Tuesday, October 19th, 2010 at 3:44 pm  |  28 responses

David Falk Q + A, Pt. 1

The GOAT of agents talks LeBron, collective bargaining and Worldwide Wes.

SLAM: I think most basketball writers are curious about his true role in it all.

DF: He’s an amazing networker. I give him all the credit. It’s his talent. If you have talent, you have to find a niche. I think Wes has a very engaging personality. He’s got a great ability to interface with people who are very wealthy and corporate, as well as players who are young and from the inner city. That’s a talent.

SLAM: There are very few people who can mix those two worlds.

DF: Absolutely. In a funny way, that’s how I’ve always viewed my role. My role was to try to marry the Hank Paulson’s and the head’s of Sara Lee and McDonald’s with my players. To introduce them, educate, get endorsements, jobs, post-career opportunities. My job is to be the bridge. Wes has told me many times personally that I was a role model, that I taught him what he knew. I told him I was flattered by that because he’s been very successful. People don’t expect that someone of Wes’ background can be successful. I think in our generation today, look at some of the guys in hip hop like Jay-Z and Sean Combs. There is a whole generation of people who didn’t go to college or Harvard business school but they have a great pulse on style and fashion and what is popular. Wes, although he is a little older than that, is of that ilk. He doesn’t have traditional schooling but he’s got certain talents.

SLAM: In the past you’ve said that guys like Kobe and LeBron should be making bigger salaries while average NBA players should be paid less. Can you talk about that?

DF: Say you’re LeBron James. You walk into the Cleveland General Manager’s office and say that after a lot of soul searching, I have decided to stay in Cleveland. How much can you pay me? The GM says, ‘I can pay you $120 million.’ LeBron says, ‘Gosh I would love to make $180 million.’ ‘Well, LeBron I’d like to pay you $280 million but because of the limitations of the max, we can only pay you $120 million.’ LeBron says, ‘Well, I really like it here, I’ll take the $120 million.’ LeBron walks out. Thirty seconds later Jerome James walks in. ‘I’ve averaged 2 points and 1 rebound the last five years. I’ve averaged about 30 games a year. I know you guys need a center because Z has some hip problems. How much can you pay me?’ ‘We can pay you the midlevel exemption. Five years for $40 million.’ So now you’ve signed LeBron James and Jerome James for $160 million. If Cleveland had their druthers, they would spend $158 million on LeBron and $2 million on Jerome. The fact that the League allows players like LeBron to subsidize players like Jerome is one of the great flaws of the collective bargaining agreement. The players have somehow been forced to revenue share. It’s sort of like the Robin Hood school of compensation — you’re robbing from the rich to pay the poor. And the problem is the fans don’t come to see the Jerome James’ of the world. They come to see LeBron. It’s like going to a movie and telling Will Smith, who we just met outside, you can’t make $30 million on this movie, you can make $18 million so Ashanti Cook (former Georgetown guard is an aspiring actor and was working on the commercial as an extra), who is a fledgling actor making $300 per day for doing this, could make $500,000. I think it’s the height of absurdity. Likewise, Chris Bosh is a very talented player, but I think it’s absolutely outrageous that Chris Bosh, LeBron James and Dwyane Wade make the same salary.

SLAM: Donnie Nelson told me that most NBA players plateau after their fourth season. That it takes a special player to continue to work extremely hard every year after that.

DF: There’s a lot of truth to what Donnie said. In my experience in 36 years in the NBA, one of the things that makes a superstar and you can go all the way back to James Worthy, Kareem, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Patrick Ewing, John Stockton, Karl Malone—you can go through a whole litany of those kinds of players. They’re chemically programmed to be ultra competitive. It’s the nature of their DNA. I think you could have paid Michael or Patrick $1 per year or $100 million per year and they would tear your heart out because that is what they’re programmed to do. That’s what makes them great. They’re not satisfied with being good or very good. They want to be the best. They come back every year with new moves and are more physically conditioned. I think NBA owners make a great mistake when they give long-term security to the second-tier players. Too many of whom don’t have that DNA and they get complacent.

SLAM: With the new CBA being negotiated, does the NBA Players Union keep agents like yourself up to speed on the happenings or do they deal directly with the players?

DF: In the old days I was extremely involved. I have been trying to schedule a meeting with Billy Hunter for the past two years and he hasn’t had the time to schedule a meeting with me. I stay in touch with Ron Klempner. If you think about it, and I’ve been saying this for 15 years—the union is the collective bargaining agent for the players and the agents are the individual agents for the players. They have a total commonality of interest. The agents want the union to negotiate a great deal that gives them rules that allows them to negotiate great contracts. The players want both parties to be on the same page. Again, I think this is one of Isiah’s (Thomas) legacies because Isiah had such an anti-agent mentality. He really separated the agents from the union during his presidency. At one meeting, one of my clients said Isiah walked in and said “You really have got to watch your agents. They are a bunch of bad guys. Now there are some good guys.” The example he gave was Lenny Elmore, who had been a marginal agent in the business, not very successful, much better as a broadcaster, much better as a lawyer but didn’t fair well as an agent. It was his backhanded way of slamming the establishment. To me, it was sour grapes because Isiah picked the wrong agent and never made a lot of money in his career. In the recruiting of Evan, he told Evan and his coach that I stole Michael Jordan’s money. Now, Michael Jordan’s a pretty smart guy. Do you think he would be my friend 26 years down the road? First of all, I didn’t even manage Michael’s money. Then he came out and said he saved Michael Jordan millions when he was President because he lowered agent fees to 4 percent. I told people publicly that we never even charged players 4 percent before the union set the fee at 4 percent. But once they made a max and we thought we were a max player, we charged the max. We had actually charged less than 4 percent before the union set the fees. Guys were charging 10. So, one of the things I’ve never thanked Isiah for is helping me raise my fees. [Laughs]

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  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Falks’s ideas on max players sound good in this context, but consider them in the larger context.
    More importantly, the max players have more power and cache, but they do not make the league by themselves. Without talented players at the lower end of the spectrum, many of whom do work very hard but weren’t blessed with the physical gifts of their superstar peers, you have a bunch of bums running around bringing down the quality of the whole product.
    If the top players don’t sacrifice some of their revenue to create more equality for lower tier players, you have a situation where they create friction between the upper tier and lower tier, and give the owners more leverage down the road. Yes, the superstars will always be the face of the league, but they have a finite career and are susceptible to the machinations of management at a far greater rate when they fail to develop the support of the less talented peers.
    In my opinion at least.
    Falk is expressing a very pro-capitalistic approach to the NBA, and that’s fine, but it must be noted that there are drawbacks to that approach.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Nima, great work. Solid questions and thorough answers. Really enjoyed it. And this “But it wasn’t really news. Everyone I knew told me a month before that he was going to Miami.” Told you so.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Hmm…sometimes I still wonder, did David Falk help Michael Jordan blow the hell up in the endorsements business or did Michael Jordan help David Falk blow the hell up in the sports agencies business?

  • http://www.walshsportsblog.com Kevin

    It a synergy. Falk and ESPN helped Jordan, who helped them, who helped Falk, which helped the NBA grow. The NBA popularity helped all of them. Simply put, a successful cycle of growth.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Didn’t Iverson’s marketing career blow up after he dropped Falk? Dude is obviously smart and talented, I just don’t know.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nima Zarrabi

    @AllenP: You bring up some good points. Falk fully understands there are good players other than max guys. I think he believes there probably have been more mistakes made in giving guys midlevel $ that didn’t deserve it rather than guys who have earned it. For every Ron Artest who earns his midlevel money there is someone like Luke Walton that does not. As far as Iverson’s marketing career, it should be noted that AI wanted to go with Nike but Falk signed him to a great deal with RBK. Later on his own, I believe AI signed a lifetime deal with RBK. That money from Reebok is likely a very important revenue source for him if rumors of money issues are actually true. Furthermore, I would say that AI would not be in the position he is in today had he stayed with David Falk and listened to his advice. My opinion. @enigmatic: They helped each other. Falk fully understands that MJ opened many doors for him. There is a book called “Swoosh: the unauthorized story of Nike and the men who played there” It was the first ever book written on Nike, penned by JB Strasser who was nike’s first advertising manager and the wife of Rob Strasser, one of Phil Knight’s closest confidants and a key person in Nike basketball’s growth in the 80s. In the book, Strasser explains that the entire concept of “Air Jordan” was created by Falk and Strasser. “Air Jordan” the marketing concept, was Falk’s creation. More on that tomorrow in Part II. @Myles: Thanks dude. Means a lot coming from you. And yes, I know. I’m likely the only person in the world who enjoyed The Decision and was happy to see LeBron do it.

  • namik

    Good work!!

  • http://slamonline.com Tzvi Twersky

    Knowledgeable interviewer and interviewee.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @ Nima – DAMN. OK, I’ll be on the lookout for that part II!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    What kind of a nickname is Worldwide Wes? Wow.

  • T-Money

    Sport agents in basketball is archaic. There’s a cap. Bron knows what he’s going to get so why does he need Leon Rose? It’s not like baseball where Boras can and does get you 10, 20 30 more millions than the next guy. Some guys like Ben Wallance are catching up and hire a lawyers and accoutants billed by the hour to negotiate their contract. It’s ridiculous to me to pay 4% of 100+ mil to an agent to get something you were going to get anyways.

  • coach g

    Dippy little chalk throw
    Walk the ball up slow
    Moan to refs on every play

    Pretty boring I would say!!!!

    Rigged team = boring team.

    Ignore the Bore.

  • hoodsnake

    Two very knowledgeable people having a meaningful conversation. Doesn’t happen a lot anymore. Can’t wait for part 2

  • deshawn33

    agree,great read.
    obviously falk is a smart man.
    pro-capitalistic,indeed..
    still disagree with his CBA argumentations concerning max/mid level money though.
    it may not be perfect as it is.
    some of the reasons allen gave i second-to cry cummunism when a guy is making 18mil a year is obviously very “USA”.
    i think its one of the great achievements of the union that it has actuallly managed to spread the wealth more evenly in a time when global finacial compensation in most markets goes the road of overcompensating a few and undercompensating the masses.
    consider two things:if youre a max player,making whatever the max may be at that time,chances are very high youre actually generating a lot of income from other sources-endorsements etc.we all know bron shaq et al dont have to make do with the measly 20mil they´re making a year.
    two:if your a GM and you´re willing to offer a guy like JJ 5-7 mil a year i´m not sure any CBA can help you..
    lowering mid level money cant substitute talent-evaluation.
    and obviously his argumentation is not without the slightest of self-interest-if you´re representing many of the max guys and you get 4% of their salary,it´s much nicer if that salary is 40mil than 20..
    so it may not be perfect the way it is,but i like the general ideas..

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    The lollygaggers need to take a pay cut.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Alan Paul

    Nima, great job. This is a slamming, thoroughly interesting interview. I completely agree with Falk’s views on max players and have been screaming for years about this. Teams kill themselves by overpaying guys who are completely replaceable. But that doesn’t mean max has to be higher… it means why in the F**K would a team give Jerome James or Darko or Jared Jeffries or many, many others multi-year guaranteed deals?

  • Fat Lever

    I love the fact he puts Jerome James on blast. Hahahaha, awesome.

  • underdog

    The best thing I’ve read on this site in the last several months. Can’t wait the second part.

  • PG

    SLAM has the best interviews. Period. This is publication worthy, but happy you guys shared it online for all to read and enjoy. Cheers.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Nima Zarrabi

    Thank you all for taking the time to comment. Many good points here. @T-Money: I understand where you are coming from but a good agent does much more than negotiate contracts. @deshawn33: Very good points. There clearly is no substitute for talent evaluation. His point is more about the union fighting for better enhancements for lower tier players rather than the superstars. As far as self interest, that is a valid point but keep in mind that Falk has made his money. One more max contract is not going to make or break him. Alan, that makes a ton of sense and Falk agrees that owners and GMs made a bunch of dumb decisions this past off-season. Guaranteed contracts or at least the length of them, will be a key bargaining point during CBA talks.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Alan Paul

    His other point about someone like LBJ or Dwade being worth more than Bosh is also on point, but his solution is not.. just take off the max… what will happen is these knucklehead owners will just overpay other guys more.

  • http://big11mel@yahoo.com Big Mel

    It was funny how all the superstars are hungry,but all the role players stop working once they get their money,yes Kobe and Lebron have to sacrifice some money if they want to win a championship. David Faulk naming a bum like Jerome James isn’t a good example.

  • Jeff H

    Please talk to david falk as much as possible. What an insightful well spoken person. Great article.

  • http://www.lacuevacrosscountry.com Slick Nick Da Ruler

    Nima, I loved this interview, thank you for sharing this engaging dialogue. I can’t wait for part 2.

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  • JalepinoSausage

    Props for the Ar-TICAaaaL like Meth !!!

  • HZ

    Nima and Falk need to team up and write a book together. This interview has more knowledge than Confucious and karl Marx put together.

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