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Friday, July 19th, 2013 at 10:55 am  |  143 responses

Charles Barkley Agrees With Verdict in George Zimmerman Case (VIDEO)

Unlike most NBA players who went public with their thoughts on the controversial George Zimmerman trial, Hall of Famer and outspoken TV analyst Charles Barkley says he’s in agreement with the outcome of the verdict. Per CNBC (via Mediaite): “I agree with the verdict,’ Barkley said. ‘’m sorry that young kid got killed, but they didn’t have enough evidence to charge him.’ Barkley admitted that he did see some ‘racial profiling’ in the case, but said ‘something happened that changed the dynamic that night.’ He recognized what he was saying was ‘probably not a popular opinion among most people,’ but ‘looking at the evidence’ he said he agreed with the jury’s decision. He also called out the media for not having a ‘pure heart’ when it comes to race. ‘Racism is wrong in any, shape or form,’ Barkley said. ‘A lot of black people are racist too. I think sometimes when people talk about racism, they say only white people are racist, but I think black people are too. I don’t think the media has clean hands.’ Despite Zimmerman’s ‘racial profiling,’ in Barkley’s assessment, ‘Trayvon Martin, God rest his soul, he did flip the switch and start beating the hell out of Mr. Zimmerman.’ He added that he ‘feels bad’ that the trial gave ‘every white person and black person who is racist the platform to vent their ignorance. That’s the thing that bothered me the most. I watched this trial closely. I watched these people on television talking about it. A lot of these people have a hidden agenda. They want to have their racist views, whether they are white or black… They’re biases come out.’”

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  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    lol

  • mike

    turrible…

  • ThaWindy

    Evidence didn’t show that TM was beating the “hell” out of GZ. GZ had no black eyes, concussion, broken nose, or broken anything! Just scraps and bruises from him being the aggressor. Evidence did show a kid doing everything he could to avoid a grown ass man stalking him on his way home. A man with a concealed weapon!…But whatever.

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson
  • DK

    It troubles me that Zimmerman was told to leave the kid alone basically. I believe he went home and beat himself up a little (like the woman on A Thin Line Between Love and Hate)… sad day no matter what color the kid is. I’m black I would be just as upset if Trayvon were white, hispanic or whatever. A kid was shot to death man… after walking to the store to get snacks something I did 1,000 times coming up–shame.

  • bike

    Well, Charles is right. Prosecution was persuaded into going
    for 2nd degree murder which set the bar too high considering the
    amount of evidence. What Zimmerman is guilty of, IMO, is bad judgment. He
    should have remained in the car.

  • King David

    F*** Charles Barkley !

  • patrick

    He wasn’t told to leave the kid alone tho basically. What he was told was literally, by the 9/11 operator, that “we just don’t need you to do that.” She didn’t give him an order to not do it. It mite be how they operate i wonder for legal liability reasons.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    he’s guilty of being a racist white pr!ck, a self-appointed vigilante who murdered a child who he stalked.

  • DK

    We just don’t need you to do that equals what to you? lol

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Wow, f*ck Charles Barkley. The media loves parading these spineless self-hating POC to make white people feel better about themselves. This guy is clueless as he is sh!tty at golf.

  • ChiTown Fan

    His life is over same way Trayvon’s life is over. He sleeps in a vest and won’t dare show his face outdoors. He will always be in jail. Minus the bars.

    Barkley was being objective. Second degree murder was a STRETCH. Manslaughter would have been the charge that made sense. But the “stand your ground” BS even made that a stretch. THE LAW FAILED TRAYVON.

    Same way the gun companies lobbied to get this law passed. There should be a lobby the other way around. To get this law repealed at the federal level. Cuz there are 20 other states with this same type of law. $100 from each person against it to raise funds for a lobbyist group. We can be pissed all we want but if we want it to change we need to play the game the way its played and see if we can win.

    Imagine if 1 million people against it put up $100? $100 million to lobby with. Why can’t we do it?

  • john

    This was a great video. And for people who don’t want to watch it, you really should. The Zimmerman trial really wasn’t the focus of the video, it’s only in like the last minute or two, the rest is funny.

  • bike

    That’s one way of looking at it. Why no mention of Zimmerman’s Hispanic component?

  • Chessmack

    Wow, charles Barkley opposite of the dumb athlete, not broke, investing and quick witted. I bet Latrell Sprewell is out in some mob protesting the verdict. So glad he brought out that blacks are racist too, I know because I use to be one when I was younger and it screwed me up and I don’t want young black kids going down that road. There are so many wonderful white people out there that have helped me even when I was a racist, white cops who showed me love and let me go when they could have taken my dumbass to jail. There are some racists I am sure but whites I have met have been either exceptionally great people and I mean exceptional or at the worst just regular.

  • Caboose

    There’s a word for that…Uncle Tom.

  • KingBenjamin

    What are you talking about his life is over? Zimmerman’s life isn’t over, it’s just beginning. After this trial he is going to become filthy rich, he’s going to be paid for interviews, he’s going to be paid to write a book, and finally he’s going to be paid for letting Hollywood make a film about him. He’ll be able to step out, it’s just that he’ll have as much security around him as the president.

    Only reason Zimmerman won this trial was the simple fact that white conservatives supported Zimmerman financially by giving him one of the best lawyers in the U.S., had he not received any support from racist white conservative Republicans he would have been guilty of First degree murder without a doubt.

    As for changing the “Stand your ground law” it won’t happen. The wealthy run this country and it doesn’t matter how much money is raised to get the law repealed it simply won’t happen, same as the Gun Laws in the U.S. they’ll always be around because of the conservatives that run this country.

  • Anthony

    Once again CB34 proves…. HE IS NOT A ROLE MODEL…

  • neaorin

    Despite all the rightful calls to get rid of this law, Stand Your Ground was not actually used in Zimmerman’s case. He went for classic self-defense.

  • Cortez Mack

    George Zimmerman is about as “Hispanic” as I am (that is, not much). I have never seen a white guy try so hard to run away from being white in my life.

    Three more points besides that.

    1. “Hispanic” is not a race.

    2. Even if it was, Hispanic refers to someone with a lineage to Spain. Spain is in Europe. Europe is home of the “white” race.

    3. Even if 2. is not true that would not negate the “racial bias” part. He is still a different “race” that Martin.

    Side note: I do not buy this whole “race” theory in the first place. We have a groups humans with different features.

  • pposse

    i call bs

  • http://www.netstakeover.com/ JetSkiJohnson

    It gets worse when Zimmerman feels it was “Gods Plan”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i mean, of the charges presented, there was just 0% chance of Zimmerman being convicted. he’s guilty of a crime, that is for certain. He just can’t be proven guilty of Second Degree Murder, thus he was considered, by the eyes of the law, to be innocent. Barkley is as much of an idiot as there can be, but in a way he’s right, this really is about a trial fumbled away by an ill equipped prosecution, not about the media making a race story out of one that didn’t exist.

  • Layvon Barton

    You are part of the problem. He had a broken nose and a busted head. Get out of your own way and educate yourself. Trayvon wasn’t as innocent as the racist black liberal media wants him to be, not even on his best day it seems. Read the crime reports about who commits the most crime in this country. Actually you don’t even have to read a report, just look around and think for yourself. I know it will feel odd at first because you obviously aren’t used to it, but once you get the hang of it you will feel great and realize how much of a puppet you used to be.

  • Truth

    And therein lies the recipe for the continued problem. Good job, moron.

  • http://soundcloud.com/tray-8 T-Ray

    I thought the correct term was “Sambo”?

  • Cortez Mack

    “…he did flip the switch and start beating the hell out of Mr. Zimmerman.”

    According to who? Oh yeah…Mr. Zimmerman. Fortunately for him, he killed the only other witness.

    The very same witness who was.

    Not committing any crimes…
    Walking home minding his own business…
    Eating skittles…
    Talking on the phone…

    Even if Travon did attack him, let’s all remember that he attacked an armed stalker who’s story was that Travon was “running” away from him. Then, for some odd reason, started pursuing him, hid behind a bush (while pursuing him?), jumped out and smashed his head into the concrete.

    If anyone believes this, you are just as ignorant as Barkley (who is pretty ignorant on most things other than dribbling a ball).

  • Rodriguez

    If “African-American” can be used (as laughable of a term as that is), then for crying out loud so can “Hispanic”.

  • shockexchange

    As the theme from “Jeopardy” plays ad infinitum …

  • pposse

    it wasn’t on the latest census bureau (hispanic being a race). Most hispanic people in my area were voluntarily filling out their race as ‘white’ (the ones i interviewed)

  • ChosenOne

    ^Co-sign.. and when the phrase “Uncle Tom” is still used, then there is a serious problem.

  • bike

    I have been wondering what is the correct way to refer to someone of mixed race. Zimmerman’s mom is Peruvian…so is a reference to Hispanic not correct? All I have seen so far is different interpretations of the term. The census bureau doesn’t recognize Hispanic as a race. The most popular term seems to be ‘white Hispanic’.

    Just find it interesting that a trial where everyone is screaming about race, there doesn’t seem to be consensus on how to refer to the person who just got acquitted. Whatever.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Ah, and another white man’s feelings are hurt, thus the death of an innocent black teen doesn’t matter. White feels > Racist violence, apparently.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    The whole system itself is the problem, not just the laws, not just the prosecution, not just the way the case was presented, etc. The whole “justice” system is racist to the core.

    The prosecution has been accused of throwing the case though.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Zimmerman is half-Peruvian, but do you really think he got acquitted because of that, because he was brown? You really think the criminal “justice” system somehow favors Latinos?

    He was acquitted because he “earned his stripes” in white America through the murder and criminalization of black youth. He was judged by the court as a white man by virtue of his crime, self-perception (he considered himself white), and because his actions aligned with those of white supremacy.

    This all points to the fickleness of whiteness itself; throughout America’s history, various groups who were once discriminated against because they weren’t deemed “good enough” to be white, were later assimilated and accepted into whiteness (the Italians and Irish, for example).

    Had Zimmerman murdered a white teen, the court would have seen him as Latino (not white), and they would’ve fried his @ss in prison. The color of the victim is what determined whether or not Zimmerman is white according to US “justice”.

  • ChosenOne

    You’re right to some degree, but what I don’t understand is why you have to label Charles “spineless” and “self-hating”?? Why, just cause he’s black, he has to “stick up for his people.” That in itself is racist. But the “justice” system is f*cked up, that is where I agree with you…

  • Cortez Mack

    I did not say Hispanic is not a valid term.

    I said Hispanic refers to people with an origin from Spain. Spain is in Europe. People from Europe are “white”.

    African American refers to American born blacks. Africa is the undisputed origin of black folks (likely all folks).

    Calling George “hispanic” so he can run from being white is laughable.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Malcolm X talked about this kind of media manipulation decades ago (getting a black guy to voice opinions that support white racism). This guy was seriously prophetic… Check this out:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjIX4QMIiOw

  • Datkid

    Trayvon wasnt as innocent as the “racist black liberal media wants him to be”?? HE WAS A KID WALKING HOME WITH SKITTLES AND ICE TEA. Zimmerman on the other hand raped his cousin, beat his wife, and stalked people in his neighborhood with guns you f*ckin idiot. “who commits the most crime in this country??” are you kidding me?!?! if your black your an uncle tom. and if your white your essentially a klan member. Either way I hope someone shoots you right in the chest.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Amen.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    right, the system is the problem. not Charles Barkley. And he sure isn’t an uncle Tom, he’s just ignorant. You don’t say, “f*ck uneducated people” do you?

  • Datkid

    Yup. excellent analysis teddy.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    He’s spineless and self-hating because his position of privilege (relatively speaking) blinds him to the actual realities of most black/brown people in this country.

    Society doesn’t view people most people as individuals, I’m sorry to say. If Chuck wasn’t a world-class athlete he’d be just as criminalized and stereotyped as Travyon was.

  • Datkid

    F*ck you Charles Barkely. Just because that verdict is “legally” defensible doesn’t mean that’s what the jury should have done. and they ignored it largely because they were racist, (watch b37′s interview if you don’t believe me)

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    lmao okay then, the police are just there to help black people by stopping and frisking them. They’re just there to help by shooting them dead.

    $50 says Chessmack is white.

  • bike

    Okay, good enough points. I never said nor thought that either his ‘whiteness or brownness’ had anything to do with his acquittal. I just keep hearing different descriptions of Zimmerman (i.e. white hispanic) and assumed it was due to media spin. Which I think it is.

    I don’t share your views but I respect the various opinions and understand the outrage over the verdict. I followed the trial very closely and felt the verdict was fair based upon the overreaching charge of second degree murder. The prosecution did not have enough evidence IMO.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    As a media personality who is constantly asked his opinion, he really has no excuse. You’re right that the problem is collective as opposed to individual. Charles isn’t THE problem but he’s feeding the problem. Just like Bill Cosby.

    There are lots of people who aren’t educated, yet just don’t have the privilege of being ignorant to racism. Namely, the victims of racism. They feel racism, they understand it better than anybody, because they’re on the receiving end of it.

    So I don’t give white racists a pass because they’re ignorant and I don’t give rich people a pass for being ignorant either; in both cases their ignorance is a reflection of their privilege.

    Charles is privileged financially and accepted into the establishment, which allows him to be ignorant to racial injustice (as long as his face is recognizable).

  • Junior Taylor

    Barkley is right. The state’s case against Zimmerman was weak from the very start due to the extremely foolish and biased “stand your ground” law. The justice system and it’s laws are at fault here.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    *feeding into the problem.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    Wow… You are the only one in America that thinks this. Way to go.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i’m not really arguing with your view (you are right after all), i just think you are being a little extreme. people are a product of their environment. i’m sure Charles has experienced a considerable amount of racism in his life. But not as recently, and since prevalent racism is much less evident, especially for him, inside his little bubble, it’s not surprising that his grasp on reality has grown very ignorant. i think Charles is totally wrong for these comments. 100% wrong. But i’m not going to judge him as a person because of them. As we both have acknowledged, the dude lives in a bubble, he needs someone to remind him, or bring to his attention the umbrella that his comments cover, and the context in which it is being presented at this junction. I’m sure if he truly thought about all of the angles of this story, he wouldn’t be saying this nonsense.

  • RipCity

    4 of the jurors came out and said they did not agree with her statements. The jury must follow the law in their verdict, if there isn’t enough hard evidence you can’t convict someone of murder, even if all the circumstantial evidence points a large neon sign at him saying he did it

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    The jury consisted of old white women. Not a single black person was on that jury…

    Why?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    here is the POV from one of my friends. A well educated, responsible for himself 26 year old Black male who is an intelligent everyday type of dude,

    .

    “here’s the thing. the media was reporting riots in south LA, i know someone that lives in south LA and he said there was no riots. But in any case i never understand why rioting is the answer to anything. then people are talking about vigilante justice, and zimmermans brother is saying he is worried about someone carrying out vigilante justice against his brother….both of those are the personification of irony

    truth is, no one knows for sure what happened, and any sort of violence or emotional reaction isnt going to make anything better”
    .
    How do you feel about that POV?

  • robb

    yeah even one of the jury members said they had no choice but to declare Zimmerman innocent.

  • ChosenOne

    You using the phrase “Uncle Tom” is why racism will continue to emerge throughout society.. smh.
    Using that phrase promotes a degree of separation between black and white. Like, if you’re degrading a black person for agreeing or even liking a white guy, that is supposed to be a bad thing? Because “oh no, he is selling his race out?” Pathetic. It’s just like when Grant Hill went to Duke, and he was labelled that phrase. Sickening. It’s as if races have to “stick to what they do”, and never grow per se.. So if Charles speaks his opinion, no way is he an Uncle Tom for not supporting the black victim. Tbh, Charles was speaking objectively and subjectively (weird as it may sound) when it came to not only this case, but present day society in the US…

  • RipCity

    when they select a jury they have to do their best to find people that have no investment in the case. This was a very high profile case so naturally most people would have strong feelings one way or the other on it. I’m just as pissed as anyone else that Zimmerman got off, I thought he should have gotten a manslaughter charge at the least.

  • robb

    both parts agreed with the selection of that jury

  • pposse

    double that bet

  • robb

    exactly. If you have bad laws, you get unfair verdicts.

  • Datkid

    well A) Juries do just that ALL THE TIME. and B) there is a right thing to do and the legal thing to do. they could’ve done the right thing. they had a choice, just as we all do. and they chose wrong.

  • shockexchange

    Person who consulted the defense on jury selection determined months before the trial what jury profile would most likely render an acquittal. He wanted that jury make up because he knew they would most likely identify with the apparent “fear” Zimmerman felt before he shot Trayvon http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/17/zimmerman-trayvon-martin-jury-consultant-killing-sanford/2530151/ – You couldn’t make this stuff up.

  • Datkid

    are there 2 of you??? I’m so confused.

  • RipCity

    no they don’t. They MUST follow the law as it is written, otherwise Zimmerman gets off on a appeal and probably gets $$$ out of the deal too.

  • ChosenOne

    No, why you say that??

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    A few things… The media didn’t make this about race, in fact the media is constantly trying to obfuscate the obvious white supremacy involved in this case. The reason this case even got any coverage is because of the mass mobilization of African people. It took SIX weeks of protests just to get Zimmerman ARRESTED and brought up on charges! This is not the “media” trying to be divisive, this is the media reluctantly reporting on a story that gained attention through the mass actions of black/brown people who are fed up with being the targets of white supremacy.

    As for your friend’s point: Riots are an expression of the people. Historically riots have been a way for the most downtrodden and oppressed groups to make their voices heard, and to have their demands met. It forces the state to make concessions for fear of further unrest. Riots are unorganized and so they’re limited in what they can accomplish, but I’m never going to fault black people for rioting.

    Second, people do know what happened. Just because the prosecution failed to make a good case doesn’t mean there wasn’t any evidence.

  • 23

    If trayvon wasn’t black, this story wouldnt have leaked into the sports world. And I’m glad we have a witness here who is able to inform us on what treally happened. Thank you. I would always trust a slam commentator over a judge/jury.

  • Datkid

    and furthermore Uncle Tom’s are why racism will continue. I’m not disagreeing with him for “liking a white guy” I’m disagreeing with kowtowing right along with an agenda that keeps people that LOOK LIKE HIM

  • 23

    Either way he wasn’t breaking the law when he followed the kid. So that’s not even an issue.

  • Datkid

    well first you argreed with me, then you disagreed, then you started arguing with yourself. sooooo

  • Datkid

    another excellent point.

  • Datkid

    Triple it.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    How the hell can there be unity if one race is violently oppressing the other??? It’s not BLACK people’s fault for racial “separation”, it’s the fault of WHITE RACISM. If you’re white and you’re against racism (of which there are many), then you should actively side with the VICTIMS of said racism, in order to bring down this system of white supremacy which is the REASON for racial separation in the first place.

  • RipCity

    yup. The Stand your ground law is insane, it has to be repealed immediately

  • Datkid

    are you gonna sit here and tell me that EVERY Jury follows laws TO THE LETTER ALL THE TIME?? Come on.

  • ChosenOne

    No, I agreed with The Truth. I replied to you when I saw that you typed that phrase which I can’t stand. Maybe I’m just letting off steam here… but I’ve made myself clear I think.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Of course, there really wasn’t much rioting (if any) as a result of the verdict. There were mass protests though that are still going on.

    Your friend is right that the media likes to paint protestors (even peaceful ones) as rioters to discredit them. Especially black protestors.

    My point is that I’m never going to fault black or brown people, or any other oppressed group, from fighting back and defending themselves.

  • pposse

    i thought there was something called “the spirit of the law” which a juror can abide by – I remember that phrase being thrown around a lot when Amare got suspended for game 5 against the Spurs way back when. David Stern kept repeating “the letter of the law says he has to get suspended” and the rebuttal was about the “spirit of the law” – for what its worth

  • robb

    it sucks that this f*cking wannabe cop who profiled a black kid, followed him, harassed him and killed him is free now. That idiot caused all this tragedy with his negligence, I mean even when he called to report he was following someone ‘suspicious’ (a black kid wearing a hoodie is enough reason to be labeled suspicious? GTFOH) the police asked him: ‘Are you following him? we don’t need you to do that’ but he wanted to be this cool cop who captured criminals and went on with his plan. The worst part of this are the present laws. They have so many holes it’s impossible to get true justice.

  • robb

    they do. Unfortunately. That’s why it’s important to have a strong case, otherwise the defense can exploit it and get his client out of trouble.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh no, nobody is saying the media made this about race, The Florida justice system did that on their own by not addressing the issue. As i said i fully agree with you there.
    .
    — i don’t think my boy meant as a blanket statement that he doesn’t understand riots, he’s saying that he doesn’t understand the use of riots in this context, (rioting about a single act of violence that was wrongly handled LOOKS pretty hypocritical).
    .
    – People know what happened, but the prosecution didn’t pursue what happened based on those people. So we (and the court) can’t say for certain they know what happened as that apparently wasn’t very important to either side of this particular case. Although we pretty much do know what happened, we can’t just ignore the people who handled this case, and blame the just system. And it’s not every system that made this mistake, rioting, or falsely reporting rioting/violence in a whole different place doesn’t make positive progress for anyone. We are talking about Florida, where Casey Anthony was just left off the hook for what she did. I can’t say I’m totally shocked that the system over there f*cked this up too.
    .
    What i’m trying to say is, as a whole, people aren’t focusing on the aspects of this problem that can be improved upon, but rather on the parts of this that make the best headlines. Reacting to how the media reports the case, and doing so in the most extreme way possible doesn’t help. Everyone needs to be level headed about this. Being extreme is just going to create 2 extreme opposing sides (already had), when appropriately being calm and reasonable will encourage positive change.

  • ChosenOne

    From a historical perspective, you’re totally right about the whole white supremacy thing which was racist in itself and then caused the growth of racism from the “other side” (the black side) a form of retaliation if you will which is rightfully expected. What I can’t stand, is terms such as “Uncle Tom” still being used in a world that I supposed to be united more than ever and opportunity for all, e.g. (Obama becoming POTUS). I’m going off topic a little here, but is it morally right to call Obama an Uncle Tom? What cause he is exceeding in life, and doing something “white guys do.” I just hate the word, and any form of racism whatsoever.

  • bike

    There wasn’t enough evidence presented to do the theoretically right thing. There were no witnesses. There wasn’t a shred of forensic evidence to dispute Zimmerman’s account of being attacked by Martin. The jurors had no choice. It’s up to the prosecution to prove beyond.a.reasonable.doubt that Zimmerman committed second degree murder.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    and i don’t think you are wrong for feeling that way (i too feel the same) he is speaking of violence/reported violence and how that is basically contradictory to what is being “fought” over.

  • bike

    Just curious…you repeatedly refer to ‘black and brown’ people. How to you refer to people of Asian descent?

  • Lupe

    Your user name speaks volumes

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    We all have stupid SLAMonline handles. Teddy-the-Bear and bike aren’t exactly “intellectual” names.

    But interestingly enough you talk sh!t about him because he uses slang in his username. Hmm…

  • Datkid

    no they do not. just as often Juries follow their own hearts and do what they think is right. but I understand your point.

  • Cortez Mack

    http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/Zimmerman_Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf

    The essence of “stand your ground” instructions were given, by the judge, in the jury instructions.

    The fact that his defense team did not technically pursue that as their official position is irrelevant.

    The reason they did not officially go with stand your ground is because they were afraid that would fail based on the fact that…

    HE PURSUED TRAVON.

  • Martin Luther Bling

    Malcolm X was a racist. This doesn’t help your cause.

  • Martin Luther Bling

    Folks calling for all races to have the same level of accountability for their actions aren’t racist. People like you that believe that a particular race should be coddled or can’t help themselves are racist.

    The fact that you’re getting this much push back in the Slam magazine comments should let you know that your “everything is a racist conspiracy” worldview is a little outdated lol.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Please tell me how black people control the media, the banks, the military, and all the other state apparatuses of white power?

    Racism is not “Some black girl made fun of me in middle school”. Racism is prejudice + power.

    And LOL @ “coddled”. So black people are “coddled” now? Not white people–black people are actually FAVORED in America?

    You’re an idiot. Next please.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Translation: “I have no idea what racism is but this guy makes me sh!t my pants.”

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    What do you mean historical perspective? White supremacy and anti-black racism is stronger than ever. There are now more black people imprisoned or on parole/probation than there were slaves in the 1800s.

    Last year alone there were over 300 extrajudicial murders of black people in the US. This means one black man, woman, or child is murdered by the police or by a self-appointed vigilante EVERY 28 HOURS, with no trial or anything.

    These are legalized lynchings. Just because the state dresses up its policies in liberal language doesn’t mean the actual policies of the state aren’t objectively racist.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    My point isn’t that all white people are bad, it’s that there’s nothing even comparable to white racism from black people or other POC. Black people have zero state power; they couldn’t be racist if they wanted to. Just because there’s a black president does not mean black people as a collective have any power within US society.

    There is absolutely no equation between racism and supposed “reverse racism”. Racism is real, it’s not the “idea” that certain people are inferior, it’s an actually existing system of structural oppression based on the color of one’s skin; one group benefits while the others suffer.

    White racism = 400 years (and counting) of slavery, sharecropping, indentured servitude, egalized lynching, ghettoized neighborhoods, and mass incarceration.

    Black “racism” = Some black kid called you honkey in middle school and kind of hurt your feelings.

    Plenty of white people are opposed to racism… That doesn’t mean the system isn’t specifically white supremacist, because it is. It’s also patriarchal and sexist too.

  • Dagger

    Can’t get enough of this. Thanks again. Just gonna go ahead and like all your posts in this thread . . .

  • ChiTown Fan

    As much as I want to say you are wrong… It’s hard to disagree with you. There are a ton of people who were on his side and they would love nothing more than seeing a poster child of their views get held up on a pedestal as some kind of hero.

    His security bill will probably be enough to put a whole neighborhood through college.

    With 8 million concealed weapon permits in the US. Turning over the law will be hard. But won’t say impossible.

  • MikeC.

    The jury was required, by law, to do “the legal thing”. They can’t say “Hey man, there’s no real evidence for this, other than your history of being a d!ck, so you’re going to jail for murder.”
    I have no idea if GZ killed TM for racial reasons, I just have to look at the legal details (pre law major). The prosecution went for the home run with the 2nd degree murder charge and they couldn’t prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. They might have had a better chance if they had charged manslaughter.
    That being said, GZ has a history that indicates that something like this wouldn’t be a surprise. I feel that he deserved jail time for what he did. The prosecution just messed up and went for a charge they couldn’t prove. I won’t shed a tear if GZ gets what’s coming to him “off the books”.

  • ThaWindy

    My understanding that’s his nose was not broke. And poor people commit the most crimes…wait I forgot about WALL STREET…so rich people do. They drop bombs on the innocent everyday.

  • Datkid

    I was talking to Teddy the Bear. Or at least your @ name looked like Teddy The Bear

  • Datkid

    LMAO @ no real evidence. It’s hard to attack somebody if they’re chasing you. And Juries don’t always go exactly by the law dog. Although your right the prosecution absolutely messed everything up.

  • Basketball_iQ

    Crazy how Barkley agrees with a confused jury….. Smh.

  • Basketball_iQ

    Do you know how crazy it is to be followed by someone not knowing their intentions with you? Now add, they have a gun.
    Wish I could follow YOU with a pistol,,,,,, you’re SICK right along with this uncle tom Barkley
    Ol’ massa pleasing a$$

  • Basketball_iQ

    Why you worried about him being black?? What does that matter? When Casey Anthony was on TV everyday, I did not hear not one time from one black person, “Oh, this just on TV bc she white as snow”
    You are ignorant and a perpetrator and representer of hate.

  • Basketball_iQ

    How can blacks be racist? Blacks can’t “Jim crow” whites…. Blacks can’t segregate or persecute whites. Blacks can’t limit job opportunities for whites,,, run that game with somebody who don’t pay attention or know the language of the situations at hand. How can you be racist when you’re not in a position of power?
    I see white people come to black neighborhoods, ride around in circles, walk around, you know what we think? He must have business here.
    Let a black person do that in a white neighborhood,,, the police will be there to confront him IMMEDIATELY if not soon.
    The problem is one sided.

  • Basketball_iQ

    Let’s thank God for basketball bc if it wasn’t for basketball, I couldn’t sit around and listen to some the sh1t I’ve read on this thread in particular.
    It’s crazy how someone you can agree with a basketball subject or have a common love for a a player or team but in the next breath concerning serious matters like this one, HATE for the skin you’re in is spewed. I don’t get that. That is a mental issue when you can do something like that.

  • Basketball_iQ

    It’s a fool in here repping Jordan’s #23 as a name, a BLACK MANS NUMBERS then spews “if Trayvon wasn’t black, blah blah blah and it’s not illegal to follow anyone.”
    He followed a minor and killed him,,,, someone’s child was headed home, got followed, obviously got confronted bc he engaged, and was killed for it.

  • neaorin

    That’s correct, they had no SYG case and they knew it. First he chose not to retreat, although at that point he didn’t fear for his life. then at the end he claims that he couldn’t. Therefore SYG is not the basis for judging this case, and should be judged the same in a non-SYG state. Self-defense is what matters.

  • peace

    The truth is, a kid has died and does not have the opportunity to live out the rest of his life.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    lol no worries bro.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    and thanks.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Race is just a term used to describe the varying lineage that shares common genetic markers within humans. But technically as it were originally created, no, race doesn’t exist. We are all human.

  • sheetdog

    Yo barkely yo an oreo!!

    an uncle tom mofo!! marrying white woman monkey

  • Hambone

    If its all black CDs white , why hasn’t anyone noticed Zimmerman isn’t white? Oh wait , that wouldn’t fit the agenda

  • Peregrine

    Stop being so sure about things that you know nothing about, then maybe you’ll be less ignorant about what you’re commenting about.

  • danpowers

    first off i disagree with barkley, am aware that the usa are built upon ideas of white supremacy and that the verdict of a trial or furthermore laws that allow such a verdict are a bad joke.

    it doesnt matter tho whether a social group is in a position of power or not. there is racism on all sides of self and external defined ethnic groups and as far as i know the level of political, economical and social partizipation has absolutely nothing to do with the degree of racism anywhere on earth.

    do you really know what the term racism means? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

    what you are stating here is not lopsided racism but the lopsided power structure within nation states. there is racism on all sides of defined ethnic groups, whoever is defined as black in the usa “just” faces the unfortunate circumstance that he/she finds him/herself more often than not on the wrong side of power. nations are built and defined on ideas of ethnicity. complaining about racism and at the same time being patriotic like “i am proud to be us-american, mexican, german, south african, chinese, etc…” is paradox. the capitalist, patriotic and religious brainwash you are facing over there just helps to keep that system alive more than anything else. people complain about racial discrimination and at the same time embrace the system which causes it.

    the key to get out of that would be education and political mobilization of the people which doesnt seem very likely to happen as the masses seem to consider talking dumb sh*t and being stupid as positive or being an athlete, successful business man, artist, etc more desirable than empowering oneself to be able to get deep with an appropiate amount of education and open minded attitude. it is also difficult to react with greatness to racial oppression so people tend to build a malcolm x attitude while the MLK or nelson mandela approach is so much more productive and would be really needed to cause change.

  • danpowers

    he is right about what he is criticizing but being a racist which he was doesnt nearly help as much as approaches of the likes of MLK or nelson mandela.

  • danpowers

    race is not a biological fact but an artifical construction that turns into social reality by human practice. you dont need to be whitey whiteman to be considered as “white”

  • danpowers

    f*ck that moron. i knew something was wrong with him by the way he constantly talks sh*t bout the knicks. here you see what that ignorant ch*mp is really made of lol

  • Shooting Guard

    It’s not longer about whether the verdict was right or wrong. It’s about mourning treyvon martin. may his soul rest in peace.

  • DocJ

    So any black person that does not see things the way you do and has a different opinion (obviously well thought out) is an uncle Tom? Adults discuss, children name call, when someone does not agree with them.

  • DocJ

    So let me, as a middle aged hispanic man, walk to the store at night in Watts and see what happens. It seems that only one of them in this tragedy used a racial, “Cracka”. And lastly, if I saw someone in my neighborhood that looked suspicious, and there had been several break ins in the area, despite their race and not knowing there age (6 ft looks like a man not ‘child’), I would assume they might have a gun and ill intent. And if they came up behind me and punched me in the face, would assume they were trying to cause me serious bodily harm, despite their race. But I guess that would make me a racist if they happened to be black…..

  • DocJ

    He was a racist until he visited Mecca and saw that people of all colors were peacefully making the pilgrimage to Mecca. Then he started to rethink some of his racist views he learned from Elijah Muhammad.

    Also, most of the media is left leaning and disagreed with the Zimmerman verdict (they mostly thought manslaughter was appropriate) , if you listen to the major news stations, papers, CNN, and MSNBC.

  • DocJ

    Your above comment, plus your previous posts, sure look like you dislike white people and are likely racist yourself. To stereotype all whites as basically racist and uncaring toward other minorities is a racist view. To assume that any black person that may have a different opinion than yours, and may be more in line with white opinion, hates themselves and has sold out to ‘the white man’ is just pathetic. It seems that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are pretty wealthy and live in very nice areas, but they aren’t Uncle Toms because they agree with you. I’m sure you probably agree with them and hate Jews, but that wouldn’t be racist would it…..

  • Canesta

    I’m not trying to stir things up, this is an honest question: Why is this case causing such controversy around the country, but the hundreds of innocent black teens killed in Chicago every year isn’t getting any attention? Obama said that “that could have been me”, well couldn’t every black teen killed by fellow black teens in Chicago “have been me”. I really just want to know why black people don’t seem to care about about “black on black crime” but the Zimmerman case is such a huge problem. I just feel like in the end, the inner city crime taking place would be more of an issue than a somewhat isolated case. I agree that the Zimmerman case was a terrible mess and a tragedy, but isn’t Chicago???

  • DocJ

    I’ve always appreciated Barkley’s honest opinions, he doesn’t care if some people won’t like his views and he always seems to have thought the issue through. I’m hispanic (so not White) and agree with the verdict, and agree it was a tragic death and horrible for both families. However, if I saw someone in my neighborhood that looked suspicious, and there had been several break ins in the area, despite their race, and not knowing there age (6 ft looks like a man not ‘child’), I would assume they might have a gun and ill intent. I would likely follow them until the police got there to see what they were doing. I wouldn’t get out of the safety of my car. However, if they came up behind me and punched me in the face, I would assume they were trying to cause me serious bodily harm, despite their race.
    And on the other side, if ‘a weird a** Cracka’ was following me, I would assume they might have a gun or knife and might be planning on robbing me. I’d call 911 (Trayvon had a phone) and certainly not walk up to confront him.
    The tragedy is that Zimmerman could have stayed in his car, and Trayvon could have continued home and not jumped on Zimmerman.

  • DocJ

    Actually there were several commentators that made the point that the only reason it was televised was because she was white. They pointed out that every day there are black kids disappear or are killed, and the news don’t find it worthy to report. As if a white child were more news worthy than a black child.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    If Trayvon wasn’t black, he’d be a mascot for anti-immigration crackers and Zimmerman would be rotting in prison as we speak.

    You should seriously f*cking kill yourself.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Actually no one knew about this story until people forced them to pay attention. It took 6 weeks of mass protests before Zimmerman was even arrested and brought up on charges. The media only paid attention because it was getting so big they had to pay attention.

    But of course, why pay attention to facts when a racist shit-for-brain cracker like you can claim “reverse” racism?

  • melvo

    I liked Charles Barkley’s response to the Zimmerman Verdict question. He seemed pretty well informed.

    My biggest problem is that the people with the loudest voices (figuratively and sometimes literally) in the media and through social networking are also the most ignorant, uninformed, and biased people.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    No, racism is prejudice + power. The conventional dictionary definition (i.e. the white definition) obscures the actual meaning of racism. Racism is not an idea or an opinion. Prejudice is. Racism is a material reality, it’s something that concerns the bodies and their objects, i.e. physical things, not their ideas and what they think of themselves.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Also there’s a difference between black nationalism and white nationalism. Black nationalism is a response to white imperialism, by its very nature it is something progressive; white nationalism IS imperialism, since its purpose is the justification of imperialist conquest of other people (including the internal colonization of Africans and chicanos in the United States).

    Nelson Mandela was also a nationalist and his methods of liberation were a lot closer to what Malcolm X had envisioned than MLK’s. Mandela was the leader of an ARMED struggle against the white supremacist settler state that was occupying his people.

    A lot of people feel he didn’t go far enough, actually, since the South African economy is still mostly owned by white capitalists.

    “There is racism on all sides of defined ethnic groups, whoever is
    defined as black in the usa “just” faces the unfortunate circumstance
    that he/she finds him/herself more often than not on the wrong side of
    power.”

    This is true to some extent, but not really. European imperialism (and its offspring in the US, Canada and Australia) is what created modern racism and the modern social/political concept of whiteness versus blackness.

  • danpowers

    it is irrelevant where nationalism comes from as it works the same. black nations (if youre referring to african countries) also cause the oppression of minorities through dominant ethnics / tribes / lineages. i didnt get into who would be to blame for that as it is obvious that europe and in recent history usa and china are involved into these mechanics and its not just a “black thing”. on the other hand: these things werent much different in african precolonial history. nationalism in general is strongly limited to pretty narrow minded ideas. there are some alternative approaches tho. ever read or heard about this guy and his work? http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674076068

    i was not referring to nelson mandelas reaction to the oppressive apartheid regime which was absolutely inevitable in his case. the unique approach and genius of his person was how transformed the open conflict and prevented the country from further escalation.

    for all those who think he didnt go far enough just look at mugabe who went “all the way” and see how it served his people. not really good at all. mandela actually understood international politics and unfortunatelly south african politics who came after him already took some steps back from what he innitiated. i dont want to critizise malcolm x in here or judge his behaviour, at the same tame it would be disgrace to madiba to put him on a level with mr x.

    “This is true to some extent, but not really. European imperialism (and its offspring in the US, Canada and Australia) is what created modern racism and the modern social/political concept of whiteness versus blackness.”

    that doesnt make it any less of a valid point lol. i didnt argue that the ideas of white supremacy are an “invention” of european imperialism. what you are referring to when you say “white definition” or the arrogancy of white racism across the globe is called “eurocentrism” (which also include us america / canada / australia as these are historically nothing but european settlements with european ideas and policies etc. perfectly explained in http://www.unc.edu/~aescobar/wan/wanquijano.pdf ) i agree with you when you say that it is sad that we still didnt get fully rid of that sh*t in science, politics and society.

    and yes, especially in “white” territories as the usa, europe, etc the impact of “white racism” is that much higher than e.g. black racism because of the available ressources and power are in the hands of the majorities. at the same time “black racism” works and operates with the same fatality and destructively within “black territories” as seen all over africa.

    funny and sad at the same time is that ideas / definitions / belongings to concepts of ethnicity, traditions, cultures and nations are just artificial constructions of the human mind that dont stick to facts but at the same time deploy powerful destructive realities.

    furthermore it is quite ignorant and takes away accountability from “black” culture(s) when you say that racism is just a white thing. so if a black person in the usa is a racist then it doesnt matter because he more often than not has not the same power as a white racist? come on…

  • danpowers

    “i.e. the white definition”? to me that was a pretty racist comment for someone who points out racism as a drawback ;)

    as i stated above: i wont argue that eurocentrism is a severe problem that the world needs to get rid of. you just didnt convince me that a “black racist” is no racist just because “white racists” started sh*t.

  • danpowers

    i knew something must be awfully wrong with chuck since he constantly tallked sh*t about the knicks lol

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    “at the same time “black racism” works and operates with the same
    fatality and destructively within “black territories” as seen all over
    africa.”

    See, this just isn’t true. Western countries are still neo-colonizing Africa… White bankers are extracting funds from Africa and forcing African nations into accepting predatory loans which cripple their economies and force governments to cut social programs. White Western corporations are plundering the resources of Africa as we speak, and exploiting near-slave labor. The political economies of Africa are still dominated by WHITE capitalist-imperialists. Black people make up 80% of the South African population yet own less than 10% of the economy! The other 90% is owned mostly by whites (and some Asians).

    There’s no equivalence whatsoever. Nationalism is not all the same, and no there’s no such thing as black racism. Your feelings as white people don’t trump actual actions.

    I know plenty of white anti-racists who understand this. That doesn’t mean it’s necessarily “right” for people of color to cuss out random white people on the street, for instance, but it’s not the same thing as ACTUAL racism as a product of imperialism.

  • C.M.G

    I’M MIXED LOL, SO I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY ON
    THIS POST….BOTTOM LINE THOUGH IS THE CASE WAS PUBLICIZED BECAUSE IT DEALT WITH RACIAL ISSUES THAT THIS AND EVERY OTHER COUNTRY DEALS WITH ON A DAILY BASIS. IF TRAYVON WAS A WHITE KID I DO BELIEVE ZIMMERMAN WOULD BE IN JAIL RIGHT NOW FOR AT THE LEAST MANSLAUGHTER. AND IT DEFINITELY WOULDNT OF TOOK SIX WEEKS OF PROTESTING TO GET THE JUDICIAL TO EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY NEEDED TO LOOK INTO IT……BUT IF TRAYVON WAS A WHITE KID THIS STORY WOULDNT OF FLORIDA…..

  • danpowers

    you just portrayed africa as a powerless poor victim unable to be accountable to administrate itslef: that is actually as ignorant as the same eurocentrism that still exploits parts of the continent. just go way back in “african history” and you’ll see it wasnt white europeans coming to africa and directly making black slaves to ship them to africa. they didnt even have the military power to do so. they bought african slaves from africans. african political / social and historical structures are way more complicated than “evil white men / poor black men”.
    you need to know the facts b4 you get philosophical. good start to that wouldve been to open and read the links i posted as it wouldve provided you with non-white approaches and actually reasonable criticism of the eurocentric colonialism of power instead of getting polemic.

    african elites cooperate with those “white capitalists” otherwise there wouldve been continent-wide riots and liberation wars already. if you cant go beyond your rainbow press argumentation and dig a little deeper nobody will take your point of view serious. yes, eurocentrism and capitalism without borders are extremely severe problems that need to be tackled by societies and people of all colors world wide. there are too many reasons to do so. instead ppl of all color love to ignore these drawbacks and rather get fed by media bs like republican brainwash over there or the same counterpart conservative bs over here. bread and games to keep the masses blind still works like it did in antique times.

    its impossible for the human mind not to differ between phenotypical markers. accepting difference would be ok if everybody had equal chances and would be given the same value regardless of color which is unfortunately not the case in our societies.

    white supremacy and its racist ideology are the biggest evils to tackle alongside the capitalist and open market brainwash, no doubt. the whole point i am about is just trying to tell you that imo ignoring the destructiveness of black racism wont help in the slightest to overcome the drawbacks we both address. to put it in a nutshell: racism p*sses me off either way and there should be no justification for racism regardless of its origin.

  • jayson Teeman

    Barkley…I find a new reason to love him more every day. In his simplicity, there is LOGIC.

  • Jon Zimmel

    no it is different. a white kid was killed you do not even know his name and no NBA team dressed up in what he was wearing when he got shot like the heat did for trayvon

  • Jon Zimmel

    no it is different. a white kid was killed, shot twice (unarmed). you do not even know his name and no NBA team dressed up in what he was wearing when he got shot like the heat did for trayvon

  • Jon Zimmel

    see the thing is they knew they didn;t have enough to convict and only indited and went to trial due to media pressure

  • marco polo

    A kid attacked an armed man and got f***** up. The creepy cracka had a gun. Next time someone wants to be bad, think about firearms and other weapons. Had Martin kept walking he’d be alive.

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