Friday, December 18th, 2009 at 1:47 pm | 72 responses
Video: Gary Payton on Brandon Jennings
There’s a brand new NBA show in town, featuring none other than former NBATV and Inside the NBA analyst Gary Payton. The Oakland native and longtime cohort Danny Buckley get talkin’ about everything — from Trevor Ariza to Jerry Sloan to Allen Iverson — related to the L. It’s definitely not the GP we’re used to watching on the set — the internet removes the filter, giving us 100 percent Payton (The Glove: Unplugged, if you will).
It’s good to have him back, as always, GP is good TV! But don’t take our word for it, check out the ‘episode’ and tell us what you think…
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Complete No-sign on that statement….When did you start watching basketball?
you speak the english language like Kemp sires offspring – absurdly.
Payton made himself into a dangerous shooter. He came into the league as a defender athlete, struggled early, then built himself into a shooter and absolute lockdown defender. It’s not coincidence that the three worst playoff games of Jordan’s career came with Gary Payton guarding him.
No, Payton was not the playmaker/passer that Nash, or Stockton or Kidd were. But, he was no slouch. He ran his team well, was a beast posting up on the block, and once again, played some of the greatest defense the league has ever seen.
Your tendency to use performances in national games as the only barometer for a player’s greatness is ridiculous. You are basically saying that if NBA players can’t dominate international competition completely playing by new rules and against teams that have played together for years, they are overrated. While ignoring how many Euros have come over to the NBA and failed to be impact players despite their stellar international reps (Sarunas anyone?).
Once again you’ve made a ridiculously biased argument buttressed by very few facts. I guess that’s what comes natural for you.
Define “excelling,” particulary when it comes to Tim Duncan. Or even every player on the 1992 Dream Team because every player on that team wasn’t killing in the Olympics. Exactly, how do you define excelling?
Besides, you have a double standard. Excelling in international competition is important, but not excelling in the NBA when it comes to Euros. You and I both know that’s bogus and makes your entire argument weak.
Unless what you’re really arguing is that the international rules created to make it easier for less athletically gifted players to excel create “real” basketball, while the NBA rules create fake basketball? Is that what you’re arguing? Because that’s just laughable.
Which apparently is not a necessary skill for Euros since y’all play so much zone.
“You never slowed down in Seattle”
GP: “That’s cause I’m a DAWG!”
Payton’s defence was NONEXISTENT in 2000. He was called for a fault in almost every play…i didn’t want to bring this up cause this IMO had to do with the way some fouls are NOT called in the NBA but called in FIBA. NBA rules are made in a way to please the very average fun, giving him/her things that can be easily appreciated from somebody with no deep understanding of the game. It is above all a business and i respect this(this mag is also a business so i don’t have problems having “Anna” all over it). It is easy for everybody to appreciate somebody making acrobatic dunks or repeatdly outrunning 9 players, it is not so easy to appreciate the way Sarunas or Stocton were setting everybody by reading anykind of defence like very few have ever done….if you have trouble understanding this, i cannot help you much more.
Sarunas came in an athlete-oriented league when he was past his athletic prime. And he was never a good athlete,even in his prime….(you need me to tell you all this..??)
Sigh… The biggest difference between NBA rules and international rules is the lack of a true zone. There are also differences in how picks are called and how much contact is allowed on the perimeter.
The differences are there because it benefits the style of play held as “the best” by international cats. Mainly, halfcourt and jumpshooting.
The game in the NBA changed because the players forced the change. We used to play like y’all back in the day, at least without the zone.
You consistently pretend to be dropping knowledge on the unintelligent masses when what you’re really doing is spouting inane bullcrap, sprinkled liberally with racism, xenophobia and eugenics.
Stockton is one of the most revered players in NBA history. So are many other players who lacked dominant athletic ability. While it’s true that the NBA has tailored it’s game in recent years to the average fan, that has nothing to do with Gary Payton.
Gary Payton regularly outplayed John Stockton in their personal matchups, he played incredible defense against EVERYBODY. If you refuse to admit this, then you’re only showing yourself to be a fool.
“….with racism, xenophobia and eugenics”….
You used 3 greek words (that you obviously got no idea what they really mean) in the same sentence..!! Nice!!!! (Foarte bine!!! Hao jile!!!! Sigxaritiria!!!!)
as far as I understand you are making a judgment on Gary Payton’s entire professional career based on a tournament (the 2000 Olympics) in which he, in your opinion, underperformed. If he did in fact under perform how can it be a true reflection of his career? GP spent the entirety of his pro career (aside from the Olympics and FIBA tournaments)playing a different brand of basketball in which he performed at an All-NBA level for damn near a decade. This performance should show his true level of career achievement rather than the occasional tournament in which he participated. International ball, in my opinion, is not a definitive indicator of the relative success or shortcomings of an athlete’s career, it is merely a snapshot of how that athlete (and their respective teams) played during a particular tournament. Judging GP by his FIBA play would be like saying that a talented 100 metre sprinter was overrated because when he attempted the 400m race, he was not as successful as his 100m form might suggest. They are two very different disciplines with very different criteria for success and therefore one should not be used as yardstick for success in the other. (I tried to stay away from a basketball-based analogy to eliminate cultural and team bias).
Payton is the last guard to have won the defensive player of the year award and shares the record (with MJ) for most nba all-defensive first team (9)
now what you were sayin’?
GP is the coolest MF and I LOVED his playing. He’s the toughest PG ever.
This is truly ironic, you guys are sounding arrogantly like you are looking at all the angles of whether a player is ‘great’ with regards to examining ability in both codes, but you’re naively basing the final judgement on whether NBA players, particularly USA athletes, are great because they maintain the same standard in both codes. Except for the fact FIBA games make up less than 1% of a years games for those players, and it’s not even annual. Therefore over their careers it’s probably nearer 0.1% of their total games. So basically, if players don’t adapt instantaneously to a system they infrequently pay attention to, let alone play in. That’s without considering they’re playing in teams thrown together for tiny durations of time, with little chemistry, different tactics, different backroom personnel, different relationships etc. That’s either some truly ignorant logic you both possess, or you’re so stubborn you can’t even see how ridiculous those kind of sweeping judgements are.
Dominique Wilkins played one year in europe and was arguebly the greatest to ever play in europe so my examples were more than players playing 0,1% of their games in fiba rules…Same for Sugar ray richardson.
But f*ck off if you’re going to make fun of his English. With a name like Juanny you have no business talking sh!t about people from other countries; likewise, if your name was John Smith, you would have no business being an ignorant, racist redn3ck piece of sh!t. Thanks for shutting the f*ck up next time, you ignorant @sshole.
WHAT IS IT WITH THESE RACIST IDIOTS ON SLAMONLINE LATELY?
I agree that jennings wont hit a wall. i heard they had 2 practices a day, even on game day. his staminia is probably built to last an nba season.
his numbers might drop a bit with his current knee injury. But think over the other rookies, he will be head and shoulders above them, even after the all star break.
DD’s aversion to Iverson is well-known, yet L has held up Iverson as Duncan as the two most productive players in international play in 2004. Of course I know this is true, but it runs counter to every argument DD has ever made.
As 360 has pointed out, DD has decided that FIBA play is the sole determinant of greatness, while NBA play means little. This allows him to ignore the poor performances by Euros in the NBA, while castigating NBA players for their failures in international tournaments. Classic inane logic.
Finally, L keeps bringing Josh Childress as if Josh Childress was a good player in the NBA. Newsflash, he wasn’t. He was a bench player who was allowed to walk by Atlanta because they refused to give him the kind of money some Euro team foolishly dropped on him. Everybody in the US knew he couldn’t shoot, we all knew he would struggle in a halfcourt game. However, the basketball masterminds of Europe apparently never watched Childress play and thought he would be just great in Europe. Lovely.
Gary Payton’s career speaks for itself for those willing to listen. If I was starting a team, I would take Payton over Stockton as my point guard because Payton brings more to the table. No, he’s not the passer that Stockton was, but he’s a superior scorer and defender. And winner.
I think he is one of the top 10 pgs ever. My point was about how difficult the european game is. It takes the complete package to succeed at fiba and nba rules in terms of physical and technical skills. Most americans have no idea of the level of play in euroleague (see jrooks comment). That’s it. L
What is the complete package?
Is athleticism not a part of the complete package?
Even DD recognizes that what separates Kobe from every other player in the world is the fact that his insane skill level is paired with a great amount of athleticism.
I have yet to see a complete player come from Europe and play in the NBA.
Name one.
I totally agree w DD on Kobe.
I’d say Pau Gasol as a big man is as complete as anybody. Maybe Dirk too.
I totally agree w DD on Kobe.
I’d say Pau is as a big as complete as anybody. Maybe dirk too.
When are you publishing that list of fifty Euro players better than Iverson, anyway? I’m still keen to read it.
Sabonis was a 40-year old man in the NBA and was far from complete, although he could still play.
Petro was a baller, but we all know he was shaky as hell on defense.
And I disagree on both points.
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