Tuesday, August 21st, 2012 at 10:59 am  |  148 responses

Poll: 58 Percent of College Coaches Believe Players Should be Paid


by Eldon Khorshidi | @eldonadam

CBSSports.com recently surveyed nearly 100 college coaches, getting their thoughts on some of college basketball’s current issues. One question asked was, “Should college basketball players be paid, and if so, how would you compensate them?” The coaches spoke—anonymously, of course—and 58 percent believe college basketball players should be paid, while 42 percent disagreed. Some coaches had ideas for compensation—for example, providing the student-athletes with an end-of-semester stipend—while others simply wanted a change but didn’t have a solution.

Below is a complete breakdown of the poll, followed by some adamant opinions, all courtesy of CBSSports.com:

YES – 58 percent

NO – 42 percent

Suggested methods:

—Build compensation right into the scholarship package with a stipend at the end of each semester: 28 percent
—Players should be allowed to receive endorsement money (Olympic model): 20 percent
—Cost-of-living grants is the way to go: 12 percent
—Make leagues responsible for paying via their own profits: 8 percent
—Want change but don’t have a solution: 8 percent

Notable Quotes

“Absolutely not. They get free college, crazy amounts of free gear and glorified enough as it is. This isn’t pro sports, but if they get paid — even a small amount — it gives the players even more power than they already have. We would start to see more Dwight Howard situations at colleges.”

“Stipends are good. I think it would tough to start talking about someone’s market value.”

“No one is forcing these kids to play. College educations are already so expensive. In a lot of ways, they’re getting paid. I don’t think most schools can afford to pay basketball players, because then don’t you have to pay everyone else playing D-I? That’s not possible.”

“I would give them a piece of the money that the league receives for that league’s team making the tournament. For instance, if we make the tournament, our league gets money that is split between each school in our league. Some of that money should be given to the players.”

“I think athletes should be paid a few thousand a semester. To keep gender equity and Title IX out of the way, they should allow coaches to pay kids out of that sport’s summer camp fund. $2,500 or so per semester. That would be an easy solution for football and men’s basketball because the camps generate enough revenue. If not, boosters should be able to donate until each player receives the maximum amount of money.”

“Would be the possible way to eliminate lure of agents. Need to incorporate GPA and wealth level of family. Household income would be best way. Make the process similar to a college loan process — so there would be some hoops to go through. Maybe 500-1000 a month.”

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  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Holiday Slam won’t let me respond. This website is such a mess. There are non-full-ride athletes who have it even worse. I’m trying to explain the situation some of my teammates were gonig through, but no matter how i type it, it won’t go through.

  • pposse

    Huey, i think its relevant (some of it is far fetched…for dramatic effects). If my company was making billions, but now the bottom line is my company making millions (as opposed to billions), i am going to do whatever it takes to get back in the billions. Whether that means raising ticket prices, team merchandise etc etc.

  • bobbyD

    Yeah definitely pettiness or envy. You know, I have to so why shouldn’t they? But the thing is, they aren’t you. There’s no argument that student athletes are generating significant revenue due to their endeavours. Free education? It’s not free. I’d look at it as compensation in place of renumeration. As nbk mentioned it’s costing the universities a fraction of the revenue generated. A student that generates zero revenue for the university and has to pay for their education isn’t the same as a student athlete. As Allenp keeps reiterating, yes student athletes should be entitled to renumeration. How much is debatable, but the fact that they are shouldn’t.

  • http://slamonline.com Wayno

    Thanks, he’s good. They didn’t need to stitch him up. Now i just have to keed his hands out of his mouth.

  • FnF

    @AllenP, I’m indifferent on this issue. The current system won’t change unless professional leagues intervene. Because they are provided free scouting reports, player marketing (Tebow), and player development they are fine with letting the NCAA exist as is. Even if proleagues did step in, they simply aren’t big enough to make a difference. 62 NFL and NBA teams… 300 DI schools. The players worth paying at the college level most likely will get paid at the pro level. They rocked the crowds during open mic nights and got signed on the spot. The NCAA is too big to fail.

  • hillbilly

    @allenp My argument is poor? Maybe that’s because it’s not really an argument at all. Maybe you should learn how to actually read something instead of assuming that you already know everything. I was simply stating a fact. If you’re in college and you need money, go out and find yourself a damn job. If you’re not averse to hard work or getting your hands dirty, you’ll be just fine.
    Some of you guys are arguing that college athletes deserve to be paid because they’re bringing in millions of dollars to their respective universities. ‘OMG! It’s so unfair! These kids are being treated like slaves!’ Okay, let’s say you pay these student athletes a fair ‘wage’ for their services. Who’s gonna pick up the tab for that? Will it be passed along to other students (non-athletes) and their parents in the form of higher tuition? You bet it will. Life, believe it or not, is routinely unfair (and not just for athletes). So, you can cry all you want for these poor, pitiful kids who play ball, get treated like rock stars and rarely put any effort into studying something useful while they’re in college. I have no sympathy for them because I live in the real world where I work 60+ hours a week, saving lives for a living. I support my wife and kids, pay the bills, etc. That’s just what I do. What I DON’T do is play a child’s game and expect to be paid for it. But, I’m sure that’s just another “poor argument” from the uneducated working class, right? So, I’ll keep on living here in the real world and you can continue to reside comfortably in your own little fantasyland where everyone’s an entitled candyass. Fair enough?

  • http://www.fullc0urtpress.com KHOLIDAY

    @nbk, slam is trying to silence you huh? LOL! I went to a D-III my first year, so I know how it feels to bust my @$$ and still pay my own tuition. I finished out college at a D-I and still felt like I was killing myself, even with not having to worry about my tuition. I completely agree with you though. I’ve been on both sides of the coin and it’s work. Those non scholarship guys get it worse! Def hard work either way tho

  • http://bulls.com airs

    hillbilly
    you’re right, life isn’t fair and it sounds like you’re super bitter about it.
    though what you do is commendable, why are you entitled to belittle a professional athlete for doing what HE does for a living? thats just what they do.

  • bobbyD

    Yeah definitely “entitled” to be petty.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Pposse
    You sound like you’re arguing “Keep screwing the players because it’s easier.” I mean, when did that become the measure of how we conduct business?
    Hillbilly
    Your argument was that players should go out and find a job. The argument was poor because the NCAA and their schools regulate what type of job they can find, and strictly prohibit them from being paid to use their most profitable skill. That would be playing sports.
    You said you were in med school and became an EMT. Was that by chance, or was your decision to become an EMT tied to the fact that you were in med school? Did you decide to use the skillset you already had, your basic knowledge of several different sciences and burgeoning knowledge of medicine to get employed? Your example would have been relevant if the med school you attended said that no one was allowed to work as an EMT or nurse while in med school because that would corrupt their understanding of how to be a med student.
    That’s what the NCAA tells student athletes.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I think some of you don’t understand how much money is generated by programs at some schools.
    More importantly, some of you have appeared to misunderstand my argument despite how many times I’ve repeated it.
    Here it is again.
    Schools SHOULD NOT be forced to pay students. Schools SHOULD be allowed to pay students.
    They SHOULD NOT be forced to give students four year scholarships. They SHOULD be allowed to have that option available to offer.
    Basically, stop restricting athletes ability to get the best possible deal for their services from a university. The current system gives universities all of the power in the relationship and it’s done in an underhanded way and it does NOT protect students. That’s the NCAA’s stated mission here people. They are supposed to protect student athletes. The current system does not do that, which Wayno has already admitted.
    Again, who thinks the current system is the best system for athletes, or that it protects their interests? Somebody make that argument.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Hillybilly
    You seem angry.
    If the government instituted rules governing where doctors had to live, work and how much they could or could not get paid for their services, you would be understandably upset. This is America, and we’re not supposed to have laws that limit your ability to maximize the skills you’ve worked hard to acquire particularly when people place a high value on those skills.
    I don’t think running an investment bank is a skill that benefits most people in America. However, someone clearly values investments banks enough to pay their officers huge sums of money to do those jobs. I don’t think being the CEO of Apple is worth being paid $378 million annually in compensation, but the people at Apple do because that’s what the CEO made in 2011.
    If you don’t think being a basketball player is worth a lot of money, than you SHOULD NOT pay them a lot of money. But instead of doing that, by refusing to watch them or make their enterprises profitable, you instead argue that they should be restricted from making money at the college level. Because they clearly have enough and their jobs, no matter how much money and interest they generate, are not that important.
    That’s blatantly un-American. And I would wager you have a far different attitude when it involves just about everyone else who isn’t an athlete.
    Fans kill me. People pay a crazy amount of attention to sports, they argue and bicker over sports, they spend huge sums of money on sports, but then they say “Oh, well they shouldn’t be worried about money because what they do isn’t important.”
    Well your actions tell a totally different story.

  • bike

    Maybe I am missing something but back in my day an athletic scholarship to a well-respected university was highly coveted. Still is. Thousands of kids are killing themselves in high school and even in grade school to get to the level where they are good enough to play sports for a major college. It may be the only way they can get a college education. Isn’t that the dream of many an inner-city kid—to be able to get an education that he/she cannot afford by playing the sport they love? So I will grant that it’s tough for a student athlete in many ways but what is the actual ratio of the kids who were grateful for the opportunity against those that felt they got shafted?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I would imagine that many kids will be happy with not getting paid.
    I would imagine that other kids will want to get paid.
    And schools will decide just how important it is to them to attract top flight talent, or if they would rather stick with the model of not paying athletes.
    The NCAA doesn’t want that to happen. Hell, schools don’t want that to happen. Schools protested against the possibility of allowing four year scholarships. You know why? It wasn’t because of cost, it was because they felt that if a player got injured, not being able to terminate his contract would make it harder to compete athletically. ESPN reported this and even noted that Boise State was one of the schools make that argument.
    If a player is content with just an education, great for him. If a player would rather have that education AND a stipend, good for him as well.

  • Yep

    lol @ equating this to slavery. What a joke.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Kids are shown college athletes playing on TV and are told by their TV how fortunate those athletes are. When those kids get to college and realize life is no easier as a college athlete than it was before, and learn about how much money is being made off of them, they are likely to feel shafted or confused. Or they are likely to take something under the table. Which has happened thousands upon thousands of times in the past. before the internet revolution and widespread awareness of these situations became available the issue of how much profit was being made off of student athletes was largely covered up or misrepresented by universities and those that make money off of them. The world has changed, it’s ok for how we view collegiate athletics to change as well.

  • bike

    Wouldn’t giving schools the option to offer stipends require close monitoring by the NCAA? Is that what college athletics needs more of? Can you imagine giving someone like Calipari the option of attaching cash to a scholarship offer?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    It wouldn’t require any different monitoring than the current system. The current system says no money allowed and if we see money or evidence of money you’re in trouble.
    The new system would say that only a certain amount of money is allowed and if we see evidence of too much money you’re in trouble.
    Same system, same principles.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    @ hillbilly. Since you’ve completed med school, I was just wondering what your stance is on resident doctors being paid while technically still being students? Same goes for articling students.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    oh come on guys. playing college ball as a good player will get them their money after college. if they cant make it to the nba theyd still be able to earn more money than the average academic by playing ball abroad

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    no they wouldn’t

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Playing abroad does not yiel nearly as much money as people seem to think. Like 15 – 30 thousand a season for an average american player.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    @ danpowers, annually? Probably. But let’s not forget their window of opportunity to make a living as a professional athlete is what, 7 years on average and 15 years max?

  • http://www.slamonline.com AT

    I dont think its smart to give college students possibly millions of dollars.What should happen is they get a financial consultant for those that already have a future set in the nba.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    WHOEVER SAID TO GIVE THEM MILLIONS?

  • http://bulls.com airs

    Still don’t understand why ppl would be opposed to students receiving outside endorsement money.
    Someone please tell me how that wouldn’t work

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    @Da-Meat-Hook: as a professional coach, gm, assistant, scout, special trainer, etc you can still earn some nice money after a players carreer. @nbk: where r these 15-30k a year players going to then? over here in germany top players earn up to 500k a year and role guys about 100k a year. and germany doesnt have a very strong league compared to greece, spain or turkey. idk but i think it should be a little bit more than 15-30k

  • davidR

    hillbilly,
    it’s great that you save lives for a living, but why complain about how much someone else makes, or what they do? in this case (college hoops), there is a HUGE market and demand for the student athlete’s services, therefore they generate all that money. you say it’s a child’s game, yet they probably work just as hard or even harder than you do to compete at such a high level.
    also, i don’t know why you’re so angry/jealous. it was the coaches (you know, the ones that are ACTUALLY paid) that were polled, not the students (the ones in question). maybe you should read a little more carefully, cuz i don’t see where the students are complaining.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Dan, where are you getting those numbers? — I currently play on a team with a guy who plays in Iceland during the season – he makes no more than 75K. He’s a heavy minute player who i believe led his squad in scoring. — Another friend of mine just came back from the Netherlands to for an office job in the US that would start out at more money then he was making over there. And he’s making no more than 50K at his new job. – not that i don’t believe you about Germany, the economy is huge, a larger average salary over there would make sense. — And I wasn’t talking about top players, or top leagues, i was talking about average players in the average foreign league. I know they don’t make as much as you’d expect. Especially those guys in the Asian markets because of how heavily they are taxed to bring the money back to the US. — All of this, and most foreign leagues have a cap on American players per team, which means there are less jobs available over seas than one would typically expect for a former collegiate basketball player.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    i jus did some more research, my bad. i saw that vets normally get 50k over here per year even if they dont play much. top players earn between 200 to 500 k per year. but even those who earn 50k or less have a good living as the teams gift them cars n provide them flats n food so they could really save / invest some of their money opposed to an average academic who works for a company n has to pay for everything on his own. i also thought most european or asian countries pay more money because basketball is unfortunatelly not popular in germany and many countries got stronger leagues than we do. i hear you on what you stated, i really didnt expect this situation to be that difficult.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    if these guys were to stay overseas and not actually live back in the US their situations would be much better, because, as you said, the teams regularly pay for all expenses overseas. It’s just coming back home and dealing with taxes and normal bills that make the situation so difficult. ANd trust me, i thought they made way way more money then they did, and even said some totally ignorant sh*t to one of them about how much they were making. I felt like a total ass when he set me straight. This was a couple years ago, and i didn’t have the sense to discuss the situation, i just made a bunch of assumptions.

  • http://www.newyorkshockexchange.com/content/view/424/37/ Shock Exchange

    This is the equivalent of saying “sun should rise in the west.” It’s never going to happen, at least not in our lifetime. The NCAA knows that this very subject is a “pandora’s box,” once you open it, you can never close it. Secondly, decades ago, (i) athletes used to get paid to play for colleges and (ii) they played for multiple schools. Moreover, the NCAA went through several machinations to keep them from being paid and keep them from switching teams.

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    can imagine that this wasnt too much of a nice conversation. i am a bit suprised that it aint too easy for us college players overseas. then f**k what i said, let them get paid at college! lol

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Lol, not saying you shouldn’t pursue it, my boys had or are having a lot of fun, they just don’t get paid what I expected

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    sure i think bein a pro athlete is like living the dream even if it aint the nba. but when it is like this id really say they should be paid or at least be allowed to take endorsements like flats or cars by their teams. would be very difficult to make that legal in a reasonable and fair way

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    + though

  • http://www.nba.com/knicks danpowers

    by their college teams i meant. dang its late. im out, hve a good one

  • http://www.slamonline.com nbk

    Have a good one

  • That Dude

    Cosign everything Allenp has said. Preach it brother.

  • Maxx

    the death penalty in college athletics is for paying players, just as it was for run away slaves LMAO. the only sports dominated by black atheltes are the only ones generating money and somehow there is an issue in proper compensation for their fair market value. smh these boys NEED to be paid. this would advance the black community in a number of ways. PAY THEM end of discussion. they generate absolutely too much money for white owned and operated universities and cities for them not to see any of the profits. And mind u some of them still have to come out of pocket for their scholarships due to the short comings of their scholarship the NCAAP which is a weak and small players union has a pamphlet whichs spells all of this out. College Basketball and College Football is DOMINATED by black athletes, pay them dammit!!!!!!

  • theOracle

    they ARE getting paid. they are getting a college education for free!! college costs a fortune for most ppl. why should they get paid too? thats crazy. the divide between student athletes and the rest of the students is already there. this would create a lot more tension.
    the ONLY reason college coaches want players to get paid is too keep the good ones from going pro early. playing collegiate sports is a privilege, not a job.

  • Drew

    Why on earth should they be paid? They’re not soldiers, they’re playing basketball for christ sake. They get a free college education that should be more than enough. The world has gone crazy.

  • The Spaniard

    Wow! Tension between athletes and students? HAHAHAHAHA! Are we at the cusp of a violent civil war between jocks and nerds? Give me a break. Is working at the library computer lab as an IT Support Tech a “privilege”? The bottom line is this…athletes at certain schools are the primary generator of an enormous amount of income and they are restricted from receiving income from ANY source whatsoever while their coaching staff and athletic department can receive money from nearly ANY source whatsoever. Why? Because the people in control of of making the rules are the same people that directly benefit from this free labor setup. And some of you idiots think that this serves to keep sports “pure” from “recruiting violations” or is some form of legitimate capitalism. First of all allowing someone to receive money from a outside source IS the recruiting violation so that “issue” would be eliminated can secondly, go read Wealth of Nation and see exactly what Adam Smith has to say about allowing the masters of commerce and the wealth to be the rule makers at the same time.

  • WEASAL

    if compensation happens there is no more Butler or George Mason or gonzaga.
    although john calipari would not have to be bending over all the time…(Hey Anthony you dropped your wallet why don’t you come to kentucky)

  • Chris_Griff_3

    If they get paid, then they are technically professionals. Going to school is a choice. Not a job. If they want to get paid instead of going to school, overseas is an option.

  • Chris_Griff_3

    NCAA shouldn’t pay them, nor should the school, itself. Athletes should be allowed to earn money (and gifts), be it through an endorsement or whatever.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I don’t care how you allow them to earn money, just allow them to earn money.
    And if being paid makes you a professional, does that mean Missy Franklin can’t accept her medal bonus from the Olympics, or the training stipend from the Swimming committee because then she’s technically paid to play her sport before she attends college? I’m honestly curious because it appears that is not an issue.
    It’s also funny how often people denigrate the idea of being paid to actually play college sports, but have no problem with Coach K and Calipari and Lane Kiffin getting paid millions to COACH sports. Is there some bid difference in importance between coaching and playing?

  • CoachB

    College athletes DO get paid…it’s called a scholarship and can be worth $200,000!! Lets not forget that the top college athletes can also leave early & make millions. Oh wait, only men & only certain sports. This idea of paying college athletes is ABSURD and I say that having been one & coaching them. It’s the problem with our culture today. 5 yr olds with iPhones, 10 year olds getting allowances and paid for grades. It’s absurd.

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