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Wednesday, May 22nd, 2013 at 9:30 am  |  67 responses

Tony Allen Flops to Get Flagrant Foul Called on Manu Ginobili (VIDEO)

TA sold it a little too much.

Given that he was yanked out of the air by Manu Ginobili, and in a clearly vulnerable position, Tony Allen likely would’ve earned himself free throws and an extra possession regardless. But, TA cleverly made sure to exaggerate the fall to sell the refs on the severity of the foul which helped push Game 2 into overtime. Per the Express-News: “Manu Ginobili’s flagrant foul on Tony Allen in the dying seconds of regulation was perhaps the pivotal play of the game. Allen obviously made a meal of it, holding his head while writhing on the ground despite never having made contact. But that almost seemed poetic justice considering Ginobili has made a career selling such fouls. [...] ‘It’s a tough call for the officials,’ Tim Duncan said. ‘I think Tony tried to sell it more than anything. I thought Manu did the right thing, prevented the layup, and you just have to let the referees call what they’re going to call.’ Said Allen, ‘Yes, most definitely (it was flagrant). He cannot pull me out of the air.’”

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  • danpowers

    when i saw that i instantly lost all my respect for him. smh

  • http://www.facebook.com/sajjatam Sajjatam Tp Kulsomboon

    Maybe Manu farted or something and the smell really burned.

    I dunno. Let’s be creative.

  • danpowers

    lol

  • pposse

    sooo..thats a flop but when LBJ went sliding and got Mohammed ejected its not a flop…way to be consistent

  • Mike Mihalow

    That sh!t was pathetic. Allen went squirming to the ground like Glass Joe getting knocked out in Mine Tyson’s Punchout. Line Van Gundy said, it wasn’t even a flagrant, just a flop.
    Alternate title: Tony Allen’s Late Flop Forces Overtime.

  • Max

    The first part wasn’t a flop, so it’s the ‘omg there is Manu gas in my face’ part that gets called a flop?

  • bike

    Always wondered how much post-foul antics actually influence the call by officials.

  • http://www.facebook.com/devin.williams1 Dev

    Fine coming soon

  • Fat Lever

    This is the poetic justice Kendrick was talking about.

  • Dagger

    A common rule with sports injuries: the more hurt you are, the less you move.

  • Lloyd

    Manu: “So that’s what that feels like…”

  • Caboose

    If the refs hadn’t been able to review, I can see why MAYBE they’d call flagrant. But after watching it? You seriously think that’s a flagrant? Utterly pathetic. The era of hard fouls is completely dead.

  • Caboose

    Shout out to Bruce Wayne.

  • mike

    despite all the acting in the end… This is consistent of what they call a flagrant foul these days… take in consideration the height, follow through, and the speed they were going. Right call by the officials , that is just how it is now

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    no. Manu grabbed Tony on the arm/wrist while he was attempting a layup. That is a foul on the ball. The fact that Tony fell is why there was a flagrant. It had nothing to do with the actual foul.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah that essentially is what sold the foul as a flagrant. Other than that it was a foul on his shooting arm while attempting a layup.
    .
    How hard someone falls does not make a foul a flagrant. People here need to be reminded of this for some reason. Manu doesn’t control gravity. He fouled Tony on the arm. And he didn’t let him get a shot attempt up. He didn’t pull his arm, he didn’t shove Allen, or purposefully trip him, he grabbed his arm on a layup attempt. The rest of it was gravity and acting classes.

  • Mike Mihalow

    You nailed it.
    Shouldn’t Allen have been forced out of the game for concussion testing? Does this mean he misses the next game?
    Chris Paul just got some serious competition for the Derek Fisher Flop of the Year award.

  • Mike Mihalow

    Well he is Batman

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Tony Allen will get fined. That’s all that will happen here. They can’t punish a guy for flopping during a game. So there is nothing they could really do yesterday other than let Allen’s actions influence their call. Which it did.

  • speedy

    How can you compare this acting job by Tony with the fall of LeBron after getting pushed with both arms.
    You clearly don’t want to see the difference.

  • http://twitter.com/_DFrance DFrance

    To me, it looks like Manu definitely pulled him down. Look at the 44 sec mark, you can see Manu plant and pull Tony to the ground. He’s just so crafty he played it off as just a natural follow through. I think by today’s standard, him not really going for the ball plus the extra pull earns him a flagrant. It was one hell of an acting job tho.

  • Max

    I think it’s normal he fell, just the way he acted afterwards was bad.

  • underdog

    Looks like Tony is in the nba all-flop first team too.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i know he pulled Tony’s arm down. But Tony embellished it. I don’t really worry about how they call fouls now a days, i just think of whether or not that qualifies as a flagrant in my opinion. And it really does not. That’s how i was taught to foul lol

  • Mike Mihalow

    I meant punish him for having a concussion, like George Hill got in the Knicks series, having to miss a game.
    And didn’t the new flopping rules mean they can fine/suspend people for flopping too often? I know its just one flop, but if a flop deserved a suspension, it was this one. It turned the game around.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    they can suspend him eventually. but they have to fine him a few times first.
    .
    they can’t just say you have to sit out for a concussion because we thought you had one. lol.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    exactly, i don’t see how you guys don’t see that Manu pulled his arm down and had absolutely NO chance of making a legit attempt on the ball……..just forget the break dancing on the floor, the fall was real….snagged his arm from behind too, and held on to it…thats a 2013 fragrant foul..right call……..

    Also, a normal foul would have been an “and 1″ because theres no way ginobli could have stopped that layup without flagrant fouling…

  • robb

    Soccer style flop. No need for that Tony.

  • playa

    Tony Allen the soccer player

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    I agree with DF and LP, grabbing someone’s wrist while they are going full speed and in mid-flight (on a breakaway) and holding on and swiping downward (watch the crafty follow-through) is a flagrant to me.

    Watching the play over and over, I think it’s safe to say that regardless of who’s attempting that layup (Lebron, Westbrook, even Dwight Howard), landing on your feet after a foul like that would be damn near impossible.

    And to those who are saying they’ve lost respect for Tony Allen for selling the foul, you’re down 4 POINTS in the Semi-finals with 27 seconds to go in the 4th quarter!!!

    Was it a bit much? Sure, but it gave his team a chance to steal a game on the road. If he doesn’t act like he got shot, the Grizz don’t force overtime. Period.

  • pposse

    you clearly didn’t see this play live; Ginobli grabbed and YANKED TA to the floor from behind. The fact that Allen was aware enough to break his fall with his arm, which he could have easily broken stil has nothing to do with the fact that Ginobli didn’t make a basketball play. Ginobli would have gotten snuffed if he ever tried that stupid play anywhere else. That was dangerous and foolish, they should redefine what a clear path foul is, cause TA was a clear path away from a layup/dunk.

    I compared the acting job, cause TA held his head like he got hit in the head the same way Lebron decided to slide 3 extra feet on the ground.

  • pposse

    he didnt grab, he yanked, he followed through on his grab to tony allens wrist. if you are trying to block a basketball you do it with an open palm, ginobli’s palm closed then he pulled him down in midflight from behind, thats a flagrant foul.

  • speedy

    LeBron ‘decided’ to slide 3 extra feet? So he took a run-up before getting pushed?
    I don’t argue,that this was a hard foul/ flagrant foul by Ginobili, but he went at least in direction of the ball and just made sure, that Tony doesn’t has a chance of scoring. Nazr just went at LeBron after the whistle. See the difference??

  • pposse

    when it comes to flopping? which is clearly what my initial gripe was about? no i do not see one difference in Lebron’s flop job and Tony Allens, they both flopped. Sure the intent from Ginobli and Nazr were completely different, i agree with that; but you see how the perception of what a flop is changes as soon as certain players are mentioned and put in the same category as others?

  • http://twitter.com/_DFrance DFrance

    He embellished the result of the pull down, but him crashing to the ground that way was legit. I think it was an extremely dangerous play by Manu, I fractured my wrist on a similar pull down. I’m surprised Tony didn’t hurt his hands bracing the way he did.

    And if that’s how you were taught to foul, remind me to pull up if youre ever chasing me on a breakaway. Lol

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    that’s not a flagrant foul. there is no rule that says closing your hand around a players shooting arm is a flagrant foul. there was no malicious intent. there was no play off the ball. there was no intimidation. there was no flagrant foul.

  • speedy

    Am I right, that in your opinion Manu wouldn’t have been ejected after pushing Tony Allen to the floor the way Nazr pushed LeBron.
    And I think you are right, as soon, as LeBron is mentioned your perception of what a flop is changes.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    generally i get my arm across a guys body before he leaves the ground. but in general, we were taught no matter what, to foul on the shooting arm and not let him attempt a shot. That’s what Manu did. Maybe a little too aggressively, but not to the point of deserving a flagrant, imo.

  • pposse

    in both instances Tony Allen and Lebron flopped to get a beneficial call; am i more pissed about Lebron’s antics, yes ofcourse. Even still the referees could have reversed the flagrant on Manu, they saw the replay! Since they seen the replay they could have 1. seen TA didn’t hit his head at all and 2. downgrade the call

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    I think that’s the diference. There’s fouling with with one arm across the body and the other wrapping for safety before he leaves the ground, and then there’s grabbing his wrist and pulling downwards while a player is in midflight.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i understand the difference. i just don’t think that is enough to elicit a flagrant. especially with TA making it SOO dramatic.

  • Da-Meat-Hook

    I completely agree with everyone that says TA should be fined.

    But I can also see why the refs called the flagrant regardless of TA’s extra antics.

  • speedy

    Not really flops. One got pushed, the other one got pulled down.
    They were just selling fouls. Tony Allen clearly more than LeBron.

  • Ed in CA

    In Game 1 Tony Allen intentionally threw a leg out to trip Tony Parker. No flagrant foul called…play on. Game 2 he flops like a fish to get a flagrant foul. I’d better see at a minimum a steep fine announced today because there darn well should have been one after Game 1.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=8315499 Marilyn Dubinski

    manu has never squirmed on the ground like he was hurt to sell a foul. allen’s just a baby and is lucky he wasn’t called for a flagrant in game 1 for intentially tripping tony parker. manu was actually on the receiving end of the same type of foul in the last series (pulled out of mid air by the arm), and the announcers were saying the only reason that player wasn’t called for a flagrant was because manu landed on his feet, so that’s an example of what falling down, squirming and flopping around like a guppy can do to influence the refs.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tuotila1 Tuomas Uotila

    Excessive force and in itself a dangerous too-late play, given the fact that TA has already left his feet? Absolutely. No intention of making a play on the ball, although that actually isn’t a factor in the call? Absolutely.

    That being said: TA better be fined. Vintage Rivaldo. Pisses me off.

  • RayJr

    The Spurs flop and complain just about every other play. I guess everyone is just used to them doing it.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Ahh, now once guys have left their feet you have to just let them go in general? And you can’t say he definitely didn’t make a play on the ball (he probably didn’t), he’s close enough to the ball to warrant doubt either way.
    .
    - The only question is: Was Manu holding onto Tony’s arm excessive or not?
    .
    That’s it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tuotila1 Tuomas Uotila

    Weeell, there’s a bit more in between just letting someone go and intentionally yanking him down from the arm, (from almost elbow level in the end). Don’t think Manu really intended it that way, just to foul the guy intentionally but even he seemed to realize that he was too late and the play was dangerous. But whatever, agree on the last part.

    The biggest issue is the acting job. Always hated that in soccer, always will hate that in basketball.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he isn’t yanking Allen down, he is yanking the shooting arm down. TA just kept it flexed instead of just trying to finish the layup with his right hand. TA made it as bad as it was. That’s how i see it. And then he embellished it and made it fictionally awful.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tuotila1 Tuomas Uotila

    TA went up with both hands on the ball, he didn’t have a chance to just switch to one hand that quickly, in the end he’s forced to and the ball falls out of bounds. You’re not seriously suggesting that he knew and was somehow responsible for Manu just grabbing his arm and – yes – yanking him down? It’s real until the crap TA pulls while falling down and on the ground. And shoulda been a flagrant anyway, in my opinion. But we can disagree all day. I just want the fine.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    LOL no i’m not saying it’s somehow Tony Allen’s part. I’m saying it was so bad because he tried to break through the contact. Not saying he had time to contemplate the right decision or anything. That’s just what happened.
    .
    I am not defending Manu, it’s a hard foul that is undeniable. I just don’t think it warrants a flagrant.

  • http://twitter.com/apowellAdvocate Allen Powell II

    Did he even hit his head? I couldn’t see where he hit his head.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he did not at all touch his head on the ground during the fall.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tuotila1 Tuomas Uotila

    Fair enough. Someone fouls me like that, there’s a problem. However, there’s not gonna be crying and rolling on the floor if not even a bit injured. I swear the more I look, the more I remember Rivaldo. God was I sick of that guy.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    someone fouls me like that at the end of a tight playoff game? I’ma just go calmly knock down the free throws and smile at him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tuotila1 Tuomas Uotila

    …And get the extra possession :)

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    nah, there wouldn’t have been a flagrant.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tuotila1 Tuomas Uotila

    I quit. At least the Spurs won.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    haha sorry, i can’t leave my opinion that the reaction is what elicited the flagrant

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  • http://twitter.com/Esquire_J Esquire J

    I went to high school with Tony so funny to see him in this series flopping like that but we did have theater class and he did come to that everyday so it explains it all

  • tnrc75

    He pulled him pretty good when TA goin’ a good pace. I think that’s a fair call.

  • tnrc75

    He grabbed and held on for a while till he went down and so TA went down harder than you’d expect. At that pace that is a bit dangerous.

  • tnrc75

    He was going fast in the open court and Manu grabbed and held on for a while. That could be interpreted to be a dangerous play. He could be judged to have had malicious intent.

  • tnrc75

    Right…TA’s arm isn’t going to be part of his body that’ll get him pulled down…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i never said that.

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