Wednesday, March 23rd, 2011 at 12:13 pm  |  16 responses

How Bad is the Big East?

Are they the itty bitty East?

by Eddie Maisonet, III / @edthesportsfan

From what started as 11 entries from the Big East Conference into the 2011 NCAA Tournament has quickly whittled down to just two teams (UConn and Marquette) in the span of 96 hours. The detractors of this “super conference” seem to feel justified after watching Pitt, Notre Dame and Syracuse each bite the dust in their own gruesome fashion. Then Charles Barkley came out and made the proclamation heard ’round the nation…

So is the Big East the “its bitty East” as the Round Mound says they are? Let’s break this down into the parts Barkley brought up…

1) Is the Big East top heavy?

Considering the fact that the 9th (UConn) and 11th (Marquette) ranked teams in the Big East are the only ones still standing from the Big East in the Sweet 16, it’s tough to say. Those 11 teams that made the Tournament had at least .500 records in their conference, so loading up on some wins on the bottom feeders isn’t out of the question. Only two teams in the Big East had road wins against out-of-conference teams with higher than No. 6 seeds, want to guess which two? UConn and Marquette. And, with no real emergence of an elite team, the Big East teams usually just beat up on each other, with the talent level not differentiating that much from the top-11 teams in the conference. Which leads me to my next point…

2) Does the Big East lack talent?

After perusing Chad Ford’s ESPN lottery machine, I scanned the list for Big East talent. Only until I got to the end of the Lottery — to the 13th pick — did I find UConn’s Kemba Walker coming off the board. In comparison, the Mountain West has two players (The Jimmer, Kawhi Leonard) being drafted in the Lottery. Start thinking about who some of the other best players in the Big East are… Marshon Brooks? Losing squad in Providence. Jeremy Hazell? Losing squad in Seton Hall. What about Ben Hansbrough? When Hansbrough was at Mississippi State, he was a sixth man and clear role player for a middling SEC team. He transfers to Notre Dame, a system that utilizes shooters and plays no defense, and voila! Ben Hansbrough’s a star on the Fighting Irish. Its not a diss on Hansbrough, but it is a joke that he was voted Player of the Year over Kemba Walker. Maybe it’s smart coaching…

3) Does the Big East have the best coaching?

Off the top of my head, I can name the following coaches: Calhoun, Boeheim, Pitino, Dixon, Brey, Cronin (because I live in Cincinnati), Thompson the third, Huggins, Lavin, Wright and The Buzz (only because he’s being considered for the Oklahoma job). Coincidentally, those are the 11 programs that made the Tournament. I couldn’t name more than four coaches for any other conference, trust me…I tried. To Barkley’s point, and it’s a good one, the talent in the Big East is hardly ever overwhelming. Yet, time and time again we’re sold these teams that have stellar records, we see them on television all the time, (genius move by the Big East having the relationship with ESPN) and the East Coast Bias is in full effect. The success of these coaches in the Big East is quite commendable, but are any of them better than Duke or UNC’s coaches?

Bad luck (Pitt), close losses (Villanova, Louisville, West Virginia), beating themselves (Syracuse, Cincinnati), or getting the brakes beat off of them (Notre Dame, St. John’s, Georgetown) all contributed to the Big East’s failure; however, let’s not act like the rest of college basketball was that much better. This is what happens when you put 16 teams in a conference (plus, get ready for team No. 17 with TCU in ‘11-12) you have the opportunity for more teams to succeed.

Conclusion: The Big East was full of pretty good teams, none of them great. In many respects, the Big East was like the SEC in football — didn’t have to play anyone out-of-conference, never really had to prove themselves, thus building up pretty good records along the way. Difference? No one in the Big East really has anyone like Cam Newton, and there isn’t a team nearly as dominant as Auburn.

-ETSF

Eddie Maisonet is a freelance sports writer, blogger and big time hoops fan from Oklahoma who currently resides in Cincinnati. Keep up with Eddie at SLAMonline as well as his blog Ed The Sports Fan and on Twitter.

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  • logues

    “noone in the big east really has anyone like cam newton” kemba walker? arguably the best player in the country?

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    Kemba (in pic): I CAN’T FIND MY THUMB!!!

  • Dan

    How can you be a writer for this website and not know more than 4 coaches in any other conference other than the big east?

  • MyAfro

    ed,

    i think it is all reputation. back in the big east heyday of patrick ewing, chris mullin, billy donovan, mark jackson, rick pitino v1.0, that conference stood out tall.

    this year was nothing more than a bcs-style money grab. each of those teams bringing in the loot for the conference even though they weren’t the most deserving.

    the irony is that marquette probably would not have been included had the big east been limited to its top 6 teams. but that doesn’t mean that all 11 deserved to be there.

    they got in based on past glory. steve lavin getting st. john’s to simply a winning record was good enough for the tv networks to lobby for their inclusion.

    i believe the criticism of the big east is deserved. calling themselves a super conference doesn’t make them so.

    but they took home the cash x 11, so all-in-all it was a great experience for their respective accounting departments.

    thanks,
    ken

  • http://www.twitter.com/edthesportsfan Ed The Sports Fan

    @logues – I’m not hating on Kemba, but do you think he can get them to a title game?
    @niQ – Too funny LOL.
    @Dan – Sue me.
    @MyAfro – I agree with you 100%. In 2011, the Big East won with getting 11 teams in. They lost because they didn’t show and prove, they’ll probably never get 11 teams in again for awhile.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Charles Barkley is usually wrong!
    But this time I doubt it.
    @Ed – Well written, but sorry, Dan is right. Can’t name four coaches from the Big Ten, ACC, SEC, Pac-10 or Big 12?
    Word?
    Step your game up or change your banner to “Hoops Perspective From A True Sports Fan…Unless It’s College Hoops”.

  • http://www.twitter.com/edthesportsfan Ed The Sports Fan

    I guess you all don’t know sarcasm around here lol

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    They all deserved to be there. That’s what makes the tourney so dangerous, you gotta be hungry all the way. The Northern Iowas’, VCUs’, Richmonds’, George Masons’…they’re out there. Plus one and dones kill team chemistry. Those senior teams got that last hope in em. Shout to JPullen. That dude was killin em’. Toronto bound?

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Sarcasm doesn’t translate well when written.
    If that was sarcasm on your part, I apologize.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    What happens if Marquette and UCONN advance to the Final Four? I surmise the knee-jerk media and bloggers will then opine the BIG EAST is once again the best conference in men’s college basketball. Seriously, you could start this Tourney over, and it would be different Big East teams (perhaps more) advancing throughout the Tourney. That’s just how it is when it’s one and done, which makes it exciting.

  • bigslim31

    It wasn’t sarcasm man. He said “trust me…I tried.” That isn’t sarcastic. Meanwhile I just went through the Pac10 in my head (I live in North Carolina) and could name all but WSU and Oregon’s head coaches. You live in CINCINNATI and can not name more than 4?!?!?! Not the Big 10? BIG 12? SEC? ACC? WHAT? See, this is why people don’t pay attention to ESPN or writers. We just read to see someone else’s opinion then go on about our lives. And it was a JOKE that Ben Hansbrough got Big East player of the year? Go find another job man, this one requires some basketball knowledge and viewing.

  • http://www.edthesportsfan.com Ed The Sports Fan

    @Enigmatic – Its all good homie. *daps*

    @bigslim31 – You all are funny….I didn’t know you all cared that much about coaches. If I would’ve known you cared so much…well, I still wouldn’t care about the damn coaches. LOL

  • bigslim31

    @Edward – You set yourself up for that junior. Its not that we care much about coaches necessarily, its just amazing the people they let write on here. If you can’t name 4, you need to go little buddy.

  • http://slamonline.com zoom

    In fairness, a lot of Big East teams have knocked out other Big East teams…and Duke got smacked as the no.1 overall seed!!! Suck on THAT Tom White!

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    The 2010-11 Duke team would NOT have been a top 4 team in the 2010-11 Big East. Just sayin’!!!
    LOL

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    After Marquette rolls UNC tonight, can “we” then ask the question, How BAD is the ACC? rofl

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