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Friday, August 6th, 2010 at 10:40 am  |  209 responses

For Old Time’s Sake: SHAQ DIESEL

At least in my lifetime, there has never been a more dominant center in the NBA. Straight out of LSU, Shaq was a nightmare for opposing defenses and just appeared bigger, stronger, and hungrier than anyone else. Diving for loose balls, going coast-to-coast, bringing down backboards, and of course…. entertaining,  were all a part of his monster personality and monster skill set. SLAMonline’s own Ryne Nelson hooked ya’ll up with this video from Shaq’s rookie season many moons ago. YOU CAN’T STOP THE REIGN.

-Schneezy

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  • Babygab

    Yup ! Shaq Attack, Shak Fu, when I see these images I really think he should retire. Because every year you hope that he’s gonna give you a bit of that, but he just can’t. Shaq was great man…

  • http://gmail dirty frank

    Wow.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    I still can’t believe someone on SLAMonline compared him to Jahidi White…

  • The Philosopher

    The MOST dominant center… ever.
    In history.
    Period.

  • Babygab

    Seriously, Dwight Howard has a lot of improvement to do SMH

  • http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/thevintagescene__W0QQ_armrsZ1 jaydee

    His game was so like dwight howards its untrue. Dwights naturally a much better athlete though, but i dont know if he will have the same legacy as diesel.

  • Babygab

    Seriously Dwight Howard has a lot of improvement to do SMH

  • newzealanderinlondon

    Reminds me of the great Michael Olowokandi…

  • Chitown Spaz

    He was a BAD BAD man momma……a bad man

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    If I had to pick any center in NBA history to build a team around, Shaq would be my guy…straight up unstoppable.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    There will never be another like this guy.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    Wilt is still the most dominant center ever Philosopher. Look at his stats. There should not even be a discussion about that.

  • oms23

    he was the man! i remember those rim ratlling slams back in 95 i had those reeboks with the pumps on them that needed actual small pumps to deflate and inflate i hated how the rockets sweep them i was a magics fan all the way back in the days long live the 90s ball

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If he would have gone to Georgetown, he would have been known as the “Ultimate Destroya”! He was such a force, it was ridiculous.

  • The Philosopher

    Kap:
    I’m telling you something good, brethren.
    Shaq is the most dominant of all times.
    Stats do not tell the entire story in a many a case.

  • http://SLAMonline.com GotHandles?

    absolutely owns robert parrish at :57

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The reverse pivot on Parish and the face-up dunk against Patrick are ridiculously good.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Shaq was off the charts in his early years…that is all.

  • tavoris

    Shaq was the hardest guy for any team to prepare for? How could you possibly reproduce that size, strength, and agility?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    skinny shaq was disgustingly nice. man, if he had stayed that size, goodness. Big shaq was unstoppable, but skinny shaq was ridiculously scary.

  • underdog

    I never really liked his game, but it’s hard to argue about his effectiveness. Check those rings, MVP awards and FG%s. I would take Hakeem over him, though.

  • arthur

    Were all those dunks on Parish in the same game?

  • cramzy

    okay…lets chill on the Dwight Howard comparisons…I forgot how raw slim Shaq was! Bringing up the ball, no look passing?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Dwight Howard wishes he could be Shaq. He wishes he could move with the fluidity in the post, could have those scoring instincts.
    And if I was building a team, I would still take Kareem or Hakeem.

  • http://www.laumol.nl/weblog Laumol

    He loved to dunk on Robert Parish. Think that will haunt him now he’s in Green himself?

  • ben

    @The Philosopher: He never led the league in rebounds per game. At his size its a shame. His best was 13.9 which is a little bit more than half of Wilt’s best.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    Hakeem is in close second for me…I still think that there was never really a way to prepare for or gaurd shaq. Hakeem’s skill level was just off the charts though. He wasn’t even on the same planet as the other centers of his era as far skill goes.

  • http://slamonline.com JL

    if he coulda stayed skinny, he would be straight up the best player in nba history. once he let his weight get up, that’s when or a sign of him getting lazy. hakeem was able to dominate him in hakeem’s prime/shaq’s early days though. so maybe him getting bigger/stronger did make him better. i miss seeing drob trying to stop him and can’t and just be so frustrated cuz he’s such a good defender already.

  • http://www.twitter.com/gerardhimself Gerard Himself

    sick.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    @ ben – you’re comparing players from completely different eras and that’s where relying on stats can become dangerous. Do you really think Wilt would have had the stats he had playing against all the great centers in the 90′s? Would he have ever had a 100 point game playing against Hakeem, Ewing, David Robinson, Shaq, etc on a nightly basis? Conversely, wouldn’t you think Shaq would be WAY more dominant than he already was playing in Wilt’s era? They’re two great players from two completely different eras.

  • tavoris

    well put, wayno.

  • MikeC.

    Shaq really enjoyed dunking on Robert Parish back in the day.

  • http://sdfjklf.com Jukai

    Wayno: No, Chamberlain would not have those stats. 50-25 is way too high. But is it hard to imagine Chamebrlain with 35-15? Stats that put Shaq to shame?

  • The Philosopher

    Ben:
    Guys in Wilt’s day…
    Shaq would have destroyed them.
    Cosign Wayno.

  • The Philosopher

    Jukai:
    You really think Wilt would have done 35-15 today?

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    I think 35-15 is a bit lofty even for Wilt against the centers in the 90′s. I think he’d be right there with the best of them in terms of greatness, but I don’t think he’d be head and shoulders above them like that.

  • The D Train

    Good grief.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    And really, Shaq’s 30-13 isn’t all that far off from your proposed numbers for Wilt…

  • The Philosopher

    And, where is The Seed?
    He is my dude, too.

  • MikeC.

    @The Philosopher – In today’s game, I think Wilt and a slim Shaq could do 35-15. There aren’t many real centers. They’d put up monster stats against most of the teams in the league that start undersized 4′s or stiffs at the 5. I don’t think Wilt would be too worried about matching up against Kwame, Darko, Brad Miller, or Ben Wallace. The 80′s and 90′s would be a different story with Akeem/Hakeem, Ewing, Laimbeer, Admiral, Zo, Mt. Mutombo, etc.

  • Overtime

    What the HELL is Jaydee talking about?
    Love the dance at the end

  • The D Train

    I would take Hakeem, though. Shaq was a monster, no doubt, but I’d say other than being able to pull down entire basket supports, Hakeem had Shaq beat in every category…better rebounder, better passer, better foot-work, better range. Hakeem was seriously the whole package. Shaq’s combo of power and athleticism was something to behold, though. Anyone remember when he went to LSU and was initially considered part of the Twin Towers with Stanley Roberts? Oh Big Stan, how we miss you…

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    @ D Train – I agree that Hakeem’s skill level was in a league of it’s own, but I think you’re under selling Shaq’s footwork, skill, and soft touch around the basket. Sure alot of that was overshadowed by his size/athleticism, but he was very skilled for his size too.

  • http://sdfjklf.com Jukai

    The Philosopher: Yes. Easily. Dude dislocated a disk in someone’s back by blocking a shot. He broke someone’s toe by dunking the ball so hard. So. Yes.

  • http://theurbangriot.com The Nupe

    Wow, I hope Shaq sees this and remembers just how athletic he was and how he could run the court when he was 75lbs lighter. Maybe he can talk to Jenny Craig, drop some weight and actually be 50% as effective as he once was (which would be a huge improvement from where he is now). You expect athletes to slow over the years, but many stay effective over time by working out regularly and watching the diet. But Shaq just never seemed to do either. It’s a shame to look at him now compared to then.

  • http://sdfjklf.com Jukai

    Also, Shaq’s 10-14 isn’t that far off from Wilt. I don’t think Wilt’s THAT far off above Shaq, like the difference between Shaq and Dampier. They are peers. I just believe CHamberlain would be a better player than Shaq.

  • slamfan4life

    Crazy stupid how fast he was, and we think Dwight is really good?

    Cosign D Train, Hakeem the dream>shaq

  • http://gmail dirty frank

    It bother’s me that people think a great player should retire when they stop being great. Shaq is still a relevant player in this league at his position. If a mediocre player can have a 15 year career putting up average numbers then let the greats continue playing when their numbers become average.

  • http://sdfjklf.com Jukai

    I would take Wilt, Jabbar, and Hakeem in their primes over Shaq. But people shouldn’t get offended by that— I wouldn’t be upset taking Shaq. When it comes to great centers, it’s really 1a, 1b, 1c, and 1d. It’s not like shooting guard where there is Jordan and everyone else.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    I’m just saying, at the Time Wilt came into the league there were literally only 4 players other than him taller than 6’8″…4 players! There are teams with 4 players in thier starting line up that are 6’8″ and taller now. Of course Wilt is going to put up 50 ppg when he only has to play someone that is less than 6″ shorter than he is a few times per year. I’m not trying to undersell Wilt’s greatness, but playing against that competition is like having in his prime Shaq play against Highschool players.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Jukai’s right……they can all make a claim at the top spot at center. It’s just a matter of preference of playing style.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    Cosign Jukai 12:02 – There’s no way someone would be dissapointed having any of these guys on thier team at any point…they’re all truely great players.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Shaq was unbridled brutality and overwhelming power at the height of his career.

  • The Philosopher

    The only reason I inquire about that is because, Wilt, offensively I believe, would have had a more difficult time scoring against players who are more equal physically to him, for in all honesty, Wilt didn’t have that many moves at his dispersal.
    Shaq didn’t either, but…
    @Mike C:
    Great points at 11:45a.m.
    But, even many of the centers today are at least bigger, stronger, and more athletic than the centers of Wilt’s day.
    And, I do believe that Shaq could do 35-15 today if he was in his prime.
    Arguable points, guys. Almost everybody.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Wilt was that to a lesser degree, with a better motor and a more well-defined defensive stature.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Hakeem was skill, grace and power…not quite the overwhelming force that Shaq or Wilt were, but just as effective because of his higher skill set.

  • Overtime

    All 3,( wilt, Dream and Shaq) were all spectacular and unique in their own way. There isn’t an arguement that completely puts one above the other. You can’t forget Kareem either.
    One area where Shaq is pretty much unrivalled though: Personality

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    Yeah, I’m liking this discussion…people making good points left and right…no stupidity involved.

  • http://sdfjklf.com Jukai

    Artis Gilmore was 7’1. He put up monster numbers. Chamberlain would completely obliterate the dude. In his 30s.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Kareem was all those things wrapped up in one, all at a slightly reduced level, but able to use his greater height to his advantage in almost every head to head matchup as well as the most unstoppable move of all those guys with the skyhook.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    My order of preference: 1) Kareem 2) Shaq 3) Hakeem 4) Wilt (his numbers were off, IMO, due to the lack of big athletic guys in his era) which too me is too hard to overlook.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    @ Jukai – again, not saying he would do well against players his size, but not playing guys his size on a nightly basis definitely inflated his stats.

  • http://aol.com Run’N'Gun219

    Shaq was that dude. and these are just showing his dunks. Shaq also had moves for that ass( not like hakeems) but that drop step to the middle of the lane was unstoppable as well as his right hand hook for the left block, not to mention how he would just D-Bo his way in the lane. He was really a Deisel. now i have to listen to “you cant stop the reign” and “outstanding” to cap it off

  • MikeC.

    I wonder what would happen to some of the dominant ‘finesse’ centers if they came along today. Would some coach get cute and try to make Hakeem or Admiral into 3s? They both had the skill-set to do it, just didn’t develop their games more than 15 feet from the basket because they played the 5 like real 5′s. Even though they were considered finesse (compared to Shaq), they played mostly in the paint.

  • The Philosopher

    In my opinion,
    (I know I keep repeating this on here)
    Kareem is the greatest center who has ever played the Game of Basketball in the NBA.

  • http://SLAMonline.com Schneezy

    @runngun219. Great Call on that. *See new video*

  • http://sdfjklf.com Jukai

    Wayno: Of course it inflated his stats. What we’re in disagreement about is how much. These greats like West, Russell, Baylor, they all played against inferior competition but put up numbers that have been reached before.
    No one has come close to Chamberlain numbers.
    If a player scores 20 points a game and grabs 10 rebounds, he’s viewed as great. Subtract that player from Chamberlain and the dude is still dropping 30-15.
    I look at a players’ athleticism when gauging how well he’d do in today’s age. Chamberlain’s was off the chart. He could jump higher than Shaq, run faster than Shaq, and only really gave up 15-20 pounds. He had a reliable spin move, turnaround jumper, and was great at pump faking around the basket. I don’t see how he couldn’t succeed.
    Not to say I’d choose him over Hakeem and Jabbar when choosing a team. Chamberlain reeaallly didn’t care too much about that winning thing.

  • unrel

    shaq’s early years.. he was crazy good.. i can’t think of any center since that had the total package that he had for a big man.. kid dominated.. period..

  • The Philosopher

    And Shaq, he is the last of an extinct breed of centers.
    Dwight Howard is decent. He will even be a Hall of Famer barring injuries, in my opinion.
    But he isn’t completely dominant.

  • unrel

    it’s really difficult to compare era’s.. you can’t take one player and plop him in another era and assume what he could or could not have done.. but in my opinion.. kareem is the best center in history (or at least my favorite).. to me… what makes him better than the others is in the final moments with the game on the line.. and you can’t deny that Cap leads the league in most points in history.. that’s as a player who depends on guards to get the ball to him.. dude dominated..

  • Overtime

    If Dwight had come along ten years earlier…would he have made an all-star game?

  • The D Train

    @Wayno’s 11:52 comment: I should have maybe specified, but I wasn’t knocking Shaq’s footwork, touch, etc. I simply meant that Hakeem’s was better…but since Hakeem was probably the most technically skilled all-around center ever, that’s not a knock against Shaq.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    @ Jukai – right, I think they would be very close to the same level if playing in each others respective eras. I’m just not sold on Wilt being better than Shaq when all that is based on is him dropping 50 ppg on unathletic 6’8″ players. I think it would be close, but I’m still going with Shaq. Like you said though, we’re talking 1a,b,c, and d here. They’re all great.

  • ab_40

    from 98 to 2005 he was the best c in the L. because hakeem stared to fall of after that year. but yeah shaq was so dominant. everybody hated him because there was nothing anyone could to stop him. too bad he didn’t like rebounding he could’ve broken some records if he had wanted to and that’s a huge if. but as I was saying Lakers Shaq> Orlando Shaq and it’s not even close.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    I hear ya D Train.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    Dude…I wish I could watch Prime Shaq play vs. Prime Wilt…that would be sick.

  • The Philosopher

    Jukai:
    We have to remember that the centers of Wilt’s day have nothing on the centers of today, and even as far back as the 70′s.
    Kareem and Hakeem got better as time progressed into their early to mid 30′s.
    Wilt, didn’t sustain that Hall of Fame level of play, in my opinion, going into his latter years of his career, because new breeds of dominant centers were emerging.
    He had issues getting older.

  • The D Train

    Juks makes a good point about Wilt’s athletic ability compared to his contemps. Was there anyone that was Shaq’s physical equal in his day? No. Wilt’s athletic ability and stamina were legendary. Would it be fair to say that Wilt, body-wise and athletically would be, at worst, equal to David Robinson? I believe that most of the guys that watched Wilt would say he’s more gifted than the Admiral, but if David is the worst-case comparison, then Wilt is still a first-ballot guy.

  • The Philosopher

    And yes, he was getting hurt, but even Ewing came back and was still playing at a Hall of Fame level.
    Ewing as we all know, has had multiple knee surgeries throughout his career.

  • The D Train

    was looking up the 94-95 finals between Shaq and Hakeem and found this link…it’s Shaq through and through: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Shaq-to-Hakeem-in-1995-I-want-you-one-on-one-?urn=nba-259999

  • MXL

    THE most dominant. Giggin’ on the world. He’s outstanding.

  • The D Train

    I really wish I could have seen young Kareem, pre-Kareem. By all accounts he was an absolute nightmare. Alas, I’m only left with memories of begoggled, balding, lumbering Kareem.Those damn knees of Ewing kept him from ever becoming what the entire east coast thought he was going to become. Too bad, because he seemed like a real warrior, but just didn’t have the hands or athletic ability of Robinson or Hakeem.

  • The D Train

    separately: how the hell do i get separate paragraphs on this site? is it HTML or some crap? computer illiterate dude tried typing in an HTML break code in that last post and it didn’t work. my rambling diatribes usually need to be broken up…or maybe i should just stop being such a rambling blowhard.

  • http://staticseth.blogspot.com Seth

    I would not want to be dunked on by this man.

  • The Philosopher

    Just press “enter” to start a new paragraph.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Actually, while Wilt could dominate physically, he was criticized for playing too finesse at times and settling for his quite potent turnaround, fadeaway jumper.
    And don’t forget he often dominated even with dunking because of the issues with rims breaking back in the day. Since I’ve only seen highlights of wilt, I can’t say whether he was better than Shaq, but just because he was more physically imposing than everybody in his era doesn’t mean he was a brute force player, like Shaq.
    Shaq had amazing athletic ability and great footwork. But, the biggest part of his game was brute force and he took advantage of the fact that most players didn’t have the fundamentals or will to take a beating from him. The only player I can think of who was willing and able to slow Shaq in his prime was Tim Duncan, and Duncan did that by forcing Shaq to make tough shots over defense, and boxing him out on the offensive glass. It worked quite well.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    If the site could hold these types of conversations more often….it wouldn’t be such a chore to want to post here.

    I agree with Allen, Timmy did good work against the Diesel, but the guy that played him the most effectively was The Worm. Not even close. He frustrated him in the three seasons he was with the Bulls almost every time they matched up.

  • arjae828

    Wilt played against slow 6 foot white guys (aside from Mr.Russell). Hakeem had better foot work & all that but pound for pound Shaq would dominate any center from any era. provided they played under the mondern era’s rules. it’s a em effin’ tragedy that he only has 1 mvp. 1? are you serious? the league owes Shaq at least 4 mvp’s. and Jason Kidd should have one too. It’s all politics. Knowing how much that award means to these players, how do these sports writers rob them so easily. Sam Cassel was never an allstar?! are you kidding me? nba coaches were buggin’ too! but i digress. shaq would & could (Have) take & break ALL challengers.

  • The Philosopher

    Shaq had respect for Todd McCollough too.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    You just cannot discredit a guy who avg 50 points and 20 something rebounds. I don’t care what the era is.

  • ramn

    Daym, nobody picking the Admiral as their centre? Guess i shouldn’t be surprised. But shouldn’t he at least be in the equation when people are talking about speed and athleticism at the centre position???

  • Yesse

    Shaq was a crazy player in his first 11 years in his Nba career. He is still very good, but on his prime he was one of the greatest.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I think Shaq forceablly knocked The Admiral out of the conversation in 1996 when he crushed him to the floor in that year’s All-Star game. Youtube THAT youngsters in need of basketball knowledge.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance

    Outside of the dunking and the complete rip off of the Superman thing, there is no comparison to Shaq and Howard. Howard will never be a great center. He’ll be really good, but not great. He’s too nice and he’s too stiff.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Allright, it wasn’t to the floor, but the Admiral got his decks polished, so to speak. Look up “Shaq dunks on David Robinson”… first listing.

  • http://sdfjklf.com Jukai

    The Philosopher: I sort of disagree with you there on yer last one man. I don’t see how you can say Wilt had a HUGE drop when the league started getting talented. Let’s compare Wilt’s final season, at age 36, to other guys at the age of 36:
    Wilt: 13.2/18.6/4.5 on 72% shooting
    Shaq: 17.8/8.4 /1.7 on 61% shooting
    Hakeem: 19 /9.6 /1.6 on 51% shooting
    Jabbar: 21.5/7.3 /2.6 on 58% shooting
    Malone: 15.6/9.1 /1.1 on 47% shooting
    Robinson:12.2/8.3 /1.2 on 51% shooting
    Looks pretty comparable to me, if not better in many ways. Wilt was still an absolute MONSTER in his old age. He just was a rebounding/passing/defensive monster, cause he had Greer/West/Baylor who could score instead of him.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    *without dunking

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Damn, didn’t realize Hakeem was still putting up numbers like that at 36. that’s crazy.
    Also, DRob isn’t in the discussion because both Shaq and Hakeem ate his lunch. Thus, he doens’t get into the convo when we’re talking about the greatest.
    Finally, Shaq was dominant and all, but for all the talent he had, and the talent he played with, he still has been swept from the playoffs like 4 or 6 times.

  • The Philosopher

    Jukai:
    I’m not saying he had SUCH a huge drop off,
    but it is considerable in comparison to the likes of Kareem, Shaq, and Hakeem.
    He did struggle a bit, though.
    True, he had other weapons then, but one could see him struggling.
    Great work, man.

  • The Philosopher

    Allenp:
    Competition is better today, as far as individuality.

  • http://sdfjklf.com Jukai

    I’m not sure he struggled. As I said, he really just stopped shooting. He was hitting 72% of his shots. He easily coulda gone for 20 but his role on the team was to pass, rebound, and play defense. I guarantee his blocks would have been off-the-charts.
    Kareem, though, is still the Greatest Center Ever, without question. Prime Kareem would take Shaq to school.

  • The D Train

    And it should be noted that Shaq did have Kobe and Wade when he won his titles. He was the best player on the Lakers teams, but not on Miami. Hakeem won his with an aging Drexler playing second fiddle, and relying heavily on Horry and Kenny Smith. Not to imply anything here, but that has to be a little bit of a bump up for Dream in the Hakeem-Shaq discussion, in addition to Allen’s point about Shaq being swept.

    I loved Shaq’s absolute dominance, and I think that there is a clear line that separates him and Dream from Robinson and Ewing, but I think when everything is considered Dream had just a bit more on the ol’ resume.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    I already had the most dominant center ‘Shaq vs. Wilt’ debate the other day with Jukai. So I’m not getting into that again. In my opinion Shaq was the most dominant ever, but you could make a good case for Wilt being most dominant ever as well. When it comes to greatest center ever I agree with the 1abcd (Hakeem, Shaq, Wilt, Kareem) theory as we are judging careers it is difficult to say who was the clear cut greatest. I would still say that Hakeem at the height of his powers was the best ’5′ I ever saw, the reason (besides the ridiculous skill-set); Hakeem was a better shot blocker and defender (check out his steals numbers, outragous for a big man) than the other 3, since holding down the fort on D is such an essential part of being a dominant center, I would have to say he was the best I ever saw. Shaw the most dominant, but concerning the greatest when judging based on career I would say 1abcd and just leave it at that. Today the center position is almost dead, with Dwight Howard being far closer to a Ben Wallace 2.0 edition than to Shaq. Dwight is a beast on D because of size, strenght, and athleticsm, but much like Ben he is an infant on O (yes, a little better than Ben, but mostly because of his size and role in the offense). Although Dwight looked slightly improved this off season, I still find it incredible that he hasn’t improved more in som many years in the league. If he had been playing in the ninties he would just barely crack the top ten centers in the League. Like I said the true center is almost extinct today. Sadly.

  • Dillantradamus

    Wilt was completely obsessed with stats. He cared and lived for nothing but adding more digits to that score card of his. Even when Philly would lose, he would feel fine knowing he still put up 50 on a mostly white league at that time. Wilt was crushed in pressure though, and that’s where he would be eaten a live by Russell who did nothing more then completely excels in that crunch play time. Wilt considered by many to be one of the greatest (I’m a KU Alumi, of-course i love Wilt!), but i like to believe Russell’s 11 rings say different.

  • http://sdfjklf.com Jukai

    Just for clarification, Russell is also in that conversation, but he’s a little bit of a different beast. If I had a team full of scrubs, I’d pick O’Neal/Chamberlain/Jabbar/Hakeem.
    If I had a team full of greats who needed a centerpiece, I’d pick Russell. Dude’s leadership, team-oriented offense, and defensive skillset was perfect. Plus he’d be a power forward in today’s game anyway.

  • The Philosopher

    As his physical skills deteriorated, he became a more humble and cerebral player, coinciding with him teaming up with other all timers at the same time.
    He was able to accept that he had limits, and ultimately, protected his legacy in the process.
    In my opinion.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    *sorry for the typos. And btw agree with you guys that this is a nice discussion with no mudslinging. Let’s keep it going.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Agree Jukai, Russell should be 1e based on career achievements. But his overall game and size kind of tells us different. Like you mention he would be a ’4′ today.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Agree Jukai. Based on career achievements Russell should be in the discussion as a 1e. But his overall game and size (like you say would probably be a 4 today) just kind of tells a different story.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    *sorry for double post, didn’t show up the 1st time.

  • total scrotal implosion

    GET SOME ROBERT PARRISH!!!!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    And to those saying Shaq should quit. Although he do looks far removed from the video above. Don’t forget that a season ago when playing for Phoenix he averaged 18 and 8 in 30 mins. If he gets in shape and stays healthy (a big if), maybe he could do something similar again. And that would still make him top 5 center in the NBA (anno 2010). Respect his achievements and cherish him playing on. The NBA will be a lesser place without him (even with all t´his egomanical antics), and one thing is for certain. There will never be another Shaq. The combination of size, skill, intensity, and personality will never be seen again. Dwight is trying as hard as he can, but he doesn’t measure up at all.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy-0RWbbzd8

    My contribution for the weekend.

  • chingy

    Wow guys, haven’t seen such good commenting in a long time. I think if you ask Bigs to name the one player that they have nightmares the night before facing him, Shaq’s name will come up more times than the Dream. Not saying Dream < Shaq or the other way around. But putting fear in other’s minds, no one comes close to Shaq.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Very true.

  • chingy

    I actually still think Shaq is a pretty decent center today. Can anyone name 10 centers they’d rather have today? Actual centers, not PFs playing out of position (like Bosh or Dirk sometimes do).

  • Washtub

    I think in 10 years Shaq will be remembered as the Big Shoulda-Coulda. The guy has accomplished so much during the course of his career, just imagine what could have been had he had just an ounce of MJ’s or Kobe’s work ethic…

  • Brian

    It is entirely possible that 2010 Dwight Howard may not be able to score at all against a mid-90′s Shaq.
    It is also possible that players like Alcindor and Walton could be 4′s if they played today.

  • B.C.

    Shaq is the most dominating center of all-time and this video just proves that I mean this was all his rookie year.

  • Overtime

    @ Eboy, in reference to ur ’96 all-star game dunks, I am always, always surprised that isnt talked about/shown in highlights more.
    All-star game or not, that was massive, and Robinson was playing proper D too

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I have a link in moderation to it…..Shaq at his devastating best.

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Waoh! How time flies by… Enjoy Life guys (and gals), Life is 2 $hort!!!

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    I liked “Wassup Doc (can we rock)” better. Enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIAVegnlNjc&feature=related

  • http://www.realgm.com Gman

    SHAQ!!

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Stashed somewhere I have an old Pontel vhs-tape with a Magic-Hornets game where Shaq has 46 points and 13 dunks, going against Zo, LJ, and a ancient Chief (my guess is that it is Shaq’s 2nd or 3rd season. It is absolutely utter domination even against Zo, one of the greatest defenders ever. At a point Shaq has a two-handed tip-dunks over the whole Hornets frontline, which is so hard that the ball almost comes out again because he pulls the rim so far down. The best thing however is that after Shaq beasting through the first part of the game, Hornets put Chief on him and Chief actually blocks a Shaq dunk attempt. But apart from that one block, that game is the most domination I have ever seen on a basketball court at the highest level. Good memories…

  • http://google c_cantrell

    dude was a beast.. i completely agree with everything jakai said

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    that “can’t stop the reign” video is totally epic. let’s see Wilt or any other great center make a music video like that. dude even has Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz in it!

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    Great discussion everyone…I was actually thinking about the whole Bill Russell thing, I just never posted about it. Jukai summed it up pretty well about him. You don’t want him as your main guy on a team of scrubs, but on a solid veteran team he was absolutely fantastic. Greatest winner ever.

    Man, talking about Shaq like he’s not in the league anymore makes me feel really old…

  • JoeMaMa

    I got halfway down and had to stop. There are some really dumb comments going on here. YOU CANNOT COMPARE PLAYERS FROM DIFFERENT ERAS. You can ONLY compare them to the other players of their time. ANYTHING ELSE IS SPECULATION. “Shaq would’ve….Wilt might’ve…Kareem definitely would’ve…” NO. Just look at the stats, the rings, and go off of that. Bill Russell. Best winner ever. Wilt. Most DOMINANT ever. He blew everyone out of the water like no one else in the history of all professional sports. Wilt. WILT.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    Shaq was the biggest BEAST in NBA history, most dominating athlete ever maybe

  • JoeMaMa

    And of course, respect to Shaq. And Kareem. And Benoit Benjamin.

  • nastierthanu

    Philosopher you have said some things in this post that I will be using when the Kobe mike discussion comes up again. Tic toc tic …

  • http://sdfjklf.com Jukai

    What’s a little bit upsetting is people only talk about dominating centers in two ways: Wilt’s dominance of the 60s and Shaq’s dominance of the 2000s. No one talks about Kareem, and how Kareem pretty much butchered competition in the 1970s… JUST as much as Wilt and Shaq!
    Take a look!
    Six MVPs. Insane stats. Look at his 1975 averages with awe: 28 points, 17 rebounds, 5 rebounds, a steal and a half and four(!!!) blocks! on 52% shooting! Honestly, just looking at that line could send chills down your spine.
    Kareem doesn’t get credit for how much he owned his peers.

  • Ben

    How can Shaq be the most dominant center and never lead the league in rebounding? Since Shaq is in the league, the leading rebounder were Rodman (6’8 at best) from 92 to 98
    Webber (6’10) in 99
    Mutombo (7’2) in 00 and 01
    Wallace (6’9) from 02 and 04
    Garnett (6’11) from 04 to 07 and
    Howard (6’11) from 08 to 10.
    So in Shaq era, the best rebounders were not bigger than the guys Wilt was playing against.

  • Overtime

    Jukai: You are right, Kareem does get forgotten because he wasn’t as physically dominating as Wilt and Shaq (And this is no knock, you couldn’t call the guy soft or anything), but his stats are other-wordly, theres a reason he has those 6 mvps and 17(?) straight all-star appearences.
    And a note on Bill Russell, probably the classiest guy in the league ever, just a great guy, great mentor, he was great choice for having the finals mvp named after him

  • total scrotal implosion

    Tim duncan. C or pf? Really both.

  • Ben

    Shaq also never led the league in blocks.
    He only led the league in scoring twice.

    The only dominant individual stats he has with fg% where he led the league 10 times.

    He was not killing the competition and that’s how you measure dominance.

  • Ben

    And I don’t know how you guys are able to post so much during office hours

  • http://sdfjklf.com Jukai

    Timmy has been a 4 for most of his career. It’s only recently he’s playing like a five. He plays high post, has great ball handling skills, and creates space with his midrange. That’s a power forward.

  • http://www.slamonline.com wayno

    Timmy has C size and PF skills. He can play both effectively, but is a better 4.

  • Toni Kukoc

    comparing Hakeem vs Shaq
    is like comparing
    Liv Tyler vs Scarlett Johansson

    (and i am more of a fan of Liv, go figure, but its only personal preference)

  • Pivotman256

    Everyone’s got kinks in their legacy. No disrespect but i think Magic and Mr. Walking Triple Double inflated Kareem’s stats just a bit. O_o. Hakeem was a beast, but he only won two rings cuz MJ wasnt in the league. Russ and Wilt were demonic, but everyone in the league was filled w short, finesse, white players. Mikan was the pioneer, so obviously there was no one to match him. MJ won without any dominant big men on his teams O_o.

  • nastierthanu4

    cosign Ben

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com zee!

    If he only would’ve stayed in shape and made his FT’s…..best ever? Statistically?

  • http://double-technical.blogspot.com zee!

    Shaq the baptizer

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ The Promise

    I’m gonna have to agree with what Jukai said earlier when he said Kareem would take Shaq to school. I think he would. Kareem’s hookshot combined with his footwork would have too much for the bigger, slower Shaq. Nobody thats ever played or ever will play could have stopped that skyhook man. Prettiest shot ever, not even close. Shaq is the most dominant, but Kareem is the best overall, Shaq 2nd, Wilt 3rd, Hakeem 4th, then probably Robinson 5th.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ The Promise

    @zee: Wilt was equally bad at the line.

  • http://sdfkjlf.com Jukai

    Wilt was AWFUL at the line. What was odd, Wilt could hit a regular jump shot more consistantly than he could hit a free throw. At one point, one of Wilt’s coaches reportledly tried to have Wilt shoot his freethrow like a turnaround jumper, cause he made his turnaround at a better clip than his free throw. I’m not entirely sure of the validity of that, but I’ll believe it: Wilt was a headcase at the freethrow line. Shaq simply never tried.
    The Promise, you wouldn’t put Russell or Malone at fifth?

  • http://sdfkjlf.com Jukai

    Wilt was AWFUL at the line. What was odd, Wilt could hit a regular jump shot more consistantly than he could hit a free throw. At one point, one of Wilt’s coaches reportledly tried to have Wilt shoot his freethrow like a turnaround jumper, cause he made his turnaround at a better clip than his free throw. I’m not entirely sure of the validity of that, but I’ll believe it: Wilt was a headcase at the freethrow line. Shaq simply never tried.
    The Promise, you wouldn’t put Russell or Malone at fifth?

  • The Philosopher

    Kareem would take any center in League History to school.

  • mattyp32

    i saw the title SHAQ DIESEL and thought it was this…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Jztd_HsPY

  • Stan

    If Shaq only kept his weight under 300lbs.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ The Promise

    @Jukai: I was gooing more off of talent, not really counting chips. Russell would have been physically overwhelmed by the 5′s and a lot of the 4′s today. Its close between Malone and Robinson, I’ll give Robinson a slight edge because all he accomplished during the period where there were a lot of great centers in the league. Hakeem owned him the year he won MVP, So I think you would have to rank Hakeem somewhere ahead of him, no question. But yeah Jukai, its really personal opinion on Malone/Robinson. I’ll go with the Admiral.

  • http://sdfkjlf.com Jukai

    The Promise: Even with scoring, I think Russell is in the conversation. Forget about scoring– Bill was one of the best bigmen passers in the game, and a ludicrous rebounder. Combine his defense that is superior to Malone’s and almost as good as the Admirals, and it’s a tough choice… don’t sleep on how good Russell was. The Celtics ran their offense through Russell after Cousy left. Russell led the breaks.

  • http://twitter.com/darrellma dma

    The league changed how many rules for Shaq? That’s telling you how dominant he is/was.

  • The Philosopher

    Cosign dma.
    only one other player in the annals of The League can boast that fact.
    Shaq is… historically dominant.

  • The Philosopher

    Bill Russell was ahead of his time.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ The Promise

    @Jukai: Oh definitely, he’s in the conversation, but when it comes down to it, I don’t think your gonna see many people put Russel in the top 5. Now if your talking championships, Russell puts the rest of those guys to shame. 11 championships? Sick. Celtics were the cream of the crop for a decade, and Russell was the reason. One of the most intimidating shot blockers ever.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Lets be honest, Shaq has underachieved in his career if you look at numbers and rings. Shaq supposely the most dominate player ever, has choked, not stayed in shape, has one MVP, ruined relationships with ever team–Wade/Lebron won’t add him to the Heat, but would add Big slow Z. Shaq if had the work ethic he used to steal Steve Nash show idea, he would have clearly been the greatest center ever. I would take David Robinson over Shaq, I put up numbers against each and stats and The Admirals were better. People will say Shaq dominated David. He did, but shouldn’t Shaq dominated every one. Shaq played well against David, just like some other players play better against other players. Shaq underachieved and he needs to just retire before he keeps ruining his career.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    A lot of people have commented on how the conversation in this post has been intelligent, open-minded, easy to engage in without the usual retardness.
    The only reason why that is, is because the subject involves ancient players such as Wilt. No one wants to be the assh*le who talks presumptuously about things they haven’t seen with their own eyes.
    But just wait till the subject returns to current topics, the Heat, Kobe, LA, etc. Don’t worry. your regularly scheduled broadcast will resume shortly.

  • The D Train

    @tealish: To be fair, many of us witnessed many of the guys we are talking about. Fact is, it is easier to have a rational discussion about a guy who is done, or next-door to done like Shaq. You’ve got a full body of work to refer to. With guys like Kobe, Lebron, etc. it’s still very much up in the air. And while you could say that Wilt, Kareem and Russell are “ancient,” you couldn’t say the same about Shaq, Hakeem and Admiral (at least in my eyes). If you’d notice, most of the Prime Time Players are more analytical and reasonable than the Not Quite Prime Time Players. At the end of the day, trying to convince someone to change their mind is just not going to happen. Heated and reasonable debate is fun, as long as you’re not dealing with someone whose only goal is to prove they are right, or that you are wrong.

  • total scrotal implosion

    d train is so fuking wrong, hes retarded, dumbest thing ive ever read………………… had to be done

  • total scrotal implosion

    Monroe recalled the scene.

    “We were in Milwaukee, the last stop before heading out to the West Coast and we are all excited to be going to hang out in L.A.,” he said. “We were getting hammered by the Bucks. We were losing by 52 points with a couple of minutes to go.

    “Here comes Gus down the floor and he shattered the backboard and it was like nothing I’d ever seen before. Of course, in those days, they didn’t have spares on hand. So it took them nearly two hours to find a replacement and we had to stand around to play the last couple of minutes to finish getting beat by 50.

    “Meanwhile Gus had left the game because he’d gotten cut. He wound up going straight to the airport and caught a flight to L.A. We had to spend the night in Milwaukee and when we finally got out there, he was just smiling.”

  • Ben

    @dma: Rules were changed specifically to decrease the effect of only 2 players, Mikan and Wilt.

  • M5

    Shaq has missed more free throws than most NBA players have attempted.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=ShaqFTs-081218

  • http://Www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    True, true, but hoop supports were altered to withstand only one player: The Little Warrior.

  • http://Www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    I’m sure it’s been said further above but one of the best Allstar Game’s was the one in the Alamodome. The teal uniforms (ghastly but lord MJ looked great in em) Mike being all chummy with other players (Mutombo, Rice, Zo) in front of the camera for the 1st time i can remember and SHAQ SLAMMING ONE ON THE ADMIRAL so wickedly, i ran around the living room of a friends house where we gathered to watch the ASG screaming like babies…at 3am in the morning. God, the 90′s NBA was the sh*t!

  • http://Www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Last one: seeing Shaquille in a Magic uni is kinda wrong to me if Penny isn’t there doing his thing too. I had a serious mancrush on Anfernee, still have my only 2 originial NBA Jerseys i ever bought, too tight and all: MJ’s and Penny’s.

  • black pinoy

    OMG can everyone stop comparing players from different eras! . such pu$$ys. wilt is far more dominant in his era than shaq is in his. but if they played each other in their prime shaq would have killed him. wilt had limited post moves but thats because he was from that era… if they grew up in the same era and would have learned the same brand of basketball THEN and only then would you be able to see whos really more dominant…(thats like back to the future $hit) so if nobody can build a time capsule (take an infant shaq in wilts era to learn basketball vice versa) ato prove that then please stop comparing them

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    if i would have to pick a center on my team, i’d pick dream/kareem, cause they can flourish and still be dominant not being the main guy. and if i have to build around a center, it would be 1.) kareem 2.) dream 3.) shaq…

  • http://www.slamonline.com J

    and i still enjoy seeing shaq in this league… we need to stop the criticism somehow and appreciate it while he’s still here. him, Hill, JKidd..

  • JTaylor21

    @Jukai, your right people forget or chose to forget how dominant Kareem was in the 70s, all they remember is him in the showtime lakers. He once put up 35ppg/17rpg/5apg his 3rd yr in the league. He is the best center of all-time and is a shame that his name gets left out of Top-5 of all time convos. In terms of centers its 1. Kareem 2. Hakeem 3. Shaq 4. Wilt 5. Moses/Russel

  • http://slamonline.com Dave.

    I’m a little late to this one, but:
    “Wilt, didn’t sustain that Hall of Fame level of play, in my opinion, going into his latter years of his career, because new breeds of dominant centers were emerging.”
    That’s totally uninformed. When Wilt was asked by his coach to shoot less and pass more, he did so. And averaged 24ppg and 8apg a game those two seasons. EIGHT ASSISTS PER GAME. AT CENTER.

  • http://slamonline.com Dave.

    Not to mention the dude nailed a triple double triple: 20 points, 20 assists and 20 rebounds in one game. I mean, WTF is that, I ask you?

  • http://thephotoriot.com davidR

    i remember hearing that shaq couldn’t shoot his free-throws cause he broke his shooting wrist climbing a tree and falling off as a kid. supposedly it never healed correctly, limiting his range of motion. that’s why he pushes all his free-throws cause he can’t flip his wrist. can anyone validate that?

  • The Philosopher

    Not only were there new breeds of centers…
    By the time Wilt got to L.A., he was a shell of his former self.
    Coach knew it, and Wilt knew it.

  • http://www.nba.com/bulls/ The Babe

    That picture at the start of Vid 2 has to be D Fish

  • http://sdfkjlf.com Jukai

    hahaha, The Philosopher, I know you’re trying to prove yer point, but think about what you just said:
    “By the time Wilt got to L.A., he was a shell of his former self.”
    Wilt averaged 20.5 points, 21.1 rebounds, and 4.5 assists on 58% shooting (along, probably, with 3-5 blocks) and he was A SHELL OF HIS FORMER SELF?!?
    Wow. How ungodly was Wilt in his prime?

  • http://sdfkjlf.com Jukai

    Wilt’s 20/20/20 game is ludicrous. I mean, that’s just mind blowing.

  • Jonathan Faulkner

    Just something to add. Scott Skiles owns the single game assist record with 33.

    Scott Skiles – 33 assists

    Let that sink in and you realise how dominant Shaq was. Forget the comparisons, forget the deterioration, remember the player.

  • The Philosopher

    30 assists is the record.

  • The Philosopher

    And Jukai, Wilt was VERY ungodly in his prime. Especially against the guys he played against while he was in his prime.

  • http://slamonline.com nikehead23

    you can’t really compare him to wilt , he was from a different era, wilt was being guarded by 6 7 skinny white guys

  • Elvis Freshly

    Who is this guy Dwight howard you speak of?

  • JoeMaMa

    The game evolves. There’s no MJ without Dr J. There’s no Shaq without Wilt. There’s no Jason Williams with Bob Cousy. There’s no Carmelo without Bernard King. And so on. For that reason, comparing different eras is POINTLESS. Compare the players against the other players of their era. Same coaching, understanding of the game, rules, travel scheduling, social factors, etc. And then ask: who’s the most dominant in their time? Wilt. Is there any other way around this?

  • Jonathan Faulkner

    Apologies, you are correct 30 assists is the record. Point still stands though.

  • The Philosopher

    If we compare the players of each era, then it should be quite clear that Shaq is the most dominant center in League History.
    We’ll take travel schedule. In Wilt’s day, there wasn’t 30 teams in The League.
    Considerably less.
    Rules?
    They brought in the zone for Shaq.
    Social factors kind of tie in with scheduling, for Shaq was doing all kinds of things outside of basketball.
    Wilt… well, there was the women.

  • The Philosopher

    @Jonathan Faulkner:
    Agreed.

  • JTaylor21

    @JoeMaMa, if you can’t compare eras then why do people stupidly claim that MJ is the GOAT when he never played against other greats from the past. Dude even said himself that he never played against kareem/wilt/oscar/etc, so there is no way of knowing whether or not he was better than those guys. All those so-called b-ball fans that falsely call MJ the GOAT are not true fans because they’re disrespecting all those greats who played before MJ, all those playing right now and in the future.

  • http://sdfkjlf.com Jukai

    The Philosopher:
    Shaq got every single call go his way. Kareem and Chamberlain would literally be punched and kicked when the ref wasn’t looking. C’mon, son, it goes both ways. It always does.
    Personally, I think Shaq’s dominance is a bit overrated because he got every single call under the sun, and pretty much had a team full of jump shooters that made double teaming him impossible: he never needed to develop range.
    Of course, Hakeem had the same type of team.

  • Leoni

    Damn, the clip is bad.

  • The Philosopher

    Jukai:
    Arguable.

  • The Philosopher

    Think about this:
    Wilt had better range than Shaq.
    Shaq had no range.
    To me, that fact furthermore illustrates Shaq’s dominance.
    He didn’t need range.
    He didn’t need too many cute moves.
    Just flat out, pure, unadulterated… dominance.

  • tavoris

    Shaq’s post-prime career should never overshadow the greatness of his prime. He was just as indefensible in the post as Jordan was on the wing. (not saying he was as good as Jordan)

  • http://Www.lkz.hi Darksaber

    Black Tornado….yeauuuuh!

  • hangtime Hec

    Both Wilt and Shaq dominated. It was just a matter of which kind of domination. While Shaq was a force that brought down backboards and forever will give the likes of Robert Parish and David Robinson countless sleepless nights. Wilt shattered the record books. I mean averaging over 20 points and 20 rebounds and 8 assists is a different dominance then leaping into the air and treating grown men like rag dolls. But nonetheless they completely annihilated whoever opposed them.

  • http://slamonline.com Dave.

    Wait, did someone just tell Jukai that Wilt was good in his prime? Have you not been paying attention?

  • http://sdfkjlf.com Jukai

    The Philosopher: I can dig that logic. Chamberlain had a turnaround, a finger roll, and a bit of a hook. Shaq just backed his guy down then worked in the very low post. I guess you could say that’s greater dominance.

  • benoit benjamin

    you can’t put robinson the in the top five. thats not even debatable. moses malone was a beast. he’s one of the few players who if surrounded by a few decent pieces guarantees you a title. its hard to believe how underrated kareem is on this board. of course hes better than shaq. Personally, I would rate shaq below kareem, russell, wilt, and hakeem. his finals run with the lakers was some of the most transcendental basketball ever played so he for sure gets the 5th slot over moses. david robinson SHOULD NOT BE IN THE SAME CONVERSATION WITH THESE GUYS.

  • http://slamonline.com Dave.

    This sounds like bullsheet, but if you watch Shaq against top notch defenders at his peak (the Laker years), he had excellent footwork. If you watch him against Ostertag, well… why use a laser to open a tin can?

  • http://slamonline.com Dave.

    A handy example, watch how he knocks Parish off position in the top vid @ 0:55 – he uses his strength to repeatedly bump him back, but uses pivot spins and a pump fake before slamming that down. That’s skill, not just brute force.

  • Mr. Robinson

    The Philosopher been rollin’ hard for the last few days kickin’ serious knowledge. Jukai too.
    great points everybody.
    Consensus:
    Shaq = most dominant center.
    I had Wilt too until I read these comments.

  • Mr. Robinson

    Where is Alana Beard with her fine self??!!
    Let me chill.lol!

  • http://SLAMONLINE.COM CALI BALLER

    yoo long time mag subscriber and that rookie mix was dope old skoo shaq thats why we loved shaq when he was with us [lakers] and SHAQ WAS THE BEST BALLER RAPPER EVER NO ONE RAPPED LIKE SHAQ THATS WHY U CANT STOP THE REIGN THE REMIX THE LATE GREAT BIGGIE JUMPED ON IT CHECK IT OUT !!!

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ The Promise

    @The Philosopher: Shaq did have a patented spin move, it was deadly. Don’t sleep, he had an unbelievably quick first step also. Sure, he didn’t have a ton of moves, but the few he had, he perfected them, he had great footwork also, not as good as Kareem’s, but really good.

  • The Philosopher

    @The Promise:
    No doubt.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    If you think Magic and Oscar Robertson inflated Kareem’s stats, then you’re stupid.
    Kareem was killing before he met either of them, hell he was the most dominant player in the country from the time he left high school.

  • Ali Saadat

    So who is gonna retire his jersey? His HoF status is clear, but his jersey is up for grabs. He took Orlando their first ever finals and maybe was their best player until maybe Dwight showed up (not in 2006 but around 2998 when he became dominant). With the Lakers he won 3 rings but the end of that era may have ruined his status as a Laker Legend. He won a chip with Miami but wasn’t there long enough to be considered a great Miami player. I’m going to skip Phoenix and Cleveland. I think with Boston he won’t be there long enough or be good enough to get anything (unless he wins a title). I’ll leave it up to the world to decide.

  • IknowImRight

    the greatest rapper of all time

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