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Monday, September 22nd, 2008 at 8:00 am  |  198 responses

SLAMonline Top 50: Pau Gasol, no. 31

The definitive ranking of the best players in the NBA today…

by Marcel Mutoni

I like having Pau Gasol on my team. Really, what’s not to like?

Dude scores at an All-Star level, is one of the League’s better big men, a guy with a feathery soft touch, he can find the open man with ease, rebounds well, he’s been reasonably durable over the course of his career, and has something of a preternatural feel for the game.

(OK, so he doesn’t play a whole lot of defense – more on that in a bit – but overall, he’s a damn fine hoops player.)

So, why don’t I love him?

Well, the defense (or lack thereof) is certainly a part of it. In the NBA Finals this past June, as the series wore on, the Lakers’ paint – that sacred area of the floor that must be protected at all costs – was invaded with impunity by the Celtics time and again.

Boston pushed Gasol and the rest of the Laker bigs around, grabbing boards, scoring in bunches, and generally just had a grand ol’ time down in the trenches. It was demoralizing.

Still, there’s something else there; something other than just a lackadaisical approach to defense. Pau Gasol strikes me as the type of athlete who’s blessed with a ton of skill, but lacks that special DNA ingredient that separates the very good players from the immortals. An edge if you will.

Part of being a great NBA player, a rather large part actually, is the inner (and outer) belief that you are the baddest motherf*cker on the floor. Swag, confidence, cockiness, arrogance. It may not win you too many sportsmanship awards, but it’s absolutely necessary if you plan on separating yourself from the pack.

Gasol, I’m afraid, does not have nearly enough of this. Which, luckily for him, isn’t a very big problem in Los Angeles. After all, he plays with a guy who has an overabundance of those missing qualities.

Even better for Pau, lord willing – picture me on my knees here, desperately praying to the hoop gods – Andrew Bynum should be back with a vengeance next season. And Young Andrew has an edge alright.

(You remember the little incident with Shaq from a couple years back, right? Only someone with a supreme self-belief would’ve had the gusto to go back at O’Neal like that, in front of national television audience no less. Well, that, or a crazy person.)

In many ways, Pau Gasol landed in the perfect spot after he was rescued from the basketball hell-hole that is otherwise known as Memphis last year.

Yes, Pau’s very good, but he may not have the necessary makeup to serve as the type of sidekick Kobe needs to hoist a championship trophy again.

Health permitting (knock on wood!), Bynum will allow Gasol to continue being the multi-talented basketball player that he very much is, while supplying the Lakers with the bad-assness they desperately need down low. Not a bad deal, huh?

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  • einstein

    He’s top 30… ah, first?

  • Edmond

    1st. Pau sucked at the finals. Hope he gets bigger but better!

  • trunks

    first bitchez…

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Meh.

  • http://www.slamonline.com James The Balla

    hahaha trinkz … o and Pau is my boy and all but it was a sad showing last year as the playoffs got deeper!

  • Spanoulis

    Low ranking for Gasol ,one of the top-10 big men in the world for the last 5 years.Imagine if he had’t school Dwight and Bosh (along with his brother Marc in the Final)…he would have been propably out of the top-50!!

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Let the b*tching begin.

  • andrew

    Nothing to do with Pau (pow!) at all, but I freaking love watching that bynum v shaq clip. Awesome.

  • catalonian

    Ridiculous rank, Pau is a top 15, and a top 5 between big men.

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    ok shia, he is sh*t

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    whats happening on west coast andrew?

  • http://www.friendster.com/sesa Sesa

    Well, he’s fit for triangle offense. That’s for sure. If only Phil would play Turiaf alongside Gasol, last season…

  • http://www.friendster.com/sesa Sesa

    If Gasol is/was still in Memphis, he won’t make this list

  • scott

    This is the right spot for Gasol. Gasol is what 27 or 28 years old so he is just entering his prime. As a bonus Gasol is one of the best low post scores in the NBA.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Yes he would Sesa. And he would have been higher.

  • Tom

    You nailed it Mutoni……..I still can’t imagine there being enough space in the paint for Bynum, Gasol, and Odom to be on at the same time, and that would also leave the bench ridiculously thin…. Gasol would actually be great with the second unit.

  • Clockwork

    Gasol had swagger when he was a rookie, but somehow lost it.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Gasol is more of a short range/high post type of player. He has spins and hooks but he’s better being able to create off the step, not off the block, even if that is successful for him. He can face up and pass to the cutters in the triangle, but its easier for a player to do that higher scott. So yes, he can score on the low block, but he’s a better overall player when he takes a step outside the key.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Gasol is too good to come off the bench. Sure he’s not very tough or very good defenseively but he does rebound the ball and the Lakers need all the rebounds and ball movement they can get.

  • scott

    @hursty good point but Gasol is one of the few players in the League that demands a double team on the low block.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Thats because Memphis sucked @ss in 01 clockwork. Also Shane Battier was on that team, same as Pau, as a rookie and averaged his career high of around 15. Those two brought that franchise from the dregs of NBA basketball, and once they left, it returned to that same state.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Ok Scott. Thats nice. But if I were to go through every player who demands a double in the post when guarded by an ‘average’ player I could get over a dozen without thinking very hard.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    This can only mean The Machine makes the top 20.

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    or chris mihm

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    How about Darko? Derek Fisher played ok in the Finals. Quentin Richardson?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    I’m not in the state of mind to comment but gasol is purpleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee pick……………hahahaha.

  • andrew

    money – west coast? I’m in melbourne… or near as makes no difference… watching the brownlow count…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    That white shooting guard for the Bobcats! Matt Carroll!

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    sorry bro i thought for some reason you were perth based- my bad. Did it go to bartel or ablet?

  • andrew

    not finished yet… simon black from brisbane looks like taking it out… although ablett’s coming home with a wet sail.. bartel’s got very few votes, selwood and corey took em all…

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    HA! Brownlows are a joke. Only good thing was when Chris Judd’s wife wore that dress and ever since, its been a skin show for the ladies. Besides, everyone knows Geelong will win the BM. Boston Legal is the sh*t. Best 10:30 show ever.

  • http://www.myspace.com/2536545 Bryan

    Chris mihm only makes the list if were talking about top ten greatest players of all time.

  • andrew

    Husrty – I’ve always been a fan of that show, but the cats are looking shaky… bartel got 37 touches in rd 21 and didn’t get a vote… it may well be Black’s medal.. again…

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    This ranking can be summed up in 4 simple words, “Suck it, pork chop!”

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    i was just on ninemsn and saw judds missus, i wouldn’t mind poking her mantlepiece

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Good spot for Pau, good write up Marcel. Pau is soft, but apart from that he is one fine basketball player and definitely better than Rasheed.

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    Spanish Pig Vomit!

  • andrew

    it’s between cooney and richo and black now..

  • andrew

    cooney

  • andrew

    the cats were robbed… anyways, Pau is great, for a racist.

  • Lz – Cphfinest3

    Wow, the Aussies are talking bad television jibberish again. C’mon guys there must be another place for discussing Judds mantelpiece.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Careful Andrew. Who got the BM in the end? who is cooney anyways? what team?

  • Myung

    The last photo of Gasol I saw, his eyes were a little more slanted.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Lz- its his MISSES mantelpiece. C’mon now.

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    LZ, look her up, Rebeca Twigley, and you would jump right in there too!

  • andrew

    Midfielder for Western Bulldogs… i had him in my fantasy football team, but wouldn’t have put my money on him. Surprise winner. Just thought I’d say Pau was racist for no particular reason. The guy doesn’t actually inspire any opinion from me at all.

  • scott

    ?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Fair enough andrew. and btw, to everyone else suck it up that we dont particularly care about Pau right now. We dont moan and groan about the NFL or MLB and actually take some small part in discussions (Sav Rocker, the punter eh?). Lz- I know your EURP though so its ok.

  • andrew

    I’ve always wanted to properly hi-jack a thread on this, thanks to all my aussies.

  • scott

    Everybody doesn’t care about the NFL or MLB? What is going on?

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Hursty, the only MLB talk that went on here was from Sam and his Mets love. NFL talk is also minimal, except for occassional Khalid/Eagles and Giants/Ben comments. You should know that.

  • andrew

    Baseball is cricket on valium.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    True that to the 9:10-9:14 comments.

  • andrew

    Eboy – it’s australian rules football’s night of nights (or something). Give me my moment in the spotlight.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    andrew-it’s cool with me, you will probably get roasted once the Laker fans wake up and come through.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Well, we are 17(!) hours ahead of LA in Sydney so we dont really care in SYD Eboy :) Typical sluggish USA. J/K

  • scott

    There are LA Laker fans?

  • http://www.mybleedingfingertips.blogspot.com/ Myles Brown

    ….

  • andrew

    Scott – they generally hang out on 3rd street promenade in Santa Monica, pushing trolleys full of stale bread rolls and wearing four different rain proof ponchos.

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    yes but are there Pau fans now?

  • scott

    Thanks for clearing that up Andrew.

  • andrew

    I’m here to help, scott.

  • B. Long

    Pau’s facial hair is gonna be #29.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Then Drews uh, hair is at no.1 B

  • namik

    I shudder when I think that the Laker’s hopes rest on the knee of Andrew Bynum. Or atleast thats what most Laker fans believe. Because it does not. Andrew Bynum might provide some defense for about 20 minutes a night but he is not going to have the type of impact that Pau did last year. And that is what we need just to get to the Finals again. Winning it all is a totally different story. A point guard who can keep up with Rondo, Parker, Nash, Billups etc. would be a good start though.

  • LISTEN LISTEN

    I DONT AGREE WITH THIS AT ALL!!!
    HE IS EASILY TOP 25… EASILY

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    As a die hard lakers fan, i don’t think he’s that good, sometimes he depends on kobe too much…

  • http://slamonline.com Simone S.Y Lawy

    MUTONI’S ROCK …

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    I’ve found that Gasol has swagger and arrogance. He certainly shows it on the national team…However, I don’t think Pau has the toughness, the confidence and mental edge to compete with the greats. Ralph Wiley wrote this outstanding column during the last Lakers vs. Pistons finals where he started listing which players had it would it took to deal with the rarified air of the NBA Finals. He also wrote another column where he talked about the fact that Jermaine O’Neal would dominate against inferior comp, but disappear against good players…I see a lot of that in Pau. Against certain competition, he’s going to be unstoppable becuase those players will not challenge him to really reach his limits. When challenged to reach his limits, Pau shrinks from the moment. He doesn’t have the will to push through struggles on the biggest stage. He almost needs everything to go right for him in order for him to be effective.

  • B. Long

    Everthing Allenp just said is why we need Mountain Drew back in a big way. He’s got the goods to be THAT guy.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com Eboy

    Mountain Drew is one of the most ghey nicknames of the last 10 years.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    he played like a pu$$y in the finals.

  • http://its-mitch.blogspot.com/ Paps

    He’s pretty dam good for 31.

  • scott

    Why does Gasol look like he is crying in the above photo?

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    because big Gasols dont cry

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I think some of ya’ll get caught up in the fact that Gasol refuses to throw it down and chooses to do those eurodunks all the time. You know, when he puts the ball through the hoops with his fingertips grazing the cylinder. It does look soft and weak. But that doesn’t mean he has no edge. The real problem with Gasol as Allenp pointed, is that he makes his averages (like JO) on the weaker opponents. He looked unstoppable against Denver and just above average againt the Celtics. That all adds up to a pretty good player, no more, no less. To paraphrase Dennis Green, he is who we thought he was.

  • scott

    Is Rudy Gay in the top 30?

  • NBK

    Someone said Gasol was top 15 in the league, can you say stay off the crack pipe? Good spot for him slam

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    If Rudy gay hits the top 30, that is some bullsh*t.

  • NBK

    Rudy Gay should be higher than Iggy but Iggy should not be No. 32 so either way Slam flubbed

  • scott

    Gay is a future All-Star.

  • NBK

    this isn’t about the future

  • scott

    DP there only 30 spots left and there have been a lot of big names already on the list.

  • Brian

    No one holds the ball for an abnormally long time and waits for his defender to steal the ball from him than Pau. He’s awful.

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com DP

    Exactly Scott, future all-star. not right now.

  • King David

    pau is the truth

  • NBK

    u forgot the l and the pierce part

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    I disagree…

  • NBK

    what are the chances Marc ends up better than Pau? I don’t think they are too high but Marc has a bigger body and could end up really surprising a lot of people in the next couple years

  • NBK

    yes i just answered my own question

  • B. Long

    The Lakers will have three of their starters on the All-Star team this year. Bet on it.

  • scott

    I think Marc Gasol will be a great 12th man for the Memphis Grizzlies.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’ll take that bet.

  • scott

    The Lakers will have one All-Star.

  • NBK

    B. Long thats was dumb there is no chance in hell they have 3 players on the all-star team, there chances of having 2 are about just as high

  • tealish

    And there’s a chance that they’ll have none, what with the pinkie fiasco and all. But Laker fans are Laker fans!

  • NBK

    Whoa Kobe will make the All Star team even if he has Aids

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Very bad form, NBK.

  • NBK

    Magic did it, i am just saying no matter what Kobe Bryant will make the all star team i was not trying to offend anyone, if i did i apologize

  • NBK

    and i realize its hiv not aids that magic has i guess what i said was ignorant but atleast i realize that and didn’t mean to offend so my bad slam

  • daniel

    i like how this turned into an article about bynum

  • NBK

    its one paragraph not a whole article

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    i would take Rudy G@y over Pau Gasol

  • B. Long

    @NBK: WOW. @Everyone else:Kobe, Pau, and Bynum. You guys are gonna hate me even more this year.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    ^Odom>>>Gasol. Pau lost all my respect for the way he preformed in the finals, not that that is worth anything.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Again B, i’ll take that bet. What exactly are you putting up?? I’ll personally fly to Dallas and pay off that bet if I lose.

  • B. Long

    I’m in Shreveport, homie. But I’m just blowing smoke up yalls asses. I don’t really believe that they’ll have 3 all-stars. Possible? Yes. Likely? No. Though I will put the Lakers regular season record up against Detroits if you wanna make a friendly wager. 8)

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    can my bobcats and i get involved 8) this can be like Oceans 11, except a totaly different plot and it wont suck.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Sure. I know Detroit, at least for the last few years, has more or less only performed in the regular season. At least as far as my standards for them go. The Lakers clearly have the advantage, but I like our chances. So at 3:58 pm, on Sept. 22nd, 2008 I have accepted your bet.

  • http://www.freewebs.com/betcats BETCATS

    this is the start of some unfinished bussiness

  • http://www.alllooksame.com Tarzan Cooper

    youre not in the bet shake(betcats) and you never were

  • G. McGee

    Watch the finals. Pau is whack.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    TAD, the lakers will be nasty this year, with Bynum and Kobe and guys like that. I don’t know if this one’s gonna go through . . . and I dislike both teams anyway, being a Celtics fan.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Moose: Just like every other player w/ a knee injury, Bynum has to prove himself again. I’m not sold on him like everyone else is. Also, West>East. The Lakers should have a better record by what pretty much everyone says, but that it is a friendly bet and not money involved. I still love the Pistons chances.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    *but that is WHY it is a friendly bet….

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    BET is on some sort of super acid and I want some.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    TADONE, when Bynum was healthy last year, he was amazing. If he can come back and do that for a whole season this year, than I love the Lakers chances. I understand where you’re coming from with the knee injury thing.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    I love the Lakers title chances even when, as you probably know, I’m a huge Celtics fan.

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Not disagreeing on Bynum’s play, at all. As much as I dislike the Lakers, I actually like Bynum. I do hope he is healthy.

  • http://sdfjkl.com Jukai

    When Bynum was amazing, he was alone in the post. Let’s see how well he meshes with Gasol.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    Jukai, you have a point. You guys think that Gasol will be a good four man? If it works, it’ll be one of the best frontcourts in the league, if not the best.

  • fluxland

    That picture of Big Bird.. eer I mean Pau illustrates exactly what AllenP is talking about and I share the thought. Pau needs everything to go right for him in order to be (consistently) effective and when it doesn’t he self-destructs. He makes that same face from the picture every time something doesn’t go his way. He gets that sarcastic grin on his face and stares at the ref when he doesn’t get a call or it goes against him, while flapping his arms to his sides. I think he has it him, I just think he needs to move on when those moments happen and bring it. And he’s gotta stop letting fake posers like KG from getting into his head.
    =
    TAD, shirts come in yet?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Not yet Flux. I’m hoping today.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    fluxland says: “he’s gotta stop letting fake posers like KG from getting into his head.”
    flux, what are you TALKING about???

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    KG is a fake poser?? I’d love to be that with a ring on my finger.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the first time that anyone called Kevin Garnett a poser. And it should be the last.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    I happen to think that Pau and Bynum will mesh well.I mean I can’t really see a reason why they can’t other than the guards not feeding the post properly(which is a possibility).I mean,Pau is incredibly skilled and while he does play back to the basket,he’s just as good,if not better from the triple threat,while Bynum will mostly work on posting up and garbage buckets.I know saying good things about Pau isn’t exactly in fashion right now but anyway.And I’m not sure how formidable a scorer Bynum would have been regardless of the injury,I’d be very impressed if he got around 15 points a game next season.Of course Bynum’s return and improving game will probably mean even less shots for Odom.

  • Abd As-Salaam

    there are no hoop gods, there is only one God

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Izzo: I happen to agree, but I just don’t do it often because Laker fans don’t need more ammunition to talk crap.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    If Odom gets less shots, than he gets fouled less, so he gets to the line less. This is good for me because every time he goes to shoot free throws he’s got this smirk on his face that makes me want to throw my root beer through the TV. And he’s always got his shirt untucked and he doesn’t try hard enough. Sorry for my hating on Lamar Odom, but I gotta acknowledge some of my least favorite players sometimes.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Tad:Oh no,yeah the Lakers are doomed to eternal damnation for believing in hoop Gods.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    Izzo, where do your hoop loyalties lie?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Hoop gods??

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    Oh, and I suppose that should be a capital G.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    TAD, if there really are hoop gods, you should know about them. They’ve been favoring your Pistons for the last eight years about . . .

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Tad,you only capatilize the word god when reffering to the Christian God,or so I’m told…
    Moose:Much like my actual loyalties I’m a basketball atheist.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    A basketball atheist . . . meaning that you don’t believe in the NBA? Or you don’t have a single team that you like?

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    If any God favors Sheed, I’m following that religion. Word.

  • fluxland

    I knew that might start a little storm. Ring and all, I don’t appreciate how he barks during the majority of game, howling, growling, spitting profanity, shooting dirty looks in every direction… yet he is nowhere to be found and chocking in the 4th quarter. The biggest sign is that it’s all an act (as I pointed out to a non-basketball fan during the Finals) is when he’s at the FT line, shooting must make buckets. His eyes look like a girl scouts selling cookies door to door in a non reputable part of town and shaking like a leaf all while missing FTs. It enrages me to no end. He’s the guy talking all that noise at the bar, but backs down when you are waiting for him outside. Then he’s all like: “Hey Bro, c’mon man…”! It’s a nice ring but it never gets on his finger without P.P. stepping up when the Celtics needed him to. And yes, I am still bitter over the Celtics buying.. I mean winning their chip.

  • http://www.shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com H to the Izzo

    Moose:Option B.

  • fluxland

    Moose.. like you, I have some least favourite players.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    We all do have least favorite players, fluxland. And we have favorite ones, too, and KG happens to be one of them. I want you to look up Kevin Garnett’s numbers for the 2007-2008 season right now and we’ll se if you can agree with what you said in your comments ripping Garnett.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    And his free throw percentage was .810 last year, which is pretty good for big guys.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    And the C’s didn’t buy their championship at all . . . We traded away most of our team to get Rayray and KG.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    In the finals Garnett averaged 18.2 ppg, 1.0 blocks per game and 13.0 rpg.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Garnett has a little poser in him…He really tries to intimidate weak-minded cats with all that aggressive talk. Thing is, KG is not fighting anybody out there. I remember when Anthony Peeler elbowed him in the grill and he thought about responding and then put his hands down. It was a smart move since it would have cost the Wolves the series, but if Garnett was really as “crazy” as he appears on television he wouldn’t have had the self-control to do that. And don’t get twisted, Garnett is my second favorite player in the League.

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    And his “howling and barking” are just him being intense and having an extreme love of the game and just being Kevin Garnett. I win this battle, and I’m out for a little while . . .

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Izzo, that means your an agnostic, not an atheist. And atheist wouldn’t even believe in the existence of the League.

  • fluxland

    Moose.. those numbers mean nothing (to me) when you can’t deliver in the 4th. And guess what? That 20% he’s missing? It’s when it matters the most. Allenp – that Peeler incident is exactly what I am talking about. He initiated that incident and then backed down after getting smacked in the face. But of course, KG apologists will hide behind him being the bigger person or not wanting to get suspended. And he didn’t say anything when STAT got in his face during that regular season game.. just stood there with fear in his eyes. BIT**AS*NESS!! (PDiddyed) And that’s CERTIFIED!

  • http://shawn-kemps-offspring.blogspot.com/ TADOne

    I’ll take that so-called b*tchassness on my team 8 days a week.

  • Squirt

    If Pau was still on Memphis, there’s no way he is 31. Laker hype.

  • i am the walrus

    pau is a beast(on the offence)

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    Really? This low? I mean its reasonable, but if Andrew Bogut proceeds to make this list, than we’ve got a serious error.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    BETCATS, if you really want to make a wager with your Crapcats, you must be dumber than I think you are. Wait…

  • http://www.nba.com/celtics/ Moose

    @ Teddy: Bogut will not make this list.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    @ fluxland: Are you seriously trying to diss Kevin Garnett on an intellectual basis? If so, then quoting P. Diddy (a.k.a. Snitched on Shyne) really won’t help you out a whole lot.

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    Teddy, why in gods name would bogut make this list?

  • fluxland

    Teddy the Bear – huh? Sorry, what do you mean? I think all my comments are pretty explanatory in what I am trying to say, no? Also, Moose I saw on the other post you claiming to be 13. If this is so, don’t let my opinion cloud your judgement regarding KG, seeing how you were born when he got into the NBA. As I am sure you wouldn’t anyway. Your perspective will be much different then mine.

  • fluxland

    Teddy the Bear – to clear it up – KG pretends to be someone who he is not. He acts as a tough minded, intimidating, not to be messed with individual. His actions, however, when confronted with adversity or when that toughness is questioned speak the opposite of that (Anthony Peeler) and when he finds himself in pressure must deliver situations he FAILS. REPEATEDLY. Allenp said how he really tries to intimidate weak-minded cats and that to me is funny because he is as weak-minded, IMO, as they come. Remember the reports of him not having slept in weeks during the playoffs? Somehow, I really doubt that was out of excitement. And you may not remember this, but KG had this interview with John Thompson on TNT the year after the Wolves got bounced out of the WCF, where once he stopped the interview because he started crying (like a little schoolgirl) and then later on actually cried during it. He even claimed he didn’t sleep for 2 months!?! Also, and this is my favorite gem… during the interview itself he says “I don’t really like showing emotion man, cuz you know, it exposes you” Really? Could have fooled me you didn’t like to show it. And yes it exposes Kevin, yes it does. Oh, the irony. Does that sound like a tough or even tough-minded (as opposed to weak-minded) cat? There is a lot of other stuff in that interview, that from my POV, says a lot about him, but somehow people interpret it very differently then I do. Either way… the man FRONTS. He pretends to be someone who he is not.. and I have very little respect for that. The game is about a lot more then stats and numbers and those same numbers can be very deceiving.

  • http://twentythreenine.blogspot.com Russ Bengtson

    Kevin has said on multiple occasions and to multiple questioners (including yours truly) that the cussing and outbursts are directed at himself, not any particular opponent: “That’s why sometimes you see me—I get a really good one and, ‘That’s what I’m talking about boy, that’s what you should be doin’ the whole muf*ckin’ game’ A lot of people think I be cussin’—a lot of it do be cussin’” You said twice that he pretends to be someone he is not. Which means you know who he is. Please elucidate. Who is the real Kevin Garnett?

  • fluxland

    I never claimed to know who he is. I do have the ability and option of forming an opinion based on what I see, however. The fact the told you or anyone else those outburst are directed at himself only make me question his mental state further. And just because the said that to you, does not mean it’s true. (Consistency in lying makes people believers.) It wouldn’t be the wisest PR move, don’t you think. Also, in this same discussion on another post during the playoffs, more then a few commentators indicated that his outburst were directed at opposing players and even fans. This as a result of them being at the games and witnessing for themselves. The fact is, IMO as I stated earlier, that someone that acts as tough as he does and the proceeds to fold like a cheap tent in the middles of a storm when it counts the most – is not as though as he pretends to be, mentally of physically (when confronted so). I am not sure what makes you think that because I claim that he is not who he pretends to be that I would, in turn, know who he is. I may not know who he is, but I have a pretty good idea who he is not – and that’s who he portrays to be.

  • fluxland

    *the = he x2 and of= or

  • fluxland

    Looking into the crowd, while screaming profanities(as he did numerous times during the playoffs) also doesn’t indicate speaking to oneself. But you Russ, are entitled to your opinion as am I, remember? And don’t let me forget the Zaza incident where he back off when head butted, not say a word and then proceed to bark at 10 feet away from the guy.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Let me say something right quick because my comment has been taken to a place I don’t agree with. As a person who has played pickup basketball most of his life, there is not a single player in the league I would rather run with than Kevin Garnett. Allen Iverson is my favorite player, and I would rather run with Garnett. Garnett is not fake or lame. No, he’s not the tough guy he comes across as with all the cursing as glaring, but I don’t consider him soft either. He’s tough, mentally tough, in a lot of ways. This is a cat who basically went to live by himself and raised a relative while in high school! This is a cat who took in a kid off the streets to give him another shot in life. Kevin Garnett, from what I’ve seen, appears to be one of the most genuine human beings in the NBA and someone who loves his teammates and the game of basketball. To insinuate otherwise is just lame. Like I said, if I could fantasy draft any player to run with it would be Garnett just because I know that every time I succeeded he would be happy for me.

  • fluxland

    Allenp, please tell me where I implied that my opinion had anything to do regarding the guy off the court? I think it’s pretty obvious that I was referring to his conduct on the court. Or where I implied he doesn’t love basketball or his teammates? What the man does off the court is of little interest to me. Also, if in my comments I portrayed you in a negative light my apologies, I will, from now keep your “name” out of them.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I’ve been a KG fan pretty much from the get go. Where you see posing, I see firing up his own squad. Let’s be real here, no stars are throwing punches unless they’re dumb (Melo) or insane (Artest) or both (Jax — still love him to death though… let’s just say that he doesn’t always make the right choice). The fines are hefty, the suspensions are long and it’s just not worth it. However, if it DOES give you an edge on weaker minded cats, why not use it?
    Oh and about the folding in crunch time… When people will understand that scoring is the worst aspect of KG’s game, they’ll stop wondering why he doesn’t deliver clutch baskets on the regular. Dude NEVER goes off for 40, let alone 50. Man-to-man d, help d, boards, blocks, steals, assists, setting picks, directing the O from the block or the high post, directing the D from the paint, setting picks, taking charges, being an emotional and vocal leader are all aspects of KG’s game that are more developed than dropping buckets.
    That’s why he thrives when he’s playing with pure scorers. However, that doesn’t mean that he’s not the leader of the team. Don’t let the scoring fool you. That championship doesn’t happen without PP giving the business to LA… but it damn sure don’t happen without KG doing absolutely everything else.
    The emphasis in the game of basketball is put on scoring but it doesn’t mean that it has to be the ultimate criteria. In soccer, the number of goals you score is quite marginal at times in determining the better player (see Zidane in his hey days).

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I’m so enamored with the pick-setting skills of KG that I had to mention it twice.

  • scott

    The bottom line is KG will be in the top 10 without a doubt. Garnett may have had a small role in turning around Boston.

  • Anton

    Gasol’s weird. When he’s playing for team Spain he’s the undeniable team leader, looks confident on the court and leads in scoring.
    When he’s on the floor with the Lakers he looks like a big awkward banana fumbling around.

  • Teddy-the-Bear

    What I meant was exactly what Russ said… sort of. And I thought that Bogut would make maybe top 50, him being a decent big man, a rare feat in today’s NBA.

  • scott

    Rudy Gay>>>>>>>>>>Andrew Bogut

  • scott

    Entering the conversation a little late buy my money is on either Boston or the LA Lakers do have the most wins this season.

  • fluxland

    Z.. I was talking about the antics only. Russ has already explained to us that the “firing up” is about KG and KG only, so it has nothing to do with his teammates. Apparently. If you are not going to throw punches don’t act and talk you will. Regarding his game – EVERYTHING? I do remember Posey hitting some key shots and this Rondo kid doing some things (steals, assists and whatnot) around the court as well, among others. People always talk about how Kobe doesn’t win anything without Diesel and I just think KG gets way too much credit for that chip – like you say it’s a team game. It’s not like KG did anything out the ordinary and carried that team to the FInals.

  • scott

    KG changed the whole culture in Boston. They went from 18 wins to 66 the following year. Garnett anchored the best defense the League has seen in years. I know there are alot of Brynat haters out there but to say KG did nothing to help Boston get to the finals is pure ignorance.

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    Kaman> Bogut

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    Bogut

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    > 50 players in NBA

  • http://moneybills2cents.blogspot.com/ Money Bill Williams

    and teddy, give the BET bashing a break, he doesn’t even write anything at you and you call him out, real mature bro

  • chintao

    P. Gasol + M. Gasol

  • chintao
  • chintao

    are not as good as Artest.

  • chintao

    There is some weird moderation thing happening here. I can’t get the “

  • chintao

    less than” symbol to show up. Why?

  • http://hibachi20.blogspot.com Hursty

    Because WordPress is gangsta.

  • fluxland

    Yes scott, because I said he did NOTHING! *rolls eyes*

  • scott

    It’s not like KG did anything out of the ordinary and carried the team to the finals. Give the man some credit. KG was the single the biggest reason why they won the Fianls.

  • fluxland

    Point was he did what he does. Nothing more. I never took credit away from him and I disagree about him being the biggest reason why they won the Finals. If that were true…who won the MVP?

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    So the MVP is always the person that was main reason why a Finals was won? Is that your Final answer?

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    I’ve never liked the Finals MVP going to the guy that was hot… It should be a playoffs MVP. I mean, Tony P was nice against CLE but none of that happens without Duncan being quadruple-teamed in the block. As Duncan goes, the Spurs go. As KG goes, the Celts go. PP is nice but, as scott said, KG changed the whole culture in Beantown. He’s just that dude. Now you don’t have to love him at all, but your bias is clouding your assessment of his value to that team.

  • fluxland

    Z… probably. Like I stated way up there..I am still bitter. But I still think his value is being overstated. It’s nice playing D and getting stops, but you still have to make them pay at the other end. Something he didn’t provide in the 4th as much as others, where I think buckets mean (not count) more. Others did that. So there is a balance there. Like you said one doesn’t happen without the other.

  • fluxland

    Allenp .. do you have a comprehension problem? That’s multiple times you are accusing me of saying things that I never said. I was making a point. One that you missed… (surprise surprise) AGAIN! I am not turning this into a MVP discussion. Something tells me we are not going to agree on that… just like any other topic that may come up, so why don’t we just stop wasting each others time? I don’t want to take things to a place you may not agree.

  • Jennifer J.

    I can’t think of anyone more deserving. Pau Gasol will always be the love of my life and my idol. He seems to be a dependable, eager, meticulous, dynamic hard worker athlete just like Kobe Bryant who’s my idol too. More power to them and the rest of the Lakers too who I think would kick it in the next NBA season.

  • Caleb

    I think whether or not someone has that “certain something (confidence, swagger, drive, passion, whatever) is not something any of us can really know. Yeah, sure… its apparent with guys like Bryant, Garnett, Jordan.. but unless its blatantly obvious I don’t think any of us really know what’s going on in the players minds. I think we ought to try and stick with the tangibles.

  • http://www.manutd.com Z

    The tangibles being him getting emasculated in the paint where them big boys don’t play. :) Tomahto-Tomayto… dude is soft. Still a very good player but a softie who shies away from contact.

  • Jennifer J.

    Give Pau a break. He’s got the potentials although he really has to be more aggressive to push it and shove it to these guys when he plays.

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    Flux said: “Point was he did what he does. Nothing more. I never took credit away from him and I disagree about him being the biggest reason why they won the Finals. If that were true…who won the MVP?”…..
    Flux what point were you making here? If you’re not insinuating that the player that won the Finals MVP was the biggest reason why the Celtics won the championship, then what are you insinuating? I actually don’t disagree with the idea that Pierce was more important than Garnett, but the logic that the player who wins the Finals MVP is automatically the most important reason why the team won the championship doesn’t fly for me. So, if that’s not what you were saying in that post, what were you saying?

  • http://www.ravingblacklunatic.blogspot.com Allenp

    And Flux, my reading comprehension is top notch.

  • CL SMOOTH

    The only guy softer than this guy on this list is Vince.

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