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Thursday, July 25th, 2013 at 10:00 am  |  121 responses

Derrick Rose is the NBA’s Best Player Says Derrick Rose (VIDEO)

In an interview with CNN, a very confident-sounding Derrick Rose says that he’s the League’s best player. Next season can’t get here soon enough. 

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  • OleOtis

    It’s obviously LeBron. But the fact that he said this and said it with a straight face without looking like he was even going to crack a smile…that’s a great thing for his fans and Bulls fans. Just excited to have him back next season because the league missed him.

  • LLC#12

    The season before he won the MVP he said he could do it and people doubted him then too. I’m not saying he’s the best player in the NBA, but it’s a good sign he has that confidence.

  • Slick Ric

    That man was serious. lol

  • Anthony

    The “Eff you mean?” look he gave him when he asked, “yeah?” I might have to watch a lil more Sweet Home Chicago this upcoming season..

  • RKJ92

    “Yeah.” lol!

  • http://twitter.com/niQknacks niQ

    Really, what did you expect him to say? “Nah, I think I’m only 5th best.”

  • K_HOLIDAY

    What was he supposed to say? He’s the face of his franchise and the heart of Chicago. He’s also pretty good… I’m not surprised by that response. He said what he was supposed to say (and what he believes)

  • RKJ92

    Yaaaaaa but lets not boost here either….

  • spit hot fiyah

    best suit wearer last season for sure

  • pposse

    you all shall bear witness this next year, the time is coming…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    well he just wore a suit for 12 months. he could have said, “we’ll see soon”

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he really didn’t have to say Derrick Rose. It’s irrelevant either way, but he didn’t HAVE to say himself. he could have said something like “we’ll see” or anything else that insinuates the best player in the world didn’t play basketball for the last calendar year. lol

  • shockexchange

    Did the Shock Exchange just hear Derrick Rose refer to himself in 3rd person son? The nerve of that guy.

  • shockexchange

    To make matters worse, Derrick is hogging the spotlight from his brother, Reggie Rose. After all, Reggie’s the talent (in his own mind).

  • Jay Brodes

    lets see him on the court and we will judge this year. i like the confidence. time will tell this year! cant wait for the season!!!

  • D_Nuggets

    I love how the interviewer starts laughing and DRose kinda looks offended. But yeah I’m excited too. Usually when he says things like that he backs it up. A lot of people thought he was crazy when he said he wanted to win MVP.

  • pposse

    He may have wore a suit on gameday, but every morning he was waking up and putting those gym shorts on in the morning…D Rose = hardest worker in the NBA.

    Even on this addidas tour, he still is getting up at 6:30 am in the morning and practicing.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    everyone calls their favorite player the hardest working player in the NBA except Carmelo fans.
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    and so what? who gives a dog sh*t about practice? last time he played basketball he was definitely not the best player on the court. so, excuse me for thinking him not playing since then prevents him from logically improving to become the best player on earth, just by waking up early and practicing.

  • shockexchange

    The Shock Exchange begs to differ. Horry Jr’s work ethic is unmatched, particularly when he’s surrounded by “exceptionally more talent than the rest of the L.”

  • OleOtis

    …Every other NBA player was waking up and putting gym shorts on in the morning too…but they also played in games. LeBron certainly did. Also, unless you watch every player work, you can’t say who the hardest worker is. There are summer league players working to make an NBA roster and fulfill a dream. That’s hard work. So just because he’s the star player for your team doesn’t mean he’s the hardest worker.

  • pposse

    it was unmatched, until Horry Jr. seen up close how hard D Rose was working. Christmas game 2010 Bulls vs. Lakers – Kobe has a spotlight interview which they show during the game where he speaks on D Rose. Tells the world that Rose’s work ethic is only comparable to his own.

  • spit hot fiyah

    AI? is that you?

  • pposse

    D Rose’s work ethic is good enough to where not one single teammate ever spoke bad about him or slipped up and said something to the media about his return which they should not have. He worked hard enough for a couple of them to come out and just flat out say to the media “the guy is working harder than all of us who are actually playing” – he worked hard enough to where none of the other bulls players ever questioned or undermined his authority as the leader of the team.

  • pposse

    your excused

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk
  • bike

    Several recent studies that have tracked pro athletes recovery from ACL reconstruction show, on average, diminished performance for about one year after beginning play. I know everyone likes to point to Adrian Peterson’s recovery as something that is now achievable, but that’s no doubt an exception.

    In all likelihood, Rose will be back, he will be good, but he will be somewhat below his level of performance before the injury for a season.

  • OleOtis

    …None of that makes him the hardest worker in the NBA.

  • Evan Boland

    Kobe’s work ethic is unmatched. Every doesn’t say so for no reason.

  • Evan Boland

    Well he’s certainly behind at least ‘Bron, Kobe and KD. MAYBE, 4th.

  • LakeShow

    I still prefer Chris Paul’s game to Rose, but I understand the argument for Rose.

  • LakeShow

    Many popular, well respected, athletes, entertainers speak of themselves in 3rd person. It’s because they hear their name so much and are use to seeing it everywhere that the entity that is their name almost feels separate from who they actually are.

    It’s really is only weird when no name peeps do it. Like anyone on this website for instance.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah good point. His work ethic completely disappeared during the 2004-2005 season when he had Smush and Mihm surrounding him.

    He only put up 35-5-5-2 so you can tell his work ethic completely disappeared awaiting for more talent to show up later.

  • shockexchange

    The Shock Exchange agrees, sorta like when you used it here —> “The LakeShow has recognized this also.
    I’m BIG too where I come from. Don’t believe me? I don’t blame you lol.” ( http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2013/01/amare-stoudemire-says-he-is-learning-defense-for-the-first-time/ )

  • bike

    LMFAO!

  • LakeShow

    Isn’t mockery the sincerest form of flattery in your eyes?
    I’m a young shock in the making.
    You get that dandruff out of your head yet?

  • shockexchange

    Sargeant Schultz

  • LakeShow

    Peppermint Patty

  • shockexchange

    More back talk huh? Don’t ever let the Shock Exchange catch you on a basketball court … and he’s just gon leave at that.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you are 47 years old. nobody is afraid of you on a basketball court.

  • shockexchange

    For a “no name peep” the stans sure know a lot about the Shock Exchange. *Welp*

  • LakeShow

    Ahahahahhahahha… One of the best things i’ve ever seen lmao

  • LakeShow

    How can we.
    You’re like an annoying commercial they won’t let you skip at the beginning a YouTube video

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    your right! you should brag about the fame you’ve garnered by thirsting for website hits on a comment section on the internet. as a 47 year old man.

  • LakeShow

    Don’t forget too that KB and Rose both really need to re-earn their spots. If they contribute wins and numbers we can put them in the top 5 again, but right now they could both be closer to #10-15 till mid season.

  • LP @ThisisEther

    NICEEEEEEEE…(loso voice)

  • shockexchange

    And after another vicious attack from you and your sorors, the Shock Exchange stands corrected. Derick Rose isn’t the best player in the L. Thanks for clearing that up guy.

  • bill

    “I am” not “Derrick Rose is”.

  • LakeShow

    You were arguing that?

  • initbruv

    What he should be able to brag about is that he made the effort to teach middle schoolers the basics of the economy and the stock market in addition to basketball. That’s real life nbk. Why are you always coming at him so personally? Just keep it about basketball.

  • 23

    A lot of ppl also thought it was crazy that he was actually voted MVP that season as well.

  • Shooting Guard

    not to take anything away from drose, but when you’ve been watching the league from the comfort of your living room, you are not the best, no shame in admitting it

  • pposse

    you can take the comment Rose made whatever way you want. He said he’s the best player in the world. Do you think he is saying that to show confidence? Or do you think he is saying that cause he believes it? If he does believe it, i am sure he correlates being the best from working harder than the competition – that falls in line with his personality.

    The rare times D Rose did do interviews this year, he has always reiterated the point on how hard he has been working…like always talks about it. There is no way to tell who the hardest worker is, but by his actions it should be clear that he is one of the hardest workers on his team and in the nba.

  • OleOtis

    Yeah, people did. But not me. 62 wins. A lot of games without Boozer and Noah, but kept winning. Quite a few come from behind wins with Rose leading them. Beat the Heat each time they played. Great record against the other good teams. LeBron had a great season, but they had an average record against good competition. No one else really belonged in the conversation that season.

  • OleOtis

    Also no shame in revealing to the league that your confidence is back and reminding people that you are still the youngest MVP ever and the only team that was in your way while you were healthy was the Heat. And the only player in your way was LeBron James who he mentioned in the interview as the toughest guy to guard. Can’t knock him for being confident in himself. It’s not like he’s just some dude. Top 10 player in the league. He has the right to believe in himself just as much as any other player does. Probably more of a right to believe in himself than any other player not named LeBron James.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Then he should brag about that, if bragging is something you support. I just reacted honestly to what he said about himself personally. If he didn’t bring himself into this, I wouldn’t have either.

  • OleOtis

    It’s a guessing game. My guess is he’ll be back to himself before the playoffs next season. Thibs said we’ll see flashes at the beginning of the season, but he’ll be rusty. He’s the second best athlete at the PG position behind Westbrook and he’s probably a top 5 athlete in the entire league. Can’t remember any PG with his athleticism who tore an ACL, but I’d compare him with them if there were any. I wouldn’t compare him with guys like Al Jefferson or other big men who weren’t back to themselves until the 2nd season after returning.

  • OleOtis

    Both. He believes in himself. Anyone who has watched him play since he was in high school, which I have, understands that. He’s also showing that his confidence is back and it was his best way of letting guys know that he’s back.

    “…it should be clear that he is one of the hardest workers on his team and in the nba”…That’s such a pointless statement. No one knows who the hardest workers in the league are. Unless you’re a journeyman who has played with a lot of guys in a lot of cities, you really have no idea because all you see is who you play with. No one here on this site knows anything about it. We have no idea how to rank guys with hard work.

  • initbruv

    You reacting honestly means nothing. That’s just something that people say to excuse their bad behavior. It’s the equivalent of when a woman has a bumper sticker saying something like “yeah I’m a b*tch, deal with it”. You’re gonna do whatever you wanna do, I’m just saying that it seems like there’s too much of a tendency to get personal on comment boards. It’s like when people come at you about being on here all the time and tell you to get a life or whatever rather than just ignoring you if they have a problem.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    obviously you can view it however you want. if being honest is now an excuse to comment, sure. I guess we all have excuses to comment if you want to look at a reason as an excuse……
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    if i saw a two people that i “know” having this conversation in real life, that’s how i would react. it’s really not any different. i’m not saying stuff because i have a problem with him. while nuts, and a complete liar, i think Shock Exchange is very entertaining. it’s more along the lines of banter.
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    i didn’t know his age was a secret, and i didn’t know until he reacted to it that what i said was right on the money either. or at least i assume it’s the right age by how he reacted. i wasn’t trying to “get personal” with him.

  • initbruv

    I hear you.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    i do understand how personal it came off from his reaction. i just didn’t mean for it to come off that way. i expected him to say something like, “yeah, and The Shock Exchange has been doing it since before your parents met as the theme for jeopardy plays ad infinitum” or something like that.

  • initbruv

    Hahaha!!!

  • shockexchange

    He can’t gain any leverage discussing basketball. The only advantage he has is to attack SE personally because (i) SE doesn’t know anything about him personally and (ii) doesn’t care. When someone starts mentioning a guy’s age or zodiak sign in a public forum, he has totally entered “groupie status.”

  • Shooting Guard

    i’m sure you know more about basketball than me, which is great but here’s my limited knowledge: When I first read the title on yahoo i thought it was coming from chris paul or KD, so maybe i didn’t understand the whole third person thing. My understanding was that of ‘coming from an injury’ point of view, he couldn’t possibly be the best right now. DRose is one of my favorite players by the way,but as you mentioned it’s good for his confidence i mean mario chamlers thinks he’s one of the best pg’s in the league

  • Mike From Spain

    I like the ‘Horry Jr.’ schtik, but cmon… Horry was clutch…

  • shockexchange

    Truedat

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol you were “attacked”. hopefully you don’t suffer from PTSD from me guessing your age correctly. cry it up.

  • Evan Boland

    Why would KB need to re-earn his spot? I’d say he did so last season. He was phenomenal.

  • LakeShow

    Uhhh…He tore his Achilles tendon… Maybe?….

  • Evan Boland

    I think you must officially be the worst Laker fan I have ever met. Jump ship. Please.

  • robb

    he’s simply being objective.

  • LakeShow

    :*(

    Dirk is top 5 then right?

  • Evan Boland

    So you’re a Laker fan, who wanted Dwight to re-sign as the face of our franchise, despite him not wanting to be here, taking shots at US, THE FANS, as well as Kobe. Despite what Kobe did last season you think he is 10-15, and then you compare him to Dirk? Yikes, I can only hope you’re not the majority. But then again, I know you’re not.

  • LakeShow

    I preferred Dwight over uncertainty. But in no way am I upset he’s gone. I looked at is either keep the L’s best center or move on.
    I was fine either way.
    You can say all you want NOW that Dwight “didn’t want to be here” but just a short while ago it was his destination of choice.

    You compared Dirk to Kobe. Not I.

    I called Dirk a top 5 player because that was where he was before last season started..

    But things change when you have a major injury. Don’t they?

    Pull you’re head outta you’re ass man.

  • Evan Boland

    My head’s where the logic is at, man. Dirk was not top five, maybe top 10. I never even said Kobe WILL be a TOP 5 player this year, but all we have to look at thus far is what he had previously did. We have NO IDEA how much the injury will effect his game. If he comes out and is playing like he did in 2010-11, then we can start dropping him down.

  • LakeShow

    Best at your position(which Dirk was) usually puts you in top 5 to top 7 or 8.
    Whatever.
    The point is that KB just had his first major injury in a decade. He is 35 years old and new younger players are getting better by the second.
    IMO Kobe needs to reclaim his throne before we knight him king.

  • Evan Boland

    DID I KNIGHT HIM KING? I SAID THIRD. THIRD. He just DID reclaim his position in the top five. Thus, he is there until that position is taken from him.

  • LakeShow

    The acl tear is what took his position from him.
    If he comes back averaging 25-6-5 then I will bow down to a Lakers fan greater than I.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    If you think Kobe was the 3rd best player in the NBA last season while healthy, you are high. Let alone now, after a career altering injury.

  • Evan Boland

    Career altering injury.. *Roll Eyes* Did you watch Kobe last season? Truly? Tell me, who was better than him.. I watched 70 games of him. Of course, from watching him so much, I missed out on some games I wish I coulda seen. I probably watched 40 Lebron, 25 CP3, 25 KD. I would really like to know, what would you rank him? SLAM and ESPN both gave ‘em a 4.

  • Evan Boland

    So, what would you a ranked Kobe LAST season? In terms of best players.

  • Evan Boland

    No my friend, being high has nothing to do with it. And may I ask, high on what? What drug, would alter my perception of players ranking last season? Because, I can’t think of any. And sir, he was closer to being over KD for 2nd, than being 4th.

  • Evan Boland

    Now I know you’re not a true Laker fan. Kobe never tore his ACL, bud…

  • Evan Boland

    27, 5-4, is what he will average.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You need to do some research on Achilles tears if you really don’t get it. Last season is irrelevant going into this year because of that injury. And yes. I watch more basketball then you apparently comprehend. Congratulations on 70 Lakers games. You are a dedicated fan. But for your entertainment…
    Guys that were better than Kobe last season…
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    LeBron, Durant, Paul, Parker, Westbrook. – LeBron, Durant, and Paul were definitely better by any measure. I can see an argument that he was the 4th best player in the league as well as I can see an argument he was as low as 8th behind those guys and arguably Harden & Duncan, I wouldn’t agree but that would be fair. Top 3 though? No way. Not even a debate.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    You must be high. He shares a building with a better player. Who led his team to a better record. And had better numbers. And was a better defender. Pretty much Kobe was better than Durant, Paul at absolutely nothing last season. But carry on, being sober. Probably should have used being high as an excuse for that nonsense.

  • LakeShow

    Yeah cause mistaking achilles tear and acl tear is what makes a true Laker fan and not. lol, I thought they were the same thing. It make me a lousy fan of medicinal research I guess lol …. you’re a funny fella

  • LakeShow

    Kobe was right behind Bron and Durant imo. So #3.
    An argument can be made for CP3, but I think it’s a lousy one.

  • Evan Boland

    I mistook your intention, I thought you were talking a past season, after 2010, where he had knee surgery and came back with a lot less athleticism.

  • Evan Boland

    Are you serious? Westrbrook shot 43% from the field and took more shots than Durant. I’m not a stat head like some people on this board, he was still a dominant force, but Kobe outplayed him last season. The CP3 stuff I’m tired of to be honest, he get’s manhandled in the playoffs every year, and can’t play more than 70 games in a season. Parker.. He was superb, close, but no.

  • Evan Boland

    So we should stop arguing and you should try to talk to some sense into nbk, who I guarantee did not watch much Kobe last season, claiming CP3 was better “by any measure”, and also believes Parker and Westbrook > Kobe.. Which, I have no words for.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you do realize Kobe Bryant was a flaming trainwreck defensively right? the dude was great on offense, but he was HORRIBLE on defense. a total trainwreck.
    .
    Westbrook was slightly worse than Kobe offensively, (shot worse, passed better), but much much better on the defensive end. So i personally would take him.
    .
    You don’t think Chris Paul was better last year because he get’s manhandled in the playoffs….that makes sense? Kobe barely even made the playoffs. That’s just a cop out reason to defend your argument.
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    Tony Parker went for 20PPG and 8APG on 52% shooting. OH, and he turned the ball over a full turnover less than Kobe a game. LOL, Parker was definitely better.

  • Evan Boland

    The “awful” defense card is so overplayed at this point, it’s sad. He wasn’t nearly as bad as that. He won a few games with his defense. One epic showdown with Kyrie stands out. And you all remember what he did to “King” James, in the ASG. Awesome stuff. Chris Paul was worse in the season, can’t play more than 70 games a year, and yeah, he has never done ANYTHING in the playoffs. And I love how you play the D card with Kobe, but not Parker.. Dude sucks on D worse than Kobe. Kobe averaged 1.5 steals a game. What did Parker average? I’ll take 27-6-6 over 20-8-3 anyday, thank-you.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Dude i don’t even want to address what you are saying. You are so unbelievably ignorant. Here, i’ll let others do the talking, before i address what you said,

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    “In the midst of his team’s most disappointing season, Kobe Bryant is somehow providing the best, most efficient, offensive production of his 17 year career, but his defense has become so problematic that he’s ruining what could have been a legacy defining season.” – http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2013/1/11/3864814/kobe-bryant-is-ruining-kobe-bryants-historic-season
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    “The Lakers played horrible defense against the Washington Wizards and Kobe Bryant stands at the center with a handful of damning mistakes.” – http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2013/3/23/4139126/lakers-analysis-2013-kobe-bad-defense-lakers-wizards

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    “His comments were 100% accurate. There’s just one problem.

    Kobe Bryant has no business criticizing the team’s defense.”

    http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2013/3/26/4149732/kobe-bryants-defensive-hypocrisy-knows-no-bounds

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    Kobe had 2 really good one on one defensive games. The one against Kyrie Irving and the freaking Cavs being one of them. He had one more, do you even remember it?

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    The all star game? go to sleep. seriously it’s f*cking stupid to have a serious conversation with someone and then use the All Star game as your evidence.

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    Chis Paul was worse during the season? By what stupid ass measure do you come up with that, your opinion? I hate to break it to you, but your opinion carries about as much weight as …wait, just farted. Yep, your opinion carries as much weight as that fart.

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    Tony Parker was better on offense. I don’t need to talk about how him and Kobe weren’t very good defensively, Parker was better on offense. (he was also better on defense for the season, while not really being a better defensive player).

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    Kobe didn’t even try and play defense this season. He made a freaking mockery of playing defense this year.

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    It’s unexcusable to say you watched 70 Lakers games this year, and then you come in defending his defense. @disqus_j65FuvcSML:disqus would even be ashamed of you as a “dedicated” Lakers fan.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    explain how it’s a lousy argument. That should be rich.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    because you are ignorant.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Here is another article, pointing out all the various stupid ass team damning sh*t Kobe Bryant was doing defensively last year. http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/55877/an-open-letter-to-kobe-bryant-about-his-defense
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    Unbelievable that you would defend his defense. Freaking unbelievable. A bias that strong is not something you should flaunt.

  • LakeShow

    Kobe put out more needed(by his team) effort in more minutes played(by allot) to drag his injury riddled team to the 7th seed when they had a 25-29 record pre all star game.
    Does it need a cherry and whip on top or is that rich enough for ya?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he put out more needed effort?
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    Chris Paul was more productive. He wasn’t the catalyst to his teams biggest weakness. His team had a better record.
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    Literally not a single way to logically spin a narrative that makes Kobe look better than Paul. Kobe played more games, more minutes, was less productive, and won less.
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    Chris Paul played 70 games, went 50-20 while in the lineup.
    Clippers went 6-6 without him.
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    Kobe played in 78 games, went 42-36
    Lakers went 3-1 without him.
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    Really, though, how in the world is any non Lakers fan supposed to support the idea that Kobe was better than Paul?

  • LakeShow

    Going home. I’ll explain tomorrow.
    I’m surprised even for a guy who doesn’t appreciate KB that you can say that Paul was flat out better and more productive than him.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    He was. – the level of suck that he brought defensively must be totally irrelevant for you to feel otherwise

  • LakeShow

    Yes defensively KB was awful.

    You do realize that Dwight was really, really bad defensively too right?

    The team was a terrible defensive team. And it wasn’t “led” by KB like you like to say. He was just as guilty as anyone, but it was the offense, mixed with a lack of training camp, mixed with his needed offensive output that created the defensive void.

    I see the argument for CP3 over KB.

    He got his team to win more while being needed less.

    For me though, the needed output by KB for the Lakers to have any semblance of success is what made Bryant’s season the more impressive feat.

    He was more prolific offensively by quite a margin, but he was also much worse defensively by a larger margin.

    I say he was #3 and Paul was #4, but I would not be an idiot and say that i’m right and you’re wrong. That would be foolish.

    Bryant: 27-6-6-1.5 with 3.7 TO’s on 46% Fg’s and 32% from deep
    Paul: 17-10-4-2.5 with 2.3 TO’s on 48% Fg’s and 32% form deep

    Their seasons were quite comparable production wise.

    The efficiency leans toward Paul as does the defensive side.

    Overall output might be KB.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “You do realize that Dwight was really, really bad defensively too right?”

    - No actually, he wasn’t. He just wasn’t as good as he has been in the past. He was still a top 5 defensive center. Oh and who would have thought, his numbers reflect that. Infact, the Lakers, a terrible defensive team, were actually average with Dwight Howard on the floor.

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    Kobe is the teams leader. Kobe not playing defense translates to everyone else. Unless, now you want to revise your stance on Kobe and say he’s not the teams leader? That’ll fit what you are saying, so maybe switch up your opinion their too.

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    While being needed less? The Clippers were worse without Chris Paul than the Lakers were without Kobe Bryant. Both, in terms of when healthy, and when sitting for injury.

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    Offensively, yes. Their seasons were comparable. But Chris Paul was a top 2 defensive PG, and Kobe was bottom of the heap among SG’s. Who was better is obvious.

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    Overall output? http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=paulch01&y1=2013&p2=bryanko01&y2=2013
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    Chris Paul factors out as more productive, (really only scored less, unless you really want to focus on 2 rebounds from a SG/SF compared to a PG), way more efficient. Way better defensively.
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    Offensive rating for Chris Paul = 127
    Offensive rating for Kobe Bryant = 117
    Defensive rating for Chris Paul = 102
    Defensive rating for Kobe Bryant = 107
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    Kobe was great offensively last season. But he wasn’t as great as Paul. And he was considerably worse everywhere else.

  • LakeShow

    That’s good stuff man. Sounds like you think Chris Paul had the better season. That’s nice.

    The Lakers would have been a 25 win team without KB this past year.

    Clippers would have been a 7th or 8th seed.

    Paul didn’t have to deal with 3 coaching changes. The 2nd best players mind being elsewhere. The 3rd best player being injured and virtually useless for the majority of their time on the court together. and the 4th best player turning 40. No team depth. No one to sub for him.

    More hardship for the Lakers and more effort exerted by KB in the last half quarter of the season.

    Playing 45 mins a night in you’re 17th season in the L dragging you’re team to the 7th seed when they were just out of the playoffs a week before.

    Oh sh*t just realized there is no advance stats to show what I just said, but it actually happened and I used my eyes to watch it, so I guess I’ll just have to deal with that.

  • Evan Boland

    You are not even making points or using evidence, you’re just claiming you know more, trust me buddy I know your type and your opinion doesn’t carry any more weight than any other basketball fan. I played ball and watched my whole life and I can tell you didn’t watch Kobe last season if you think CP3 was better. You’re just following the bandwagon, which, at the moment, is Lebron being all-mighty and Kobe being overrated. Far from true. I can find you a hundred other quotes, and not ALL FROM ONE SOURCE, praising Kobes historic season. Parker better than Kobe on O and D. Look at the stats or watch for yourself, both will tell the same story. Kobe > TP

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I just posted 4 articles with stats/video/analyses and I’m not giving evidence?
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    I didn’t watch if I think Chris Paul was better? I can’t prove to you how much I watched with a stat, but I think it should be pretty obvious that there is a very very small % of people who Watch and pay attention to the amount of basketball that I do. You literally have been bragging about watching the Lakers 70 times….you realize I probably watch that many games a month during the season?.
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    You realize everyone but lakers fans recognize Paul was better? Why do you think big time publications ranked their second most popular player 4th if it wasn’t clear? Chris Paul’s Stats were better. (Look at PER if you don’t understand how to look at a full line of statistics) – his team was better. – And his offensive rating was better. His defensive rating was better. And his on-court/off-court stats show he had a more significant impact on his teams success. I mean it is obvious, I’m not saying it as anything other than honesty, to the vast majority of the basketball watching public who the best 3 players in the league were, step away from your fandom for just a minute and freaking look around.
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    If you don’t understand how to read stats I can show you. If that’s what the issue is.

  • Evan Boland

    NBK doesn’t watch. He just uses stars and hearsay to construct his opinion.

  • LakeShow

    I still have hope for the young padawan.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “The Lakers would have been a 25 win team without KB this past year.

    Clippers would have been a 7th or 8th seed.”

    - weird, the Clippers were worse without Paul, than the Lakers were without Bryant. — but hey, your opinion trounces evidence right? I mean, it’s not like the Clippers were terrible before Paul got there or anything. Or equally as terrible with him sitting (yes, actually, they were).

    .

    “Playing 45 mins a night in you’re 17th season in the L dragging you’re team to the 7th seed when they were just out of the playoffs a week before”

    - doesn’t have anything to do with who is better.

    .

    Kobe’s story was better, Kobe’s season was more impressive.

    .

    Chris Paul’s season was better.

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    .

    “Oh sh*t just realized there is no advance stats to show what I just said, but it actually happened and I used my eyes to watch it, so I guess I’ll just have to deal with that.”

    - THAT’S BECAUSE WHAT YOU JUST SAID HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHO WAS BETTER. you dudes are focused on the freaking narrative, like that carries any relevance at all. (it doesn’t). that’s why nobody outside of Lakers land thinks Kobe was better than Paul.
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    Actually, most people are arguing over whether or not he was better than James Harden (which is actually a good argument….i side with Bryant. but it’s a lot closer than this one).

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    man you make yourself look like a jackass.

  • Evan Boland

    Sir, that would be you. I am anything but. I like to look at things from each perspective before making any judgements.

  • LakeShow

    Let me ask you something. If Harden led the Rockets to the top seed in the West, would that effect his overall placement in ranking?
    (Did you have D-Rose above CP3 Rose’s MVP season?)
    To me, yes it would. Because he proved something that was hard to accomplish. So he should be rewarded rank wise.

    I would put him above D-Wade last season if he did that. But he didn’t. So I don’t. I have Wade above him.

    Narrative carries value in MVP rating, why shouldn’t it in player rating?

    Yes because of the narrative I have him above CP3.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    you do?

    - explain why Chris Paul has a PER of 26.4 and Kobe’s is 23.0?

    . explain why Chris Paul got more votes for 1st team all-nba than Kobe did?

    . explain why Chris Paul had 105 more MVP votes than Bryant?

    . explain why Chris Paul’s Offensive and Defensive ratings were better?

    . explain why Chris Paul outperformed Kobe in every match up this season? http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=paulch01&p2=bryanko01

    .since you looked at everything from every angle, use an angle that isn’t basic PPG/RPG/APG to explain why you think Kobe was better than Paul?
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    talk about using evidence to back up your opinion. go ahead. live up to your own expectations of others.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    “Let me ask you something. If Harden led the Rockets to the top seed in the West, would that effect his overall placement in ranking?(Did you have D-Rose above CP3 Rose’s MVP season?)”
    - uhm, if his stats were the exact same? i would still argue Kobe was better (although, on that team, that couldn’t have happened, obviously).
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    just like i argued Chris Paul was still better than Derrick Rose when Rose won the MVP.
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    “Narrative carries value in MVP rating, why shouldn’t it in player rating?”
    - uhm, because Most Valuable and Best are freaking different by definition……
    .
    There it is. You don’t actually think Kobe was better because Kobe was better. You think he was better because he was comparable, in a tougher situation.
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    Which is absolutely not “better”.

  • LakeShow

    It was better. Because it was more difficult.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Lol that’s pretty subjective reasoning. So much for “lousy argument” – again, what started this nonsense.

  • LakeShow

    You started this non sense. Put nothing on me.
    You are always free to exit conversation at any moment. No need to “entertain me”.

    I don’t blame you’re reasoning for Paul being better than Bean.
    There is merit to it. But I think narrative should be taken into account.

    And I DO NOT believe you about you still having KB over Harden in the faux-scenario.
    Yeah right!

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I started this by making you say Chris Paul being better is a lousy argument? &
    The faux scenario is unrealistic. Are you surprised the answer is unusual? Really? That team with that guy as its best player wasn’t winning the West. Especially with those numbers.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Thought so.

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