Video: Gary Payton on Brandon Jennings

T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E.(like Payton’s performance against smart/organized defences in the summer of 2000)

at the same time i like what he is wearing on his head, he could really use it here (-10 celcious and 1 meter of snow in Bucharest….).
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By th way: GP is one of the most overrated players of all time. Not “Iverson like” overrated but not very far from it….

yeah,lets not even go down the GP is overrated road. The dude resume speaks for itself. Hall of famer easily.Wish he was still on NBATV. GP & Cwebb were the new Kenny & Chuck.

By th way: GP is one of the most overrated players of all time. Not “Iverson like” overrated but not very far from it….

^^^^^^
Complete No-sign on that statement….When did you start watching basketball?

diamantdis:
you speak the english language like Kemp sires offspring – absurdly.

Greek dude
Payton made himself into a dangerous shooter. He came into the league as a defender athlete, struggled early, then built himself into a shooter and absolute lockdown defender. It’s not coincidence that the three worst playoff games of Jordan’s career came with Gary Payton guarding him.
No, Payton was not the playmaker/passer that Nash, or Stockton or Kidd were. But, he was no slouch. He ran his team well, was a beast posting up on the block, and once again, played some of the greatest defense the league has ever seen.
Your tendency to use performances in national games as the only barometer for a player’s greatness is ridiculous. You are basically saying that if NBA players can’t dominate international competition completely playing by new rules and against teams that have played together for years, they are overrated. While ignoring how many Euros have come over to the NBA and failed to be impact players despite their stellar international reps (Sarunas anyone?).
Once again you’ve made a ridiculously biased argument buttressed by very few facts. I guess that’s what comes natural for you.

@Allenp…….:all, i mean ALL the true greats had no problem exceling on international competition(even Coleman in 1994 and even Duncan in 2004′s losing effort), only the pretenders had problems (Baron, 2 cartoons, Payton, Amare, marion, Antonio Davis, Kirk Hinrich, Boozer,etc good athletes all of them but… ). I see no reason to hold a double-standard for GP.

oh and can someone explain why youngbuck got fined for being happy at a W?!?! went straight over my head. what rule?!?

DD
Define “excelling,” particulary when it comes to Tim Duncan. Or even every player on the 1992 Dream Team because every player on that team wasn’t killing in the Olympics. Exactly, how do you define excelling?
Besides, you have a double standard. Excelling in international competition is important, but not excelling in the NBA when it comes to Euros. You and I both know that’s bogus and makes your entire argument weak.
Unless what you’re really arguing is that the international rules created to make it easier for less athletically gifted players to excel create “real” basketball, while the NBA rules create fake basketball? Is that what you’re arguing? Because that’s just laughable.

Allenp just bullied these ni&&as.

@Allenp……:Duncan was the best big man of the Olympics(along with Gasol) both voted to the all tournament team. I was there. Every player on the 1992 team (ok, almost everybody, except Leatner and Bird who was hurt) proved when challenged(in the final and in some rare moments at the other games) that they were able to dominate the competition(i wonder why you bring this up,everybody saw this).
Payton’s defence was NONEXISTENT in 2000. He was called for a fault in almost every play…i didn’t want to bring this up cause this IMO had to do with the way some fouls are NOT called in the NBA but called in FIBA. NBA rules are made in a way to please the very average fun, giving him/her things that can be easily appreciated from somebody with no deep understanding of the game. It is above all a business and i respect this(this mag is also a business so i don’t have problems having “Anna” all over it). It is easy for everybody to appreciate somebody making acrobatic dunks or repeatdly outrunning 9 players, it is not so easy to appreciate the way Sarunas or Stocton were setting everybody by reading anykind of defence like very few have ever done….if you have trouble understanding this, i cannot help you much more.
Sarunas came in an athlete-oriented league when he was past his athletic prime. And he was never a good athlete,even in his prime….(you need me to tell you all this..??)

and wtf are u doing in romania DIMITRIS

@wilz…..: posting on SLAM !!!!(and a little business….)

DD
Sigh… The biggest difference between NBA rules and international rules is the lack of a true zone. There are also differences in how picks are called and how much contact is allowed on the perimeter.
The differences are there because it benefits the style of play held as “the best” by international cats. Mainly, halfcourt and jumpshooting.
The game in the NBA changed because the players forced the change. We used to play like y’all back in the day, at least without the zone.
You consistently pretend to be dropping knowledge on the unintelligent masses when what you’re really doing is spouting inane bullcrap, sprinkled liberally with racism, xenophobia and eugenics.
Stockton is one of the most revered players in NBA history. So are many other players who lacked dominant athletic ability. While it’s true that the NBA has tailored it’s game in recent years to the average fan, that has nothing to do with Gary Payton.
Gary Payton regularly outplayed John Stockton in their personal matchups, he played incredible defense against EVERYBODY. If you refuse to admit this, then you’re only showing yourself to be a fool.

Jennings has greatly surpassed any expectation that I had. I didnt think a skinny lil guy like Jennings would be able to stand the physicality of the Chaunceys and Derons of the league, but he has held his own. I wish Derrick Rose would take a note from Jennings book of “aggressiveness”.

Greek Dude is officially the most annoying guy on Slamonline. It’s not just that he’s opinionated, or that his opinions are often absurd, or that his posts are barely intelligible…its that he has to use 4 or more exclamation marks at the end of almost every sentence. Just tone it down, dude, and carry on a debate like a grown up.

hey dimitris
Payton is the last guard to have won the defensive player of the year award and shares the record (with MJ) for most nba all-defensive first team (9)
now what you were sayin’?

DD: why do you always say that people should go back to playing videogames when they disagree with you? Your arrogance baffles me. Besides the fact that you couldn’t be more wrong on Payton, it’s the fact that always respond in such an absurd way when someone criticizes you. You also often claim to be older than most of the people posting here, so if that is true, try to act like it. This is getting embarrassing.

The true great players flourish on both rules that’s what DD means. Look at the 2004 olympics only AI and Duncan mattered. The others were just good but not great (apart from LBJ and Melo who were in the dooghouse but that’s another issue). L

@ dimitris: Nah man, you are totally off base on this one. GP had the game and the numbers to prove he was always one of the best. It doesn’t matter which league, even in mars his numbers are stellar. Since GP there hasn’t been a lockdown defender like him. Most guards pick off steals by playing passing lanes but GP was doing that and on you like a hawk at the same time. Post up, mid-range, 3,and he was clutch. Only tim and Dominique come close to being as good at using the glass as he was. You weren’t watching the same games. And stop thinking FIBA is ameasuring stick. It’s not even the best league. You gotta be realistic too man.

kinda weird that spanny is recognizing AI’s greatness by cosigning L. anyway spanny, how exactly is GP overrated? everyone acknowledges the talent, and his resume speaks for itself, but i really dont think his name comes up when it comes to the GREATEST of pgs (magic, stockton, O).

If anything, GP is *under*-rated thanks to MJ’s career coexisting with his. There’s no one in the L right now like GP. I honestly think he’s one of the smartest players of all time. GP gets so much love for his defense, love that is entirely warranted. But people overlook what a deadly offensive force he was. Dude could score at will. He didn’t average that many points even in his prime, but hey, with a Seattle team full of great options he didn’t need to.

@L and Spanny.
This is truly ironic, you guys are sounding arrogantly like you are looking at all the angles of whether a player is ‘great’ with regards to examining ability in both codes, but you’re naively basing the final judgement on whether NBA players, particularly USA athletes, are great because they maintain the same standard in both codes. Except for the fact FIBA games make up less than 1% of a years games for those players, and it’s not even annual. Therefore over their careers it’s probably nearer 0.1% of their total games. So basically, if players don’t adapt instantaneously to a system they infrequently pay attention to, let alone play in. That’s without considering they’re playing in teams thrown together for tiny durations of time, with little chemistry, different tactics, different backroom personnel, different relationships etc. That’s either some truly ignorant logic you both possess, or you’re so stubborn you can’t even see how ridiculous those kind of sweeping judgements are.