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Tuesday, August 31st, 2010 at 10:40 am  |  116 responses

For Old Time’s Sake: Jason Williams (white chocolate)

From J-Stock to J-Will, why not? With the exception of maybe Pistol Pete, RIP, what white boy has better handles than Jason Williams? Steve Nash, Stockton? I don’t think so but it’s certainly up for debate. Picked 7th in the 1998 NBA Draft, Williams played a crucial role for a Sacramento Kings team that had plenty of talent in C-Webb, Peja, and an old but still productive Vlade Divac. J-Will helped lead the Kings to a playoff birth and made Sactown a regular on the highlight reels. A few interesting facts about J-Will… 1) He played high school hoops with Randy Moss. 2) He holds the record for most assists in a game at UF (17). 3) Williams’ #55 jersey was among the top 5 sellers in his rookie season. 4) He won a championship in 2006 with Miami.

-Schneezy

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  • http://www.slamonline.com/ The Promise

    The kid was awesome. Those were some fun King’s teams to watch.

  • andy

    dear God…an almost full court alley oop God DAMN!

  • http://thacorner.net/forums Kevin

    White Chocolate was too raw, sick handle. Dude was nice with it. I still liked Mike Bibby in Sacto more though

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    He has the best behind the back pass I have ever seen.

  • The Philosopher

    An all time NBA showman.

  • The Philosopher

    Shout out @Schneezy.

  • Waggle

    Just missing his cross on Payton and smoking Vlade in the face with the ball on the break. haha.
    Never forget the playoff series against Utah in ’98/’99.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    2:26 to 2:36 is beyond beautiful.

  • http://nicekicks.com meloman2.0

    This video will get the most comments, i’m sure…. I wish him and VC got to play on the same team, those highlights would have been GOAT

  • http://slamonline.com GotHandles?

    Zipline at 2:58. Butter

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    One of my favorite players, he was incredibly fun to watch.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I fully supported the Kings efforts during the J-Will/Bibby years. They had such a nice squad, C-Webb, Bobby Jackson, Vlade, Doug Christie, Peja….damn that was a fun squad.

  • eugene

    Gary Payton still dosent know what happend.

  • 2dope

    I could watch him punk GP all day. Never gets old…ever!

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    @meloman…ORLANDO MAGIC

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    I’m sure Chris Webber misses those days too.

  • tom

    this is pure inspiration!

  • http://nicekicks.com meloman2.0

    @Kap: ofcourse i mean in their prime

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Gary Payton’s entire demeanor after that was priceless. I can picture him saying,”Well damn, that white boy quick.”

  • lala

    I got no idea that this guy was so huge!!!
    He wins a new fan 2day
    Crazy!!

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    Elbow pass was legendary. Too bad nobody converted with it, but awesome nonetheless.

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    Elbow pass was legendary. Too bad nobody scored with it, but awesome nonetheless.

  • http://screwjams.tumblr.com cramzy

    why would the basketball gods wait til last year to get him and Vince on the same team? In their primes, they woulda have been the sickest tandem on the wing. Too bad he never made an allstar team either. He woulda did the fool!

  • snasty10

    i haven’t hooped in about four months, but after watching this video im definitely taking time out of my day to go jack up some fastbreak three pointers and drop some dimes. Hopefully not to rusty…the GP cross was just beautiful

  • Hussman25

    Too bad Will’s is trying to run from this version of him. This is the one hoops fans love the most. He had to change to stay in the L; but this is what made and makes him so special. One of the best showmen the L’s had in a long time.

  • Sparker

    funny, he was kind of looked down on for being a hot dog when he came into the league, but the truth is right here. one of the few guys who actually justified the nba tagline. that sh*t brings you out of your seat.

  • http://staticseth.blogspot.com Seth

    @Eboy, his behind-the-back bounce pass to Webb was crisper and more on target than any bounce pass I can offer. What the hell…

  • Overtime

    One of the most entertaining players ever, very cool guy.
    @Eboy, I’m with you, I was in love with those squads

  • Joey E.

    man, these moves are straight nasty. Jdub was raw. I love that elbow pass. i’ve always tried it and can never get it so smooth. love this guy

  • http://jaredmintzisthetruth.blogspot.com Jared

    Growing up post magic/bird, i watched a lot of really good players and a lot of fun players, but I don’t think anybody was more raw than this dude. I always thought I crafted my game after Iverson and Mark Jackson, but I gotta say Jwill probably had more of an influence on me than anyone, and he probably did the same for a lot of tweenage/teenage ball players at the time. I still like watching him play even as a bench player seeing minimal burn…I just wish he was more focused when he was younger.

  • Sparker

    and by the way, i don’t think you really need to ask: what white boy…? what nba player would have been fine.

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    My n**ga.

  • Overtime

    I am willing to bet everyone has watched this through at least twice

  • http://slamonline.com Schneezy

    @Sparker. I can think of plenty of dudes with better handles than J-Will, just no white boys… this is why it was phrased that way. Not meant to offend.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Talk about wasted talent…
    Also, I had a friend who swore that at one point Jwill had the tightest handle in the league.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Remarkably, the wasted talent wound up with a ring. There’s a lot of other wasted talents who never got one (a ring) that I loved the sh*t out of as players….Larry Johnson, Latrell Sprewell, Tim Hardaway just to name a tiny handful.

  • Ryan.T.

    I still rock the JWill jerseys to this day. My white Kings jersey is really yellow though…

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    My n|gga.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Awesome.

  • tavoris

    J-Will had that “special” kind of court vision that not many players had. Talent-wise, he was phenomenal.

  • bentherealdeal

    allenp: without a doubt. everything else about him was somewhat overrated but the handles were the f-cking truth.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy
    So you disagree with me, or you just wanted to note that he got a ring?

  • http://www.twitter.com/notebooknick NotebookNick

    Hilarity. One of my boys was the same way in HS, most definitely because of JWill. He still has a jersey he rocks to this day. Doesn’t fit very well anymore though.

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    Allen, I would have to agree with your friend, that was what stuck with me about jwill. Granted he had tons of turnovers, especially in his kings days, but almost all of them were because of his errant passes. I always thought his dribbling skills were sick, it looked like he had the ball tied to a string. Plus he bounced the ball pretty high off the ground, it had to bounce back hard and fast, I don’t know how he could control it so well. Although there were times when I coulda swore he carried…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Well….maybe you need to expand upon how dude is a wasted talent. Dude has played in the league for a decade, been in numerous playoff series, won a ring and is still contributing to a contending team today.

  • http://slamonline.com Krishan

    And oh god I just thought of something: slam, I would kill for a FOTS of young michael finley, especially his rookie season as a sun. PLEASE.

  • era

    thats one reason i want to see rubio in the L. Even if he is ‘just’ the next jwill, how great would that be? i wanna see passes like that in the top 10 again!

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ok, I’ll expand.
    Dude had outstanding physical gifts, and clearly put in time to improve on some of them. But, his penchant for being stubborn, combined with his love of weed, clearly stunted his growth. Moreover, he was far too content to be just a passer, instead of striking that attacking balance that makes the great point guards, despite having all the physical gifts to be an absolute beast at going to the rim. Shot way too many jumpers, played way too little defense, and smoked way too much weed.
    Wasted talent. Dude had the pure talent to be one of the all-time greats. Never put it together.

  • unrel

    dude was nice with it.. probably wouldn’t go down in greatest pg discussions.. but he’s a people’s champ..

  • RIGGS

    He should go back to that style

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’m not sure if anyone ever thought he was going to be a HOF-type guard.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    He was drafted like number eight, as a junior, from Florida before they were anything close to a basketball power.. His game was ridiculous. He had hops, foot speed, an impeccable handle, court vision and a decent jumper.
    What was stopping him from becoming great?

  • Overtime

    There have never been two players as easily mistakble for one another on the court as Jason Williams and Mike Bibby

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    He’s averaged 11, 6 & 2 for his career. By comparison, J Kidd has averaged 13, 9 & 6. One is a HOF’er…one is a Champion. Which one is the better honor to have? I’m not sure. HOF’er is an all-time honor, but a there’s a ton of HOF’ers without rings that I’m sure would love to have that last piece of history to their careers.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    16, 6 & 3. Those career numbers belong to his eventual replacement in Sacramento, Mike Bibby. I’d rather ride with J-Will.

  • rob stewart

    I loved his bowling ball passes and I used the KINGS all day on Playstation because of J

  • Robb

    1:37 bye bye Payton. Sick.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Eboy
    I’d rather be a Hall of Famer, to be honest.
    Then you can sit at the table with the big dogs and talk shop like an equal. If Unseld, Cowens and Duncan are sitting around talking about ball, and their careers, who is going to feel more out of place joining the convo: Malone, Barkley or Robert Horry?
    I’d rather be a big dog on my own merits than ride coattails to a ring.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Awww, ah well. Never been a fan of Whit Eboy. I’ll just have to wait for the next FOTS… Keep doing your thing though Schneezy/SLAM.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Eboy: You’re right, a tonne of Hall of Famers would sacrifice a lot to get that final piece of hardware… But they definitely wouldn’t give up their Hall of Fame status (and respect).

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’ll remember these comments if Lebron goes the rest of his career and doesn’t win a ring.

  • Ronald

    Watching this video makes me sick of Rondo’s fake behind the back pass he does every game. Why do people keep falling for it?

  • Shadojoker

    watching those White Chocolate highlights reminds me of how much he OWNED Sportscenter on the DAILY..it was either Vince Carter dunks or J-Will’s passing,dribbling,or whatever.. those were some good years..glad he finally got a ring..

  • teebee!!

    to this day i still don’t know how he did that elbow pass in the rookie game.

  • larrylegend

    he and vince r the reasons i enjoyed the lockout season very much. jwill had pistol-like work ethics with his handels…looks flashy and wild, but he put in work.

  • unrel

    ^it ain’t hard.. toss it behind your back.. hit with elbow to the trailer..

  • http://www.phonetobuy.com LeoneL

    @Allenp, how is smoking too much weed bad for him? Or anyone else for that matter? Nah, just kiddin’.

  • onlyclipsfanonslam

    @allenp why the hate? His game is part of the reason why there are so many talented young PG’s in the game today. I’m sure Curry and Young Buck wanted to learn that wrap around pass. Nothing wrong with making the game beautiful and creative. You are pointing out his issues… so what a guy in his 20′s with all the money in the world isn’t that motivated? He isn’t the first and he won’t be the last, at least he changed his game to suit an NBA role. Maybe the best part about J-Will is how he grew up as a person? I wish there are more J-Will’s out there in the NBA, it makes it better for us the fans

  • jbizz

    i always believed that if he had ended up in the right system with a coach who let him play his game he might still be doing his thing now. kid of like nash wit the suns

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    I’m with Teddy. I honestly never really liked White Chocolate. Game was more flash than substance.
    Eboy’s right though, he was pretty pivotol in the Heat’s championship run. He crushed Detroit in that one game.

  • Trout

    I have watched this five times now and I still want more. I wish him and Mcgrady and VC were in their prime on one team would have been sick.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Clipsfan
    Um, I pointed out the assets in the cats game, and said he had the talent to be an all-time great. But he failed.
    That ain’t hate, that’s stating the facts. I didn’t grow up in the era where everybody got sunshine blown up their butts when they failed and were congratulated for “trying hard and having fun.”
    When I was a kid, if you failed, you failed. And nobody told you that you were great, they told you to do better.
    Different era, I guess.

  • http://fdsjklf.com Jukai

    Allenp: Was this 200 years ago?
    Just bustin’ yer balls, sorry!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’m still trying to figure out when Eboy was considered a bust. He was dope in Sacramento, got his game under control in Memphis, was the starting guard for an NBA champion in Miami and has found his niche as a solid backup in Orlando at the end of his career. Where did he “fall off” or whatever the cool term is nowadays for being irrelevant?

  • total scrotal implosion

    Jwill and hubie was one of best pg-coach combos ever. Hubie really helped him become a nba pg, not and1. Those memphis teams were nice, but always had a turrible matchup in the first round and got bounced. Wait, where did my pen go? Now I cant write anymore, homie

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Irrelevant is Damon Jones or Boobie Gibson…let’s not kid ourselves.

  • total scrotal implosion

    Im with eboy here, I didnt ever see the real eboy as all time great potential. Sure, he could have been a lil better but, young ncrazy in sac, cool n control in mtown, ring in mia running the show, now nice backup as he ages

  • http://jaredmintzisthetruth.blogspot.com Jared

    It’s not that he fell off, he just kinda regressed to the mean instead of taking that next step in his career and becoming an elite point guard. His assist numbers dropped from 2003 at 8.3 to 2006 at 4.9. He became a role player when he could have been a star. There’s nothing wrong with that, but he was a sensation when he came into the league and he peaked really early.

  • http://jaredmintzisthetruth.blogspot.com Jared

    to his credit his fg pct was getting better every year and he did definitely get his game under control, but I think it’s fair to say he could have had a better career. It’s not like he had anything to do with Miami winning in 2006, he played well but he wasn’t that significant.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Jared….that’s inaccurate, he was pretty solid for the Heat and contributed some really overlooked moments in that title run. They needed a solid veteran at the point and it was him….NOT THE HOF’er Gary Payton, who led the team most nights from the point. Payton had a couple of nice moments in that run, but he wasn’t the catalyst.

  • http://jaredmintzisthetruth.blogspot.com Jared

    Na man, it was Dylan theory. What are the 5 reasons the heat won in 2006? D-Wade, D-Wade, D-Wade, D-Wade, D-Wade. J Will had a couple of big playoff games but to pretend he was a night-in, night-out contributor towards their playoff run? come on…he scored over 15 in 4 of 23 games. Over 5 assists in 4 games as well. I know the games more about numbers but he wasn’t controlling the games. He contributed, he didn’t make them lose. But it’s not like they won because of him.

  • http://jaredmintzisthetruth.blogspot.com Jared

    *the games more than numbers

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Wade only exploded in the last 4 games against the Mavs….the rest of that run had a much more balanced effort between the squad. Jason wasn’t going to get 20 a night with Shaq, Wade, sh*t even with Antoine Walker in the lineup. Those dudes needed (and got) all the shots they could handle. They needed a distributor…someone who wouldn’t make the ball stick at the one. Eboy worked it. The season before? Damon Jones failed at that. Ever since? The Heat still are light at the point. Just saying.

  • http://jaredmintzisthetruth.blogspot.com Jared

    It’s a valid point, I don’t think we’re trying to sh!t on J-Dub, I just think it’s factual that he didn’t reach his potential. He still had a very good career and I don’t know, maybe it isn’t a shame that his legacy is what it is at this point, but he could have been a more impactful player in the league…no?

  • onlyclipsfanonslam

    @allenp lmao why do you take ranking people so seriously. Does it really irk you that a guy didn’t live up to his potential? Like I said he isn’t the first and won’t be the last. I am glad I enjoyed him when he was White Chocolate. Also, nice touch in alluding that I am some young cat like I am not mature enough to understand what failure is. All this coming from a guy that gets bent out of shape that he has to sound off over the internet, when a guy who has no real effects on his life doesn’t live up to potential.

  • xplore

    I COULD ONLY SAY EVERY PLAYERIN THAT VIDEO AGAINST HIM GOT SERVED. GREAT PLAYER WHEN HE HAD IT. HE HAD A GREAT CAREER, PLAYED WITH RANDY MOSS, TOP POINT GUARD 4 A WHILE, MADE THE NUMBER 55 COOL IN BASKETBALL, AND HE GOT A RING. NOW WHO IS HE? i mean he’s not even in nba 2k10!?!?!?

  • http://jaredmintzisthetruth.blogspot.com Jared

    Clipsfan it’s about love of the game. As fans we’re entitled to want more of the guys who show us what they’re capable of. It sucks that Eddy Curry, Tyson Chandler and Kwame Brown all suck when they were supposed to be the next Shaq, Admiral and KG. Maybe that’s a stretch but those guys were introduced to the league as next. It would be more enjoyable if Telfair really was dominating the league and Steve Francis wouldve had a longer career. Jason Williams was the most exciting player in the league for a few years, maybe he was capable of more.

  • http://deleted KH10

    i straight jumped out of my chair when i first saw his dunk on Mario Ellie, one of my favourite sneak dunks of all time. JWill is the man!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    JWill was so fun to watch def has the best handle of any white boy ever.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Alright I can’t front, that was a great mix, and those plays were freaking sweet. But I don’t take back what I said earlier.
    And damn, how can you not like the mix with the music in the background? One of my favorite songs ever.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Clipsfan
    For the record, I didn’t rank anyone. I commented on JWill’s wasted talent initially, and talked about his overall game later.
    We’re talking on the internet, and the last time I checked, the internet doesn’t convey tone or emotion. So, I’m confused about how I got “irked.”
    Where was I irked? What exactly made me seem upset? The fact that I wasn’t fawning over the highlight reel that I”m sure any regular viewer of basketball highlights on You Tube has seen several times?
    JWill had the potential and talent to outstanding. Anybody who watched him closely in Sacremento could see that. Like Jared noted, dude was almost averaging 9 assists at one point, and breaking cats off something nasty. I mean, I remember when Kobe wanted NO PARTS of trying to guard JWill. None.
    In my opinion, he could never seem to master his aggressiveness, while at the same time mastering his penchant for showmanship. He never found that balance and truly harnessed his talent. So, like Derrick Coleman, or Shawn Kemp, and even Allen Iverson, he wasted his talent to a certain degree because he didn’t fully maximize his gifts, in my opinion. Doesn’t mean he was a bum, and I apologize if I gave that impression with my initial comment. But, it does mean he wasted an opportunity.
    It was an observation. That’s what people typically make on comments sections.
    And my comment was saying you didn’t know anything about failure. My comment was noting that you seem to think the default response to things should be “Great job, way to go!”
    Different era. And I ain’t even that old.

  • http://www.twitter.com/retepadam Peter Nygaard

    I contributed to #3.

  • nza

    What a joy it was to watch him and Webber together back then.

  • Dyce

    I remember an interview with Stephon Marbury when they asked him about Jason Williams. Dont remember the exact wording but he said something to the effect that, Coaches only let him play like that because he is white; and that they dont give city guards that kind of rope. Then proceeded to drop 30 and 10 on Williams.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    At least we all agree dude was entertaining, not a H.O.F.er But hella fun.. Glad he got his ring.

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    if only he played for nellie.

  • drosefan

    C-Webb and Bibby won more, but he and J-Will were a lot more fun to watch.
    @Dyce Yeah, now J-Will is still in the league backing up Jameer Nelson on a championship contending team and he already has a ring as a starting point guard while Marbury is over in China doing who knows what. I think Marbury would love to be in Jason’s position right now.

  • Dyce

    Rose shouldn’t start, Should be Chauncy and Westbrook. Rose was getting killed by that brazillian point gaurd.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    I’d say he’s about as “relevant” as Sam Cassell, which isnt a bad thing.. Except JWill was never selected to the all-star game, was he?

  • Dyce

    Wrong thread!

  • Dyce

    I think if Marbury really wanted to be, and wasnt looney tunes. He could still be a back up in the league.

  • Overtime

    @ Dyce, just shows how low Marburys IQ is

  • hammer

    Still got that slam mag! Crossover on gp:like black rob says “whoa!” Classic.

  • Hussman25

    I have to be honest, I commented earlier w/o actually watching this highlight mixtape. I am so glad I have. This mix made me ooohhh, aaahhh, woah, laugh and smile. Pretty much what the game of basketball is supposed to do for fans and players alike. This made me remember how fun the game is and should be. Players like J-Will’s dont come around too often. Critics chastized him for not playing “the right way”. All flash and no substance?!?! That was unfair. With all the TO’s, not playing in 4th quarters, etc… He was and is a hell of a player and ballhandler! (SN: Pete Rock & CL Smooth’s “Reminise T.R.O.Y. was a perfect choice)

  • http://nicekicks.com meloman2.0

    Waste of talent? i think thats a bit of an exageration… i mean. dude has a ring and was one of the most influential players of his generation. I’m pretty sure ther r guys who would kill to have a career like this guy

  • http://nationofmillions.ca ciolkstar

    One of the best youtube mixes I’ve seen in a while. Great song too. Man, that old issue takes me back to the days when (sorry) SLAM was that real sh!t.
    I guess he could’ve been better, sure, but we all could be better at our jobs right? Young dude made the game fun and when he got older he played a role and got a chip. I say good for him. He didn’t owe us any more than that. AllenP is just hating.

  • http://slamonline.com westcoastin

    CLASSIC RIGHT THERE CROSSIN UP GP AND GPs LIL PUNK ASS TRYNA TRIP HIM UP BUT DIDNT WORK SO GP GOT DOUBLE BURNED WAM BAM THANK U MAM!!!

  • http://slamonline.com Dave.

    Best highlight reel ever.

  • tavoris

    talent-wise, he shoulda been an era-defining player. He never really seemed to have the drive to be a dominant PG tho. Can’t really knock him, cuz he has carved out a long career by coasting on his talent.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Thank you Tavoris.
    BossTerry
    Comparing Jwill to Sam Cassell is borderline blasphemy. Sam has three rings, and was super clutch to get two of them. He was super clutch in numerous other situations in the league, and has a legacy of overall success and sustained excellence despite some talent limitations. There is no comparison.
    Ciolkstar
    “If I don’t like it I don’t like it, don’t mean that I’m hating.”

  • Bruno

    this is the only time i agree with eboy in the comments

  • miller126

    All-Rookie First Team in ’99. The dude at one time was advertised by The League and Nike on the same page as Kobe, Garnett, Duncan, and Iverson. Remember the hip-hop cartoons played by Nike in the ’00 Playoffs? The dude was that big and popular, top 5 in jersey sales, was one of the biggest vote getters in the 2001 all star game in the west and was snubbed, after seeing what he did in the 2000 rookie game, as a fan I was pissed. The dude was still killin it in Memphis, but the league showed no love to him then and no one saw any of his ridiculous highlights or games there. Led the Grizz to their only 50 win season in ’04. Killed Nash in the ’05 playoffs (even tho the grizz lost, wheres Pau?). Got the ring in ’06, as a starter. Named to the all time top 25 players for the Heat in ’07. Jwill is and will always be the man, check youtube. The man just might have the most illest mixes on the web, and there’s still more out there that no one has seen. I have over 50 vhs tapes with jwill highlights I’ve yet to seen on the web. Props to SLAM for showing love to Jwill, also love the article on him in issue #140, as one of his biggest fans I really appreciated it!

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  • socal

    Which white boy has better handles? Man which black guys have better? Some guys may be quicker, but not better with the ball.

  • Chad Wiggins

    good stuff man…. i have a cat that i loved growing up, the same way u love J will… he never got the hype that J will got, nor was he even in the same stratosphere as far as flash goes, but i just loved how he played… bobby sura….. dude played hard…. was in a dunk contest, three point contest… mostly a good role player, but in his one season with the hawks, where he was allowed to play the point and run the show, he was awesome… 16 ppg 7 assist 7 reb…. was named team mvp… even had back to back to back triple doubles.. although the league discounted the last one…. always trying to keep the white man down lol…. any way man, it was nice to be hit with the j will rundown… i kind of felt like he fell off after sac, but listening to u recount his career, its clear he didnt… thanks for taking the time to comment from a true fans perspective… i enjoyed reading ur reply

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