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Thursday, January 24th, 2008 at 6:31 am  |  727 responses

The Post Up: Jose Calderonnn

Minnesota, New Orleans, Cleveland

By: Holly MacKenzie

Tonight hurt as a Lakers fan. To be up like that from playing the game the RIGHT way and then to come out after the half and just deviate from everything that was good and right and easy? No.

I do not want to talk about this game yet I feel like I need to. Lakers play amazing ball in the first half, ball movement, everyone is involved, passing, cutting, dunking, LA is up by nine at the half. Of course, it then takes them until the 5:29 mark in the third quarter to score for the first time out of the break. Game over. Momentum has swung, Spurs get their groove back. The Lakers completely collapse in the second half. Kobe had 29 points, 12 rebounds 5 assists. Don’t be deceived, only one of those assists came in the second half, he had four of his shots blocked and 9 horrendous turnovers. With the exception of Farmar, Turiaf and even Vujacic, there was a huge drop off in energy for the Lakers and the Spurs outscored the Lakers by 19 points in the third (31-12. 12!), to go into the fourth up by 10. End of story.

Okay, enough ranting. This game is over, this discussion is over and I am done thinking about SA.

Jose Calderon continued his strong play last night as he gave the Raptors the win against Boston with a HUGE three-point play on their final possession. People can say whatever they want about whether he deserves to be an all-star or not, I don’t think he really cares or gets caught up in the hype. His main focus is on helping his team get better and he has been doing a great job of that. I can’t wait to see him play next week.

Before the game last night the most points scored by an opponent in Boston was 96. The Raptors had 114 and finally got a win against the Celtics to finish 1-3 against them.

I thought one of the more exciting matchups of the night would be Cleveland and Washington. Ha, it was like the New York @ Boston debacle earlier this year. I had most of my attention focused towards the Toronto/Boston game and I had joined in on a live blog but, when I flipped and saw the score I immediately went and took my contacts out, rubbed my eyes, put glasses on and tried to refocus. There was no need, as the Cavaliers really were up by almost 40.

Toronto 114 Boston 112

After dropping all three of their previous meetings with Boston this season, this was the Raptors last shot to take down the league-leading Celtics. Thanks to hot shooting from the floor, the three-point line and the foul line the Raptors were able to take a 57-55 halftime lead into the locker room. The Celtics would come back and be up by seven at the start of the fourth where they would remain up by seven with five minutes remaining before the Raptors sprang into action, with four quick points from Chris Bosh to cut into the lead and in the final minute, Jose Calderon knocked down two free throws and the Raptors went up by one. With fourteen seconds on the clock it appeared as though the the victory would go to Boston as Ray Allen knocked down a jumper to give them the 112-111 lead. On the Raptors final possession, it was Calderon who was the star, driving hard to the hoop and not only giving his team a 113-112 lead, getting the foul call where he would complete the three-point play. Trailing by two, the Celtics went for a three and they would miss. Allen grabbed an offensive board but missed the shot attempt as the buzzer sounded. Calderon led Toronto with 24 points, 13 assists and 3 steals, Bosh added 23 points and 7 rebounds, Anthony Parker scored 23 as well. Andrea Bargnani had a strong game with 20 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists and Carlos Delfino added 15 off of the bench. The Raptors shot 58% for the game, 71% from the three-point line and were a perfect 19-19 from the foul line. Kevin Garnett had 26 points, 7 rebounds and 5 assists for the Celtics while Allen and Pierce each added 19 in the loss.

Detroit 86 Philadelphia 78

The Pistons were out-rebounded 47-33 in their game against Philadelphia last night. they also scored only 16 points in the fourth quarter. That didn’t mean anything though because the 76er’s managed even less, scoring 15 points in the final period where they were unable to close the gap and the Pistons walked away with the 86-78 victory and avoided a rare four-game losing streak. While Detroit never really threatened to turn the game into a blowout, they were up nine at the half and they managed to stay in control to get the win as they committed only nine turnovers in the game as compared to 17 for Philadelphia. Richard Hamilton had 21 points for Detroit, Chauncey Billups scored 19 to go with 5 assists and Tayshaun Prince added 16. Willie Green had 16 points in the loss, Samuel Dalembert had 8 points and 13 rebounds, Andre Iguodala scored 15 and Louis Williams added 15.

Dallas 102 Charlotte 95

While the Bobcats have been steadily improving in recent weeks, they fell just short of being able to take down the Mavericks last night. it was not because of a lack of effort but effort alone was not quite enough as the smaller Bobcats were unable to stop Dallas in the final minutes after getting within three points with 2:38 remaining. Charlotte had their chances to tie the game, but they were unable to score while Dallas was solid at the foul line, knocking down six straight to secure the victory. Devin Harris had 23 points and 9 assists for Dallas, Josh Howard added 21 points and 12 boards and Dirk Nowitzki scored 20 points, grabbed 8 rebounds and dished 5 assists to go along with 3 blocked shots. Jason Terry added 16 off of the bench. Gerald Wallace, who was questionable before the game and ended up playing the entire 48 minutes finished with 22 points and 11 rebounds , Jason Richardson had 22 points, 8 rebounds and 5 assists. Emeka Okafor had 19 points, 10 rebounds and 3 blocks and Raymond Felton added 16 points and 7 assists in the loss.

Orlando 112 Memphis 85

The Magic got their third straight victory last night, routing the Grizzlies 112-85 thanks to a strong second quarter and an even stronger fourth. Outscoring Memphis 31-20 in the second quarter to take a 58- 48 halftime lead, the Magic would extend their advantage to 14 points at the start of the fourth where their lead was never in doubt and they went on to win by 27, as they knocked down a franchise-record 18 three-pointers in the game. They shot 18-33 from beyond the arc and had six players finish in double-figures. Hedo Turkoglu had 26 points and 5 assists to lead the Magic, Dwight Howard had 16 points, 10 rebounds and 3 blocks, Rashard Lewis added 19 points as well and Keyon Dooling had 13 as Orlando had only 6 turnovers in the game. Rudy Gay had 20 points and 8 rebounds for Memphis and Pau Gasol added 17 points, 11 rebounds and 5 assists while Mike Conley Jr. had 13 points and 5 assists.

New Orleans 96 Portland 81

After a strong opening quarter that saw Portland go up by eight, the New Orleans Hornets showed their defensive skills as they held the Blazers to only 35% shooting after that first quarter. Down 12 in the fourth, the Blazers cut the lead to 77-72 midway through the quarter, but they would not get any closer as Chris Paul and reserve Jannero Pargo combined for eight quick points that extended the Hornets lead to 87-74 with less than three minutes on the clock. From there, New Orleans easily went on to capture what was their 29th victory of the season. Pargo led the team with 24 points off of the bench, David West had 22 points, Paul finished with 18 points and 10 assists and Tyson Chandler added 9 points and 14 rebounds. LaMarcus Aldridge had 17 points and 8 rebounds for the Blazers, Steve Blake scored 15 while Brandon Roy had 14 points, 7 rebounds and 6 assists and Travis Outlaw had 14 points off of the bench.

Chicago 108 Indiana 95

While these two teams traded big second and third quarters, the fourth quarter belonged to the Bulls, thanks to Kirk Hinrich and his career-high 38 points, 12 of which came in the final period. It was a night when the Bulls needed someone to step up, playing without Luol Deng who was out with an Achilles injury and Ben Gordon who missed the game because of a sprained wrist. While the Bulls gave up 30 points in the third quarter it didn’t matter because a 17-0 run in the second quarter gave them a lead that they would not relinquish. The Pacers came close to pulling off the comeback, cutting the Chicago lead to 79-77 in the opening minutes of the final period, but the Bulls would rattle off a 16-6 run that saw their lead stretch back to 12 midway through the quarter and they would go on for the 108-95 victory. In addition to Hinrich’s career-high 38 points, he also had 10 assists and 7 rebounds. Andres Nocioni scored 24 points and Thabo Sefolosha added 14. Joakim Noah scored 14 points and pulled down 15 boards for the Bulls. Danny Granger had a career-high 33 points in the loss for Indiana, Jeff Foster had 12 points and 11 rebounds and Kareem Rush added 13.

Houston 109 Seattle 107

Thanks to a strong first three quarters from the Seattle Supersonics, the Rockets needed a strong fourth quarter and Tracy McGrady, their still-sore superstar to help them rally for the 109-107 victory on the road. While Seattle led for most of the game, it didn’t matter as the Rockets managed to cut a 10 point deficit with 5 minutes remaining down to a two point deficit with 1:51 on the clock. On the next possession for Houston, McGrady took Kevin Durant by surprise as he knocked-down a step back three as the shot clock expired to give Houston a one-point lead. Kurt Thomas would score to put Seattle back on top but McGrady drove to the basket and again gave Houston the one-point advantage. After Seattle failed to convert on their next possession, McGrady decided to dish rather than score and as he was triple-teamed he found Rafer Alston hanging out behind the three-point line and he knocked down the triple. Durant gave the Sonics another chance as he hit a shot and McGrady missed at the foul line, but the rookie would miss on his final shot attempt. 18 of McGrady’s game-high 28 points were scored in the second half. Yao Ming had 26 points, 12 rebounds and 6 assists. Alston finished with 18, as he knocked down five three-pointers in the game and Shane Battier added 11. Durant finished with 25 points for Seattle, Wally Szczerbiak scored 22 points and Kurt Thomas added 16 points. Nick Collison had 14 rebounds in the game and Luke Ridnour added 10 points and 8 assists.

Cleveland 121 Washington 85

From beginning to end, the Cavaliers led, Zydrunas Ilgauskas was perfect and the Wizards struggled to get anything to go. It was just one of those nights for Washington and the Cavaliers took advantage, pummeling the Wizards 121-85. While the Cavs led 52-46 at the half they had a third quarter they won’t soon forget as they scored 43 points while holding Washington to only 17 points in the period to take a 95-63 lead into the fourth where the starters got to watch from the bench. The Cavaliers finished with 39 assists in the game while committing only 6 turnovers. Ilgauskas went 10-10 from the floor on his way to 24 points, James finished with 23 points, 8 rebounds and 8 assists and Drew Gooden had 18 points and 10 rebounds in the rout. The Wizards were out-rebounded 53-29 for the game as they shot only 39% from the floor while Cleveland checked in at 57%. Brendan Haywood had 11 points for Washington as Caron Butler, Antawn Jamison and Roger Mason each added 10 in the loss.

LA Clippers 111 Sacramento 85

After a close first half that had LA leading by one, the Kings went ice-cold in the second and the Clippers took advantage to turn their game into a blowout before the final quarter. With the Clippers up 50-49, they put the defensive clamps on the Kings in the third as they held them to only 15 points while scoring 26 of their own to take 12-point lead into the fourth. In the final period things continued to get worse for the Kings as they were outscored 35-21 and the Clippers went up by as many as 29 points in the contest. Chris Kaman was a handful for the Kings and he finished with his fifth 20-20 game of his career, scoring 20 points to go along with 21 rebounds, Corey Maggette had 21 points and Tim Thomas scored 17. Rookie Al Thornton was terrific off of the bench, adding 23 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 2 steals and 2 blocks. Mike Bibby had 16 points to lead the Kings, Brad Miller had 15 points, 12 rebounds and 5 assists as Francisco Garcia and Kevin Martin added 11 points apiece.

Minnesota 117 Phoenix 107

Minnesota has now won two games straight for the first time this season with their 117-107 victory over the Phoenix Suns last night. The young TWolves have earned impressive wins in their last two games, starting with the Warriors and now the Suns. Al Jefferson was fantastic in the contest, scoring a career-high 39 points to go along with 15 rebounds as the Wolves led 65-50 at the half and held on for the victory after the Suns cut their lead to 10 with four minutes remaining in the game. Minnesota would ensure they did not get any closer as they went on to collect their win. The Suns were out-rebounded 48-36 as the TWolves grabbed 22 offensive boards as compared to only 3 for Phoenix. Marko Jaric had 15 points, 8 rebounds and 10 assists while Ryan Gomes added 14 points and 9 rebounds and Sebastian Telfair scored 13 points and dished 8 assists. Amare Stoudemire had 33 points to lead the Suns while Steve Nash had 21 points and 16 assists and Raja Bell added 18 in the loss.

Denver 107 Atlanta 100

Even without Carmelo Anthony, the Nuggets were not in the mood to drop another game. The supporting cast stepped up in their star’s absence and the Nuggets were able to ride an 11-point first quarter lead through to the final buzzer. After taking that lead in the first quarter, the Nuggets would extend it to as many as 17 in the first half and the Hawks were stuck playing catch up the rest of the way. They would keep on pushing and with just over five minutes remaining in the game they went on a 10-4 run to cut the Denver lead to only four points, but Anthony Carter and Linas Kleiza were solid each hitting layups to finish the game out with the Nuggets on top. Allen Iverson had 29 points and 6 assists in the victory, Kleiza added 23 points, Kenyon Martin had 20 points and 10 rebounds and Marcus Camby had yet another 20+ rebounding game, finishing with 13 points and 21 boards to go along with 4 blocked shots. Carter had 9 assists for Denver. Josh Smith notched his first career triple-double in the loss, finishing was a huge line of 22 points, 12 rebounds, 10 assists, 3 steals and 5 blocks as Marvin Williams scored 20 points, Al Horford had 14 points and 11 rebounds and Joe Johnson added 14 points.

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  • neaorin

    I picked up Jose with the last pick in my fantasy league draft, at #156 overall. Of course, I promptly dropped him two days later for Ronnie Brewer. D’OH!

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    I’m voting for Chris Kaman for the AllStar game. Chris Kaman…1 time allstar. It has such a beautiful ring to it.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    THANK YOU, KIRK.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy hursty

    T-MAC!

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Oh yeah: Big Z was incredible, David West should absolutely be an All-Star, and Holly, you got the ATL/Denver score reversed.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy hursty

    sorry, i had some word press thing come up saying my user name was incorrect. he was awesome though.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy hursty

    i just figured i would start up the page again to see if it would make it work, so i didnt write anything intelligent.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy hursty

    if west isnt an allstar then there is a problem, i feel its unlikely that NO will get such a good record without major injuries like this year, hes really stepped up, also hes class of 03, talk about deep.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Hursty, you’ve no need to explain your comments to us. Just wait another 6 hours and this entire comments section will be filled with random one word posts.

  • Krayzie Bone

    Second try. Big Al, player of the day. Will Amare step up his man on man D this season?

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Russ, you’ve got to be appreciating the board count for Noah last night. He’s doing Big Ben’s job for him.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    I’d also like to state that Josh Smith is made for the All star game. Not only because he is having a monsterous year statistically but because his all around game is just so entertaining.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    If Noah can consistently give that kind of effort, I hope they buy Big Ben out. I’d prefer they trade him for some sort of help or expiring deals (Kwame and Halfpipe?), but just get him out of there.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy hursty

    ok keith. smith is good, so iggy pop, but langs hawks are doing good this year (or at least better)

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy hursty

    also, sam mitchell had really good quotes (intelligent) after the game.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    You’d rather have Kwame than Ben? Hmm… a younger player who can’t catch and looks consistently confused on the basketball court or a former defensive colossus who just can’t be bothered. Both are equally frustrating. It’s a lose-lose scenario.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy hursty

    is it just me or does it look like Kwame is a cross between a giant lizard and an overgrown child on his id photo on nba.com, the light makes his face all scally.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    The difference being that Kwame’s contract is up this summer, and they can just let him wander off into the sunset.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Completely agree with that Hursty. He looks like a dinosaur. A diplodocus. His hands are about as dexterous as well.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy hursty

    cool. volocer raptor (the things that kill small dinos in jurassic park) can catch things though (eggs) and hold them

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy hursty

    when people read this theyll be like ‘wtf, theyre already talkin bout kwame, dinosaurs and bens big @ss contract.’ and its only 20 comments long. i wonder what else is in store…

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Sausage (for Keith, of course)

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy hursty

    oh btw holly, the memphis, orlando score doesnt work out.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy hursty

    wtf is this? the dday the post up didnt get to 100 in 3 hours?!

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy hursty

    even if its only an hour and a half gone.

  • http://www.screwston.com Tarzan Cooper

    SLAM, IF LINAS KLEIZA ON JOSH SMITH ISNT SLAMADAMONTH, I SWEAR I WILL GO TO NY TO PERSONALLY SLAP THE EVER-LIVING $HIT OUT OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU!!!! “but there were no good pics” you might say….yea, that was such a great picture of keith fu(king closs.

  • http://www.screwston.com Tarzan Cooper

    and hi holly

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    I heard a rumour Keith Closs quit basketball and took up modelling.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    If there is a shot of Kleiza on Smith, it’s not online yet. Can you draw. Tarzan?

  • Krayzie Bone

    Velociraptors are actually half the size of the one’s portrayed in that movie. They also have narrower skulls and more wirey bodies. Deinonychus is the model that they used for the movie (though they are genetically similar, like dogs and wolves). Anyway, its already agreed that the most raptor-like player is bosh: He plays for the right team, he’s lanky, and his face looks angled and ferocious. Kwame has the hands of a T-rex (though Yao and K. Willis have the arm length).

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson
  • jazzy cabbages

    whoo! bagneeani finally woke up.

  • http://slamonline.com Sam Rubenstein

    The Minnesota win gives them almost as many as Seattle and Miami. The race for the #1 pick is on.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson
  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Kwame has the hands of a mackerel.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Apparently, Mike Dunleavy Sr is worried that the Clippers may turn into the Knicks. I think he can relax. The Clippers are simply missing two key players and playing badly. The Knicks however, are a bunch of sideshow freaks and s*x pests.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Russ’ talent is wasted on this site. He should go work on SI.

  • http://myspace.com/mrdyalekt d.Y.

    SI? The bikini magazine? … do you think good centers circle PHX games like Eastern teams circle Heat games, and go to sleep dreaming of a 50-25 game?

  • http://mynameinorange.blogspot.com Hisham

    I live!

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Good to see you still around Hisham. Morning everyone.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Hello, all. Holly, wherever you are, I want to discuss your boy with you. Yes, that boy, the one that through his performance in the 2nd half of the game last night continues to show why I can’t put my arms aound his talent because he is still an as*hole in wannabe Hurraches.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Some big games last night. Lakers fell apart like the Roots. Sorry Holly. Big Al taking it to Amare! 39 and 15! Maybe McHale isn’t so dumb? Well, maybe not. Captain Kirk 38?! Didn’t see that coming. Calderon and the Raps taking down the mighty C’s. Sam is going to get a headache trying to pick a Player of the Day from this group.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Oh, and Manu was off the charts in that same half of basketball.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    And good god, I just saw that Josh Smith line! Maybe Lang was on to something about Smith being the all time shot block leader.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I’ve got a headache today for some reason.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    TAD, for future reference, the G.O.D is always capitalized per the wisdom of the holy Stephon Marbury.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Russ, you’ve been up for three hours or are you just starting your day over?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Been up for almost three hours.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    What’s the Cavs’ record in games LeBron has played this season?

  • http://slamonline.com The Cool

    Damn! I cant believe the Lakers played like a charity case in the second half. They were really puttin a can of whoop on SA but in the end they were just all out of sync. I HATE SA WITH A PASSION BUT SOMETHING ABOUT GINOBLI JUST MAKES ME WANT TO BREAK HIS FREAKIN LEG OFF! That guy boils my blood and he can’t play. play wit it.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    DP is aggressive.
    And Jones, is there a payoff that to that query or is it a legit question with merit?

  • http://slamonline.com The Cool

    eboy, manu sucks. I didnt know he had the ole rasheed patch goin on too though. plus ain’t nothing wrong with fake hurraches because i got a pair off ebay and they fill great.besides the fact that they wore out in a week but the morale of the story is: manu sucks balls and kobe just had a bad second half. manu needs to play football so I can knock his a#s out. play wit it.

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  • riggs

    the ball kept clanging out for boston, it was a horrible game (otherwise they would won by 20+ points)

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    114-112 was a horrible game? Your standards are high, my man.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Legit question, honest. Obviously, I’m hinting at how good they seem to have been this year — better than I ever predicted in my season preview — and particularly how good he’s been. I know the East sucks and the C’s and Pistons are deservedly getting all the attention, but I’m saying…

  • TheMC5

    The Cool= lamest poster ever. Whoever came up with “play wit it” has done a great injustice to the world.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And I actually don’t know the record, which is why I ask.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Well, Manu may be annoying and is hated by tons of people outside of the SA fanbase, but dude does not suck. Similar to Kobe, both are extremely talented, Kobe of course has the incredible edge in athleticism, but Manu’s heart and grit is pretty strong for a “non-American” player. Kobe is invaluable, unless of course he plays the game like he did last night in the second half. Manu is the ultimate sixth man, regardless of who’s name you put up against him in the game currently. Dude is an intangible that is hard to match.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    What site would give us that info Ryan? I’m on basketball-reference and cannot find it.

  • Dan

    That Raps-Celts game was awesome! I can honestly say that I was highly impressed.

  • TheMC5

    Going purely from memory, I believe Lebron missed 6 games with the finger injury, and the Cavs lost them all. If this is correct, that puts Cleveland at 23-12 with James playing. But I could be way off.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Co sign Eboy. I cannot stand Manu myself, but my man can ball. Make no mistake.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Ryan, the problem I guess is will the Cavs be able to walk through the East like they did last year. Yeah, they, well Lebron, earned the Pistons series, but the other two matchups were so favorable to them.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Amare Stoudemire is one of the worst defenders in the lig. That really was one of the worst 33 point games Ive ever seen. Lost in the ridiculousness of Big Al’s stat line is the fact that Ryan Gomes is a muthaf*ckin beast. He completely outplayed Marion. And Ill say it again, the Suns arent as god as everyone thinks they are. Oh, and Steve Nash drinks Miller Lite outta the can after games. It was -23 out last night and I almost got Al to give me a ride home. Theres your game notes.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    The Cavs were 1-5 without LeBron in the lineup. So they are 22-13 with him playing.

  • TheMC5

    Myles Brown: To be fair, Marion did have foul trouble in the first half. But he still sucked balls in the 2nd half, I’ll give you that.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Myles game notes are awesome. I wish he would have had the ride with Al. That would have been awesome.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Um, Manu is pretty ridiculously athletic himself, even if it’s not in the “jump over the Snake River Canyon” way. I just can’t respect a goddamn flopper.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Looking at my notes, Marion had 2 points and 2 boards through 23 minutes of play in the third quarter. Foul trouble or not, thats just disgusting.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    -23? You mean Kobe?

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Nice to see Nellie has rubbed off on Nash.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dontdiecindy Bryan

    I hate floppers.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    [Eddie Murphy]“Haha very funny muthaf*cka!”

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Than you must hate Ben Gordon, Ben Wallace and Andres Nocioni. Well….I do know your answer about Big Ben.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Glad I’m not in Minny.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Shia, pretty early for you, no?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I didnt see the game so I cant speak on it, but I did see that KB had 9 turnovers and the Lakeshow had 22. The Spurs only had 7. Thats probably why “we” lost.

  • Jared

    Manu’s the truth, can’t even hate on him. And big night for AJ, i just read the feature yesterday in the AI/Melo issue and was thinking to myself I haven’t heard from him in a while, weird.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Shia hates Vlade.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I’m stupid. Forgot the nba.com game-by-game logs on each player page shows the result of each game they’ve played in. Cavs are 23-13 with LeBron, meaning (obviously) they’re 0-5 without. So… never mind. He’s better than ever, and they have won 9 of 10, but overall… yeah. They’re still not good enough to matter in June.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Myles Brown is my new favourite person on SLAMonline.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And Myles, how did Shawn Marion play 23 minutes in the third quarter last night? I really haven’t paid enough attention to the League this year…

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    eboy: If you read this site at all, you know my answer about BG, too. And while I love Chapu’s intensity and physicality, I do wish he’d stop falling down.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I love when people spell favorite with a u, whether theyre talking about me or not. And someone actually pulled me to the side to tell me that Langs selection of Rashad McCants for his B List All Stars was a smack in the face to Ryan Gomes. I had to agree.

  • TheMC5

    It’s too bad Vlade never got to play with Jorge Garbajosa. That would have been the most disheveled looking team ever. I can just see both of them waking up from a night of had drinking, rolling down the Y in sweatpants to play pick up with the young’ins.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Jones, should I consider that your critique?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Shawn Marion is very happy that Shawn Marion is being discussed so much this morning. Although Shawn Marion isn’t very happy about the things that are being said about Shawn Marion, because Shawn Marion feels that certain people are disrespecting Shawn Marion, so Shawn Marion is refusing to leave Shawn Marion’s house until someone apologizes to Shawn Marion for saying those mean things about Shawn Marion.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Favourite IS spelled with a ‘u’. Myles is now my least favourite person on SLAMonline. It’s a fickle world.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Hornets have the best record in the West. Didn’t see that coming. Byron Scott coaching the All Star team?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    We revolted against you people for a reason.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dontdiecindy Bryan

    Pretty early.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    What countries is favorite spelled with a ‘u’?

  • TheMC5

    “This is Ricky Henderson. Please leave a message”. “Hey Ricky, it’s me, you. Pick up the phone, Ricky. I know your there Ricky.”

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Shawn Marion might have eaten too many chicken fingers before the game. Nice guy, but disappears waaay too easily. Comparing their salaries and what they have to offer, Id seriously rather have Gomes.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    If I could actually hear Keith say that with a British accent, Id like him more.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Myles, Minny is officially messing up their chances for the #1 pick. It’s a 3 horse race now. I know Eboy is happy to hear that.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    “You people” is so anti establishment. And yes Russ, I know you don’t worship willingly at Ben Gordon’s altar, but I never really heard you break down his fall down by feather touch, similar to D-Wade’s current status as most hated free throw receiver.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    The team with the worst record never gets the first pick anyway. Not to mention the Timberwolves are going to get Randy Foye back eventually, and he’ll have to make them at least a little better. Right?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    That does scare me, cause it seems as though all three teams would want Derrick Rose. As nice as everyone says Beasley is, if he cant play the three, I dont want him. The last thing this team needs is another reason to play Al Jefferson out of position.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    TAD, I have confidence in my boys. They’ll get it.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    The Bulls will probably wind up with the No. 1 pick and use it on another athletic power forward who can’t shoot.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Tadone…we spell it with a ‘U’ over in England. We also spell it ‘Centre’ and ‘Barsketball’.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I love Foye. And if this team had him and Ratliff in the lineup, theyd be exponentially better. But Foye isnt a point guard, not a pure one at least, and thats what this team needs. Bassy has been a pleasant surprise, but hes still a quality backup at best.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Sorry Myles.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Karma is on Minnesota’s side.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Has Theo Ratliff played at all this season? I keep forgetting he exists. And to think, he was voted a starter on the 2001 All-Star team. WYOMING REPRESENT.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I hear if the Wolves get the No. 1, McHale has promised to send it to the Celtics for Brian Scalabrine and a conditional 2084 second rounder.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Bulls*it.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    “Instant Karma’s gonna get you”

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Ratliff played early this season and then strangely left the court showing no signs of pain. They called it a back injury and he hasnt been seen since like week 3. I dont get it, but I guess I havent asked him about it either. And yeah, Id rather leta blindfolded fish make our draft pick than McHale again.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    “Blindfolded fish”, nice.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Just something to hold you over, Myles. Been busy. Honest.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    So no one wants OJ “I swear Melo’s my friend and the tickets were a gift” Mayo?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I understand. Just giving you sh*t. And stop with the Bron slurping. Im going on the record right now, I dont care if he averages a million across the board, if that kid wins MVP while his team hovers around .500 in the EASTERN CONFERENCE, Im gonna go absolutely apesh*t. Seriously. My blog post on it will be from a clocktower with a f*ckin Mossberg.

  • Jared

    gangsta

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Nice Myles. The Lakers should lose more often to get you on here earlier posting.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Myles is now back as my favourite SLAMonline person. I completely agree, no-one that ‘leads’ a team to .500 can be deemed an MVP. Unless, it’s Marbury… and the team is the Knicks.

  • namik

    White hot Kobe did screw us over but it was only the first 5 minutes of the the third. Unfortunately he is such a pivotal part of the offense that he can completely throw off the team. But atleast we saw that the team could play with the Spurs if good Kobe comes to play. And saying the Spurs played bad in the first half is no excuse because the Lakers D was amazing. I seriously didnt expect this when Bynum went down. Now if we could just figure out what Kobe was thinking….

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Im glad Im not alone. Perhaps we can form a militia.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    That’s all I want to know, namik, what was he thinking about? Ridiculous.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And Im just so chatty this morning cause Ive been sick as a dog and really dont have the energy for anything else.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Myles, does Lebron get any consideration at all, top 5 maybe?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Hed be in my Fave Five. But no higher.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    MVP so far: 1)KG 2)KB 3)Paul 4)Bron 5)Roy

  • Jared

    Myles does it matter that the team around him isn’t capable of winning a game without him? And he’ll probably get that crappy team to at least the second round of the playoffs? Granted what’s it all worth if you’re not a contender, but he does so much for that team.

  • Jared

    Timmy and Nash will still get massive amounts of votes

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    MVP so far is KG. MIP so far is Bynum. Obvious but true.

  • namik

    LeBron is a great player, I’m just tired of having him shoved down my throat. And I’m pretty sure he’ll win MVP before Kobe which makes no sense. BTW is it an MBA or a MBA??? It should be ‘a’ but everyone says ‘an’?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    The playoffs don’t matter one iota when it comes to MVP considerations–except for whether you make it there or not. That said, I go KG, CP3, Roy, Bron, KB24.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    TAD, switch Roy and Bron and I could ride with that. And Jared, I said the same things about Kobe who went bananas in a stronger conference for two years in a row. If he cant win, which I had to get over, then neither can Bron.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Thats cold Russ.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    The Cavs are five games over .500 right now. They’re 10 games over .500 when he plays, and 5 games under when he doesn’t. He’s on pace to put up the best individual line in 20 years. If the Cavs manage to win, say, 48 games, and he ends up around 29, 8 and 8, what’s not MVP caliber about that?

  • Kadavour

    If Kobe looks at the tale of two halves that was last night’s game, and gets anything from it, the Lakers will be unstoppable. When he perfects that balance of pass vs shoot and achieves that quaterback like control on the court he is by far the most feared rival on the hardwood. When he wastes possessions trying to find his jumper and disrupting the rhythm all in one stride, he makes the game a lot harder than it needs to be. I think last night’s loss was a blessing in disguise. The contrasting halves are undeniable.

  • Kadavour

    If Kobe looks at the tale of two halves that was last night’s game, and gets anything from it, the Lakers will be unstoppable. When he perfects that balance of pass vs shoot and achieves that quaterback like control on the court he is by far the most feared rival on the hardwood. When he wastes possessions trying to find his jumper and disrupting the rhythm all in one stride, he makes the game a lot harder than it needs to be. I think last night’s loss was a blessing in disguise. The contrasting halves are undeniable.

  • Jared

    Kob also did it when Steve Nash was going bananas…I don’t know that KG will get votes considering his squad…CP could be your favorite, if only he was white.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    What does 48 wins in the East equate to out West? 40? Less?

  • namik

    KG is MVP??? Whats harder, taking an amazing team to a great record in a weak conference or a young and inexperienced team to a great record in a strong conference. Also I rarely see KG stepping up when it counts which annoys me no end. He should have been abusing Chris Bosh down low last night but he was content to let Eddie House(!!!) take a contested 3. Cmon KG!

  • Jared

    And its lame that i dropped bananas after you did…if i could i would change it to berzerk

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    They’re definite MVP numbers but when you’re up against two of the most improved teams in the league in NO and Portland (Paul and Roy respectively) and you’re up against a KG led Celtics team, he’s going to find it hard. It’s a great indication of just how many great superstars are in the league.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    48 wins might not get you to the playoffs in the West.

  • Jared

    That Eddie House 3 was probably drawn up by Eddie’s biggest fan, Eddie House. KG’s for real. He’s just too selfless.

  • Jared

    And anyone got lil dun for MIP? Bynum will miss two months…it takes away some.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    That said, LeBron can’t help what conference his team plays in.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    All I know is that they’d win 28 without him, and that seems to be part of the MVP criteria. Everybody’s got their own, but the “valuable” part seems indisputable here, no? So, to review: Remarkable individual stats, and a team that goes from decent to horrendous if he’s not in the lineup… sounds like a very, very Valuable Player to me.

  • namik

    LeBron is leading a mediocre team to a mediocre record in a mediocre conference. Kobe dropped record numbers 2 years ago and lead the team to 44 wins in the West. No MVP. You’re telling me 4 wins would have made the difference???

  • Kadavour

    If LeBron gets MVP with under 50 wins then Kobe should have had at least 2 of them bad boys by now. Let’s not mention the horrid Eastern Conference he plays in. Garnett has effin Pierce and Allen (and i’m not talkin about Tony) on his squad, that’s a HELL of a supporting cast. 1) Kobe 2) CP3 3) Garnett 4) Roy 5) Nash

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And Jordan should have 8 MVPs. He doesn’t. What does all this have to do with the 2007-08 season?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    All I know is that when one player is traded for eight and he’s the centerpiece of a team that now has the ligs best record whereas his former currently owns the ligs worst, then said player must be pretty f*ckin valuable. That said, the C’s still havent beaten anyone that matters to me.

  • Jared

    haha myles…i’m with Russ and Ryan, Bron deserves it this year.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And Jones, there has to be a relection of the underlying criteria in the voting from year to year, no? Whats so different about the seasons Bron and Kobe had? How can you justify one and not the other? Especially when theyve run concurrently?

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I don’t care what KG has with him. There is no other PF (save Timmy) that you could put in the C’s starting lineup and have the same results the Celtics have had to start this season.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Um, except I’m with Myles on the KG train.

  • Kadavour

    Myles: So boasting a future Hall of Famer plus a perennial All-Star in your starting 5 doesn’t help?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Well, I guess I’m holding “tendency to be a team cancer” against one of these players. But that’s just me.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And now let it begin…

  • namik

    All it has to do with this season is that there are standards set for what a MVP should do and achieve, and no matter how well LeBron plays individually, unless his team is one of the best teams in the L, then he shouldnt win MVP. And Myles, his former team might have had one of the worst records in the L with him as they did for the past 3 seasons. And why isn’t Paul Pierce a top5 MVP candidate. He is the one who usually picks them up when they’re down. How about Ray Allen who hits the game winnning shots? KG is valuable but the clear MVP??? please…

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    How many teams in the West all have the best record in the conference? In this post alone I’ve heard New Orleans, the Lakers, the Suns. What is the truth, people?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    ?olleh

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I finally did see No Country for Old Men Last Night. Guess I woke up with a thirst for bloodshed. *turns valve on CO2 canister and waits*

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    LA all day eboy. But ill let holly explain that to you.

  • namik

    how about holding “tendency to choke away games and shoot Shaq-like ft%” against another?

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Ryan is an interesting study in being a pri*k with a point. And it’s actually valid today.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    The Celtics are a defensively oriented team. KG is the centerpiece. Pierce and Ray will tell you that themselves.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    KG changed the aura of the entire Celtics franchise all by himself. Whether they actually win a championship or not, he has that entire locker room believing that they can. You think his intensity and confidence hasn’t trickled down to guys like Perkins and Rondo? Like one of his predecessors once did in real life, KG walked into the MVP chase locker room at the start of the season, looked around, and said “OK, which one of you motherf*ckers is finishing second?” It ain’t even a race.

  • Jared

    Russ I agreed with the Bron cant help with conference he plays with, at the end of the year though you gotta look at his numbers vs the west and compare them to his numbers vs the east, consistencys a b!tch.

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    KG = Bill Russell 1.0

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Jones, did you like the ending? I saw it again the other night and it didnt bother me as much the second time around…

  • namik

    No country was extremely dissapointing. What the hell was the point of the whole movie? Redemption? No redemption? Atleast it was better than Juno. That movie sucked like few others. I wanted to slap the f*ck out of the main character for her insufferable smugness.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    speaking of overrated piece’s of theater. Is Micheal Clayton any good? It is comming back to theaters so should i go see it?

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    MVP trophy don’t count for sh*t since Dirk ruined it last year. Nice one Dirk.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I have to see that No Country for Old Men since ya’ll keep mentioning it.

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    Juno? Namik i belive you are looking for the Abercrombie message boards or 17 Magizine Chat Room, not here.

  • Jared

    Juno wasn’t bad, it wasn’t supposed to be superbad part 2 which i think is the reason lots of people think it sucks, it was different, but it was witty.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    People still go to movies?

  • Jared

    wow BET, did u see it?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Ill say it again. Juno was the shizz. Honest to blog.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Shaq’s a 73 percent career free throw shooter?
    Also — and thanks for giving me an excuse to look up some stats, namik — there’s this from 82games.com:
    “LeBron James is #2 (in the League) in points per game for the 3rd and 4th quarters, and does so with a nifty field goal percentage — 8% better than Kobe in the fourth.”
    Is this what the kids mean when they say “choke away games?” Like, irony?

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Not me Russ. I’m the bootleg king.

  • namik

    Russ we’ll talk when Tim Duncan uses his aura as toilet paper after dropping a deuce on his head. KG is like Steve Nash except he was lucky to land up in the East. And he is still too passive at end of games situation for me to consider him a clear cut MVPs.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    it seems like something you take a girl to, but end up secretly learning something instead. I wont be seeing it until it gets to the Red Box machine ($1 DVD rentals mother f*ckers!)

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Movies are a good release when you cheer for horrible NBA teams.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I bet B Diddy is #1 in 4th quarter points, right Ryan?

  • Jared

    haha myles…it was good, i gotta see it again to comprehend whether it was really good or just good, but i don’t know if i could sit through it again. I didn’t really enjoy it but I thought it was good if that makes sense.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I didn’t mind the ending, Myles. That might have been partially because I knew coming in it wasn’t going to be tied off with a bow, and as someone who didn’t mind the Sopranos ending, I’m ok with ambiguity. Also, I just finished reading The Road, so I’m used to Cormac McCarthy stories with open endings lately.

  • Jared

    BET that was a pretty on point assumption actually.

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    eboy how about them New York Knicks…

  • namik

    Ryan would you like to go over his Finals performance again? Because unless I’m hugely mistaken his team won around 50 games with him putting up record numbers. Then when it counted, he didnt really come up with much except one game which I’m sure you will bring up. And like Dirk last year, this should count against him this year.

  • Jared

    and amen eboy

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I believe that’d be Mr. Bryant, TAD.

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    $10 says no Sopranos Movie, or return

  • Jared

    I just hope the sopranos movie isnt like the other hbo show movies, where it’s kinda like an overview of the show a la Borat and Tenacious D

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I think that the message was supposed to be that sometimes bad guys have all the luck. Maybe thats why they incorporated the whole coin flip thing and Moss’ wife gave that speech before Anton, um, left.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Namik is funny for ever comparing Lebron and Dirk.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    namik: If you’re holding against LeBron that his team didn’t win the NBA CHAMPIONSHIP with that team last year, I don’t even knoww hat to say.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    BET, the Knicks are at least good for entertainment, like a snuff film….if you’re into that stuff. The Heat are more like Juno…..potential to be great…..turns out to be sh*t. The Suns are like Cloverfield…..looks really cool….not much more to talk about.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Well, again namik, we’re talking about THIS season. Yes, he was not very good in last season’s Finals, but the fact that he got that team there — arguably the worst supporting cast in Finals history — counts more to me than how he played against one of the most cohesive defensive teams in recent memory, a Spurs team that knew it had to do nothing other than triple-team LeBron to dominate that series, which they did. But again, we’re talking about THIS season. And this season, he’s been remarkable.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Apparently LeBron needs to win an NBA championship every year or else he sucks.

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    Borat was a wonderful spectackle of theater. Wash your mouth out with soap right now jared

  • namik

    Lakers record-27-13
    Cleveland-23-18

    yeah old man, the cancer sure is messing up his team. Numbers….

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I just know that between Randy Moss, KG, the Coen bros and Diablo Cody, this was the year of the Minnesotan. Im almost expecting another Prince resurgence.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    LEBRON SUCKS, WHAT HAS HE EVER WON, LOL.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Namik needs reading lessons as it was already stataed that the 5 losses for the Cavs came when Bron was out of the team.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I think the message, like it appears to be in most of McCarthy’s work, is that life is a nasty, random b*tch. Also, amazing acting by all three leads. Tommy Lee Jones was ridiculous.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dontdiecindy Bryan

    What did I miss?

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    Heat have no potential to win more than 25 games unless D-Wade turns into Jordan and Shaq becomes Orlando Woodridge.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And were never talking about one season when we talk about an MVP anyway. Theres always mention of a players-and their respective teams- progression. Or regression. This sh*t does not operate in a vacuum and everyone knows it.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    namik, you’ve already played yourself pretty efficiently here, as others have increasingly pointed out. But I’ll go ahead and pile on: If you’re basing your entire “argument” on team record, you’re essentially saying that the Cavs and Lakers have equivalent supporting casts (pre current Laker injury rash, obviously.) Do you really believe that? I mean, are you sure?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    One of the guys from City Pages recommended a McCarthy book to me last night. Might have to get around to that.

  • namik

    Damn my comments arent showing up..

  • Kadavour

    LeBron has been playing unbelievable ball this season, but one constant criterion for MVP has been 50+ wins. LBJ may have to step it up to another level of unbelievability (patent pending) to break that convention

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    It’s probably for the best.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    I didn’t really realise that ‘Bron haters existed until I read the wisdom of Namik.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I’ve only actually read The Road, and I was almost in tears a few pages from the end. Wait until you’ve got a kid to read it, you’ll see.

  • Captain America

    Holly, thanks for this. However, despite Jose’s great performance, can we show at least equal love for Al Jefferson and his monster night against the Suns? Big Al had three sometimes four Suns riding on his back as he earned 39 points and 15 boards.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    End the argument with intellignece from me, as usual. Put Kobe on the current Cavs squad. Put Lebron on the current Lakers squad, with all injured players in play for both teams. Do any of you geniuses think Kobe is going to do more with that mismash of bullsh*t in Cleveland that Lebron hasn’t? Lebron on this current Lakers squad would put them as the favorites with the Spurs in the West. You know why? Becasue he would play the team ball game that Kobe hints at every game. Pretty simple, but of course you guys make everything out to be difficult.

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    Bron haters are NBA Haters

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    ….

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    dammit eboy, if we start agreeing like this, people will talk.

  • namik

    Will Dirk ever win MVP without voters not thinking about last year? Kobe without colorado?? no.

  • Jared

    Borat movie sucked balls dude. It was like a paid 10 dollars to see everything I’ve seen before, and way less funny the 2nd time around.

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    Kobe on current Cavs squad = Space for Donyell Marshall to warm up and become good agian and Larry Hughes to become 6th Man of the year. Lebron on Lakers = 1 too many SF’s and no good Shooting Guard.

  • Jared

    Rudy without 9/11? what?

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Bynum would be averaging 20 and 10 already if Bron was in La La Land.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And Captain, what I was thinking all last night as I even watched the Wolves second team destroy Phonix in the paint is “How the hell are they gonna handle Tim Duncan?”. And “I cant wait for Randy to get back…”

  • namik

    Finally and the Lakers are better this year but for the past two seasons they were certianly better than they are this year? And its amazing that Big Z can make a layup without LeBron getting credit but the Laker franchise does a turnaround without Kobe getting props. That is my point…see??

  • Captain America

    LeBron should get the MVP. Besides, he started shaving when he was 10.

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    Borat did not suck ‘balls’ if you havent see the show for lack of HBO support. But some parts of it i could have done without.

  • Kadavour

    The Player swap is always a nifty argument. Steve Nash would be running for a 4th straight award if it was the preeminent consideration for MVP.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    “Finally and the Lakers are better this year but for the past two seasons they were certianly better than they are this year? And its amazing that Big Z can make a layup without LeBron getting credit but the Laker franchise does a turnaround without Kobe getting props. That is my point…see??”
    Not really, no.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Namik lebron sets Z up for a layup and gets quadruble teamed so nobody is on him. The Lakers have something called Andrew Bynum and another something called Lamar Odom.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And Jones then that means youre both idiots. If, this, if that. Talk about what actually is. Save two or three bad games Kobe has done a f*ckin masterful job of balancing his talents with his budding teammates. Im just asking for a modicum of perspective on Bron, and you guys just live to demonize Kobe.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Who played less defense, Stoudemire or Jefferson? Do you think they came to an agreement before the game?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And picking on the weakest arguments dont make yours any stronger.

  • Jared

    Z was an all-star before LeBron…and I feel you BET…i’d been an avid watcher of the show for a while.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Kobe is Micheal Jordan’s Confused twin who is younger and hates real estate. Lebron is Lebron

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Your point about a “turnaround” is funny, though. KB was there before the turnaround; how does he then get credit for it? And if he does, doesn’t he then catch the blame for the pre-turnaround struggles? Shouldn’t credit for the turnaround go to new players and/or existed ones who clearly improved? Does KB qualify in either category? I’m so confused…

  • namik

    Ryan how many people expected the Lakers to be one of the best teams in the L? And the Cavs were still coming off a Finals performance. Which team is better regardless of wins? I’d pick the Lakers. And I’d say Kobe plays a pretty significant part in that. Lets not act like the Lakers are the Spurs who were expected to be good.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dontdiecindy Bryan

    I get the feeling this guy doesn’t believe what he’s saying, he’s just trying to stir sh*t up.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Stoudemire BY FAR. I even asked Jefferson after the game if he was surprised that Amare kept letting him spin baseline, which he mustve done at least a dozen times. His answer in a nutshell…”Yeah”

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Ryan, not that it takes me much to jump on 24, but seriously? Bron would make the current Lakers squad deadly, way more deadly than Mr. Three Head Fakes No Bite On The Fake Fire A Brick Anyways. Kobe’s tlaent and the system make him that much more efficient. Playing for the Grimace with that group of miscreants would be similar to D-Wade and the current Heat group.

  • namik

    Yeah he got all the blame in case you werent looking…

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    namik = Charlie Rosen

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    If Lamar Odom ever played up to his potential, the Lakers probably would be favorites in the West. But he hasn’t done that since he was at Rhode Island.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Oh, I see — defying public expectation is the measuring stick. My bad.

  • http://www.myspace.com/dontdiecindy Bryan

    Kobe would fit in anywhere dude.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Be careful what you’re saying there Eboy. You’re allowing the KB24 hatred to seep out…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And Myles, shut up with your attempts at reason. This is too much fun for you to dampen it.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Also, I’d be pretty psyched to see LeBron play with someone like Ronny Turiaf. The Cavs don’t seem to have that kind of crazy, floor-burning energy guy.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    My bad.

  • namik

    Yes Ryan that would seem to be the case if Brandon Roy gets a head on Kobe wouldnt it?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Varejo?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I still think it’s all a moot point because the trophy is already at KG’s house.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    Kobe haters are just mad the lakers have no chance at a 4peat a 5peat or a 3peat agian. I still think 2 titles in a row could happen if they got one more semi star player

  • Jared

    wait for it…

  • Jared

    wait for it…

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Varejao is an energy guy, but not like Turiaf.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    And yes, Myles, while idiotic tendencies seem to run through my body, I’m also more of a basketball enthusist from a players point of view than just an observers (not saying you are, just saying). If I wanted a teamate to play with that would give me the best chance of winning in today’s game, from his skills, competitiveness and capacity to be even more deadly because of his creativity to make his teammates that more efficient, I’m riding with Lebron all day. And that’s not a hateful comment towards, 24, just realism from a players poitn of view (not that I’m playing with those guys, you get the idea).

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I was gonna say that, Myles. I think Russ just like’s Ronny’s accent better. Racist.
    namik, I don’t even know what you’re talking about anymore, but if you’re claiming that Brandon Roy is a more deserving MVP candidate than KB, I TOTALLY agree. See, we CAN be friends!

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Holly owns slamonline.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    A lakers celtics finals would be intresting, but KG would need to buy a new broom.

  • namik

    Yes Kobe discussions usually are. Ryan has Kobe ever been tops in your MVP list in the past 2 seasons?

  • Jared

    damn double-click and being slow…Russ was that sarcasm?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Word on that Russ. The only person who could dethrone Da Kid at this point is Tom Brady.

  • namik

    Ryan I’m on the same boat. I kinda lost you on the expectations comment….

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I mean, top 20, sure.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    nope Myles, nobody can Dethrone lebron, because China doesnt like NFL games, they like the NBA and as long as the world loves Lebron and America loves Tom, the way it is is the way it will be.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    I seem to be typing so quickly, that typos are flying everywhere. It’s this new tsunami-like post count that The Post Up brings.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Was what sarcasm? Turiaf over Varejao? No. I just don’t like Varejao very much.

  • Jared

    What if the Hornets finish the season with the best record in the L and Chris Paul keeps playing the way he’s been, which there’s no reason to believe he wouldn’t…he doesn’t challenge KG and bron bron?

  • namik

    wow this was sooo pointless…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Again, Russ = racist. He doesn’t even like Brazilian women.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    I can’t believe how much you all hate Kobe ,just for the sake of hating Kobe.

  • Tom

    I think the raps played their best offensive game EVER, how else do you get outscored by 30 in points in the paint and give up another 30pts in TO’s and still win, i think they may 15/20 3′s or something crazy like that too…..looks like no ones intimidated by Boston anymore.

  • Jared

    Na, just the whole lebron not having an energy guy, hate him or love him that’s still his main function. Ronnies better and way more aggressive, plus he isn’t a flopper, and has maddd heart!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    namik throw the towel in and go home

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Gread point, Jared, but CP’s not tall enough to qualify for this conversation. Do a slamonline.com site search for “reactionary and premature MVP conversations.” It’s in the fine print somewhere.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    seems like a 500 + comment day

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Bryan, sometimes I feel like thats one of the only reasons I LIKE him…

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    That’s not the attitude we need here, BET.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Shia, don’t hate his game, it’s his arrogance and the fact that he still can’t take a back seat even when his squad is playing great that causes my disgust in him. That’s what high expectations do for you, though.

  • namik

    BET I wouldnt be a Lakers fan if I did.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Rony could be on my team any day, even if all he did was dance on the bench.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Just a quick thought…Jose Calderon will win MIP due to Bynum being out.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i am just not a happy person. maybe i should go back under my bridge and curl up and cry for a little while…..

  • Jared

    True Ryan, but does that mean being white or named Allen Iverson, eliminates the height deficiency? I just feel like voters are gonna think less of Garnett because of his supporting cast, even though he is without a doubt the motivation and catalyst for that team. They’re still a low seed at best with just ray ray and p-dub.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Shia, how do you feel about this whole Heath Ledger thing? I mean, you guys must’ve shared some drinks and groupies at some point, right?

  • Jared

    what about lil dun for MIP? Stop sleeping people!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    WRONG, MIP goes to John Salmons for being a gunner

  • namik

    Bynum can pass up the MIP. Apparently he was the sole reason for the Lakers turnaround so he’ll get MVP. Look we lost 2 games without him!!! Surely he is more important that other palyers. Well its between him and Fisher….

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Nah, you’re right Jared. I think the Hornets being mostly under the radar will hurt his chances, but having All-Star down there will help people pay a little more attention, and if he and his team keep it up through Feb, March and April, he’ll have a shot.

  • Jared

    word good call BET

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I really like how “there are more deserving players than Kobe for MVP” can be translated as “man, I f*cking hate Kobe, he sucks, I hope he dies.” Kobe is the most talented individual basketball player in the world today. Period, end of story. But the MVP isn’t for the best player or, like Ryan so helpfully pointed out, Jordan would have won eight or nine times. MOST VALUABLE doesn’t always equal BEST.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    namik he is not more important than the other ‘palyers’ as long as one of the ‘palyers’ is Kobe Jordan Bryant

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And I hate Jordan, so that was really big of me to admit to that.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Also, Russ, don’t think I forgot how you blew me off over the weekend. Hater.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    alright i am gone with the breeze

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    G*ddamnit, someone needs to add K*be to the list of curse words on the SLAMonline servers. Im really getting sick of this sh*t.

  • namik

    damn calling out my typos….this is war!!! Anyway, I’m just trying to “start sh!t” or whatever it was I was doing.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I was actually asleep when you called and I forgot to check my messages until late. I’m quite nocturnal on weekends. My bad.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Myles has solidified his status as my favourite SLAMonline poster with that comment. Namik is a close second.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    I don’t even get that Jones. Eboy the man leads his team to the second best record in the West before his partner goes down and he still can’t get no love? Who is supposed to take a backseat to? 7 shots and 11 assists isn’t a backseat?I don’t get it.The man can’t win no matter how he plays or what he does.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Oh well, at least Kobe’s turned all these countless MVP snubs into NBA titles. Oh wait.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    BET, I just clicked on your blog for the first time. How’d you get a picture of my backyard?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    word.

  • Jared

    Bryan you just summed it up best. I hate him, but it’s true, he can’t win no matter what, period.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And, yeah, 300-plus by 11 a.m. Glad I could help. Gonna go work now. Peaces!

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    You guys all blow me off everytime I’m in new york, jerks.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    This argument is so tired. Who cares really? You either love Kobe or hate him. That’s who he is. That’s his legacy. He is a polarizing figure and a fabulous basketball talent. Lebron is a marketed machine that will run over Kobe’s legacy in due time and a few titles because he is beloved by way more. Sucks for Kobe, really, but he made that bed and seems to relish in it.

  • namik

    Here is my peace offering. LeBron is a great player who is a top3 MVP candidate along with KG and Kobe. As a Laker fan I would like to see Kobe win. But if we only base it off this season then KG wins it. And LeBron is a far better leader than Kobe. But I still think Kobe should win.

  • namik

    not like anyone cares tho…

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I love how Russ can make that comment after saying that you cant hold a guys conference against him and that the playoffs dont matter at all in a MVP discussion.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    He made the bed, eboy, but let’s not forget he called that girl up for a little “fold-down service,” if you know what I’m talking about! Yeah!
    Sorry. Anyway, Russ, make sure you check Mutoni’s new post. And I’m really leaving now. Honest. Bye.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Yeah, I wasn’t being sarcastic or anything either.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    JONES! Explain your Ledger comment.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Oh nevermind. I’m Shia Lebouf I get groupies.HAR HAR.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I shouldve figured as much, but I cant always tell dude.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    And Lebron is “made” to be beloved, like Michael was. Kobe hasn’t been show that love by the corporate entities and that’s why he still suffers poor response for his basketball faults, the few of them that there are. His game Is incredible, his approach during the game he dominates is another story altogether.

  • namik

    Sasha is now my fav Laker after his blind sprint to half court as Luke Walton threw the ball to the Spurs. That was amazingly funny.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    f*ck the haters.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Thats the tatt Kobe shouldve gotten instead of that lame ass butterfly crown…

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    That tattoo looks like it belongs on the small of some broads back.

  • namik

    Myles you have been strangely silent. Whos your MVP??

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Shia, just so you know, it’s the same 5 or 6 people that stand up for the dude here, so the hate must be pretty universal to non-Lakers fans if you use this site as a guage.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Just like there’s a couple of dozen of the same people that eat Shaq up every time there’s a story abot him. Most people have turned on him too, but Shaq’s fans, myself included, can’t cry about it. It’s just perception, reality based or not.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Ive said it like three times. Kevin F*ckin Garnett. That is his middle name by the way.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    All this Kobe talk and no Holly? She’s gonna be pissed.

  • Jared

    Eboy were you a shaq fan before he came to south beach?

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Since he terrorized the SEC at LSU. I’m old, remember? He was a monster in Orlando, a beast in LA and a facilitator to a title in Miami. Hard to hate the dudes’ body of work.

  • t-rocc

    it was nice to see that Kirk can still play last night.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    You can’t overlook his entertainment value. Dude is made for the media. He understands the entertainment side of the game, the side that the fans love seeing.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    So do other players who work a lot harder…

  • Jared

    I agree completely, I just know he had a lot of haters in his day. Neon gets no love sometimes.

  • namik

    dman myles, what happened to Laker solidarity? And Shaq was great for the Lakers even if he muddled Kobe’s brain beyond recognition so I refrain from hating on him. Enough people doing that anyway.

  • namik

    too early to spell right…

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Games absolutely suck tonight. Might be a movie night. Gotta see either No Country or Cloverfield.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Ill always respect Shaqs accomplishments, but I cant ignore that there would have been many more if he were committed to conditioning. He also wasnt the easiest guy to get along with either.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    DO NOT SEE CLOVERFIELD.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Shaq didn’t need a mid-range game back when he was MDE, and that was fine. He could just dunk on everyone, and that worked out great for him. But now that his physical gifts are diminished and his body has begun to betray him, he could use some finesse moves and a little jumper. Too bad he never worked on either.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    As Myles just pointed out, Shia, idiotic comments can be taken in the context of a conversation and understood as an opinion, or you could respond with anger and bile and say things that try to belittle someones good naturedness or a persons ideas as being “so fu*king wrong, you’re an idiot”. I choose to laugh at misinformed people, but that’s just me.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    I’m confused as to why that was directed at me.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    As am I.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Because you’re a f*cker.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    And Russ, Shaq made a legacy, not just a career on poor conditioning and dominance at his position. To be any better may have been a tad unfair to the rest of the league. But his accomplishments will speak for themselves when it’s all said and done. Just like Michael’s will, regardless of his time in a Wizards uniform. People remember winners always, it’s more difficult to remember the 2nd place guy, every time.

  • Jared

    Eboy what? You’ve called me naive, jaded, and other degrading terms in just the last week or so…

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    I like you more now that I know you like Rise Against ,Russ.I’ll let that slide. F*cker.

  • namik

    what is WHE talking about there???

  • Jared

    And I’ll always remember Patrick Ewing!

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    It was in response to your “fu*k the haters” comment, blockhead.

  • Jared

    I’m a hiphopper but I got some rise against in my ipod…they’re pretty dope i guess

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    F*ck Patrick Ewing.

  • Jared

    haha i saw that one coming…hater, sticking up for kobe and hating patrick ewing.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Yes, it’s good to be misunderstood. And if Kobe retired today, he would be remebered as a Three Time Champ and a dominant force in the league for a decade. Not too shabby for anyone that hates, so to speak.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    It was Jordan’s work ethic and will as much as his talent that not only won him those championships, but allowed him to be a more-than-capable NBA player when he was 40.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Rise Against is amazing.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Man, these commment sections are brutal. We rip anyone and everyone to shreds. I’d like to suggest we start on Magic – he hogged the ball too much.

  • namik

    Myles I heard Cloverfield was alright in cinemas. Apparently there is a sequel coming.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Shaq won’t even be able to play at the Y when he’s 40.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    No sh*t dude Jordan was giving us two years in a wizards uni that for most players would have been career years.Shaq dropped off so fast it’s sad.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Michael wasn’t 320 lbs, Russ. I think that had something to do with it. But far be it from me to try and rationilize facts. Facts are for morons.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    He can call himself the MDE all he wants, but I’m not sure if he was even the best LAKER center of all time.

  • namik

    Comparing MJ’s work ethic to Shaqs’? what??

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I respect what CLoverfield tried to accomplish. The first person account put a new spin on the whole monster movie thing. But the idea of turning it into a love story was absolutely horrible. It was seriously one of the worst movies Ive seen in years.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    And you’re absolutely right, eboy. Not that he could have come in lighter or anything. I forgot that his weight was controlled by a greater power.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    So No Country is the way to go Myles?

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Myles hates love. But loves Juno……..interesting.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    I didn’t see the game last night, as I was, you know, out actually playing basketball. I probably shot about 20-30 from 3 over the course of 5 games or so. On fire and unstoppable.
    Keep in mind that the Lakers were on the road, against the defending champs, and were missing their best (only?) post player in Bynum, their most athletic wing and defender in Ariza, their backup center in Mihm (yeah yeah, HOF), and their best shooter in Half-Pipe. Regardless of how Kobe played in the second half, under those circumstances, I am not at all bothered by the loss.
    BTW – Santa Barbara is covered in snow. Awesome.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Shaq wasnt 320 when he came in the lig either. And Michael actually made Scottie who he was. Penny, Kobe and Wade wouldve been First Team All NBA with or without the Big Exaggerator. Hes the third best center in Laker history at best. Tex Winter himself said that Shaq was overrated. History will only put his accomplishments in their proper perspective, not enhance them.

  • namik

    Michael Clayton was a good movie…

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    The next movie I actually pay to see will probably be the new Indiana Jones. Although I’m still somewhat intrigued by No Country… and that Daniel Day-Lewis flick.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Uhm, I imagine Shaq’s frame could hold about 300 lbs without much effort and without him being “a fat a*s” but again, facts are what this country was ruined on. Or maybe it wasn’t “skinny” Shaq that played at 285 lbs in his early career. Maybe that was some other dude.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And I loved Juno cause it was actually supposed to be a hipster teenage love story. They didnt ruin it by putting a f*cking monster in the middle of the movie. The two dont mix. And jeah, NO COuntry is the way to go.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Shaq is an overrated underachiever. Which is akin to saying 2+2=4.

  • http://why-bother-reading.blogspot.com/ H to the izzo

    No Country is definitely the way to go.Daniel Day is probably the best actor alive right now.

  • Jared

    Damn, underachiever? How many rings should he have won?

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    So that would make Kobe top ten, maybe, in Lakers history overall Myles?

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Shaq is the 4th best center in Laker history. Chamberlin, Jabbar, Mikan, Shaq, Mihm, Elden Campbell, Travis Knight. In that order.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Hes definitely top ten in Laker history. But probably not top 5.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Jared, don’t use that logic with these guys, their team would have three less rings without him, their just too caught up in teenage love stories and dreamlike basketball situations to notice.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Thank you Bodie.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Shaq was never in the condition he could have been in. But that never stopped him destroying opposing centres on a nightly basis. He was what he was. Hakeem had quick foot work and great hands, Shaq had unadulterated power. He used it to his advantage.

  • namik

    Kobe will only come into the top 10 if he wins a championship. Who beats Shaq out as the best center in Laker history?

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Wilt before Kareem, you’re a fuc*iing idiot, Bodie. And why are you here again, do you have internet access in the system or are you off today?

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    It remains to be seen where Kobe ranks all-time in terms of Lakers. At this point, West, Magic and Jabbar are ahead of him. Shaq, Goodrich, and Elgin are at about the same level. Worthy is a notch below, except when it comes to picking up hookers.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I agree with Kobe being top 10 but not quite top five. Yet. And I place Shaq ahead of The Big Glasses, but behind Cap and the Dipper. Cap first for me, though–if it’s based strictly on their Laker careers.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Yeah were delusional, Shaq was the hardest working man in the business. He always came to camp in shape and he wasnt consistently sidelined by knick knack injuries as a result of that, which of course put a heavier load on Kobe who had carry the team by himself for great stretches even when Shaq was around. Shaq was also the easiest guy to get along with. He wasnt at the center of TWO implosions of championship teams because of his massive ego. Three really if you wanna count the fact that he aint worth sh*t these days…

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Wilt is by far the best player in basketball history – this is not up for debate. However, it is true that his best years did not come as a Laker.

  • Jared

    Maybe you can attribute it to an era where there were no centers, but let’s be real, Shaq was more than just power, and if he was just power, then being as big as he was probably worked in his favor. But the point is he was an incredible athlete, a smart ball player, and one of the most aware players of the past 15 years. Its a travesty that he only has 1 MVP award, because regardless of numbers, Shaq was the ultimate advantage any team could have for a good stretch. I’d say he had a pretty good run and will go down as a top center.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I’d rather think that IS up for debate, but this is neither the time nor place.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    So how is he the best Laker center then, Bodie.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    And Shaq will certainly go down as A top center, but not THE top center.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Wilt is the best basketball player in history? Was that not the rashest statement ever made on these boards?

  • Jared

    Myles if you ditch shaq before the run do the Lakers win any championships?

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Myles needs to see more romantic movies to calm his fire. And maybe needs to rest his ailment instead posting and getting slightly heated so he can feel better.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Probably not. But Ive said it before and Ill say it again, Shaq couldnt have threepeated with anyone else during that era other than Kobe. Who was the one player on those Magic teams to make All NBA first team? Penny. Who was the one who won that Heat chip? Wade. Shaq was just as much a beneficiary of those guys as they were of him but he gets all the f*cking credit. It drives me nuts sometimes. Especially when I see his work ethic.

  • namik

    No keith, based strictly on numbers a great case can be made for Wilt.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Jared, don’t do it, I’m telling you. You can’t win. I only stick around in this arguments because my work allows me the opportunity to sit in front of my computer and get these boys ire up. Oh yeah, Shaq is a top five center in the history of the league. Not the best ever though. That’s silly.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    George Mikan shouldn’t even be part of the discussion, IMO. He played in a segregated League and became obsolete the second Columbus discovered the jump shot. If he was around today, he’d be an undersized eighth-string power forward.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Co-sigh Myles. That’s always been my problem with Shaq.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And Ill probably need a nap later. Being sick sucks. Actually it blows. Literally. I think I threw up my liver the other night.

  • http://why-bother-reading.blogspot.com/ H to the izzo

    You guys must think this is the summer.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    SIGN* F*CK.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Myles, for the sake of argument, what other center in that time frame could Kobe have won three titles with? Timmy is the easy choice, but is he really a center? If so, I guess that would be the one guy.

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Numbers….yeah, but numbers only tell half a story. the other half is related to the era that the player played in. And that’s a WHOLE ‘nother story.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    401

  • http://slamonline.com/online/2007/10/game-notes-boston-and-minnesota-at-london/ Keith

    Dyou reckon Holly will even bother reading all these comments? I suspect being the hardcore girl she is..that she will do. And she’ll love them.

  • namik

    Very true but I was just saying that it wasnt all that rash. All this talk makes me sad about what the Lakers could have been if everything worked out…

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Can I just say, regardless of our difference, I really love this forum for debate and everyones opinions on things. Except for Shia, since he is a blind, ghey emo person..

  • Jared

    Myles I don’t disagree that Shaq benefitted from the 3 he played with, especially Wade being that Shaq’s g-pa status now, but while they made Shaq better, you gonna say Shaq didn’t make it easier for them? Work ethic to the side, locker room issues to the side, everything but what goes down on the court to the side, Shaq has been the most dominant post player of the last 20 years, easily! That makes life a lot easier for a guard, and wins a whole sh!t load of games for a team.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Not sure if they would have won three titles, but it would have been fun as hell to see that Laker team with KG in the middle. Or, for Tex Winter’s sake, someone like Brad Miller.

  • Jared

    haha

  • namik

    Where the hell were all the Laker fans when I was being bombed by the Bron brigade??? Myles was being diplomatic and Bryan profane but thats about it…Jbn???

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    f*ck you eboy.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Kobe wouldnt have needed a center per se, just a post player. There were no centers left by the time he won. That being said along with TD, Kobe and KG wouldve been dangerous. What other wing player in the lig couldve handled the workload Shaq would throw on them when he took half the season off? Phil Jackson himself said in the same book he trashed Kobe in that Kobe made Shaq a better player than anyone else could have. And how much of Kobe’s selfishness can be attributed to having played half of his career with Shaqs foot on his neck?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Ouch.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    So sad.

  • Jared

    I agree that Kobe was a good fit for Shaq, but the bottom line is still this, the Lakers won mainly because of Shaq. Kobe was a great fit, but he most likely wouldn’t have done it alone, especially not against the Blazers, Spurs and Kings of the early 2000′s.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Shaq missed 41 games a season with the Lakers? Hard to believe, but if Myles said it, I’ll go with it.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Are you saying that the Lakers wouldn’t have needed Shaq to defeat the triple-headed monster of Rik Smits, Dikembe Mutombo and Todd MacCulloch?

  • namik

    Sarcasm just kills the discussion on this board.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    JARED, YOU CAN”T WIN!!!! THIS IS A AREA OF LAKERS LOVERS UNTIL THE END OF TIME! Well except for Russ, Shia, Myself and TAD. I think we all equally respect the Lakers franchise for it’s greatness though.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I don’t think anyone’s arguing that Kobe could have won by himself. What I DO think Myles is trying to say is that if you replaced Shaq with several other players, the Lakers could still have found a way to win championships with Kobe as the alpha dog scorer.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    That made no sense, unless there was a typo early in that comment.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    This isnt about anyone winning, there is no f*cking scoreboard. Its just a discussion that could stay on track if it werent for all the bullsh*t inbetween. Shaq would openly admit that he played himself into shape as the season progressed. How is that fair to his teammates? I dont think that Kobe could have done anything alone, but I also think that people dont recognize the burden he was under. Shaq was a blessing and a curse.

  • namik

    Have you all recieved the free cheque that the American government is sending out in an attempt to “stimulate the American economy”?? What a country….

  • Jared

    I could understand that Myles, but as a Lakers fan, how good did a 3-peat feel? Also, good piece on AJ in the mag, I finally read it yesterday.

  • namik

    Kobe was the work horse for the season and then Shaq came in the playoffs and won MVPs. But thats how the coach designed it and it worked really well. It’s not fair but thats how it is. Same with MVPs.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I respectfully withdraw my last comment.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Thanks Jared. I love you in those Subway commericals…

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I would pay good money to hear what Kobe REALLY thinks of Shaq. Guess I have to wait until he runs into some fans with a camera phone.

  • Jared

    Namik, Shaq missed 15 games max in a single-season during the 3-peat and the years they were serious contenders. Gee Myles, I’ve never heard that one, it sucks having no cool Jareds in the world.

  • http://why-bother-reading.blogspot.com/ H to the izzo

    If Kobe ends his career without an MVP(which is looking increasingly likely),I’m quiting.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Jared Leto?

  • namik

    Jared he never really exerted himself afer the first chip. And again, Phil asked him not to. So…but anyway interesting morning, see yall later.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Full disclosure on Shaq shouldve been part of Kobe’s Colorado deal.

  • Jared

    If you can half-assedly average nearly 28 and 11 then you guys are right, you’re probably not that integral…Jared Leto’s wack…Jared Jordan is wacker…Jared Jeffries is wackest

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    izzo: Oscar Robertson only won one MVP in his career. It’s not that serious.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    So did West.

  • http://why-bother-reading.blogspot.com/ H to the izzo

    Sorry,I was working under the impression that the best player wins the MVP.How silly of me,never mind.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    But I guess the thing is is that both of them played in shadow of giants. Not Dirk or Nash. I understand its more complicated than that, but the fact that Nash has as many MVPs as both Big O and West combined still turns my stomach. Seriously, if I have told you in 2001 that Nash alone would have more MVPs than Shaq and Kobe combined youd have had me committed.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’ve been so busy this morning I haven’t even been able to comment. But this has been mighty entertaining.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    And MVP= Most VALUABLE Player. Not BEST player.

  • http://why-bother-reading.blogspot.com/ H to the izzo

    I still think Nash deserved the first MVP and is probably the best offensive PG in a long time.We’ll forget about Dirk,which seems to be the thing to do this year.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    izzo: But it’s NOT the best player. Otherwise Jordan would have won the MVP from ’88-98 inclusive, and there’d be no need for anyone to even vote at all. Ever. It’s more complicated than that. (And Myles, agree with you. Hell, if you just told me that Nash was gonna win two MVPs when Cubes was letting him walk so he could pick up Erick Damp, I would have had you committed.)

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Players who have fewer MVPs than Steve Nash: Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O’Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Julius Erving, Kevin Garnett, Charles Barkley, Allen Iverson…

  • http://why-bother-reading.blogspot.com/ H to the izzo

    Russ:Which is why I realized the stupidity of my first comment.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    But Russ, what about those times between 88-98 that he DID lose? He came in a damn close second and the consensus wasnt that there was a more valuable player, but that people were just “sick of giving it to Michael…”

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Can I add Scottie Pippen, Gary Payton, John Stockton, Shawn Kemp, Patrick Ewing and Clyde Drexler?

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    That is one of the biggest travesties in basketball history.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    History doesn’t really remember who came in second in the MVP voting, though. (And it always works like that, huh? Wasn’t the biggest argument against Nash last year that he couldn’t possibly win three in a row?)

  • Captain America

    Oh, did I mention that Big Al (formerly of the Celtics) grabbed 8 offensive rebounds of this 15 boards?…gotta love that

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Myles: Yes you may. I was just working off the MVP list.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Does anyone think that the NBA should wait until after the playoffs to determine an MVP or am I alone in this?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I think it’s gotta be just regular season. Because what would you weigh more–someone who kills it in the regular season and then stumbles in the playoffs (or maybe it’s just their TEAM that stumbles), or someone who coasts through the regular season and then kills it in the playoffs?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    If Al ever commits himself to playing defense hell be a true monster. Captain, I know youre familiar with Brit Robson. We sit next to each other during games and are completely perplexed as to how such a gifted and intuitive offensive player shows none of those traits on the other end of the floor. Its maddening. I certainly dont think hes incompetent, and I hope that hes not just lazy, but I really need to watch more to put my finger on it.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Steve Nash has more MVPs than Patrick Ewing, Willis Reed, Clyde Frazier and Earl Monroe combined.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And Id like to see MVP after the season. Cause it could really bolster a guys case who doesnt have a great team around him a la Money in 89 or Bron last year.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Disquisting.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Makes sense Russ. But then you also have the Dirk fiasco from last season.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    And re Big Al: It’s damn near an epidemic, isn’t it? Al, Amare, Eddy Curry. So many gifted offensive players who either can’t or don’t play defense.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    And Myles, I agree. That is why I brought it up. Plus, an MVP from the regular season would truly have to kill in the playoffs if he was a true MVP, no?

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    I feel bad for those guys when they hit 35.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I don’t think Dirk’s MVP was a fiasco at all. It recognizes regular season excellence, and he demonstrated a hell of a lot of it.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’d vote they don’t play defense. Anyone can play D if you work at it.

  • Kadavour

    Amare is a selfish sum’a b!tch. STAT only cares about (offensive) stats. there’s no reason he shouldn’t be averaging at least 13 boards and 2.7 blocks per game. NONE!

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    TAD see: Jordan, Michael for the criteria meeter.

  • Jared

    It’s an acquired talent though TAD…guys like Eddy, Amare, and even AJ never had to play D in high school, it’s a tough transition to the L where the opposing team’s 5 isn’t 6’5

  • Kadavour

    I say Dirk was by far the worst MVP of the last 10 years. what yall think?

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    He absolutely did kill in the regular season last year, but how many people (including on these boards) mocked the choice of Dirk after he came up limp in the playoffs?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Als footwork on the offensive end should give him the foresight on the other end against defenders. STATs ridiculous athleticism should be used for more than just dunks. That guy not averaging at least three blocks a game is a f*cking travesty in itself. Eddy Curry? Ugh. Dont get me started…

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I still have hope for Al and Amare.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    469

  • Jared

    why not Eddy? Isiah believes…

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    TAD: Hindsight is 20/20.
    Kadavour: That’s not really saying much. Who would you have picked instead?

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I get that Eboy. And I know we have beat the MVP discussion to death already today, but I just wanted to throw that point of view out there.

  • Kadavour

    When you look at how Josh Smith uses his hops on defense as a forward, and then compare Amare’s defensive contributions at Center, its just disgusting. F*ck Amare.

  • whooo!

    part of the blame for amare being a sh*tty defender is his coach refuses to stress it. so instead of defense in the offseason, he works on a 3point shot!? compare duncan’s lack of athleticism to amare, but it’s a matter of actually WANTING to play defense. amare just doesn’t want to, and nobody around him on his team is helping him to learn either.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Had the Mavs actually played hard in the last game of 82 and knocked the Warriors out the playoffs, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. The Mavs would have DEMOLISHED the Clippers.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I love hindsight.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    TAD, since you like these types of things, and I’m really depressed over the Nash discussion, name your top starting 5 of all-time.

  • Kadavour

    Honestly, I’d give it to Nash or Kobe last year. the 50+ wins thing killed Kobe’s chances, but that was due to injuries after they started the season strong. So the second choice would be Nash

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Yeah, theyre still young. And under 500 pounds. But I have more hope for Al than Amare. Though I do find it funny when he talks about the importance of defense all the time. He understands defensive strategies and principles but never exhibits any effort. However, I really honor his character and competitiveness and after seeing how quickly hes improved his passing out of the double and extended his range, defensive improvments cant be that far away…

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Damn Eboy. Opening another bag of worms. What’s the criteria? Top 5 by position? Or period?

  • Kadavour

    hmm, i can actually live Amare’s lack of defense being a result of Mike D’Antoni’s system. this is why i like you guys, so many different P.O.V.s

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Period.

  • Kadavour

    hmm, i can actually live with Amare’s lack of defense being a result of Mike D’Antoni’s system. this is why i like you guys, so many different P.O.V.s

  • Keith

    This board has just turned all ESPN on us..

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Maybe it would drive the count to 1000.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    How can you kill Dirk for losing in the first round and then consider giving his MVP to Kobe? Who, last I checked, LOST IN THE FIRST ROUND.

  • http://why-bother-reading.blogspot.com/ H to the izzo

    No way they’d give Nash three in a row.

  • Kadavour

    weird double post. sorry

  • Jared

    I wouldn’t have disputed it had nashty won another won

  • Jared

    *won another one

  • Kadavour

    Kobe wasn’t expected to make a consecutive Finals run that year entering the playoffs as the number 1 seed.

  • http://why-bother-reading.blogspot.com/ H to the izzo

    OFF TOPIC:There is a baptist Church group based in Kansas who will be picketing the funeral of actor Heath Ledger who according to them died because “You cannot live in defiance of God” and also say he’s in hell.All this because of his involvement in Brokeback Mountain.Don’t discuss this,just know about it.

  • Keith

    I think it’s something to do with a certain German deemed to being weak in that first round and not playing his game, crumbling under pressure whereas Kobe plays his game (rightly or wrongly) and does everything he can but is seen to be let down by his poor supporting cast. Which no longer exists. And I’m also going to overlook the First round decider where Kobe decided to sulk and not play ball, but rather stand by and watch his team crash out of the playoffs.

  • Kadavour

    Lakers were EVERYONE’s dark-horse that entire season after the great start. The injury bug hit, and it was amazing that they even stuck around for their 7 seed. I just don’t see how putting up consecutive 50pt games to keep your playoff hopes alive didn’t qualify dude for MVP especially since the squad was so battered. If Bron does something the like of that late this season, best BELIEVE Ticket will hand-deliver the award that’s on his mantle right now to Ohio.

  • http://why-bother-reading.blogspot.com/ H to the izzo

    Keith:A first round knock out is a first round knock out regardless of your team.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Izzo, their group is called “God Hates Fags” and it is actually head by a woman and her teenage kids. The word coc*sucker is never more appropriate to describe these people.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m still with you Eboy. Having a hard time with my 5th choice.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Is that really a group Eboy?

  • Keith

    First round is first round but the manner in which you go out and the hype that surrounds you leading into that plaoff series dictates just how much hate is going to occur if you go out first round.
    And re: the group picketing the funeral…classic example of folk hiding behind religion in order to vent hate.

  • http://why-bother-reading.blogspot.com/ H to the izzo

    TAD:They are actually planning to protest at a guys funeral,what they are protesting I’ll never know.The worst kind of scum.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    I don’t think Dirk should have won the MVP and it has nothing to do with his first round exit, that just solidified how I felt about him.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    I guess I’ll post mine then:

    C- Kareem
    PF- The Mailman
    SF- Elgin
    Sg- Michael
    PG- Magic

  • Jared

    wow Eboy, that’s nuts, religion is some sh!t

  • Tom

    I didn’t read everything above me but MVP is traditionally the best player on the best team on the league, if you go by that then the Dirk and Nash selections make sense. If you say MVP is the guy who’s team, without him, is a D-league team, then Kobe, Lebron, and Nash make sense…..Its all about the criteria, and I think the League likes that its so vague because of all the discussion it creates.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    TAD, they are a group, about a year or so ago, they also protested at the funerals of the students that were killed in Pennsylvania in the Amish country. They are the epitome of indecent scum. And yes, that is the name they go by.

  • Jared

    Eboy I’m pretty much with you on your list, and it’s tough for me cause I’m younger and didn’t really get to see a lot of these guys play, but from stories I’ve heard and stats I’ve seen I think I go with Magic, Mike, Larry, Timmy, and Wilt

  • Jared

    I feel like Malone’s legend is based on his longivity. I never felt like he was one of the top 3 players in the L, so I can’t put him as the top 4…even tho he has the numbers that would differ, I just don’t think he was a dominator.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    I’d take Duncan over Malone 100 out of 100 times.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    eboy is like an encycopledia of strange little factoids. The things one has time for when old, married, and your favorite team sucks.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    I know alot about them because I listen to Howard Stern and he has them on periodically so he can belittle them and fu*k with them when they put their message of hate out there for all to see. The woman and her kids make the term “backwoods” seem civil.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Eboy, I thought you said period, not top 5 by position? Meaning your naming the top C,PF, SF, SG, and PG of all time?

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Timmy is a good choice but I don’t know if he would have been able to keep up with Karl in his prime. The center spot is so though, though. Wilt, Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq, Russell, depends on what you want out of the center spot.

  • Kadavour

    jb with the left hook to the body. eboy staggers

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Stockton, Money, Bird, KG and Olajuwon would kill any team, any time, anywhere. Perfect balance.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    And that is a crazy name to go by. What a bunch of f*cking losers.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    If (and this is a big if) Duncan is a 4, I’ll take him over Malone too. On the other hand, if playing with a legit center, and you want a 4 who can run the floor, bang, and hit a 15-18 foot jumper, I’ll take Malone.
    But it’s moot, cause Duncan is a center.
    And I’ll take Jordan and Kobe and make them interchangeable at the 2 and 3.
    Funny thing is, that team would be missing a lot. They would struggle with another team with a super-quick player like Iverson, and a dead-eye shooter like Reggie Miller, and then 3 other all time greats.

  • http://why-bother-reading.blogspot.com/ H to the izzo

    Protesting a guys funeral?F*cking pricks.It’s loons like these that really does show the dangers of religious extremism.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    *tough
    TAD, yes, use that criteria. I lost it for a minute from the God people.

  • Keith

    Stock over Magic? Interesting… You don’t subscribe to the theory that Stockon only had so many assists because of the pick and roll/pick and pop?

  • http://why-bother-reading.blogspot.com/ H to the izzo

    C:Russell
    PF:Duncan
    SF:Bird
    SG:Jordan
    PG:Magic

    6th Man:Pistol Pete

  • whooo!

    i hope that if kg wins mvp, he makes it to the finals, and sees the spurs. 2 guys with 2-mvps a piece, who shoulda been battling for the past 10 yrs but had teams headed in different directions, and two of the best to ever play the position. not as historically enticing as laker-celtics, but could end up being one of those great duels.

  • Keith

    I guess it all depends on the style of ball you wanna play too. And the style of play is determined by the coach.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    I would have loved to see KG and Rodman go at it in their primes. Watching Rodman get under Malone’s skin was always one of the highlights of those matchups.
    Myles – Agreed on Bird. But who does he guard if his choices are Magic, Jordan, Kobe, and Malone? Among that group, Magic, but what if you make Isiah the point? Bird’s in trouble then.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Myles, Stockton over Magic? Your meds must be kicking in, my man.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I just took Stockton over Magic cause he was a better shooter, possibly a better defender and thats what Id want for that team, considering the other players. That team doenst have a weak link.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    PG) Magic SG) Jordan SF) Bird, since I guess he was considered a SF? PF) Duncan, since the All Star ballot states that his position. C) Wilt.

  • Captain America

    Oh, and did I mentioned, Big Al just turned 23 years of age? Gotta love that…

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And Bird might have been the weakest defender on the team, but that doesnt necessarily mean he was a weak defender. The help D on that team wouldve been suffocating.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Yeah but Myles, if Magic was on the opposing squad, he’d be hard pressed to match Magic’s size. I agree on the better shooting aspect, though. I love this debate.

  • Jared

    That’s a squad myles, lots of unselfishness, good balance, good D…and that hate group, that’s nuts that they’re protesting a human beings funeral for a job that he did

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    533

  • Captain America

    Exit questions: How many NBA All Stars were so named on the basis of their defense primarily? Few. How many MVP’s have been so named because of their defense primarily? Few. Conversely, How many NBA All Stars were so named because of their killer offensive stats (think Big Al)? I suspect you know the answer. The cash register rings for offensive prowess. So, who’s da blame, here.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    So are we doing top 5 or the best top 5 HOF’s thrown together that would make the best team?

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    The thing is, if you were truly building a team, wouldn’t pick the best 5 at their respective positions. As much I think Pippen is totally overrated, he’s a perfect example of the kind of guy you’d want on the best team ever. You only really need one true alpha-dog who demans the ball at the end of games. The other 4 need to be able to deliver it to him, hit the open shot, get the rebound, and be 100% cool with that.

  • Captain America

    Exhibit A: The stellar current SLAM cover with AI and Melo. Must be their defense, right?

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    I’d take Rodman on that type of squad, Bodie.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    You would definitely need a defensive unselfish type for that team.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Captain…Hakeem Olajuwon, Dikembe Mutumbo, Alonzo Mourning, Gary Payton, Ben Wallace, Andrei Kirelenko, Scottie Pippen, Joe Dumars…I can keep going.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Bodie, hence my lineup.

  • Jared

    Amen Bodie, I’m thinkin JKidd, Money, Pipp, KG and Russell

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Excellent work, Senor Brown.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    If Bird, Jordan, and Kobe were all on the court, on the same team, down 3 with 2:00 minutes, they would have to fight to the death to determine who would take over. Kobe would be the first to be willing to play set-up guy, since he is the only one in that group who ever had to do it. Bird would ultimately step aside to allow Jordan to do his thing. And Jordan would never sacrifice himself in that situation, because he was such a self-centered, determined pr-ck.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Please, no Big Ben. His legend is tarnished.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    What about active? Jkidd,Kobe,Artest,KG, Duncan.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    I’m not going with Stockton, and I’m not going with Hakeem. Shaq and Wilt in their primes would have destroyed Hakeem in the post.
    Kidd would be good off the bench, but he is such an atrocious shooter that they opposing team would double off of him the entire game.
    Those of us in our 30s have seen an incredible display of basketball ability. Dr. J, Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Isiah, Pippen, Rodman, Malone, KG, Kobe, LeBron, Shaq, Stockton, etc. Too bad we missed out on Wilt, West, etc.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    If I’m going for a killer team, I’m going Stockton, Jordan, Pippen, Garnett and Russell.

  • Jared

    I don’t know Bryan, I don’t think Artest fits that mold anymore, I’d probably go with Kidd, Ray, Matrix, KG, and Duncan

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    LeBron has to be in this discussion, active or not.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Artest? What, what, what?

  • Jared

    bump that, if I’m going with an active team, it’s CP, Roy, Granger, KG and DHowitzer, they’ll win 7/8 in a row…

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Marion? WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jared

    and by granger, i meant lebron

  • Jared

    I want a team that’s gonna run but also stick d, and be able to knock down an open J because of all the attention that the post is gonna draw.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Active? Nash, Kobe, Bron, KG, Duncan.

  • Kadavour

    if the that team needed a 3 point shot to win, who would you give it to, Kobe or Jordan?

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Ray? Matrix? Is Jared retarded?
    Russ – Russell could not have guarded Shaq if his life depended on it. And KG would not be able to double off of Malone, Bird, etc.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Shaq and Wilt were monsters, but Dream wouldve been just as much trouble for Shaq on the offensive end and he already has the leg up given the 95 Finals. Hakeem was the center who had a perfect balance of offense AND defense, something Shaq never showed an interest in. For as dominant a player as Wilt was, he came up small too often in the playoffs.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Current: Kobe, Lebron, Dwight, Timmy, CP-3. Sixth man, AI.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Actually, f*ck Nash–replace him with Iverson.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Kobe – Jordan didn’t take nearly as many threes. But I’ll bring Reggie Miller and/or Bird in to knock that 3 down.
    Jared must be 11 years old. Not bad for a 5th grader.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Active? Nash, Kob, Bron, KG, Howard.

  • Kadavour

    Um, NBA finals, Magic vs Rockets. I seem to remember one Hakeem Olajuwon, OWNING a very athletic Shaquille O’Neal on BOTH sides of the court

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Bodie: Russell did just fine against Wilt, and you claim him as the best player ever. I’m sticking with my five.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Wilt never had a frickin team as compared with Russell. And if Shaq is the 5, I put Duncan or KG on Akeem on the other end. Maybe even Rodman.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Not enough balls for Iverson and KB Russ.Unless KG runs the point which would be badass.

  • Jared

    wow bodie, you’re wylin, i said i want a team with guys that can run and shoot, especially if i have jason kidd as my point. If I have a point guard who pushes why wouldnt I want a guy like Shawn Marion on my team? Do you see his numbers? He’s probably the closest thing to a modern day scottie pippen that we’ll see for a while. And he plays defense, if I’m going with an active team, I can’t think of many 3′s who are more well-rounded…d-bag

  • Kadavour

    No big compete with Dream. He was a guard in a center’s body

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Russ – Russell’s team (with all 32 HOF players on it) clearly won over Wilt’s team. But what were the individual stats in their matchups? I’m willing to bet Wilt was clearly better in that regard, even when matched up against each other. Is it fair to fault Wilt that his teammates weren’t on par with Russell’s?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Bodie, what about the 72 Finals (I think…) against the Knicks? Willis Reed comes limping out of that tunnel and Wilt DOESNT drop a million points on him? NO excuse.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    d-bag? I prefer the old reliable T-bag, but that’s just me.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Jared – Do you have any idea what Kobe and Jordan would do to Marion, especially considering that Marion wouldn’t be getting ANY help? Sh-t, Lamar Odom kills Marion.
    And again, Kidd would not be on the court, because he can’t shoot, and someone like Pippen or Jordan would double off of him and get in the passing lanes and create all sorts of havoc.

  • Jared

    73

  • Jared

    We’re talking active dude…Jordan doesnt play ball anymore

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And Russ, your team (all time) only has one scorer…

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    And Russell’s TEAM with Jordan et al wouldn’t be good enough? Hell, I’d switch KG onto Wilt/Shaq some possessions, too. You’d think the two of them combined had won 67 championships.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Didn’t Willis Reed play about 10 minutes in that game and score less than 10 points?

  • Kadavour

    That was Wilt in his dog-days though. a full 11 years AFTER 100 points and 50 and 25

  • Jared

    I gave my all-time team above, who would take shawn marion or ray allen on an all-time team?

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Myles: But imagine the defense! I considered putting Barkley on there ahead of KG…

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    I was thinking of Charles, too Russ.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    I also considered West over Stockton.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    And I picked Ron for his defense although, Iverson ,Kobe,Lebron,KG,Howard would be amazing.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    And bodie, you’re making Myles’s argument for him. Chamberlain’s team lost when he was playing against the Knicks BACKUP center.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Lebron and KG could run the offense and let KB and AI attack non stop.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Magic, Jordan, LeBron, KG, Kareem

  • Jared

    I doubt Bron would get the touches he needs to be effective on offensive if he ran with that squad

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Id sacrifice one defender for another scoring option. So out goes Pip for Bird.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Probably not Jared, but would it matter? Oscar then maybe.

  • Kadavour

    Jared, LeBron doesn’t need to establish a shooter’s rhythm on a team of superstars. His dime game will be good enough (UNDERSTATEMENT) and when needs be, he can run with reckless abandon to the hole and at least draw a foul in an attempt to get a lay up. if a double comes, he’d def trust his teammates enough to pass.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Wilt’s playoff stats, from 1959-60 to 1972-73, his last season.
    22.5 pts, 24.5 rbs, and 4.4 ast.
    His last 3 seasons, his point totals were way down.
    Reed scored 4 points in his legendary game.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Bill Russell is Ben Wallace with good teammates.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    What about a team of Magic, Bron, KG, Dirk and Hakeem? Pretty much interchangable positionwise, big, quick. Not that they wouldn’t get beaten by Jordan and four random Buffalo Braves, but still.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    haha Bodie what the f*ck?

  • Kadavour

    Wilt was a statistical anomaly. i looked up his NBA records on wikipedia the other day and i still havent gotten over how much better than the competition he was. In terms of playing at a level beyond those in your era, Wilt unmatched. Pistol Pete is another one of those who rose LEVELs above his comp

  • Jared

    It’s not about shots for LBJ, he’s the best with the ball in his hands, whether that’s to attack or to find the best opportunity for his team, but that was also Magic’s strength. I’m saying LeBron is too much of a combo of Magic (playmaker, set-up the offense) and Mike (incredible scorer) to fit in well with those 2.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    The Celts last chip came in The Forum with Wilt on the bench. Beef with coach or not NO excuse. He shouldve made sure he was inexpendable.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Bodie’s Russel/Ben comparison comment may be comment of the day for it’s pure stupidity.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Wilt also played when scores like 162-157 weren’t uncommon, and the L was loaded with guys like eboy.

  • Kadavour

    Bron would be humbled and just fine Jared. Imagine if LeBron could play in a system where he could create off screens. Magic could do that for him, no one runs the floor better. The key to all this would be tricking all of them into playing harmoniously. Maybe if the Monstars attacked, but like an updated version that wasn’t crippled by beautiful Space Jam 11s on Money’s feet.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Wilt never had a single game with less than 10 rebounds. And he never fouled out of a single game.
    eboy – Since you are the only one on here who saw him play, how good was Russell when he was young?

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    White, handsome and 6’0? Not too shabby if you ask me. Russ, you’re just jealous cause my basketball playing style doesn’t rely on multiple headbands and armbands to scare my competition.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    He was nice, Bodie. Better than your father for sure, better than your buddy, Walton, not quite as good as Mr. Abdul Jabar.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Bill Russell more or less invented modern defense as we know it.

  • Jared

    Kadavour I’m just saying that if the entire history of the NBA is at your disposal, that team would be better with a guy who can knock down an outside j more consistently and be more of a role player on a team with magic and money. LeBron as a role player with those two doesn’t utilize him to his capabilities the way it would if you had a solid defender who’s j was water and could play some D (not sayin LeBron can’t play D, but it’s not THE reason you want him on your squad)

  • Kadavour

    agreed. I’d go for shooter/defender myself.

  • Jared

    And Bill Walker looks like he really beefed up

  • jazzy cabbages

    imagine if it actually rained skittles

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    610

  • Tom

    hakeem vs. jabbar has got to be the hardest decision to make…..I only caught Kareem at the end so he obviously wasn’t as mobile, and the sky hook is the greatest shot ever, BUT I’ve never seen anyone with more post up moves as Hakeem, plus dude had some serious D

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    I’ll take Wilt over both.

  • Kadavour

    i remember seeing a vid of Wilt BLOCKING the sky hook. unbelievable, i know, but i’m looking for the vid on youtube now.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Video was around when Wilt was? Really?

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    I don’t think any of us are old enough to be having a deep discussion about Wilt or Bill. Just thought I’d throw that out there.

  • Kadavour

    here it is. around 1:55-1:58. you can mute R. Kelly – youtube.com/watch?v=7ab6Tex4H1Y

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Co Co, you little rascal, you.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Hey Eboy.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Damnit Co Co, don’t start bringing sense into this debate. You’ll ruin the argument.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Hi, sweetheart. How are those Hawks doing in the standings right now? I haven’t been paying attention to it, just going night by night and day by with Holly’s recaps.

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Hell, half the people on here aren’t old enough to have a deep discussion about Magic and Bird.

  • Tom

    here’s the wilt block on Kareem….one of ‘em looks like a goaltend, but still, btw, that Hakeem block was sick…..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gByA8KhgR4o

  • http://www.lkz.ch Darksaber

    Holy Jesus 600+ comments??! Really? Not even Kobe hate/love specials get this much response. Holly is the new Slam magnet.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    True, True, Russ. And actually, maybe Holly can somehow incorporate a standings bracket in the Post Up, like every Monday so we can check it on the regular.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    What? I love the Orlando Magic Russ. Dwight is a beast! Ohhhhh, you mean the other Magic…..

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    YOu’re right Russ. Eboy, my Hawks are 17-21 and out west for 4 more games. Check my blog and you’ll know what our position is.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    All right dude I’m off to the mall.See ya tomorrow.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Because the more we fall or rise, the more unpleasant or pleasant my rants will be.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Shia, why you going to the mall with no money?
    And yeah! Co Co has a pic on her blog.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Yep that’s my big head!

  • http://why-bother-reading.blogspot.com/ H to the izzo

    CoCo:The place is a lot pinker than I remembered.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Eboy was right, you look good. But I like when females aren’t stuck on themselves. Hopefully your Hawks can win a few games here soon so we don’t hear your mad rants.

  • Tom

    ok I now i know i spend too much time on this site……i just called some dude on the phone Russ because I just finished reading his comment.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    To help my friend shop?

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Oh ok Shia. Is that what they call trolling for mall a$$ now?

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Tad, I’m not stuck on myself. I resent that. Izzo I changed the color to give it life!

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Told you she was fine, TAD.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Nah I’m going with my gfs best friend.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    “Shia keeps it on the down low, nobody has to know”

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Haters. Anyway I’m out for real now.Til tomorrow.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Late.

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    FINALLLLLY HOLY SWEET HELL. I stay up all night fighting and struggling with mfing wireless and then I loseeee all access to this insanely amazing, frustrating conversation today… jeezzzz just got through all of the comments.. I’m sure there are another 50 that were made since I got through them all.. I was not in the right state to discuss my boy earlier this morning, but it was good to hear all of the conversation. And Ryan Jones, fully joining in on the convo was a great little surprise Tons of Myles, Russ cracking me up with his “Who played less defense, Al of Stoudemire? Think them came to an agreement before the game” Shia keeping it on the down low. hahaha MVP discussions… KGKGKGKGKGKGKG……………KB has a real chance here without Bynum and Ariza to show his worth…anything like the opening 5 minutes of the 3rd and that will be over. oh well. I’m loving KG, cp3,….ahh I’m not even going to try to resurrect this debate.C3P3 Tyson and DWest are awesome to watch play together. Myles, I loved each and every comment you made. ahhhhh I missed too damn much.. anyway.. Eboy, lets talk a little more about the standings.. I’ve been thinking about that myself too.. because I find myself going through to look at the standings when I’m writing.. so that might be the solution.

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    wow… the convo really did die and i missed it all, dammit!

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Hey Holly. Glad to have you back. It was an interesting day. All bball talk too.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I think everyone else has departed. Co Co and Russ are still lurking elsewhere.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    I love Holly from the dirt to the moon.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Holly, if it’s something that doesn’t overburden your already ridiculous schedule, t would be a cool spot on the SLAM site to be up to date on the teams rankings since you are the everyday source to all things the night before.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Good post Holly. Everytime I visit i”m already 300+ comments behind. Today I was 600+ behind, but I decided to speak on it anyway.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Co Co, so now that I’ve read your blog and am up to date, will they sneak in to the playoffs or will they just fall short?

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    ah, there is life out there! boooo how sad was I to see all that I missed? I was thrilled to see all of the conversation (and I really love when the other SLAM guys start blessing us with their presence for debates), but man oh man do I feel like I missed out on some great conversation.

    Eboy, we will figure something out. I’ll talk to Sam and maybe just include it in the Monday Post Up, or maybe have a separate post for it. It would be cool to include the past 10 games records too. Arghhhh Turiaf with +13 in that game last night and he sat the entire effing third….okay. Enough Laker talk.. How is everyone?!

    Co co, thanks! Good to see you around :)

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I think the Hawks will make it, edging out the Nets and Bobcats. But it hould be a tight race to the finish.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’m great Holly. I’ve be watching Russ debate weed smoking and whether or not they should allow players to do it in another forum. Good stuff.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    Eboy, I fear they will fall short. but the fan in me won’t allow me to write them off so soon

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    ohh, I’ve got to make my way over there. Something tells me my opinions on that are much harsher than most. ahahah I guess I’m just too good for my own good! hahaha

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Holly, I know you hate to rehash the Lakers thing from yesterday, but I put it out there to you about 600 comments ago what was your take on 24′s approach in the second half. Why did he go that route? They could have stolen that game if he played the same way he did in the second half and I was sitting there saying to myself “Holly must be losing her fuc*ing mind”.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Have faith Co Co. Remember, you still have 2 rookies and some young players building cohesion on the team. I think the Hawks make a run in the 2nd half.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    first half, sorry.

  • RV

    How does Chuck hayes’ block on durant not make NBA Tv’s top 10, but a standstil 3 pointer by Barry does?

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    But Tad, they don’t have an offense. Still.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Really? I thought the Hawks issue was defense and rebounding. I know they don’t have a legitimate post player, defender, or rebounder. But I’m quite sure if Woodson would let loose of the reins some and let them run they would be ok.

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    I guess thats what makes it sooo effing hard to root FOR Kobe. he doesn’t make sense.. he understands the game and his team WAYYY to much to ever do what he did in the second. Damn, I was hyped up. And, when he plays like that, the rest of the team just watches.. Farmar and Turiaf really tried to push things and keep the Lakers in it and I respected that they were able to do that even with Kobe going nutso solo. Gosh. I can’t even put it into words.. Maybe that it was against Bowen? Maybe he wanted to show he can both defer and be a distributer AND save his team when need be (which is so dumb, because we all know who would get the ball when they need a basket, just like in Seattle), either way, Kobe’s first 5 minutes of the half sucked the life out of the Lakers and infused the Spurs with all of the confidence in the world. It is like they saw Kobe revert into that horrible play and they knew they had already won the game.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    It didn’t help that Manu played like he was infused with the ghost of Pistol Pete Maravich. TWO in between leg passes and numerous huge plays. GINOBLI was off the fu*king hook.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    And each time Boston takes a loss, I’m extremely happy. I guess the 73-9 talk can be put to rest now, huh? Idiotic “Leaders”.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I agree with that Eboy.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    They really don’t have an offense. Not one that anyone can decipher.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Who Co Co, the Celtics?

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Well, if they had a legit post threat or a real PG, it would help that tremendously. But with all those 6’9 athletes, I say let em run.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    666, third time in a week?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Hi Holly.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Nellie would have a ball with that team.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Good, TAD has the stigma. 666 is like the new 1st.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Damn Eboy, don’t go doing anything stupid anytime soon.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I got it??

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    Mylesss…we need to talk privately about these Lakers. hahaaaaa I was one cranky girl last night. And the whole weed post over there.. I’m not even going to attempt to step into that mess except to say that I am with Russ 100000000% on that issue. And Ginobili made me want to stab my eyes out with a sharpie. Damn, he was good..And coming out after half, you could see him with his head up trying to keep the other guys loose and into the game.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Yeah Holly, that weed post has gone totally left field. I bothered not to jump in myself.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Really, the whole Spurs team stepped up big time. And the kid stayed toe to toe with Kobe in his minutes in the 2nd half. Pretty impressive.

  • http://coco-vents.blogspot.com Co Co

    What are you talking about the Celtics eboy. I’m lost.

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    I figured out what you were talking about Co Co, my bad.

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    I wanted to trip Barry, especially after those two shots to end the third. I was frustrated with the subbing in the third too. Obviously that is not the main reason why we lost the game.. but jeez.. After a first half that is beautiful basketball, to play like that??! Awful.

    I haven’t even had time to see the laker post game interviews or read the news today, damn internet!

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Feel free to email me. I was watching the beginning of the game in the press room during Wolves/Suns halftime, but didnt see much beyond the first quarter. Regardless, as Bodie said, there were too many guys missing for me to take a loss that seriously. I do have a few questions though…

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    eboy – I didn’t watch the game last night, but Phil’s quotes in the LA Times today were interesting. He basically blamed Lamar (who took like 7 shots) and Luke for not getting involved. And with the Lakers missing Bynum, Ariza, and Half-Pipe, who exactly is he supposed to pass to?

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    yeah, Myles, it shows how dangerous we are WITH Bynum and Ariza and the rest of the guys back, but it just was so hard to watch when Kobe was playing beautiful basketball in the first half, dictating everything that was happening offensively, the guys were involved, had energy, confidence, you know what I’m saying. We just need to hang on until we can get Bynum back and then hopefully go from there. I bet the Wolves locker room was fun after that win. And, did you mention Nash’s drink of choice post-game yet?! ahaha

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Myles did mention Miller Lite in a can. Nellie did rub off on Nash I see.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Losing on the road to the defending champs with your full team intact is an acceptable loss. Losing under last night’s circumstances (in and of itself) is not even a blip on the radar.
    Read today’s LA Times article from the game. You no longer have to register to do so.

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    We had Turiaf on the bench the entire third quarter when he was the only big who brought any type of energy. It was frustrating. And I know Critt is only a rookie, but when we needed some energy couldn’t we have thrown him in there for a few minutes just to see what he could bring? I like the kid and while he is very raw I still want to see more of him. Of course, we all know Phil and his love for rookies…Im heading over to read the LA times stuff now.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    It was funny cause I was on the phone and he just comes strolling outta the locker room and kills the whole thing in under a minute like he was at a frat party or some sh*t. He was really pissed after that loss. The funniest thing in the Wolves locker room was when we all crowded around Al’s locker for questions and Chris Richard, who was right next to him-and played zero minutes-was like “Hold on fellas, Ill answer everything after I get dressed.” Also, interesting sighting:Myoplex in Corey Brewers locker. If anyone ever needed steroids…

  • http://whitehoteboysworld.blogspot.com white hot eboy

    Bodie, the point being, when they were up by 10 at halftime the pothead Walton and everyone else involved with broadcast were touting your boys as world beaters, it didn’t matter who was missing, things were all hunky dory. It’s a weak argument when a team chokes away a game on one players bad decison making and then tries to pass the buck by saying “well if we had X and X and X”. You had the game in hand. Figure out why you blew the game not what may have been if other guys were there to help out.

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    Bodie, I think it was Kobe’s play that frustrated me more than the loss. I wouldn’t have taken a loss to the Spurs so badly because hey, they are the Spurs, it was the difference in the two halves that frustrated me. The second half collapse and the way Kobe just screwed everything up after he played the game so well in the opening 24 minutes got to me. The loss itself, who cares, it was to the Spurs on the road.

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    But, the frustrating thing was, it didn’t have to be a loss. We could have won the damn game, that is what is making me crazy.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Yeah, I must admit, that first half from the Lakers impressed even me. And I don’t like KB. But that 12 point 3rd quarter was unacceptable, even if you are down 3 players.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Kobe had 29, 12, and 5, and he lost the game? It’s a strange world you all live in.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    9 turnovers.

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    he also had 9 turnovers, forced a ton of shots in the third that threw the Lakers out of the rhythm. His first half was the half of an MVP, the second was not. Not strange, just reality. And it wasn’t that he had that bad of a percentage, just took stupid shots. Still, I feel for him because I know he is used to having to take over and usually is able to. I just don’t get why he deviated from what was working so well in the first.

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    And my standards for Kobe are set high because of how talented he is. He is TOO damn smart to play the way that he did in the second. arghh. okay..Back to the TWolves. funny stuff about CR offering to answer your questions. How was McCants? I read one of the replies to Lang’s all-star list yesterday and the person was a Wolves fan who said season-ticket holders hate the kid’s play, his attitude, etc. How is the team chemistry on the wolves as a whole?

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Because Lamar and Luke, in addition to having vaginas, borrowed David Harrison’s bong at halftime? Because Bynum, Ariza, Half-Pipe, and Half-Mihm were out?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Shaddy may score 15ppg but a lot of times he scores meaningless buckets in blow out games. Hes earned a lot of the criticism he gets, but hes also a talented player who can create his own shot, an attribute that is sorely lacking from the rest of our roster. Team chemistry seems cool for a 7-34 franchise. Theres some good guys on this team Al, Gomes, Brewer and Marko are all pretty amicable guys. Toine has been kinda moody, but its understandable. Hes been a good veteran presence off the bench for these younger players and while he may be short with the media, he doesnt let that carry over to his teammates. And Mark Madsen couldve just lost a limb and hed still find five minutes to talk to you. Im gonna give it another year, I think theyll be aight.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Plus, Marko is a pimp. That always counts for something in my book.

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    I love Madsen’s attitude and that is the perfect way to describe him. Good to hear the guys get along well and are not letting their record affect the camaraderie. These past two games have been huge and the Denver game before that was a good one too. Hopefully they will continue to grow and improve as the season goes on and they will get a great pick and continue to improve next season. I’ve liked McCants game for awhile, but I don’t watch the Wolves as much as I should. I definitely didn’t watch much of the match up last night and as awesome as it was for Al to go off for 38, I’m happy I didn’t see Amare’s lack of D. I didn’t need anything else to make me go over the deep end last night!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    You people don’t even have the decency to get to 700 without me? That’s just sad.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Here: LeBron.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And… Kobe.

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    bodie, you wrote the book.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Very good. My work here is done.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Im still going to Wolves games just for Adrianna.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Wait, Toine is a ‘positive’ veteran influence??

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Yup.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Damn, Minny must be so cold it freezes players brains.

  • http://www.screwston.com Tarzan Cooper

    holly, mark madsen? now you guys are just desperate to add more comments

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    Madsen is a good guy. Funny as hell and always good for a quote. Myles, is Adrianna at the games? She puts “Mrs. Parker” to shame.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    I don’t know about her putting Mrs Parker to shame. She’s tiny and a brunette, both major pluses. More importantly, she looks like (in my expert opinion) she lets little frenchy go backdoor on her. Deal breaker.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Or tie breaker. Whichever.

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    I was actually just referring to the ridiculous amount of hype longoria gets when I think Jaric dating Adrianna is impressive and surprising. But, thanks for your expert opinion. Lord knows I hadn’t given it much thought and I don’t even want to know what makes her “look” like such.

  • http://why-bother-reading.blogspot.com/ H to the izzo

    Adrianna>Eva

  • http://slamonline.com Russ Bengtson

    Eva Longoria creeps me the f*ck out.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com TADOne

    I don’t even want to picture Tony and backdoor anything unless its basketball related.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Holly – It’s like a 6th sense, and therefore can’t really be described. But I know it when I see it.
    TaDOne – So picture Eva. Afterall, it’s her backdoor.

  • http://tadone.blogspot.com TADOne

    I’m with you Bodie.

  • http://myspace.com/mrdyalekt d.Y.

    You could be paid well for that sort of talent Bodie.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    I am, D.Y. It’s the form of the currency that I receive that’s a little odd, if you know what I mean.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    I have yet to see Adrianna, but if she brings Gisele with her, I cannot be held responsible for my actions. And Eva Longoria looks like … I have nothing nice to say.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apathy hursty

    fu(kers

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Not everyone likes the DDDD look, Myles. Some of us like em small and flexible.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Myles Brown

    Light, kinda dark. Short, kinda tall. Slim, sorta thick, I swear I love em all. But Eva just gets on my f*cking nerves.

  • http://yahoo.com Cool & DP

    TheMC5, i’m looking for your ass. I know you are not going to come on here again so I’m not worried about you but don’t talk greasy about me dude. I know its 800 comments later but I dont like that sh*t so watch out because I am a full blooded goon internet thug. play wit it.

  • http://yahoo.com DP

    im f*cking back and better than ever. it feels good to be on the dark side again.

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