In an interview with CNN, a very confident-sounding Derrick Rose says that he’s the League’s best player. Next season can’t get here soon enough.
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He was. – the level of suck that he brought defensively must be totally irrelevant for you to feel otherwise
Yes defensively KB was awful.
You do realize that Dwight was really, really bad defensively too right?
The team was a terrible defensive team. And it wasn’t “led” by KB like you like to say. He was just as guilty as anyone, but it was the offense, mixed with a lack of training camp, mixed with his needed offensive output that created the defensive void.
I see the argument for CP3 over KB.
He got his team to win more while being needed less.
For me though, the needed output by KB for the Lakers to have any semblance of success is what made Bryant’s season the more impressive feat.
He was more prolific offensively by quite a margin, but he was also much worse defensively by a larger margin.
I say he was #3 and Paul was #4, but I would not be an idiot and say that i’m right and you’re wrong. That would be foolish.
Bryant: 27-6-6-1.5 with 3.7 TO’s on 46% Fg’s and 32% from deep
Paul: 17-10-4-2.5 with 2.3 TO’s on 48% Fg’s and 32% form deep
Their seasons were quite comparable production wise.
The efficiency leans toward Paul as does the defensive side.
Overall output might be KB.
“You do realize that Dwight was really, really bad defensively too right?”
- No actually, he wasn’t. He just wasn’t as good as he has been in the past. He was still a top 5 defensive center. Oh and who would have thought, his numbers reflect that. Infact, the Lakers, a terrible defensive team, were actually average with Dwight Howard on the floor.
Kobe is the teams leader. Kobe not playing defense translates to everyone else. Unless, now you want to revise your stance on Kobe and say he’s not the teams leader? That’ll fit what you are saying, so maybe switch up your opinion their too.
While being needed less? The Clippers were worse without Chris Paul than the Lakers were without Kobe Bryant. Both, in terms of when healthy, and when sitting for injury.
Offensively, yes. Their seasons were comparable. But Chris Paul was a top 2 defensive PG, and Kobe was bottom of the heap among SG’s. Who was better is obvious.
Overall output? http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=paulch01&y1=2013&p2=bryanko01&y2=2013
Chris Paul factors out as more productive, (really only scored less, unless you really want to focus on 2 rebounds from a SG/SF compared to a PG), way more efficient. Way better defensively.
Offensive rating for Chris Paul = 127
Offensive rating for Kobe Bryant = 117
Defensive rating for Chris Paul = 102
Defensive rating for Kobe Bryant = 107
Kobe was great offensively last season. But he wasn’t as great as Paul. And he was considerably worse everywhere else.
That’s good stuff man. Sounds like you think Chris Paul had the better season. That’s nice.
The Lakers would have been a 25 win team without KB this past year.
Clippers would have been a 7th or 8th seed.
Paul didn’t have to deal with 3 coaching changes. The 2nd best players mind being elsewhere. The 3rd best player being injured and virtually useless for the majority of their time on the court together. and the 4th best player turning 40. No team depth. No one to sub for him.
More hardship for the Lakers and more effort exerted by KB in the last half quarter of the season.
Playing 45 mins a night in you’re 17th season in the L dragging you’re team to the 7th seed when they were just out of the playoffs a week before.
Oh sh*t just realized there is no advance stats to show what I just said, but it actually happened and I used my eyes to watch it, so I guess I’ll just have to deal with that.
You are not even making points or using evidence, you’re just claiming you know more, trust me buddy I know your type and your opinion doesn’t carry any more weight than any other basketball fan. I played ball and watched my whole life and I can tell you didn’t watch Kobe last season if you think CP3 was better. You’re just following the bandwagon, which, at the moment, is Lebron being all-mighty and Kobe being overrated. Far from true. I can find you a hundred other quotes, and not ALL FROM ONE SOURCE, praising Kobes historic season. Parker better than Kobe on O and D. Look at the stats or watch for yourself, both will tell the same story. Kobe > TP
I just posted 4 articles with stats/video/analyses and I’m not giving evidence?
I didn’t watch if I think Chris Paul was better? I can’t prove to you how much I watched with a stat, but I think it should be pretty obvious that there is a very very small % of people who Watch and pay attention to the amount of basketball that I do. You literally have been bragging about watching the Lakers 70 times….you realize I probably watch that many games a month during the season?.
You realize everyone but lakers fans recognize Paul was better? Why do you think big time publications ranked their second most popular player 4th if it wasn’t clear? Chris Paul’s Stats were better. (Look at PER if you don’t understand how to look at a full line of statistics) – his team was better. – And his offensive rating was better. His defensive rating was better. And his on-court/off-court stats show he had a more significant impact on his teams success. I mean it is obvious, I’m not saying it as anything other than honesty, to the vast majority of the basketball watching public who the best 3 players in the league were, step away from your fandom for just a minute and freaking look around.
If you don’t understand how to read stats I can show you. If that’s what the issue is.
NBK doesn’t watch. He just uses stars and hearsay to construct his opinion.
I still have hope for the young padawan.
“The Lakers would have been a 25 win team without KB this past year.
Clippers would have been a 7th or 8th seed.”
- weird, the Clippers were worse without Paul, than the Lakers were without Bryant. — but hey, your opinion trounces evidence right? I mean, it’s not like the Clippers were terrible before Paul got there or anything. Or equally as terrible with him sitting (yes, actually, they were).
“Playing 45 mins a night in you’re 17th season in the L dragging you’re team to the 7th seed when they were just out of the playoffs a week before”
- doesn’t have anything to do with who is better.
Kobe’s story was better, Kobe’s season was more impressive.
Chris Paul’s season was better.
“Oh sh*t just realized there is no advance stats to show what I just said, but it actually happened and I used my eyes to watch it, so I guess I’ll just have to deal with that.”
- THAT’S BECAUSE WHAT YOU JUST SAID HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO WAS BETTER. you dudes are focused on the freaking narrative, like that carries any relevance at all. (it doesn’t). that’s why nobody outside of Lakers land thinks Kobe was better than Paul.
Actually, most people are arguing over whether or not he was better than James Harden (which is actually a good argument….i side with Bryant. but it’s a lot closer than this one).
man you make yourself look like a jackass.
Sir, that would be you. I am anything but. I like to look at things from each perspective before making any judgements.
Let me ask you something. If Harden led the Rockets to the top seed in the West, would that effect his overall placement in ranking?
(Did you have D-Rose above CP3 Rose’s MVP season?)
To me, yes it would. Because he proved something that was hard to accomplish. So he should be rewarded rank wise.
I would put him above D-Wade last season if he did that. But he didn’t. So I don’t. I have Wade above him.
Narrative carries value in MVP rating, why shouldn’t it in player rating?
Yes because of the narrative I have him above CP3.
- explain why Chris Paul has a PER of 26.4 and Kobe’s is 23.0?
. explain why Chris Paul got more votes for 1st team all-nba than Kobe did?
. explain why Chris Paul had 105 more MVP votes than Bryant?
. explain why Chris Paul’s Offensive and Defensive ratings were better?
. explain why Chris Paul outperformed Kobe in every match up this season? http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=paulch01&p2=bryanko01
.since you looked at everything from every angle, use an angle that isn’t basic PPG/RPG/APG to explain why you think Kobe was better than Paul?
talk about using evidence to back up your opinion. go ahead. live up to your own expectations of others.
“Let me ask you something. If Harden led the Rockets to the top seed in the West, would that effect his overall placement in ranking?(Did you have D-Rose above CP3 Rose’s MVP season?)”
- uhm, if his stats were the exact same? i would still argue Kobe was better (although, on that team, that couldn’t have happened, obviously).
just like i argued Chris Paul was still better than Derrick Rose when Rose won the MVP.
“Narrative carries value in MVP rating, why shouldn’t it in player rating?”
- uhm, because Most Valuable and Best are freaking different by definition……
There it is. You don’t actually think Kobe was better because Kobe was better. You think he was better because he was comparable, in a tougher situation.
Which is absolutely not “better”.
It was better. Because it was more difficult.
Lol that’s pretty subjective reasoning. So much for “lousy argument” – again, what started this nonsense.
You started this non sense. Put nothing on me.
You are always free to exit conversation at any moment. No need to “entertain me”.
I don’t blame you’re reasoning for Paul being better than Bean.
There is merit to it. But I think narrative should be taken into account.
And I DO NOT believe you about you still having KB over Harden in the faux-scenario.
I started this by making you say Chris Paul being better is a lousy argument? &
The faux scenario is unrealistic. Are you surprised the answer is unusual? Really? That team with that guy as its best player wasn’t winning the West. Especially with those numbers.
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