Friday, August 22nd, 2008 at 8:00 am  |  283 responses

Scouting Report: Kobe Bryant Vs. LeBron James

How they compare in the skills that matter.

by David Friedman

Comparisons of Kobe Bryant to LeBron James often generate a lot more heat than light. This is because there is one camp that cannot even conceive of the possibility that James is better than Bryant and another camp that cannot even conceive of the possibility that Bryant is better than James.

Some people base their arguments on statistics, some people compare the supporting casts surrounding each player and other people offer vague generalizations about selfishness, killer instinct and other qualities that are very hard to quantify in a meaningful way.

I compare players—not just Bryant and James, but all players—by skill set. Statistics can be affected by a player’s position, his role on the team and other factors; the numbers are important to consider but they don’t tell the whole story.

For instance, according to BasketballReference.com in NBA/ABA history 24 different players have had a total of 61 seasons in which they averaged at least 20 ppg and eight apg. Not surprisingly, Oscar Robertson leads that group with 10 such seasons, but do you know who has the second most 20-8 seasons?

Stephon Marbury (6).

I hope we can all agree that Marbury is not an all-time great point guard just because he put up some gaudy scoring and assist totals.

Let’s compare the respective skill sets of Bryant and James:

1. Shooting

Bryant is a much better free throw shooter than James (.839 to .728) and Bryant has a better jump shot from both the midrange and three point areas. Shooting is James’ biggest weakness but despite his much publicized work to improve his touch he actually has regressed during his career: his free throw percentage declined for three straight seasons, from .754 as a rookie to .698 in 2006-07, before bouncing back slightly to .712 last season.

Against many NBA teams James overcomes this with his sheer athletic power, bulling his way to the hoop to score in the paint (that is why his overall field goal percentage is higher than Bryant’s, much like Shaquille O’Neal’s field goal percentage is higher than Hakeem Olajuwon’s even though Olajuwon had greater shooting range). However, in each of the last two seasons when James went up against the eventual NBA champions those teams built a wall around the paint, sagged off of James and dared him to make jump shots.

The result was that James averaged 22.0 ppg, shot .356 from the field (including .200 from three point range) and committed 5.8 turnovers per game as the Spurs swept his Cavs in the 2007 NBA Finals; he averaged 26.7 ppg, shot .355 from the field (including .231 from three point range) and committed 5.3 turnovers per game in the 2008 Eastern Conference Finals versus the Celtics.

In contrast, Bryant averaged 29.2 ppg, shot .533 from the field (including .333 from three point range) and committed just 2.4 turnovers per game as the Lakers beat the Spurs in five games in the 2008 Western Conference Finals; he averaged 25.7 ppg, shot .405 from the field (including .321 from three point range) and committed 3.8 turnovers per game versus the Celtics in the 2008 NBA Finals.

Note that James’ turnover numbers skyrocketed because defenders could simply sit in the passing lanes. Opposing defenders are also more apt to foul James because James is not a reliable free throw shooter.

Advantage: Bryant

2. Rebounding

James has a career rebounding average of 6.9 rpg, while Bryant has a career rebounding average of 5.3 rpg but the only logical way to look at this is by position.

James is a small forward who is nearly as big as Karl Malone was, so he naturally shoulders a bigger rebounding burden than Bryant, a shooting guard who plays on the perimeter. James is one of the best rebounders at his position and Bryant is one of the best rebounders at his position.

Of course, sometimes they guard each other and near the end of Cleveland’s 94-90 win over the Lakers, Bryant did a remarkable thing: he beat James to an offensive rebound after an Andrew Bynum miss, giving the Lakers a crucial late game possession.

After the game, someone asked Bryant how he did that but he just laughed and said, “I’m not giving up my secret. I told him (James) I was going to get it. That’s just years of experience.”

Yes, that was just one play but Bryant does that kind of thing fairly often; he knows all of the angles, his footwork is impeccable and he does not shy away from contact. When Andrew Bynum was out of the lineup and before the Lakers acquired Pau Gasol, Bryant averaged 10.4 rpg in a five game stretch without a decrease in his scoring or assists averages.

Advantage: Draw (James has the edge in size, Bryant has the edge in savvy)

3. Defense

Bryant has made the All-Defensive First Team six times, while James has yet to earn an All-Defensive Team selection.

Keep in mind that the voting in this category is done by NBA head coaches (who cannot choose their own players), not media members. I often hear fans criticizing Bryant’s defense but NBA head coaches have consistently recognized him as a top defender. Bryant has the ability to play lock down, denial defense against any shooting guard in the league but the realities of an 82 game schedule during which he also is asked to score 30-plus ppg mean that he does not play lock down defense on a nightly basis; however, that does not mean that he is playing poor defense the rest of the time.

Bryant understands what the opposing team is trying to do and he is very disruptive not only to his own man but also as a help defender. During the NBA Finals, Boston Coach Doc Rivers made an observation that did not get nearly as much play as it should have, namely that Bryant is the best help defender the league has seen since Scottie Pippen.

When James first came into the NBA he did not understand the finer points of NBA defense but he has been an avid student and quick learner at that end of the court. Cleveland Coach Mike Brown has a defense-first philosophy and James has bought into that completely, which inevitably leads to the rest of the team falling in line behind him.

Even when James makes an incorrect read he can often make up for it due to his incredible athletic ability. At the rate that James is improving it is only a matter of time until he will merit recognition as an All-Defensive Team player, possibly as soon as next season.

Advantage: Bryant

4. Passing

Many people simply look at career apg averages (6.6 for James, 4.6 for Bryant) and award this category to James in a landslide—but it is not that simple, as the Robertson/Marbury example indicates. As I noted during the Spurs-Hornets series, the assist may be the most subjective statistic in the boxscore.

That is one reason that the Cavaliers also track “hockey assists,” the pass that leads to a scoring pass (James gets plenty of those, too). Although I cite assist numbers when I write game recaps because those totals give a “quick and dirty” idea of who is doing the playmaking, when I compare the passing abilities of two players I consider the following factors: court vision/ability to read the defense, ability to make all of the fundamental passes, willingness to pass.

James has remarkable court vision but Bryant is a lot better in this regard than some people may think. It was not easy for him to display this when Kwame Brown was the recipient of his passes but when Andrew Bynum stepped up last season and especially after Pau Gasol arrived Bryant demonstrated that he can run the pick and roll and deliver a pass as well as the best point guards in the NBA.

James has a unique pass in his repertoire that few if any other NBA players deliver on a consistent basis: the crosscourt, bullet skip pass that punishes a trapping defense by finding the open man like a heat seeking missile. Bryant is capable of making this pass and he does so at times but James does this several times a game. The point is not whether or not this results in an assist but rather that defenses have to take this into account. James’ poor shooting takes away some options from him but his crosscourt passes give the defense something to worry about if their rotations are not crisp.

In terms of bounce passes, chest passes, outlet passes, no look passes and various kinds of feeds off of pick and roll plays, Bryant and James each have the full repertoire.

Most people understand this about James but a lot of people fail to recognize Bryant’s skills as a passer. James is generally considered a “pass first” player while Bryant is called a “shoot first” player, but last season James led the NBA in scoring and averaged 21.9 field goal attempts and 10.3 free throw attempts per game, while Bryant averaged 20.6 field goal attempts and 9.0 free throw attempts. By necessity, both players are “shoot first” players for their teams.

Hypothetically, if both players were placed on the court in a situation that was truly a 50-50 read—meaning that the player could justifiably either shoot the ball or make a pass—I agree with the subjective evaluation that Bryant may be more of a “shoot first” player than James is. However, the reality is that both players are expected to lead their teams in scoring while also being the primary playmaker. Their assist totals reflect the areas on the court where they receive the ball and the kinds of passes that they make in their respective offenses.

Advantage: Slight edge to James

5. Footwork/fakes

Bryant has arguably the best footwork in the NBA and this is no small matter: his ability to pivot, his use of the jab step and his cutting/ability to use screens are great assets offensively, while his footwork defensively is equally outstanding. Michael Jordan increasingly relied on footwork as he got older and you can already see Bryant going down that same path, even though Bryant still retains a lot of athletic ability at this point.

People get mesmerized by Bryant’s shotmaking but they don’t pay attention to the finer points of how he consistently gets open against the NBA’s best defenses, the subtle fakes and moves that Bryant uses to throw defenders off balance. Bryant can score in the post against bigger or smaller defenders because his footwork is so good and he is almost impossible to guard facing the basket for the same reason.

At this stage, James’ footwork is much more rudimentary.

He uses some jab steps but basically he simply gets by people with brute force and stunning speed. There is nothing wrong with that but those tools don’t work in every situation. James is also not nearly the postup offensive threat that he should be considering his size and athletic gifts. He is capable of getting in a defensive stance and sliding his feet but sometimes he plays a bit too upright, relying on his athletic ability to bail him out if he gets beat.

Advantage: Bryant

6. Ballhandling

Bryant and James are both excellent ballhandlers. They each prefer their right hand but are able to dribble and finish in traffic with their left hand if necessary. James is a bit more apt to try a risky pass that could be stolen, while Bryant is more apt to lose the ball in traffic when he drives to the hoop. Bryant’s ballhandling style relies on finesse and precision, while James takes full advantage of his size and strength to overpower his defenders and get into the lane.

Advantage: Draw

There is not a huge gulf between Bryant and James at this point. It seems that most of the people who believe that James is already better than Bryant fall into two camps: fans who are speaking from the heart more than the mind and stat heads who strictly look at (certain) numbers without considering any context. If you talk to NBA executives, coaches, players and scouts their evaluation will generally resemble the one that was offered above; it may differ in certain specific details but people who look at the game from a technical, objective standpoint realize that Bryant’s skill set is more well rounded than James’ skill set at this point. James’ size and athletic ability mitigate those skill set factors to some extent, so one could make a case that James is better than Bryant in that sense but I’d have to see an improvement in James’ shooting and/or a greater decline in Bryant’s athletic ability to agree with that take.

Consider what Larry Bird recently told Dan Patrick about Kobe Bryant: “I think he’s the best player in the world. I think he’s probably one of the best players that could be compared to Michael Jordan since Michael Jordan retired. He’s no Michael Jordan but he’s the closest thing.” I know that a lot of fans don’t want to hear or believe that, but what Bird said is a fair representation of what knowledgeable NBA people think about Bryant.

To read more of David Friedman’s basketball articles, just take a 20 Second Timeout.His general sports commentary can be found at BestEverSportsTalk.

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  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    “Shut up! F*ck you! You f*cking d*ck!
    Always nay-saying, everything I create! You piece of sh*t!
    YOU create something…! You f*cking sh*t!
    You f*cking sit in your tower!…
    What’s funny? You f*cking b*tch! F*cking… f*ck you!
    F*ckin’…c*ck *ss!!

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Pretty much.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    That’s from a song called “Inward Singing” by Tenacious D. It’s sort of what Myles said at 3:13 p.m., only using fewer words. And better ones.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Someone has to fill Russ’ void.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    C*ck ass seems like an improper term in light of the Amechi press this week.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I assume Russ recognized the lyric.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    And the sentiment.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Sorry Eboy – Like Kobe in a hotel, I couldn’t help myself.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Eboy: of course Kobe is a better scorer and defender than Lebron, Of course his ball-handling and footwork are better. This is why anyone could argue that he is a better player than Lebron. My actual main point of contention is the assists, which really change everything. It’s Lebron’s superior passing that let’s Bron Bron get away without having an outside shot, which is something David wont stop harping on. It’s Lebron’s ability to see everyone everywhere and be able to get them involved at (most, cause it is Cleveland) any time. Kobe just doesn’t have that great court awareness, but people slack off him on offense because of his outside shot. By suddenly making the bold claim that Kobe is such an incredible decision maker (which is being incredibly disproven in the Olympics, which David has said multiple times is not the NBA so we should ignore it), it takes away something totally unique to Lebron’s game that is alien to Kobe’s game, the sole reason there is an ARGUEMENT for why Lebron is the better player. And 75% of the people who have commented here agree with me. Still, myles has to single out me. S’cool, though, it’s cool.

  • http://slamonline.com Holly MacKenzie

    David, I’m not commenting on this Kobe/Bron stuff because I think it’s pointless, but I did want to say I enjoy your 20 Second Timeout blog very much. I also appreciate all of the responses you’ve been giving to comments. Good stuff!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    I emailed John to ask if this was in fact the site he came across. Response:
    “I am sure it’s been mature, but I don’t read the comments! I want to keep my faith in humanity…”
    Look at me name-dropping again.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Now, now Bodie, no reason to downtalk your boy for sh*ts and giggles. Just keep it salty between us.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    WHOA BODIE… whoa… I…

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Jones – While it seems likely that the age of consent in the backwoods of PA is probably around 14, you might want to explain that these are freshmen in college that are getting you worked up. Or perhaps it was the construction workers that caught your eye – who knows. Also, is “orientated” a word?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Jukai says:

    Of course his ball-handling and footwork are better.

    I don’t think that is a 100% accurate.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Bodie:
    1, I assume all the regulars around here know I work at a university.
    2, According to Microsoft Word spellcheck it is. That’s enough for me!

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Elaborate, Eboy.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    If you join in this discussion Eboy, Myles wont single me out again and then he wont post and everyone will be happy!

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Oh, I remembered what I was going to say: I think Chris Paul is better than both of them. Mull it over.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Lest we forget that Lebron is roughly the same size and weight as Karl Malone, who was not ever, never ever a perimiter player. Meaning Brons handle and footwork for what amounts to be a prototype power forward body is off the charts ridiculous.

  • Alaska

    Jukai: I gotta get back to work hold this thing down.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Right, but taking away that, which is irrelevant, who has better footwork and ball-handling?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    You’re wrong Jukai. Myles hates me equally, he’s just focused on you this afternoon. He’ll call me a stupid “loyer” or a “lawry” in a minute or two.

  • mookie

    And over 75% of the players in the nba would agree with David… and some hof’ers (larry bird) would too.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    “That’s what I love about these college girls, man. I get older and they stay the same age.”

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Alaska: Farmer Jones is here, meaning everything I write is susceptible to a snarky comment. And I can’t have that happen to me. I’m viewed too highly here for that.

  • Alaska

    Eboy: Great point, The man is 6″8 260 and has the skill set of a point guard.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    That movie’s on cable a lot. I may have to watch it again soon.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    In my eyes, at their respective positions, they are equal. Kobe with an edge in post footwork and Lebron in ball handling and the ability to get to the rim at will because of it and his strength.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Q: “Right, but taking away that, which is irrelevant, who has better footwork and ball-handling?”
    A: Chris Paul, of course.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Jukai – If Kobe is such a horrible decision, then how the f-ck did he lead the league in assists from the 2-guard spot, with the likes of Kwame and Smush in his starting line-up?

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Jones: Chris Paul should have won MVP. There, I said it. I was wrong. Are you happy now?

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Insert maker after decision.

  • Alaska

    Appreciate it
    Last word:
    Kobe is like Clinton
    Lebron is like Obama

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Bodie: You answered your on question. Smush was the point guard. Who the hell else was going to do it? Also, I should specify since sometimes when I’m arguing one side, I downplay the other: Kobe is a FANTASTIC PASSER. When he sees the open man, he can get the ball to that open man, no question. What I argue is that Kobe does not have the court awareness that Lebron has, and when the offense stops, and Kobe’s game isn’t on, he can’t do anything to get his team involved. He can’t see the person who is open for a split second, he can’t create for Sasha if Sasha isn’t opened. Y’know?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Kobe’s drive game is kind of on the “pick and choose” channel for the last year or so, because of his reliance on his jumper. Look at the Olympic games as the most recent example and the Celtics series as the ultimate tell tale sign. Kobe is not really a slasher as he was when he was 23-24. Age shouldn’t be an issue either. He’s only 30. Mike did the same thing in his career, but not until his comeback from the minor leagues.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    ATLiens just came up on iTunes. Two Dope Boys in a Cadillac. We should get them to reshoot the video for this with LeBron and Kobe driving around in an El Dorado. Whoever comes out alive, wins.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Sh-t, JJ Reddick has better footwork than all of them. Lot of good it does him.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Sigh. You two are so persecuted. Once again for the record, I dont know either of you and probably never will, so I certainly dont harbor any genuine hate towards you two more than anyone else. What I do hate is the manner in which people behave as though disproving a SLAM writer or stinging them with one liners is going to earn them some sort of e-props that are worth anything. Contrary to popular belief, I have no problem with dissenting opinions, what I do have a problem with is disrespectful and unnecessary behavior. People provide free content here everyday and it frustrates me to see it turned into some kind of play/proving ground. Its weak. So disagree with whoever you want, as often as you want. But when the whole “Ill laugh in your face” or “You dont know what youre talking about” behavior comes out, then thats when I do. And I dont see why bringing attention to it is my living on a pedestal. David, Im sorry for having to have this convo in your post, but well…yeah.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    Bodie: also, raping a women wasn’t a wise decision now was it.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Jukai, that’s one thing I do disagree with you on. Kobe is a good passer and does have good court vision. Yes, Bodie is coreect that Kobe was passing to Kwame and Smush for a short time, but to make it seem like Lebron is looking for John Paxson and Craig Hadges is kind of odd.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    And Jones, havent you been listening to that sh*t all day?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Myles is a stupid doody head.

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    It’s been longer than that, Eboy. Kobe has been losing a step for about 3-4 years now, and the energy he expended in the first 3 A.S. years (2004-2005, 2005-2006, 2006-2007) have certainly taken their toll. I am hoping he has enough left in the tank if and when Bynum gets healthy.

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    Ya mama.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Myles, my joke was in jest. Don’t take it personally…. well you can for Jukai. :) I also don’t think I said “I’d laugh in your face” or the other one so maybe I should leave you alone now. Sorry.

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    It was Aquemi before, doody head. My sh*t is arranged alphabetically by albums, so:
    “Amorica,” Black Crowes
    “Appetite for Destruction,” GNR
    “Aquemini,” Outkast
    “Around the Fur,” Deftones
    “AOI: Mosaic Thump,” De La Soul (Full disclosure: I FF’d thru most of this)
    “ATLiens,” Outkast
    My work day will probably end somewhere in the middle of “Attack & Release” by the Black Keys. Happy Friday.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    @Eboy: when’s the last time you have seen Kobe create for a player?
    @”I think I’ll go eat on the veranda…since you’re obviously already on the cross”

  • http://myspace.com/bodiebarnett jbn74sb

    Is Craig Hadges in Bon Jovi?

  • http://www.slamonline.com Ryan Jones

    Typing that out, I’d forgotten just how awesome my taste in music is.

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