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Sunday, February 3rd, 2013 at 11:46 am  |  78 responses

Kyrie Irving Puts on a Show, Drops 35 Points vs Thunder (VIDEO)

The Cavs guard went off.

Kyrie Irving admitted he was “disinterested” at times during the Cavs’ loss to the Pistons Friday night, but whatever focus he lost that night he seemed to regain Saturday, when the guard dropped a mean 35 points (including 13 in the fourth quarter) on the Oklahoma City Thunder. Full highlights of Irving’s sick performance above.

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  • The Seed

    He is an All Star, he has been dragging that team along for a while. Cavs should have traded for Gay. I love Kyrie’s game and he won’t bail on Clevleand, like the previous Punk to play with friends, and now Bron is killing Wade and Bosh game and legacy. Go Cavs, big ups to Kyrie for balling.

  • LakersWontMakethePlayoffs

    Kobestans all believe being the man is more important than rings.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    LeBron is killing Wade and Bosh…by being the number 1 reason why Wade has 2 championships and Bosh has one? So sensitive. Get over it. Nothing was wrong with LeBron leaving a sorry playoff team to play with the Heat. Nothing at all. Move past it.

  • The Seed

    Go look up Wade current statements about his legacy and scoring average.

  • The Seed

    Kobe has five rings, LOL

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    LeBron would not be in Miami if Wade didn’t want him there. Watch Round 2 Game 4 against the Pacers after Wade was having a terrible series. LeBron got him going in that game (while he had 40, 18 and 9 himself) and those two went on to eliminate the Pacers by themselves. Wade’s legacy was set before LeBron got there. Star of the team almost from the time he got drafted. No one expected much from him. Hit a game-winning shot as a rookie against the Hornets in the playoffs. 4 years of being a better player than Kobe. Hall of Famer. Won a Finals series almost by himself in 06. Without the 2nd ring, his legacy was set in stone. The 2nd ring just adds to it.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    It depends on who is at the center of the discussion. If we’re talking about any player other than Kobe, Kobe stans say that rings aren’t the most important thing. If we’re talking about Kobe, then how many championships a player has are all that matters. Kobe stans believe that the only answer they need when someone brings up any fact about Kobe that doesn’t show him as being the greatest player since Jordan and isn’t 100% positive about him is he has 5 rings. They don’t want to hear anything about how he has only been Finals MVP 2 out of 5 times and how he’s 5/7 in the Finals.

  • Lorne

    Kobe was the sidekick for 3 rings.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    LeBron could still be in Cleveland without a championship, and he’d still be better than Kobe. So if your hostility towards him is because he’s better than your dude and has been for a solid 5 seasons, that’s pretty lame. Miami, New York, Cleveland, regardless of what team he decided to play for, he’d still be better than Kobe. You need to get over that too.

  • z

    Hate to admit it but the kobe haters are even dumber than the stans. At least the stans have a leg to stand on. The haters just try to argue that him playing with shaq detracts from his greatness…smh terrible argument

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Not really a terrible argument at all. It’s factual if you actually watched those Finals series. It does detract from his greatness when anyone tries to put him in the same sentence as Michael Jordan. If we’re not comparing him to anyone, then it’s fine. But when people talk about his championships as if he was dominant from start to finish in each one, that’s where they’re wrong. A lot of his “fans” do that. It must be looked at with the proper perspective and it must be put into the proper context. And if the leg that his stans stand on is the tired “5 rings” thing, that’s a pretty wobbly leg. We have to talk about how all of those championships were won and what part he played in each. The really terrible and dumb argument that people make is “He has 5 championships” and they’re done with it.

  • Redd

    He’s an all star? He needs to get to the playoffs first

  • The Seed

    Go look at Kobe numbers after the 1st ring and listen to Coach Popovich talk about Kobe. Western Conference Finals, were the real NBA Finals go learn something young one.

  • luke

    None of that disproves that Shaq wasn’t the man for those 3 rings. Kobe was great. Shaq was THE Man. Kobe-Skilled/Dominant big= No Rings.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Right, that’s why the NBA Championship trophy was given out after the Conference Finals. Oh…wait….Also, go look at Shaq’s numbers from those Finals appearances. Kobe averaged more than Shaq once out of those 3 playoffs and that was the 02-03 Finals. Shaq’s scoring and rebounding easily had more of an overall impact.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    http://www.nba.com/heat/news_recap/new-wade-process-same-wade-results?ls=nbahpfull2
    Found this on NBA.com. LeBron may end up prolonging Wade’s career making things a lot easier on him as he gets older. There’s a reason why he’s shooting 50% this season as a two guard. His career isn’t taking a hit simply because he’s not getting 27 a night anymore.

  • The Seed

    Clyde Drexler career is better than Wades’s. Wade’s legacy is going down in flames. He is losing it, talking about his scoring average and other stuff Wade was given a ring by the refs. Also Wade career can’t touch Kobes’, I can make an argument T-Mac had a better 5 to 6 year span in the league than Wade.

  • luke

    Wade managed to be Finals MVP with Shaq on his team while Shaq was still dominant. Kobe never could. For the average basketball fan that means nothing, but to Kobe and his fans it means a whole lot. Why? Because Kobe fans love self-centered my first Jordan wannabes.

  • Comment_System

    Blame Westbrook 100%

  • The Seed

    Seriously Kobe played a major part in all of the LA rings except the 1st, but had his spots. People forget Kobe torched the Spurs in the real NBA Finals each year, Shaq dominated in the NBA FInals, because he PLAYED AGAINST NO CENTERS. MJ needed Pippen and BIrd had Mchale, Parrish, Johnson and many others and Magic had Cap, Worthy, Scott and Cooper and others. And you talk about how he won his. Its was Shaq and KObe with parts for those rings. WOW!!!

  • Happy

    Shaq dominated from the time he stepped into the league. And if you want to use the argument about Shaq’s competition in the Finals, then let’s talk about who the Spurs had guarding Kobe compared to Shaq/Duncan. You undue yourself with your own argument. Plus Shaq dominated even with everybody’s hack-a-Shaq play.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Even if Clyde had a better career than Wade (he really didn’t), what does it matter? That doesn’t deny Wade his place in the Hall of Fame. Clyde averaged 27 ppg twice. At his best he was a 25, 7 and 6 kind of player. Wade’s best years looked like 27, 7 and 5. Basically equal. If Wade stopped playing today, he would have averaged 25 points, 5 rebounds and 6 assists a game. Drexler averaged 20, 6 and 6 for his career. How that makes him better to you I have no idea. Wade’s legacy is going down in flames months after he won a 2nd championship? Do you understand how stupid that sounds? Wade was given a ring by the refs? Who are you, Mark Cuban? Did you not watch that series? I saw Wade attacking the rim and dunking on people. I remember a lot of free throws but I also remember a lot of jumpshots over defenders. You can’t make a good argument for T-Mac having a better 5-6 year span mostly because Wade’s scoring numbers were equal if not better than Tracy’s and his field goal percentage was far better. Besides the 2 seasons where he averaged 32 and 28, he was basically a 25 ppg a season guy. He and Wade had similar rebounds and assist numbers and Wade is 4 inches shorter.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Who was guarding Kobe during those 3 championship seasons? Reggie Miller, Aaron McKie and Eric Snow, Kerry Kittles? What sane person talks about Shaq and Kobe as if they played an equal part in winning those titles? Bringing up MJ to defend Kobe makes no sense because Jordan, even though Pippen had great moments (like Kobe), never wasn’t dominant in all 6 of his Finals appearances. No losses. Pure dominance. Shaq played that role full time. Not Kobe. Kobe was Scottie Pippen to Shaq’s Jordan. And Scottie played a better overall floor game behind MJ than Kobe did playing behind Shaq. Check the stats. It’s all there.

  • The Seed

    For those who think Kobe just set around when Shaq won the first
    three rings. CHECK THE STATS I had to educate some other dudes a while back,heres the STATS. LOL KOBE WAD PIPPEN
    NBA PLAYOFF NUMBERS TOGETHER< LOL< LOL

    Shaq 99-00 30 3 15

    Kobe 99-00 21 5 5

    Shaq 00-01 30 3 15

    Kobe 00-01 30 6 7

    Shaq 01-02 29 3 13

    Kobe 01-02 27 5 6

    Shaq 02-03 27 4 15

    Kobe 02-03 32 5 5

    Shaq 03-04 22 2 13

    Kobe 03-04 25 6 5

    Those are each year compare in playoff career stats and aver the 03/04 year Shaq never averaged over 20ppg ever again in the Playoffs and Kobe after 03/04 has averaged 30ppg since. KOBE is top 5 ALL TIME.

    KOBE has hit more GAME WINNERS than anyone in the HISTORY OF THE NBA. ALso alot of anylst and Phil Jackson has stated Kobe has a better pure shot than MJ, and is a better 3 point shooter. ALso MJ defense was overrated because I remember slow Magic Johnson torching MJ and Pippen had to guardhim. Also people forget alot of times during the first three rings. Kobe guarded the other teams best player and had the ball most the time in the 4th qtr because Shaq
    could not hit free throws. CHECK THE STATS< I JUST GAVE THEM TO YOU

  • The Seed

    Shaq did not dominate eveyone, if he did. Lakers would have more rings. Tim outplayed Shaq alot, cat, go research, please. I can put the information up, like I did for Kevin Johnson. LOL, yall forget Shaq sucked in the 4th qtr on free throws. Go check his 4th qtr free throw percentage. LOL I will put it up, if you act like I am lieing.

  • MasterSplinter

    Basically what you are saying is that a legacy is defined by a scoring average and shot attempts, and not winning championships and being a crucial ingredient to a potential dynasty. I’m a Lakers fan, but The Seed is horrid. I would not want your mindset on my team.

  • The Philosopher

    Just imagine if The King was the sidekick to Shaq in those days…
    That is all.

  • The Seed

    For those who think Kobe just set around when Shaq won the first
    three rings. CHECK THE STATS I had to educate some other dudes a while back,heres the STATS. LOL KOBE WAD PIPPEN
    NBA PLAYOFF NUMBERS TOGETHER< LOL< LOL

    Shaq 99-00 30 3 15

    Kobe 99-00 21 5 5

    Shaq 00-01 30 3 15

    Kobe 00-01 30 6 7

    Shaq 01-02 29 3 13

    Kobe 01-02 27 5 6

    Shaq 02-03 27 4 15

    Kobe 02-03 32 5 5

    Shaq 03-04 22 2 13

    Kobe 03-04 25 6 5

    Those are each year compare in playoff career stats and aver the
    03/04 year Shaq never averaged over 20ppg ever again in the Playoffs and
    Kobe after 03/04 has averaged 30ppg since. KOBE is top 5 ALL TIME.

    KOBE has hit more GAME WINNERS than anyone in the HISTORY OF THE NBA.
    ALso alot of anylst and Phil Jackson has stated Kobe has a better
    pure shot than MJ, and is a better 3 point shooter. ALso MJ defense was
    overrated because I remember slow Magic Johnson torching MJ and Pippen
    had to guardhim. Also people forget alot of times during the first
    three rings. Kobe guarded the other teams best player and had the ball
    most the time in the 4th qtr because Shaq
    could not hit free throws. CHECK THE STATS< I JUST GAVE THEM TO YOU

  • The Philosopher

    And to support that statement;
    Phil Jackson, arguably, the Greatest Coach in NBA History, has lamented to the masses concerning the game of Kobe Bryant. Stating how he wish(ed) that Kobe Bryant’s game was more similar to The King’s game.
    In my opinion, Jackson saying this so openly, and so candidly for the entire world to ingest, is an indication that Jackson believes that those Laker teams would have had more success, had Kobe Bryant played more like… THE KING.

  • Caboose

    The current version of LeBron who has an outside shot or the younger one who wouldn’t necessarily blend well with Shaq?

  • The Philosopher

    It really would not matter.
    The reason being that, The King’s game is so multi-faceted, so versatile, and he is such a good and willing passer…
    Along with Shaq’s dominance, I mean, we’re looking at one of the great dynasties in the History of the League, potentially.
    And now that The King’s game has evolved…
    Wouldn’t be surprised if they changed the rules, again.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Going to need proof on that comment about Kobe hitting more game winners than anyone in the history of basketball. Definitely going to need to see those stats. Kobe’s defense is more overrated than Jordan’s was (if Jordan’s defense was overrated at all). By a long shot. No one is saying Kobe just sat around. But those teams belonged to Shaq. There’s just no way around it. Kobe was 1B. Jordan was always 1 though in Chicago. Scottie was clearly 2. That’s the difference. One thing you didn’t mention about that 03-04 season is how badly Kobe shot. To the point where he shot them out of the series against the Pistons. Also your excitement says a lot about you and how unclear your thinking is with this.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    This is what a good Lakers fan sounds like.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    The Lakers had 3 out of 4 with Shaq leading the way and the one they lost wasn’t because of him. Do you know what would have kept Shaq in LA and given them the opportunity to go for more championships? Kobe not shooting so much and causing Dr. Buss to make a decision between he and Shaq. The information you gave said absolutely nothing. You had no analysis of it. You just put the stats there. And laughed. With your Caps Lock button on.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Great job with Copy and Paste. Still no real substance from you. At all.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    He wanted Kobe to be more like Scottie Pippen. He said it in an interview a few months ago. He tried to get him to play a balanced game. Didn’t work. He said LeBron does play that way. Which makes it easier for everyone around him.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Shaq and any superstar guard/wing player would have been a dynasty. He and Iverson would have been impossible. He and T-Mac too.

  • The Philosopher

    Definitely arguable. Especially since Shaq was that dominant.

  • The Seed

    I put this together got Stats, knew you would not have comeback. THanks fake KJ.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    You just picked out stats. Nothing more. Look at Shaq’s numbers. 30 and 15, 30 and 15, 29 and 13, 27 and 15 and 22 and 13 (in 03-04 with Kobe shooting bad shots all over the place especially in the Finals). Compare that to Kobe’s numbers. They’re not equal. I really don’t see how hard it is to see this. Fairly simple.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Impossible to stop. Imagine Iverson (who no one could stay in front of) having Shaq down low. If you would have traded Mutombo for Shaq in those 00-01 Finals between the Sixers and Lakers, I don’t think Kobe gets 1 game against Shaq and AI.

  • Slick Ric

    Lebron choked as a sidekick though………..

  • http://www.facebook.com/qcollingwood Interdico Scriptor

    Kyrie, my fav point in the game (behind CP3). Ballers gotta earn my respect, and Kyrie has done that. LBJ and Kobe have not.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    What? Who has he ever been a sidekick to? No one. Since he’s been in the league, he’s been the best player on his team. So what exactly are you talking about? He choked as the best player on his team twice. Once in 2010 against the Celtics in Game 5 and throughout the 2011 Finals. Other than that, he’s been dominant in the playoffs.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    No player has to earn your respect. Kobe is the 2nd greatest two guard of all-time. LeBron is the best player in the world and is on his way to being a top 5 player of all-time. So your respect isn’t needed to validate them and their careers. What kind of basketball fan even thinks to say that LeBron and Kobe haven’t earned their respect? Pretty lame.

  • Irishway’s

    This guy is money on 2k13…. Anyone that calls out Kobe on all is Bs is ok by me…

  • Happy

    LOL Lebron was the best player on that team for the whole season. Smells like the comment of a hater.

  • Happy

    You know what your respect means for their legacies? NOTHING! lmao

  • z

    Thing is you can subtract the three rings he got as a sidekick and he’s still got more rings than bron…y’all bron fans need to just give bron a chance to prove he belongs in the convo as far as all time legacy goes because you make yourselves look ridiculous when you say stuff like “bron could still be in Cleveland, ringless, and he’d have a better legacy than kobe.” Can’t take ppl who believe that seriously, sorry, but your bias is too obvious

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    all versions of LeBron would fit better with Shaq than Kobe did. At least until the last 2 minutes of a game.

  • Caboose

    Well, I’d probably take 04-06 Kobe over rookie LeBron, but after that…yeah. All Bron Bron.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ok, lol, i should have said, 2007 & later LeBron.

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    we’ll see if he stays when he becomes a unrestricted free agent

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    i see kobe put up more points in the finals they lost,

  • http://twitter.com/Jzakoni Sanchez

    i wanna see that proof too

  • LakeShow

    MJ would have been Shaq’s side kick.

  • rkirby

    One could argue that Scottie Pippen was better at his position than Shaq was at his. Let’s also look at the fact that Jordan won three of his rings while teammates with Scottie Pippen and the greatest rebounder and all-around defender of all time. Kobe went 5/7 in the finals…one of those finals, Vladimir Radmonovic was the starting pf, Ariza the sf, vujacic and farmar were getting heavy play. The “he only won rings with Shaq/Pau” argument is on another level of corny at this point. Kyrie’s a beast too though

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    Once LeBron gets more than 2 rings, I’m sure a lot of people will act like Kobe’s so much better because he has 5. LeBron only needs 3 or 4 to be considered better than Kobe to me because he’ll get them all while being the best player on his team and still probably being a 26, 7 and 7 kind of player. I didn’t say LeBron would still have a better legacy regardless of where he was. Learn to read. I said he would still be a better player which he would be. He has been for 5 years.

  • Beastofdeast

    I’m glad this happened on westbrook. That should bring this selfish dude down to earth. I used to defend the guy but after that gimmick he pulled with Thabo. I’m glad Kyrie took him to school and no 1 of the OKC players came to help apart from Ibaka.

  • KevinJohnsonFan

    ….Kobe never played in the Finals with Radmonovic as his starting PF. Did you even watch? Pau Gasol was his starting PF in his last 2 championship seasons and while Shaq was there, his starting PFs were A.C. Green, Horace Grant, Robert Horry, and old Karl Malone. The “he only won rings with Shaq/Pau” argument is actually true. Not corny. Did he not play with those players? He was the best player on the back-to-back 08-09/10-11 championship teams. Scottie was a better SF than Shaq was a Center? Exactly what do you mean by that? The most important fact that needs to be looked at when talking about Jordan is he was the best player on the floor at all times in the Finals. 6 for 6.

  • Happy

    Check the stats on the Lakers/Pistons Finals, when Kobe torpedoed the Lakers’ chance to win a ring. Now those are some interesting stats.

  • Happy

    MJ was better than Kobe. You said that like they are equal. It would have been a lot more even in terms of who would have been “the man”. I can’t see MJ shooting them out of a series either, like Kobe did in ’04.

  • Happy

    He’d have one more, and Lebron still would have the better career. One less ring with more time and more of a chance to surpass Kobe in rings. You know Kobe isn’t winning another with KD and Lebron in their primes. Let’s face it.

  • Happy

    If one could argue that, they would hence your lack of explanation. They can’t. Why? Because as great as a perimeter defender as Scottie was, it doesn’t compare to the burden big dominant Shaq took off of his entire team. Teams focused on stopping Shaq and Michael, not Pippen.

  • LakeShow

    No I didn’t say it like that. You read it like that.

    A SG is never “the man” when there is a MDE in the building.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i agree Shaq would have been the focal point of the offense. But i don’t think it would have been anything but Jordan’s team. He was much to dominant and intense a personality.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    but HEY! read this, it pertains to our argument last week,

    .here —-> http://cbsprt.co/XFdCxG

  • LakeShow

    I disagree, but understand your perspective.
    I’ll check out that article in a moment.

  • LakeShow

    Interesting stuff.

    I can dig.

    I just don’t put to much merit behind anything that says that Westbrook is a better offensive player than Durant.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he isn’t saying that. actually read it.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah, your right, I didn’t say that correctly.

    What I mean to say is that I can’t get behind this because it doesn’t add up to me.

    It favors a player for having allot of assists too much for what I liken offensive ability to be. I don’t find a player who can pass the ball to the open man to be a better player than the one who puts it through the hoop.

    This article and statistic use puts allot of favor offensively on the player that passes the ball to a scoring team mate. Which I don’t disagree with. I just feel it is valuing the assist too highly.

    I know you hate me for this, but it’s how I feel :)

    Thank you for showing that to me though. Keep em coming.

    Looking at the forecast and it’s gunna be nearly freezing in Tucson at night this weekend. I better bring a coat. I’ll be rolling in wednesday, hella excited to check out earths bum.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    ACTUALLY READ IT.

    .

    “But if we move past the complications of the assists question, it’s impossible to ignore Kevin Durant and Carmelo Anthony, based on scoring production alone. After all, their own scoring doesn’t present the complications of teammates that can score off their passes, and they’re the central scoring options on two of the best offenses in the league.”

    .

    “If we examine some of the scorer-defining play sets through Synergy, though, there are some interesting results. Durant is actually a better post scorer than you’d expect, as he has transformed his game this season. He’s second among all post scorers with 100 possessions behind Kobe Bryant.

    But isolation, which is unquestionably the most direct indication of a player’s scoring ability off the dribble, James actually lands higher among scorers with 100 possessions or more. Irving leads all players in that area, with O.J. Mayo and Jamal Crawford along with Damian Lillard in the top five”

    .

    I mean it clearly states that assists are over valued and complicated.

    .
    The only “big assist” guy on his actual top 5 is Chris Paul. Kevin Durant and Kobe Bryant on the other hand both show up in the top 5, along with Tony Parker.
    .
    I wanted you to see the Kevin Durant/LeBron James portions of that article. – which pertained to our conversation last week. – not just the assist thing that you got all hung up on in that conversation.

  • LakeShow

    gotcha

  • z

    That’s actually EXACTLY what you said, dumbass. Learn to articulate what you’re trying (and failing, apparently) to express.

  • MasterSplinter

    This video is awesome. Kyrie reminds me of Chris Paul. He is really good, I remember back when he was at Duke, nobody had really seen him play, and when he was coming back from injury during the NCAA tournament, he started and played a lot, Coach K was getting a lot of flak, and he simply said “Kyrie is really that good, people just haven’t seen him play very much.” If he gets some talent around him, he is really going to make some noise.

  • MasterSplinter

    Just the fact that Interdico said Kyrie has earned his respect, and Kobe and Lebron have not is pretty entertaining. Lebron and Kobe have won championships, have gold medals, have been 1st team all NBA and been on the all-nba defensive team. Oh by the way, they came in to the league out of high school. Kyrie has done waaaaaaay more than that right? he does have game for sure, but common man…

  • Mack

    Where has LeBron been a sidekick? LeBron is the man no matter where he goes.

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