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Tuesday, November 5th, 2013 at 9:30 am  |  78 responses

Chris Paul Dominates Jeremy Lin and the Rockets (VIDEO)

Defining ‘floor general.’

Here is a two-minute highlight package of Chris Paul making Jeremy Lin look terrible on the basketball court. CP3 finished with 23 points and 17 assists last night, as the Clippers routed Houston 137-118.

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  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    CP3 the best but man did they miss Beverly last night. Lin is atrocious .

  • Stepfan Raiford

    But every elite PG kills Lin though.

  • CCT

    Shows yet again just how horrible Jeremy Lin is.

  • danpowers

    elite pgs usually kill each other in the times of no hand checking. lin just doesnt “kill” others even though he earns pretty good money for being average. letting him go was one of the few real good moves by the knicks front office lol

    i am exaggerating a bit tho, his offensive output is really decent so far.

  • Dagger

    Are we sure this wasn’t the fourth installment of Uncle Drew?

  • Stepfan Raiford

    Good fit as a sixth man, just not as a starter imo.

  • Otis

    This is kinda harsh on Lin – anyone woulda struggled to guard Paul the way he played last night…

  • danpowers

    wouldnt be too suprised if the rockets actually use him that way later in the season. beverley should be ready to go soon and the rockets would be really better off bringing lin off the bench, even if mchale would give him more minutes than beverley

  • thebossman15

    a lot of elite pg’s kill cp3 too tho lol, dude gets bullied all the time..at least he got to reverse the roles this time on a young lin

  • Chubachuchi

    Saw the game it wasn’t just Lin the whole Rockets defense was out of sync. Cp3 just being cp3. Dude could create offense if his teammates were rocks

  • Dfrance

    I don’t recall a headline when he gave Steph Curry 40+ points, but he scores 23 “on Lin” and its domination?

    There wasn’t one play there where Lin wasn’t run off a screen or 3, cut him some slack.

  • Stepfan Raiford

    How do you feel about the Asik Howard “Twin Towers”? I don’t really like it. It can work against bad teams (ahem the bobcats), but the spacing issues.

  • Will Lee

    Lin defended him right, just cp3 was so unguardable last night

  • Chubachuchi

    Yeah Lin is actually a good player he’s just overpaid.

  • Indemnity

    You’re absolutely kidding yourself if you think any one player can contain an elite player one on one in today’s game. All the great defenses in the game have great team defenses, not because they have some kind of defensive stalwart. Moreover, PG has the least defensive impact of all positions in the game. CP3 would straight light up any PG and it doesn’t matter who they are. “Atrocious”? I love how you bandy that word around as if it means anything. You’re an idiot.

  • Surety

    Sensational headlines is Slam’s shtick right now. They’ve really been reduced to just another blog these days. I wonder if the magazine even sells well anymore given the amount of writing talent that has deserted this company.

  • danpowers

    i think its too early to judge. we havent seen a comparable twin tower combo in today’s nba, because at least one of the twin tower tandems we see usually has at least a mid range shot. imo the loss to the clips had more to do with their foul trouble, harden’s off night and the best point guard in the game putting on a show. the rockets didnt look bad on offense as caspi, garcia and parsons are quite a bunch of wings to put around their bigs to space the floor nicely. guess we will see within the next 15 to 20 games if that asik n howard experiment went wrong or right.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    did i say he can stop him? Plus Lin’s defense is atrocious. Get out your feelings.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    yup, Dwill kills him every time.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    true, running off screens is something CP3 perfected.

  • Dfrance

    He’s the best at it. He’ll run you through the screen and if you get through he’ll run you right back through the same screen. Without a mobile big man giving you a good hedge, there’s very little you can do as a defender.

  • hkn

    There has been so much hate on Jeremy Lin lately. Honestly if he was black he wouldn’t have received so much criticism. Nobody wants to admit it, but everybody knows that this has something to do with him being Chinese.

  • Ugh

    C’mon, man, at :49 Lin isn’t even looking to see if he’s being screened left. At 1:24 he gets screened by his own teammate. At 1:34 he just plain gets beat. His peripheral vision is bad and he’s literally half the speed Paul is. He’s getting owned. Badly.

  • Mouton

    Well if he was black he would have never been as hyped up as he was during the Linsanity era. He recieves such criticism because he was overhyped by the media and can’t live up to their expectations. This happens to alot of players I think he is a good player, not great but certainly not terrible by any means.

  • Above_You

    He had a short stretch of historic games for a no name former college player, and Ivy League at that.

    The guy did it playing in the media capital of this country. It’s easy to point to his race as the reason behind the hype, but people forget those other more important variables so that they can jump to the race conclusion. If Lin were black with his story, and playing in NY you are insane to think he wouldn’t receive that hype. I’m black and I’m a NYer so I’m being as objective as it gets. CP dominated him because he’s CP. Like you said, people just love bashing Lin, and much of the hate is out of proportion compared to a lot of other overhyped athletes.

  • Lloyd

    It was a great story. The fact that he was Asian was definitely a catalyst though. Look at Michael Carter-Williams’ first week. He was named the Eastern Conference player of the week as a rook and doesn’t have that much buzz (compared to Lin). Geography may have a lot to do with the whole Linsanity craze, but let’s not act like the race thing wasn’t a big deal. Otherwise there wouldn’t be headlines like “Chink in the Armour”, “Amasian”, “The Knicks’ Good Fortune” with Lin’s face over a fortune cookie, and the “couple inches of pain” tweet.

    If you like him because of his performance and you’re blind to colour, good on you. Most other people do realize that his race was a part of the hype and don’t think he deserved as much as he got.

  • Above_You

    MCW was a top 11 draft pick from a “basketball” school. Hardly a comparable example to Lin’s story, though I agree he deserves more attention.

    No other underachieving team in the league gets as much coverage as the Knicks. Where he played cannot be understated. Those headlines were uneccessary, lazy, uncreative, stupid, and callous. They were a clear result of the decline of modern journalism. Some “journalists” were even disciplined for them. Many in the media inserted race where it didn’t belong, but to say a black player with his background wouldn’t have received that hype while playing for the Knicks is delusional. By virtue of ignorant, stereotypical views of black intelligence alone–and black athletes in particular– an undrafted player from Harvard playing in the media capital would’ve been super hyped. I understand where you’re coming from, but I just can’t agree that race was the biggest factor in the Lin hype.

  • LakeShow

    So that’s what the best Point Guard in basketball looks like.

    Beauty…

  • LakeShow

    What hate is he getting? Calm down..

  • outty

    Good point. Imagine the ignorant headlines about the black kid better at academics than he is at sports.

    I think the general issue is society and the media’s obsession with being able to box each other into these neat descriptions with clear limitations. It’s just stupid, and there is truth to what you are saying and what they are saying.

    One a related note, the basketball hate on Lin is similar to the U.S hate on Obama. Sure you have your reasons for not loving the guy’s game, but why such strong hate?

  • Dfrance

    When you’re guarding the ball you don’t constantly look around for screens, think maybe his big man didn’t alert him? It’s his fault he got screened by his own teammate?

    My point is, he’s playing against arguably the best PG in the world and SLAM puts up a headline that he got dominated… for giving up 23 points while running through ball screens all game? Do they do that to any other player? Carter-Williams went off on the Bulls did they say Rose got dominated? CP3 gave the Steph Curry 43, 15 and 6 steals and didn’t even get a headline.

  • Mouton

    Well I’m black too so what does that mean?? Nothin, when it comes to basketball I don’t see color it’s either you can play or you can’t. Nate Robinson has been doing what Lin did for years, he never got a big contract and he can be considered an underdog as well not because of his race but his height. I just think that Lin gets more hate because of the lofty expectations, and big contract. Race does play a factor to some people and they are idiots.

  • Lloyd

    There’s only been 10 or so Asian basketball players in NBA history. There are countless African-American ones. Sure Lin’s numbers were great for that small stretch of Linsanity, but it was more amazing because it’s never been done by an Asian PG in the NBA. If he were black, he’d just be another exceptionally talented black PG with a good story. He’d get media coverage sure, but a whole media frenzy? I mean non-basketball watching folks knew about it. From Toronto, I was at the game where he hit the game winner against us. Do you know how many Asians showed out with signs/gear representing him? Would a black player get that much attention and support after a WEEK?

    Why do you think Muggsy Bogues got attention? His numbers were underwhelming, but incredible to see because he was so short compared to every other baller in the L. If Muggsy Bogues was 8 or 9 inches taller, he’d be easily forgettable. In the same way, if Lin were black, he’d be easily forgettable.

    Again, Lin’s story was great, but it was greater because he was Asian. It definitely set it apart from any other great basketball story and made it more appealing to the masses. The like of it had never been seen before.

  • Above_You

    It’s not rocket science. If I stated I’m not Asian it’s clear that I’m conveying that my opinion isn’t biased due to an Asian background. If you comprehended what you read you’d see that I also highlighted the fact that I’m a New Yorker, which many people stupidly believe makes one a biased, rabid Knick fan who bought into the Lin hype. Not quite sure how that flew over your head.

  • Above_You

    Asian or not, you cannot name these so-called countless black players who put up a similar string of games after being undrafted out of an Ivy League school. You can’t do it because regardless of his race, the path he took to putting together that string of games in the world’s media capital hadn’t happened to countless NBA players. Undrafted out of Harvard drops 42 on the Lakers while playing for the Knicks, blah blah blah. That’s typical for an NBA player? Was he overhyped? Yes. Analyze his competition and his team’s style of play during that brief stretch and it’s easy to see why it was silly to hype him the way he was. But don’t act like him being Asian was the sole reason people were paying attention to him. Don’t downplay the whole story because you are preoccupied with a false narrative perpetuated by some in the media.

  • thebossman15

    lol, hes the first person that came to my mind

  • LP @ThisisEther

    THIS IS Some of THE BEST POINT GUARD PLAY I’VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE….

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Also Lin had 14 points and 8 assists that game… It’s not like he sucked.

  • Lloyd

    I didn’t say it was the sole reason. it’s definitely a large reason though. An incredible string of games is impressive in basketball circles. “Linsanity” was a phenomenon that superceded the NBA though. It became a pop culture media frenzy. Why would the non-basketball public care? Because he’s Asian excelling somewhere where Asians are “not supposed to”. That’s why non-basketball watching Asians embraced him as an icon too.

    What false narrative? He’s Asian and good. Something that has never been seen before (save Yao) …

    No one is saying that that 10 game stretch wasn’t a nice feel good story and impresive. If you appreciate Linsanity from a statistical point of view, good for you. However, you live in a different world than everyone else if you think that no one saw that he was an Asian in the NBA and didn’t think that it was more impressive because of that. If you don’t agree with it, that’s one thing but to say that it wasn’t a huge reason for his popularity is wrong.

  • Above_You

    So your problem is that Asians wouldn’t care if he were black? I’m not understanding, are you saying Asians were overhyping him, OR more tuned into basketball because of him? Those are two separate things. When did Asians start declaring him amongst the best pgs in the league (hype)? I must have missed that part of Linsanity, even though I live in the epicenter of it. So what if more Asians tuned in, you can’t say he was unworthy of the attention at the time based on his numbers. Why is that a source of resentment?

    Bottom line, “Linsanity” couldn’t have happened in Orlando, Charlotte, Milwaukee etc. Non-basketball fans knew about it because he played on the biggest stage in sports. You also can’t say a black player wouldn’t have been hyped with those games, even if he wasn’t huge in Taiwan. He still would have gotten more hype and attention that his potential truly warranted. You and I aren’t going to agree on this issue. I feel like no matter what, people are going to have this resentment against the kid, whether they weigh all aspects of his story or not. You can go ahead with the whole “if he were black narrative” all you want, but at the end of the day you can’t change the fact that the undrafted kid from Harvard playing in NYC is a story that would have been blown up no matter the race of the player. That’s the bottom line.

  • Above_You

    Very interesting P.O.V. I agree.

  • T-man

    CP3 for MVP

  • Lloyd

    I’m not saying I had a problem with Asians tuning in. It just shows that those Asian people tuned in not because of what he was doing with the basketball, but rather because he was Asian and doing it. That’s the overall point I’m making. Actual basketball performance wasn’t the driving force of Linsanity.

    How are you not seeing that this isn’t about race? Even Jeremy Lin has stated that he has had to fight through prejudice to get to where he is. Do you know why? Because he’s Asian! No one thinks that Asian basketball players can play basketball as good as, or better than, an African-American one. Jeremy Lin’s short spurt defied that stereotype. That’s what made it so huge…he defied the odds and did something that he wasn’t supposed to be able to do.

    Have you heard that story about the autistic manager of the HS basketball team finally getting some PT and hitting 6 3′s? If the manager didn’t have a mental disability, would this story have been as big as it was? It’d just be another kid getting a chance to play and proving himself. Good story, but it could happen. That autistic boy did something that he wasn’t supposed to be able to do. I’m not saying being Asian is the same thing as having a mental illness, but Lin’s “handicap” was that he was Asian. It was what made people think he couldn’t do what he did. The fact THAT he did it in spite of that is what was impressive to masses.

    Again, what he did from a basketball point of view was amazing, no one is discrediting what he did in that short stretch and it was an incredible story (for a span of 10 games). The fact that he was Asian definitely took the story and made it appealing to the masses.

    And please stop making the Knicks seem like the centre of the universe. Ask non-basketball fans who Carmelo, Amare, or Tyson Chandler is and you probably would only get one name recognized, if any. It helped that it was in NY, but Linsanity story could’ve unfolded in Toronto or L.A. just as easily.

    And he doesn’t get resented because he’s Asian. He gets hated on because he got unwarranted hype. The fact that most of the hype was around him being Asian doesn’t mean they hate him for being Asian.

  • gigi G

    This is ridiculous. Lin played the best in the team that day.
    The title should be: Linsanity V2: Lin held two opponent point guard scoreless in back-to-back games. Paul was held to score the second less of this season as last year’s MVP, only 23 points.
    Then you would attract more reader.

  • Above_You

    Your points are all over the place. No one claimed his race wasn’t highlighted, but you can’t even pinpoint the focus of your issue. The only thing you’ve stated–that is universally agreed upon–is that he widened his Asian audience. Nothing wrong with that any more than Tiger Woods peeking black interest in golf during his prime.

    You suggested a black player doing the same thing would have been slighted, which you clearly couldn’t prove because you have yet to name the black player with a comparable situation. If you have to create a false victim for you argument, you should examine what your real issue is. You are so caught up in hating the fact that a player who happened to get a cult following was Asian that you are ignoring the basketball related reasons as to why he was overhyped.

    You are a hypocrite. If all of his hype was about race, then so is all the hate and happiness to see him fail. It works both ways. Your problem isn’t even basketball related. You are focusing SOLELY on his race. The only thing you’ve proved in terms of race and the Lin situation is that prejudice is present in every group of people.

    And FYI, you have to be pretty silly to understate NY media influence. A non-sports fan will be able to name a player or two off of the Yankees, Knicks, etc long before they will be able to name a Raptor, Buck, Philly etc. That’s just how it is. I don’t need to hype anything. I won’t keep going on about this because your last post pretty much proved my point about Lin hate. Like dude up top said, it is very reminiscent of Obama haters. I’m done here.

  • ForTheLin

    Hater alert. Dominate? Didn’t Paul go off for 42 points against Golden Star and Stephen Curry? I didn’t hear “dominate” in that game? In fact, Lin stayed in front of Paul and played relatively good D on him, and Paul basically put up a prayer. If you understand basketball, any good coach would have said that was decent D.

  • Lloyd

    How are they all over the place? I’m saying what I’ve been saying: the masses don’t prioritize what he does on the basketball court, the phenomenon was created because he’s Asian. Why would a non-basketball watching fan care about a stat line or a string of good games? Just as a non-basketball fan wouldn’t care about an average HS manager coming off the bench and hitting 6 three’s. The fact that these individuals did something that no one believed they could do is what brought all the attention to it.

    Read the article about the adversity that Lin has had to go through to be taken seriously as a baller. He’s had to fight the stigma and the stereotypes that were put on him because he was Asian. Do you think that these stereotypes and prejudices do not exist? Lin is Asian. He’s not supposed to dominate black players in basketball. That’s the stereotype that he defied, so it made headlines. To anyone who doesn’t watch basketball, it’s completely about race. If you’re a stat purist who likes a good underdog story, that’s you, but the mass hysteria of Linsanity was because he was Asian. The issue wasn’t that he drew Asian fans, but that they, like most of the other non-basketball public were drawn to the story because he’s Asian (not because he was undrafted out of Harvard).

    If it were only basketball fans that were hyping him, then I can completely get behind the numbers he put up as the reason for his hype. Most basketball fans that I know didn’t even buy into it. We saw that as soon as teams started making adjustments to defend Lin, that whole system would crumble. Linsanity was largely fabricated by the media and the non-basketball watching public.

    Look at it like this. Why was Jackie Robinson’s story timeless? Dude was a great player, but he’s not recognized for the fact that he stole bases or was Rookie of the Year, it’s because he was BLACK. He did something that no one of his kind did before, that they weren’t supposed to do. Lin is the same in just a more tolerant and progressive society.

    And there hasn’t been a comparable story because black basketball players are accepted as being the norm. If there happens to be one that is a little better than the rest, oh well. Lebron just hit a string of 500 games with 10 or more pts. Why is that not a huge story? Because he’s expected to do it. If a kid with one arm does it? Freakin’ media circus.

    And the hate is because the hype was unwarranted, not because he’s Asian. There are so many better PGs in the league. Dude may not even be the best PG on his team. I’d be pissed too if a mediocre guy was getting hyped like that for a string of 10 games when I know I’m better than him. They don’t hate why he was hyped, they hate that he was.

    And I was talking about the market for it. The Lakers have the media and the attention of the world as well, and Toronto has the multi-cultural aspect. Lin would’ve been huge here. But again, all speculation that doesn’t change the fact that him being Asian had a lot to do with him getting so much attention, and not just as a far off secondary reason.

    I don’t have a problem with Lin at all. My problem is that you simplified the situation to “Lin’s a good player with a good story, race doesn’t and shouldn’t matter”. I love the innocence, but the world doesn’t work like that kid

  • Whitman Lam

    With the refs on Chris Paul’s side, Beverley would have fouled out in 12 minutes just for touching Paul, contesting a shot, or fighting through a screen.

  • Ugh

    Sure, the point you make here is fair, but the comment I made above is about you apologising for Lin by making excuses that don’t hold water.

    Yes, you can actually constantly keep an eye out for screens, and you can make up for having poor communication in your teammates.

    Great defenders rarely get caught off guard by screens as Lin does here. They not be able to go under/over it or get caught trying to push through it, but great defenders don’t get caught by surprise very often at all. watch Jordan, Pippen or Payton for players who constantly move their head without getting caught looking away.

    And great defensive players also don’t have teammates who don’t call screens or get in the wrong position. case in point: Kevin Garnett. Both he and Jordan would have a teammate in the wrong position once and once only. A second time sees them crying in the changeroom… or in Davis’ case, on the bench.

    Lin’s not a player of the calibre of those guys, sure, but saying “there’s very little you can do” or “it isn’t his fault” just isn’t true.

  • Above_You

    The same way a casual sports fan becomes interested in ANY sports phenomenon, REPEATED MEDIA COVERAGE. Sorry but Toronto media doesn’t have that kind of influence.

    Your analogies do not fit. Lin did something no other undrafted Ivy player had done. His stretch would have been historic no matter what his race was.

    That’s why your point doesn’t make sense. You are comparing a disabled athlete doing something that millions had done before. If you cannot name the black athlete who did the same thing Lin did your analogy makes zero sense. Jackie Robinson makes ZERO sense here because he was the first black player where Lin wasn’t the first Asian NBA, and it was widely known that the black players were capable, despite racist denials by those against league integration. Check your sports history. NUMBERS AND STATS AND WINS is what I mean by comparable. A guy with a similar background and the same stretch of stats and wins. That isn’t the norm for black player, because Lin was the first undrafted, former non starting Ivy league player to post those numbers. Check your basketball history. The fact that the stereotype of Asians not playing basketball well exists does nothing for you here because it didn’t fit as neatly as you wanted it to, meaning he wasn’t the first to do anything on that front. Yao already knocked down that door, and the other variables of Lin’s story would have made a player of any race famous, especially playing in NY.

    Look, I’m not going to keep repeating myself. You haven’t swayed me, and I couldn’t care less about swaying you. I’m still going to think the same thing about hypocrites who claim that his hype and not their hate is race based. We can just agree to disagree here.

  • jUsSaYin

    Lin is gonna make writers and commentators do wat Yao Ming did to Charles Barkley…kiss a donkeys ass

  • Dfrance

    He got caught off guard on one screen, you’re acting like he slammed into every screen set.

    Anyway, my point is not to make excuses for Lin, he’s not an elite defender, but can we really call 23 points domination when most of the points were obtained through pick and rolls and not individual, 1 on 1 moves? Not watching the vid again but I recall maybe 1 instance where CP3 straight up beat him without any help.

    Don’t get me wrong, CP3 would chew Lin up without a screen, but in this game in particular, I don’t think the headline was warranted.

  • Denzel Boksingero

    Chris Paul scored 23 points and 17 assists on Lin, who was not the Rockets’ primary ball handler. Lin had 14 points and 8 assists. If Lin was the primary ball handler like Chris Paul, he could have scored at least 20 points and 12 assists on Chris Paul. He could draw more fouls on Chris Paul if he was given an opportunity to attack the basket. It was an uneven match where Lin always needs to defend Chris Paul, but can’t punch as much because his hands were tied. If Lin was allowed to punch back, he could have make it a fight against Chris Paul like last season where the Lin-led Rockets dominated the Clippers (98-81) when Harden was out. Paul had 42 points and 15 assists against Stephen Curry, who was the Warrior’s ball handler, but is there a SLAM video showing this? GIFs, Videos, are spreading to embarrass Jeremy Lin? Why are media people bullying Jeremy Lin?

  • Denzel Boksingero

    I hope Beverly would start over Lin in the next game against the Clippers, to see whether he is a much better defender than Lin.

  • Justin Kase

    CP3 traveled at the .32 second mark.

  • Lloyd

    If you want an exact side by side comparison, you’re not going to be able to do that with anyone. You need to look at circumstance. The fact that many have done it before in the case of the mentally disabled kid proves the point even more…it was given attention because he was different. In the same way, Lin’s short run was great. The fact that it hadn’t been done before would’ve been incredible in sports circles, but it was given so much attention because he was different.

    And that’s what I’m saying…Jackie Robinson DID have great numbers, but he’s not remembered for that. He’s remembered for being the first of his kind to do something that they weren’t able to before…like Lin.

    And if you want exact comparison’s, Yao wouldn’t cut it here. Lin was doing things that Yao couldn’t. Besides, Yao’s hype was around being Asian too. There have been many 7-footers since him, why don’t they get the same media attention? Not saying that Yao wasn’t skilled, but the fact that he was a skilled Asian 7-footer was phenomenal. Whatever these individuals do, it’s going to be skewed by the public perceptions of their race.

    As a brown guy I can say that if an Indian guy ever got in the league and had a modicum of success, older Indians and other brown people would flock to support him. Not because they’re fans of basketball or because he’s playing well, but because he’s their different. If the league was full of Indians who did well, they wouldn’t care because the individual wouldn’t matter. The world is about race as much as you’d like to sing kumbaya and pretend it isn’t.

    Like I said, Lin’s short run was amazing…no one is discrediting his numbers. But the fact that he got so much media attention outside of just Sports broadcasting and public reception is because he was different. Anything he does in the league is always going to looked at through that scope.

    And I don’t know if you know what hypcritical means…how is saying his hype was mainly because race and saying he’s hated on by other players because he was undeservedly hyped hypocritical? The reason of the hype isn’t the cause for disdain, it’s that he was hyped is what rubs people the wrong way. Those people don’t think someone should be hyped for anything besides their skils.

    Anyway if I can’t say that his hype was based on race, you can’t say his hype was based on numbers. You can’t see reason because you want someone who had a similar run to prove it isn’t so. I just point to the fact that these people overcame racial and other prejudice to do what they did, and that’s more important than stats to the average person. But good luck living in that utopia where everyone is colourless.

  • Above_You

    Dude, look. I’m not going to keep going back and forth with you. The Jackie Robinson analogy makes no sense, and I’m not sure if you fully know how to create a proper analogy if you can’t see exactly why it makes no sense.

    People hate Lin because they feel black players wouldn’t have gotten attention for what he was doing, and that makes no sense to people with REAL knowledge on NBA history. I don’t care if you won’t acknowledge that anymore than I care whether Obama haters will acknowledge their race based hatred. The conversation is OVER.

  • Lloyd

    It’s an example. Jackie Robinson’s stats don’t matter as much as the fact that he was black, even though the stats were impressive. Lin’s situation was the same in that matter. You need an analogy that fits up perfectly to Linsanity. You can’t have that because there is not a comparable situation.

    What knowledge of NBA history would disprove the fact that Lin is 1 of 10 Asian players in league history, and was one of the two who were actually dominant rather than being scrubs? Yao was the same in height and big-man skill, Lin did it from the point. There have never been two like them…ever. The rarity makes them special.

    Black players are dominant all the time and they don’t get the same kind of media coverage. Linsanity was bigger than Lebron winning rings. Black players are supposed to be good. The run was definitely historic, but it created a media frenzy because he was Asian. Asian players aren’t supposed to do anything like that. If you admit there’s prejudice, then how can you not think it’s a huge deal when someone defies that prejudice? That’s more important than stats, especially to people who don’t watch basketball or don’t do so on a regular basis.

    People hated Lin because he was hyped because of race instead of his skill. His stats got worse each week and now no one cares about him anymore since he’s mediocre. It’s just another case of unearned hype and now he’s forgotten. Seems like you’re painting anyone that doesn’t like Jeremy Lin as a racist who pretends like they’re not…

  • Above_You

    Again, your understanding of how an analogy works isn’t completely thorough and I haven’t the patience to explain why. If you can admit that you haven’t an example that fits, why keep going? That makes absolutely no sense.

    If you cannot name the black player who put up the same run, YOUR ARGUMENT is pointless. That’s what I mean by your lack of basketball history. I can answer it for you: there hasn’t been a black player in history to do what he did with his background. I don’t know about Canada, but here in the States, you are smoking if you think Lebron’s ring was a lesser story. Now you are just making sh!t up, further damaging your already flaw laden argument.

    Why are you continuing to argue over this? Do you really believe you’re going to convince me using bad arguments? Even if you had a good one you’d still fail at that, but to continue arguing using broken analogies and contradictory ideas is crazy to me. It makes no sense lol. You’re going to write another few paragraphs of loosely associated ideas with no success? Be my guest but this is the last time I’m not entertaining it. If you haven’t swayed me by now you never will. Stop waisting your time.

  • Guest

    This is so misleading. Paul played well but didn’t really dominate JL, JL’s defense wasn’t terrible on Paul and JL has turned into a pretty strong defender. Also JL blew by Paul a few times and made a few nice plays of his own in that game.

  • Guest

    He’s actually American. Tawainese-American. I get your point though. I think it is the hype. But Lin plays hard, plays with respect, represents himself well and is a good representative of the NBA. He also said he wasn’t that crazy about the Linsanity thing and the exposure and hype he was getting.

  • Guest

    Lin has totally outplayed Beverley on defense. Lin played Kemba Walker, Lilliard, Calderon and Nash better than Beverley has. Beverley has given up more points on those players than Lin has. Lin’s defense is very effective now. You definitely haven’t been watching Houston’s games to think Beverley has been playing any big time defense. He got hurt bug in the games he played, his defense has not been on Lin’s level.

  • http://signup.divinerenergy.com/ Anthony Dixon

    lol how can you prove this with facts?

  • Guest

    No. Did you see LIn play Lilliard, rookie of the year in the Portland vs. Houston game? Lin played tough D on Lilliard who only scored like 6 points on LIn. When Beverley was put on Lilliard, Lilliard scored a lot easier. Lin’s defense is a lot better than people think it is.

  • Guest

    Beverley is starting. He had a bad game against the Lakers. Lin is going to be a good to near star or star player in a few more seasons but doubters are doubters and time will tell how good he is.

  • Lloyd

    An analogy is a comparison between two different things to prove a point. Saying, “here’s an apple, here’s another apple, they’re both apples” is what you’re looking for. It really speaks to your clear cut, and unrealistic, worldview. Since Lin’s run doesn’t have someone who did the same thing, you can’t find an exact comparison for your limited definition of “analogy”. The theme of “difference, racial or otherwise, as a reason for public interest over performance” ran throughout all my examples. That’s the point I’ve been explicitly making consistently. That’s not loose association, that’s as direct as you can be without screaming it in your ear. Reading comprehension…

    I’ve already aknowledged that Lin’s run was historic because no other player, black or Asian has ever done it before. That’s not the point here. The point is that it was made bigger than just stats and a good run because he was different, against the norm, doing something that his “kind” wasn’t supposed to do.

    And Lebron getting his rings was bigger in sports circles maybe. I’m talking about the fact that Linsanity superceded that. Again, an athlete winning a championship is not even close on the matter of importance than a player overcoming prejudice and breaking down barriers to the average person. Last time I checked, there were more average people than basketball fans.

    Again brother, go with God and enjoy your world where you’re judged by merit and not by what you look like or other superficial characteristics. It must be nice…

  • Bananafish

    I love the Lin picked up when CP kicked them. That’s just plain stupid.

  • Bananafish

    I meant the foul Lin picked up.

  • LakeShow

    wasting**

    I know how much you care about grammar :)

    I got your back lil bud.

  • Above_You

    Look at you finally learning the English language, as a born and raised American. Good lookin’ out, cuz!

  • LakeShow

    I didn’t read anything you wrote. I just saw the misspelling and saw that it was the guy that likes to sit in the weeds and call people out over ridiculous stuff, and figured i’d give you some of your own medicine. It tastes like cherry cough syrup though. Really, really, gross. I don’t like the flavor. You can keep it.

    BTW… There is suppose to be a comma after “and” in your “born and raised American” sentence.

    I know how serious the sanctity is of the English language to you. So I want to keep helping you out with your perfection of English grammar. I personally am not to worried about my grammar so don’t worry bout me

    :)

  • Above_You

    There was supposed to be a common before your “lil bud” quip as well, but I guess you knew that. Here’s something else you probably already know: You’re most likely physically smaller than my 6’5 240 lb frame, and certainly too young to be in my social circle, much less be my “big bud”. But back to the subject :)

    It’s not my fault you have trouble with first grade homophones. I’m not sorry you are sensitive over your shortcomings in that area. It’s not my fault you have so little understanding of racism that you make stupid remarks that only you think are witty. I’m not sorry you’re still salty about being called out on the stupidity of your posts.

    I can’t be any clearer on these things. I don’t care about your feelings. I won’t stop commenting how I comment. Now, if you’d like to continue cyber stalking me, be my guest. I’ll just chalk it up to you being even more of a weirdo than you come off as.

  • LakeShow

    I’m not a grammar nazi though.

    I don’t care if I misspell or don’t have appropriate punctuation or whatever.

    You do.

    So I will hold you to a higher standard.

    I’m like 10lbs shy of you and the same height, and i’m assuming that your not 240lbs of solid muscle so the extra 10 lbs of fat you have on me is fine lil bud.

    Do you even comment on here? I never see you unless it’s you just poppin’ in to call someone out. I’d love to hear your basketball insights… if you had any…

    I will continue to hold you to the highest grammatical standards. And you can continue to down-vote my comments and sit in the grass and be a troll.

    Enjoy life lil bud.

  • Above_You

    LOL Emotional much? Very little fat. Even after I stopped playing ball I stayed in the gym. Sorry to disappoint your 20 year old, insecure little boy heart… I don’t down vote comments– let alone yours–because I rarely pay attention to anything you have to say. The obsession is one-way, little boy. My already low opinion of you is pretty much solidified by the fact that you came to a “dead” thread to confront me about ‘down votes,’ and your bad grammar.

    I don’t care about your standards any more than I care about your feelings. You seem to care a lot about my opinion of you, and I find that creepy and hilarious. You stalk my comments; clearly you see me commenting here. That’s the difference between us. This site is your world. No, I don’t have time to debate all day every day, like you do in your cubicle. When I have down time and I’m in my office, and I feel like it I will. And if I feel like poking fun at your dumb @ss, I will. And there’s nothing you can do about it. Get over it.

  • LakeShow

    I can’t even get past your first line… calling me emotional while getting all emotional lol.

    See ya around the block “big boy.”

  • Above_You

    Your feelings are hurt lol. It’s okay. Not everyone needs to be your “online friend”. Now you can go back to being ignored by me. I know how much it gets under your skin, lady.

  • LakeShow

    I can’t begin to tell you how emotionally distraught I am over this…

    I am seeing counseling though so I might make it through… MIGHT…

  • Greencar

    CP3 show that JL does not belonged in the NBA. The NBA is different than playing in China. The NBA level is much higher.

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