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Saturday, September 6th, 2008 at 8:00 am  |  118 responses

SLAMonline Top 50: David West, no. 44

The definitive ranking of the best players in the NBA today…

by Khalid Salaam

It’s monumentally hard, but a good player can still exist beneath the glow of today’s hyperactive, 24/7, if I don’t get the scoop first I might just make it up media coverage. David West is not a star, even though most people who watch basketball know his name.

At Xavier (OH) University he was a First-Team All-American in 2003 and named by the Associated Press as the National Player of The Year. Because Xavier plays in the underappreciated Atlantic 10, people shrugged their shoulders at him and his accomplishments. In ’03 Xavier finished in the Top 10 and earned a no. 3 seed in that year’s March Madness tourney. He wasn’t drafted high (although 18th is certainly respectable), but according to “experts” (I’m making a point here with the quotation marks by the way. Point being in this business you have a lot of writers who consider themselves experts on basketball but in actuality struggle to grasp the nuances of the game and players motivations for anything nevermind playing in ball. Sorry to tell you this but it’s true), West should have been picked lower than no. 18.

Drafts are built on potential and jaw-dropping obvious ability. West doesn’t look the way the scouts want power forwards to look. He’s not cut up or super aggressive, though he can be at times. Dude plays power forward, but isn’t exactly the prototype. He’s listed at 6’9”, 240 but is surely smaller (I don’t care about that by the way, just making the point). And yeah physical attributes matter but so do desire and intelligence. Early on though, he made the scouts look smart for passing him up.

He never showed he would be a starter or an All-Star – as his appearance in last year’s All-Star Game affirms. In his rookie season he only averaged 3.8 points a game and only slightly bettered that the next season with 6.2. He basically was invisible. Additionally he never had any baby mama drama, never was accused of burning a chick, hasn’t caught a gun charge or done anything “typical” for the tabloids to eat up. He was easy to miss and was on the road to bustville. Then the lights came on suddenly with numbers of 17 and 7, as he narrowly lost the Most Improved Player Award to Boris Diaw in the 05-06 season. Still, nobody acknowledged him until he made his first All-Star Game last year by showing off not only a nice mid-range jumper but also post moves and a knack for scoring. By knack I mean, he seems to score by using positioning, timing, quickness and accuracy. He can’t jump over defenders or put a shoulder in a guy’s chest and blow him off the box. He’s not an overly athletic dude but doesn’t let that impede his progress. Besides, with a guy like Tyson Chandler on the roster (a true freak athletic wonder) West’s lack of athleticism doesn’t hurt him at all.

Look, I’ll be the first to admit that playing alongside all-world point guard Chris Paul (I can say all-world now after Beijing) supremely improves his game. CP took West and that entire team to another level. But, as he showed in the second half of the season and in the playoffs, DWest can make plays for himself and is a very vital cog in what challenges to be a elite team for the immediate future. Is he a top-tier forward? At this point I would say no, but he’s chilling on that second-tier no doubt, and I expect to see him in more All-Star games. He also gets point from me for not just pulling up Dirk’s Nowitzki’s skirt in last year’s Dallas and New Orleans first round playoff match-up but for taking it off. It happened after Dirk tried to physically impose upon him and West walked over to Mr. Wurzburg and tapped him on the face like he was a boy. Completely emasculating Dirk and rendering him a non-factor in the eyes of anyone who values courage, strength and honor. Truth be told if somehow we found out that Dirk now takes a wiz sitting down I wouldn’t be surprised. (Inspired by West, I tried tapping my girlfriend on the face and talking slick to her as well, but unlike Dirk she actually fought back. Suffice it to say I don’t do that anymore).

You can surely make a case for West having a higher place on this list but I feel his name is still so unknown that even basketball writers underestimate him. But now that the Hornets are on the upsurge his name, face and game will start to resonate lot more.

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  • will

    first!!

  • ace

    first

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    good choice. and as his career progresses, he will slowly creep up this list.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    but i think he belongs more in the thirties . . .

  • http://joebasketball.blogspot.com j rich

    New Orleans are gonna be dangerous this year, a big part of it due to David West. 44 is a bit low, espescially considering some of the players that will most likely be ranked above him.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    The first all-star to appear on the list…. thanks Khalid. I like your personal insights especially.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    I first became aware of West in 2006 or so( didnt follow the college game back when he was playing) when he started hitting those buzzer beaters for N.O and putting up bigger numbers, his game really blossomed with CP but I think that he would have developed quite well even without Paul, not as an all-star calibre player but a reliable and above average forward. Chandler on the other hand…. well he was nice for the bulls but he really improved with Paul-just amazing the difference the quality of point guard makes to a big mans production.

  • Young Chris MP3

    So I’m expecting Tyson Chandler to be 42 or 40 then.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Are you actually YCMP3? If thats a joke its in poor taste. Chandler just isn’t that good. Certainly not as important to the success of the Hornets as West is.

  • Lucas

    So, I’m not expecting Tyson Chandler to make the list because there is no way he is more valuable to New Orleans then David West.

  • scott

    I’m interested to see who is going to be in the top forty of this list. Most of these guys (except for Prince) should be much higher on this list.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Im waiting for Ron Artest to pop up around 27-30. Tmac somewhere in the mid to late teens and mid twenties around 14-26 I think and Yao in the top 10. As much as the rockets have been doing good without him its obvious in the playoffs thats where his true importance lies and the rockets post season success as well.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Think 44 is about right for West. Nice read Khalid, although I find that “You can surely make a case for West having a higher place on this list but I feel his name is still so unknown that even basketball writers underestimate him.” is a bad argument. West’s fame among BBall writers shouldn’t have anything to do with where you rank him. On the Chandler-West discussion, I find that they are equally important for the Hornets and about on the same level as players. West is that reliable second option. Whereas Chandler patrols the paint. Without each other both players deficiencies would be much more obvious imo.

  • scott

    Of the players on this list so far Josh Smith is the best by far. Who wouldn’t pick Smith first if they were starting a team from scratch?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Ryne Nelson says:
    @TAD: This was the criteria, more or less…
    * 50 best players in the NBA today, right now
    * Guys who provide the most value to their teams
    * Completely, utterly your opinion

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    BEST is the key word here. Chandler is not one of them. Never has been. Probably never will unless he learns how to shoot a jumpshot.

  • scott

    Just my opinion Hursty but Smith is just so talented that you gotta take a chance with him. You know what you are getting out of Prince or West but Smith is still just 22.

  • B. Long

    I would’ve rather had David West on the Olympic squad then Carlos Bozzer. I realize he just blew up the past couple of season and the team required a three year comittment but I’m just being picky.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    I can’t argue with this one

  • a_whiteman

    love david west his style efficient and effective, without him scoring the hornets wouldnt be at there spot. But, dirk still ripped him in that series despite the slap

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Boozer never blew up prior to the last two seasons either. The cavs were just dog-awful. Nah I agree with you Scott but it’d still be a nice starting 5 though. The only other guy I would consider starting a franchise with is Monta Ellis then Martin. But Smith first off.

  • a_whiteman

    so this means no tyson on the list?

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Boozer is so overrated. I would pick West over him any day.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    @ a-whiteman: fu*k no.
    @Lz- Boozer is a jerk. Fu(king Judas….
    Boozer makes my top 5 most hated list in the NBA. Obviously.

  • http://www.hornetshype.com ticktock6

    As someone who watched every Hornets game last season, I think it’s correct that everyone’s improved by playing with Chris Paul. But it’s also correct that, unlike Chandler, West has the ability to create his own offense and doesn’t rely on just getting the ball dumped to him down low by CP.

    Chandler is one of my fave guys on the team, a monster defender who leaves a huge hole when he’s not on the floor, but West is more important to the Hornets in my opinion. He also is dangerous from multiple spots on the floor as opposed to TC’s one. The reason he gets so little cred, IMO, is he’s quiet about it. He’ll have a flashy dunk once in a while. But a lot of times I don’t even notice he’s got 28 points and then I look at the stats and think, “Really? When?” And he’s consistent. I’d like to see the stat on the number of times he’s scored the first six points of the game for the Hornets. He’s the #2 guy.

    (As offensive options, it’s 1- CP, 2- West, 3- Peja, 4- Tyson, but as overall players you have to flip Tyson and Peja.)

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Good stuff TT6. Doesnt help that Chandler cant hit a jumpshot to save himself. And he cant pass out of the double team ( although it rarely comes) with under 1 assist as a career average. West is waay more valuable.

  • WOOOZE

    I would rank Ty Chandler above Marcus Camby.
    Ty might pop up between 43-40, but after the 40s you can be pretty sure he won’t make the list.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    For all his athleticism though Chandler averages only 1.4 blocks for his career and just 1.1 this season so I dunno what that says about his actual defense. Ideas? anyways, Im out. Have a good one fellas.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Hursty; Agree Boozer is All-World Jerk no doubt about it. On another note, I’m watching the Danish BBall national team getting their asses handed to them by Austria.. Austria – man we suck at BBall.. Seems like the whole team have attended Dwight Howard’s free throw clinic..

  • WOOOZE

    Hursty, Ty’s a monster defender. He’s a team orientated defender, and he doesn’t just go out there to make flashy defensive plays and get weak side blocks.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Just curious – Would anyone rate Chandler *above* West?

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Ryne; Different strengths, I would rate them on the same level. But certainly not above.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    @Lz: Personally (and this is just me), I wouldn’t put Chandler above West. Chandler’s great an all, but he only does two things well: dunk and rebound. DWest has a little bit of everything in his game; a much more polished player.

  • Jeter

    Too plain yet too effective

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Ryne; I totally agree. West has far more tools on O. Still Chandler brings a lot to the team, with his presence on D. Also it’s easier to get a scoring forward, whereas a rebounding/D beast like Tyson is harder to come by. Think about it this way, the Hornets will probably have a tougher time replacing Tyson than West in case of injury. Really I don’t know which one of the two I would pick if I was going to war. Therefore I would rate them evenly.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    I guess my point is: In terms of skill West is certainly better, but skill alone doesn’t make the player. And as players they are neck and neck.

  • http://slamonline.com/ Ryne Nelson

    Lz, I think Khalid does a great job of reinforcing your last point. It’s almost overwhelming when you consider all the ways a player can provide value to a team.

  • overtime

    In terms of skill and effectiveness, and value to his team, he probably is higher up the list, but in terms of ‘stardom’ and ‘reputation’ this prob this is right, but he will creep up due to both if the Hornets remain intact

  • scott

    West is way ahead of Chandler. Chandler gets most of his points off of CP3. I’m not saying that playing with Paul doesn’t help West but West has way more offensive skill then Chandler.

  • foilfence

    @Hursty

    here’s a post at hornets247 about chandler “only” averaging 1 bpg and therefore being a bad defender.

    http://www.hornets247.com/post.php?id=247274

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIYC1gLSSq0 Luke M

    d-west is a rock solid player. he put on a lot of muscle in the last 2 years, now he holds his own down low no problems, and can get by bigger forwards off the step.
    he complements the team perfectly, it’s sick how well the Hornets are put together

  • B. Long

    Something that wasn’t really covered in the artical is that David also isn’t afraid to take a big shot at the end of games. I know I saw him hit at least 3 game winners last year. That’s pretty rare for a forward.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    David West SHOULD really be higher on this list. He is fearless, classy, and plays without care for flash and media attention (a good thing that many players lack). He’s a great team player and he has one of the most finesse, smooth post moves out of almost all the power forwards in the league. He’s also getting really strong and ALWAYS improving. Dude is underrated, no doubt. I expect to see him blow up this list in the next few years, mos def.

  • Mo

    Khalid have you stood next to West to know he’s smaller than 6’9″, 240? Are you bigger than West?

  • Mo

    Good post ticktock. I’ve watched every Hornets game last season as well and you hit the nail on the head. Especially about West being quiet about it.

  • Kamran

    to low for west he should be top 30

  • John D

    Dirk didn’t try to “physically impose upon him.” You just have some weird hatred for Dirk.

  • http://www.rcsd.ms DP

    I would put david in this range as well because he is just starting to play at an all-star level. He should be able to keep it up with CP running the show. I just wonder would we be talking about him in the top 50 at all if it wasn’t for CP3?

  • http://www.rcsd.ms DP

    no one has “weird” hatred for Dirk. If he’s a P*$$y then he’s a P*$$y. soft as eggs.

  • Mo

    I’m guessing Chandler must not be making this Top 50 list at all then because even though I consider Chandler a Top 50 player, he’s not a better player than West.

  • http://www.lifehoopsthoughts.blogspot.com the baconator

    @DP: Although CP3 had a big part, I bet he would’ve been on this list regardless. There’s only so much a point guard can do for his team; the rest has to be the player himself. I think D-West should’ve been higher though, cuz although he’s relatively unknown, the skill’s still there

  • http://www.rcsd.ms DP

    agreed baconator. In the playoffs last year David showed off when CP3 wasn’t bringing in it in some games. I just don’t think the all-star game is his type of game and that’s why he didn’t do much. He is really a smart, skilled player with little flash. That is a good thing because you know he is going to work and get you points the ole fashion way. 3 the hard way.

  • http://www.lifehoopsthoughts.blogspot.com the baconator

    That’s what I love about West, DP. He’s not flashy, just a solid player who does the right thing at the right time. His game’s built on fundamentals, which is exactly what every team needs. Well put

  • namik

    It amuses me to see CP given credit for David West and him becoming an All-Star. In fact i believe “he MADE David West an All-Star” was a primary argument in favor of his MVP candidacy. But everytime I watched him play, especially in the playoffs, I saw DWest get the ball in the post and absolutely rip his defender apart with his jumper or strong moves to the basket. CP MAKES Tyson C with his well timed oops and passes. Without Paul, Chandler wouldn;t be half as effective offensively as he is now. David West gets the ball and creates for himself. Sure having a super-pg helps. Obviously. But Chris Paul didn’t make David West an All-Star. Dirk and Timmy would agree.

  • http://nbaukfan.blogspot.com/ mat smith

    yeah, he definately reminds me of a young timmy, which can only be a good thing, more selfless players letting their game speak for itself please

  • http://www.lkz.ch/basket Darksaber

    “Taking off Dirk’s skirt” eh, Khalid? And that gets him points in your book? That was a punk move by a player who did not need to retaliate. And no call was made. I’d rather he would have thrown a forearm or semi punch like most of the multimillion dollar players do nowadays when they wanna fake being aggravated. (i see you Melo). At least Dirk Werner wasn’t dumb enough to openly retaliate like he did. May the curse of Billy King continue to haunt you…. Apart from that, good player, great offensive skill set, love the jumper. and if we are on that level of rating, i LOVE Horry for smashing the hurt spine to incapacitate him. Bowen must have taught him that. Payback’s a biatch, right David?

  • http://www.lkz.ch/basket Darksaber

    DP: don’t start with the unrealistic Dirk hate ok? “soft as eggs” does not get a high ankle sprain and return 16 days later (although the estimate was him being out for a month) in time to solidify his teams playoff position. “Soft as eggs” Does not man up and battle the best frontcourt players in the sport on any given night, although he’s labeled to be a subpar defender, and still hold his own. Soft as eggs, does not play every summer tournament since 2004 for his country, being the focus of EVERY opposing team’s defensive “strategy” (basically hacking, triping, hitting and whatnot) and still come through (as the only viable offensive option, mind you sir) 9 out of 10 times. He might not be able to carry the load every night (yeah, as if Kobe was in the finals) but he is a bonafide PLAYER. You guys can punk him for all you need irks most Americans who see him play (guessing him being european and still dominating like no other foreigner since Akeem kinda hurts hmm?), but HE…IS…NOT…SOFT.

  • http://www.lkz.ch/basket Darksaber

    “courage, strength and honor”… Wow Khalid, so in your eyes Dirk needed to haul out and duke it out with Davey boy to be courageous, full of honor and very strong? Sure, being suspended for 2, 3 games woulda been very courageous of him. What a weak line.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    ahhh… that Horry back pick. good memories.
    seriously though, he’s like a lesser version of the Big Fundamental (whom i’m a big fan of), as witness by that dunk/block sequence on duncan in last year’s playoff. he’s the quiet assassin type. he doesn’t have the all-star look but he certainly has all-star game. (i’d still say he got picked last year coz the game was in N.O., just like sean elliot was an all-star when the game was in S.A.)

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ scott: Dude, Prince should be higher too kid.

  • http://www.rcsd.ms DP

    darksaber, calm down. dirk is a good “soft” player. it’s not that serious.

  • http://idunkonthem.blogspot.com/ albie1kenobi

    melo’s career took a terrible change of direction because of that weak-ass slapped on collins (he got suspended for 30 games and AI got traded to denver mostly coz of that), so it would have been a good idea for dirk to slap david west back? right. sometimes i wonder if some of you guys have any logical sense. i suppose hate doesn’t require logic.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    And let this be clear: David West in his prime > Dirk in his prime.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ albi: I’m pretty sure his suspension was for 15 games, not 30. And I’m not quite sure if Melo has reached his real prime yet. He’s still young.

  • http://www.rcsd.ms DP

    I’m saying stand up for your damn self and not look like a complete idiot. No one said hit David west till he begged for mercy…just stand up for yourself. maybe I was watching a different game but I didn’t see Dirk do anything. not even say, hey man watch your hands dude. nothing. no hate for dirk. I love watching him play the game. He just didn’t have any courage. period. yeah like you can get suspended for standing up for yourself. bullsh*t.

  • http://www.rcsd.ms DP

    That wasn’t a weak line by khalid, saber. The man was just saying that Dirk should have stood up for himself and not take that backseat like he has done for the past couple of years. You could say he is the leader of the team and he needs to set an example for the rest of his teammates but them watching him punk out like that doesn’t make them feel like they are being lead by one of the L’s top players. Who said he was going to have courage by fighting? He wouldn’t be suspended for 2 or 3 games by simply telling David get your hands out my damn face.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Good stuff Khalid. I love David West’s game and the Hornets are a legit 2 guard away from being perennial contenders.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i kinda think that i would put Chandler at number 44 and D-West at like 30 but good read by Khalid.

  • Bruno

    oh man, 44 is too low for him… but i won’t complain after all the “Dirk” part
    that was “a beauty”. loved. i’m still laughin here.
    i think west and the hornets are gonna be really tough to beat this season. they got rid of MoPete, didn’t they?

  • Bruno

    and after west being #44, i relly don’t want to see litte dirk between the best 30 players in the league.

  • Bruno

    tough man…. i’m trying to pick the top player of each team to start my tp50 league… and tough
    with david west#44, a lot of people has to be left off…
    and please, DON’T include rookies. the rule #1 should be, minimum 10 games or being Greg Oden.

  • Bruno

    *top playerS of each team

  • ciolkstar

    I’m not a big Dirk fan at all, but Khalid went overboard on this one. I dont respect West for disrespecting Dirk, speak with you game not some classes gesture. The Timmy comparison is a big stretch. The guy can score in multiple ways and has gotten physically stronger, but he doesn’t impact a game like Duncan. But he was unstoppable with the midrange J in the Spurs series. He could be higher on this list but its not an exact science.
    (and yes Horry putting that back pick on West was badass, that’s how you go at someone. Keep it within the context of the game)

  • http://www.lkz.ch/basket Darksaber

    Ok DP. calming down as we speak.

  • ciolkstar

    I’m not a big Dirk fan at all, but Khalid went overboard on this one. I dont respect West for disrespecting Dirk, speak with you game not some classless gesture. The Timmy comparison is a big stretch. The guy can score in multiple ways and has gotten physically stronger, but he doesn’t impact a game like Duncan. But he was unstoppable with the midrange J in the Spurs series. He could be higher on this list but its not an exact science.
    (and yes Horry putting that back pick on West was badass, that’s how you go at someone. Keep it within the context of the game)

  • http://www.lkz.ch/basket Darksaber

    @ciolk & albie: THANK YOU.

  • Caleb

    Blocks per game is not a good measure of a person’s defensive ability. It can give a hint of it, but that’s about it. Think about how many blocks a whole team generates in a game. 4-8? That’s not a whole lot… and thus, it’s not nearly as important as *contesting* and *altering* shots. It’s dramatic, and fun to watch.. but blocking is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to a big man’s defensive skill set. And let’s not forget that big men who do garner 2-4 blocks a game often garner 4-6 fouls to go along with those 2-4 blocks.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    I would take West over Dirk any day of the week. Sure Dirk got that 3 ball, but he is not clutch, and the ball needs to be kept AWAY from him in the later, more important part of any game

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Good stuff, K.

  • http://www.jumpstart33.com Coach Godwin
  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Um apart from the Finals and the last playoff series Dirk was pretty damn clutch. Even this year he had a few game winners one especially against Utah with the 3 for the win- not the tie.
    @ everyone who responded to Chandlers defense- thanks for your replies, but, like many people I didnt get to watch ANY Hornets games this year. I wasnt questioning his defensive ability, just asking what that meant for his defense as a whole. I just expected that for all his athletic abilities he would have more than one block a game.

  • http://www.another48minutes.blogspot.com Gerard Himself

    Godwin, do you have to mention that website at every post you make? Isn’t it linked to your name? Spam I say!

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Nice link foilfence. Enjoyed reading that.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Yeh no sh*t Gerard. ( I’m a bit of a hypercrit(sp?) as well though).

  • http://www.rcsd.ms DP

    Ya boy is back! everyone click on my name. my first post on hibachi 2.0 in over a damn month or so. bout time.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    DP why the he1l could anyone care about your HS? btw, your Varsity Hoops team is shooort.

  • http://www.rcsd.ms DP

    how do you know we are short? and just read the post. it came from the heart.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    I read it man. Just that your name is linked to the school, not ‘Bachi.

  • Banno

    C’mon slam, you just put an all-star from last season at 44!

  • Ross

    If DIrk was half the player West was they’d have a ring …

  • http://slamonline.com Matt Caputo

    Kha, you did a great job here, but there is no way David West is better than Marcus Camby.

  • dj ho

    hey can you guys include a list of the top 50 so far? i missed a couple of them and want to read the posts. Also, d-west deserves a much higher spot on your list…he was killing it in the playoffs until rob horry took him out

  • http://www.lkz.ch/basket Darksaber

    Guess big shot rob is not just a nickname describing his crunchtime abilities :-)

  • scott

    @dj ho
    50. Kevin Durant
    49. Kevin Martin
    48. Marcus Camby
    47. Josh Smith
    46. Monta Ellis
    45. Tayshaun Prince
    44. David West

  • jk_light

    Khalid,
    writing about David West and still hating on Dirk in about a third of the write-up???
    Did Dirk get together one too many times with your girl or what?
    Your hate on this man is beyond ridicolous. I see some reasons why one would say, Dirk is soft, not clutch, not a Superstar, etc. But I saw him more than enough to know he is not.
    If Dirk would be as tough as the Oaktree, Clutch as Larry Legend and could defend like KG than we would talk about the second greatest player ever (MJ still first).
    Some could write about David West being a great Ball Player without personal hate getting in their way.
    Slam is so great, but why is this guy called Khalid on your payroll???

  • Bruno

    guys… any of you tried to make a list?
    is shaq included?!?!?!

    just askin cause i finished mine and saw her name left off… it was kinda of weird but, truth.

  • scott

    @bruno…Shaq wouldn’t be in the top 75.

  • Holiday

    Wow, I just seen the list and Deron Williams isn’t on it! That is the most rediculous thing ever I mean Tony Parker is on there, seriously Deron was unbeliveable No Love for Utah I guess, oh and everybody picks CP3 over him and it’s a decent argument but in case you didn’t notice Deron Destroys him in head to head match ups it’s not even close but he dosen’t make the top 50??????

  • Big Ups

    great pick..West just turned 28 so he has time to be even better than he is now..don’t know what’s up with all the “Dirk hate”..I’m a big fan of both West and Dirk (even though I agree with most that he’s soft) I loved the face tap West gave him in the playoffs..for those who are clueless as to why he did it, it was because Dirk threw an elbow that almost caught West in the face after the whistle blew so ppl who are upset about what he did need to get a f*ckin clue..i’m pretty sure if you had a 7-0 260 lb guy throwin an elbow at your face your reaction may have been worse than a face tap..where can i find the articles on the rest of the ppl on the list?

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Ahaha Khalid is gon’ be pissed somethin’ terrible with that one, jk_light. Take it easy, son.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Anyways, its going to be hard finding 43 players better than both David West and Tayshaun Prince…

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ Hursty: Chandler may not block as much as other good post defenders, but he’s definitely got the ability to play good, solid defense and disrupt a lot of shots. He’s got relatively quick feet for a big man too, allowing him to keep with his mark. That’s probably the reason why he’s labeled as a “good defender”.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Also @ Hursty: Cool it man lol, what’s Betrayal Skull Dude ever done to you?

  • Bruno

    c’mon. deron out of the top 50?
    who would believe that?
    anyway, @scott, i know, but, isn’t it a little bit weird when you saw him dominating for so long?
    i’m not even a shaq lover, one of those who calls him the biggest center of all time or anything like this, but, when you are making a list and you just passes his name by and and think, no, i would rather go now with Al Jefferson, Camby, whatever… it was just a weird click for me.
    david west was #37 on mine. with josh smith at#40.
    i thought i would rank Josh better, but i think i was influenced by the Slam ranking
    [:P]
    another question for whoever made a list too. who would you guys pick 1st from the pistons?

  • scott

    @bruno… Chauncey Billups should be the highest rated Piston. Billups is the most consistent player Detroit has and he makes his teammates better. Shaq is a shell of his former self but he is one of the greatest centers of all-time behind of course Chamberlain, Russell, Abdul-Jabbar and that is it O’Neal is number four.

  • scott

    @teddy-the-bear…Prince just doesn’t do anything for me. He is the fourth best player on his team. If he were the second or third best player on a team well that team wouldn’t be any good. Plus he is just too damn skinny. Look at his splits how they drop as the season wears on. He disappeared against Boston.

  • scott

    In my humble opinion here are 43 players better then Tayshaun Prince in no particular order
    1. Gilbert Arenas
    2. Carmelo Anthony
    3. Carlos Boozer
    4. Chris Bosh
    5. Elton Brand
    6. Kobe Bryant
    7. Chauncey Billups
    8. Caron Butler
    9. Marcus Camby
    10. Vince Carter
    11. Jose Calderon
    12. Baron Davis
    13. Tim Duncan
    14. Monta Ellis
    15. Kevin Garnett
    16. Danny Granger
    17. Rudy Gay
    18. Pau Gasol
    19. Manu Ginobili
    20. Dwight Howard
    21. Allen Iverson
    22. Andre Iquodala
    23. LeBron James
    24. Al Jefferson
    25. Joe Johnson
    26. Antawn Jamison
    27. Jason Kidd
    28. Rashard Lewis
    29. Shawn Marion
    30. Kevin Martin
    31. Tracy McGrady
    32. Steve Nash
    33. Dirk Nowitzki
    34. Chris Paul
    35. Paul Pierce
    36. Jason Richardson
    37. Amare Stoudemire
    38. Josh Smith
    39. Hedo Turkoglu
    40. Dwyane Wade
    41. Deron Williams
    42. David West
    43. Yao Ming
    the list goes on….

  • Bruno

    i agree. billups was always my favourite, i have his jersey and everything… but like,
    the pistons have been such a disappointing team…
    and it surprised me when i finished, or almost finished the list and chauncey is at #25. i think its too low.

  • Bruno

    i didn’t include grangerand hedo. calderon, rashard lewis and jason richardson are on hold.
    kidd is definitly out. i apologize to him, but have to left him out.
    i hope next season, i can include randy foye on my list… i like this kids game.

  • Bruno

    ok, i’ll start my list here
    #50 – DeShawn Stevenson…. hahahahahaha
    lol

    just kiddin… i’m out. see you guys tomorrow.

  • Holiday

    there are at least 5 guy’s that should have replaced other easily, like Gerald Wallace, Igudola, Josh Howard!!!!!!!

  • davidR

    if you missed any of the previous top 50, just click the features section. they’re all there

  • Holiday

    After closer review I see Josh Howard did make the list but still guy’s like Tony Parker, Adam Morrison, Barganini, Kirk Hinrich all decent players but these spots would have better use for all the players used in the “wish we had” list like Baron, Deron, Booz, Gordon, Etc!

  • Holiday

    After closer review I see Josh Howard did make the list but still guy’s like Tony Parker, Adam Morrison, Barganini, Kirk Hinrich all decent players but these spots would have better use for all the players used in the “wish we had” list like Baron, Deron, Booz, Gordon, Etc!

  • chintao

    First, I liked the West pick (although I personally might put him even higher). Whatever it takes for the Hornets to win on any given night, West will bring. He adjusts his game as required, and that’s a beautiful thing to watch. Also, I loved the random buckshot fired in the direction of the Wizard of Wurzburg. Dirk’s game is aiight, but I don’t think he has what it takes to lead a team to the promised land. He’d be a fantastic second option, though.

  • will

    are you guys going to put up the full list when your done?

  • Alyssa

    The Internet has given way too many cowards the courage to write things they never would say to someone in person because they can do it anonymously and without worrying about confrontation. That is why it is no surprise to me that the only types that diss on Dirk openly are you media people, you’re the ones that dont have to play him every night, and watch him drop 30 on your out of shape ass. Tell me, when have you heard an NBA PLAYER call Dirk “soft”. You havent, have you. And you wont.
    You Khalid are a class-less coward.

  • CL SMOOTH

    He’s better than Jermaine O’neal and Boozer.

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