Thursday, August 16th, 2012 at 11:54 am  |  185 responses

Yao Ming Filming Anti-Poaching Documentary in Kenya (VIDEO)

The big man helps raise awareness.

Retired NBA center Yao Ming has traveled to Kenya to film a documentary, titled “The End of the Wild”. The documentary highlights and raises awareness to the near-extinct populations of rhinos and elephants in the country due to poaching. More details from this fascinating story, via CapitalFM.Co: “Yao’s first ever visit to Kenya is a meaningful one, as it will enlist his support in taking the anti-poaching message to his Chinese homeland, where Ivory is a prized commodity. Yao arrived in Kenya on Friday, August 10, and has so far visited Ol Pejeta in addition to having talks with scientists and conservationists, including Daphne Sheldrick of The David Sheldrick Wildlife Trust, who are actively involved in protecting the endangered species. China is the world’s most prominent destination for rhino horn and ivory, with projections suggesting there will be an added 250 million middle class consumers over the next 10-15 years—making this campaign all the more crucial to preserve wildlife. It is not Yao’s first attempt to protect elephants. Increasing populations of rhino and elephant between 1989 and 2007 have started dwindling dramatically due to an escalation of poaching activities. Yao’s feature-length documentary hopes to underscore the beauty and economic importance of wildlife tourism, and highlight the extant of the poaching crisis.”

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  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Post Sino-Soviet split, we find more and more of this, and yes, as a supporter of China, a lot of their positions were abhorrent. In the policy of compromising and easing relations with the West, China–which was once invaluable to the liberation of other former colonies in Asia/Latin America/Africa–started to side with imperialism, for example, supporting the Mujahideen in Afghanistan and aiding UNITA in Angola, both of which were backward and reactionary, pro-imperialist elements.
    Does that mean China is on equal footing with the United States, which ALWAYS takes backward and reactionary stances that kill the most people, with NO EXCEPTIONS aside from MAYBE World War II?
    And man, you gave yourself away completely with that tripe about Native Americans. You’re willing to COMPLETELY rationalize and whitewash the depopulation of 98% of the Americas due to colonial-settler expansion, as being a benign “accident,” yet the Great Leap Forward in China which you admit was a failure of government policy–but NOT an intentional or foreseen event–is comparable to actual mass murder in the 20th Century.
    Man… I don’t even know what to say to that. That is pretty disgusting logic and a textbook example of white supremacy.

  • J-MaC

    Allenp
    People (Me;-) don’t say it is more important, you need to have a bit of every experience (Documentations and Travels) to be able to talk legitimately.. You can’t solely talk about a culture or country just by going on wiki or seeing a couple of news on TV. A lot of media outlets lie, hide the truth or simply don’t cover some events. Traveling to relax and have fun is not the same as wanting to experience a culture and/or country. How many people travel with “Gated Tours” and don’t get a chance to actually experience the place they are visiting? The problem is right there, if your travel is just about sightseeing, having fun and getting drunk in an expatriated gated community.

  • http://slamonline.com Allenp

    Teddy
    I think you equate pointing out Chinese and Soviet excesses with justifying American evil. And I don’t know about James, but I have a firm grasp on the scope of white supremacy in the world.
    Basically, in some cases it’s important to note who is “worse” and too often Americans tend to be ignorant about what this country has truly done in the name of democracy and capitalism. (Funny how those two are never discussed independently by Americans.)
    However, while noting this history, it’s not cool to pretend that communism doesn’t have it’s own enormous atrocities to answer for, and address how they are not part of the same mindset exhibited by the West.
    From my vantage point, both system, communism and capitalism, are flawed for different reasons, and human beings inevitable force those flaws to the forefront based on our nature. There is no political system that will be free of imperialistic tendencies because the vast majority of humans embrace imperialism. They just prefer to be the imperials.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    And there we go again, comparing China-Tibet to Western colonialism/Zionism. First of all, there’s a world of difference between A) two peoples interacting and intermingling as regional neighbors, as happened in all continents prior to the Age of Imperialism including Europe, and B) a people crossing the Atlantic effing Ocean to wipe out 98% of an entire population, and then continue this colonial dominance all across other foreign continents in all corners of the globe, in an attempt to extract wealth and resources to be used by one color of people, all while creating a literal human slave trafficking INDUSTRY supported by all governments.
    One was a natural course of history in which all people participated; the other is white colonial settlement and capitalism.
    It’s very clear and to most non-white people, who make up 88% of the world’s population (more if you count the Slavic nations who were the first European colonial victims), this doesn’t need explaining.
    So let’s talk about Tibet. Regardless of whether or not Tibet deserves independence today, the reality is that Tibet and China were ruled by the same empire since the Yuan dynasty, roughly the years 1200-1300 This is nearly five hundred years before the United States existed–HALF a millennium. During the Yuan dynasty by the way, the ethnic Han majority was not in power–the Mongolians were.
    So why do white Westerners chant “Free Tibet” but not “Free the Cherokee, free the Cree, free everything single First Nations and Inuit nation we continue to occupy today”?
    Second, you really need to revisit what the conditions were like in Tibet prior to the Communist revolution. The Dalai Lama had no problems with the Kuomintang Nationalist government. The only reason he fled China was because the Communists overthrew his theocratic, feudal slave state. I URGE you to read “Friendly Feudalism – The Tibet Myth” by Michael Parenti, it’s an article that you can google right away.

  • pposse

    china may do things wrong, but they are doing a lot of things right too. Currently they have the highest GDP, and that will only continue to rise. In fact, the worlds GDP is and will continue to be diminishing in America and rising in countries like Brazil, China, India. For all people that are completely against China, you may want to rethink this as a lot of scholars will encourage your children down the line (year 2025 and beyond) to go overseas to study in places like i mentioned above; the same way most students from other countries are told to come here to study now and in the past.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Here’s an excerpt that I think can answer your comment a bit Allen, as to the nature of Commun!st internationalism vs. Capital!st imperial!sm:
    “[in Old Tibet] The majority of the rural population were serfs. Treated little better than slaves, the serfs went without schooling or medical care, They were under a lifetime bond to work the lord’s land–or the monastery’s land–without pay, to repair the lord’s houses, transport his crops, and collect his firewood.

    The Tibetan serfs were something more than superstitious victims, blind to their own oppression. As we have seen, some ran away; others openly resisted, sometimes suffering dire consequences. In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation–including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation–were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, and runaway or resistant serfs. Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: “When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion.”21 Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then “left to God” in the freezing night to die. “The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,” concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet. 22

    In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, breaking off hands, and hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling. The exhibition presented photographs and testimonies of victims who had been blinded or crippled or suffered amputations for thievery. There was the shepherd whose master owed him a reimbursement in yuan and wheat but refused to pay. So he took one of the master’s cows; for this he had his hands severed. Another herdsman, who opposed having his wife taken from him by his lord, had his hands broken off. There were pictures of Communist activists with noses and upper lips cut off, and a woman who was raped and then had her nose sliced away.23

    Whatever wrongs and new oppressions introduced by the Chinese after 1959, they did abolish slavery and the Tibetan serfdom system of unpaid labor. They eliminated the many crushing taxes, started work projects, and greatly reduced unemployment and beggary. They established secular schools, thereby breaking the educational monopoly of the monasteries. And they constructed running water and electrical systems in Lhasa.

    By 1961, Chinese occupation authorities expropriated the landed estates owned by lords and lamas. They distributed many thousands of acres to tenant farmers and landless peasants, reorganizing them into hundreds of communes.. Herds once owned by nobility were turned over to collectives of poor shepherds. Improvements were made in the breeding of livestock, and new varieties of vegetables and new strains of wheat and barley were introduced, along with irrigation improvements, all of which reportedly led to an increase in agrarian production.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Here’s an excerpt that I think can answer your comment a bit Allen, as to the nature of Commun!st international!sm vs. Capital!st imperial!sm:
    “[in Old Tibet] The majority of the rural population were serfs. Treated little better than slaves, the serfs went without schooling or medical care, They were under a lifetime bond to work the lord’s land–or the monastery’s land–without pay, to repair the lord’s houses, transport his crops, and collect his firewood.
    …………………….
    The Tibetan serfs were something more than superstitious victims, blind to their own oppression. As we have seen, some ran away; others openly resisted, sometimes suffering dire consequences. In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation–including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation–were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, and runaway or resistant serfs. Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddh!st: “When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion.”21 Since it was against Buddh!st teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then “left to God” in the freezing night to die. “The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,” concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet.
    …………………..
    In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, breaking off hands, and hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling. The exhibition presented photographs and testimonies of victims who had been blinded or crippled or suffered amputations for thievery. There was the shepherd whose master owed him a reimbursement in yuan and wheat but refused to pay. So he took one of the master’s cows; for this he had his hands severed. Another herdsman, who opposed having his wife taken from him by his lord, had his hands broken off. There were pictures of Communist activists with noses and upper lips cut off, and a woman who was r@ped and then had her nose sliced away.
    ………………………………
    Whatever wrongs and new oppress!ons introduced by the Chinese after 1959, they did abolish sl@very and the Tibetan serfdom system of unpaid labor. They eliminated the many crushing taxes, started work projects, and greatly reduced unemployment and beggary. They established secular schools, thereby breaking the educational monopoly of the monasteries. And they constructed running water and electrical systems in Lhasa.
    ………………………………………………….
    By 1961, Chinese occupat!on authorities expropriated the landed estates owned by lords and lamas. They distributed many thousands of acres to tenant farmers and landless peasants, reorganizing them into hundreds of communes.. Herds once owned by nobility were turned over to collectives of poor shepherds. Improvements were made in the breeding of livestock, and new varieties of vegetables and new strains of wheat and barley were introduced, along with irrigation improvements, all of which reportedly led to an increase in agrarian product!on.”

  • James Aka…

    Allen, I would say that travel is useful after reading though. If you’ve read competing narratives on something, seeing the place first hand can help you determine which one is more accurate in describing a place. This is an annecdotal thing mind you, but I found this to be true when I went to Ethiopia a couple of years ago. But travel without research can be horribly misleading.

  • James Aka…

    Z, I think you’ll find that problem is all accross liberal democracies. I have seen studies that objectively identify the general US populace of being less aware of the world than say the populaces of Europe, Canada or Japan, but I fear thats only on a relative scale. I think if people of the west had to suffer like most of the rest of the world, particularly as it relates to our direct actions militarily, economically and most importantly ecologically, there would be large changes in how we do things. That being said, I wouldn’t rule out the possibility that things wouldn’t changed. The ability to hate the other without any rational reason is a very human characteristic, and I’ve seen it happen too often every culture I’ve ever spent time studying to believe that its solely a cultural product of our own societies here.

  • James Aka…

    PPose, your comment about GDP is incorrect. China doesn’t have the fastest growing GDP in the world, although it has vastly outperformed western economies. The problem with that though is that China ceased to function according to communist/marxist economic ideology when deng xiaopeng took control in the 1970′s. Often this is said when they became “capitalist” which is a little misleading because thats not what their economic arrangement truley is. They engage in something closer to economic fascism, which has shown itself over this century to be very successful. Nazi Germany for example was able to pull itself up by its bootstraps quite quickly, allowing it to nearly take over all of western europe before being beaten back by the most advanced and productive nation of the era and it’s allies. Similarly, south korea developed in this command style economy with private firm cooperation, until the 1980′s when it underwent a democratic political revolution. Incidentally, China’s achievement has been by assuring western firms access to cheap labour markets where workers are horribly abused, producing vibrant bout insanely polluted cities full of citizens that are quite disconnected by the continuing rural poverty affecting a billion other chinese citizens. I don’t know what that means for the future, but I imagine that the rural poor will stay poor. Morever, compared to the west, China’s GDP per person is quite low, so it will be a long time before, assuming a massive global collapse in agriculture globally doesn’t doom us all, China can be compared on a one to one scale with Western Europe, Japan, South Korea or North America.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    I do appreciate this discussion though, James. Thanks for engaging.
    As for Amnesty and HRW, we don’t have to talk about their funding–we only need to look at some examples. One of the most blatant illustrations of their tendency to support imperialism (and no matter how much they criticize the US, I see this as their default position), was when this year, amidst massive anti-NATO protests in Chicago during the NATO summit, Amnesty put out a poster of an Afghan girl. The poster was about the US’ ongoing talks with the Taliban to reach some sort of settlement, and read something like: “Don’t forget to protect women’s rights. Keep up the good work, NATO!” It literally said “Keep up the good work, NATO!” even though NATO is almost solely responsible for the destruction of Afghanistan.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    LONG… LIVE… THE KING!
    My bad, my brethren. lol
    And shout out @z.
    The most informed, and the deepest individual in the history of deep and informed individuals.

  • James Aka…

    Teddy, there are no statistics in your long excerpt to Allen giving a sense of what the scale of attrocity was. That being said, it reads exactly like western justifications for incursions into other nations over the 20th century. The fact that you can’t see that is directly attibutable to the immense inequity in dealing with the absolute raw numbers of death by Mao’s China and Stalin’s Russia in relation to Western imperialism. China’s invasion in 1959 is period an invasion complete with land seisure and attroicty. It doesn’t matter if you replace a brutal and backward order with equal brutality. thats why George Bushgets no points for overthrowing Saddam Hussein, because in doing so he caused irreparable harm to the nation, its people, and the region (Syrias current Civil war Is certainly linked to receiving by far the largest share of 2 million unemployed iraqi refugees linked to the 2003 war). So the introduction of technology at the end of a gun is the same as the introduction of religion at the end of a gun or anything else at the end of a gun. Wrong. Period. As for your tendancy to resort immediately to personal insults on here when engaged in an argument, in this case a hillarious inversion of historical reality concerning the crimes of Non-Western nations, you’ll find me less than crushed at your assessment of Saint Augustine and Noam Chomsky’s quote, particularly given Chomsky’s lifetime of work and expertese in international affairs compared against your warmed over support for rewriting the historical record of crimes associated with 2 of the 3 worst monsters of the 20th century, your general tone of racism towards people in the west as white, even though we’re not all white, nor does whiteness explain our actions, and finally your baffling contention that the holocaust is only remembered because its victims are white, not because it was the largest process of civilian murder in all history.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Philo FTW.

  • James Aka…

    Nato is solely responsible for the destruction of Afghanistan?

    That statement cannot pass. The British are responsible for their invasion 100 years ago, the soviets theirs 30 years ago. Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are responsbile for the destructive brand of Islam that was introducted to fight the Soviets. Nato is responsible for the birth of a state that will look exactly like pre-taliban post soviet invasion afghanistan. Aportion blame appropriately and you look like a scholar. Aportion it without any sense of any history, as though NATO’s current actions are the beginning and end of history, and you look both ignorant and fanatical of reality. Every consequential event makes something what it is, not only the one you wish for. As for HRW, they’ are myopic in their assessment of the potential for gender equality in afghanistan, but that does not negate everything they have done or will done. Like anything in this world, you praise they good and castigate the bad. It sounds like you read only anti-imperialists make mistakes. Chomsky for years wore the mantle of buffoon for his and Edward Herman’s treatment of Cambodia in real time by sometimes using sarchastic tones and in other instances being too skeptical of US claims about the Khmer Rouge. Although this has been twisted by critics to make him look worse (as though he actually was in support of that regime as opposed to overly skeptical in the face of 2 decades of US bombing of indo-China), the point is it damaged his standing more broadly to speak. So have a little charity when criticising an organization where people spend their lifetimes researching and reporting on all others, even if they do err on the side of western power and are wrong.

    As to you more personally when you stand up and say that Stalin had no role in starving his own people, or murdering millions in his gulags, or that Mao has no agency for Chinese imperialism or that its the west fault that China is now imperialist, you damage the political chances of ever dealing with problems here and now. Stalin’s crimes are beyond dispute. He was castigated by his own successor in as strong terms as possible, and there is an avalanche of scholarly material demonstrating how terrible he was. It harms the political chances of someone like Jack Layton becoming prime minister when you open your mouth and say things that are blantantly incorrect more than it hurts someone like george bush when someone blows away dozens of movie goers due to poor gun laws.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ James: You still don’t see a difference between Tibet and the Americas? First of all, if you’d have read the article, you would know that the Chinese Communists didn’t “invade” Tibet. You also would have learned that the entire Lama system was created BY China several centuries ago, and that the first Dalai Lama was chosen BY China. And that, prior to the Communists, the Tibetan ruling class enjoyed a cozy relationship to China’s Nationalist government. You’re conflating a backward and pro-imperialist Tibetan ruling class with the masses of Tibetans who did NOT want this despot.
    You also would have known that Chinese vs. Tibetan military altercations were a DIRECT consequence of US imperialism in Asia. Like in Cuba, the CIA literally paid salaries to Tibet’s despots and funded/trained rebels–overwhelmingly from the lama ruling elite–to overthrow the Communists.
    And since when is it wrong to seize land from slave masters and redistribute it to the masses of peasants and serfs? When has Western imperialism EVER done this for colonized subjects???
    ……………………………………………….
    “What happened to Tibet after the Chinese Communists moved into the country in 1951? The treaty of that year provided for ostensible self-governance under the Dalai Lama’s rule but gave China military control and exclusive right to conduct foreign relations. The Chinese were also granted a direct role in internal administration ‘to promote social reforms.’ Among the earliest changes they wrought was to reduce usurious interest rates, and build a few hospitals and roads. At first, they moved slowly, relying mostly on persuasion in an attempt to effect reconstruction. No aristocratic or monastic property was confiscated, and feudal lords continued to reign over their hereditarily bound peasants. “Contrary to popular belief in the West,” claims one observer, the Chinese “took care to show respect for Tibetan culture and religion.”
    ……………………………………………………..
    Over the centuries the Tibetan lords and lamas had seen Chinese come and go, and had enjoyed good relations with Generalissimo Chiang Kaishek and his reactionary Kuomintang rule in China. The approval of the Kuomintang government was needed to validate the choice of the Dalai Lama and Panchen Lama. When the current 14th Dalai Lama was first installed in Lhasa, it was with an armed escort of Chinese troops and an attending Chinese minister, in accordance with centuries-old tradition. What upset the Tibetan lords and lamas in the early 1950s was that these latest Chinese were Communists. It would be only a matter of time, they feared, before the Communists started imposing their collectivist egalitarian schemes upon Tibet.”

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    MOST IMPORTANT*************
    “The issue was joined in 1956-57, when armed Tibetan bands ambushed convoys of the Chinese Peoples Liberation Army. The uprising received extensive assistance from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), including military training, support camps in Nepal, and numerous airlifts.27 Meanwhile in the United States, the American Society for a Free Asia, a CIA-financed front, energetically publicized the cause of Tibetan resistance, with the Dalai Lama’s eldest brother, Thubtan Norbu, playing an active role in that organization. The Dalai Lama’s second-eldest brother, Gyalo Thondup, established an intelligence operation with the CIA as early as 1951. He later upgraded it into a CIA-trained guerrilla unit whose recruits parachuted back into Tibet.28
    ………………………………………………………….
    Many Tibetan commandos and agents whom the CIA dropped into the country were chiefs of aristocratic clans or the sons of chiefs. Ninety percent of them were never heard from again, according to a report from the CIA itself, meaning they were most likely captured and killed. “Many lamas and lay members of the elite and much of the Tibetan army joined the uprising, but in the main the populace did not, assuring its failure,” writes Hugh Deane.30 In their book on Tibet, Ginsburg and Mathos reach a similar conclusion: “As far as can be ascertained, the great bulk of the common people of Lhasa and of the adjoining countryside failed to join in the fighting against the Chinese both when it first began and as it progressed.”31 Eventually the resistance crumbled.
    **************************************************************
    Doesn’t that sound a lot like the Bay of Pigs’ invasion? Was Cuba acting imperialistic by crushing US defectors?
    Yes China’s upholding of the Lama ruling classes prior to the Communists does sound like a miniature imperialism. Well, the West completely supported this and the US was willing to start a proxy war to maintain this relationship.
    Thus, it’s a complete reversal of the truth to say that the Communists were acting imperialistic in this instance.

  • James Aka…

    Parenti’s article is good but like anything not without criticism. It’s quite strong in deromanticising the notion of feudal tibet, though its a partical study exerpting conflicting narratives to form a whole testemonial. One thing that jumped out at me though is that the current protest of an influx of continual Han migrants obviously undermines the idea of strictly a cultural change for the benefit of tibetans. It is about economic exploitation by the centre of the smaller contemporary chinese imperialist project, and looks exactly like the US attempt to economically integrate Afghanistan while attempting to better the culture using coercion and violence. The differnce being that 10 million texans aren’t setting up shop diplacing the local population. I also find it interesting that the Dalai Lama mentions at the end of Parenti’s article that marxist philosophy is quite just even though he is allegedly the direct political decendent of a tibeten class that hated communism as Parenti puts it without adequately supporting that assertion, plausible though it may seem to me. The bottom line is this, however horrible Tibet’s politcal elite was prior to the Han invasion, the fact that the whole province is being assimilated and gentrified by ethnic Han demonstrates that it is not now about bettering the lives of tibetans, it’s about China’s interests only.

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    This is what I want to know;
    All of tyrants/rulers who are being discussed in this thread has/had people that they answer(ed) to, right? They had “bosses”, no?
    Who are they?
    Who were they?
    Oh, wait… nevermind.
    Proceed, my brethren.
    What’s going on, LakeShow?

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    All of *these* tyrants/rulers…

  • James Aka…

    It’s not the same china, as you can see from the same article. If the Kublai Khan is mongel, he is not Han, which is the current Chinese seat of power. It’s like saying the germans and italians are they same because they both sent armies over europe and exist in ajacent politcal territory. It involves the CIA, which makes it sound like the bay of pigs to you, but we can examine the difference quite keenly. In the case of Cuba, Russia didn’t send several million russians into cuba to displace the people of the island after the cuban government helped put down the old guard attempted rebellion in cuba. Also, the tibetans weren’t linked to american interests prior to their overthrown by chinese invasion. So it sounds very little like the bay of pigs except if all you see is CIA and Communism in the comparison.

  • James Aka…

    Philo, you mean they had politcal bases they relied on, political allies? Yes would be the answer. No one man, no matter how mal or well intended can achieve any large project with out supporters/follwers/enablers. To say that Stalin or hitler actually killed 20 million does restrict the docket a little, since it took a lot of killers to achieve that end.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    All in all, you’re arguing for/against human nature. From the Tibetan Buddhist monks to the Burma Buddhists, one of the most thought of peaceful religions/ideologies is even cruel & evil. What’s that say about us? We’re an evil being.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Neither Parenti nor I said anything about the Chinese being completely altruistic. My point is that comparisons to Western imperialism are completely off base. Especially when you want to compare Afghanistan to Tibet.
    First, point me to a situation where the West bettered the “culture” in Afghanistan? The problem is that you get to pick the timeline that best suits you. You never want to start at the outset of the conflict in question.
    Soviet military intervention in Afghanistan was a REACTION to US destabilization attempts on the progressive PDPA government. The US supported every single backward, reactionary component of Afghanistan, as it does EVERYWHERE it goes, so long as they’re open to US domination.
    And my problem with Western humanitarian organizations and media as a whole is that they never dare question the power structure of the world. The West is now the criminal, policeman, judge, and jury when it comes to history and current events. Is this not white supremacy?

  • http://slamonline.com The Philosopher

    James:
    Even the political bases and political allies that these leaders relied/rely on;
    Who powers these bases? Who do the supposed, “powers that be” look to?
    They have to look to an entity, or entities, no?
    One of my points being, that these people, in a many an instance, are being told what to do, no?
    If they do not do what they’re told, then, their power would cease. In many cases, their lives would cease, no?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    And since you keep bringing up Afghanistan, why don’t we look at the period surrounding Soviet influence? Most of the whitewashing of US imperialism has to do with the lie that NATO is there to build schools for little girls. I call it “Femin!st Imperial!sm.” So to dispel this myth as well, here’s a brief history of women in Afghanistan, that I painstakingly wrote out a few months ago for other ppl (note: I use NATO synonymously with “US” and the “West”, which might be confusing at first):
    BEFORE NATO’s TAKEOVER:
    - Under the Marx!st PDPA government, which the US overthrew (more on that later), Afghan women were already being liberated. Women were guaranteed equal rights by law, had free healthcare, participated in mass literacy campaigns and were an integral part of the workforce. The PDPA built schools, kindergartens, and nurseries which greatly aided this process.
    - Prior to the PDPA, 98% of women were illiterate. By contrast, during the 1980s, under the PDPA, women comprised 40% of all doctors and 70% of all teachers in the nation. In Kabul University, 60% of the instructors and 65% of all students were female. And family courts–some with female judges–replaced the old Sharia courts ran by mullahs.
    - The number of working women increased 50-fold. By 1987, there were an estimated 245,000 women working in fields ranging from construction, printing and food processing to radio and TV journal!sm, with teaching being especially popular.
    ……………………………………………
    IN COMES NATO:
    - In 1979, just one year after the Afghan socialist revolution, the CIA begins funding and training the Mujahideen or “holy warriors” to overthrow the Afghan government. Later found among these rebels are Salafi-Sunni extrem!sts from Saudi Arabia–who we now call Al Qaeda–including a young Os@ma B!n L@den.
    - The excuse today, another lie, is that the US was helping Afghan “freedom fighters” fend off a Soviet invas!on. In reality, the US began funneling arms to insurgents six months before the Soviets even set foot in Afghanistan. And “invas!on” itself is a misnomer because the Afghan government REQUESTED that the Soviets assist them against the US-backed insurg3ncy.
    - To make a long story short, the Soviets withdraw in 1989 thanks to Gorbachev, leaving the PDPA out to dry. The so-called “Mujah!ideen” succeed in overthrowing the Afghan government by 1992 and proceed to fight amongst themselves. This sparks a civil war between warlords until the Taliban take power in 1996 with America’s blessing. Without US support for the insurgency, the Taliban would NOT exist.
    - Every single achievement made by women is erased during this period. Women are “neither seen nor heard” and have every right stripped. They are forbidden to work or attend school.
    - The US continues supporting the Taliban and negotiates a deal with them to build the Trans-Afghanistan (Unocal) oil-and-gas pipeline. However, at this point Osama Bin Laden turns on his white masters and bombs several American embassies in East Africa. The Taliban leader voices his support to Osama Bin Laden, and the pipeline talks are halted. Only then does the US stop supporting them. This has absolutely nothing to do with women.
    - September 11, 2001: The World Tr@de Centers are attacked, supposedly by Osama B!n Laden and Al Q@eda.
    - The US, Britain, Canada and a slew of other NATO countries invade Afghanistan, overthrow the Taliban, and occupy it militarily for over ten years to today. Their puppet president is Hamid Karzai and their allies the Northern Alliance, the same pack of warlords from 1992-1996 who’ve k!lled over 50,000 people.
    …………………………………………………….
    2001 to TODAY:
    - Afghanistan is in ruins. NATO troops have k!lled almost 30,000 people. The Northern Alliance, their new ally, has conducted mass r@pes across the country.
    - The overall literacy rate for women is 12%. Only about 30% of girls are even in school. In 2009 the education ministry reported that about 500 schools, most of them for girls, were destroyed or forced to close (a lot of this due to the Tal!ban). Between March and October 2010, at least 126 schoolteachers and students were murd3red.
    - Official Afghan statistics report that 2300 women (an underestimation) commit suic!de each year–that’s six per day. The average life expectancy for women is 44 years, a whopping 24 years below world average. Again, thanks to Western imperialism.
    - In 2004, the Afghan constitution drafted with US overseers ends up protecting Sharia Law. In 2006, Karzai’s cabinet reestablishes the Department for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, which was notorious under the Taliban for its brutal imposit!on of Sharia, including stoning to death of women.
    - In March 2012, NATO-puppet president Hamid Karzai releases and endorses a non-binding edict issued by the Ulema council (Afghanistan’s highest Islamic authority), which literally states:
    “Men are fundamental and women are secondary,” adding women should avoid “mingling with strange men in various social activities such as education, in bazaars, in offices and other aspects of life.”
    …………………………………………….
    Do you still want to compare this kind of devastation of Afghanistan by the West to China’s overthrow of Lama rule in Tibet? I don’t oppose the West and support the East just on ideological grounds, but because I see the ACTUAL material effects that each have on the world as a whole. Contrary to popular opinion in the West, there IS a hierarchy of evil which has EVERYTHING to do with who has power and wealth in this world.

  • James Aka…

    The soviets showed their concern for the civilian population by literally murdering 1.7 million of them, so that’s laughable on its face. It doesn’t matter if they have political constiuency amongst a minority there if they then proceed to murder swaths of civilians, run over people in tanks, and commit a decade of war crimes, any more than it did for americans in vietnam. If you show up in a country to help the people, and then gun them down by the hundreds of thousads when some of them rebel, thats it, you’re an imperialist.

    Again it’s not being white that has anything to do with it, thats both your racism talking as well as being factually incorrect. Oboma’s blackness, didn’t change US policy. Imperialism is the set of conditions and policies which your attacking. Whiteness is my skin colour not my political outlook.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    And since you keep bringing up Afghanistan, why don’t we look at the period surrounding Soviet influence? Most of the whitewashing of US imperialism has to do with the lie that NATO is there to build schools for little girls. I call it “Femin!st Imperial!sm.” So to dispel this myth as well, here’s a brief history of women in Afghanistan, that I painstakingly wrote out a few months ago for other ppl (note: I use NATO synonymously with “US” and the “West”, which might be confusing at first):
    BEFORE NATO’s TAKEOVER:
    - Under the Marx!st PDPA government, which the US overthrew (more on that later), Afghan women were already being liberated. Women were guaranteed equal rights by law, had free healthcare, participated in mass literacy campaigns and were an integral part of the workforce. The PDPA built schools, kindergartens, and nurseries which greatly aided this process.
    - Prior to the PDPA, 98% of women were illiterate. By contrast, during the 1980s, under the PDPA, women comprised 40% of all doctors and 70% of all teachers in the nation. In Kabul University, 60% of the instructors and 65% of all students were female. And family courts–some with female judges–replaced the old Shar!a courts ran by mullahs.
    - The number of working women increased 50-fold. By 1987, there were an estimated 245,000 women working in fields ranging from construction, printing and food processing to radio and TV journal!sm, with teaching being especially popular.
    ……………………………………………
    IN COMES NATO:
    - In 1979, just one year after the Afghan social!st revolution, the CIA begins funding and training the Mujah!deen or “holy warriors” to overthrow the Afghan government. Later found among these rebels are Salafi-Sunni extrem!sts from Saudi Arabia–who we now call Al Qaeda–including a young Os@ma B!n L@den.
    - The excuse today, another lie, is that the US was helping Afghan “freedom fighters” fend off a Soviet invas!on. In reality, the US began funneling arms to insurgents six months before the Soviets even set foot in Afghanistan. And “invas!on” itself is a misnomer because the Afghan government REQUESTED that the Soviets assist them against the US-backed insurg3ncy.
    - To make a long story short, the Soviets withdraw in 1989 thanks to Gorbachev, leaving the PDPA out to dry. The so-called “Mujah!ideen” succeed in overthrowing the Afghan government by 1992 and proceed to fight amongst themselves. This sparks a civil war between warlords until the Taliban take power in 1996 with America’s blessing. Without US support for the insurgency, the Taliban would NOT exist.
    - Every single achievement made by women is erased during this period. Women are “neither seen nor heard” and have every right stripped. They are forbidden to work or attend school.
    - The US continues supporting the Taliban and negotiates a deal with them to build the Trans-Afghan!stan (Unocal) oil-and-gas pipeline. However, at this point Osama Bin Laden turns on his white masters and bombs several American embassies in East Africa. The Taliban leader voices his support to Osama Bin Laden, and the pipeline talks are halted. Only then does the US stop supporting them. This has absolutely nothing to do with women.
    - September 11, 2001: The World Tr@de Centers are attacked, supposedly by Osama B!n Laden and Al Q@eda.
    - The US, Britain, Canada and a slew of other NATO countries invade Afghanistan, overthrow the Taliban, and occupy it militarily for over ten years to today. Their puppet president is Hamid Karzai and their allies the Northern Alliance, the same pack of warlords from 1992-1996 who’ve k!lled over 50,000 people.
    …………………………………………………….
    2001 to TODAY:
    - Afghanistan is in ruins. NATO troops have k!lled almost 30,000 people. The Northern Alliance, their new ally, has conducted mass r@pes across the country.
    - The overall literacy rate for women is 12%. Only about 30% of girls are even in school. In 2009 the education ministry reported that about 500 schools, most of them for girls, were destroyed or forced to close (a lot of this due to the Tal!ban). Between March and October 2010, at least 126 schoolteachers and students were murd3red.
    - Official Afghan statistics report that 2300 women (an underestimation) commit suic!de each year–that’s six per day. The average life expectancy for women is 44 years, a whopping 24 years below world average. Again, thanks to Western imperialism.
    - In 2004, the Afghan constitution drafted with US overseers ends up protecting Sharia Law. In 2006, Karzai’s cabinet reestablishes the Department for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, which was notorious under the Taliban for its brutal imposit!on of Sharia, including stoning to death of women.
    - In March 2012, NATO-puppet president Hamid Karzai releases and endorses a non-binding edict issued by the Ulema council (Afghanistan’s highest Islamic authority), which literally states:
    “Men are fundamental and women are secondary,” adding women should avoid “mingling with strange men in various social activities such as education, in bazaars, in offices and other aspects of life.”
    …………………………………………….
    Do you still want to compare this kind of devastation of Afghanistan by the West to China’s overthrow of Lama rule in Tibet? I don’t oppose the West and support the East just on ideological grounds, but because I see the ACTUAL material effects that each have on the world as a whole. Contrary to popular opinion in the West, there IS a hierarchy of evil which has EVERYTHING to do with who has power and wealth in this world.

  • James Aka…

    Parenti’s argument is that it was an attempt to spread marxist ideology about equality, which may or may not be true, but that’s not what it is. When you move in and displace the native population to develop something that economically benefits you, thats imperialism. I comparted that to the west bank and gaza strip, not afghanistan. Afghanistan is comparable to vietnam almost down to the letter. I also pointed out that Russian imperialism existed before and after the USSR but that Stalin stands out since his body count was, as Mao’s was in the 10′s of millions. I would say that Krushchev was no worse than the american presidents that he faced, and all likeliehood better, but he did kill 10′s of thousands of czech’s and hungarians so he’s not a good man either. Stalin and Hitler killed more human beings than every US president combined. Mao may have although i’m not as well read on him as I am so I’m willing to give the benefit of the doubt until I know otherwise.

  • James Aka…

    Nato’s takeover happend in 2002, not in 1979. You’re leaping throgh the interceding history as though it means nothing. The soviets, whatever their initial aim, ended up turning the nation into hamburger over a 10 year period.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Can you see why it’s outright dishonest and a complete slap in the face to Afghans when Amnesty puts out an ad saying: “Keep it up, NATO!”??? NATO is the #1 enemy of the Afghan people. Could you imagine Amnesty International, which you purport to be unbiased, ever running an ad sayingg: “Keep it up, China! Don’t forget the former serfs oppressed by the Dalai Lama??” I wouldn’t like that, but it’d actually be a thousand times more accurate than the pro-NATO ad.
    Is that to say Amnesty doesn’t also do good work? Of course not. A lot of the work they do is very valuable. The problem is when we use Western-based NGOs as the *standard* of truth. Let’s be honest, if there was a human rights group coming out of China, or Russia, or Africa, that had no ties to the West whatsoever, would you donate to them? Would you support them? Or would you dismiss them as agents of propaganda?

  • James Aka…

    You can’t use different things synonomosly. They are different things. your intellectual dishonesty is truely breathtaking.

  • Allenp

    Was the Holocaust a larger example of murder than the Middle Passage though? I know that was 20 Century but still…

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    James, it’s called a PROXY war. The US = NATO, as far as I’m concerned. It WAS a US takeover.
    So the fact that the US funded and trained the backward, reactionary forces that overthrew the best government Afghanistan ever had, means nothing?
    And again, you’re wrong. You’re reverting back to the lens of white supremacy, seeing the West as the default good guys. No matter how much evidence I’ve given you, you still have this inability to accept that no, other people are not more evil than the white Western world. The West is NOT the standard of human decency–it’s the standard of human hypocrisy.
    There are at least 100 million African bodies in the Atlantic Ocean somewhere, while at least 10-13 million Natives in North America were killed by European settlers (about 100 million in total if you count both the Americas, and Spain as well).
    And you also fail to take into account the numerous proxies wars fought in the interests of the United States, with tens of millions dead or displaced in Africa alone.
    Just stop it.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    How the F*CK can you blame Western Imperialism for the literacy rate and suicide rate of women in a country that uses sharia law?
    Mannnnnn.
    Just ignore me though.
    Keep it going.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    And no, the Holocaust was NOT the largest example of mass murder even during WWII. The Japanese murdered millions more Chinese, Koreans, and Filipino people than the Nazis did the Soviets, Jews, Roma, etc.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Every time Teddy speaks, a white person loses their wings.

  • http://slamonline.com nbk

    *falls outta the sky*

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Lakeshow: Because Sharia Law wouldn’t exist in that country if the US hadn’t tried to overthrow their previous F*CKING government. Jesus Christ, it’s not that hard to understand.
    The country that adheres most loyally to Sharia Law today is probably Saudi Arabia. Guess what? They’re America’s best buddies in the region. The House of Saud has its roots in British imperialism, and wouldn’t exist today without huge amounts of US military support.

  • http://slamonline.com Chubachuchi

    Quick question Teddy are you pro communist?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    Yup.

  • http://slamonline.com Chubachuchi

    What can you say about China’s bullying in SE Asia’s Spratlys islands and some of Japans islands, as well as NKorea’s hermit stance?

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    for the most part. I’m not a rigid follower of any one leader or anything like that.
    Anyways thanks for the discussion everyone, especially James. (sry for my impatience in the last comment, LakeShow).
    I’m gonna head out for a bit. Peace guys.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Redd

    Lakeshow you’re clearly ignorant and oblivious. Did you not know only the Bible allows stoning? More so Sharia Law actually no longer exists, one of the biggest urban myths. Get your facts straight ignoramus.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    sh!t, sry chubachuchi. I’ll answer you later, I really have to eat lunch lol.

  • http://slamonline.com LakeShow

    Your best buddy could be Ted Bundy.
    Doesn’t mean your a fan of mass murdering women in stealth of the night in a VW Beetle, circa 1968.
    .
    I just don’t see how you don’t see that you are on the extremist side.
    You don’t give America any credit when the deserve it and you blame everything on America even when it’s not their fault.
    You have to understand, just as you are saying that China and Russia are not all bad, the U.S. isn’t either.
    The WORLD is a f*cked up place Teddy.
    PEOPLE are f*cked up Teddy.
    America is awful.
    China is awful.
    Russia is awful.
    You need to admit that the West is not the thing that’s holding the world back.
    It’s the human condition that holds the World back.
    It’s a human problem, quit blaming it all on the U.S.
    That’s my opinion.
    .
    Redd…. not worth my time. I was an idiot when I was younger too.
    If you don’t think that sharia law is practiced in parts of the middle east. Your stupid man. Sorry, but that’s the only way I can put it.
    You’ll learn allot in the next couple years of your life and i’ll enjoy speaking with you after that time.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ JAmes: Clearly you’re knowledgeable and I appreciate your willingness to engage. Thanks for a great discussion.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ chubachuchi: tbh I haven’t been following these events that closely. But is China being the bully right now? They are the strongest country in that region, and Vietnam does have a reason to be cautious about China since there was some bullying throughout history (which I’m completely against), but I think we need to look at this in a wider frame. Once again, US imperialism rears its ugly head (I know, this sh!t is starting to sound like a Star Wars movie, lol).
    The US has been trying to contain China’s growing influence, and have used the Spratly Islands conflict to strengthen military ties to the Philippines and smooth over relations with Vietnam. This is pretty hypocritical considering their imperialist wars against BOTH countries in the past.
    I’m 100% opposed to a war between Vietnam and China (Vietnam has been through so much hell already), and also between the Philippines and China. However, I don’t give the US any legitimacy in trying to throw its weight in a dispute that’s happening at the other side of the Pacific Ocean. IF the US continues this and if Japan poses a real threat to China, then I fully support China’s right to defend itself.
    As for North Korea, again, they’re only isolated because the US/EU have isolated them through sanctions. I don’t blame North Korea for h@ting the West, when these sanctions are only aimed at hurting their people. The US holds joint military exercises each year with South Korea, which the North rightly sees as a threat to its existence.
    All that being said, while I don’t agree with everything in North Korea, they have had some tremendous achievements due to socialism. They actually had a higher standard of living than the South up until the 1980s. This, after the US pretty much destroyed all their infrastructure during the Korean War. I support their right to sovereignty and independence.
    Another reason why I like the Soviet Union is because they provided an alternative to socialist/third world countries who wanted to chart and independent path. After the collapse of Soviet Union, that’s when North Korea and Cuba, and also Russia and the Eastern European states, fell into recession.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ chubachuchi: tbh I haven’t been following these events that closely. But is China being the bully right now? They are the strongest country in that region, and Vietnam does have a reason to be cautious about China since there was some bullying throughout history (which I’m completely against), but I think we need to look at this in a wider frame. Once again, US imperial!sm rears its ugly head (I know, this sh!t is starting to sound like a Star Wars movie, lol).
    The US has been trying to contain China’s growing influence, and have used the Spratly Islands conflict to strengthen military ties to the Philippines and smooth over relations with Vietnam. This is pretty hypocritical considering their imperial!st wars against BOTH countries in the past.
    I’m 100% opposed to a war between Vietnam and China (Vietnam has been through so much hell already), and also between the Philippines and China. However, I don’t give the US any legitimacy in trying to throw its weight in a dispute that’s happening at the other side of the Pacific Ocean. IF the US continues this and if Japan poses a real threat to China, then I fully support China’s right to defend itself.
    As for North Korea, again, they’re only isolated because the US/EU have isolated them through sanctions. I don’t blame North Korea for h@ting the West, when these sanctions are only aimed at hurting their people. The US holds joint military exercises each year with South Korea, which the North rightly sees as a threat to its existence.
    All that being said, while I don’t agree with everything in North Korea, they have had some tremendous achievements due to social!sm. They actually had a higher standard of living than the South up until the 1980s. This, after the US pretty much destroyed all their infrastructure during the Korean War. I support their right to sovereignty and independence.
    Another reason why I like the Soviet Union is because they provided an alternative to social!st/third world countries who wanted to chart and independent path. After the collapse of Soviet Union, that’s when North Korea and Cuba, and also Russia and the Eastern European states, fell into recess!on.
    …………… BTW I’m pretty sure SLAM has the word social!sm censored. I can never make a post with that word intact.

  • http://thetroyblog.com Teddy-the-Bear

    @ chubachuchi: tbh I haven’t been following these events that closely. But is China being the bully right now? They are the strongest country in that region, and Vietnam does have a reason to be cautious about China since there was some bullying throughout history (which I’m completely against), but I think we need to look at this in a wider frame. Once again, US imperial!sm rears its ugly head (I know, this sh!t is starting to sound like a Star Wars movie, lol).
    The US has been trying to contain China’s growing influence, and have used the Spratly Islands conflict to strengthen military ties to the Philippines and smooth over relations with Vietnam. This is pretty hypocritical considering their imperial!st wars against BOTH countries in the past.
    I’m 100% opposed to a war between Vietnam and China (Vietnam has been through so much hell already), and also between the Philippines and China. However, I don’t give the US any legitimacy in trying to throw its weight in a dispute that’s happening at the other side of the Pacific Ocean. IF the US continues this and if Japan poses a real threat to China, then I fully support China’s right to defend itself.
    As for North Korea, again, they’re only isolated because the US/EU have isolated them through sanctions. I don’t blame North Korea for h@ting the West, when these sanctions are only aimed at hurting their people. The US holds joint military exercises each year with South Korea, which the North rightly sees as a threat to its existence.
    All that being said, while I don’t agree with everything in North Korea, they have had some tremendous achievements due to social!sm. They actually had a higher standard of living than the South up until the 1980s. This, after the US pretty much destroyed all their infrastructure during the Korean War. I support their right to sovereignty and independence.
    Another reason why I like the Sov!et Union is because they provided an alternative to social!st/th!rd world countries who wanted to chart and independent path. After the collapse of Sov!et Union, that’s when North Korea and Cuba, and also Russia and the Eastern European states, fell into recess!on.
    BTW I’m pretty sure the word social!sm censored. I can never make a post with that word intact.

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