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Wednesday, October 13th, 2010 at 3:15 pm  |  181 responses

Video: China-Brazil ‘Friendly’ Cut Short by Brawl

We take you to Henan province in China where a ‘friendly’ between China and Brazil’s national teams degenerated into a melee. China was angry over a foul on Zhang Qingpeng which coach Bob Donewald, a former assistant with the Hornets and Cavs, protested via a chain of expletives. Two techs to Donewald later, and players were kicking and punching each other. China’s players wouldn’t let up, attacking the Brazilians on their way to the locker room. Several players were injured, and Brazil quickly decided to drop out of the tournament.

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  • razif

    Ban China from FIBA!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    #14 for the Brazilian team must be related to Melo.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Everybody was Kung-Fu fiiightiiing…

  • Cizzo

    That was pointless! Them cats from Brazil are beasty…..the Chinese cats didn’t want to go there after one of them jumped that off, typical BasketBrawl, highly entertaining!!!!

  • http://slamonline.com niQ

    Wow. What’s with all these brawls in “friendly” matches…

  • Cizzo

    Then Chinese cats stuck to theyr’e heritage with the rampart kicking….

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    And say what you want, Team China wasn’t having it!

  • flipnoyce

    No one in the Brazilian team use jujutsu, i’m surprise!!!! WoW!

  • chrisnew

    these chinese ballers look like a bunch of assholes

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    OH GOD!
    This was worse than any NBA fight ever. They actually stomped that dude out! Man…
    Those thugs…

  • Tupack Shakur

    Heard him say “You call yourself Chinese? What is this shit!??”

  • http://slamonline.com tina

    LOL@ Eboy, had to rewatch the clip

  • http://staticseth.blogspot.com Seth

    Kermit Washington just cringed.

  • http://sdklff.com Jukai

    Hahah wow the results of that fight were… the exact opposite of what I thought would happen.

  • http://sdklff.com Jukai

    I mean, Brazil just got their ass kicked. Wow.

  • http://Mrjones21901@aol.com Run’n'Gun219

    chinaman was getting in #14 ass….
    they stomped him out like Menace to Society. Was Marbury on they team lol

  • http://twitter.com/malunewyorker Jer Boi

    The China teams f**king pathetic. Brazil looked like they never wanted anything to do with it ever. Don’t know why China kept instigating the whole thing. just sad.

  • http://twitter.com/ROYALTIVEY Royal

    wow

  • andrew

    Street cred.

  • ab40

    well these guys can actualy fight that’s evident out of this clip. it’s a shame that these guys don’t have the self control to you know not go berzerk on their opponents. especialy if it’s their gym in their country. that’s just dumb

  • Sparker

    jerry stackhouse and jermaine o’neal coulda whooped the lot of them

  • http://slamonline BossTerry

    HaHa @ Bryan Crawford 3:24… Why was the ball boy in the middle waving a towel?? (unless that was a very undersized point guard).

  • Kwame

    that reminded me of kung fu hustle…

  • t-sizzle

    the Brazilians were soft and didnt fight back. but hey! they’re freaking outnumbered with the china’s team’s bench’s bench going after them, just woah.. not to mention they were in a foreign country and unpredictable environment where everyone yells at you in a scary foreign language. i wouldn’t wanna fight either in those circumstances

  • themarshal

    its funny that no one tried to hit the big bald dude on Brazil even though he was right in the middle of it… buncha chumps

  • james

    lol damn how you sit back and just watch your teammate gettin stomped out. and still be tryna break up the fight. this shoulda been an all out war but it seems the brazil teams were more lovers than they were fighters

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Again
    THE STOMPED SOMEBODY OUT!
    When was the last time you saw that happen in organized basketball? That was insane.

  • t-sizzle

    i wanna follow up on this.. why did they go after that little guard in the first place and then effed up number 14 and a few others..? can someone gimme a reason here? besides the obvious that they were being goons that is…

  • JTaylor21

    The Brazilians must have made a joke about “manhood” sizes.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Did you see how the little towel boy rushed up on that Big Brazilian, then thought about it? Then when his teammate went to throwing wild bolos, he started hitting dude in the back? Hilarious!
    Number 4 from Brazil was kinda gangsta. He didn’t flinch when the whole Chinese team rushed him although turning your back to a mob is kinda crazy. But the dude just ran up to him and hugged him basically. Then his homie got stomped out for trying to either play peacemaker, or sneak up on the Chinese dude.
    Chinese court security is horrible.
    And Brazilians were looking for the refs to bail them out just like all these FIBA teams.
    Lol.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    T-Sizzle
    The Chinese player apparently got kneed in the groing or stomach.
    Then the other player knocked down Number 4 while setting up in the post. Number 4 started jawing and everything popped off from there. Number 14 just made some bad decisions throughout. He got rushed by the Chinese dude, then stomped out. Gotta be smarter than that.

  • t-sizzle

    Thanks Allenp for the explanation. Originally thought there was a more complicated reason, like specific back and forth bad blood between two players or something like that. Man how things escalate. Funny how in an nbc news article, a few of the Chinese players wore neck braces after that, how did that happen lol? Apparently this isn’t the first time the China team gets into fights, buncha thugs…

  • t-sizzle
  • vtrobot

    looks like both teams played hard. eboy is right about carmelo’s brazilian kin.

  • Rasta

    The Brazilians were scared to fight back cause the communist army was nearby!

  • http://sdklff.com Jukai

    “And Brazilians were looking for the refs to bail them out just like all these FIBA teams.”
    Hahahahahahahaha

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    BC @ 3:24 FTW

  • peter

    that’s one way to win a game

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    brazil was smart for not really trying to fight, one billion chinese were surrounding them.

  • JalepinoSausage

    F***N CHINEEZE Were (unts on that play !!!
    Series

  • http://sdklff.com Jukai

    Allenp & t-sizzle: Chinese player was wearing neckbrace because apparently one of the Brazilian players laid a hard foul which hurt his neck. the neck brace wasn’t because of the actual fighting.

  • Blackphantom

    This is the time when Brazil wishes fighters like Anderson Silva, Wanderlei Silva, Thiago Silva, Lyoto Machida,and Mauricio “Shogun” Rua also played basketball.

  • http://klatschendom.wordpress.com/ speedy

    Drug test?

  • feez22

    lol the chinese players stomped all over the brazillians… literally. the stomping @ 1:44 is too hilarious. Street cred it is.

  • The Philosopher

    Y’all respect the person that got shot.
    I respect the shooter.
    (Jay-Z)

  • lazaruz

    that stompin is messed up.

  • http://sdklff.com Jukai

    Blackphantom: Lyoto is half Japanese and does traditional asian martial arts, but yeah, the rest were spot on, haha

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    WTF I saw clips of this yesterday, did not know about the stomping… Again, WTF?! I like physical ball but no need for THAT in a basketball game.
    I think the coach kind of started it all with getting so p!ssed off in a friendly. It’s a FRIENDLY, son. Come on now..

  • http://www.borntocompete.com Money$hot

    FIBA; where stomping out happens!

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    #8 (Zhu Fang Yu) was just wailing on that #14 Brazilian player and the guy wasn’t even fighting back… Seems like he was just p!ssed off and wanted to fight anyone. Kind of like the Boondocks chair effect.

  • Vince5

    China should be ban from the FIBA for a year after that. Maybe even the next olympics!

  • Blackphantom

    @Jukai dang i didn’t know he was half-Japanese, i knew he practiced Asian martial arts(Karate). But haha wow, i didn’t think anyone else was gonna get what i was saying lol

  • http://yahoo.com kevin armenta

    Heard more sneaker sqreaches during the brawl than the game.

  • http://sdklff.com Jukai

    Blackphantom: Next to basketball, UFC is neck and neck with Football as my favorite pasttime. I love Lyoto because he dominates with the same martial art that little kids take (Shotokan, was it?).
    I’d love for the dude to bash Rampage’s face in (although it’s clear from the last few fights that Lyoto does worse against sloppier, more fist-first guys).

  • Overtime

    Despicable and disgusting stuff from the Chinese team. A whole bunch of them kicking a player on the ground…there should be serious repercussions on this, friendly or not.
    Whats more of a point is how did they get away with continually chasing them? Was secruity so bad in this place they couldnt get between the teams?
    Basically, team China just acted the opposite of Yao Ming’s demeanor

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    STOMPING on dude over and over?
    Imagine if this was in the NBA.

  • http://slamonline.com tealish

    And the Chinese team KEPT COMING. It looked like the brawl was about to be over on several occasions but damn, they just weren’t done…

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Sad situation, especially because the chinese team kept coming back for more. World of sports has seen some insanity come back to it this week, the Euro-Qualifier between Italy and Serbia (football) had to be suspended due to rampant hooliganism. Sh*t was scary, brawls with police, arests, the works. Thank god nothing happened in South Africa during the WC.

  • MikeC.

    Somewhere, Charles Oakley is smiling and Rudy Tomjanovich is curled up in a ball, crying and shaking.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jtrain73 Jono

    These guys are a joke. I’m Asian and in no way should their actions be justified. 1 stupid punch? Fine, everyone loses their temper. But a brawl? In a basketball match? At home? In a friendly? It dosen’t make sense at all. Very f*cking stupid. At least in a soccer match, a bad tackle can be career ending so there would be some need to defend oneself. But c’mon, basketball is almost as girly as baseball so they gotta relax. Nice to see that people like Yao and Yi who are gentlemen are representing China instead of this bunch of country bumpkins.

  • http://slamonline.com Yknot

    Riley would say team China just had a N—- moment!

  • Lan

    Are these the regular guys that play in International Tournaments? Team China should know better especially since they are the hosts.

    Rename ‘Friendly’ Match to a ‘Test’ Match.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    I play basketbrawl.

  • http://elchinas.wordpress.com El Chinas

    Well, that’s one way to raise the global profile of the game *shudder*

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    EAT THE BRASIL

  • Ronald

    @Jono: What’s the point of you saying that you’re asian? Does that justify your point? And, you obviously know nothing if you call Yi a gentleman when he’s known to be a thug. A lot of the Shanghai Sharks are dirty players and would start a fight. @JTaylor: Huh, and you have the gall of calling anyone a racist. Of course, I’m not surprised that you’re a hypocrite. And Team China whilst have a soft-playing style do get into fights from a drop of a hat. They don’t really care what the consequences are.

  • http://www.niubball.com NiuBBall

    Just to clarify things for everyone: This was the third game of a three game exhibition series between China and a Brazilian club team set-up as a warm-up for China for next month’s Asian Games.

    The second game got pretty testy, and on the first Brazilian possession in game three, a player set a huge illegal screen on Chinese point-guard Zhang Qingpeng that caused him to leave the game and go the hospital with a concussion. No foul was called, Donewald got ejected and one minute later, after two players tussled under the hoop for a board, Zhu Fangyu tackled a Brazilian player to avenge his fallen teammate, and the fight broke out.

    http://www.niubball.com/2010/10/fists-towels-and-sausages-fly-in-china-nt-aralditeuniville-brawl/

  • http://shinefluid@aol.com CHICAGO SAID IT YUP

    look at those black thu……oh wait they arent black! the media will laugh at this not criticize

  • Alex

    It takes two to tango.

  • T-Money

    Fights in MLB? About once a month. Fights in NHL? Every game. And when they go into the stands, it’s because the fans are acting reckless. Fights in FIBA basketball? Funny. Fights in the NBA? Bunch of thugs. Suspended for a least a quarter of the season if not the season in its entirety. I’m just saying.. I’ll let you connect the dots.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign Ronald about everything. Not sure if Yi’s a thug though, lol.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ T-Money, Chicago Said It Yup: I agree, the NBA is stereotyped and criticized too harshly compared to other leagues when it comes to brawls. But a lot of people are going to h@te the Chinese players for this. The Greeks and Serbians won’t catch as much flack for their fight–and Krstic’s chair throwing–as the Chinese will for this. I’m pretty sure. Western media, right?

  • burnt_chicken

    T-Money wants to light a fire that just plain ain’t there. You think that fight was funny? Read the thread and you’ll see that the majority of posters here are commenting on the most violent aspect of the encounter–the stomping out.
    Show me when NHLers go into the stands, and cite the sources that claim “because the fans are acting reckless”. I bet you can’t.

  • burnt_chicken

    …and the only reason you’ve got dots to connect is because they still think jigsaw puzzles are out of your reach.

  • burnt_chicken

    …and the only reason you’ve got dots to connect is because jigsaw puzzles are still out of your reach.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/ niQ

    Co-sign Yknot at 9:28

  • burnt_chicken

    uhhh sorry for the double post. I too am a simpleton.

  • hangtime Hec

    The stomping part…Well, that makes me feel ashamed to be a human being.

  • david

    Obviously western media and most of you guys if not all being westernized are biased against asians… I do agree the Chinese were wrong for stomping and the overall violent acts but please don’t make it seem like the Brazilians were angels here.. We don’t know HOW or WHO started this.. Also, if the tables were turned and the brazilians f()cked up the chinese, you guys would all be commenting “Chinese are pussies”, “Brazilians showed them you don’t need kung fu” or other stupid ignorant stuff like that.. However, it’s the other way around so you let your blind bias get the best of you… Also, I don’t remember this much racial generalization and disgust towards the Serbians or Greece for there brawl.. Oh right, they’re not Asian’s, who are depicted by Western media in only negative ways… and Jono, HOW IS YI A THUG?!?!

  • Towelie

    Alex Posted: Oct.13 at 11:30 pm
    It takes two to tango.

    LOL

  • Jay

    damn dude from brazil got stomped.. Didnt think china got down like that sad thing to see. at least man up n square off you dont kick a man when hes on the ground. China needa get there ass whooped!

  • Anthony

    Now im waiting for Serbia-China

  • JoeMaMa

    Krstic should’ve been suspended from the World Championships, and the Chinese team needs to be suspended from their upcoming tournament. They stomped a guy. The players should be banned for a year, at least. No media slant, no stereotypes. Just a suitable punishment for their actions. What a bunch of morons.

  • JoeMaMa

    And do the same to whoever was involved on the Brazilian side. What a black eye for the game.

  • http://www.simonlawy.vemma.com Simon Lawy

    Damn, i need to learn some chinese kung fu

  • tom

    that happens when you have refs who suck

  • Logan

    where was Yao in all of this

  • http://www.wimp.com/selfteaching/ Toni Kukoc

    WOW

    BAN THEM FOR 10 freaking years!!!

  • http://Www.fiba.com Darksaber

    Yao was in Beijing with the Rockets, facing the Nets

  • Andrew

    Wow this brings back memories, its just like any old sunday evening at the Howick Community Centre LMAO

  • thegfunk

    That’s harsh man. Some of those china players are absolute wankers

  • Mike from Spain

    FIBA should suspend for a looooong time those guys who stomped on the Brazilian guy who was down on the ground. SMH

  • Mike from Spain

    @ david, Oct.14 at 1:13 am

    I don’t think so, it is no bias against Asians to say that a man must never be stomped when on the ground, let alone in a basketball court during an international match. It is not a bias against any race, it is just plain dumb and sad that anyone does that. It is even worse that it is basketball pros who do it, not just some angry kid in the park. I hope I never see my national team do that. If your team does that, do yourself a favour and ask them to never ashame you like that ever again.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jtrain73 Jono

    @david I don’t think I said Yi is thug, someone else did. Anyhow this isn’t as hilarious as Kristic or whatever his name is throwing a chair. Now that was first class.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    Wow. That’s pretty unfortunate. I wonder what actually happened to cause such a big fight. No excuses, these guys were acting like punks. What a shame.

  • http://joeloholic.wordpress.com Joel O’s

    And the guys kicking the dude who went down definitely deserve some serious punishment.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jtrain73 Jono

    @Ronald What do the Shanghai Sharks got to do with Yi? He played with the GuangDong Tigers or something somewhere in the south. And you can’t compare the Chinese league the the NBA. All the leagues in China are crazy, the fights that breakout, the protests and boycotting. Oh and bribery. Yi (when he played for the Tigers) wasn’t a thug and if he was, he certainly isn’t now.

  • Aaron

    Whatever, it happens everywhere.

  • LeoneL

    @Jukai, Shogun says hi…kinda surprised you’re into MMA to what with all these rumors about you being in a nursing home. Hahaha.. I kid I kid.

    Anyway, easy to see that the Chinese guys were so tough that they have to pick on the smallest player on the Brazilian squad.

  • JMac

    ban those China players who initiated the brawl and who stomped on the Brazilian players. also, suspend the Brazilian player that taunted the Chinese team, he was the reason they got hacked a second time around.

  • Kurino

    Can I be real with ya’ll? These dudes go harder than Kobe, T-Mac, and Melo.

    Obviously, there wasn’t alot of talking and grabbing going on… Them boys were about their business.

  • d.rob

    lol notice how none of these teams try this with team usa……all i have to say is i.e puerto rico

  • RobbieJay

    co sign d rob.

  • http://nicekicks.com meloman2.0

    @eboy: im pretty sure Melo DIDN’t get hit, and was the one dilevering the punch… Failed attempt at humor

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    I see you T-Money. You know I do.

  • riggs

    yao should comment on this, something along the lines of being ashamed for his fellow peers for the act. also for those people calling the brazilian team soft and the like, what are you stupid? or you must be hardened convicts if you think youre going to take on a whole bunch of people at their own home.

  • twahc

    china is a fast developing country, but their citizens’ mentality isn’t developed like their country.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    @T-money and Allenp – Stop it. No one’s talking about black people. No one’s bringing up race. You fools need to incorporate that sh*t into every single f*ckin thread on this site. If you actually read the comments you’d see that people are saying to ban them and that its disgusting. No one is saying “there must have been some misunderstanding since people who aren’t black are fighting.”

  • Jumper

    That was the brazilian teams fault! They set the dirtiest pick in the world. Dude essentially threw a football block on an unsuspecting guard. That was not a pick. then when they were getting their asses beat handily with very little resistance and they decided to clap and taunt the crowd??? No wonder they came back and started whooping more ass. They deserved it.

  • Jumper

    @Diesel, you have to admit though. If this were team usa and any, I repeat, ANY black players were involved it would reflect negatively on the entire race and not be isolated to a bout of poor judgement during one basketball game. That simply does not happen with other races. PERIOD. Not playing the race card, just saying I understand the observation.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    @Jumper – I get it, black folks are extra scrutinized when it comes to this type stuff. But no one was doing that here, so i don’t see the need for the comments.

  • raptor87

    NHL players have gone in the stands before…google/youtube it.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    @raptor87 – I’m trying to find the article where that NHL player shot up a strip club parking lot. Or the other one where that NHL player was trying to traffic hundreds of punds of drugs across the country? Oh that never happend in the NHL? Weird.

  • raptor87

    @burnt_chicken……..here’s proof.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8K7roZu3WU&feature=related

  • Jumper

    @Diesel, well nobody was doing that here because no black players were involved, lol. I understand what your saying though. A hypothetical situation didnt need to be brought up at all, but somebody did bring one up and I dont think its terrible to discuss that observation.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    @Jumper – I’ve been discussing race on this site for a long time. I don’t have a problem with talking about it. But it doesn’t need to be brought up all the time. Allenp is trying to make a stupid point because I called Britney Griner a thug when she sucker punched that girl.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Son, I wasn’t even thinking about you.
    This is way, WAY bigger than you.

  • burnt_chicken

    thank you raptor87, I stand very slightly corrected. Then again, that happened in 1979, when you were most likely not even alive. I am wondering if there are more contemporary examples? Like, let’s say, within the last 20 years?

  • burnt_chicken

    I do appreciate that you seem to be a hockey fan, and not someone on the outside ignorantly throwing something that seems easy and convenient and poorly defensible.

  • Jelte

    Chinese motherf**kers! They tried to break their legs at some point, kicking people who were already on the ground. What a disgrace, I can’t believe this. What a bunch of idiots.

  • flippity

    I love this game!

    Basketball is awesome. UFC is awesome. Put both together and you have an Awesome Sandwich.

    That guy was doing muay thai knees on the court. LOL!

  • http://sdjfklf.com Jukai

    Diesel: Normally I agree that race is brought up way too much (like in the Griner thread).
    But T-Money was speaking THE TRUTH.
    A very large truth that is ignored constantly.
    And Allenp is speaking for something much bigger.
    No one is really going to care what happened there after a few weeks.
    What happened there was WAY worse than any NBA fight.
    I wonder how long the suspensions will be.

  • http://p p

    well at least it wasn’t black people acting like ni@@gas.

  • Bryan

    man a bunch of asians were gang stomping the one guy…ive only seen that in movies

  • michael

    Those chinses players didn’t exactly initiate everthing. the brazilians played overly ruthless in the first game. Its kind of like an eye for an eye. the chinese guy got hot headed and retaliated. well entertaining thou.
    p.s. i think chinese people in brazil might get beaten over the corse of the night. (kiddin)

  • JalepinoSausage

    TALKING BOUT BAD KARMA

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    @Jukai – I see what you’re saying, and actually, I can see what T-money is saying too. What I don’t like though, is this that this is the second fight video where Allenp has commented with a sarcastic “Those Thugs!”. I understand what point he’s trying to prove: When its black people, they’re thugs, but when its serbs/greeks/chineese then no one’s judging them. But what I’m trying to point out is that people ARE judging them and ARE just as outraged. Reading the comments, one guy said the clip made him ashamed to be a human being; several people called the participants in the fight Goons, Thugs, and Chumps; multiple people said they should be banned for a long time. So there is just as much outrage and name calling over a fight that doesn’t include black people. So I don’t see the point that Allen is trying to make with his sarcastic comments. Which mean his comments with racial undertones are unnecessary for this story.
    On a side note, I am a huge MMA fan myself and was glad to see you support it too.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Ok let’s make this clear.
    This was in China between two random teams. So it’s not going to get the same level of outrage here in the US as an NBA fight.
    That said, it’s the second massive brawl in international play in less than two months. You would think that might merit some extra coverage by the mainstream media.
    You think there might be some conversations about whether there need to be new rules for FIBA, whether international basketball is safe.
    There weren’t, and there won’t be. Just like we don’t see those questions after baseball brawls or hockey fights. We don’t see people called thugs or animals.
    Any time you call a human being an animal, you have crossed a line. You have taken away their humanity and that never ends well.
    It’s not just black people, it’s any people who have been stripped of their humanity in order to allow another group to justify actions.
    I made my comments before anybody else said much. So what you’re saying is that even though I made my comment before everyone else’s I was wrong for making that comment because everybody after me called them thugs (which didn’t happen.)
    That makes sense to you?
    Just admit it, you don’t like what I write, and it bothers you that I write it. It’s ok, it won’t hurt my feelings.
    Look at your response to raptor87. He talks about NHL playes going into the stands, and you respond with comments about strip clubs and transporting drugs as if that’s related.
    Seriously, you’re the one with the problem. If you don’t like reading what I write, skim my name and pay me no mind. It’s not like you’re forced to read my comments. I do it all the time.
    making me laugh

  • t-sizzle

    @diesel people who saw this clip might be outraged, but the media will most likely forget this and call it an anomaly in short time. however, when black people fight, it usually will be brought to attention many times after the actual occurrence of the event, thus the difference. black people just seem to have a bad rap and are judged sharper than other races

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Oh yeah, by the time T-Money commented, nobody else had called the Chinese team “thugs.”
    Just blatant lying. Seriously.
    How did T-Money and I ignore people calling the Chinese team “thugs” when NOBODY ACTUALLY CALLED THEM THUGS!
    Alternate reality like a motha.

  • The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING.

  • t-sizzle

    In the U.S., everyone hears and knows about the negative things that black gangstas do etc.. but no one hears about all the bad stuff that happens with Chinese people in China. You can’t say one race is better or nicer than another race, because people are all the same. It’s the individuals and the education system that makes a difference. That being said, it is no surprise that people (media included) react stronger to events involving black people and stereotype black people with violence, because of the amount of exposure we have to US news involving them.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    t-sizzle posted at 4:11 “besides the obvious that they were being goons that is… ” Then t-sizzle posted at 4:33 “buncha thugs…” when referring to the Chinese team. So don’t call me a liar cause you can’t read. And I’m FORCED to read your idiotic ramblings cause you post them on every story. Hell Slam gave you your own blog cause that don’t want to be seen as “anti-black”. And you’re right, I don’t like what you write because its all just whining.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-confidential/ Diesel

    And if you don’t see the relationship between black athletes shooting up strip clubs and trafficking drugs and the public’s perception that some of them are Thugs, then I can’t help you.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Allenp: Yes, black players are stereotyped as thugs when they fight, but you’re kind of ignoring the prejudices against Chinese people (and other races in general). To think that everyone has nice attitudes towards the Chinese is untrue–read the comments on Youtube. People ARE generalizing about the Chinese as a race, people are commenting on how “The Chinese are uncivilized” etc. and sh!t like that.
    I mean, just freaking READ twahc’s comment at 11:56 am. SMH at that idiot.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign Diesel about people’s reactions to the Chinese players. Allenp how can you say people’s reactions are ALWAYS harsher towards black people? I get your point but the reason this isn’t going to be thought of THAT much by the general American masses is because it had NO NBA PLAYERS in it. If Yao Ming and Yi Jian Lian were stomping out some Brazilian dudes we’d hear about it CONSTANTLY.
    I mean, just read some of the comments that mention the players’ races right before calling them something like “f*ckers,” like Jelte’s comment. There are a lot more on Youtube I’m sure–most people on SLAM are decent, but we still get the odd jag-off once in a while.

  • t-sizzle

    @Diesel, You’re right, those were my reactions to this video. If someone acts out of place, I’ll say it. It still does not disprove what I said about how people often relate black people to violence and criticize the entire black population harder when individuals do fight. It’s engrained in society’s perception and it’s reality.

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Tarzan Cooper

    Tarzan Cooper Posted: Oct.14 at 8:12 pm
    What about fights in baseball? Players can get in the stands very easily. What was that huge bench clearing brawl earlier this year when no one got ejected? Thats just good ol boys of summer. Ron artest got in kobes face cuz kobe elbowed him in his throat? Ron is a thug, should be suspended, should go to jail…………

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Lol at “some of them.”
    Some of EVERYBODY are thugs.
    Name a race of people who don’t have people of that race running around shooting up places and selling drugs?
    I’ll wait.
    So, if every race has people doing the same thing that gets black people labeled “thugs” why is that black people tend to be the only folks getting labled thugs, or people who dress in a manner associated with black people?
    Why is that?
    I can’t believe your argument is “Well black do shoot up clubs so it makes sense!”
    Like black people have a monopoly on bad behavior. Do you think that the bad behavior of other people who share the same race as you should impact how you get viewed as an individual Diesel? How about all the stereotypes associated with your parents immigrant group? Those stereotypes acceptable becauase they apply to some members of the immigrant group?
    Teddy
    Where did you see me say that people’s reactions are always harsher towards black people?
    One, people is too general a word. Two, my comment was co-signing T-money’s comment on the fact that fights are handled differently depending on the sports and the media and general public’s perception of the people who play that sport.
    I agree with you that there were blatantly racist and disrespectful comments made towards Chinese people on this thread. I’m not trying to have an “Oppression Olympics” or trying to argue about who has it worse between black folks and chinese folks.
    I made a sarcastic remark, that I still feels was warranted.
    Diesel had a problem with my remark because he’d like to control what I say, and he made some ridiculous comments that weren’t based in reality. I pointed out the lack of reality in his comments.
    I say you should be pissed about what was said about those Chinese players and that its an example of racism and xenophobia. What gave you a different impression?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Lol at “some of them.”
    Some of EVERYBODY are thugs.
    Name a race of people who don’t have people of that race running around shooting up places and selling drugs?
    I’ll wait.
    So, if every race has people doing the same thing that gets black people labeled “thugs” why is that black people tend to be the only folks getting labled thugs, or people who dress in a manner associated with black people?
    Why is that?
    I can’t believe your argument is “Well black do shoot up clubs so it makes sense!”
    Like black people have a monopoly on bad behavior. Do you think that the bad behavior of other people who share the same race as you should impact how you get viewed as an individual Diesel? How about all the stereotypes associated with your parents immigrant group? Those stereotypes acceptable becauase they apply to some members of the immigrant group?
    Teddy
    Where did you see me say that people’s reactions are always harsher towards black people?
    One, people is too general a word. Two, my comment was co-signing T-money’s comment on the fact that fights are handled differently depending on the sports and the media and general public’s perception of the people who play that sport.
    I agree with you that there were blatantly racist and disrespectful comments made towards Chinese people on this thread. I’m not trying to have an “Oppression Olympics” or trying to argue about who has it worse between black folks and chinese folks.
    I made a sarcastic remark, that I still feels was warranted.
    Diesel had a problem with my remark because he’d like to control what I say, and he made some ridiculous comments that weren’t based in reality. I pointed out the lack of reality in his comments.
    I say you should be pissed about what was said about those Chinese players and that its an example of racism and xenophobia. What gave you a different impression?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    I MADE MY COMMENT BEFORE T-SIZZLE.
    HOW CAN I TAKE HIS COMMENT INTO ACCOUNT IF I COMMENTED BEFORE HE DID?
    The lack of logic is hilarious. The idea that Slam “gave” me something because they don’t want to appear anti-black is indicative of your entire attitude abotu everything and your inability to use logic.
    Slam has had numerous black writers and editors. One of it’s most famous former writers, Scoop Jackson, is black and Khalid, Myles and Bryan are also black. Vince thomas too.
    Slam doesn’t need me to verify that it’s not “anti-black.”
    Come on son, just man up and say what you want to say. I got a blog because of affirmative action, right?
    It wasn’t my writing, it wasn’t the two degrees, it wasn’t the journalism backgound it was because of some sort of “quota” right?
    It’s hilarious. You don’t know me, don’t know anything about me besides our interactions on this site, don’t know my qualifications or lack thereof, but you’re ready to label me an affirmative action hire.
    This is really cracking me up. You’re a walking talking caricature and you don’t even realize it.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Allen, thanks for clarifying. Actually, I was probably reading more into Diesel’s comments than your own–the way he was phrasing them to shape his arguments. My bad. I actually had no beef with any of the comments you made yourself, and I find that I actually agree with them. I think basketball players in general have it worse when it comes to fights, especially the NBA (and this is no doubt due in part to the African-American dominance of the NBA). However, one of the main reasons this fight *might* easily be forgotten by the American masses later is because there were no NBA players present. Again, if Yi Jian Lian and Yao Ming stomped the crap out of a Brazilian player, it’d be ubiquitous in the media for ages.
    “I’m not trying to have an ‘Oppression Olympics’ or trying to argue about who has it worse between black folks and chinese folks.” Real talk. Nor am I because that would be a moot point. Anyways, carry on my friend.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Also, feel free to ignore Diesel for claiming you got your blog due to affirmative action… Wow that’s a stupid thing to say. Tell us how you REALLY feel, Diesel.

  • http://safjdklf.com Jukai

    Ugh, Diesel, I mean, some of the things you said I agreed with and was going to comment on, but holy christ, they gave Allenp a blog cause he’s black?
    HIS BLOG HAS BEEN LISTING PLAYERS FROM THE 90s!
    and outside of Myles, Jones and Russ, he’s my favorite writer HERE.
    I mean, after that, I can’t thumbs anything else you will say here. That’s just dumb thinking man. That makes me think you have an agenda. For goodness sakes.
    The main point by Allen is that the word ‘thug’ has been synonymous with black people. Not that the Chinese wont get over hate (boy, youtube….) but that no one is going to call them thugs for their behavior (even though it fits) because that word is used solely when black athletes misbehave. It’s a true point. You’re reading too much into it.

  • JTaylor21

    T-Money and AllenP are on point. If this were black players or even team USA that even did half of what this guys did, the media and people would be calling for their heads on a silver platter. Those Chinese players were basically doing the A-Town stomp on dude’s head but you never heard a word about it on TV or during SC but wait until Gil does something that helps out a teammate and it’s front page news. It’s a shame that till this day discrimination is alive and kicking. Who says ish like Slam (a website/magazine that’s known and loved by countless black people) give someone a job because they are black WHAT? Looks like someone’s a grand wizard during their spare time.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    JTaylor, how are you going to complain about race with your previous comment about “manhood sizes”? WTF was that, man?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    But all agreed on that ridiculous comment by Diesel on Allenp writing for SLAM as a result of affirmative action. That’s just insulting.

  • http://safjdklf.com Jukai

    Teddy: He’s an idiot. I mean, I’ve spoke with JTaylor before, and he REALLY feels strongly about what he’s saying in his 2am post, and really has no idea how blatantly hypocritical and racist he’s being when he mentions manhood sizes. He’s really void of intellect.
    I mean, he’s even trying to claim that Gilbert getting a fine for fraudulently reporting an injury is due to racism. He’s dumb.

  • JTaylor21

    Teddy, it was an attempt at a JOKE nothing more, sorry if I offended you or anyone else. There is a difference between making a joke, what Diesel said about AllenP and the way people/media react towards black athletes.

  • JTaylor21

    @Jukai, I’m NOT I repeat NOT a racist because I love paper with pictures of dead white guys on it.

  • Ronald

    @JTaylor: Yeah, but there’s no difference between being racist and making jokes that is based upon race. Especially for a person that claims everything against “black” athletes as a racist reaction. It’s obvious you don’t know the real difference between discrimination, racism and prejudice. @Jono: My bad on the team, I don’t know why I thought he played for Shanghai. I guess the word thug is a strong word. What I mean is that Yi has been in his share of scuffles/brawls and is definitely not a gentleman per se. Not saying that he’s not a decent guy, which he is. It’s true that he hasn’t been in any scuffles in the NBA. But, that’s because they are rare in the NBA imho. And Team China unfortunately already had the image of getting into fights. They have one recently at the start of the year if I remember correctly. Personally, whilst I do think that they went overboard I have no problem with teams getting into scuffles and fights. Stuff happens, especially when dealing with a bunch of testosterone filled athletes in a volatile environment where their livelihood and careers are somewhat on the line.

  • Ronald

    @Diesel: Whilst, I agree with some of your points. I do think you took an unwarranted shot at Allenp. I’ve read a lot of comments, and it’s obvious that issues related to race are a issues important to him. But, unlike JTaylor, he doesn’t cross the line. (and, when he does he has the decency to admit to it). It’s nearly impossible to deny that if there were black players in that team who are American it would get a lot more bad press. It’s just the way the American press works. I’m in Hong Kong and there’s been barely a blip about the incident despite it obviously being a “national disgrace” but if the tables were turned and the team that was attacked Team Hong Kong or China, I’m sure there would be an outrage and I would be hearing it 24/7.

  • http://slamonline.com Bryan Crawford

    Uhm… WOW at this thread.

  • Etheknickfan

    “BREAKING NEWS” Ron Artest leaves NBA for China.
    Ron states “It’s time for me to play where I can be free to be myself and promote my cds” In other news, Stephon Marbury is on youtube eating chinese vaseline and crying over this whole incident. Allen Iverson is choosing Turkey cause the chinese team dont have tats.”You cant do that stuff without tats man” Jermaine O’Neal Stephon Jackson Jermaine O’Neal Stephon Jackson Jermaine O’Neal Stephon Jackson

  • Jer Dawg

    This video was shocking to me. China has this prestine exterior exhibited during Olympics in 2008. Where everyone is well mannered and respectful of everyone. We all know no ethnicity is perfect and it isn’t fair to judge either. But, like I mentioned, I was shocked by how Team China was not backing down one iota. Never have I seen such barbaric behavior or testicular fortitude from the Chinese. Maybe the government will do something about this. Maybe not. But LOL on comments on Brazilian Jujitsu and how the hoopers don’t know squat how to fight. Chinese and their street fighting? Where’s the martial arts? I saw that one knee to the gut of the Brazilian player. wow!

  • JalepinoSausage

    Look at Crawfish salivating over the thread. Guess whos gonna blog about mass violence in their next article ? he he

  • JalepinoSausage

    I’m sure if you call it ‘ Kill All chineeze’ it should draw a little crowd of suporters. You welcome Brain. :-)

  • javy

    Wow, the Chinese team surely knows how to land some punches, here is a look at the final stats:

    Punches: 2 out of 200
    Kicks: 1 out of 100
    Slaps: 0 out of 3

    I think my sister fights better than them!!
    Just saying!!!!

  • aiiai

    IF the brazilian team did a dirty foul on the chinese player, then i guess its reasonable to get this angry. i know would if my teammate was purposely hit on the back of the neck. it can cause some serious injuries!!!

    But from this video, we can’t really tell if the foul was intentional or not cause it doesn’t show the foul.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    im not tryin to brag or anything but i honestly think i could take the whole chinese team by myself

  • http://cantbelievesomethinglikethiscouldhappen Stefan

    …. wow this is crazy….
    you really have to have bad culture in your country to want to almost kill someone over a dumb foul
    (and the crazy stomping). Fiba should really
    suspend china i think for the next three years
    i also feel bad for brazil after quiting the tournament due to the injuries the brazilians got in this fight.
    all i have to say is that that was really i terrible thing to do and should NEVER be done on a basketball floor.

  • http://cantbelievesomethinglikethiscouldhappen Stefan s

    …. wow this is crazy….
    you really have to have bad culture in your country to want to almost kill someone over a dumb foul
    (and the crazy stomping). Fiba should really
    suspend china i think for the next three years
    i also feel bad for brazil after quiting the tournament due to the injuries the brazilians got in this fight.
    all i have to say is that that was really i terrible thing to do and should NEVER be done on a basketball floor!

  • str8 from samoa

    ONG BUK.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/hoops-in-view Diesel

    Man I’m not even trying to debate whether or not Thug is a term associated with only black people. I’m trying to find out why it was brought up in THIS story. Is that what we’re doing now? Are we going to talk about race in every story on this site? @Allenp – No, I don’t like being stereotyped. But I am. EVERY SINGLE GROUP IS STEREOTYPED. Not just black people. I’m serbian. I hear people calling us dirty serbs and terrorists all the time. People were ripping on serbs in the other fight video. But I’m not responding to this video by saying “Those Terrorists!” because it has nothing to do with this clip and its just plain old stupid.
    @Jukai and Teddy – I never said Allen got his blog because he’s black or because of affirmative action. I said he got it because Slam didn’t want to look anti-black. Slam is notorious for not taking a position and never commenting on stories involving sex and race. So when these stories involving race & the decision/dan gilbert & runaway slaves get posted and slam staffers like Myles post comments saying race didn’t play a factor, that looks like Slam is taking a position. A position that most black people don’t agree with. In order to counteract that position, I think they brought in Allen. That’s what I was trying to say.

  • http://jayemmbee.blogspot.com Clutch Performer

    this makes the piston pacer brawl look tame
    when this happens in baseball its part of the game
    if this happened in the NBA it would be all over the News bout thugs fighting and how NBA is thugs playing ball or its hip hops influence

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    “you really have to have bad culture in your country to want to almost kill someone over a dumb foul”
    Wow. Comments like THESE almost make me feel ashamed to be a human being (but not quite; this is but one idiot). It’s funny that no one mods these type of ignorant @ss comments.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Diesel, you said: “In order to counteract that position, I think they brought in Allen.”
    That’s just another way of saying you still haven’t accepted ANY validity with Allenp’s points. It couldn’t have been that maybe Allenp raised some GOOD POINTS pertaining to the LeBron/race in media debate? It couldn’t have been that maybe it seems logical for this website to present both sides to an issue or argument?
    And Allenp didn’t even get his blog with SLAM because of the LeBron/race incident. He started with his (dope) posts on ’90s basketball players, ranking the players of each position and providing logical arguments with strong writing. He posted at least 3 of those gems before adding his commentary on the LeBron debate.
    Come on Diesel, I have nothing against you personally, and I agree that many other races besides blacks are targeted, but no one is disputing this! Where did you see Allenp refute this, especially after clarifying his points in response to my comment? You don’t have to agree with Allenp, but your overreaching suspicions on why someone black is given a position is both over the top and clearly crossing the line.

  • Scoonz

    When I watched this video for the first time…this song instantly became stuck in my head… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJw5ztH2gw8

  • blackpinoy

    why the hell all of a sudden everyone started talking about RACE!!! such jack asses.. it was a brawl between two teams and lets leave the race behind people.. but the red team is only getting the heat for this because at the part where both team seemed to have calmed down and the white team was about to just leave the gymnasium when the red team started throwing punches again.. THERE!! I USED UNFORM COLOR COZ I DONT WANT TO BE LABELED RACIST> or would that make me one?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/hoops-in-view Diesel

    Teddy I thought Allen’s first article was the Lebron one. That’s what I was basing my assumptions off of. So I can admitt that I was wrong for saying that. Allen I’m sorry for making inacurate assumptions about how you got your gig. That being said I still don’t know why race got brought up for this clip. That’s been the point I’m trying to make this whole time.

  • Mr. Robinson

    It’s over, Diesel.
    JT21, Diesel..

  • Danny_W_UK

    I’ve known ‘Resevoir Bob’ Donewald for about 15 years. That’s how he rolls. If I was dishing out the punishment? 2 year ban for Team China from all competitions, and friendlies. Plus a 10 year ban for any player seen to initiate any violence.

  • Ryan.T.

    Team Brazil needs to suit up the Nogueira brothers, Wanderlei Silva, Shogun Rua, Anderson Silva, Vitor Belfort, Murilo Bustamante, Jacare Souza, Demian Maia, & Thiago Silva.. I know all of them don’t get along, but I’m sure they’ll come together to whoop some @ss

  • http://sdklff.com Jukai

    Diesel: No, that sounds just as crazy. Allen’s pitch was still the ranking of 90s players, that’s what got him a job here. The letter to Myles was totally separate and was done well after Allen got the gig, but it sure seemed to have angered you

  • Rocca

    Imagine if these were Black ball players fighting like this…It would be a worldwide uproar with all types of stereotypes and slur being thrown around.

  • Mr. Robinson

    HHHEEEYYY. Diesel is jealous of Allenp.
    Its cuz hes BLACK

  • http://nasteedunx.blogspot.com Nasteedunx

    Wu Tang Clan ain’t nothin’ to…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I understand some of what you’re saying Diesel–I’m sure some of us do agree that race shouldn’t have been brought up here.

  • ethan

    lets agree that both teams fight like girls. no offense to girls

  • Johnny Martin

    I always had this preconcieved notion that the Chinese were generally a peaceful, rational group of people.

    Turns out they are just as susceptible to mob psychology as the rest of us…

  • http://gps00200@gmail.com Alex

    hello

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