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Friday, December 18th, 2009 at 1:47 pm  |  72 responses

Video: Gary Payton on Brandon Jennings

There’s a brand new NBA show in town, featuring none other than former NBATV and Inside the NBA analyst Gary Payton. The Oakland native and longtime cohort Danny Buckley get talkin’ about everything — from Trevor Ariza to Jerry Sloan to Allen Iverson — related to the L. It’s definitely not the GP we’re used to watching on the set — the internet removes the filter, giving us 100 percent Payton (The Glove: Unplugged, if you will).

It’s good to have him back, as always, GP is good TV! But don’t take our word for it, check out the ‘episode’ and tell us what you think…

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  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    GP!

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E.(like Payton’s performance against smart/organized defences in the summer of 2000)

  • ab_40

    what the. this was not good. and GP is getting FAT but hey everything is better than reggie miller

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    at the same time i like what he is wearing on his head, he could really use it here (-10 celcious and 1 meter of snow in Bucharest….).
    B

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    I could listen to Payton talk all day. GP unplugged is only a good thing!

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    By th way: GP is one of the most overrated players of all time. Not “Iverson like” overrated but not very far from it….

  • James

    how was this terrible? it was funny and hillarious. and ab_40 who cares if he is getting fat?

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Wow, lots of hate from DD. I’m not sure how he’s overrated as a NINE-time (consecutive years, mind you) All-Defense First Teamer and nine-time All-Star… oh, and ’96 DPOY.

  • Randy Brown

    GP is one of the greatest point guards of all time

  • cramzy

    yeah,lets not even go down the GP is overrated road. The dude resume speaks for itself. Hall of famer easily.Wish he was still on NBATV. GP & Cwebb were the new Kenny & Chuck.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Greek Dude is consistently horrible. Payton overrated? Hell, most people dont’ even realize how great he once was.

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com Zee!

    By th way: GP is one of the most overrated players of all time. Not “Iverson like” overrated but not very far from it….

    ^^^^^^
    Complete No-sign on that statement….When did you start watching basketball?

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    Payton was average in the two most important skills for a point guard,shooting and play-making. I always had this suspision and i was waiting for a chance to test it when the defences get more complicated/focused and there are not many chances for fast breaks. I was finally granted my wish when he was selected to the 2000 team. He was simply T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E .Fortunatelly for U.S. Kidd saved the day… I didn’t say he was a bad player i say that he was overrated. That means that he was not an all-time great but simply a good player that could look great on special setttings(up-tempo NBA teams). Now you can go on and present me with all his stats(they were great, that makes reasonable his popularity among videogamers like Allenp,Eboy,tavorisjukai,seed,etc) , i have told you that i really don’t care, keep them for fantasy&video games. Afterall, i saw him from day-1 in the league, most of you were unborn…..by the way: he was the leader of the Sonics team that managed to lose from Mutombo and rookie Jalen Rose in the first round as the best regular season team,a great fantasy team with GP, GILL, SREPHF,KEMP& PERKINS or Ervin Johnson(i don’t remember who they were starting).

  • Juanny

    diamantdis:
    you speak the english language like Kemp sires offspring – absurdly.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Zing!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Greek dude
    Payton made himself into a dangerous shooter. He came into the league as a defender athlete, struggled early, then built himself into a shooter and absolute lockdown defender. It’s not coincidence that the three worst playoff games of Jordan’s career came with Gary Payton guarding him.
    No, Payton was not the playmaker/passer that Nash, or Stockton or Kidd were. But, he was no slouch. He ran his team well, was a beast posting up on the block, and once again, played some of the greatest defense the league has ever seen.
    Your tendency to use performances in national games as the only barometer for a player’s greatness is ridiculous. You are basically saying that if NBA players can’t dominate international competition completely playing by new rules and against teams that have played together for years, they are overrated. While ignoring how many Euros have come over to the NBA and failed to be impact players despite their stellar international reps (Sarunas anyone?).
    Once again you’ve made a ridiculously biased argument buttressed by very few facts. I guess that’s what comes natural for you.

  • http://www.twitter.com/Th3_R3al_Chris Th3_R3al_Chris

    Gary Payton led Sonics teams to the playoffs long after Shawn Kemp was traded from the organization. He also was incredible on the Celtics the year in between his Laker days and being a key role-player on a championship Miami Heat squad. Nothing but love for GP, he was the best, imo.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @Allenp…….:all, i mean ALL the true greats had no problem exceling on international competition(even Coleman in 1994 and even Duncan in 2004′s losing effort), only the pretenders had problems (Baron, 2 cartoons, Payton, Amare, marion, Antonio Davis, Kirk Hinrich, Boozer,etc good athletes all of them but… ). I see no reason to hold a double-standard for GP.

  • http://www.sixers.com, 360vue

    Greek dude. you’re basketball mind is so warped it’s ridiculous. i genuinely think you must be so bored with your life you just say strange ish to get into a ‘debate’

  • http://www.sixers.com, 360vue

    oh and can someone explain why youngbuck got fined for being happy at a W?!?! went straight over my head. what rule?!?

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @Zee, 360, Juanny…..:solid argumentation(tavorisjukai is proud of you). thanks.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    DD
    Define “excelling,” particulary when it comes to Tim Duncan. Or even every player on the 1992 Dream Team because every player on that team wasn’t killing in the Olympics. Exactly, how do you define excelling?
    Besides, you have a double standard. Excelling in international competition is important, but not excelling in the NBA when it comes to Euros. You and I both know that’s bogus and makes your entire argument weak.
    Unless what you’re really arguing is that the international rules created to make it easier for less athletically gifted players to excel create “real” basketball, while the NBA rules create fake basketball? Is that what you’re arguing? Because that’s just laughable.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh, and you dodged me on Payton’s defense.
    Which apparently is not a necessary skill for Euros since y’all play so much zone.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    Allenp just bullied these ni&&as.

  • http://www.realcavsfans.com Anton

    and LOL at
    “You never slowed down in Seattle”
    GP: “That’s cause I’m a DAWG!”

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @Allenp……:Duncan was the best big man of the Olympics(along with Gasol) both voted to the all tournament team. I was there. Every player on the 1992 team (ok, almost everybody, except Leatner and Bird who was hurt) proved when challenged(in the final and in some rare moments at the other games) that they were able to dominate the competition(i wonder why you bring this up,everybody saw this).
    Payton’s defence was NONEXISTENT in 2000. He was called for a fault in almost every play…i didn’t want to bring this up cause this IMO had to do with the way some fouls are NOT called in the NBA but called in FIBA. NBA rules are made in a way to please the very average fun, giving him/her things that can be easily appreciated from somebody with no deep understanding of the game. It is above all a business and i respect this(this mag is also a business so i don’t have problems having “Anna” all over it). It is easy for everybody to appreciate somebody making acrobatic dunks or repeatdly outrunning 9 players, it is not so easy to appreciate the way Sarunas or Stocton were setting everybody by reading anykind of defence like very few have ever done….if you have trouble understanding this, i cannot help you much more.
    Sarunas came in an athlete-oriented league when he was past his athletic prime. And he was never a good athlete,even in his prime….(you need me to tell you all this..??)

  • wilz

    that was hilarious

  • wilz

    and wtf are u doing in romania DIMITRIS

  • http://www.clutchfans.com/ Blue

    Cocaine is a helluva drug…

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @wilz…..: posting on SLAM !!!!(and a little business….)

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    @Anton The end of the video made it for me. Hilarious.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    DD
    Sigh… The biggest difference between NBA rules and international rules is the lack of a true zone. There are also differences in how picks are called and how much contact is allowed on the perimeter.
    The differences are there because it benefits the style of play held as “the best” by international cats. Mainly, halfcourt and jumpshooting.
    The game in the NBA changed because the players forced the change. We used to play like y’all back in the day, at least without the zone.
    You consistently pretend to be dropping knowledge on the unintelligent masses when what you’re really doing is spouting inane bullcrap, sprinkled liberally with racism, xenophobia and eugenics.
    Stockton is one of the most revered players in NBA history. So are many other players who lacked dominant athletic ability. While it’s true that the NBA has tailored it’s game in recent years to the average fan, that has nothing to do with Gary Payton.
    Gary Payton regularly outplayed John Stockton in their personal matchups, he played incredible defense against EVERYBODY. If you refuse to admit this, then you’re only showing yourself to be a fool.

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    “he played incredible defense against EVERYBODY”….everybody not named Sarunas, Antuan(Rigondo),Carlton(Myers),and the rest of the guys that made him look lost thoughout the tournament!!!!!Your knowledge on FIBA rules is compared to that of jukaitavoris so i will not bother,….as for Stocton, well, i will not insult him by comparing him to GP.Since you wanna do so, you can argue with Teddy, he compared him with “Anna” so he won’t have a problem with GP !!).
    “….with racism, xenophobia and eugenics”….
    You used 3 greek words (that you obviously got no idea what they really mean) in the same sentence..!! Nice!!!! (Foarte bine!!! Hao jile!!!! Sigxaritiria!!!!)

  • http://www.yourblackbrothers.com Daunte

    Jennings has greatly surpassed any expectation that I had. I didnt think a skinny lil guy like Jennings would be able to stand the physicality of the Chaunceys and Derons of the league, but he has held his own. I wish Derrick Rose would take a note from Jennings book of “aggressiveness”.

  • Mike

    DD
    as far as I understand you are making a judgment on Gary Payton’s entire professional career based on a tournament (the 2000 Olympics) in which he, in your opinion, underperformed. If he did in fact under perform how can it be a true reflection of his career? GP spent the entirety of his pro career (aside from the Olympics and FIBA tournaments)playing a different brand of basketball in which he performed at an All-NBA level for damn near a decade. This performance should show his true level of career achievement rather than the occasional tournament in which he participated.

    International ball, in my opinion, is not a definitive indicator of the relative success or shortcomings of an athlete’s career, it is merely a snapshot of how that athlete (and their respective teams) played during a particular tournament.

    Judging GP by his FIBA play would be like saying that a talented 100 metre sprinter was overrated because when he attempted the 400m race, he was not as successful as his 100m form might suggest. They are two very different disciplines with very different criteria for success and therefore one should not be used as yardstick for success in the other. (I tried to stay away from a basketball-based analogy to eliminate cultural and team bias).

  • http://www.michaelcho.com M Cho

    Greek Dude is officially the most annoying guy on Slamonline. It’s not just that he’s opinionated, or that his opinions are often absurd, or that his posts are barely intelligible…its that he has to use 4 or more exclamation marks at the end of almost every sentence. Just tone it down, dude, and carry on a debate like a grown up.

  • http://slamonline.com Dave

    Greek Dude: So are there fifty players in the Euroleague who play better defence than Payton?

  • Bruno

    hey dimitris
    Payton is the last guard to have won the defensive player of the year award and shares the record (with MJ) for most nba all-defensive first team (9)
    now what you were sayin’?

  • Tim

    Say no to crack kids

  • http://www.another48minutes.com Gerard Himself

    DD: why do you always say that people should go back to playing videogames when they disagree with you? Your arrogance baffles me. Besides the fact that you couldn’t be more wrong on Payton, it’s the fact that always respond in such an absurd way when someone criticizes you. You also often claim to be older than most of the people posting here, so if that is true, try to act like it. This is getting embarrassing.

  • Starchild

    If you can seriously sit here and hate on GP, do me and everyone else here a favor… Go to the highest point of the earth and jump. Bring yourself back to life and then jump again! Just do this until the end of time.

  • L

    The true great players flourish on both rules that’s what DD means. Look at the 2004 olympics only AI and Duncan mattered. The others were just good but not great (apart from LBJ and Melo who were in the dooghouse but that’s another issue). L

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @L……:man, you must be a rocket scientist…i mean, you managed to understand something SOOO DIFFICULT that testified geniouses here (like Allenp,Dave,Bruno,360,Anton,Zee,M Cho,etc) couldn’t even come close to……a nobel prize is waiting for you in the near future!!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com cb 34

    @ dimitris: Nah man, you are totally off base on this one. GP had the game and the numbers to prove he was always one of the best. It doesn’t matter which league, even in mars his numbers are stellar. Since GP there hasn’t been a lockdown defender like him. Most guards pick off steals by playing passing lanes but GP was doing that and on you like a hawk at the same time. Post up, mid-range, 3,and he was clutch. Only tim and Dominique come close to being as good at using the glass as he was. You weren’t watching the same games. And stop thinking FIBA is ameasuring stick. It’s not even the best league. You gotta be realistic too man.

  • davidR

    oakland native running with the niners?

  • davidR

    kinda weird that spanny is recognizing AI’s greatness by cosigning L. anyway spanny, how exactly is GP overrated? everyone acknowledges the talent, and his resume speaks for itself, but i really dont think his name comes up when it comes to the GREATEST of pgs (magic, stockton, O).

  • L

    CB34 do you have any clue what the FIBA is like?? B Jennings didn’t dominate last year the way he does in the nba this year, childress is struggling too..It’s really hard to be good at both games. As i said before only the great ones manage to do it : Dominique, Petrovic, Sugar ray richardson, the real dream teams…L

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    If anything, GP is *under*-rated thanks to MJ’s career coexisting with his. There’s no one in the L right now like GP. I honestly think he’s one of the smartest players of all time. GP gets so much love for his defense, love that is entirely warranted. But people overlook what a deadly offensive force he was. Dude could score at will. He didn’t average that many points even in his prime, but hey, with a Seattle team full of great options he didn’t need to.

  • robb

    DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS: your rants are 100% pure nonsense.
    GP is the coolest MF and I LOVED his playing. He’s the toughest PG ever.

  • http://www.sixers.com 360vue

    @L and Spanny.
    This is truly ironic, you guys are sounding arrogantly like you are looking at all the angles of whether a player is ‘great’ with regards to examining ability in both codes, but you’re naively basing the final judgement on whether NBA players, particularly USA athletes, are great because they maintain the same standard in both codes. Except for the fact FIBA games make up less than 1% of a years games for those players, and it’s not even annual. Therefore over their careers it’s probably nearer 0.1% of their total games. So basically, if players don’t adapt instantaneously to a system they infrequently pay attention to, let alone play in. That’s without considering they’re playing in teams thrown together for tiny durations of time, with little chemistry, different tactics, different backroom personnel, different relationships etc. That’s either some truly ignorant logic you both possess, or you’re so stubborn you can’t even see how ridiculous those kind of sweeping judgements are.

  • Yesse

    Lol i guess i know what the “Black Entertainment Television” stands for here on the logo.

  • L

    360, childress’s fiba’s games represent for 100% of his games and he’s been quite disappointing.
    Dominique Wilkins played one year in europe and was arguebly the greatest to ever play in europe so my examples were more than players playing 0,1% of their games in fiba rules…Same for Sugar ray richardson.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Juanny, if you’re going to dislike what DIMITRIS says, that’s fine. Join the club.
    But f*ck off if you’re going to make fun of his English. With a name like Juanny you have no business talking sh!t about people from other countries; likewise, if your name was John Smith, you would have no business being an ignorant, racist redn3ck piece of sh!t. Thanks for shutting the f*ck up next time, you ignorant @sshole.
    WHAT IS IT WITH THESE RACIST IDIOTS ON SLAMONLINE LATELY?

  • Jrooks va

    But euro players cant play nba because they suck thats why they have their own leage just like the girls have wnba if they where that good dont you think they will be able to take all star spots in the nba

  • http://www2.gsb.columbia.edu/faculty/jstiglitz/ DIMITRIS DIAMANTIDIS

    @Teddy…….:why bother about the language inefficiency comments..? I really don’t care at all. Afterall the “Jukaitavoris” guy is doing this evrytime he is exposed for his bball ignorance(meaning:all the time)….this is his (and other kids’) last resort of defence, please don’t take it away from them…please don’t hurt my kids!!!!!

  • http://www.broy7.com nate the great

    lets get back to the video, and what they are talking about.
    I agree that jennings wont hit a wall. i heard they had 2 practices a day, even on game day. his staminia is probably built to last an nba season.
    his numbers might drop a bit with his current knee injury. But think over the other rookies, he will be head and shoulders above them, even after the all star break.

  • L

    Dirk, Pau, TP, Manu are all astars in my book and i’m not even talking about all time greats such as Kukoc, Sabonis, Petrovic..L

  • truthteller

    Most people forget that Jordan had the lowest scoring average in his nba finals career in 1996 against the sonics and who guarded him? GP!!! He used to be my favorite player of all time now he’s no 2 behind KB24!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    What’s really funny is how some DD and L are both raving about FIBA, but are arriving at different conclusions about certain players.
    DD’s aversion to Iverson is well-known, yet L has held up Iverson as Duncan as the two most productive players in international play in 2004. Of course I know this is true, but it runs counter to every argument DD has ever made.
    As 360 has pointed out, DD has decided that FIBA play is the sole determinant of greatness, while NBA play means little. This allows him to ignore the poor performances by Euros in the NBA, while castigating NBA players for their failures in international tournaments. Classic inane logic.
    Finally, L keeps bringing Josh Childress as if Josh Childress was a good player in the NBA. Newsflash, he wasn’t. He was a bench player who was allowed to walk by Atlanta because they refused to give him the kind of money some Euro team foolishly dropped on him. Everybody in the US knew he couldn’t shoot, we all knew he would struggle in a halfcourt game. However, the basketball masterminds of Europe apparently never watched Childress play and thought he would be just great in Europe. Lovely.
    Gary Payton’s career speaks for itself for those willing to listen. If I was starting a team, I would take Payton over Stockton as my point guard because Payton brings more to the table. No, he’s not the passer that Stockton was, but he’s a superior scorer and defender. And winner.

  • James

    AllenP just ethered DD

  • James

    AllenP just ethered DD

  • L

    Allenp i do not agree on everything that DD wrote that’s why i come up with a different view especially on AI. I never dissed GP as a player.
    I think he is one of the top 10 pgs ever. My point was about how difficult the european game is. It takes the complete package to succeed at fiba and nba rules in terms of physical and technical skills. Most americans have no idea of the level of play in euroleague (see jrooks comment). That’s it. L

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    L
    What is the complete package?
    Is athleticism not a part of the complete package?
    Even DD recognizes that what separates Kobe from every other player in the world is the fact that his insane skill level is paired with a great amount of athleticism.
    I have yet to see a complete player come from Europe and play in the NBA.
    Name one.

  • Illydiva

    That was AWESOME!!! Gotta love GP! There must be a regular link to all things GP on Slamonline.

  • L

    Physical skills means athletism to me so yes it’s part of the complete package.
    I totally agree w DD on Kobe.
    I’d say Pau Gasol as a big man is as complete as anybody. Maybe Dirk too.

  • L

    Physical skills means athletism to me so yes it’s part of the complete package.
    I totally agree w DD on Kobe.
    I’d say Pau is as a big as complete as anybody. Maybe dirk too.

  • http://slamonline.com Dave

    @Allenp: Petro and Arvydas. Dirk’s not bad, either.

  • http://slamonline.com Dave

    @DD the Greek: I’m not a testified genius. But I do have some semblance of credibility, unlike yourself.
    When are you publishing that list of fifty Euro players better than Iverson, anyway? I’m still keen to read it.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    DD
    Sabonis was a 40-year old man in the NBA and was far from complete, although he could still play.
    Petro was a baller, but we all know he was shaky as hell on defense.

  • http://slamonline.com Dave

    Allenp: don’t confuse me with him, please.
    And I disagree on both points.

  • Incubo

    I think GP was seeing the light at the end of the tunnel around 2000. He was just trying to find the team to get the Ship and retire. I know he didn’t play as well as expected in 2000 but he is still one of the top 10 PG of all time and still to this date the best alley-oop thrower…lol

  • dez

    are they speaking english?

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