For Old Time’s Sake: MJ ’91 season Opener

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• The Philosopher Posted: Aug.11 at 10:47 am
  Ol’ Mike.

• niQ Posted: Aug.11 at 10:48 am
  Maybe they should just have a show on TV showing all of Jordan’s games…in HD.

• lexluther703 Posted: Aug.11 at 10:50 am
  The best to ever do it… we need a ‘for old time’s sake..’ about my man Len Bias for real though

• SpaceJam Posted: Aug.11 at 10:51 am
  Damn! I had never seen that dunk before. He almost jumped over the guy. Ashame he lost his hops, he had a 50 inch vert as a rookie.

• Ali Posted: Aug.11 at 10:54 am
  I’mma have to dust off my “Come Fly with Me” VHS tape..Classic! Can we get a Hank Gathers ‘for old time sake’ soon to SLAM.

• Gerard Himself Posted: Aug.11 at 10:58 am
  perfect teamwork. Great D, Paxson was sharp and made a nice pass, Horace Grant boxed out his man so Jordan could go right up there. And King was booed during the ring ceremony? That’s harsh. Anyway, he was booed during the ring ceremony according to the announcers, so this is not the “’91 season”, it’s the ’92 season. They didn’t went on to win their first title, they went on to win their second title. The game date is November 1st, 1991. So Schneezy, might want to correct your post…..

• Schneezy Posted: Aug.11 at 11:08 am
  @Gerard Himself…touche, sir…touche. post updated.

• Eboy Posted: Aug.11 at 11:12 am
  The kiddies should watch this about 1000 times to understand what it was like nightly with the dude….NIGHTLY! Not just every 8 or 9 games like the guys today come up with sh*t and then make claims to being the “greatest”. Luckily, there’s unlimited supplies of Mike stuff to quiet the dummies.

• The Seed Posted: Aug.11 at 11:17 am
  A nice dunk.

• slamfan4life Posted: Aug.11 at 11:18 am
  Lol @ Stacey King getting booed, he’s a helluva braodcaster right now haha

• L Posted: Aug.11 at 11:48 am
  Amazing pass by Pax. Jus kiddin..L

• JE Posted: Aug.11 at 11:56 am
  damn.

• Jay c Posted: Aug.11 at 12:12 pm
  Kobe would have shot it right from where he stole the ball. And then glared at his teammates for not boxing out.

• Sparker Posted: Aug.11 at 12:25 pm
  $

• Jukai Posted: Aug.11 at 12:29 pm
  You know, it’s Jordan, and there’s everyone else. No one is even close. Sorry Kobe. Sorry Magic. Sorry Lebron.

• Nanny Stopper Posted: Aug.11 at 12:31 pm
  Yeah, sweet dunk, but that certainly wasn’t a foul.

• airs Posted: Aug.11 at 1:49 pm
  and that was a ROUTINE play. no chest pounding or screaming after that one. players today would celebrate a lay up and-1

• Run'N'Gun219 Posted: Aug.11 at 1:52 pm
  SHNEEZY YOU ARE THE MAN . I THINK THIS IS MY FAVORITE IDEA SLAM HAS COME UP WITH. FEW SUGGESTIONS : CAN WE GET A CLYDE,CWEBB, MARBURY,VAN EXCEL, MOOKIE BLYLOCK ANTHONY MASON,KOKOC,MAMOUD ADUL RAUF, STEVE FRANCIS, GRANT HILL,STOCTON, MARK PRICE,ISIAH THOMAS FOR OLD TIME SAKE… PLEASE!!!!

• Gerard Himself Posted: Aug.11 at 1:53 pm
  @Schneezy: reading my post back, it might’ve come off as arrogant. That wasn’t my intention at all (I could’ve just said: “wrong season”_) Hail to the King! (Stacey)

• EJ Posted: Aug.11 at 1:53 pm
  No way MJ had a 50 inch vert, I don’t believe he had a 48 inch vert either.

• Fat Lever Posted: Aug.11 at 2:04 pm
  Damn, he did my Sixers dirty. I think that was Ron Anderson he practically Lipton’d. It never seemed like MJ jumped, it was more like gliding or floating through the air.

• Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Aug.11 at 2:19 pm
  @EJ; that Sixers player standing underneath the basket sure believed the 50 inch vert. Co-sign Jukai’s comment. Sorry fellas Mike wont be topped for a long long time. LeBron might have had a chance but it wont happen playing second fiddle on Wade’s team.

• Larsylad Posted: Aug.11 at 2:26 pm
  My oh my

• Schneezy Posted: Aug.11 at 2:26 pm
  @ runngun. thanks for the love, glad you are enjoying. starting tomorrow I will be adding an email address to the posts for people to send videos to… slamteam@harris-pub.com. you send links to vids, i will check them out and hopefully get some up. I will still also be posting vids I deem worthy but am open to suggestions.

• Gman Posted: Aug.11 at 2:31 pm
  GOAT!

• Allenp Posted: Aug.11 at 2:32 pm
  that boy got Weised.
  Is that Doug Collins doing the play-by-play? Weird.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Aug.11 at 2:39 pm
  @Jukai, MJ is not even close to being the GOAT. Know why, because there’s no G.O.A.T. and never will be.

• Jukai Posted: Aug.11 at 2:42 pm
  JTaylor21: Do you want to give reasoning, or…?

• matt Posted: Aug.11 at 2:42 pm
  I think the older film add’s to the effect of his greatness.

• Jdubbs Posted: Aug.11 at 3:13 pm
  Now, if I’m that guy, I’m going after that ball hard, and give him a foul in the least. Why stand right under the basket and try to take a charge? Jordan was the best. And if he were playing in his prime today, he would be the best still.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Aug.11 at 3:29 pm
  @Jukai, here are my reasons. For one MJ never played against prime Kareem, Wilt, Russel, Oscar, West and many others so how can he be better than someone he never played against. Dude even said it himself. Two, how can you say that MJ’s career was even better than Kareem when the cap has more points, rebounds, blocks, MVPs,and the same amount of chips. Last but not least, there is no GOAT because there is no one player that is clear cut above every other Top=10 all-time great. Just because MJ sold more shoes or had more commercials doesn’t mean that his numbers and accolades dwarfs other top 10 greats as I pointed out with Kareem numbers. Same goes with Magic/Russel/Hakeem/West/Oscar/Bird. STOP disrespecting other greats with all these MJ is the GOAT BS.

• Allenp Posted: Aug.11 at 3:31 pm
  That was actually a reasonable argument by JTaylor.

• Chi-Town Stand Up Posted: Aug.11 at 3:55 pm
  @Jukai…I’m glad at least 1 other person understands with me that MJ will always be the greatest! It’s not just the 6 championships alone that help to define him as the greatest, but it’s all of the individual accomplishments that separate MJ from everyone else. ( 6 rings, 6 finals MVP’s, 5 reg. season MVP’s, 10 consecutive scoring titles, Highest scoring average in league history, 10 time all NBA 1st team, 9 time all NBA defensive 1st team; an NBA record that he shares with “The Glove” Gary Payton, Defensive player of the year as a 2 guard!, 14 time all star, 3 time all star MVP, Rookie of the Year, One of the 50 greatest players in league history, and I can’t forget his 2 Olympic gold medals! Who in history has a resume like that! He was by far not only the greatest, but the most dominant player EVER!

• dma Posted: Aug.11 at 4:03 pm
  foul? at least dwade gets bumped =P

• Chi-Town Stand Up Posted: Aug.11 at 4:06 pm
  @JTaylor21… With the exception of Hakeem, How many times did those guys LOSE in the finals?! To be the Greatest means you have 2 get it done when you’re playing for the Trophy! West lost 9 times in the finals, so how is MJ not better than him? Look at my previous comment!

• dfrance Posted: Aug.11 at 4:20 pm
  Doubt he has a 50inch vert, but look at how easily he got into the air. He barely planted his feet and damn-near leapfrogged the guy. @JTaylor I feel your argument, there is no way to say who was better than who. I just think its easier to conceive that MJ, in his prime, could dominate guys like Oscar Robertson and Jerry West if he played in that era. Not because of his skill, even though he is highly skillful, but because of the huge disparity in athleticism. One could easily believe that there is no way those guys could check MJ, even in their primes. However if West or the Big O or even Kareem played in the 90s early 2000s, its easy to think that while they would be good players, they would fall short athletically. Again, all speculation, but its easier to go in MJs favor in my opinion.

• HAMBONE Posted: Aug.11 at 4:25 pm
  mj is g.o.a.t. fact.no other player can give me a boner watching them play.

• M5 Posted: Aug.11 at 4:34 pm
  So, Mike played against guys who couldn’t even catch the ball. No wonder he is considered the G.O.A.T. lol j/k.

• TP Posted: Aug.11 at 4:46 pm
  Defense. Crazy dunk. And yeah, he made the free throw too.

• c_cantrell Posted: Aug.11 at 4:56 pm
  nice arguement JTaylor21.. very very true

• Jukai Posted: Aug.11 at 4:57 pm
  JTaylor: You make some good points. I still think if you combine all factors that you’d think of when comparing the greatest (Championships, skill, dominance, individual accolades, how he effected the league) you see Jordan sky above everyone else. But I really can’t argue with anything you just said.
  One thing I’ll note though, is that you have to factor in the limited time Jordan played the game when you see his career averages. You should definitely get points for longevity, but Jordan third on the all-time scoring list by only playing 14-years…. crazy!
  dfrance: While I don’t necessarily agree with JTaylor, I strongly disagree with you. West and Kareem were ludicrous athletes who would stick out even in today’s league. West’s height would hurt him, but Kareem wouldn’t even miss a step in today’s league. Well, he’d probably pick up a lot more lazy fouls, but other then that, he’s fine.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Aug.11 at 5:09 pm
  @DFrance so ur telling me that guys who were the top athletes back in their days would struggle today. If you transform them from their era to today, they would be doing the same workout regimes that players do today. I think that someone either eboy or jukai said something about west having good hops and great quickness and everybody knows that Oscar was like Dr.j/MJ before those guys. If anything those guys would be just as good as they were in the 60/70s. Just imagine a bigger, stronger jerry west with the same midrange and defensive skills in today’s game. If guys like Dirk and Bird can dominate without being overly athletic, why can’t west and other past greats do the same.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Aug.11 at 5:22 pm
  @Jukai, I 100% agree with you on the per game average because the only person fuc*ing with MJ with regards to PPG is Wilt, so I’ll give u that. But I tend to look at the combined numbers which puts guys like Kareem/Wilt/Magic/Hakeem/etc. in the same plane as MJ. If you look at the top ten scorers of all-time in terms of PPG, there sre only two Foward/Center while the rest are guards. Guards are always going to have better scoring avg. than big men because the ball tends to being in their hands a lot more and big men have to rely on the guards willingness to pass to the post. Anyways I love when we both can agree to disagree peacefully.

• Allenp Posted: Aug.11 at 5:34 pm
  Yeah, Wilt, Oscar, Kareem and several others were crazy athletes.

• Jukai Posted: Aug.11 at 6:03 pm
  JTaylor: Relook at the numbers. Not counting players still playing (cause their numbers can decline in terms of PPG in their later years) you see five guards, four forwards, and a center (Jordan, Chamberlain, Baylor, West, Iverson, Pettit, Gervin, Robertson, Malone, Wilkins). Seems pretty even to me. I assume you looked at the current list (with Lebron and Wade in that group) but I don’t like to count those guys, their numbers may rise or drop.
  You make a great point about guards dominating the ball and scoring easier, but you gotta look at the careers… Chamberlain had the ball in his hands 24/7. Hakeem had a team full of spot-up shooters at the guard spot. Pettit never met a shot he didn’t like.
  Your point definitely stands with someone like Kareem, who had to let the Big O/Magic control the ball for two thirds of his career.

• Jukai Posted: Aug.11 at 6:05 pm
  Was the Big O a crazy athlete? I’ve heard legendary stories about West, Kareem and Chamberlain, but not about Robertson.

• davidR Posted: Aug.11 at 6:48 pm
  schneezy, your FOTS posts bring out the best bball discussions on SLAMonline. good stuff.
  on a sidenote, i wonder if there arent dumb posts made by youngins and dummies because they view these clips as old school ballers who have no relevance in today’s nba?

• davidR Posted: Aug.11 at 6:50 pm
  i mean, check the difference in tone in jtaylor21′s posts haha. here, he is civilized and brings up great points about all-time discussions. but in anything that involves the current nba, he’s ripping someone every 1.5 posts haha. i guess it’s a minor way of tracking what posts the real bball commenters check on this site

• JL Posted: Aug.11 at 7:30 pm
  this was some good stuff. jumping over people before frederick weiss was walking.

• Erika Badu Posted: Aug.11 at 8:19 pm
  WOW… GREAT FOUL CALL! The kiddies should watch this 1000 times to understand that these were the kinda calls he got all game nightly… NIGHTLY!! Not every 8 or 9 games.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Aug.11 at 8:36 pm
  Ha, good one Erika. I roll with EBoy on most of his comments but you got him on that one.

• Overtime Posted: Aug.11 at 8:51 pm
  Just a look into how things are in the U.K. If I were to go into a normal street and say ”Chamberlain. Kobe. Celtics. Free Throw. The Forum. David Stern. Series. M.V.P” almost no-one would know what the hell I am talking about.
  If i said ”Micheal Jordan”, everybody knows the name

• JTaylor21 Posted: Aug.11 at 8:58 pm
  @Overtime just because those blokes with rotten teeth know his name doesn’t mean he is the G.O.A.T.

• Eboy Posted: Aug.11 at 9:04 pm
  Yeah….cause the foul call is what everyone watched this for….fuc$ing dope.

• The Promise Posted: Aug.11 at 9:21 pm
  G.O.A.T.

• The Promise Posted: Aug.11 at 9:21 pm
  And yes, there is a GOAT, and its Michael.

• barnabusb Posted: Aug.11 at 9:26 pm
  Someone with connections at the NBA really needs to push the idea for the league to release entire seasons of teams to purchase over teh interwebz. Imagine going back and watching the entire 71-72 Lakers season where they whooped everyone? Seeing the entire MJ runs again? Imagine if you could do a whole season for $50 or something? I’d buy seasons in the summer to hold me over.

• The Philosopher Posted: Aug.11 at 10:33 pm
  Magic Johnson is The Greatest Player Who Has Ever Lived.

• JTaylor21 Posted: Aug.11 at 10:35 pm
  @Barnabusb, I’ll pay double maybe even triple for that service. The team I like to see the most; either the 71 Bucks (Kareem/Oscar) or the 83 Sixers (Malone/Dr.J/Toney).

• The Promise Posted: Aug.11 at 11:12 pm
  I actually agree with you on this one JTaylor, I’m quite shocked we can agree on something. I’d personally like to go back and watch Bill Russell’s Celtic teams who obliterated the league for a decade. Then I would like to go back and watch every single game Jordan ever played. I would pay big bucks for that.

• Jukai Posted: Aug.12 at 1:46 am
  I’d like to watch all of Walton’s trailblazers during their championship year

• black pinoy Posted: Aug.12 at 5:33 am
  I would pay to watch Antoine Carr’s workout routine!. NOT!!!

• Future Guy Posted: Aug.12 at 7:53 am
  Didn’t the Bulls end up losing this game?

• barnabusb Posted: Aug.12 at 8:08 am
  It’s kind of a niche market for the hardcore fans, but what else is the league doing with all of that footage? Release it online and make some bucks! I guess one issue is that the games just might be pretty boring/crappy to watch, and the league doesn’t want us to see that. Like maybe they’d rather us have a certain memory of Pistol Pete based on highlight packages they’ve put together instead of actually watching his games, which migth have been a little bit painful. But I still think it’s a good idea.

• Jayemmbee Posted: Aug.12 at 11:52 am
  MJ = GOAT , End of story

• Overtime Posted: Aug.12 at 1:46 pm
  @Jtaylor, does show that he is a global icon unmacthed by any other to play in the NBA though. Maybe all american sports, i dont think theres another american sports star that comes any near to being as recognizable here.
  (Also, not all of us have rotten teeth, but good to show ur maturity levels)

• Allenp Posted: Aug.13 at 11:41 am
  The stories I’ve read have said that Oscar dominated folks athletically early on, but wasn’t flashy. He was all fundamentals, but with the athletic ability to make that scary.