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Tuesday, January 15th, 2013 at 9:40 am  |  133 responses

Dwyane Wade Gets a Utah Jazz Fan Ejected (VIDEO)

Peace!

An obnoxious Utah Jazz fan sitting courtside last night was shown the door late in the third quarter, as Dwyane Wade helpfully pointed out the exit for him. Following the Jazz win, Miami Heat superstar LeBron James called the fans in Utah “amazing”. Per the Deseret News: “It’s a great environment. It’s a great atmosphere,’ LeBron James said. ‘These fans are amazing, especially, of course for their team. They bring a lot of energy to the game. I thrive off that.’ [...] ‘The fans give them an extra boost of confidence. They get them excited. They’re always into the game,’ James continued on Jazz faithful. ‘They know the game of basketball, so much history as far as their organization. So they’re great.’ Miami star guard Dwyane Wade, whose 24-11 team has gone 5-5 and has gone 1-2 on a six-game road trip, echoed those sentiments. This year, the 20-19 Jazz, winners of five of seven, are 11-4 at home. ‘They’re very competitive here and they bring out the best in other teams. We enjoy every time we come here,’ Wade said. ‘It’s a tough place to play. It’s a tough place to breathe, first of all. Once you get over that, then you’ve gotta play the game. It’s always tough, but it’s always enjoyable,” he added. “This is one place that if you walk out of here with a win, you feel very, very good about yourself.’”

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  • rs

    Wade is not a Superstar anymore. He doesn’t threat the fans and players like one.

  • roscoe

    of course, the only guy with a drink in his hand in UTAH gets ejected.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    I like Wade showing him the way out. Fans have to know their place. Show respect to the players. Fans at games say a lot of things because they know that (besides those 2004 Pacers), players can’t get to them and deal with them the way some of them need to be dealt with. Now Wade should get his game together along with his team and start winning some road games before the All-Star Break.

  • K_HOLIDAY

    Wonder what happened… thought slam would have a recap of the events leading to the ejection… guess not

  • ROY

    Can’t win? get a fan ejected. C’mon, I’ve seen the fans way more rowdy and aggressive at the American airlines stadium, taunting players. I don’t see wade assisting security there.

  • Blap

    The guy looks like a first class douchebag.

  • RayJr

    Well I guess daddy isn’t going to let him use those front row seats anymore huh?

  • http://twitter.com/LuisBrownish Luis Moreno

    Exactly what I was thinking.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    that outfit man… LOL.. fashions crazy

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    gotta agree on the attitude

  • Hugo Silva

    Good thing Ron Artest wasnt there.

  • bustios

    wade is the dirtiest player in the league and just an all around b****. I’m not one for being rude, which I’m sure this guy was, but for the price of those tickets, he should be allowed to say whatever he wants. and for the people saying he looks like a douche, I agree, but dwyane wade dresses just like that guy

  • bike

    If the guy was being a jerk, he deserved the ejection. But Wade should not have gotten involved no matter what the guy was saying or doing. Players should never get into any altercation with a fan.

  • Seth

    Paying more for a ticket does not make you exempt from the rules. You can’t do whatever you want.

  • 23

    Are you really going clint Eastwood with that empty chair joke!???

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Very easy to say that when you don’t know what the man was saying to Wade. I’d flip it. Fans should make sure they don’t say anything disrespectful to players. They’re men too.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Thank you.

  • http://twitter.com/LuisBrownish Luis Moreno

    wade would pull it off tho!

  • bike

    Agree that fans shouldn’t be disrespectful. But some of them are, and when they are, it’s up to security to discipline them accordingly. Not the players.

  • RunNGun

    No one seems to know the reason why the fan was ejected. Gabrielle Union and Honey Nut Cheerios?

  • RunNGun

    Wait… so you’re saying it’s not okay to heckle players then? -___- I can understand if it was death threats and that sort, but hecklers are there for a reason. Man up or call the wham-bulance, i say.

  • Kevin

    Dude asked D-Wade if he took his herpes meds and D-Wade snitched on him

  • initbruv

    That was the actual reason for his ejection. He didn’t say anything, Wade was just pointing out that his douchebaggery was overwhelming and security agreed.

  • Kevin

    Gabrielle Union taste like Cocoa Puffs bruh

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Players can say whatever they want to these people because there’s no difference between them and the fans other than the fact that one of them is playing and the other is not. Players, like other regular people, have different personalities. Some guys can and will ignore what’s said to them, some won’t. There’s no problem with either approach.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Wade may be the dirtiest star player in the league. But he’s not the dirtiest player in the league. World Peace elbowed James Harden and concussed him last season. On purpose. That was much more vicious than Wade accidentally breaking Kobe’s nose in the All-Star Game. There are plenty of guys who are dirtier than Wade is.

  • T-Money

    never understood why fans feel entitled to say whatever they want to athletes. you pay to see the show, that’s all you get with your ticket.

  • sickboy11

    For the price of that ticket, that guy gets to say whatever he wants to that overpaid spoiled entitled selfish dirty S.O.B.
    Give me a break. Continue pandering to these guys…ugh.

    They need to toughen up and stop whining about words. For what he makes a year, he can be insulted for 48 minutes, and do it with a smile. Wanna shut the guy up? Beat his team in fashion.

  • sickboy11

    That was an elbow. Elbow’s are mostly incidental from hard play…
    Check out D-Wade’s flying kick to Ramone Sessions’s groin.Or him shoving Darren Collison. Or pulling Rajon Rondo to the ground…or many many other infamous plays where Wade TRIES to hurt and injure people.

    Wade is THE dirtiest player in the game who gets away with it because he is one of Stern’s golden boys.

  • sickboy11

    Wait wait…So a player can do whatever he wants, but a fan has to keep quiet? Really? Can you get on their jock a little more?
    It’s people like you that contribute to the sad state of the NBA and their annoying, whining, spoiled entitled “stars”.
    Of course, you are a guy that thinks violence is okay and “cool”…”Deal with them the way some of them need to be dealt with”, okay Dirty Harry….
    They’re Basketball players. You shut fans up by destroying their team on the court in the game.

    These guys don’t get heckled anywhere near what they used to be.

  • Luis

    Wade is not star anymore as used to be, he is going thru some personal problem and this incident showed this. Players never, ever would get involved or persuaded by fans. Except if happens violence. Wade was wrong and security wrong at all.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    When have you seen a superstar player, star player, or any player at all walk up to a fan randomly and start talking trash? I’ll wait…

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Heckling is one thing but fans can’t just say whatever they want and players shouldn’t be expected to just let everything ride. It’s not about “manning up” because saying wild, disrespectful things to players while you know that security will prevent any altercation is a pretty cowardly thing to do. A fan in Boston poured a beer on LeBron’s head after he destroyed the Celtics in Game 6 of the ECF last season. So if he hadn’t have kept walking and he decided to approach that fan, he would be in the wrong? That’s incredibly stupid.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    You think that elbow was incidental? Did you see it? What was incidental was Kobe’s nose breaking. The only way the two situations I brought up would be similar would be if Wade had deliberately thrown his elbow at Kobe’s nose in the way that World Peace threw his elbow at James Harden’s head area causing a concussion. Wade swung his arms down hard on Kobe’s arms and the ball and came in contact with his nose first. Come on, dude. Wade is the dirtiest star player, there’s really no argument that can be made against that. His dirty plays are shown more because of his star status. Pretty simple.

  • bike

    The difference between a player and a fan is a player is getting paid to play a game that a fan is paying to see. If a player gets into a verbal altercation with a fan, the likelihood of the situation becoming more serious goes up. If the situation escalates to the point where a player takes a swing at a fan, who do you think the nba is going after?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Also, it’s pretty easy to make statements such as “Man up” when you’re not the one who’s in that situation. I saw that same comment on the Melo/KG post here. So easy to tell guys how to behave when you’ll never be in their shoes.

  • sickboy11

    What does that matter?
    Oh wait, it doesn’t. These guys are only who they are because of the fans. They can man up and deal with trash talk and heckling. Without fans, they wouldn’t lead the lives they do, have what they have…they’d be skilled at a GAME…and beyond that, nada. We allow them to play a game for a living and become immensely wealthy and famous for it. They live their lives in public is if they grasp that image, but no matter what…they owe it all to FANS. All the hard work and dedication to the game doesn’t amount to squat without the fans. They can man-up a bit and play the game. People like you have allowed them to become the entitled, self-important babies they’ve become.

  • sickboy11

    Thinking being a “man” or “manning up” has anything to do with fighting or going after people physically is an incredibly stupid way of thinking.

  • sickboy11

    Nope. Dirtiest player and getting worse thanks to lack of punishment and his favored status with the league. He’s the definition of “spoiled” and “entitled”…he thinks he is untouchable. He intentionally tries to hurt people.

  • sickboy11

    No you can’t do whatever you want….but saying what you want isn’t exactly asking for much.

  • https://twitter.com/jasontichenor Mr. Wet

    Why doesn’t everone keep misspelling Kevin Garnett.

  • bike

    It may be stupid, but what do you think the nba would have done if he went after the fan?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    lol Some fans overestimate their importance or value to the players. Yes, you pay money for stuff. That’s great. But these guys are who they are because of the talent they have (that fans didn’t give them) and their work ethic (which fans also didn’t give them). Don’t get it twisted. They have what they have because of the work they do and how good or great they are at playing the game. The most important part of the NBA is the players. There would be no fans without the players, not the other way around. You don’t allow them to do squat. You sit back, watch and admire their games. That’s it. Educate yourself because it’s clear you think too much of your place. Know your place. It’s definitely not more important than the players. Michael Jordan was who he was because of talent, skill and hard work. Not because of any fan. Everything that he generated off the court was because of the work he put in on the court. Which came after he put in work during the offseason. You watch the NBA because of the players. The players don’t watch you. Smarten up.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Being man means standing up for yourself when you feel like it. It’s not up to you or anyone else to decide when it’s right or wrong for any of these guys to decide not to ignore a fan who has said something that’s out of bounds.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Can’t argue with ignorance. Think what you want. Watch a game or two played by a team other than the Heat. You’ll see some guys who are a lot dirtier than Wade is.

  • initbruv

    “There would be no fans without the players, not the other way around.” Um, without the fans they would just be a bunch of dudes playing basketball at the park so let’s not get carried away. That said, people need to learn to compose themselves in public. Wade is no spring chicken, he’s been around. My guess is the dude deserved to get kicked out. And rich guys in white pants can generally go f*ck themselves.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    How can fans exist without having a player or team that they can root for and watch? Who came first, Michael Jordan or his fans? LeBron or his fans? Kobe or his fans? You can’t have Kobe fans without Kobe, LeBron fans without LeBron or Jordan fans without Jordan. Kobe, Jordan, LeBron and every other player were good before they had 1 fan. Fans need to understand their role. That’s why dude got ejected because he thought that he was in a position to come at Wade as if they were equal participants in last night’s game. No, Wade is playing, fans are watching. Some here are out of touch with reality if they think that they somehow play a major part in the lives of these guys. Look at the two lockouts in 99 and last season. Fans were angry and bored. Why? Because they couldn’t watch their favorite teams/players play.

  • initbruv

    Yes, it is a mutually beneficial thing. Without the fans, players wouldn’t be pros (because they wouldn’t get paid). Without players there would be no basketball, obviously. Nobody disagrees with that. I’m just saying you’re overstating your case. When you say fans need to understand their role…I mean, I’m pretty sure that their role is to support their team and to make it a pain in the a** for the other team to be in their home. That’s true in all sports at all times. That’s not to say that there isn’t a line that can be crossed. But that is indeed their role at a game. They aren’t supposed to sit politely like it’s a symphony.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Then the players should also be able to say what they want.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Mostly agree but if the fans can say whatever they want to players, then the players can also say whatever they want to the fans in response. If there’s nothing wrong with fans saying anything they like to players for whatever reason, then there’s also nothing wrong with players not only trying to destroy the opposing team on the floor but also saying whatever they please to the fans who are talking to them during the game. Only fair. I’m glad you used the phrase “mutually beneficial thing” because that’s exactly what it is. But there are fans who actually talk down on the players as if they would be nothing without fans. That’s just not true. When I say fans should understand their role, I simply mean that they shouldn’t overestimate their importance. You’ll find some who talk as if they actually made these guys who they are.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    I’m just talking about fairness. Like I’ve said before, there are fans who will say all kinds of crazy things to these guys because they know that chances are great that they won’t be face to face with them without security. Outside of an NBA arena, if a fan poured a beer on LeBron James, I’m sure that he wouldn’t just walk away as he did last year in Boston. Things would be a little different. I can’t imagine some of the things fans said to him on the road during his first season in Miami. My guess is that the fan in Cleveland who threw something at him while he was sitting on the bench wouldn’t do that if they walked past each other on the street. It’s unreasonable to tell a player to just play the game and leave the fans alone regardless of what they say when these guys are just regular dudes who have a ridiculous amount of talent and skill. They’re going to react sometimes. The NBA can go after whoever they want to go after. We know it would be the players. We saw that in the Palace brawl. The fan last night was ejected and it was the right thing to do. So I can’t agree with people who find fault with Wade and act like that fan should have been able to sit there regardless of what they’re saying and Wade should’ve just ignored it. Especially since we don’t know what he was saying. The situation was handled perfectly. Wade wasn’t in the wrong for talking to that man.

  • sickboy11

    You don’t get in, and really need a course in logic.
    No matter what, no fans no game.
    I get they worked hard and honed their skill…but without us paying money that pay their salaries…what would it be for?
    They’d be good at a game. And THAT’S IT. They couldn’t make money off it without fans. SO they’d be working 9-5 jobs with great skills at a game. This isn’t exactly chicken before the egg here.

  • sickboy11

    Arguing from authority?
    Logical fallacy. You have no idea what I watch or how much…but it is obviously way mroe than you think.
    I don’t see any other players trying to hurt another player.

  • sickboy11

    Standing up for yourself is different from getting”physical”, which is what you meant by “dealt with”.

  • Initbruv

    That’s a good point.

  • bustios

    nobody can pull off ass clown outfits

  • bustios

    say whatever, not do.

  • bustios

    dirtiest former star maybe. He also is the leagues biggest flopper

  • bustios

    Brother Malcolm would not be a Dwyane Wade fan

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    So D-Wade is just a role player now? lol Pretty crazy thing to say.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Let me correct you..no players, no game. Again, you overestimate your importance.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    So do I. Just to see how bold some of these people really are when dude is right in front of them.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Understand, if you don’t know already, that most of these guys come from areas where some of the things that are said to them by some of these fans would result in some sort of altercation even if it’s just a man to man conversation. A lot of fans say things that they know they couldn’t get away with if they weren’t in a controlled environment. I think it’s funny how you assumed that I meant getting “physical”. What I meant by that was a man to man conversation to see if these dudes would say the same things without any security around. Throw something at LeBron while he’s standing in front of you. Talk about his mom right in front of him. Be a man about it. It’s easy to talk about his mother while he was running up and down the court trying to win a game. Try it while he’s standing in front of you. That’s what I meant.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    This is why you can’t be taken seriously. “Overpaid, spoiled, entitled, selfish, dirty SOB.” Completely ignorant on your part. Overpaid? Given how much money he’s generated for the Heat organization since he’s been there? The guy who was the main reason why they won their first championship in franchise history? Nah, not overpaid. Spoiled? Entitled? Selfish? Do you know his family history? Educate yourself on it. Nothing was given to him. He’s worked for everything. You’re wrong on all accounts. Become an NBA superstar and have your business put out into the street. Let people find out the most private things about you and then taunt you with it. Say the meanest things they can think of. And then tell me how “tough” you are. Until then, you make yourself sound pretty stupid making such statements.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Given how you talk, it sounds like you don’t watch much at all. If you do, you should show it. You’re not showing it now.

  • sickboy11

    No. I’m not being just a fan and fan boy and geeking out on the players behalf….I’m definitely not displaying any signs of ignorance or lack of knowledge base….just that I don’t geek out

  • sickboy11

    I have no problem with that. Your problem is with Herr Stern

  • sickboy11

    Todays players compared to the greats?
    You bet, they are all those things and more….Wade included if not more than others.
    Again, if the Heat Organization or the league didn’t exist…if there was no money behind the game (and where does the money come from) what would Mr. Wade be doing? What would he be doing with all those basketball skills?
    Nothing was given to him? HA! Not to familiar with the AAU system and prep schools and the basketball factory and machine that spits out players these days are you?
    What does it matter what anyone says? Are they THAT immature and insecure it affects them that much? That’s pretty sad.

  • sickboy11

    “Understand, if you don’t know already, that most of these guys come from areas where some of the things that are said to them by some of these fans would result in some sort of altercation even if it’s just a man to man conversation”- So poor behavior is acceptable as long as you grow up in a certain way, area or economic class…is that correct?
    And you’re still talking about physical intimidation. The threat of violence.

  • sickboy11

    Wade’s a grown man, getting paid outrageous sums of money to do a job, a job that happens to be a game. Yeah, he should’ve ignored it, no matter what was said. Again…entitled. “My world is perfect, I don’t have to hear anything negative”.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Saying that Wade is the dirtiest player in the league when there are around 500 or so players in the NBA is ridiculous no matter how you slice it. That’s the point.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Hilarious. “Yeah, he should’ve ignored it, no matter was said.” Right, because he’s not a human being or anything.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Talking face to face is poor behavior to you? lol Did you not see where I said “man to man conversation”? That’s physically intimidating? Standing in front of someone and having a conversation like adults? Having a conversation like men is a threat? Where in the world did you grow up?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    ….The AAU system and prep schools and the “basketball factory” spits out players who can play…that’s kind of how they make it into those systems. Is that not common sense? Are you not aware that a player has to be good in order to play on an AAU team, get to a prep school, a big time university and then be a top pick in the NBA? Meaning they already have the talent before someone spots them. You’re incapable of seeing it from any point of view that’s not yours.

  • sickboy11

    You are having a hard time with this. I’ll try to make it easy.
    No game…so what? What would that matter? As if there aren’t other sports or venues of entertainment? People CHOOSE to watch Basketball (actually more and more are choosing not to thanks to the guys you seem to idolize).
    So, no players= no game. That’s fine.
    But that’s not the reality. The reality is this:
    Money (capital and profit)
    That money (capital) establishes a league and a team
    That team has players. That need to be paid.
    So they play games, sell merchandise, etc. and present these things to an audience (who can choose to like it or not) to make money (profit)
    That money covers the initial money spent (capital), pays the players and keeps the league going.
    $$$$$$$$$$$
    The money doesn’t come from nowhere. Again, Dwayne Wade, Tim Duncan, Derrick Rose, Carmelo Anthony would just be guys who were skilled at a recreational pursuit….end of story. It starts with people being interested and desiring a product- fans. Eventually down the line it does continue with creating a better product (talent) enticing those people back….but the end all and be all of it (and most things in our country/society) is $$$$$$$= Fans.

  • sickboy11

    Pot…meet the kettle!
    Having been involved in that system for a good amount of my life and career, I know exactly what it is all about and what it takes to be involved. And I know exactly what it is doing and what it is shaping players into these days. Not sure what your point is about them having to have talent, or at least physical or athletic prowess that can be molded into talent….we are talking about the end result…oh and if they are “given” anything. These days? They are given quite a lot….too much. If the NCAA was serious about it’s rules and not acually concerned with making money off TV deals, half the kids we get to watch would never be eligible thanks to gifts and favors.

  • sickboy11

    No. It really isn’t. It’s a pretty darn good observation with plenty of evidence to back it up.

  • sickboy11

    ^Proves my point below about what you really meant and implied.

  • sickboy11

    Understand, if you don’t know already, that most of these guys come from areas where some of the things that are said to them by some of these fans would result in some sort of altercation even if it’s just a man to man conversation.—So poor, anti-social behavior is justified if you come from the right area, class, or ethnic background? Is that the jist?
    You are implying that people wouldn’t say things to their face. Why wouldn’t they? You are suggesting they would be frightened to do so…what would they be frightened of exactly?
    You know what you’re implying.

  • sickboy11

    So human beings aren’t capable of maturity and self control?
    Okay.

  • sickboy11

    YOU are saying people wouldn’t say the things they do face to face. Why? You are suggesting they would be frightened. Well frightened of what? You know exactly what you are implying when you say they wouldn’t say them…or exactly what you think would dissuade them from doing so. It all goes back to one thing for you.

  • initbruv

    I hear you man. That’s a fair point.

  • initbruv

    Your boss pays you too and you need that money. At the same time he/she needs you to do your job. It’s mutual. You always hear politicians talk about “job creators”, but must of us are the a**hole who they need to do the job. Without us they’re nothing, without them…well you get the point. It’s mutual is all I’m saying.

  • initbruv

    What he’s saying is there would be no $$$$ without a solid product. The players are the product. That’s what you minimized in your little econ lesson. Nobody would invest if the product was not up to par. The game almost died before and then Magic and Bird came along with a whole host of other talent and the game was revived. The fans are fickle f*cks who will abandon the game at any moment. The players make it what it is.

  • sickboy11

    No, I didn’t: “Eventually down the line it does continue with creating a better product (talent) enticing those people back”.
    The players aren’t really the product. The product is the game and season itself really. The players play the game, like car salesman sells the car, or a watchmaker makes the watch. No one is making the players…well in basic terms; these days the NBA is creating stars to package and sell to fans in order to increase its profit.
    And in broad terms, yes it is minimal in regards to this argument. In fact, you kind of make my point for me: “The fans are fickle f*cks who will abandon the game at any moment.”- And then what will the players do?

  • sickboy11

    I’ll agree it is mutual now, in the present, the way it is set up…but not at its’ basic core. Without the fans to generate money from, there would be no league. The NBA would’ve collapsed, as you pointed out it almost did immediately following the ABA aquisition and before Bird and Magic. The fans came back however, and the money came in and kept it going. No matter what, the profit has to be there. The fans, an audience must be present. Otherwise, it’s a bunch of guys no one has ever heard of in an athletic contest playing by agreed upon rules.
    There is a huge flaw in that political “point” by the way, that being “job creators” as individual people that exist in our society are mythological creatures.

  • nlruizjr

    actually dude the fan is their employer, when was the last time you berated your employer and still have a job, talent or no !!!!

  • retloc

    Who is dirtier, you say there’s countless others. Name three, hell name one. You could go with the standard reggie evans or kg, but neither one of them are hands down dirtier than wade. I think sickboy has a valid point, and pointing out how many dudes are in the l doesn’t make wade less dirty. Someones the dirtiest player in the league 1 out of a million or one out of five, the total amount doesn’t matter.

  • bustios

    not just a role player. I mentioned the flopping

  • bustios

    23 likes. the most for any comment on here. the people have spoken. your secret crush is the dirtiest player in the league, a b**** and dresses like a D-bag

  • Truth

    The fact is that the guy probably deserved to be thrown out. Jazz fans are awful. Probably the worst fans in all of the NBA. They are complete a-holes to every single team that walks into their stadium and they always get out of control pissed when their mediocre team loses any game at all. I’m just sick and tired of people thinking that because they bought a ticket to a sports game, show, concert, etc, they can just say or do whatever they want to famous people. They aren’t dancing monkeys.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    If he’s not a superstar or a star, then he’s a role player. You said he’s not a star. Which means you’re saying he’s a role player. Flopping doesn’t mean he’s not a star. So Chris Paul isn’t a superstar because he flops at times? Blake Griffin isn’t a star because he flops? Doesn’t make sense.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Metta World Peace. Pulled Paul Pierce’s shorts down years ago in Boston. Elbowed James Harden in the head on purpose. That one play is dirtier than any dirty play Wade has been a part of. Pretty easy. This isn’t hard. I said there are around 500 players in the league. Dude said Wade is the dirtiest out of 500. That is simply a silly thing to say. Period. I said Wade’s dirty plays are shown more because of his status in the league which is true. sickboy doesn’t have a valid point. He’s having a tantrum because he has something against Wade and how he plays that results in him not making any sense when he talks about him.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    The fan is their employer? Do you know how stupid that sounds? The owners sign the checks. Not the fans. How many fans have drafted players? How many fans have signed players to endorsement deals?

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    People choose to watch basketball because of how talented the guys are. Not one fan gave any of these players the talent, skill and work ethic that they have. I really don’t see how you’re missing this. No players = no game is the reality, how is it not? The players bring in the fans, not the other way around. The players are the biggest part of the game, not the fans. It starts with having great players, not with the fans being interested. The fans are interested because of how good/great the players are.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Exactly.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Who do you think play the games and the season? Substitute the top 20 players in the league right now with some random 20 dudes and see how many fans show up to games and purchase merchandise. Take Kobe, Dwight, Pau and Nash out of LA, take LeBron, Wade and Bosh out of Miami, take D-Rose out of Chicago and let’s see how many fans show up to games. The players are the product. Even more than the NFL. It’s a star’s league. The stars draw the fans in. There will always be fans because of how good/great the players are. If fans leave, more will come. Pretty simple.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Fans are human beings too if you’re not aware. So why should players have to show any more self control than the fans? Because they make a lot of money? Means nothing. They’re still regular dudes. The fans should be the ones who show more self control. Every player-fan situation is started by a fan. The Palace brawl was started by a fan throwing a drink on Ron Artest as he was laying down on the scorer’s table. Had that not happened, there would have been no brawl. Just an altercation between the players on the floor.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    It comes down to cowardice. Fans say things to players because they know in the back of their minds that they’re protected. I’m not implying anything. I’m saying outright that these people who do these kinds of things are cowards. I said nothing about threats of violence. You pulled that from somewhere.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    They wouldn’t say it because they’re cowards. Not implying anything. That’s it.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Cowardice. Simple to understand. Maybe you don’t get it because you identify with these cowardly people.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    People like you give real basketball fans a bad name. 23 people can be wrong. Having a majority doesn’t make you right.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Not a good observation at all really. Just a reflexive statement coming from someone who seems to not like how Wade plays. Which is your prerogative. But it’s also your prerogative to be wrong. Which you are.

  • pposse

    What came first, Rome or the Coliseum??

  • sickboy11

    Wrong again kiddo. In twenty years of watching Basketball I have never seen a player kick his leg up into the groin of another player during a shot.
    There is nothing wrong factually with my statement, it isn’t a reflex at all. It’s based on evidence. Your counter claim of “there are this many players” or “so and so did this once” or “watch some of the unknown guys” isn’t evidence and isn’t quantifiable in any manner. So prove it wrong by naming the dirtiest player or by proving Wade isn’t a dirty player. Those are your two options. You ad hominem replies mean nothing.

  • sickboy11

    You know that for a fact how? You’ve made a generalization, which means you’ve said absolutely nothing of value.
    You don’t know that and can’t guarantee it. You keep saying it because you believe these people would fear something. Can’t be a coward without fear….So what is it that they would be scared of? What is this fear you suppose they will feel based on?

  • sickboy11

    Imagine that! Yet another ad hominem. Typical when someone is backed up against the wall by logic.
    What is it these “cowards” would be afraid of? What would they have to fear that would turn them into cowards?

  • sickboy11

    Never said that fans shouldn’t be or should be excused for atrocious behavior.
    I made no judgement call on the fans, just the right of a fan to say what he wants with a paid ticket.
    You’ve made no point here. You’ve basically said, “But Mommy, he did it first!”

  • sickboy11

    Whatt are they protected FROM exactly?
    Why are they cowards, and why do you ASSUME they are?
    What do these people FEAR that in your mind makes them cowards?

  • pposse

    Hasty Generalization!

  • sickboy11

    What’s your point? Players still ARE NOT the product. They are producers of a product. The games they play are the product. We don’t go somewhere to watch players stand around. We go t arenas to watch them PLAY A GAME. (Unless of course, as I said, we talk about packaging guys to aim at the fans)
    What don’t you get, no $$$$= no league at all.
    The option wouldn’t be there for the players if there was no PROFIT MOTIVE. They would have had nothing to work towards all these years if there was no league. And there’d be no league without a target audience, or profit motive.
    You didn’t do well in economics, eh?

  • sickboy11

    How off topic can you go?
    I NEVER said any fan gave any player talent, skill, work
    ethic, drive, ambition…anything at all except their attention and money.

    I’m not missing anything; you seem to be missing a basic
    economic lesson and reality: Without a profit motive, things don’t exist. I
    never said fans are any part of THE GAME itself. The game is a separate being
    entirely. The game actually exists with or without the NBA.

    The players keep fans coming back, by providing a high
    quality product to keep fans money that could very easily be spent elsewhere;
    but again you’re incorrect…Without a profit motive (fans to make money off
    of) no league would ever or could possibly ever exist. If there weren’t people
    willing to spend their money to watch Basketball, the guys we watch play
    Basketball (the best game there is) would probably be playing something else
    where they could make money.

    This really is simple economics, and I can’t see how anyone
    couldn’t understand this.

    I think maybe the problem is you aren’t getting passed the
    idea of an already established league. Somehow there is a disconnect somewhere
    that you believe the league would exist no matter what? It would exist somehow inherently
    by its’ own volition?

  • sickboy11

    Wrong. Players are workers creating a product.
    I didn’t minimize it at all: Eventually down the line it does continue with creating a better product (talent) enticing those people back.
    Profit motive. There would be no league or players to invest in at all without a market (fans, people willing to spend their money) for it.
    “The fans are fickle ____ who will abandon the game at any moment.”- Proves my point. Say they abandon the game, then what? What do the players do then? Keep playing in hopes of?

  • sickboy11

    What is? What generalization have I made?
    Generalizations have no inherent value, as most are false.

    He can’t guarantee they are all cowards.
    He refuses to say what they would be fearing, what would make them afraid…and there is a reason why he refuses to and avoids an answer.

  • sickboy11

    Hee Hee…a generalization about a generalization?
    But it is actually a specific comment about the nature of generalizations that leaves room for exceptions.

  • pposse

    no not u..i was speaking on the specific generalization that was being used by by anymeansnecessary…fan a is a coward, fan b is a coward so fan c is a coward as well

  • pposse

    sorry i was just tryin to bring up what i thought was the specific generalization that was being used from byanymeansnec.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Sorry son. One player dirtier than Wade. Metta World Peace. All I need to name is one to prove that Wade isn’t the dirtiest player in the league. I gave you one name. No need for me to do any more.

  • sickboy11

    Nope. Metta is more old school, more blatant about playing physical…but not dirtier. Wade’s sneakiness on that front, the fact that he does it in a manner that tries to hide it, puts him ahead of World-Peace.

  • initbruv

    I don’t even know why we’re having this argument. It is an undeniably mutually beneficial endeavor. We both agree the fans are important. Maybe we just disagree as to whether they should be allowed to act however they want at games? If not then we aren’t disagreeing about anything.

  • initbruv

    I agree on all counts here. I had this discussion with B.A.M.N. Is anyone discounting that the fans are vital? And you obviously agree that the players are too. So…I don’t understand why we are disagreeing.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    There is no old school or new school when it comes to deliberately elbowing a guy in the head. That’s not playing physical. National TV. Huge game against the best team in the West. He elbowed one of their star players in the head. Sneaky or not, doesn’t matter. That’s dirty. Dirtier than anything Wade has done in secret or in front of everyone.

  • ratguts

    good to see rod stewart found a job with the nba.

  • bustios

    and being a dwyane wade fanboy makes you a “real fan”? please… no real hoops fan appreciates wade because he’s dirty and has a horrible attitude.

  • bustios

    dude, read what you said.. then read what I said… then reply with something that makes sense

  • sickboy11

    Wrong again. In the eighties, a guy getting elbowed in the
    head would’ve been a common occurrence, well maybe not common, it didn’t happen
    every night; but it did happen often and wasn’t the huge deal in that era. The
    definition of “dirty” has changed over time, but that still doesn’t support
    anything you’re stating. Of course, I’m not even sure of the play you are referring
    to, but it does seem to be your only fact or piece of evidence against my
    statement. One example doesn’t quite
    prove anything or support your case as much as you seem to think it does, nor
    do any of the factors such as how it was televised and who was on the receiving
    end. (If it did, I can still show it supports my opinion…taking Rondo out in the ECF????) And it’s not dirtier than any of the following: blatantly shoving a guy out of bounds in the midst of a temper tantrum (after a whistle), or
    dragging a guy to the ground and injuring him (after a whistle), or- the icing on the cake-
    KICKING A GUY IN THE GROIN. Who owns all these fantastic examples of
    sportsmanship? Dwayne Wade: The Dirtiest Player in the NBA.

    Now, go ahead and please describe that one elbow to the head again, as if
    saying it over and over will make what you think true.

  • Holiday

    I was at the game, and a friend of mine was sitting about 4 seats away. The guy told the ref to pull his head out of his @$5 then used a racial slur and spilled his beer. And for the guy that said “the only guy in Utah holding a beer gets kicked out” your perception and the rest of the worlds for that matter of Utah is terribly wrong! Great game for the Jazz!!!

  • Gregory Davis

    The same reason why you Misspelled the word every one, You typed in everone, you forgot the “Y”.. That’s Why! People do make Mistakes. Even yourself. Lol

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    No real hoops fan appreciates Wade? Michael Jordan (who signed him to Jordan Brand years ago), Charles Barkley, Pat Riley, LeBron James, Alonzo Mourning and countless other former and current players would like to talk with you about them not being “real hoops fans”.

  • ByAnyMeansNecessary

    Dude, you said Wade is a former star. So if he’s not a superstar and he’s not a star, what else is left? Role player or bench warmer. He’s neither. So what is he? Still a star player. It’s not that hard to understand.

  • Allenp

    Your language is very condescending. “We allow. ” People are interesting.

  • Allenp

    Your comment about more and more choosing not to watch is not based on facts. Pure conjecture based on personal anecdotes. The facts say more people are watching the League than in years.
    Fans by tickets to be entertained. They could choos other formas of entertainment but they like sports particularly the false feeling of inclusion in the action. There are rules of decorum in arenas. White pants clearly broke a rule and got tossed. It wasn’t just standard taunting.

  • TheRealOG

    That’s why I hate heat fans so much.

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