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Friday, October 15th, 2010 at 12:00 pm  |  123 responses

Just Cuz: Biggie Freestyle. Age 17

If you’re a hip hop fiend, this video should be a repeat for you. I’ve probably watched it over 100 times and still can’t get over how nasty B.I.G’s freestyle flow was. He wrecks it in this clip and has the block on fire. He was 17 at the time. R.I.P B.I.G

-Schneezy

and 1 more classic.

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  • Marcustheman

    First!

  • Jer Dawg

    That’s ill. RIP BIG

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Damn…even at that age his cadence was incendiary. Dude was so good, it was disgusting. I love the fact that the cat he was battling couldn’t even look at him…not cause he was trying to disrespect BIG, but he knew he was being annihilated by a rap god-in-the-making and had no ammo for him.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James the Balla

    If you look at this clip, we have nothing like this nowadays. Two guys, with mic’s, battling in the street, with a live dj … lol.

  • http://Mrjones21901@aol.com Run’n'Gun219

    “so i just speak my piece, keep my piece, cubans with the jessus piece, with my peeps, packing, asking who want it? u got it nigga flaunt it, that brooklyn bullsh1t we on ot…” his flow and word play was incredible

  • http://Mrjones21901@aol.com Run’n'Gun219

    “so i just speak my piece, keep my piece, cubans with the jessus piece, with my peeps, packing, asking who want it? u got it nigga flaunt it, that brooklyn bullsh!t we on ot…” his flow and word play was incredible

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I’m not trying to turn this into a 90′s rap vs. today argument, but can y’all believe a co-worker of mine said Drake will be better than B.I.G.?!? Drake?!?!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    And I’m more and more amazed every time I listen to Ready to Die. Nas’ Illmatic is my favorite rap album of all time cause it was just on-point in every manner – beats, rhymes, everything. But if we’re talking strictly lyrics, Ready to Die is the GOAT.

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    Greatest M.C. of all time.
    And my personal favorite “One more chance (Remix) feat. Faith Evans and MJB. Enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4JbG3GvKc0

  • Robb

    Perfect street poetry. I mean, check those metric lines. 17 years old. Outstanding.

  • JTaylor21

    Now this is what a GREAT rapper sounds 2Pac WHO? M&M Please!!

  • http://Mrjones21901@aol.com Run’n'Gun219

    “so i just speak my piece, keep my piece, cubans with the jessus piece, with my peeps, packing, asking who want it? u got it ni99a flaunt it, that brooklyn bullsh!t we on ot…” his flow and word play was incredible

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    “I had the master plan
    I’m in the caravan on my way to Maryland
    With my man ‘Two Techs’ to take over this projects
    They call him ‘Two Techs’, he tote two techs
    And when he starts to bust
    He likes to ask who’s next?”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    JTaylor, I see your diss of Em and Pac, both unwarranted, but not surprising coming from you. Pac was an Icon. Made himself into one. He also had one of the greatest cadence’s of all-time in the rap game, and while lyrically he may not have been up to BIG’s standards, dude was fire with a mic, live or in the studio. As far as Shady goes, dude is a shell of himself today, but I’d defy you to name one rap CD that either a) influenced more potential rappers of the era or b)had an incredibly diverse type of musicality then the Marshall Mathers LP. Em’s style is STILL being copied by little nerdish dudes around the world, black OR white.

  • Reflex

    Biggy- GOAT

  • JTaylor21

    EBoy, it’s NOT a diss. All I’m saying is that compared to those guys lyrically BIG is head and shoulders above them. SHEESH people nowadays swear that if you don’t gas up a certain person, you’re dissing them.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Co-sign Eboy. Pac is still and always be my favorite rapper of all time. Not the best lyricist, but he could flow over any beat and had a way of tugging at your very soul with his rhymes. I mean, songs like “Pour Out a Little Liqour”, “Pain”, and “Life Goes On” could affect you on an emotional level, and then he’d hit you with hard tracks like “No More Pain”, “Hail Mary” or “Me Against the World”. And he would shine on every track he guested on. He just had this knack for always coming off as being the best rapper on a track, even when paired with legends. Check “Runnin’” with Biggie and Dramacydl, “Initiated” with Daz, Kurupt and the Outlawz or “N*ggaz Done Changed” with Ritchie Rich.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Bro, you do that sh*t to 99% of the topic subjects around here…it’s hard to tell if you’re not going in on somebody.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Enigmatic….I could listen to “Troublesome ’96″ all day long, Pac at his balls and bravado best.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    Is it safe to say that todays rap just, sucks?

  • JTaylor21

    BTerry, I wouldn’t say it sucks the problem is just that east coast rap is non-existent (excluding Nicki because shorty spits with the best of them), the West Coast has no one doing their thing and people just hate on the south when in reality the south has kept the game alive and actually has the BEST rappers. Guys like TIP, BunB, Jeezy, Outkast, Wayne, Ross have put out nothing but classic mixtapes and albums. Hip Hop ain’t dead it just lives in the South.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    Point taken Jtaylor… Actually I’ve heard some of the tracks off of Redman’s new album which will be released in early Dec. Redman is probably my all time favorite, and this new album sounds kinda like his old, which is a good thing. IMO his last album stunk along with the Blackout II album..

  • Bmack

    All I listen to is biggie, nas, mos def, j cole, tupac, em, and rakim. Totally agree with schneezy that if you’re a true hip hop head, you’ve seen the top video a hundred times, still never gets old tho.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    heres a list of my top 10 favs.
    1-Redman
    2-Wu tang- A. Method man B.Ghostface C.Rae D.ODB
    3-Biggie
    4.Xzibit
    5.Outkast
    6.The Roots
    7.Eminem
    8.Tha Liks/Tash
    9.Jay-Z
    10.E-40
    Im not gonna argue that these are the best of all time, just taking up the most space on my Ipod. (note- I loved Tupac and the Beastie Boys, but played out his/their songs so badly, I don’t really listen to them anymore) IMO 50 cent and everyone after him killed hip- hop..

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @Eboy – that’s a DOPE track, but as far as him being at his “balls and bravado best” I’d have to go with “F*ckin’ With the Wrong N*gga” -

    “Buck buck was the sound as the gats burst
    No need for ambulance, baby bring the black hearse”

    ICE COLD

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’d argue this, but it’s all good: “Menacing methods
    Label me a lethal weapon
    Making ni*gas die
    Witnessing breathless imperfections”

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    I read an interview from a rapper (don’t remember who exactly, might’ve been Cormega) back in the days and he talked about the differences between Pac and Biggie and I think he put it extremely well. He said something along the lines of “They would both kill the track, but they were different in the way they did it. Biggie would walk in smoothly like a hitman, shoot you with a silencer, and walk out like nothing happend. Pac would run up in there with a shotgun, shoot you up and not give a damn who heard it.”

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    As far as the newer joints go, Eboy, I lOVE “Still I Rise” (the original version, not the wack one that ended up on the Outlawz album). Which brings up something that has really irked me. Johnny J was a favorite producer of 2Pac’s and he crafted some of the dopest beats Pac ever spit to. When Pac pass and they decided to realese all his posthumous albums, almost all his songs were remixed and Johnny J’s dope beats were nowhere to be heard. What the hell?!

  • kobesBESTfriend

    I don’t get why BIG is reguarded so highly.he is just as overated as Lebron is.He only had 2 albums.dont get me wrong they were 2 of the best albums of alltime but comes no where near the amount of sheer content of work 2pac had.Diddy is responsible 4 alot of what biggie did.2pac basically ripped BIG apart.If it wasn’t for Pac being murdered i don’t think BIG would of been crowned the King.He had skills but was mostly all hype like Lebron when Pac really could rip any MC and had the hardware 2 prove but isnt reguarded as the best like Kobe.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Whoever that rapper was that made the comparison between was pretty much on point.

  • floe

    here’s one for the ages. checkit.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_dDrx9zr5U

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Oh….and my wife’s people that live in Ecuador swear on stacks of bibles that dude IS down in Brazil, under heavy protection and in a complete disguise and people there barely speak of it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The 3:14p comment should be immortalized as the Stupidest Thing Ever Said on SLAMOnline.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    Cosign Eboy 3:28…. I was gonna comment on that but didnt wanna spark the debate of BIG,Bron..

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @KobesPENISreceptacle –

    1) He only had two albums because he was murdered at the age of 24. What was he supposed to do, record tracks from the grave? The “Life After Death” was not literal.

    2)Diddy signed Biggie, maybe hooked him up with some dope producers. That’s all he did for Biggie. That and be his hype-man on EVERY SINGLE SONG of his

    3) Pac ripped Biggie apart because Biggie refused to respond

    4) BIG was known as the King of NY long before his demise

    5) F*ck it, head back to class already. Recess is almost over…

  • kobesBESTfriend

    BIG is overated!Pac was 100xs better than him!why do u think he didnt retaliate when pac did hit em up?cuz he knew he’d lose if he battled him thats why!diddy made BIG who he was!and don’t let that bs movie that his mom put out fool u…he wasnt a good person he was just a fat good 4 nothing thug…he’s basically rick ross with a legit background

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’m not sure what movie you watched, but nowhere in there did they try to portray BIG as some nice dude.

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    Pac’s- “Hit em up> Biggies- Who shot ya..
    But as far as overall talent and timeless masterpieces, Im goin’ with BIG.. (which is a pretty big compliment because during their “rap wars” I was behind Pac 100% being a westcoaster myself.)

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Biggie was, in your eyes, a “fat, good for nothing thug” but yet you’re defending a dude that had “THUG LIFE” tattooed on his stomach? Biggie didn’t retaliate because he maintained that he had nothing to do with Pac’s Times Square shooting. How stupid would he had looked if he went back at Pac afterwards? I knew all about Biggie WAY before that movie, come on now. Everyone knows he was a drug dealer, treated his women like sh*t, and all that. This ain’t about who’s the “nicer guy” of the two. They were both amazing rappers whose LIVES, let alone careers were cut too damn short. Your disrespect of Biggie is disgusting but probably not surprising considering how ignorant you come off. Where you even listening to rap in the 90′s???

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @BossTerry – “Who Shot Ya” was not a shot at 2Pac. If anything, the only time Biggie ever even addressed Pac on wax was on Jay-Z’s “Brooklyn’s Finest”.

  • Yesse

    This is what real hip hop was about. I think the only rapper better than Biggie is ‘Pac. Some people might disagree with me, but they won’t disagree with the fact that this was the real hip hop.

  • Hurricane

    R.I.P. 2PAC THE G.O.A.T.
    -
    TOP 10 EVER:
    1.2PAC
    2.NAS
    3.LUPE FIASCO
    4.IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE
    5.BIG L
    6.EMINEM
    7.THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G.
    8.RAKIM
    9.RAS KASS
    10.CROOKED I
    8.R

  • kobesBESTfriend

    wtf?thats all that movie tried 2 portray”we can’t change the world til we change ourselves”what a bunch of garbage!they tried 2 show Big as some guy just tryn 2 make it in the rap game 2 make good changes in his life when it was so far from the truth meanwhile they make lil kim out to be talentless trick and Pac as some crazed idiot like he didnt know who shot him.It was an hour and a half of lies and bs!

  • vtrobot

    big had an amazing voice, flow, lyrics, etc. it doesn’t matter how many albums he made. he’d be the legend he is today if he’d only made one. some of those pac verses are some of the best ever too. f*ck all the bickering on this site. @ Boss: i wouldn’t go that far, but it’s weird with how much pop is in hip pop now. raekwon & justin beiber? can hip hop get any more pop than that? still, that’s a great song (mostly because of that wu beat/sample). things definitely changed during that ja rule/ huge pop chorus era. imagine big or pac with autotuned vocals and kelly clarkson singing the chorus.

  • Hurricane

    HERE’S SOME ARTISTS YOU GUYS SHOULD CHECK OUT, BELIEVE ME!!: ROC MARCIANO, FASHAWN, FREDDIE GIBBS, BIG K.R.I.T., NIPSEY HUSSLE, SKYZOO, J. COLE
    -
    REAL HIP-HOP

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    @Enigmatic 1:45 I totally agree, even though Biggie was my favorite. My fav. 2Pac feat. “Thug luv” with Bone Thugs N Harmony in their album “The Art of war”

  • http://www.boogiewilliams.com Boing Dynasty

    As a teenager, 2Pac attended a school for preforming arts were he took part in plays and theater productions, and spoke rather effeminately. So, theres that…

  • kobesBESTfriend

    the reason y Big never retaliated was cuz he new everything Pac said was right!Big knew Pac was gonna get shot that night in the elevator and who set him up,he knew he banged faith,he remembered pac begging chicks 2 sleep with him,and he knew bad boy couldn’t beat deathrow in a battle!thats y he never came back at pac…he had no ammo…and tell me if he was really the king of NY would this be the case???HELL NO!!!

  • Hurricane

    JTAYLOR WOULD PUT RICK ROSS, T.I., LIL WAYNE, & YOUNG JEEZY IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS “CLASSIC”, WHAT A RETARD!!! BUT OUTKAST & BUN B ARE DOPE

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    “imagine big or pac with autotuned vocals and kelly clarkson singing the chorus” I shuttered when I read that. I actually like Kelly Clarkson, she’s got mega talent (and an ass she NEEDS to flaunt more) but this rap/pop crossover needs to stop.

    @Hurricane – of those you mentioned, I’ve heard Fashawn, J. Cole and Skyzoo, they’re all dope. Theory Hazit is the underground cat I been listening to a lot lately.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @ The Fresh Prince – the thing that always stuck out to me about that “Thug Luv” song was that, while Biggie switched up his style for “Notorious Thugs” to match Bones’, Pac said “f*ck that, I ain’t switching sh*t up”..though BIG’s flow was RAW on “Notorious Thugs”.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Speaking of Bone, do y’all know they were the only ones who did songs with Biggie, 2Pac, Eazy-E AND Big Pun?

  • fruizm

    but hey….we should be happy we…have gucci and wacka flocka nowadays!!!

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Run n gun, you do realize that rhyming piece with piece with piece, and it with it, is the exact opposite of incredible wordplay, right?. Thats the most elementary type of rap. Bigs delivery is what made it work. Big was really good, style was unique, but his greatness has been exagerrated and because of his death, canonized. Same with pac, his message, tone, and delivery far outweighed his rap skills. Pac was a great rapper, very influential in his time. I must add, pac was a fake, wannabe gangster. He went to art academy, and his first min in music was happy goofy ish with digital underground. He got popular after his first album, and startd fakin it. Then he startd jumping ppl, and spittin on ppl, actn like hes a gangster. Talkn all kinda ish he never did. Funny how some ppl lie about who they are, build a fake rep, and try to live up to it for whatever reason.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Yea boing, I kinda mentioned that, pac was fake

  • The Fresh Prince of Nsam

    @ Hurricane 4:15 are they as good as WITNESS? (just kidding, those who can will understand).

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  • kobesBESTfriend

    how was pac fake?you didnt even know him!ud go crazy and spit on and jump people too if u were set up and shot by people u thought were ur friends and sent to prison for a crime u didnt commit…if u ask me pac was realer than real!

  • http://brimartin13@gmail.com Brion

    Rick Ashley’s “never gonna give you up” is pure fire.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Nah, beansbuddy, pac was a fake gangster before then. Those things actually kinda gave credence to pacs gangster image. like boing and myself pointed out, pac went to an arts academy and was doing plays and musicals. Started out with digital underground, then went solo. And all of a sudden, hes a gangster? Hell no. Like fake rick ross, fn prison co, hes not gangster either.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    No one can touch k-rino, peep his new album: annihilation of the evil machine. He will demolish any rapper out there. LIBRARY IT!

  • JTaylor21

    Cooper is right. Tupac was the epitome of a fabricated “gangsta” image. Dude said it himself that most of the BS that he pulled and the beef he started with BIG was for entertainment purpose only. He was actually an intellect, and a very very smart dude who just got caught up in SKnight’s gang-banging world. That is what that actually did him in at the end, he stomped out the wrong crip in vegas and got his a** lit up. Hanging out with the wrong crowd is what got him killed not that illuminati bullsh*t.

  • kobesBESTfriend

    well yes of course he went to an arts academy u fool…he was a musician and an actor wasn’t he?r u gonna dock him the “gangsta” tag just cuz he’s cultured?what makes some1 gangsta anyways…he was way more gangsta than BIG i tell u that…a selfmade millionaire a fake gangsta huh???jeez

  • JTaylor21

    @Hurricane, name one bad album TI has put out? Okay I’ll wait…. How about Jeezy, bet you can’t name a bad album he put out, same with Ross. All them dudes especially T.I. have put out classic album after classical album, from I’m Serious to Trap Muzik to Urban Legend to Paper Trail nothing but classic material. Yeezy; TM101 to Inspiration to Recession, Ross; POM, Trilla, DTR, and Teflon Don. Do some research on those albums and at least listen to them first before you start talking out the side of your neck.

  • kobesBESTfriend

    and i guess u guys all believe lil wayne when he told katie couric that he was a gangsta too huh???i guarantee pac never kissed suge like he did baby!

  • JTaylor21

    @Hurricane your the same “smart” guy that put M&M, Lupe Fiasco, and Immortal Kombat over BIG WHAT THE F*CK? You should play musical chairs on the freeway, it would save you and everybody the time.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @JTaylor – sorry dude, but Jeezy’s trash. T.I.’s aight, Rick Ross is trash. But my tastes lean more towards the East Coast and Chicago styles. Only peeps from the south I ever really felt were Geto Boys, Outkast, UGK and… a few others I can’t think of right now. Oh, Young Bleed’s first album was hella dope.

  • JTaylor21

    @Enigmatic, that’s cool everyone has their preferences. I couldn’t say they’re trash because that’s too harsh a word, it’s only reserved for guys like Soulja Boy and Post GRODT 50. Guys like T.I. and Jeezy are already legends down south but probably don’t get the same love/respect up top. It’s the same for us with regards to west and east coast cats, most of them excluding the game and a few others get no love down here.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    You’re right, “trash” is probably too harsh a word. I actually have liked one or two Ross joints, and some guest appearances by Jeezy I’ve heard were…aaaight I guess. Soulja Boy is trash. No doubt. Is that kid still releasing albums? Damn. Thought his 15 minutes were over by now. So do Chi-town rappers get love down south? Do or Die used to be with Rap-A-Lot back in the days w/ Scarface and them, I know Snypaz were with Rap-A-Lot too. And PsychoDrama signed with 8Ball and MJG’s label, SuaveHouse but never dropped an album. Before Common, Twista and Kanye blew up, cats from the Chi had to go down south to get signed…pause.

  • Hurricane

    @ JTaylor- I guess mine & your interpretation of “Classic” are completely different. Here’s some “Classics” I can name off the top of my head:
    -
    1.Nas- Illmatic
    2.Raekwon- Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
    3.Dr. Dre- The Chronic
    4.Snoop Dogg- Doggystyle
    5.Lupe Fiasco- Food & Liquor
    6.Nas- It Was Written
    7.Eminem- The Marshall Mathers LP
    8.2Pac- All Eyez On Me
    9.The Notorious B.I.G.- Ready To Die
    10.Tha Dogg Pound- Dogg Food

  • http://brimartin13@gmail.com Brion

    ^^^^ A top 10 without the Blueprint? Hmmmm…

  • Hurricane

    @ Enigmatic- You should check out these songs by Freddie Gibbs, you should like him, he’s from Gary, Indiana w/ Chicago connects: Murda On My Mind, The Ghetto, National Anthem(F__K The World), The Coldest ft. Bun B, On One, What It Be Like & Born To Roll

  • Hurricane

    @ Brion- That’s not my top 10, just “Classics I can name off the top of my head, they are in no particular order, Jay-Z has 2 “Classics”: Reasonable Doubt & Blueprint

  • http://brimartin13@gmail.com Brion

    My bad

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @ Brion – Blueprint < Reasonable Doubt!!

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    @Hurricane – I’m always willing to listen to new artists, though I’m often left dissapointed, but I’ll give dude a shot.

  • Fat Lever

    The GOAT MC debate begins and ends with Rakim. I think BIG even admitted he took elements of The God MC and made it his own. I knew some youngins would get on here proclaiming Pac or Big the greatest, but learn up on your hip hop history. Rakim, G Rap, Chuck D, KRS, and Kane are the real blueprints. Shout out to the real old school cats like Grandmaster Caz…

  • RobbieJay

    Lil Wayne & Drake should watch this

  • http://www.slamonline.com Pardeep

    B.I.G= G.O.A.T………….@Hurricane: Get Rich Or Die Trying’ should be in that.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    Rakim, Kane, G Rap and them cats were the blueprint, no doubt. But Nas and Biggie took lyricism to a whole ‘other level.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Rakim is very nice, no doubt. Ti n jeezy are ok, I wouldnt say classic. Dont let jtaylor speakfor all southern rap fans. Hes young, what he says is all hes known. ……. ….. … … .. ….K-RINO IS A FUKKN BEAST! Hes the best now and ever. Im not just sayin it cuz im a fan, ive listened to so much rap from all eras, and this dude is above and beyond. His album from 93 would destroy anyones ish now. His newest, annihilation of the evil machine, is one for the ages. Just listen to the title track, then try to knock it. His combination of intellectual content, lyricism, style, voice, and delivery is unmatched.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    And enigmatic, id like to give a big shout out to J Prince and rap a lot records, he did/does so much to elevate so many artists.

  • vtrobot

    i’d agree with the people sayin’ that rakim is top 2 or 3 of all time. complaints about jay’s “blueprint” not being in the top 10 of classics? go back further, BDP’s “blueprint” should be on the list of all-time classics. bo, bo, bo!

  • logues

    super nintendo, sega genesis

  • Bahaha

    In the end of the day freemasons killed PAC n Bigg

  • The Philosopher

    Papoose had a flow for a little while.
    Stat Quo had some nice flows on mixtapes, NBA Live, and what not.
    The only reason I have Nas as The G.O.A.T. is because of his “message” in which he is able to reach the Masses.
    Now, there are probably better rappers, but they really don’t reach the audience.
    “Poison”, in my opinion is the best rap single of All Time. It is prophetic, and… crazy.
    But, Biggie, that man…
    If there are two G.O.A.T.s, it is Nas and Big.

  • The Philosopher

    And, I really hope someone keeps Bahaha’s comment going.

  • Elvis Freshly

    In my opinion.. as far as lyricist go, Nas is #1 on my list.. then Big Pun.

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    BIG was by far the best hip hop minstrel of all times. His story telling and delivery are unmatched. Too bad we never saw his full potential. Puff butchered his career and if it wasn’t for Premo’s beats we wouldn’t even be talking about BIG in terms of underground lyricist. I’ll take the GZA over most of the cats that you guys mention based on his creative skillz. Listen to all his lyrics before you start barking at me. The pound for pound street champion alive to me is Sean Price no doubt. Never cared for Pac never will…

  • http://www.rich-imaging.com Dutch Rich

    In truth, I saw Eric B and Rakim live before most of you were born, blew me away. However most of their albums to me were very disappointing after Paid in Full. BDP is the truth. Most of what I play nowadays is Little Brother and 9th Wonder. I’m suprised nobody mentioned them, but you cats probably get your B-Boy knowledge off the radio anyway.
    Anybody who claims Method man in an all-time list probably only listens to R&B and has never heard him drop more than one verse in a song. As a recording artist he’s below average. You name any album he’s made that has more than one classic joint on it, you can’t. Best Album ever made is The Infamous by Mobb Deep. Any real head will tell you this without hesitation. There might not ever be a better album than that. There has never been a Premier joint that I didn’t like. There……

  • andy

    i love this ish…but i got sick of it because of puffy’s annoying midget a** voice in the back ground…argh!

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    phil, bahaha is wrong. besides, freemasons are just a small part of it all. and dutch, infamous is best album ever?! its great, but best ever? possibly. annihilation of the evil machine

  • hammer

    @ huricane. Bone thugs n harmony “East 1999 Eternal” album is an all time underrated classic

  • http://jayemmbee.blogspot.com Clutch Performer

    I just saw that comment about Drake gonna be bigger and better than biggie,and thats a load of BS and im canadian, Drake is good but he couldnt step to biggie flow is ill and he could switch up , from whether story telling to freestyling to that rawness on notorious thugs

  • Brar

    Hip hop or rap is not dead or sucking today, whoever said that. Its just gone in a different direction but there are still GREAT hip hop artists. Just to name a few… Crooked I, Royce Da 5 9 (Slaughterhouse is the best group out there right now), J Cole, Drake(not great but good, still), Jay Electronica, Ye still has it (Good Fridays are awesome), Lupe Fiasco, Black Milk. And even some dumbed down rappers arent that bad to listen to like Wiz Khalifa, Kid Cudi, Curren$y. 80s and 90s hip hop was obviously on another level but I still love some of the music out there right now for sure. Far from dead.

  • hammer

    @dutch rich. “The Infamous” is nice,but “Hell on Earth” is better n my opnion

  • hammer

    Hip hop is dead. When u got artists like lady gaga and artists like b.e.p.(who’s beats sound more closer 2 techno than hip hop)playin on radio stations,u can’t come 2 another conclusion than hip hop is dead. And artists like soulja boy,flo rida,bow wow,gucci mane and pit bull killed it

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    Aries Spears is the best rapper alive.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Negative kreep

    Best Wordsmith: MF DOOM. Knowledge: KRS1 Story teller: Slick Rick. Most influencial: Melle Mel/ Rakim. Best Flow: Biggie #1 BigL#2 Jay-Z#3. Most original: Q-Tip. Lyrical content: Guru Most passion: Tupac. Best all around Emcee: Nas.

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Negative kreep

    In Terms of Flow: OG chronic/ Doggystyle Snoop has gotta Be waay up there below BIGGIE & them. To Bad He Fell off. Also Andre 3000 Comes to mind As well As Scarface & Krazy Bone.

  • http://www.bulls.com Enigmatic

    YO Mobb Deep is my favorite group of all time dunny!!!

  • bulletsforever

    freddie gibbs > than your favorite rapper

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Negative kreep

    @Tarzan: Pac was Fake because He was actually an educated artist? So your arguement is that He couldnt have been for real because He went to School? Really? Did u Know Biggie was raised in a Strict Christian household… Were He didnt celebrate birthdays?…”birfdays was The worst days”. Guess He musta been “Fake” too. MF Grimm probobly put more work in The streets than any emcee, and He grew up in upscale Manhattan and was nieghbors with Morgan freeman, and was on sesame St. As a Kid! I’ll admit, Pac was caught up, and He was aubviously in The midst of Bad Company @ deathrow, but to Call him à Fake is rediculouse. Especially in this bubble gum miami era of Rap fakes we live in. Pac was The Son of a Black Panther, & much like The movement himself, He was a contradiction of himself at Times and a Bit of a paradox. But that doesnt make him Fake, that Makes him complicated. everyone Goes thru Fazes in Life, they Change, they Progress, sometimes Regress, especially Artists. As far As being a” Fake Gangster”or “thug”, what is a real thug? An a$$hole that Never grows up and evolves? A permanent poision to The Local Community? While its true that Pac was surely niether of Those Things, He was definately a rebel, outspoken and unafraid to go at anyone, Be it Politicians, The Police, peers ect, ect. Thats more than u can say for guys like Snoop who always Claims “Gangster” crip but Is afraid to say or do The Things Pac DID. was Afraid of Suge like a lil 8itch, was afraid of going to jail, too scared to get behind His own lablemate in a beef with Puffy…

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Kreep, no. pac was a corny kid, theater, musicals, etc. And thats fine. But you cant all of a sudden, be a gangster in a year. Once he got a posse pac started actin tough and doin dumb ish in an effort to live up to his fake rep. Its obvious.

  • Coney Islander

    GOAT

  • The Philosopher

    Tarzan:
    I’m hoping you keep the conspiracy on Pac & B.I.G. going.

  • http://www.dimemag.com Royal

    cosign negative….

  • The Philosopher

    Tupac made a fatal error by speaking against the “powers that be.”
    @Eboy:
    Do you believe the story about Pac & Brazil?
    I’ve heard that same story about two years ago.

  • Blackphantom

    Thank God, i thought we never really talked Hip-hop on this site.

  • Blackphantom

    Anyone who says BIG is overrated is does not know Hip-Hop

  • Blackphantom

    Tarzan, you calling Pac a poser?

  • slamfan4life

    psh guys itsall about weezy….best rapper ever!

    lol RIP Pac&Biggie, truly the best

  • JalepinoSausage

    !!!!!!!!!! LIKE UR LISTS BUT KRS IS STILL NUMBER ONE !!!!!!!!!! forgot about the teacher you effin f@GZz ! & how about GURU, KOOL KEITH , BIG PUN , Show & A.G. , Lord Finesse ,O’l Dirty , Kool G Rap, BIG L, Gift of Gab , Mos Def , R.A. The Rugged Man , Phil DaAgony , Planet Asia , Del Da Funky Homosapien , JERU THE DAMAJAAAA ! Just to name a few :-) ! Dont just stick to the i$h you’re fed. !! One !!

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Negative kreep

    Nah Tarzan, both u & Boing brought up Pac’s past As an Arts Student to demonstrate why He was “Fake” . Boing used The word effeminate, Not a very suttle Shot at His sexuality, what are you Guys getting at? Yes He got His Shot As an emcee with Digital Underground As a Backup dancer, then they let him Jump in on a Few Joints. Point is, it was an Opportunity. He took it, it opened doors for him, & when He got The Chance to Drop His own ish He spoke His own mind. Not that of Art School teachers or The Digital Crew. As far As The whole fake gangsta/thug Thing goes… Go Pick up a strap, Roll with a Crew presto! Ur a thug. He use to refer to himself As “a lil skinny ni&&a weighing 165″ and spoke about The Physical Abuse He Received while locked up. He also Wrote a Song for His momma, Unconditional love, regret,The After Life, Wrote about The plight of Single Black mothers, Race conditons, The allure and trappings of thug Life, (Shorty wanna b a thug) as well As how and Why those in The minority Need to make Social Changes. Again,what exactly is a real Gangster? PLEASE ANSWER ME THIS. Most of The thugs iv’e Ever been around Were cowards,Cared Little for others, sacrificed The Safety of thier own families, and always fronted or were afraid to Be thier own man. ( hence Rolling with a Gang)

  • vtrobot

    @ kreep: i like how you have DOOM in with all of those legends. he has an original style and great voice/delivery. @ everyone: hip hop is so widespread now that it’s hard to make favorite lists. i don’t know if i could even make a top 10 of favorite MCs. there would be way too many deserving people left of the list. there are amazing verses from great MCs (i.e. RA the rugged man) who are nowhere near my top 10, 20, etc. thankfully, hip hop will never die. not MC-related, but shout to the bomb squad, one of the great things to ever happen to hip hop. that NOISE!!

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Negative kreep

    Vtrobot: Yeah, DOOM is that ill. And its soo true about how much there is out there to consume. Hip Hop is Not Dead, its The Music Industry that’s been watered down. Decreased Album Sales,have made Singles a Premium, out goes The quality. If anything its The Radio stations & DJs who have $old out hip Hop, only playing all that Miami Produced watered down “Club” sh1t, that The exec’s Be pushing. But yeah, The REAL is still out there…

  • http://Www.slamonline.com Negative kreep

    Fat lever: I Know Betcats amongst others, would Co sign you on Rakim. His Impact cannot Be Disputed, If Melle Mel is The father of concious lyrics, Ra is basically The father of everything Else. Flow, swagger, hustle, intellect ryming ability, ect. All The Basic Elements of a modern Emcee. But, i would argue that just like Dr J Laid The foundation for MJ, Ra is The foundation for guys like Guru, BIG, J & Nas. So while i agree The convo begins with em’… imo It ends with a Guy like Nas that built on what He did and Went further As an emcee.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Boing Dynasty: Right, because attending an arts school means he isn’t a good rapper. All rappers should be ig’nant and if they don’t h@te females, they aren’t real. Gotta keep it real! YEAH!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Hurricane: You mention OBFCL and Food and Liquor in the same sentence? WHAT?!?!?!?!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Jalepino Sausage is an idiot, but named some great rappers. He’s still a freaking idiot though.

  • thegfunk

    Light a candle
    He was too hot to handle

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Teddy, go listen to will smith and kid n play, you nickelodeon educated schmuck.

  • thobela

    thank you very much 4 the lil hip hop history guys, i love hip hop very much bt hip hop today sounds like its songs about money, cars and b*chs…i love the 90s hip hop better than todays hip hop, and i was only young back then.

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