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Tuesday, September 10th, 2013 at 2:25 pm  |  154 responses

Lamar Odom Says He Doesn’t Have a Drug Problem (VIDEO)

NBA free agent forward Lamar Odom finally addressed the drug rumors publicly, as the gossip press hounded and tracked him down for commentary. Odom says he’s not addicted to crack, and that he hopes to play in the NBA next season.

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  • spit hot fiyah

    seems like a pain in the ass to be lamar odom right now

  • K_HOLIDAY

    A crackhead on my block used to say ” I’m not addicted to drugs.. I’m addicted to the feeling I get after ” … Cant really believe what a man says, have to go off of what he does, so him saying he doesnt have a problem really means nothing at this point… This whole madness probably has every team in the league afraid of taking LO. His NBA days may be done.

  • shockexchange

    SE guesses that solves it! Lamar said, “I don’t have a drug problem.” It’s solved now.

  • LakeShow

    Get right Lamar.

    One of my favorite players ever.

    You should be in the League my man.

    Very few dudes could do what Lamar could in his prime.

  • LakeShow

    Being screamed at ever where:

    “you on crack bro?”

    “you still want to play professional basketball?”

    “you addicted to drugs man?”

    Goddam, i’mma bout to go all William Foster on these b*tches…

  • shockexchange

    George Zimmerman – William Foster 2.0?

  • LakeShow

    Hook/Line… … but no sinker.

  • shutup

    I don’t know about very few, could name 5 players that fit the mold….Detlef Schrempf, Anthony Mason, Kurt Rhambis, Tom Chambers and the very peak of what Odom represents James Worthy. That’s just off the top, pretty sure if I put my mind to it could run off another ten or so that did it as well or better then Odom. To clarify 6’10″ish could run the floor with the ball in their hands and finish at the rim with avg to above avg jumpshot. (Anthony Mason’s jumpshot doesn’t fit but his handles were better the Odom’s IMO)

  • bike

    Just trying to imagine stepping out on to the street, surrounded by press and blinded by camera flashes, getting into my car, and someone sticking a mike in my face and asking if I am addicted to drugs.

    I don’t know what I would say but I doubt it would be rational.

  • LakeShow

    Nope.

    I don’t see it.

    None of these guys were the Swiss Knife Lamar was.

    If they were…. they weren’t allowed to show it.

    Sure they have SOME similarities.

    But which of these guys brought the ball up as a point guard and could also give you 10 boards and 2 blocks and a steal on any given night?

    Schrempf was the most similar but he was never the low post player and post defender that Lamar was.

  • Dfrance

    I really don’t see a prime Lamar being comparable to any of those dudes. In his prime, he was a better ball handler, passer, defender and rebounder than everyone you mentioned.

  • Dfrance

    I gotta say, I’m as mild mannered as they come and even I don’t think I have what it takes to take that line of questioning with a smile on my face. He even wound down the window.

  • stax

    Anthony Mason’s handles were NOT better.

  • Dfrance

    Well if I knew you were typing all that… lol.

  • spit hot fiyah

    and add to that: questions about your wife, which is totally off limits to a lot of people

  • shockexchange

    fiyah, SE would normally agree with you. But in this situation, where Lamar and his wife seek publicity by putting their lives on display via reality TV, it’s difficult to then tell the media your personal life is off limits.

  • shutup

    Is that a fact or your opinion? Odoms career TO per games is higher then Mason’s and Mason ran point forward for like two season under Don Nelson. Also Mason’s highest apg season is higher then Odom’s by .3. Nominal but still higher.

  • shutup

    Scrempf’s best season looks exactly like Odom’s. Chambers has a season of 27 and 7trpg 2.3apg or 25 and 8.4 trpg 2.9apg . Anthony Masons best season was 16 and 11 trpg 5.7 apg. Scrempf’s best season stat wise was 19, 9.5 and 6. Odom’s was 15.9, 9.8 and 4.8. Please tell me how they don’t matchup? for ish and giggles Rhambis is the longest reach with numbers 11.1 9.1 and 2.4. James Worthy has a best season that looks like this 21 6 and 3.6. I don’t get why everybody thinks Odom was this great passer his career avg assist per games is only 3.7.

  • shutup

    Rhambis was a beast on the boards and defense in the post was better the LO’s, true he never had to run point, but he was a good big man passer. He was also a better finisher on the break and in traffic after a rebound.

  • shutup

    Gotta agree with SE on this one, if you sign up for that life gotta read the fine print. Celebrity looks good until you gotta wear that ish everyday.

  • shutup

    You need to go back and watch some tape, I got to see Mason and LO play in person, Mason handles were better and more impressive because he was a truck of a man, 6’7″ 250 and his arms were bigger then LO’s thighs.

  • Dfrance

    We’re talking skillset here, thats what LakeShows original comment was referencing so that automatically takes Chambers, Rambis and Worthy out of the discussion. Detlef and Mason are very comparable to Lamar, but I don’t think they were as good defensively or as rebounders. And you can’t alwasy look at stats as an indication of a dudes passing ability, but I got to think these last 2 seasons Lamar has had hurt his career average.

    Sorry, I know everyone is stat obsessed on this site, that’s just not how I roll.

  • LakeShow

    Well said.

    Detlef and Mason can be compared to him, but they are the only ones and Mason did not have the jump shot.

    My point definitely stands: “Very few dudes could do what Lamar could in his prime.”

  • pposse

    was that a manual rolling window?!

  • shutup

    He said others “Very few dudes could do what Lamar could in his prime” if the stats are similar what exactly was LO doing on the court? You interpreted it as skillset, which I think is still comparable. Chambers could do everything LO coul;d do and more and for a longer sustained period over his career. I said Rhambis was a reach but if you look at the big picture his deficiencies are made up for by being a better rebounder and finisher on the break. James Worthy scored more but rebounded less, Ill take the 5 points instead of 3 rebounds. Neither one was a world class rebounder so its not like LO is blowing him out of the water in any category.

    Not stat obsessed, just use stats to validate my opinion.

  • LakeShow

    Terrible, terrible comparison imo.

    No range on his jump shot.
    No point guard skills.
    Not a very impressive handle.

  • shutup

    Mason’s jumpshot was decent, although I conceded that point, I would take everyone on my list before LO besides Rhambis. Your point can stand but it could also be wrong.

  • LakeShow

    You’re arguing non-points.

  • LakeShow

    2 of these guys fits the mold. The rest do not.

    Chambers was a big scoring post player.

    Mason was a bruising point-SF/PF with no outside range.

    Rambis was a scrappy/hustle guy and never played the play maker for his teams.

    Worthy and Detlef are the only ones that actually could be considered similar players.

  • Dfrance

    I’m sorry I just don’t see the comparison of James Worthy, Kurt Rambis and Tom Chambers to LO. When were any of those guys point forwards? In his prime you could pencil in LO for 10 rbs a game every night, that’s pretty good, especially half of that time being a bench guy.

    We’re talking who had the better all around game here. You’re saying you’d take the 5 points over the 3 rebounds like that matters in the discussion. Was Worthy the all around player LO was? The answer is no. Mason is close, Detlef closer, but I still say a prime LO had a better all around game.

  • shutup

    So Lamar’s 4.8 assist makes him his teams playmaker?????

    Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Dan Marjele, Sean Elliot……..all players that fit the “mold” and actually did it and do it better.

    Anthony Mason didn’t shoot a lot of threes but he didn’t have to because he could get to the rim and finish over 7 footers. Although his career fg% is better the Lamar’s. LO .46 Mason .509

    Comparisons usually work were a player can have comparable stats and impact on a game, although not the same exact impact but very similar and that is what I am presenting. You can dumb it down and make generalizations about players but there impact on the game is very similar.

    And Odom only shot 30% for his career from three, thats not that impressive.

    Chambers was a swiss army knife, he did a little bit of everything, he scored everyway and his career 3pt% looks exactly like LO’s. Nice try

  • Saleem Rainman

    how bout Toni Kukoc? just putting a name out there

  • shutup

    Hell yes Worthy was a better all around player then LO. It’s funny got three different people saying that my comparisons are off bu t then cite different comparisons. Go look at Chamber’s stats and get back to me…..

  • shutup

    And another one……although he didn’t rebound better he did score better.

  • shutup

    Nope he’s actually middle of the pack across the board…..

  • LakeShow

    Not bad.

    But when you think about Lamar’s ability to play in the post and defend it, that separates them quite a bit.

    Not sh*ttin on your idea, your absolutely correct as far as them both being versatile guard/forwards, Lamar was even more of a Swiss Army knife though.

  • Saleem Rainman

    how about an in prime Hedo? he was a big reason the Magic made it to the finals in 09 against the Lakers, that too without Jameer.

    We’re talkin point forwards right?

  • LakeShow

    Tom Chambers shot 740 3 pointers across a 16 year career.

    Odom took over 2000 3 pointers in a 13 year career.

    Carmelo Anthony cannot play a team’s primary play maker and doesn’t have as good of a handle.

    Kevin Durant can’t play in the post like Lamar.

    Dan Marjerle… Really? Not a post player…

    Sean Elliot… WTF is going on here????

    Are you for real right now??

  • LakeShow

    Hedu and Kukoc are nearly 100% identical in looks and play so see my previous answer haha.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    a lot of revisionist history about the past going on. you can’t really say anyone played like Odom before Odom. He played in the triangle first of all. He was more of an amoeba then “Power Foward / Point Guard / Small Forward” — Nobody has ever had a role like he did with that Lakers team.
    .
    - Detlef Schrempf was strictly a wing. He didn’t play effective as a power forward. And he sure didn’t initiate the offense on a regular basis. He did have a sort of “middle-man” role like Odom did within the Lakers offense, where he acted as a medium between the point guard and first option. He also carried a much bigger burden in terms of offensive responsibility. Much less “swiss army knife” than he was “handy pistol, you have to keep using the same way, every time you get into a scuffle” – Schrempf was a better offensive player than Odom. Hard to say who was “better” overall, they both were great at what they did….which was different.

    - Anthony Mason carried the same type of role as Odom…….on offense. But he had very different strengths. They both just handled the ball well. But Mason was more of a point guard – he had a better handle when you factor in the era he played in – but he was less of a weapon. Especially in terms of making hustle plays. And changing things defensively. Again, not quite a “swiss army knife” — couldn’t do “everything” — especially shoot.

    - Kurt Rambis? I’m not even going to start. That’s not even kind of true. They just were similar in that they were nimble for guys their size. And Rambis did the “garbage man” part of Odom’s role really really well. But he had literally no ball handling responsibilities at all.

    - Tom Chambers was all power forward. He had similar strengths to Odom in terms of what he could do compared to his contemporaries. But he is not dribbling the ball up the court on a regular basis. He was rarely ever outside the 3pt line during half court sets, unless it was to keep the ball moving within the offense. He scored from the post, and off of just being quicker than his defender. He was a scorer through and through tho.

    - James Worthy really had none of the consistent defensive/rebounding strengths that Odom did. Worthy was a better player, but he wasn’t contesting shots at the rim, grabbing defensive rebounds, and then coming down and initiating offense. — But he did spend his whole career with Magic Johnson. So maybe he doesn’t really get a fair shake in terms of what he could do, and what he was actually doing.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=odomla01&y1=2011&p2=schrede01&y2=1993&p3=masonan01&y3=1997&p4=chambto01&y4=1990&p5=rambiku01&y5=1989&p6=worthja01&y6=1988

    - you are really not actually taking into context the roles they played for their teams. Nobody had to do what Odom did game in and game out. Coming to averages in eras where the game was totally different doesn’t really prove anything.

  • LakeShow

    God… thank you man.

    I was like, where’s nbk to write the 1000 word essay this needs, but no one feels like writing up, and just like that… Voilà

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this comparison doesn’t even work statistically anyway. What Odom did at his peak has never been done by any other player.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    lol i can’t tell if this is sarcasm

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yes they were

  • LakeShow

    Naw, sincere haha.

  • Feez_22

    Why did you mention carmelo though? Carmelo is the antithesis of a swiss army knife player which is why a lot of people think of him as a one dimensional player. Carmelo is a scorer/rebounder that doesn’t pass, doesn’t play D, doesn’t playmake and doesn’t block shots…

    When i think of swiss army knife players in lamar’s era, i think of guys (in their prime) like andrei kirilenko, lamar odom, shawn marion, etc etc. I know i am missing others but these are the main guys i think of. Of these 3, marion had the best prime and career tbh.

    Obviously there are the stars as well but not a lot of stars could do the vast amount of things these 3 could do on the basketball court.

  • LakeShow

    You sure?

    They were similar handle wise…

  • LakeShow

    Why didn’t you choose one of Lamar’s better years for this comparison?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    similar yes. And Odom’s handle was amazing. But, New York would give Mason the ball in crunch time and let him initiate the offense. That’s how safe it was in his hands.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZCUCTp7CqE

    for the memories. and that handle.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    this is Lamar’s best season as an overall basketball player…..

  • LakeShow

    Ah, cool thanks.

    I didn’t get to see Mason play in his prime as i’d have liked to so going off highlights mostly here.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    he was really like just a giant point guard who could dunk on everyone. He however was no sort of threat shooting the ball. He would hit shots occasionally, but that was definitely his big weakness.

  • SwissArmyKnife5

    People are missing the point, Lamar Odom has to be one of thee most versatile players of all-time…now I didn’t say he was the best, but skills wise few if any had this guys game.

  • SwissArmyKnife5

    Lamar Odom has to have one of the most unique games in NBA History…a 6’10 pg,sg,sf,pf, and center legit…who else has ever done that?

  • LakeShow

    I think you’re loving up on his efficiency that year, but he has had seasons where he show cased his talents better.

    His rookie and sophomore seasons, and pretty much every year between 2003-2008 he put up better digits.

    I think I agree with you, that Lamar was at the height of his game the year you posted, his stats look prettier other years though.

  • LakeShow

    We aren’t saying that there aren’t players that are better than Odom, were saying his skill-set and role was incredibly unique.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    his stats look prettier the other years because he played only 32mpg in 2010-11….his actual production is pretty much at his best all around level per minute once you factor in everything. Plus, the whole, 53% shooting, 38% from 3, career low turnovers thing. He was freaking amazing that season.

  • LakeShow

    I feel ya.

    You toss that season to someone who didn’t watch, and statistically they will say “this is the player you’re bragging about?” But he was unreal that season. Incredibly consistent night in and night out. (Which was a concern throughout his career) and highly efficient from all over the floor.

    Plus with Kobe dishing 5 dimes and Pau dish 3.5 Odom’s 3.0(ahead of PG Fisher by .3) are actually really nice as a third option, and not touching the ball as much as he would on other teams.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    right, the fact that he did so much with so little is why i really love that season. he made so much out of every opportunity. says a lot that the teams offensive ratings and defensive ratings were at right near their peak with him on the court. Despite him being a reserve.

  • shutup

    I chose Lamar’s best seasons against the guys I mentioned.

  • shutup

    You can’t really say that any two guys are exactly the same, but saying Lamar is unique is a gross exaggeration. Incredibly unique is exponentially worse .

  • LakeShow

    Wait… you still think you are right?

    DUDE…. dude…. dood….. bro….

  • shutup

    I used these guys to prove what he did was special-ish but not the second coming of Jesus on the bball court, the stats comparison they all seem relatively close and every guy shares at least two similar traits and sometimes more. Like I stated earlier Rhambis was probably the furthest reach but he did come off the bench, provider a spark, was their hustle man lost post defender and a good rebounder. he also started many fastbreaks with his outlet passes

  • shutup

    What have you had to offer but conjecture???

  • shutup

    Magic, Darius Miles, Lebron……..

  • shutup

    In every one of those paragraphs you cite similarities, every one of those players shares multiple traits as LO maybe they don’t extend to 5 out of 5 but 3 out of 5 on a basketball court is enough for me to say they are similar, not equal, but alike. LO as a post threat is being over exaggerated here. It’s not like he was living in the post.

    This swiss army sht is getting out of hand, if he is a swiss army knife then the others are leathermans, like wtf, its all arbitrary titles.

  • shutup

    So a Pippen comparison doesn’t fit either?

  • LakeShow

    Well you could have responded to why this is conjecture instead of just say it is…

    “Tom Chambers shot 740 3 pointers across a 16 year career.

    Odom took over 2000 3 pointers in a 13 year career.

    Carmelo Anthony cannot play a team’s primary play maker and doesn’t have as good of a handle.

    Kevin Durant can’t play in the post like Lamar.

    Dan Marjerle… Really? Not a post player…

    Sean Elliot… WTF is going on here????

    Are you for real right now??”

    Detlef Schrempf is nothing like Odom except that he played SF and passed well.

    Worthy was never the rebounder and post player Odom was.

    You’re not looking good right now my dude.

    Start realizing you’re arguing non points….

  • LakeShow

    They were much closer skill-set wise than anyone else you have mentioned.

    Scottie was much better at everything obviously, except offense in the post.

  • shutup

    Carmelo can do it all on the court, he chooses not too. He can rebound better then LO score better def, shoot better, handle better, he can pass just as good, career high avg for games is similar. Can play the post just as well on both ends, when he puts effort into doing it.

  • LakeShow

    Darius Miles!!

    lol, you are quite comical today.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I wasn’t talking about you in particular I just used your examples because they have sparked this big fuss and I’m bored. Seemed like everyone was talking about the comparison like it was apples to apples. So I just wanted to give my opinion as to why it wasn’t. All of the guys you listed have obvious similarities. But imo they have just as obvious differences that make their careers very different. .
    But Pippen would work if just finding some similarities as well as all the other guys. Best comparison offensively would be Kukoc in my opinion. Nobody has every has a similar overall role that I can think of.

  • shutup

    Lamar was never a killer post player stop it.
    Lamar was never the teams primary playmaker, 4.8 assists doesn’t make him magic.
    Kevin Durant posts up just as much as Lamar did, which means not so much.
    Dan Marjele was an outside threat with decent passing and avg rebounding sounds like LO to me. Rinse repeat Sean Elliot and add the fact that Elliot was a better defender.

  • LakeShow

    I view things with conjecture ??? …..LOL

    “Carmelo can do it all on the court, he chooses not too.”

  • shutup

    Lamar never avg 2 blocks, sorry mah dude keep reaching. 5.9 assists and 3.3 turnovers is your playmaker???? get real.

  • shockexchange

    It’s typical of most stars. They start out as nobodies, then are driven to become best at their craft and hire publicists and devote marketing $$ to be well known. But after they get fame and fortune, they act like they don’t want it anymore and start wearing disguises in public.

  • shutup

    and he only avg 10 rebounds twice in his career and he also dipped in his assist peer game those years, 3.7 and 3.5 to be exact.

  • shutup

    Worthy is head and shoulders above Lamar as a “so called post player”

  • LakeShow

    You are steadily proving you have no idea what you are talking about….

    Odom has played primary play maker for a number of seasons in his career.

    Odom was quite killer in the post actually.

    NO KD does NOT post nearly as much as Odom did… Nor is he the rebounder or post defender.

    Average rebounders don’t put up several seasons of at or around 10 RPG.

    Dan Marjele is twice the shooter that Odom is, half the defender, and not nearly the passer.

    Sean Elliot rebounded half as much on average as Odom… And he didn’t play in the post and he wasn’t a playmaker….

    My god man… What is going on in your nogin??

  • shutup

    Has he not shown glimpses when he was motivated to be an above avg rebounder, can he not score in everyday and play good defense? Posts up better then Lamar, scores off the dribble drive better then Lamar, similar assist avg’s in their best years similar 3pt%

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Give me another player who literally played every position on the court. Was elite at nothing. But good at everything. Odom is the only guy I can think of. Maybe Stacey Augmon? Remember him? But really, you have to admit, none of those guys were doing as much as Odom. You know this. They did most of what they did do well better than Odom, but none were like him across the board.

  • LakeShow

    Way to find the one thing I was a little off about.

    You’re right I didn’t give Worthy enough credit for his post play.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Dan Majerle may have been a better defender actually. But he was a SF/SG not a PF/SF.

  • LakeShow

    You’re reaching with Augmon pal. Really reaching.

  • LakeShow

    I was referring to post defense while I was typing.

    Odom can defend the post well but he can’t guard the perimeter well.

    Vice versa with Dan.

    You’re right I wasn’t being complete with my analysis.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    I didn’t look, I just said “maybe” – I didn’t see a ton of Augmon, it’s not like his teams played on TV more than a couple times a year

  • LakeShow

    I’m just saying, we don’t have to make shutup feel better here.

    Odom is incredibly unique. That’s a fact.

    He thinks he’s not… and that’s just false.

  • Evan Boland

    5 assists a game playing alongside Kobe and Pau? As PF? Dude, he is a playmaker.

  • Evan Boland

    Okay, I’m going to stop trying, you’re a fool.

  • shutup

    I don’t come to this site to feel better about myself, life is pretty sweet right now.

    Everybody is unique, but LO just doesn’t stand out to me, there have been so many others that do what he did with slight variables, Bird was a tweener, 6’10 do a little bit of everything, Tracy McGrady, and Dominique,big guys with guard skills have been in the NBA for a long time, George Gervin, these people have done it better then LO. With similar builds and skillsets, not saying they are exactly alike but the similarities outweigh the differences IMO, I can agree to disagree, I just think you have blinders on to where his place in NBA history might be.

  • shutup

    GTFOH 2 of those assist were probably to Kobe. 4.8 assists is slightly above avg, Charles Oakley avg 2.5 assists for his career which is 1 assist less then LO has for his career. Playmaker? you guys are setting the bar very low with that one.

  • Busta213

    has KG been mentioned?

  • Saleem Rainman

    lol @ in looks

  • Feez_22

    carmelo really can’t do it all on the court. carmelo has never been a good defender ever (even if you watch him in college). His passing is inferior to lamar’s. Lamar avg’s more assists per game for his career than melo yet melo’s usage rating is FAR more than lamar’s. Melo is 6th all time in career usage rating (behind lebron, kobe, iverson, wade and mj). Lamar is 212th all time in career usage rating. Yet, melo is 2.9apg and lamar is 3.1 assists per game. Melo has the ball in his hands 2x more than lamar, plays more mins than lamar yet lamar avg more apg for his career… that should tell you all you need to know.

    He can’t rebound better than lamar. He also can’t playmake better than lamar. He can’t block shots better than lamar and can’t play defense better than lamar. There is nothing tangible or intangible that i have seen which would indicate that melo is a swiss army knife player.

    Melo is better than lamar for his career. that is obvious. However, melo is NOT a do it all player. never has been. lamar was a very good do it all roleplayer. this is what i am trying to say.

  • dannyb

    The Detlef comparison is an interesting one. Worthy was way better than Odom, no question, but they did have some physical similarities in their style of play.

    Odom reminds me the most of Chris Webber, both in terms of skill set and legacy. Both are freakishly agile and versatile guys for their size, but didn’t have what it takes to be a leader and fully capitalize on their gifts. CWeb was better than Odom but there are a lot of similarities in style and legacy.

  • The Philosopher

    Kukoc…
    And Detlef.

  • The Philosopher

    He loves the attention.
    One can see it in his eyes.

  • The Philosopher

    You know you’re my guy, but, Mason wasn’t dunking on people.

  • The Philosopher

    And, this whole Lamar Odom imploding publicly may be unprecedented in the annals of the NBA.
    Considering all of the social media, and whatnot.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Watch that video. He dunks on Dikembe multiple times. He dunks on Patrick Ewing after Mason was a Knick. The dude did dunk on people lol. A lot of people.

  • spit hot fiyah

    kukoc was a WAY better passer

  • Interdico Scriptor

    @Lake. Stop being so kind. Spank them. LO was better than those aforementioned Eurotrashians. Kukoc was gun shy, and solid despite never really having that confidence to assert himself; as perhaps he should (don’t remind me of the game winner sans Michael) Hedu is a different story. I guess he’s characteristic of a player buying into a system and being able to utilise the skill set he has to the max. The NBA is talented and every level of coaching is excellent in theory; so I guess if really talented guys try really hard with a talented coach wonderful things happen (Detroit?)
    But LO was a diff story. He was a natural. Standing nearly seven feet: with handle and savvy and street and guts and determination. LO had it all. I watched him at the Clipps then the Heat and he was ballin’. By the Heat he was ballin’. The LA thing worked for him when he got that 6th role; and he was a game changer even as that 6 – which I can’t say about Turk or Kukoc.
    I truly don’t know what LO has in store for us this year, I mean it’s possible he re-suits and plays. He is solid on O and even better on D. Being 6’11 isn’t going to change.
    Back at ya LO

  • Interdico Scriptor

    as if

  • Interdico Scriptor

    @Nbk. FINALLY. I”VE GOT YOU. You’ve gone completely mad if you think Mason had handle better than O. I’m sorry bro, I don’t care what the pundits say, what stats you’re bringing at me… LO kills Mason in every respect, except tough maybe, boards maybe. LO kills Mason.

    Nbk you’re being USURPED ahahahahahahahahahaha

  • Interdico Scriptor

    what? who the hell is pretending to be nbk?

    hmm.
    If u poll 1000 SLAM readers/staff and said ‘giant point guard dunk on everyone’ how many would put Mason? NONE.

    Prime LO kills prime Mason
    I can’t believe I’m having this argument

  • danpowers

    uhm i remember the plastic man very well and to answer your question (maybe stacey augmon?): hell, no!
    augmon didnt really have a 3pt shot at all and couldnt protect the rim well (no shame for a guy standing at 6’6”). he was also a lesser passer compared to odom.

    you guys are just right with stating that odom is pretty unique.

    damn, the top 50 really have to start – we were just talking about stacey augmon…

  • Interdico Scriptor

    Chambers is waaay the flock underrated. WAAY. He’s a contender for best fellow honey ever (after Bird)
    Talk about skills set. He was Dirk w/ muscle.

  • Interdico Scriptor

    If u say Mason’s jumpshot is decent… everything you say after that is bs

  • Interdico Scriptor

    You’re right. Chambers was better. But LO is better than any of the others. Rhambis? ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • Interdico Scriptor

    That’s better. Yr waay better aggressive than passive

  • danpowers

    partially but not to odom’s extent in terms of versatility. the only guys who come to mind with an equal degree of versatility are the likes of larry bird or lebron james

  • Thor

    Scottie Pippen?

  • SwissArmyKnife5

    Naw bro they were versatile, but could they couldn’t play the post or defend it legit. Odom literally played all 5 posistions during games…And for the people sleeping on his handle how many 6’10 cats can do a between the legs snatch back? If you haven’t seen it youtube it.

  • SwissArmyKnife5

    I’m hearing a lot of mess about Odom not being a playmaker…smh if you played high level basketball or have any basketball sense you would know that a playmaker make plays. You don’t always get an assist, sometimes a hockey assist but my point is this assist alone doesn’t make you a playmaker it’s a combination of ones skills. Boris Diaw is another guy that comes to mind. I think dudes issue with Odom is we equate talent to stats…if he averaged 20ppg 12rpg 7apg he would be a all time great, but since he hasn’t reached his potential people feel cheated, hey everyone not a super star.

  • Dfrance

    I’m in no way saying Odom was better than Chambers if we’re talking straight up whose a better basketball player. Chambers could ball. But in terms of the wide variety of skills LO has, Chambers doesn’t compare.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Was only talking about Masons handle. Go back to sleep.

  • Ugh

    Seconded.

  • Ugh

    Eurotrashians?
    Tell me more about your country.

  • Ugh

    That and he made grievous errors. Not a smart player.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    Idk what you are going on and on about. Just read what I said. And relax.
    .
    “similar yes. And Odom’s handle was amazing. But, New York would give Mason the ball in crunch time and let him initiate the offense. That’s how safe it was in his hands.”
    -
    “- Anthony Mason carried the same type of role as Odom…….on offense. But he had very different strengths. They both just handled the ball well. But Mason was more of a point guard – he had a better handle when you factor in the era he played in – but he was less of a weapon. Especially in terms of making hustle plays. And changing things defensively. Again, not quite a “swiss army knife” — couldn’t do “everything” — especially shoot.”

  • IggI

    And that’s the problem, NOT accepting that you have a problem…..

  • Cortez Mack

    “Kukoc was gun shy”

    Not period.

  • LakeShow

    lol…

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    yeah i mean it’s a similar, “many responsibilities” type situation. Odom was just more big man / wing and less guard / wing like Pippen was. Well, and Pippen was actually elite at multiple facets of the game. Odom was just good at everything.

  • alexico

    How about Black Kukoc, Lamar Odom is Black Kukoc, Toni is White Lamar.

  • LakeShow

    Exactly why I told nbk no need to take it easy on you.

    We’ve seen you dish it, and take it in the past.

    There’s not one person that agrees with you that Odom is not a unique player.

    Tracy could never play PF, rebound, or protect the paint like Odom…
    Dominique… see previous…
    George Gervin… Why are you just naming guys that were in the NBA??? Nothin like Odom. Gervin was one of the greatest scorers ever and didn’t defend well or pass well.

    The only ones that work are Scottie, LeBron, Magic, Bird, Garnett. He was obviously half the player those guys were, but that’s how unique his skill-set was.

    Name one player outside of those players that can defend the paint well, play point, and rebound over 10 a game, and not need to score to help his team win.

    You can’t.

  • LakeShow

    No he hasn’t, but that’s certainly the closest one I can think of.

  • LakeShow

    No, he wasn’t, and he couldn’t guard the paint or rebound.

  • LakeShow

    lol, Philo… what u talking about??

  • LakeShow

    When someone gives you one block one night and 2 the next. The Average is 1.5…

    So you’re right that Odom never averaged 2 blocks a game. He gave you 1 to 2 blocks a game on average.

    That was my point. Never said he averaged 2 blocks a game.

  • shutup

    GTFOH here got Ewing a couple times and Dikemebe in his prime go youtube it.

  • shutup

    Was decent enough to keep people honest, a lot of moves don’t work if they can play off you, ie see Rondo, or Rubio.

  • shutup

    LO was not better then Worthy or Schrempf, Mason it could be a matter of opinion, but Mason was special to me because he was a big that that actually handled the ball, big not just tall. Cambers was ,more of a sentimental comparison and I already conceded LO was better then him, but LO and Chambers share the fact that they came of the bench and represented the working class and was the heart of the team, much like Haslem in Miami. Other then that they are above avg rebounders and solid post defenders.

  • shutup

    Get off his d!ck

  • shutup

    Magic Johnson…….lmfao. Acting like LO was a rim protector with his 0.9 blocks per game avg.

  • LakeShow

    Yes… I am the one that is being silly…

    Nice job naming that ONE player I asked for btw.

  • Ugh

    Out of curiosity, LakeShow, how much of the Bulls second threepeat did you watch?

  • LakeShow

    Tyson Chandler is a career 1.3 bpg…

    Does that make him not a very good rim protector also?

  • LakeShow

    Good portion’s of the post season, but not too much RS.

    I was pretty young.

    Since then, I have gone back and watched allot of those playoffs games again too.

  • speedy

    Chris Webber, Anthony Mason,James Worthy, Detlef Schrempf, Toni Kukoc… There Are a lot of guys with a great skillset.

    Lamar was good, but not better, then these guys.

  • LakeShow

    Chris Webber didn’t have the handle. He couldn’t run the point. He could run the Point-forward, but not initiate offense and bring the ball up like Lamar.

    Other than that, he is fairly similar overall.

    Anthony Mason didn’t have the jump shot or range, but overall a pretty good comparison.

    James Worthy was not a good post defender against PF’s, and he did not initiate the offense or rebound like Odom.

    Detlef Schrempf could not defend the paint or rebound as well as Odom, and was a much better scorer.

    Toni Kukoc could not play PF with Odom’s success, nor rebound, nor defend the paint like Odom.

    You then end your point with the statement: “Lamar was good, but not better, then these guys.”

    Where did you get the idea that my argument was Odom was “better” than other multi-faceted players??

  • JC

    I’m totally on your side in this argument, but i’m not feeling this talk of Odom being this big who was out there making 3′s when he is only like a career 31% shooter. Doesn’t rally matter how many he took when his percentage was that miserable.

  • LakeShow

    My point was to refute that Chambers was the shooter Odom was.

    Chambers shot 30% on 1200 less attempts than Odom.

    31% is just within limits of a respectable % for a PF. Especially considering he had seasons of near 40%.

    Rasheed Wallace took 3228 3pt attempts and he is only a 33% shooter.

    Not saying you don’t have a point, you’re right that he was not a marksmen. Wasn’t trying to say he was. But it is respectable enough for it to be a point.

  • speedy

    I just don’t get why he is getting put on a podium for being so special by you.

  • Mike From Spain

    Old joke… ‘I don’t have a problem with drugs, I have a problem without them’

  • Ugh

    I don’t think any of these multifacted players had Odom’s capacity for totally idiotic in-game decisions though.

    Okay, maybe Mason.

  • Ugh

    You really have to worry when someone says “I’VE FINALLY GOT YOU!”. It’s really creepy to think someone is taking any of this seriously.
    How’s it make you feel, nbk?

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    it makes me feel weird. lol

  • LakeShow

    Because he is.

    I’m not saying he is better or completely different than any of these guys, just that his body of work and skill-set was very rare.

    Many of those guys could do two of three things but not all three like Odom.

    He is a very rare breed.

  • Clos1881

    Good comparison neither was as good as they were predicted to be or could have been.

  • The Philosopher

    I stand corrected.
    I thought people were saying that he was Vince Carter, or somebody… lol.

  • http://twitter.com/sooperfadeaway nbk

    oh helllllllll no, just that he would dunk on people. he wasn’t afraid to meet at the rim, even if he wasn’t that far above it.

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