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Wednesday, April 13th, 2011 at 2:17 pm  |  235 responses

Video: Kobe Uses Gay Slur Toward Ref (UPDATES)

Funky fanbelt. Funny fat boys. We’ll let you decide what Kobe actually said to referee Bennie Adams (around the 0:36 mark) after getting his 15th T of the season in last night’s game against the Spurs. Warning: vulgar language.

UPDATE: Kobe issued an apology this afternoon: “What I said last night should not be taken literally. My actions were out of frustration during the heat of the game, period. The words expressed do NOT reflect my feelings towards the gay and lesbian communities and were NOT meant to offend anyone.”

UPDATE: The NBA fined Kobe $100,000 for making an anti-gay slur. Commissioner David Stern issued the following statement: “Kobe Bryant’s comment during last night’s game was offensive and inexcusable. While I’m fully aware that basketball is an emotional game, such a distasteful term should never be tolerated. Accordingly, I have fined Kobe $100,000. Kobe and everyone associated with the NBA know that insensitive or derogatory comments are not acceptable and have no place in our game or society.”

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  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    Ironic, given my attempts at Twitter levity, that I’ll be the one to quibble with the headline: He didn’t (apparently) call the ref a naughty name. He (apparently) used a slur that, depending on the context, could be seen as every bit as offensive as a white guy calling a black ref a n….

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    I wonder if anyone will have an opinion about my opinion.

  • Gammack

    “fuc king f ag”. Also, just about punched Joe Smith in the arm there.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    He’s such a classy guy, isn’t he?

  • robb

    foamy bag?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    He couldn’t have gone with the tried and true insult, “f*cking b*tch” could he? Always has to be different, this one…..

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Pumpkin swag?

  • MUBWAR

    Lool no matter how much i dislike kobe he makes the game so much more fun. A fing f@ggot is probably what most refs deserved to be called

  • JTaylor21

    Sensitive thug needs hug

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    The Kobester should have threw a punch like that at Chris Childs.

  • http://slamonline.com Kap

    When keeping it real goes wrong…

  • http://google c_cantrell

    haha pg13 sh*t talking.. gotta love it

  • badnews

    except that you can SEE color

  • Fat Lever

    “This is why D Rose is the MVP and he’s not. D Rose would never say that!” – Signed, Crazy, Blinded, Irrational Derrick Rose Fan Club.

  • http://sds.net Daxx MD

    those referees deserves it… go kobe!

    kobe got hammered all the time and no foul called.. he breaths on other players and its a foul!!!! F$^%^%*^!

  • http://www.SoleCollector.com NDP

    Is it wrong to say that? Sure. But reckless things are said every second on the court — I talk a certain way when playing, as we all do. It’s part of the culture, and I don’t think it’s fair to blow this out of proportion and paint Kobe as anti anything. It’s a heat of the moment thing he yelled — and nothing more.

  • vtrobot

    In Kobe’s defense, he has offered the GLBT community a lot of support in the past (see: that LA Times fashion shoot).

  • http://www.google.com/news BETCATS

    Is the ref gay? Because if he isnt, i dont see what the big deal is. Calling a non-gay person or even a gay person that can mean something totally different given the context of the conversation/moment it happens. If Kobe used it as a sexuality slur then that is wrong and he deserves to be punished but if he was using it as an insult then i dont understand why everyone is getting so excited.

  • J-MAC

    Its a figure of speech. I mean if somebody says “thats gay” all they are saying is that something is retarded. I really dont think people should be held accountable for things said like that on the court.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Hard to determine who has less class: Kobe or Gloria James. I like Kobe’s half-assed statement he released….NPD basically quoted everything Kobe’s statement said. Such a phony piece of sh*t.

  • namik

    If I had to be offended by what people say on the court, which I’m not, I’d be more concerned about Ryan Hollins calling Charlie V “bald boy” multiple times. And someone who hurls homophobic epithets around here every other day at anyone who doesn’t agree with his opinions should not ask questions about “class”. Just because you’re not important enough to have a camera aimed at you and millions watching every time you slip up doesn;t make you right. Oh yeah, this should be followed by comments of me being “butt hurt” or something. Just as long as its done with “class”, bring it on.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    That’s some terrible logic right there, BETCATS.

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    Not a fan of him (or anyone) saying this, but I’m not going to hold something that anyone says one time as a statement on their mindset towards an entire demographic.

  • dahon

    he hit joe smith…the man could have been injured…

  • http://www.slamonline.com jumpman3224

    And, I wouldn’t really say that he made that statement or even “called” the ref a naughty name. Seems more like he yelled something then said the offensive bit to himself.

  • http://AOL.COM RUN’n'GUN219

    You guys are so soft. Most of yall act as if u never played ball on the court. Its part of the game to show emotion and talk sh!t. If that offends you go watch bowling or chess or some sh!t, you fcking wussies acting like fcking f@ggots.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    namik….unless moron or simpleton are new terms viewed as homophopic slurs, I think you’re making an as*hole out of yourself for no apparent reason and making things up. This piece doesn’t say “Eboy says a Naughty Word”…so what’s your point? I have an opinion. You have one. I’m not the subject here.

  • http://AOL.COM RUN’n'GUN219

    @ fat lever yeah DRose would never say that cuz he is to busy blowing blunts and throwing up the folks gangsign. and BETCATS i could not have said it better myself.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Uhm….on any street court in America saying what Kobe said to someone else would lead to an ass-whipping from one side or the other. Kobe knows there’s no repercussions from saying it to a ref (at least in confrontation form)….stop acting like it’s the same thing.

  • http://google c_cantrell

    ^eboy..
    il second that

  • namik

    No. “Dick Rider” and its various forms might be though. My point is let’s get the hell off our high horses. And I’d say the same thing if it was LeBron or DWade instead of Kobe.

  • J-MAC

    Kobe just had to be pc about it. But who hasnt said somebody is being a f*gg*t. Doesnt mean they are being homo.

  • izzo

    Professional athlete in casual homophobia shocka!

  • Josh

    Worse things are said on the basketball court every single day. This isn’t news.

  • J-MAC

    *
    pc in apologizing that is.
    Run N Gun is on point with his statements

  • http://AOL.COM RUN’n'GUN219

    what court will you get beat up for calling some one a fcking f@g??? because thats normal talk at any court i have played on. ive said it been called it and been called worse. its part of the game. it makes the game fun, and intense.

  • KSupreme

    Fish Filet

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    Kobe used a word widely considered an insult to gay people, and he clearly used it as an insult against the ref.
    I get the whole “it means lame, not gay” thing, and I’ve weakly done it myself, more than once.
    That doesn’t change the fact that it’s wrong.
    I don’t think Kobe’s a homophobe. That isn’t even the point.
    The point is that as long as people think it’s okay to use a slur aimed a one group of society as a more general term for lameness or weakness, negative and generally inaccurate stereotypes are reinforced, and that group is always going to be marginalized.
    Marginalization has consequences. Bad ones.
    I’m glad this happened, because it’s encouraging conversation on the topic. Anytime we can get athletes and fans talking about homophobia, it’s a good thing. Inevitably, eyes will open. Just sucks it takes so long.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Perhaps you’ve been playing with hearing impaired players?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Run N Gun….I saw a guy get beat unconscious with a Coleman water jug for being called a “fa*got”. The dude that did the beating said to the other, at least 3 times, “what did you say?” and the other cat kept saying it, each time with more fire behind it. Dude lost it and knocked that cat to sleep. This was about 10 years ago. I’d be wary of calling some strange, random dude I didn’t know a “fa*got” after I saw that happen from about 10 feet away. Just saying.

  • izzo

    Can the headline be changed, please? It’s embarrassing.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Actually, he was calling him a “fa*got b*tch” but it is what it is.

  • ThaWindy

    No need to hate on Rose being a G.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    @ Fat Lever & RUNnGun – what the hell this has to do with D Rose?
    And it’s not the “folks gangsign”, cause Folk Nation has dozens of gangs and signs, as does the People Nation.
    Don’t speak on sh*t you don’t know about.

  • ThaWindy

    and he said *aggot

  • J-MAC

    Ryan you are soft dawg. This is basketball this isnt politics. You obviously never balled or are from a naive environment. Go to any playground or gym and this along with other terms are used…AND ITS ACCEPTED. E you are such a hater. Everything Kobe does good or bad you scrutinize to the highest degree. If MJ would of said the same thing you’d be like “oh its just his passion for the game”

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    I saw a 16 year old kid get knocked clean out and sent to the hospital by a grown a** man at my gym, for calling him a f*gg*t, repeatedly. and that was about a year ago.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    And look…I know “f*ggot” is a street term for sucker or whatever, but still and all, it’s usually a line crosser in spots I’ve been at.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    Eboy, dude does sounds like a b*tch if he needed a water jug to handle his business.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    f*g is what British people call their smokes. Just sayin’.

  • Eddie

    Hmmm I wonder why the NBA just released that LBJ’s jersey movin more than the Black Mamba’s.ILLUMINATI. ITANIMULLI David stern. Nrets Divad.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    I’d like to see all you Kobe protectors reaction if it was Lebron that said the same thing.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    its actually the French.

  • Yesse

    This is exactly why the game sucks these days. I wan’t the 90′s style back.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Eboy

    Oddly, it happened while he was drinking from it in between games and the other dude tried to smack it out of his hands (while it was up at his face) during his rant…..dude went from there.

  • Ryan

    what a classy man.

  • Sean

    I swear I read this shit everyday but never comment. I had to say this EBoy you are absolutely pathetic.

  • ClydeSays

    I’m sure isht gets said all game, every game, but Kobe said it during a national broadcast with the camera close up. I’d guess Kobe will definitely catch a fine and have to apologize (again).

  • http://www.sonicbids.com doyouwantmore

    Political correctness is disgusting. Kobe’s treatment of the ref is also disgusting. Kobe’s wife is not bad.

  • http://juan.garcia@computershare.com Buck Foston

    Good thing it wasn’t LeBron saying that in Miami or he’d alienate over half the population there.

  • Eddie

    @Eboy Nrets Divad Nrets Divad Nrets Divad Nrets Divad. Only reason why your boy is movin them units. Nrets Divad

  • Irish55

    what would have kobes and the rest of the publics response been if the ref had turned around and said ” shut up kobe you f*****g n*****” or does that kinda talk happen all the time aswell

  • Eddie

    @Eboy Nrets Divad

  • J-MAC

    Is Kobe a habitual line crosser?

  • http://jojo.com Max

    Theo Ratliff is like;
    Ok, awkward why you flipping man?

  • Jer dawg

    He had better not be fined. The damn cameras are always on these players and isn’t there a 5 second delay anyway? People behind the scenes get paid to cut away from the player when they see or hear obscenities. SMH why is this news? Damn espn highlights this like it’s headline news. Ignore it, please.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    He probably just snapped and forgot it was even in his hands, E. LOL

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Co-sign Ryan Jones 100%.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(slang)#Use_in_Britain IAMORANGE4EVER

    Originally confined to the United States, the use of the words “f*g” and “f*ggot” as epithets for gay men has spread elsewhere in the English-speaking world, but the extent to which they are used in this sense has varied outside the context of imported US popular culture. The words “qu*er”, “h*mo”, and “poof” are all still in common use in the UK, and some other countries, as pejorative terms for gay men. The words “f*g” and “f*ggot”, moreover, still have other meanings in the British Isles and other Commonwealth societies. In particular, “f*ggot” is still used to refer to a kind of meatball, and “f*g” is common as a slang word for “cigarette”. Use of f*g and f*ggot as the term for an effeminate man has become understood as an Americanism in British English, primarily due to entertainment media use in films and television series imported from the United States. NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE…KOBE was calling the ref a meatball! SMHLOL

  • http://juan.garcia@computershare.com Buck Foston

    Including F-Boy and E-boy

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    How is it hard at all to comprehend that using a slur to insult someone else is just wrong? HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THIS.

  • IAMORANGE4EVER

    In the British Isles and other Commonwealth societies, f aggot is still used to refer to a kind of MEATBALL, and f ag is common as a slang word for CIGARETTE. Perhaps Kobe was calling the ref a bleeping meatball for making what he thought was bad call. Just sayin.

  • http://AOL.COM RUN’n'GUN219

    Enigmatic im from gary,indiana 20 mins away from the chi so i know about it homie. and it was the forks he was throwing up. but i only bought it up cuz fat lever was talking that classy sh!t. i like drose alot tho

  • http://www.twitter.com/TheDiesel Anton

    You guys are insane, he clearly said “Fluffy Rabbit” in anticipation of the new Trix cereal for Easter.
    Chill.

  • J-MAC

    Damn Teddy you are soft too!

  • Jer dawg

    He might as well start cursing underneath that baggy jersey of his or curse in another language. But someone will be offended.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    rofl @ “Political correctness is just disgusting.” This has nothing to do with being “politically” anything. Having the common decency to at least TRY and not use racist/homophobic slurs is just correct–that’s it. It’s CORRECT. F*ck this “politically correct” crap; whenever it’s brought up, people start complaining about it just for an excuse to be a jack@ss. No offense.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    Hi J-MAC. I pay a mortgage and work a job and a half and feed two kids. I’m guessing that doesn’t match your definition of “hard,” but when you grow up, you’ll understand.
    That said:
    Your ignorance is sad, but not at all surprising, on this thread or in the broader world. You sound pretty young, and you live in this world of false-machismo where it should be fine and acceptable to use the word “faggot” as a way to emasculate a straight man, while pretending that it’s got nothing to do with anyone being gay.
    Of course, that’s absurd.
    People get fired from their jobs and bullied in their schools and, sometimes, even killed for being “faggots.” That word means what it means regardless of your narrow definition of a playground diss.
    It’s not okay. It should not be acceptable. And if understanding that makes me “soft” in your worldview, I would never, ever want to be hard.

  • izzo

    A few things: This really isn’t about Kobe, this is about how alarmingly common and accepted homophobia is in professional sports in general. So you guys pointscoring either because you hate Kobe and this is just another convenient way to badmouth him or if you’re a fan and are equating condemning homophobia to being a ‘hater’ can kindly f*ck off.
    -
    It’s a problem, because, as Ryan said, marginalization is never good thing but also statistically speaking, there are gay men in the NBA. There pretty much has to be. The same with every other sport. It’s a hard thing to come out at the best of times, but imagine the difficulty if all you hear all day is dumb macho posturing(as compensation for latent homoeroticism inherent in every sport, but whatever). They deserve to have their rights protected, the same way any group does, no matter how popular.
    -
    If this type of language does indeed happen on every playground: so what? It doesn’t make it any less wrong. The NBA should be held to higher standards than some moron running his mouth in your town’s court. Like it or not, and I hate to make this argument, but these players are role models, insofar as they do have influence. They are ambassadors for brands, charities and for the NBA as a whole. This type of thing gives some morsel of credibility to every dumb stereotype you’ve ever heard against the NBA, or just sport in general. I guess the NBA should strive to be better than the lowest common denomenator is my point. I look forward to being called g*y.

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    Well of course people have gotten their a** beat for calling someone a f*ggot. That’s about as offensive as calling a Jewish person a “kike”. Or a Chinese person a “Chink”. And Eboy, Kobe is probably my all-time favorite player(I can’t say Jordan because he retired when I was nine during his Wizards days and I wasn’t all that interested) But, I know he’s not very classy….at all. It’s kinda pathetic how harshly you’re judging him considering the fact you probably never played with nor had a sensible conversation with him before. I’m just saying unless you’ve actually gotten to know that person somewhat, hating his guts (i.e. “Such a phony piece of sh*t) is kinda stupid. I’m NOT defending him, please don’t think that, I believe he should’ve been kicked out of the game for that…maybe suspended for the final game of the season….And I’m a die-hard Laker fan. I’m just saying hating a person without even having them is just stupid.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    Izzo is too smart for most of you. And a g@y.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    @RUNnGUN – My bad, fam.
    Unlike most of the rest of Indiana,
    Gary, Indiana gets love from me any day (East Chicago, too)

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    J-MAC: First of all, it’s an insult. Calling someone that is probably worse than calling them an @sshole or something like that. It’s pretty much saying FU.
    Not only that, but it’s a slur. If you were black, how would you feel about white people using the N word? Does it make it okay if they’re calling each other the N word? No black people are around, yet they’re using it as an insult because they think black people are not on their level–it’s the same thing as insulting black people anyway.
    The insult here is not that he’s calling anyone gay or not. Being gay isn’t something demeaning or insulting or something to be ashamed of. But insulting someone with that slur is, both to the person you’re insulting and to actual homosexuals, because you’re equating something demeaning WITH that particular group of people.
    It’s not a question of IF people us it all the time–of course they do. And they have the freedom to do so. But it doesn’t mean you SHOULD do it. Big difference, pal.

  • Fat Lever

    Enig, I was just playing, relax dude. And those trying to equate Kobe saying this to a pickup game are missing the point. Are dudes that are playing pickup worshiped by millions of influential youngsters? Are the actions of dudes that play pickup displayed for all to see on TV? Kobe should know better, flat out. He had time to marinate on his thoughts, I counted 30 seconds, and then he said it. He was wrong here. End of story.

  • http://www.pablasso.com pablasso

    Eboy really has a “Kobe” problem. You should look into it, its really not sane to have foam on your mouth over one guy who doesn’t even know you.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    LeBron would never call anyone a f*cking f*g. He’d just openly admit to the media that he’d never welcome a gay teammate. And he did.

  • JTaylor21

    To the clown that said he wants 90s NBA back, Kill yourself! That’s a start.

  • blakos

    NBK, The word fag is used frequently for cigarettes. Or have you not met many peeps from England?

    Well said Izzo^^^

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Is it the end of the world that he called some referee a f*g? Of course not. Just like it wouldn’t be the end of the world for some random racist f*cker to use a racial slur on me. That just doesn’t excuse it, though. At all.

  • J-MAC

    Izzo i feel what you are saying but its not he is running around LA calling people that. He said it during a game. Profanity is a part of the game. When emotions run high and the game is on the line curse words are used. Its a figure of speech. It has different meanings like IAMORANGE said in England its a smoke. Do they really need to ban bad language?

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    For an apparent homophobe, J-Mac sure seems focused on which guys are “hard” and “soft.”

  • idrees

    “wat a fag.”

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    “We’re like family and you take showers with each other,” James said Wednesday. “We’re on the bus together and we talk about a lot of things and if you’re not trustworthy, like admitting you’re gay, you can’t be trusted. It’s a trust factor.” BRON SAYS STAY IN SCHOOL, DON’T DO DRUGS AND DON’T TRUST GAYS!

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    J-Mac: “@sshole” is profanity. “D*ckhead” is profanity. “Motherf*cker” is profanity.
    “F@ggot” is a slur meant to demean g@y people, no small number of whom have been harassed, beaten, and in some cases driven to suicide or even killed with the word “f@ggot” ringing in their ears.
    It shouldn’t be that hard to see the difference.

  • karma

    Homophobia runs rampant in the NBA. Atleast he didn’t pull a Lebron and say he doesn’t want a gay teammate at all and wouldn’t accept them.

    Its a heat of the moment thing.

  • http://nobulljive.com Enigmatic

    I side with Ryan Jones, Teddy and izzo on this.
    Just don’t know how to articulate it in writing as well as they can. lol

  • namik

    I don’t think any defending this is saying its “ok” to call someone that. And if they are, they’re morons and should shut the F up. Its not something to be proud off or something to teach your kids. But the fact is that most of us HAVE said it at some point or the other, and probably on more than one occasion. So if you do have to come in here and preach, at least have the decency to admit that before you chastise someone else. Yes it’s wrong to say it for all the reasons listed above and yes, there should be conversation on it, but if the jumping point for it is Kobe Bryant acting like an idiot, then its a pretty sad state of affairs to begin with.

  • J-MAC

    Teddy I didnt make the choice to be black broski and its one I can’t change(tho I wouldnt)

  • Hambone

    To me it sounds like he does an excellent Steve Kerr impression.the thing is we want all these superstars to keep it real and be like the guy next door and when they do we want them to be angels and role models.by the way if the guy next door called me an ass bandit he’d be picking his teeth out his shit

  • izzo

    Sometimes Kobe is wrong and the fact that, in the past, people have been wronger, is irrelevant.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    F@ggot is a slur and shouldn’t be used. I used to use it, but when I began to see it as a slur, and not just another word, I had to stop.
    To gay people, it’s just as offensive as n*gger. Now, I could argue with that, but I won’t because it’s not important. What’s important is that there is no reason to use slurs for people. It’s a sign of disrespect.
    And, just because Kobe loves the gays (lol) doesn’t mean he gets to use slurs with other people. It doesn’t work like that, no matter how many people claim it does.

  • JoeMaMa

    The guys that are dogging Kobe: are you doing it because he said a wrong word, or because you don’t like him from before? I don’t think he said a right thing, but I also know that none of us are perfect. I’ve used the word ‘f*g’ much in the same way Kobe did, in the heat of the moment, and I’ve learned, throughout my life, to change that thinking. But we all need to learn from our mistakes, hopefully accomplished in a positive manner, not with the peanut gallery throwing potshots from behind computer screens. Someone trashing Kobe for doing this isn’t trying to change the behaviour of his/her surroundings. They’re just providing a righteous, negative judgment that doesn’t go beyond the ‘send’ button. Weak.

  • J-MAC

    Ryan I have no problem with gay people. I just dont see myself getting all caught up in my feelings about Kobe calling the ref what he did.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    J-Mac: All the relevant scientific research points toward a genetic predetermination for homosexuality. Meaning g@y people likely had as much say in their sexual preference as you did in the color of your skin.

  • JTaylor21

    What the hell does LeBron have to do with Kobe using a slur? Sounds like a typical kobe fanboy tactic.

  • NJ4Life

    I love how J-MAC justified using “f*ggot” by equating it to the word “retarded”. That’s the most politically correct statement in the history of mankind.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    That’s great to hear, J-Mac.
    So it’s clear, I’m really not all that bothered by what Kobe said in the heat of the moment.
    I’m bothered by people who think it should be acceptable to use that word as an insult without considering all the weight behind it.
    You cannot use that word as a synonym for “weak” or “lame” or something less than a man, and pretend that’s not offensive to g@y people.
    So, if you really “have no problem” with g@y people, you should find another word to use.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    This has been fun. Everybody have a good evening.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    All the relevant scientific data eludes that sexual preference is determined during your formative years. There is no “gay gene.” but a combination of factors, either way though, gay people don’t choose to be gay. Just like people don’t choose their skin color. what Kobe said is a slur, and as a person in the position he is, he should know better.

  • http://www.slamonline.com/online/category/blogs/farmer-jones/ Ryan Jones

    AllenP, man. Reliable as always.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    sorry didn’t see what Ryan wrote, didn’t mean to echo him so closely.

  • JD

    in fairness its as much kobes fualt as it is for society for commonly using this word without really giving thought to its true meaning its like the n word used to be used in the usa

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Myles
    Wasn’t the question whether LeBron would welcome a teammate suddenly revealing that he was gay? Like coming out of the closet now after being on the team for years?
    If I remember correctly it was about the idea that you’ve been pretending to be straight when you knew you weren’t. LeBron sounded ignorant, but it’s important to make that note because it’s not the same as saying “Gays aren’t welcome here.”
    I think men are uncomfortable with the idea of being constantlly assessed as sexual partners by other men. Of course, this shows the arrogance of most men in thinking that people are always assessing them as sexual partners, but since that’s what many men do to women, it makes sense they would assume that.
    So, for many straight men their belief is that a gay dude in the locker room would be making value judgements about their “sexiness” and no matter how often gay men say they wouldn’t do that, straight men aren’t going to believe them because they wouldn’t believe a straight man who said the same thing about a group of women.
    I hope that wasn’t too convoluted.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dfrance21 dfrance21

    How about the NBA pan away from Kobe when he’s throwing a tantrum on the bench and Kerr shut up and keep calling the game? I’m in no way condoning what Kobe said, but at the same time many of us have said similiar things in the heat of the moment, or just goofing around or whatever. The only difference is this was played out on TV and our lives are not. A lot of you same people took Charlie V to task for twitter snitching on KG, but want to criticize Kobe for this? What happened to “whats said on the court, stays on the court?”
    A lot of you just have you’re on personal vendetta against Kobe for whatever reason and take any chance to take a dump on him. You Lebron fans wouldn’t be here commenting if this was about him, same thing with you DRose fans or Wade fans, or anyone not named Kobe Bean Bryant fans. You only want to speak up on a social issue when it pertains to someone you don’t care for and thats lame. And I am in no way a Kobe fan, but I while I dislike him as a player, I won’t allow that to cloud my judgment on all things Kobe.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Ryan Jones with the truth.
    Honestly, how many people in the world would choose to be gay? Can we honestly say we think people would want to be downtrodden, beaten, made fun of throughout their formative years, hated, cursed and sometimes killed just to call themselves different?
    Labeling something as gay in a negative light says something about our society. It’s sad that we listen to the masses and let that “trash talk” we often hear at the local gyms carry into our own lives. It’s a vicious cycle with no winners.
    I have also always been fond of Ryan’s sarcasm, no homo.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Yeah. I just wanted to start some sh*t. I’ll see myself out.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Sidenote
    I think the “Who would choose to be something that has such harsh consequences?” argument is a bad one.
    Think about all the bad choices people make everyday.
    That said, I don’t believe homosexuality is a choice for all people, and I don’t believe it ISN’T a choice for some people. I think blanket statements on the subject are off base, and in this discussion immaterial.
    This is about common respect. I’ve had this very same argument with my father who likes to drop the f-word as a commong designation for a gay man. We’ve gotten into heated arguments all the time, and he refuses to change, but he understands my point now.
    You shouldn’t go around using slurs for people in general. You particularly shouldn’t use those slurs as part of your standard conversation. Sometimes, in the heat of the moment we say things that are wrong, Lord knows I do when I get heated about racial matters involving white folks. But, that doesn’t make it ok.
    We should all be adult enough to admit that our bad behavior does not justify other bad behavior, and that we have a responsibility to correct ALL bad behavior. It’s that simple.

  • izzo

    A better argument: If it is a choice, and I truly believe that it isn’t. So what?

  • http://www.slamonline.com c_cantrell

    i cannot stand f@gs.. i think every f@g should be hung up in a tree, as there should be absolutely no room in this world for f@gs n if it was up to me, they would all be done away with nazi stlye.. kinda random but just felt like expressing my feelings on the manner for a min.. f*ck f@gs

  • J-MAC

    What do you think Tim Hardaways take is on this subjuct?

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.l.brewer3 BlackPhantom

    C_Cantrell????? You aren’t serious are you?

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Allen,
    I see what you are saying, but usually those terrible choices people make have some type of gratification involved.
    Cheating on your significant other is anything but smart, but the satisfaction from someone else is there and within those moments, it is “worth it.”
    The same can be said about the highs one feels when using drugs or alcohol. The destruction comes from the chase of the high.
    What I’m saying is there is passion involved in those instances and at least some type of elation.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Cantrell brings up an interesting point.
    I hate stupidity and ignorance.
    All people have a choice in their stupidity and ignorance.

  • vtrobot

    if the NBA player and the ref are both gay, can the player use that word? lighten up, everyone. peace and love to all orientations.

  • http://www.slamonline.com c_cantrell

    BlackPhantom..
    yeah bro im serious as hell.. i just cant stand the thought of a guy gettin on with another guy.. does that not bother you man? that sh*ts just unacceptable.. f@gs keep a pretty low profile around where i live, they have no choice.. hospitalizing f@gs is an extremely well followed tradition in my neck of the woods

  • J-MAC

    C-What about a girl on another girl?

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    Why are we debating if being gay is a choice or not? Kobe wasn’t trying to make a statement on gay rights. The dude got heated and used a word that half the posters here admit that they use in the heat of the moment too. I don’t think he intended to use the word….but when you get heated, you revert to using the slang and language that you grew up using. Many people, including myself, grew up seeing the word f*g as interchangeable with d*uchebag. If I get angry and call one of my friends a f*g, I’m not trying to tell someone I don’t like gay people…I’m trying to tell him he’s acting like an idiot. I don’t understand why a gay person would be offended if they knew and understood the context that I was using it in.
    F*g used to mean something completely different back in the day until someone decided to use it as a slang word for gay people. If a different group of people started using the word as slang to mean an annoying person, what’s the difference? As long as you know the context its being used in I don’t see a reason to be offended.
    There are all kinds of words that mean one thing, but then people use as slang to mean something else. Should grade school teachers stop using the word “brain” because a few years ago some random group of people decided to use it as slang for oral sex?
    The same word, used in different scenarios, means different things. As long as you know the context its being used in I don’t see a reason to be offended.

  • http://slamonline.com kobehater

    why does this not surprise me, or is he on his period. lollol KOBE SUCKS

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Nicolas Fleming
    Think through what you just said.
    There is an obvious gratification.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    CCantrell
    So, you actually think it’s a good thing that you beat up other people because of who they sleep with?
    You think this makes you tough, strong or even moral?
    You are pretty much a Klansman.
    A domestic terrorist preying on a minority to serve your own ends. You are scum.
    Yes, I am judging you. May God hold me accountable to the same standard. If I callously bragged about beating up “spic(s”, “k(ikes)”, “n*ggers” or “honkies” it would be despicable, and so is your comment.
    There is no reason to inflict physical violence on someone for who they sleep with it in today’s world. It’s evil.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    And Flemming was joking when he did it, but it is funny how many of you that use “no homo” when you post here, or “pause” are all of a sudden angered when Kobe uses “f*g”. At least when he used it, he wasn’t purposlly trying to mock being a homosexual…like those sayings do.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    would not

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    diesel
    Which eastern european immigrant group are your parents a member of?
    I’m going to explain to you why this is offensive once you give me the group.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nflem41 Nicolas Fleming

    Allen,
    I’m saying in a point of a choice. I see the gratification, but only if it is an actual gratification.
    That’s why I don’t think it is a choice.
    If that is really what satisfies you, then that is what it does and nobody can fault you for that. But if a person could just choose their sexual preference like they choose their favorite NBA team, then I don’t think many people would choose to be gay because of the risks and the way our society abuses them.

  • izzo

    Diesel: F*aggot, used as an insult, never meant anything other than a perjorative term for gay. Yes, it became more and more commonly used to mean lame in the playground vernacular, but that originated from it meaning gay.

    Basically F*g=Gay,Gay=wrong, lame=gay, f*g=lame.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    Choosing to be gay is basically choosing not to have biological children, thus not passing on genes, thus not following the “path of life” – which is why its so wrong in so many peoples eyes, because it directly contradicts the purpose people see in life.

  • http://www.slamonline.com House

    Well the word Kobe used ‘used’ be what people in medieval times called a torch, i.e., bit of wood with flame on the end, just saying!

  • http://www.slamonline.com House

    *used to be

  • http://slamonline Brion

    Cantrell, im guessing your “neck of the woods” is some backwards ass hickville filled with hate spewing rednecks.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    @Allen – Serbian

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    You should do a Venn diagram next Izzo.

  • http://slamonline Brion

    You remind me of the guy who shot Kevin Spacey at the end of the movie Amercian Beauty.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Diesel
    That’s a tough one. Lol.
    Ok. If someone told your mother she was acting like an effing “Siptar” would it really matter that some people think there is nothing wrong with that word?
    Or if, somebody says you are acting like “b*tch” does the fact that they are talking to man make the word any less offensive to women?

  • Telus Operator

    If there is no design, the law is a construct of man. That means homosexuality isn’t morally wrong, because there is no subjective moral standard to compare one behaviour to over another. But that also means that murder is also not ‘wrong’. The dead person would have died anyway. Everything will be gone someday. There are no consequences, ultimately.

    BUT if there is a design, then physiology is a better indicator of design than behaviour. Gay people say their urges are natural and built-in. People have urges to murder, too.

    Me and my wife can make a baby, raise it, and provide for it without a third party’s involvement. That’s natural marriage. If society has to step in, then its a societal marriage. I say give gay people the right to call themselves married, but it won’t be a marriage like mine.

  • Telus Operator

    And if you disagree with me, you’re a racist! ;)

  • Red Star

    Slam…..some of these comments have no business being here. I hope you review them and take appropriate action. Lakers 4 Life!!!

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics lightsout

    bad move by Kobe. i know someone’s going to say that he wasn’t really talking about homosexuals, he was using the word to mean asshole, or moron or something, but that’s exactly the problem. its bad enough to use the word as a derogatory term for a homosexual person, but to use it as a general insult that has nothing to do with anyone being gay says a lot about what this country thinks about homosexuality. you never heard anyone insult someone by saying “f–kin’ straight person,” did you?

  • Telus Operator

    And CCantrell doesn’t represent my worldview AT ALL, for the record. I’m not a redneck, I’m not racist or homophobic either. I think everyone is equally morally depraved. I am not a judge of anyone’s character. I would never say a gay person isn’t loved by God or a bad person because of their choice. But I also feel that being gay is contrary to the will of God. I could be wrong, and I’m open to hear criticism that’s respectful and makes sense, but I doubt it. I believe that a person with full discernment of their moral choices would not choose homosexuality. That doesn’t me any better though.

  • Telus Operator

    @RED STAR: Wow. Scary times. The Thought Police are watching. If anyone makes a comment that doesn’t fit into the SNL/CNN/NPR/MSNBC/OBAMA liberal worldview, they shouldn’t be allowed to speak. And Eurasia has always been at war with East Asia.

  • http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-bulls-talk/2011 Diesel

    First – I’m impressed that you knew that word Allen. But I think that’s a bad comparison.
    The b*tch comparison is much more accurate. If you call me a b*tch or I call you a b*tch, we both know what we’re trying to say. Neither one of us is trying to put women down. And maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think most women would be offended by you and me calling each other that either.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics letsmotor

    @Telus: what makes you so sure homosexuality is a choice? why would someone choose to make things harder for themselves? why would someone choose to make themselves the victim of hate and discrimination?

  • http://slamonline.com Rocksinmypants

    This like every other posting on here about lebron or kobe is just going off track. Do others say stuff like this all the time? yeah. is it right? no. just move the hell on, and enjoy the playoffs

  • irondan21

    So what’s the problem? Now bigger fan of kb24

  • Gammack

    CCantrell
    I get it. I mean elderly people having sex disgusts me, so on my days off I go to nursing homes and start throwing punches. F’ing these baby boomers up. I realize that they can’t help aging, but thats no excuse. I also realize that what they do in their bedroom in no way affects me, nor do I have to see it; however, sometimes I like to sit and think about it just long enough that I want to become physically violent about it.

  • tomtom

    Well said gammack.

  • Gammack

    Telus,
    While there is not alot of evidence there is some. There is over 450 species documented to show signs of homosexuality. Also, it seems to be moderately heritable, particularly in men. The best scientific explanation I can give you is one that involves the hypothalamus. People that are homosexual that are exposed to a scent derived from that of the same sex (testosterone, estrogen) registered the olfaction of the smell , but their hypothalamus did not (the hypothalamus is your sexual arousal and response system). Sorry for the long post.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    he got fined 100K – now that’s ridiculous. What he said was bad, but give me a break. he gets docked 3+ years of the average american salary for saying one word while he was angry. I mean the dude was wrong, but GTFOH with that fine.

  • Gammack

    Also, that comes via a university textbook, not wikipedia.

  • http://www.triplejunearthed.com/dacre Dacre

    In ye olde English, a “f@ggot” is a bundled collection of dry sticks used for firewood. I think KB was really referencing that the refereeing during that stretch of play was dry, nonresponsive and only fit for burning….
    … Look how worldly, well read and confident that man is.

  • DNz15′s

    I honestly don’t think what he said was THAT bad though. I’ve heard worst things on the court before. It was in the heat of the moment. He was pissed. What can you do?

    I mean, can’t we say the same thing about the word “b**ch” and “wh*re” (i didnt wanna get flag so i used asterisks.. haha

    Those are derogatory terms towards females. Does that mean we are going to fine them for saying that too?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Telus i liked your post
    Diesel my female best friend hates most uses of that word. I think many women do not like and many don’t care. That means it is.still offensive to a lot of people.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Piggybacking (no homo – ha) on Gammack’s comments, there are indeed “g@y” animals, animals that can actually switch gender, and animals that reproduce asexually. Sexual identity is a human construct. Cultural and religious standards make us think this stuff is so much more than it is.

  • Pharaoh

    So how come “Kobe tell me how my ass taste” wasn’t seen as a shot at gays?

  • Telus Operator

    To those who replied to me: There’s no way an exchange of ideas between us would ever be resolved. I am speaking from the worldview that we are all equally evil, and spitting on the sidewalk, or being in a bad mood separates us from God, just like homosexuality. Those things are symptoms of an inherently sinful condition that good or bad actions have nothing to do with. Gay people can be gay and it doesn’t bother me personally at all. Just don’t demand that I pretend that I don’t hear God telling me that homosexuality is man’s idea rather than His. And @GAMMACK: You didn’t read what I wrote about the moral equivalency of urges versus design.

  • Telus Operator

    Basically, two dudes can’t make a baby without society, or mankind, stepping in to make it possible. A man and a woman will create new life so easily that it happens by accident all the time. If the creation of new life is a benchmark for a sexuality’s value, then homosexuality is pretty inadequate, isn’t it?

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Inadequate is a tough word. I see where you are coming from and agree about sin. I would also note that most folks acknowledge that the primar drive among animals is to reproduce and animals that behave contrary to that drive are acting in an abnormal manner.
    Now homosexuals argue that their urges may be a natural population control but I haven’t seen any real proof on that since lack of resources will always control population.
    The point is THIS IS LARGELY IMMATERIAL!
    Respect and kindness are mandates if all major religions. Using slurs is disrespectful and cruel, period. It is wrong to use them towards someone or as general conversation placeholders.
    Just make the effort to stop. Try harder. Stop making excuses so you can remain comfortable. It really come down to that.

  • http://juanm.garcia@comcast.net TruthTeller

    For a country that claims to have freedom of speech there are a lot of you here who sound like real phaggots*

  • http://slamonline.com AllBall

    I wondered why TPU was so quiet, then I stumbled across this. Is it wrong of me to want my son to be heterosexual? If I knew how people became gay, I would make sure I did not do that particular thing with my son. Is this wrong? If my son was gay, it would take me a long time to get over it, is that wrong? I am of the opinion that homo sexuality is unnatural.

  • http://juanm.garcia@comcast.net TruthTeller

    Man up!

  • ClydeSays

    Maybe some good came of this. Kobe’s comment brings all the bigots to light.

  • Fat Lever

    C_cantrell, would you feel that same way if, hypothetically, your son(imaginary in this sense) told you he was gay? I’d be interested to see if you’d still “… think every f@g should be hung up in a tree, as there should be absolutely no room in this world for f@gs n if it was up to me, they would all be done away with nazi stlye” Better yet, if someone else felt that way and actually did that to your son, what would your reaction be? I find it hilarious that people judge other people on what they do behind closed doors more than on the actual merit of who they are.

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    In my personal experience there are two of the people I “grew up with” that turned out homsexual. Both are men, both were not surrounded by male or even masculine infliuences (one danced, competitively, as the only guy at his whole academy or whatever it’s called, the other was the prsuct of a single parent home (father) who worked constantly, always had women “high-maintenance” women babysitting, he also had weird rules like the kid never had his hair cut till he was 8, so both grew up “different” then every other guy I grew up with/around. And all of them are heater sexual, ao from my personal experience it depends entirely on the situation you grew up in. (also nobody, in either of their extended families turned out homosexual just them)

  • http://Slamonline.com Nbk

    Hetero*, so* sorry this is from the phone

  • http://juanm.garcia@comcast.net TruthTeller

    “You must not have sexual relations with a man as you would a woman. That is a hateful sin.Leviticus 18:22

  • http://twitter.com/smileyoufckers Bryan

    Tough.

  • vtrobot

    Thanks to Fat, Izzo, Ryan, Allen, and the others posting who have a brain and basic respect for others living on this planet. I do LOVE free speech and like the point that Diesel makes too tho. Words have as much power as we give them. Peace and good night.

  • RobbieJay

    That picture is priceless

  • Fat Lever

    Another thing I find hilarious is people who say being homosexual is a choice. Yea, because every kid wants to grow up tortured, ostracized, and treated generally as a plague on society. And nbk, I understand that is your personal experience, but there are more than 2 homosexuals in the world.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Freedom to speech does not apply to your job or regular life. It only applies to.the governments ability to restrict your comments. That is it.
    learn your rights before you complain

  • Jackie Moon

    Amazing no one has brought up that Michael Jordan called Kwame Brown a flaming f@ggot repeatedly. There’s Kobe again, just ripping off MJ!

  • http://twitter.com/BeezKneezy LA Huey

    @nbk, when doling out fines, income should be taken into consideration. A $100k fine hurts Kobe about as bad as a $10k fine hurts Joel Anthony. That being said, Stern’s judgement was a statement fine.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Homosexuality is not a new phenomenon at all. The ancient Greeks practiced homosexuality out in the open–not only homosexuality, but pederasty too (man and child… that I won’t argue is a little disturbing, especially for our times). And yet, we living in the West consider the Ancient Greeks one of the greatest civilizations in human history.
    Homosexuals have existed in this world for a long, long @ss time. Some of the greatest thinkers, artists, and people of this planet–especially in the United States–were gay. None of this should be new to you.

  • Tony

    I don’t think Kobe meant it offensively towards the LGBT community. However, when preachers say that “homosexuals are going to hell” or when people say gay people should not be married, they don’t mean it offensively – they just want to help??? Did his comment offend some, yes. Did his comment help any, no. Should he be fined $100,000…I don’t think so…and I am Gay!
    My concern is “what will the commission do with the $100,000 collected from Kobe”? Will they donate it to the LGBT community – the one they are so “supportive” about???

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ c_cantrell: Wow your comment was both disturbing and incredibly stupid. Nazi-style? Sounds like you’ve got a lot more in common with the Nazis than you’d care to admit–and that disturbs me. Do yourself a favor and seek some help.

  • JJ

    He clearly said Funny Frappe’

    He was lamenting his poor choice in pre-game drink.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    And just to clarify: pederasty and homosexuality are far from the same thing.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    Don’t agree with the comment or fine.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    A little disturbing teddy? They had entire complexes dedicated to pedophelia. They were called gymnasiums. Yep that is where that word comes from.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    ^ Okay, little is too little of a word.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    We should not be surprised at certain comments regarding this post, either. Some people come up here and exact derogatory and hateful comments predominantly AND frequently on many posts.
    We shall not judge them. We shall educate them.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ TruthTeller: You sir, are a f*cking idiot. If you’re going to quote the bible like it’s rule of law on homosexuality, why not mention the passages that condone slavery and make it perfectly okay. Or the passages that preach the subservience of women, or the slaughter of people in foreign countries? Would you like me to quote some passages for you too?
    Unless you also h@te women and think slavery is perfectly okay, it’s probably the smart thing to STFU.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I’m not trying to disrespect anyone’s religion, but we all know the Bible has a lot of outdated and controversial verses (especially Old Testament)–and it is far from a “perfect” book, despite all of its virtues.
    Is the Bible a great book? Of course.
    But wow does it p!ss me off when people use a book they consider holy to preach h@te. I mean, are you serious?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I’m not trying to disrespect anyone’s religion, but we all know the Bible has a lot of outdated and controversial verses (especially Old Testament)–and it is far from a “perfect” book, despite all of its virtues.
    Is the Bible a great book? Of course. Is Christianity a beautiful religion? Of course it is. (Minus the fundamentalist and prejudiced fanatics present in almost every religion, including Christianity–who use their religion as an excuse for committing sins of their own).
    But wow does it p!ss me off when people use a book they consider holy to preach h@te. I mean, are you serious?

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Who cares about educating about this topic, This topic is old and Stern had no choice but to get Kobe, Kobe said what alot of ballers call each other. I used this word in school to other kids and so did some of yall. If the word hurts you, look at the man in the mirror. Its just a word, Also saying NI***A and BI**H is more offensive words to me that saying what Kobe said. But America is so bent of making everyone feel good about themself even though I do not care about this group of folks, so I like this. Because I know Kobe is getting mad that this has blow up like this leading on ESPN after the witch hunt on Barry Bonds. America is jacked up and this is extra motivation for Kobe to get a ring and not say nothing to fake Stern in the end. I understand, Stern knows Money flows from everyone, so make people feel he stood up to Kobe, but in the end its about the MONEY!!! BOOK IT!!

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Teddy-the-Bear @9:30pm:
    Shout out to Alexander the Great. (who is in the Bible)
    As for the Bible…

  • blakos

    @Telus “Just don’t demand that I pretend that I don’t hear God telling me that homosexuality is man’s idea rather than His”.

    Touche, considering most people in my country consider the idea of ‘God’ or a supernatural power an idea of man. I.E. it is a cultural construct.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @The Seed:
    You do not “care about these group of folks”?
    How becoming.
    You, who has frequently described AND expressed your passion and knowledge of the Written Word?
    You, who have an apparent belief in the Word?
    Then according to the Word, you are not living in the ways of the Word, for we shall love one another as we love ourselves, no?
    Why do you not care for “these group of folks”, my good brother? If you love thy brethren, according to the Law of God, then you care about them too, right?

  • blakos

    @Telus: If there is no design, the law is a construct of man. That means homosexuality isn’t morally wrong, because there is no subjective moral standard to compare one behaviour to over another. But that also means that murder is also not ‘wrong’. The dead person would have died anyway. Everything will be gone someday. There are no consequences, ultimately. BUT if there is a design, then physiology is a better indicator of design than behaviour. Gay people say their urges are natural and built-in. People have urges to murder, too. Me and my wife can make a baby, raise it, and provide for it without a third party’s involvement. That’s natural marriage.
    Again all ideas of morality are culturally learned, as in learnt through contact with ones society, family etc. Therefore the idea or homosexuality as immoral or against nature is not preordained by a supernatural power, it is an idea implemented by previous historical societies.

  • blakos

    Co-Sign Teddy the Bear:

  • http://pickandroll.tumblr.com airs

    damn, sorry i missed this discussion

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Teddy
    The bible is about context. Pulling scriptures from the old testament is and business when talking about the book as a whole.
    But I understand your frustration at certain comments particularly since these bible thumpers who have appeared appparently are steeped in hypocrisy.

    But I am a christian. A traditional christian and I hate when non believers twist the bible to combat bigotry from so called christians.
    People who say hateful things about a sin that is no worse than any other sin. They are not important. If you disagree with the book disagree but get stuff right.

  • http://www.facebook.com 9steele9

    well, now we know why adam morrison got no playing time…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    ^ Valid point, Allen. Like I said, I don’t mean to disrespect Christians or the Bible, but like you I h@te it when people twist the bible to justify bigotry. That’s all.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    A bad business, sorry.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    There are many people in the world who are self proclaimed “believers” who frequently stray from the literal message of the Word, consciously and subconsciously.
    Self righteousness.
    Would anyone agree?

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Philosopher:
    I do not care about these group of people, unless they are trying to get healed of this sin. God burned a whole city because of fornication and homosexual activity, by fire and Lots wife turned to salt, because she decided to turn around and look at the city burning. If God states in the bible he wants me to hate sin. Then I do hate sin. This applies to my whole life too in what I do, because actions speak louder than words, I stay away from anything that can lead me in the wrong direction, because you will be judged by your works on this earth. I would try to help the person change their ways, but if they didn’t I don’t care for them. You don’t care for some people, stop acting like you care for everyone. I do love thy brethen, but its depends on what my brethen continues to do. Evil communication corrupts good manners, so I can’t associate with everyone and wages of sin is death, including being g*y. They might not die now or you or me because of our sin. Because all have sin and come short, but continue to be in Sin is what hurts folks like being g*Y , but HELL is real man, and stop trying to act a certain way. IF you are for G*Ys so be it. I can care less about them and PHILO, what spin you going to put on this CAT!!

  • blakos

    LOL @ The Seed. You shouldn’t be allowed to spread your seed…..

  • http://dsjkflf.com Jukai

    I love people justifying their hate by bringing up fairy tales made up by people who didn’t care too much for their current fairy tale.
    This whole thing is a mess.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    ^ The spin he’ll put on this is that you’re a buffoon for that comment. But that’s not spin. That’s truth.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Philo
    What does being believer have to do with straying?
    “All men have fallen…”
    “Your righteousness is filthy rags…”
    even a cursory readinof the bible makes it clear that men will always fail to meet the higher standard. That is the purpose of christ.
    Yet the key is acknowledging where you fall shirt, asking for forgiveness and then making an active effort to change. Those actions coupled with a sincere belief in the resurrection of Jesus is the backbone of the faith.
    And I am still in this council meeting and.have now been here for.five hours and at.work for over 12 hours.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ The Seed…

  • Riggs

    what? kobe just said chris bosh.

  • blakos

    Agreed Jukai

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    The Seed:
    So, you do not care about gay people. That is fine with me. I won’t judge you, although your apparent judging of gay people makes you seem, to me, like you are playing God. Without a doubt, I can be wrong, for man is made in His image, right? So maybe it isn’t wrong for you to play God. (you may not be playing God)
    I am aware of Sodom, etc.
    Do you pray for the people who you may not be able to help change their ways? If you do, then that may show some caring for them, no? If you do not pray for them, are you still living in the ways of the believer, who lives in the way God, the lord of hosts, instructs though the Bible?
    And, I’m not gay, if that is what you are implying. I exalt in the loins of women. I am a man.
    There is no spin.
    And, what certain way am I acting? Please tell me.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    After reading through most of these, one interesting factoid came to light:
    where the hell is Jukai?
    He loves to rumble when this issue raises it’s head every few months or so on Slamonline.

  • http://www.fiba.com Darksaber

    My bad, as soon as the comment posted, i saw that the Jukster has arrived.
    Carry on.

  • http://Philosophervision@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Allen:
    Then, if all men have fallen, does that mean that all men are non – believers?
    You have admittedly judged c_cantrell for what is considered in the eyes of some as a bad comment. Now, you being a believer, does you judging cantrell make you less of a believer because “all men have failed”?
    Did you ask for forgiveness for judging cantrell?
    Also, I respect your dedication.

  • http://www.kb24.com The Seed

    Philosopher
    I am not stating you are gay, you must have read my comment wrong. Thats not my style to call names. I stated a certain way, because me and you can go back and forth all night and debate and stick to our guns. I am not playing God, if the bible states being homosexual is a sin. God didn’t create Adam and Steve, he made Adam and Eve. I don’t care for gays, because God doesn’t either if you rightly divide the word of God. If you are ashamed of him, he will be ashamed of you. He is a jealous God and being GAY is a Sin. So if bible explains to me to hate Sin, then I will. I will pray for them, but for someone to change they must first understand what they are doing is wrong and alot of gays feel they were born this way and feel they can’t fix themself, so its hard for them to understand the jack upness of their ways. So yes I can pray, but they have to want to change and not use I was born this way as an excuse. If Satan can tempt Jesus, don’t you think he will use things to get people to feel perverted in their mind thinking they need the company of the same sex, God’s intent was for men and women to mate with each other, not Adam and Steve adopting a kid for their make believe wanna be families to make them think they are a family when all they are doing is living constantly in sin. Also I can judge based off of the bible, not my own bias or belief. I use the bible as my guide not my view point and if you read the bible, then you would understand my point that IF YOU STAND FOR NOTHING, YOU FALL FOR BEING OR LIVING AS ANYTHING, like being GAY. BOOK IT!!

  • http://philosopher.view@blogspot.com The Philosopher

    @Allenp:
    Basically what I’m saying is, if one is a true believer, then they will not stray. Period. For, a true believer trembles at the idea of God, and all His ways. They are in constant fear of God, as I’m sure you know.
    Now that being said, one can argue that no one is a true believer, based purely on the context of our exchange.
    One can argue otherwise, as well.
    Great discussion.
    @The Seed:
    You have called me names in the past…
    And, where did God say He doesn’t care about gay people? For, even gay people, as you vaguely pointed out, can repent, and thus be saved, right? According to the Word.
    Now, for being born gay.
    If one is born into sin, and homosexuality is a sin, then shall we still love each other, as the God of Israel says? Or shall we continue to practice in self – righteousness, and self wisdom, and judge those who are not what we tend to perceive as seen in a favorable light in the eyes of God or us, the mere gentiles?

  • http://nba.com EJ

    If God hates homosexuality, why the hell did he create it? His all-powerful, right? GTFO with those religious arguments, it’s worse than trolling.

  • http://nba.com EJ

    …And sexuality is proven to be biological, you’re born with it. Some people just reject it, cause they think it’s evil.

  • Ali

    Man it’s a word, he said it, he got fined, he said he was sorry. Let it go… We have heard much worse come out of peoples mouths. We all know Kobe ain’t no angel so for all of you who think he is, check youselves! He’s a man, just like majority of us who like SLAM ONLINE. Let it go, and lets start the playoffs baby!

  • http://nba.com EJ

    Another thing that’s funny is that, most people in here are always complaining about racism, and how stupid it is. Rightly so. But yet they still hate on homosexuals in here. Don’t you realize it’s the same thing?
    If you hate gay people, you’re not really any better than KKK. If you think homosexuality is a sin, then you’re just like mormons who think dark skin is a curse, and black people can’t get in to heaven, unless they’re slaves in there. Talk about hypocrisy.

  • http://www.zpringbank.eu Jelte

    I love Kobe as a player but here he proves again that professional athletes are not the most intelligent breed on this planet

  • tonyknorr

    @ seed and c_cantrell please let me know where you live so if I can somehow come up with a way to get there I can educate you with my fists. Logic does not seem to work for you two so perhaps somebody should educate you the same way the george bush administration educates terrorists. Since I can already guarantee you are both Bush fans you should understand what I mean by that. Seed I seriously feel bad for you. It is clear that you are too ignorant and brainwashed to understand how unhealthy your literal and overzealous religious beliefs are.

  • http://nba.com EJ

    I don’t know how calling somebody a fing f4ggot makes you less intelligent. Everybody does that, and f4ggot is just a slur nowadays, it doesn’t refer to homosexuals. Watch South Park.

  • tonyknorr

    ‘Educate you with my fists’ Probably not the best phrasing given the argument in question, makes you sound like a fking f……oh, never mind. lol that being said, i agree with your point.

  • http://Slamonline.com Sergio

    Kobe should get fined. But so does TNT for not using the 7 second delay that they have. IMO that’s what’s more interesting. Why did TNT show that?!?!?

  • Josh

    Agree with Sergio, why the hell are the cameras following a guy so closely when he just got a technical foul and is clearly frustrated? It is their own damn fault.

  • MikeC.

    Looks like I’m late to the party. Kobe has a contract with morality clauses in it. His language can be construed as being immoral, which justifies Stern’s strong reaction. When NBA players are fined, the money goes to charitable organizations. I’m going out on a limb here and guessing that Kobe’s docked $100K will be donated to a gay & lesbian support group.
    @cantrell – just…wow. I feel sorry for people that are required to associate with you.
    @ those using the bible to justify anything: the bible (I’m purposely using lower-case) is nothing more than a book. The bible is a collection of words on paper. Those words were written by people. People with biases and agendas. The bible could be viewed as the greatest work of fiction ever written by a collaborative group for consumption by the masses. Here’s your literary opium, enjoy the Word.

  • Rc

    I think Kobe is a great player with no humility or class. His attitude is entitled and attrocious. When the lakers lose he never accepts defeat with class; sulks in the locker room, makes excuses, is a smart@ss about other players and teams, and thinks his fouls should never count. He gets away with murder when it comes to techs n fouls. Dwight gets harassed by stern and refs but stern would never let his ratings horse Kobe reach 16 and get suspended. If u r going to fine him, that’s crap. His tech should stand and another should b issued for his temper tantrum and mouth. He is not homophobic but he is a poor sport. Reggie miller is a hypocrite for chuckling it off. How many tines did Reggie call Kobe out when he played for getting away with fouls and dirty play. Reggie said as a pacer ” Kobe definitely has issues with his game”. Now he throws a temper tantrum and Reggie chuckles. Whatever. Lame. Charles Barkley would call Kobe out. Reggie is a hypocrite like artest and matt barnes who had issues with Kobe than turn around and play with him. At least raja bell had integrity not to play with Kobe after all the stuff he went through with him.geez . If you crazy bandwagon lakers fans wanna get on his jock and say refs baby him, you are hallucinating. You tube all the fouls and antics Kobe got away with. Ron arrest, closelining raja bell, matt barnes, Reggie miller… You tube it. He is given a pass by sterns black and white wearing goons.

  • Rc

    @the seed, c_Cantrell, and all you ignorant evangelical religious fanatics out there using the bible to judge others and as a justification of hating another human being or thinking you are better than them; you are not a real Christian and you should stop speaking trash.

    My stepmother is a pastor, my dad was ordained. They do not interpret Christianity saying anybody is lesser, lower or worthy of hate because they are gay. Whether you agree or not, your duty as a Christian is to love and respect others.

    ” do untO other as you would do to yourself”
    Except gay people right, because they are subhuman….

    Here is sone excerpts from the bible that clearly express your behavior as wrong

    “Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy:
    who art thou that judgest another?”
    James 4:11-12 (KJV)

    “Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy:
    who art thou that judgest another?”
    James 4:11-12 (KJV)

    So you wanna argue against that??

    The bible is not a direct testament of every word of god verbatim. It was written by man, interpreted by man, and rewritten many times. It contains cultural opinions of that ancient time. Homophobia is not a part of Christianity. You do not deserve to call yourself a Christian if u behave this way.

  • blakos

    Co-sign Mike C. Definately

  • http://www.slamonline.com Mars

    media propaganda BS. Who cares what some book says, if you use tools other than your own common sense to judge others, you are the problem, not Kobe Bryant, or Tim Hardaway, or that dude from Grey’s Anatomy. People are their own cancer. Hate is self-generated, and single purposed for one thing, FEAR.

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