Friday, August 19th, 2011 at 2:48 pm  |  34 responses

Chinese Government Mad at Basketball Team for Fighting With Georgetown

While many of us were entertained by footage of the wild scuffle between Georgetown University and the Bayi Rockets yesterday, the Chinese Communist Party didn’t take the incident so lightly. From the NY Times: “[Even] if Beijing has come to believe that gold medals are lovelier than bronze, senior leaders here are clearly displeased that players from its most popular men’s basketball team got into an ugly, full-court brawl Thursday night with the Georgetown University Hoyas. It does not help that the melee took place on the second day of Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s first official visit to China. The violence, captured by amateur video cameras and broadcast around the world, occurred during the final minutes of a ‘good-will’ match between the Georgetown Hoyas and the Bayi Rockets, a team whose members are drawn from the People’s Liberation Army. In the video, a Rockets player can be seen ramming guard Aaron Bowen through a partition and pounding on him with fists as he sat on his chest. Before the Georgetown coach pulled his men off the floor and called the game quits, Chinese players and spectators threw punches, folding chairs and full bottles of water. With that, the match officially ended in a tie, 64-64. But even as members of both teams met Friday morning at a Beijing hotel to make peace, the country’s propaganda maestros were trying to ensure that the brouhaha did not find its way into the national psyche. Censors quickly deleted videos and chat room comments, although by evening, the restrictions appeared to be easing. In a country prone to nationalistic sentiment, most microblog remarks were surprisingly critical of the home team, a once-reliable champion that has in recent years fallen off its pedestal after losing some of its best players to retirement. … By Friday afternoon, many of the players seemed to agree. After flying to Shanghai members of the Hoyas and the Rockets shared the lobby of the Portman Ritz Carlton without any palpable tension. Asked about the incident, one Georgetown player shrugged off the contretemps. ‘Man, it’s just a game,’ he said.”

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  • Jer dawg

    Smh. At least China didn’t blame USA. These foreign diplomats always seem to point fingers at the other side.

  • http://www.yomamajokes.com LilKDub503

    That was ugly, but I’m glad it’s being resolved amicably. Surprise from the Chinese government.

  • bike

    It just got out of hand. Chinese officials may not have much experience in quick damage control for player altercations. Once the benches clear, it’s pretty tough to contain. Seemslike they also need to beef up the security since no good will ever come of fans hitting the court like that.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    We’ll see if things have been resolved or not Sunday…these two teams are scheduled to have a rematch that day.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Nevermind…rematch was canceled.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    “Surprise from the Chinese government.” What did you expect, for China to invade the United States and conquer the NCAA by military force? wtf?

  • John

    This incident was pretty bad, but lets hope the CCP doesn’t do something crazy like throw these guys in labor camps for “re-education”.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, that New York Times article is complete garbage. I’m tired of all this anti-Chinese media bias. The reporter quoted a f*cking MESSAGE BOARD POST from a guy who admitted being a longtime Georgetown fan. The guy on the message board said this:
    “I counted Bayi scoring two field goals in the entire third quarter. I don’t know what the count was, but I would not be surprised if they shot 45-50 FTs through three quarters, and we shot 6-10.”
    HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE? What the hell? But then the NYT reporter quotes this as fact, and writes this:
    “But one member of the Hoya entourage, in an anonymous posting on a chat board for Georgetown fans, blamed the Chinese referee for overzealously calling fouls on the visiting team — the Bayi Rockets were awarded 57 free throws, and Georgetown just 15.”
    Complete and utter bullsh!t, and he didn’t even properly quote the message board user. First of all, how does he get “57 free throws” from “45-50″? And how does a team get 57 free throws in a game where they only scored 64 points? Through THREE QUARTERS?
    The officials may have been bad, but NO ONE is stupid enough to officiate that flagrantly. My goodness..

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Teddy, you’re getting heated over a newspaper site quoting a Georgetown fan who cited a discrepancy in foul calls and free throws, which may or may not be legit?
    I’d hardly call that being “anti-Chinese”.
    Rather, the NYT were more likley desperate for quotes from someone, anyone, considering the only US member of the media that was actually present works for a rival publication.

  • John

    ^Good point. To be fair though, their media probably has just as much anti-Amurrica bias as our media anti-Chinese. It goes both ways.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Enigmatic: It’s sloppy journalism, first of all, to quote a message board user, but not only that–to MISquote the message board user and inflate his already-inflated, made-up number. 57 free throws? Come on. The record for most free throw attempts per game, in the history of the NBA, is 42.4, by the New York Knicks in the late 1950′s. That’s when the game was faster paced, and taking into account all four (12 minute, as opposed to 10 minute) quarters.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Well, strictly playing devil’s advocate here, for all we know it could’ve been true that they were awarded 57 free throws. None of us have seen the boxscore. And the Beijing News also blamed the brawl on poor officiating, according to the article.
    I do agree that quoting some random guy on a Georgetown basketball fansite message board is wack, though.

  • robb

    That’s good diplomacy. And yes, I think it’s kind of surprising.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    But even still, it’s insanely irksome that every article written by a mainstream American journalist–as long as it’s about China–just HAS to mention: “propaganda maestros,” “The Chinese Communist Party” (useful scare tactic), “censorship,” and some form of corruption like bribery or fixing basketball games.
    It’s a subtle but effective tactic used to instill xenophobia in the average American reader. And don’t give me that “They’re only talking about the government, not the people!” crap because they aren’t–they’re categorizing an entire nation based on the actions of a few. That’s what they’re doing.
    It’s as much a smear on the Chinese image as the dumb, baggy-pants, gun-toting, lazy delinquent thug is to African-Americans in the media.
    You wouldn’t believe how many articles published in the American press ACTUALLY try to link examples of unethical behavior to Chinese CULTURE. A few week’s ago, NPR ran an article on their site that claimed the plagiarizing of papers by Chinese scientists is directly related to Confucianism. wtf?! Oddly enough, they refused to mention that 10% of all scientific publications in the US are made by people of Chinese descent, despite comprising only 1% of the American population.
    I’m well aware that the Chinese government has many, many flaws. But do you really think the average reader will make that distinction between a foreign government and its people? Hell no! Hence the use of “Taiwanese” and “people of Hong Kong” to refer to Chinese people outside of the Mainland, EVEN THOUGH the United States does NOT recognize either of those lands as being independent of Mainland China. They’re the better, “freedom-loving” Chinese, as opposed to those 1.3 billion lying, cheating, Commie thugs.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Enigmatic: True, we haven’t seen the box score, and I don’t doubt that the refs were catering to the hometown team. But still… 57 free throws in 30 minutes for ONE team? That must have been like a six-hour thirty minutes… lol. That article wasn’t as bad as I’d initially thought, though.
    Anyways, I’m glad the two teams worked it out at least.
    This story does expose the true colors of American media bias, however. Either the Chinese are being portrayed as bullies and thugs who can’t fight/play fair, or it’s the American *black* players being thugs and p!ssing off their gracious hosts during a diplomatic game. What a joke.
    I don’t think the game had a big enough profile to warrant that much attention, but even still, it’s pretty apparent imo.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    I am sorry if I was on Georgetown or the dude getting stomped or beat down, it would not be over for me. I cannot root for Georgetown anymore, they some punks. It got out of hand, but it was not their fault. John Thompson acting like MLK, he need to get like Malcolm X, get your respect. The original John Thompson would have told his team to kick their ______. BOOK IT!!!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Apparently, unlike that kid from Georgetown, Seed would’ve had no problem whipping on four or five dudes, rushing him from all sides, all by his damn self.

  • riggs

    @the seed: i thought you was said in that other thread was incredibly stupid, but sad to see you reached a new low.

  • John

    @Teddy: Points well taken. But the Chinese govt does have an extensive history of censorship beyond typical nationalist propaganda that most publications in all countries are guilty of. (see hi-speed rail incident, Tibet, or any topic the CCP deems sensitive or embarrassing) So, the American media slant towards China isn’t completely uncalled for. But that alone cannot account for all the anti-China bias in our media. Another obvious reason is that China is kicking our behinds in dang near every measurable category, and like they say, “haters gon’ hate”.
    Your beef with the media portrayal of black Americans is also understandable, but the other side of the coin is the extent to which some liberal media outlets take apologist attitudes towards race issues and/or criminal activity to avoid being un-PC. (see black underachievement in schools, flash mob activity in various U.S. cities which wasn’t widely covered until recently, etc.) Taking either extreme will only further polarize audiences.

  • John

    Dang Seed, you show ‘em how to e-thug

  • Allenp

    Thanks for that conversation Enigmatic and Teddy.

  • BuzzerBeater

    Ugh, did I miss anything from the article? Where did it exactly say the Chinese government is mad? Did any official come out and say anything, or laid down any punishment?

  • http://slamonline.com Ugh

    Thanks Teddy and Enig for pulling heads from arseholes.

  • http://www.acb.com A l a n

    When the chinese government is in the middle, I believe nothing. I don’t see any european government saying a sh*t if Real Madrid or Man United go to China or vice versa and this kind of thing happens. It says a lot about Chinese government, and nothing good. I hate when governments tries to make people think the way they want.

  • Phillip

    It’s funny when people think that one person in the government represents the entire government. It’s true that their action is very important in giving the audience perception on the whole nation, but they’re still individuals who is capable to act according to their own understanding and choice. And so, there’re gonna be discrepancies here and there.

    I’m just saying, don’t jump to conclusion about determining people’s culture or government style. It’s just plainly unfair to put a biased label on either the US or China.

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    The Seed:
    A man of the cloth like yourself would try to make peace, no?

  • balla yo

    them n**gas was crazy yo…

  • http://slamonline.com YKNOT

    Say what you want but a picture is worth a thousand words. Inflated free throw numbers, horrible officiating, or not the entire team, coaches included, and fans pounced on a team of college athletes!

  • http://redoftoothandclaw.ca/ niQ

    @Teddy, I may be a bit late in this convo, but from what I’ve read, including Gene Wang’s (from the Washington Post who was there), all accounts pointed to the ridiculous freethrow numbers. Gene stated, “By halftime, Bayi had 11 fouls while Georgetown had 28.”
    According to ESPN, they said “Mex Carey, Georgetown’s sports information director, told ESPN.com that the game was “very physical,” with 57 free throws taken by Bayi to just 15 for Georgetown, and quickly spun out of control.”
    So while the referencing was wack (I agree), the inflated free throw numbers appears to hold true. The officiating was horrendous and awefully one-sided.

  • Heals

    Teddy – love the passion, but respect your perspective/insight even more. John and Enig props for elevating he discussion. Teddy your points are definitely valid, but I differ in that I think it is just lazy journalism as opposed to bias. niQ’s comment tells me that rather than bias; the writers used the info they had to fit a preexisting narrative. The officiating was lopsided, the crowd and players were hostile and the Chinese Gov’t will do anything to preserve (i.e. blocking out vid’s and info related to the event) their citizens’ self-perception. So rather than deal with it as an isolated incident US writers continue the preexisting narrative of “China.” Samething with your stance on stereotyping blacks – if it fits the preexisting narrative the story writes itself and the writer meets his/her deadline (and on to the next story to do the same). I’m not foolish enough to deny that US media biases exist, but I don’t believe it to be a unified, calculated agenda (not saying you do) against China; heads are just pressed to meet deadlines and thus convenience takes priority…

  • Dave

    i bet a georgetown team with Iverson, Mourning, Ewing, Dikembe Mutombo woulda whooped some asian ass

  • jody mack

    Teddy, stop. You know nothing about what you speak. The most free throws shot in an NBA is 86. The 42 free throws are an average for 82 games. Reports are the game was physical. I wasn’t at the game but I am glad no one was injured. The major issue is the stomping and throwing chairs. Yes ball in another country basketball is bias. Hell many say playing Duke is bias. Home team, home game, home calls. Was there a foul called on the play that started the brawl? All journalism is bias. It’s a person’s observation. Now tie into the equation an opportunity to beat the USA in basketball. It can create strange bed fellows and missed calls.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Max


  • That Dude

    Cosign BuzzerBeater, didn’t see anything in the article to indicate the CCP was pissed.
    @ Jody Mack – yes all journalism is bias but I wouldn’t call the NY Times writer using the term “Propaganda maestros” an observation. Teddy-the-Bear makes valid points, albeit a very personal and emotional response being that he is of Chinese descent.