Elton Brand on the Fab 5 Documentary

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• floe Posted: Mar.19 at 2:47 pm
  eff duke!

• 2KInsider Posted: Mar.19 at 4:27 pm
  You would think that for as long as people have populated the earth, we would have figured out how to get along with each other by now.

• The Black Rick Kamla Posted: Mar.19 at 4:53 pm
  Elton Brand….stand up cat

• The Black Rick Kamla Posted: Mar.19 at 4:53 pm
  @2KInsider…what would make you think that?

• Jukai Posted: Mar.19 at 4:58 pm
  It seems everyone who went to Duke are classy and intelligent.
  What sell-outs.

• bigslim31 Posted: Mar.19 at 7:40 pm
  @Jukai – Intelligent yes. Classy, hell no.

• Datkid Posted: Mar.19 at 8:02 pm
  Cosign bigslim31
  @jukai clearly you’ve forgotten what jj reddick was like way back in the day. Or christian laettner….trust me grant hill is a warrior and I got love for him…and Elton brand’s ok. But everyone else….not so much. And props to Elton brand for realizing that a lot of people felt the way jalen did. Apparently grant hill lives in a bubble.

• rob stewart Posted: Mar.19 at 10:56 pm
  What if your uncle’s name really is Tom. What do you call him?

• sounddust Posted: Mar.19 at 11:17 pm
  ^^^^^^HAHAHAHAHAHA!

• X Posted: Mar.20 at 12:31 am
  Unlike most Duke alumni, Jalen Rose is clearly comfortable in his own skin. When I attended The University of Maryland – College Park, some students burned an effigy of Shane Battier because it seemed he was ashamed to be black. Whether that assumption was true or not, most Duke black players gave you the impression, in the way they carried themselves, that they had no soul and could care less about the plight of African-American’s from the hood. North Carolina, UCONN, Arizona, Maryland, UCLA and Michigan players never gave you that impression. It’s a lot different now, but cats in their late 20′s and older remember how Black Duke players like Thomas Hill came across as Oreos in the 90′s.

• D12FSU Posted: Mar.20 at 1:09 am
  rob stewart wins

• Jukai Posted: Mar.20 at 5:52 am
  I love the “Rose is comfortable in his own skin” comment. That just makes me laugh. Grant Hill ain’t rockin’ duerags and diamond earrings, he’s clearly uncomfortable in his own skin. This stuff really is a joke.
  And what in the world did JJ Reddick do? Just about everything I’ve ever read suggests JJ Reddick was a well-mannered kid but everyone choose to gave him crap because he was a talented white shooting guard from Duke.

• Jukai Posted: Mar.20 at 5:54 am
  And ROFL at the “Grant Hill lives in a bubble” comment. Rose says that blacks who attend Duke are betraying their race. Grant Hill says one shouldn’t judge a book by its cover. Rose refuses to go back on his statement.
  And from this exchange, Hill apparently loves in a bubble.
  The bottom line I’m getting from everyone is, IF YOU’RE BLACK AND HAVE MONEY YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED. Cause they’re sellouts.

• X Posted: Mar.20 at 8:38 am
  Jukai, you’re an ignorant f*ck who can’t read in between the lines. No what I’m saying is just b/c your black (or Hispanic) doesn’t mean you should turn your back on blacks or browns who come from underprivileged neighborhoods. This is exactly what Coach K and Duke does year after year. Every black family has extended relatives that live in lower-income neighborhoods; I’m sure Grant Hill does too. High School prospects from the projects have just as much hoops ability as kids from two-family homes, but Coach K would never recruit a player like JUAN DIXON, who had not one, but two parents that were strung out on Heroin and dying of AIDS in Baltimore; even though Juan had a crazy jump-shot, was an honor student, and was voted Most Outstanding Player when Maryland won it all in 2002. Just because you come from a one-parent home w/o money doesn’t mean you don’t deserve a basketball scholarship. What Grant Hill was basically saying was, “don’t blame me b/c Duke doesn’t recruit “at-risk” kids, that’s their own problem.” That’s why Grant Hill is a sellout, not because he came from a good family.

• The Black Rick Kamla Posted: Mar.20 at 9:35 am
  @Jukai just shut up fam…just shut up, if you didn’t watch the doc don’t talk man just don’t. Jalen at NO point said Duke students were betraying there race, NEVER said that……Race is still a problem in this world becuase of stuff like this, willful ignorance.

• Kevin O Posted: Mar.20 at 9:36 am
  “You would think that for as long as people have populated the earth, we would have figured out how to get along with each other by now.” You must read some different history books than I read because the history of man is about change by way of wars and conflict!

• MikeC. Posted: Mar.20 at 10:07 am
  I missed the show when it aired because I was traveling. Does anyone know where I can watch it online? Torrent sites for Fab Five just give me a documentary about Texas cheerleaders.

• sniper14 Posted: Mar.20 at 11:49 am
  http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/gowhere-hip-hop/2011/03/espn-30-for-30-the-fab-five-video.html
  The first part is good,second part is incredible. It might appear on itunes soon

• mannyec0409 Posted: Mar.20 at 12:11 pm
  There is nothing with how Grant Hill was raised. He was raised differently to how many inner city black kids were but that does not make him any less black…He is one way, Jalen Rose was another. Besides, the fab five were much younger at that time. I bet if you asked many young black basketball fans about Rose’s comments, they will probably agree. That is not to say they are right, of course.

• The Philosopher Posted: Mar.20 at 12:14 pm
  Willie Lynch syndrome…

• hadto Posted: Mar.20 at 3:01 pm
  Why some of you got to make such a disparity between yourselves? To note what Grant Hill says; “I caution my fabulous five friends to avoid stereotyping me and others they do not know in much the same way so many people stereotyped them back then for their appearance and swagger. I wish for you the restoration of the bond that made you friends, brothers and icons.” It’s somewhat moronic of Jalen, and in part the rest of the Fab5, to have a go at those who stereotyped them by stereotyping those who were allowed where they were excluded? It’s blatantly obvious there are stark differences in style, background and decorum between the Fab 5 and the Duke Alum, otherwise the Fab 5 would have got in to Duke (Let’s be frank, they wouldn’t give such a damn if they didn’t really, deep, deep down wish they could have been admitted, or at least been accepted and then chosen to go elsewhere.) It’s the perogative of the Duke admissions team, and the relevant sport coaching staff, as to who they select, not the applicants. The media can’t write about that though, the mass public only care about those who are going out onto the court, and sometimes the coach. Some of you need to stop segregating yourselves, perhaps albeit subconciously, and blaming the other side. It’s like when people make a completely non-derogatory statement with no hatred, ill-intent or unpleasant subcontexts and some ‘tard says its racist. It’s the ‘tard who is racist for seeing discrimination when there isn’t one. And before a ‘tard comes and says I am saying the Fab5 saw discrimination when there wasn’t one, I ain’t. They were discriminated against, and undoubtedly stereotyped, but stereotyping in return is ludicruous. Then again, everyone’s a hypocrite at some stage in their life.

• rob stewart Posted: Mar.20 at 3:57 pm
  @ MIKEC
  I saw it on youtube under “Fab 5 espn”

• Jukai Posted: Mar.20 at 7:09 pm
  @X: And what the hell has Juan Dixon done for his neighborhood by going to Maryland instead of Duke? Does Juan Dixon donate more to charity than Grant Hill, who is KNOWN for giving charity to all sorts of underprivileged groups? GOING TO A CERTAIN COLLEGE DOES NOT MEAN YOU’RE TURNING YOUR BACK ON YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. Duke does not take guys from bad WHITE neighborhoods. Jason Williams would never go to Duke. Chris Anderson would never go to Duke. Duke does not take certain people. Is it racial? Some years, yes. I’ve come to the conclusion that most of the time, they don’t want self indulgent pricks. Think about it.
  @The Black Rick Kamla: -HE CALLED HIM AN UNCLE TOM-
  Look up the meaning of the word you clearly know nothing about. I’ve SEEN the documentary, bro. That’s why I’m so damn angry. Some of them lived very sad lives. But the comment was asinine. And I’m only angry because Rose has refused to refute his statement. And people are all saying “well a lot of young kids think that, it’s fine” but if Grant Hill had said at 17 “those Fab 5 guys are punks and thugs, they should be embarrassed” I bet no one would say “oh well, he was just 17!” He’d be crucified.

• Jukai Posted: Mar.20 at 7:10 pm
  In other words, just co-sign hadto.

• Jukai Posted: Mar.20 at 7:13 pm
  But I mean, Chris Webber’s cool. He was a private school kid with money and two parents but he WANTED to be street so he’s real and all.

• Lloyd Posted: Mar.20 at 11:30 pm
  Co-sign Jukai. Speak that truth! Seems to me that all this controversy comes from young black youth stereotyping themselves. Grant Hill came from a very privileged background and had the opportunity to go to a good school, but for some reason he’s hated on and seen as a traitor to the black community. Being privileged and having a great academic opportunity doesn’t make Grant less “black”. If it does, then we as black youth are defining “black” as coming from a broken home with no money and being brought up in a rough neighbourhood. If we chose to rise up and better ourselves than succumbing to and embracing our circumstances, this wouldn’t even be an issue. If you want to be a product of your environment more power to you, but don’t hate on those who choose or have the opportunity to have a brighter future for themselves.

• Run'n'Gun219 Posted: Mar.21 at 9:34 am
  ITS FUNNY THAT PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND THE BASIS OF JALENS COMMENTS. IT WAS RESENTMENT OF A 17 YEAR OLD KID. AND JUKAI THIS IS A REAL QUESTION . ARE YOU BLACK?

• marc Posted: Mar.21 at 10:09 am
  This is for everyone that is confused by jalen rose comments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDlfp4ADJRE

• baller4life Posted: Mar.21 at 12:31 pm
  ayo… @Run’n'Gun219 what difference does whether @Jukai is black or not make? Let Jukai have a voice whether he is black/brown/red/tan/bronze/etc. Word to @hadto … cosign on that RealTalk
  @X you sound mad bitter boy. #salty as hell.
  Stereotyping goes both ways son… it’s similar to prejudice and assuming things about people before you get to know them… It’s trite but if you AssUme you make an Ass of U and me. LMAO @RobStewart We all know that the Fab5′s comments were made when they were 17 years old. Trouble is that in the documentary, they were still reminiscing on how they felt as teenagers and didn’t clarify if they feel differently today. Even though I did agree with common perception in the 80s and into the 90s like the Fab5, I grew up realizing the world is a lot bigger than just what people in my hood thought. RealTalk: Duke chooses middle-class, Cosby-esque black students because they’re the ones that had some education, decent SAT scores, and GPAs to get accepted into the school. Duke is still a private school so they can keep their own standards. Stanford, UNC-Chapel Hill, Maryland-College Park, Harvard, Michigan-Ann Arbor, etc. all have their own acceptance standards too. Look at the players Duke has recruited over the years: Sean Dockery, Carlos Boozer, Dahntay Jones, Jay Williams, Elton Brand, Daniel Ewing, Lance Thomas, Johnny Dawkins, Quinn Cook, Chris Duhon, Austin Rivers, Michael Gbinije, Sheldon Williams (if I could have a wife like Candace Parker I’d have gone to Duke too.. shiii..) Nolan Smith… you get my point. They all hustled and played ball with a dream.
  This is less about race than about jealousy and opportunity. Black on black hate and violence is slowing us down when we were meant to subdue to the Earth and all that is in it. You can’t fault these brothuhs and call them all sell-outs. They’re just trying to do right by their own families’ dreams and sacrifice.

• zoom Posted: Mar.21 at 12:42 pm
  I’m guessing Jukai is NOT black, but whether he is or isn’t doesn’t matter. He’s still a tard…For all of you dense fools that don’t understand the underlying resentment toward Duke, let me try to clear it up. NO ONE here or in the documentary defined being black as being underprivelged, inner-city, and raised by a single parent. Those of you like Lloyd can get off your soap boxes now, ok? Rose, like others here, was expressing his frustration at the perception that Duke only recruited black players whose home lives resembled some Leave it to Beaver bs. He may not have chosen the best words but his sentiments are understandable. Duke doesn’t do much to put the perception to rest. They make a lot of talented black players feel like they aren’t good enough simply because of where they come from. It’s not really about Grant Hill, and I’m shocked he doesn’t get that. He’s usually a really socially concious guy. So Jukai and the rest of you idiots that don’t get it, too bad. There are some things you’ll just never be able to understand.

• baller4life Posted: Mar.21 at 12:59 pm
  @zoom point taken and I agree with you but you can’t blame Grant Hill for taking a stand for his teammates (white or black) and for black student athletes who go to Duke. “Uncle Tom” accusations are fighting words and people get very defensive about identity especially if you grew up like me thinking it’s us and against them.
  It’s another way for the Man to keep division between underprivileged, inner-city, black youth and black families that make it out of hood but remember how far they’ve had to travel. I’m actually a big fan of the Fab5 and just seeing the documentary reminded me of balling and hanging with my boys repping hip-hop culture on the court and on the streets.
  Jalen Rose has already come along way from when he was a young teenager trying to make a name for himself cuz his pro father wasn’t around much. HE’s a father now and making good $$$$ at ESPN. Would people dare call him an Uncle Tom?
  that’s the irony man and I think each of the Fabulous 5 need to clarify how they may feel today. Too many times, we accuse one another of selling-out and being ashamed of our Black-American heritage. The documentary still speaks to me but I hate hypocrisy and stereotypes. Stereotypes are based on patterns and there’s occasionally some truth but they can not be applied in every situation.
  I had to learn this the hard way but I’m going to stand by it cuz people do surprise you at times.
  What’s great is that the Fab 5 documentary has stirred up things that have been in the black communities’ subconscious for many years now and we need to talk this thing out.

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• B Posted: Mar.22 at 5:27 am
  @everyone: Is there any proof whatsoever that Duke ever recruited one black basketball player over another based solely on better households? Show me two basketball prospects that have similar education but different households, and see if Duke recruited one and not the other. If so, then you prove your point. If not, then the point is made that there is no proof. Is there a certain level of stereotyping involving Duke? Yes, because it’s a private university, and most top private universities are full of affluent white students. It’s a lingering effect of this country’s racial history. I think that Jalen Rose needs to clarify IN THE DOCUMENTARY that the feelings he was describing were the feelings of a frustrated, angry young man, and he does not, in any way, feel that way now. The way he talks about his feelings back then, he doesn’t seem at all sorry or guilty that he felt that way. Duke doesn’t put the perception to rest because how can they? Duke doesn’t think A LOT of students are any good because of their education. Saying that this is only limited to blacks is ignoring how Duke doesn’t really accept people of other minorities as well. Why? Because the people with the best education are rich people, and the most affluent people in America are whites (to clarify: this does not mean all affluent people are white nor does it say that all whites are affluent. It just says the majority of affluent people are white).

• Lloyd Posted: Mar.22 at 11:35 am
  @Zoom. I understand the resentment towards Duke and their exclusive recruiting process. However, Jalen’s comments were still racially attacking Grant Hill, not just the University. His comment shows that any black man who comes from a good home and has money, which opens up opportunities for them to go to a great school, is an “Uncle Tom” or they’re “selling out their race” as Jalen clarified after the doc. How’re they selling out their race? How are they any less black? That would only be true if “being black” was being like Jalen and the Fab 5. Maybe they didn’t say it, but you should probably read between the lines and see the underlying issues. One is Duke vs Inner city black youth, but just as clearly Jalen makes it inner city black youth vs. privileged black youth. Until we stop going against each other and bringing each other down, you can find me on my soap box.

• Tami Posted: Mar.22 at 3:26 pm
  I agree this discussion is so sad because in my hood in E. St. Louis my SINGLE mom would have hit the roof if one of my siblings thought growing up like Grant Hill was being an Uncle Tom!!! Jalen I hope you’re making plenty of money off what you have started. Sadly as a degree having “hood” girl I don’t by your TEEN mistake. You produced the piece and knew exactly what you were doing…… Buckeye Mom!!!

• Diables_bleus Posted: Mar.22 at 4:23 pm
  This is a very interesting discussion and I would like to stand in agreement with everybody who is talking about this is not just a race issue. Nor is it just a black and white issue because I want to be a voice for latino/as as just one of the minority groups who graduated with a degree from Duke. There are many student athletes of various tongues and ethnicities who study at private universities like Duke. We are part of the golf teams, the soccer teams, tennis teams, volleyball teams, lacrosse teams, football teams, and yes we’re are part of the Div.I basketball teams as well. I grew up being fans of the Georgetown Hoyas and University of Michigan Wolverines. It was not easy getting accepted to Duke but when they offered different scholarships so my family could afford for me to attend a private school, I took the offer because it was an opportunity to represent my family and my people. I even got to study Spanish Literature at Duke from professors from all around the world (Spain, Cuba, Argentina, Domanican Republic, etc.)
  If someone were to call me a sellout / “Uncle Tom” for trying to do the best I can and do right by my family, I would look them straight in the face and ask them to say it again.
  As a fan of hip-hop culture and the Fab 5 I respect how honest they were about their feelings and sharing it in a documentary. I was definitely a minority while studying at Duke but I was one of so many. I had Pakistani, Carribean, African, Brazilian, Australian, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Canadian, Japanese, Egyptian, Greek, Korean, etc. classmates.
  Did we all have egos and think we’re the best? sure but who doesn’t when you’re a teenager? I’m sure Jalen Rose, Jimmy King, Ray Jackson, Chris Webber, and Juwan Howard each thought they were the best in their position. Was Duke’s Carlos Boozer a sellout because he was half-latino/half black American who played for Duke? He was recruited from Alaska people. Oh… so he sold out all the entire latino and black communities in Alaska? SMH. Jalen Rose needs to read up on the history of minorities at Duke. I would never call another minority representative an “Uncle Tom”
  I respected Jalen Rose as a student-athlete, basketball player, i respect him as a Father figure to his children, and as a brother in our Lord Jesu Cristo el hijo de Dios but unless Jalen Rose clarifies how he and the Fab 5 feel today about “sellouts” I can not respect them as public figures who are influencing young people today. Orgullo Mi gente… Nuestro Orgullo

• TyMac Posted: Mar.23 at 10:38 am
  This is a very good discussion.. Im from inner city New Orleans and everyone back in my hood were Michigan (FAB 5) fans.. Out of 20 of my friends I was the only Duke fan because of Grant Hill who I wanted to be like. Of course back then i didnt know of his family, I just knew i like the way he played the game. He reminded me of another jordan or pippen at that time. Im also a fan of FAB 5 but my friends would always say why are you a Duke fan too their not street. I told them if I was able to go there I would bring the streets to Duke lol.. Of course I would do it in a respectful manner.

• TyMac Posted: Mar.23 at 11:18 am
  Part 2: I agree with Jalen but he just used the wrong word. Back then that was the only word everyone knew, even though the definition of an Uncle Tom isn’t Grant Hill. If anyone saw the movie (The Program) and remember the part played by the running/fullback Ray Griffen, he was playing the part of what Jalen Rose meant. But he eventually felt bad and came around. But Grant Hill was mad because he’s not like that and had to say something so young guys of today wouldnt think he was that type of person. Thats why he really spoke up about the situation. EVERYONE an Uncle Tom was use for a black person who was from a black community who went on to make it in life but put other blacks down, turned his back on other blacks, lied or didnt want whites to know he was from a black community or associate with blacks from the inner city just to make gain in life. Its not a black person from a 2 parent successful home.

• Buckeye Mom Posted: Mar.23 at 12:22 pm
  I saw the docu “I Need to Praise Me” drama and I disagree. Grant Hill didn’t respond because “He didn’t want ppl to think he was that way.” INTELLIGENT ppl know Jalen’s comments were IGNORANT! Grant responded because it was time to put Jalen and Fab 5 in their place!!!! I agree with another chat board. Jalen is JEALOUS Grant, MJ and others have college careers that are still discussed and admired to this day. I applaud Chris Webber for seeing what damage this video would do and declined to make more dollars off insulting Duke’s black players! Jalen’s crack “How many ppl remember the champs names” proves what EVERYONE is saying… As a MAN he’s still bitter and jealous! Wait I saw Doc Rivers last night say he’s sending his son to Uncle Tomville. hahahaha

• TyMac Posted: Mar.25 at 4:03 pm
  How would Jalen feel if people who went to Grambling St, Southern, Howard, Hampton U, or any other predominantly Black University said that the FAB 5 were sellouts or Uncle Toms for going to Michigan U. Jalen really needed to think about that before he thought or said it when he was younger.