool when she knew the other team was baiting her and looking for a way to neutralize her talent. That was her biggest failure. She has to understand that there will always be people looking to push your buttons in this world, self control is a must, particularly when you look like her.
    However, I don’t have a moral problem with the fact that she punched the other girl, and I don’t see it as a massive failing on her part that she reacted to being slung to the ground by squaring up and punching someone.

  • jborange

    Brittney should not be kicked out because it’s only her first fight.People may think that her suspension time should be longer,but kicking her off the team for good is too severe.Even in grade school they don’t expell a student for their first fight.Usually the student just gets detention or suspension.If the student gets into another fight,they get a longer suspension.School rules for conduct usually specify a certain number of fights or incidents that warrant expulsion,and I’m sure that colleges are no different.I’m sure the NCAA’s rules are specific about these type of incidents also.The types of first time offenses that would warrant immediate expulsion,is if the student brings weapons or illegal substances to school,or the student brings alcohol or drinks alcohol in school and so on.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Also, this whole idea of a “sucker punch” is ridiculous.
    Barncastle threw Griner to the ground, then tried to stand there all innocent without looking at Griner.
    Griner got up off the ground, walked over to her, and punched her.
    How is that a sucker punch?
    Should Griner have announced her intentions to punch Barncastle, then offered her an opportunity to defend herself?
    I’m starting to believe that many of y’all have never been in a serious fight because you’re operating by some unrealistic notions of how fights work.
    Plus, y’all are advocating “woofing” and chest bumping, like these wack, faux displays of toughness actually mean something.
    If you’re going to punch somebody, you punch them. If you’re not, you might as well keep your mouth shut and move on, not standing their jawing in their faces and telling how you would punch them and they are lucky you don’t.
    What type of fantasy, namby-pansy, crap is that? I’m not saying fighting is the right thing, but as someone who has been in dozens of fights from childhood to adulthood, I recognize that what Griner did was perfectly reasonable.

  • Papa Smurf

    Good article, Ben. This is a refreshing (and I think, correct) point of view.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @Diesel – Again, I stated several times in the article that I didn’t agree with what Griner did. I’m not sure what else to say.

  • jborange

    Bringing up the fact that Brittney was a hothead in high school makes no sense to me.Students are even less mature in high school then they are in college.How do you expect high school kids to behave? Kids have to learn that fighting is not the right way to solve problems,but we also have to have realistic,age-appropriate expectations for them.Of course,a high profile,super talented student-athlete like Brittney has higher expectations placed on her than most students,but she is still a teenager.The more discipline and maturity a young person gains over time,the better equipped they will be to handle these situations the right way.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    jborange
    Good points.
    So, do you advocate suspending Griner for the rest of the season for her punch?
    Do you consider her an ill-behaved thug? (Which is definite code speak.)
    People think two games wasn’t enough.
    Why?
    What is the proper punishment for a punch based on past history?
    I think Griner’s punishment is fine.

  • Ace

    @Diesel to answer the question yes I would defend Griner in the same situation if she was a man or white or both. I do find it interesting that you want to talk about whats right and wrong and respect but yet you like to call people idiots.

  • jborange

    I think Brittney’s punishment is reasonable.Besides the 2 game suspension,I think it would be appropriate for either Brittney’s parents or Baylor to pay Jordan Barncastle’s medical bills,and for Brittney to apologize to her in person(if their school/basketball schedules permit),or write a letter of apology to Jordan and send it to her at Texas Tech.I don’t know if that is part of what Coach Mulkey-Robertson is making Brittney do,because she did not give any details.If that is part of her plan,then it’s satisfactory to me.But I certainly don’t see any need for drastic measures in this situation.

  • Diesel

    @ Ben – I understand that you’re not condoning the punch, but trying to rationalize it by saying we’ve all been heated in rec league games doesn’t make sense. You’re comparing apples & oranges. College basketball is an organized, structured environment. College refs and the high school kid reffing your rec league games aren’t on the same level. College ref’s aren’t going to let defenders get away with mauling Britney. So you writing your story and making it seem like Britney is being abused on the court and everyone is ignoring it is ridiculous. And Britney isn’t the gentle bear you make her out to seem in your article. She dishes it out just as much as she takes it.

    As for Allenp – the lengths this guy will go to to defend a black person’s actions are ridiculous. I’ve been posting on slam for years and I would expect nothing less of him. You’re saying if someone crosses the line to violence they should expect violence in return? This is college basketball not the alley behind your house. If Britney is fouled she’ll get the call. If a girl hits her, that girl will get kicked out of the game. There are refs, cameras, announcers, coaches, and thousands of other people watching this game that would have said/done something if a player’s actions were getting out of control. And YES I would define a cheap shot as someone walking away not looking at you and you punching them in the face. You’re a joke…and my question about would you be defending Britney if she was white was posted just for you.

    @Ace – my entire point is it should never come to physical violence, not what’s right and wrong. I’ll call you names and you call me names all you want. If we’re playing basketball, shove me all you want to get position. Put a hard foul on me. But there’s no need for physical violence.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Smee
    You made a good argument until you got the point where you said equating a roundhouse punch with a hard foul is ridiculous, then compared what Griner did to what Kermit Washington did.
    Talk about hyperbole.
    First, to be clear, Washington was in the middle of scuffle when Rudy ran about behind him. Washington, fearing an attack, turned and threw a punch that changed his life forever. The damage he inflicted on Rudy, and the consequences he faced do not compare to what Griner did, or what happened to Barncastle. They just don’t.
    Secondly, your point that this was a physical game throughout, seems to be saying that Barncastle’s actions were just part of what had been occuring. I disagree. She purposely tried to sling Griner to the ground. That wasn’t bodying up for a position, that was a malicious foul, and her reaction after she commits the foul is damning.
    I have not said that Griner should skate without punishment. I have also repeatedly noted that she failed her team and herself when she threw that punch.
    But not because it sullied the female game, or because she showed her true “thuggish” colors as some folks would like to say. No, she failed because she has been the target of malicious fouls for much of her career. She has to understand that those fouls are how mean-spirited true “thugs” seek to even the playing field against her in a behavior that is tacitly approved by game officials. She has to understand that there will always be people who try to push your buttons and get you to react because they can’t compete with you on a level playing field. That’s what she has to understand, and two game suspension will teach her that lesson.
    I”ll ask you the same question, I have asked others, what exactly would you like to see happen? A lifetime banishment? The end of her season?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    So, when that chick was all over ESPN for repeatedly punching, kicking and fouling folks during a soccer match, was she immediately kicked out of the game for her actions? Were the officials magically there to protect the other players from harm?
    I refuse to let Barncastle be cast as an innocent victim beat down by some out-of-control thug.
    She was fouling Griner because he couldn’t compete with her. She tried to throw her to the ground because she couldn’t defend her. She used back-alley tactics to even the score in a game that she would have lost had it been played purely on skill.
    When Isiah Thomas and Bad Boys did it, they were villians. When Pat Riley had the Knicks and Heat use the same tactics, they were also called villians by the basketball media.
    But, when Jordan Barncastle and her teammates use those same tactics, the same media and the same fans want to tell Brittney Griner she should just suck it up and play. Then a punch is compared to back alley tactics, but when Larry Bird hauls off and socks a player in a game, that just a heated competitor.
    Makes perfect sense.
    In fact it makes perfect sense that you would interject hypocrisy in a argument. It makes perfect sense that you would interject race into an argument, as you did in your comment to Ben York, and turn around and accuse me of trying to defend Griner because she’s black.
    I don’t think Griner is being attacked just because she’s blacked. I think she’s mainly being attacked because she’s tall, lanky and looks fairly masculine. And Barncastle does not.
    That’s why so many of the comments about this incident have involved crass comments about Griner’s looks. That’s why people have been so quick to call her a thug. If Candace Parker or Alana Beard had done the same thing, the complaints wouldn’t be the same. But, Brittney Griner doesn’t look like them, and she doesn’t invoke the same feelings in the public that they do. So when she punches a girl, it’s a whole different ballgame.
    But you keep living in your fantasy world where your comments actually display some sort of deep insight and intellect. I’m sure it’s quite comfy there.

  • Diesel

    They should suspend her for the season just like the college football player last year. Suspending her in two meaningless games and then letting her compete in the tournament for a championship isn’t teaching her anything.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ben York

    @Diesel – This has nothing to do with race/gender.

  • Diesel

    Once again Allen you chose to see things only the way you want. From what I can remember it was BILL LAMBIER and the villan Pistons. The white bill lambier was vilanized, not isiah. Nice try though. That white soccer player last year, was there an article anywhere in the press trying to defend her actions like we have here? Don’t even get me started on analyzing someone’s comments. You can skip commenting for a couple of days and I’ll just fill in for you..Blah blah blah black people are always the victim and never wrong blah blah blah..site an article from 1960… I’m more racist than anyone I complain about…blah blah blah. DONE

  • Diesel

    @Ben – I know it has nothing to due with race – but the reason Allen choses to defend Britney does.

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