Thursday, September 11th, 2008 at 8:00 am  |  217 responses

SLAMonline Top 50: Richard Hamilton, no. 40

The definitive ranking of the best players in the NBA today…

by Matt Eil

If the SLAMonline Top 50 was based on how a dude looks with a plastic face-mask pressed against his mug, there is little doubt Richard Hamilton would be the Lance of that award. However, Rip, who has sported the mask since the 03-04 season (his “Superman cape,” as he calls it), surely wouldn’t mind the humble ranking.

That’s simply the type of hombre that Hamilton is. He plays big when he needs to. He can score but doesn’t need to score. He doesn’t fiend the spotlight. His career scoring average is a chin hair below 18 ppg, and that number goes up almost 3 points come playoff time – a stage Rip has been to throughout his entire b-ball career minus three seasons with the Wizards (y’all almost forgot that didn’t you).

Rip and winning have gone together for quite a while now. Dude led UConn to its first National Championship in 1999 as the tournament’s Most Outstanding Player, vaulting him to the seventh overall pick that summer. After the 2002 trade to Detroit, Hamilton and the Pistons have gone to the Conference Finals or better in each of his six seasons with the team including 2004-‘05 when Detroit brought it home for the first time since the Laimbeer era.

Rip isn’t your typical NBA stud though. First of all, he probably wouldn’t label himself a stud. The strongest part of his game is arguably his ability to run around a pick better than anyone in the league. And then he keeps running, and running, and then might run some more. Matter of fact, he might just outrun his own dogs, as he claims.

Not only that, despite leading the Pistons in scoring in each of his six seasons in the D, Rip has been second on the squad in assists in five of those years. Point is that Hamilton is the man without acting like the man. It’s not about him.

The examples pile up. The nickname Rip comes from a tattoo he sports in honor of a childhood friend that passed. You ever see Rip in commercials? Doing a skit at the ESPY’s? Pushing his rap albums? All of that is about as likely as me suiting-up next to Hamilton in the red white and blue next fall.

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  • Froggiestyle Posted: Sep.11 at 8:03 am
    rip should go higher – at least for the fashion mask

  • scott Posted: Sep.11 at 8:08 am
    Rip is a nice player. I just don’t think Hamilton should be ahead of most of the guys on this list. Hamilton over Artest?

  • Jiggy Posted: Sep.11 at 8:11 am
    Rip should be ranked higher than Billups… Opposing teams prepare more for Rip’s running around and getting picks than Chauncey’s 3ball…

  • Niio Posted: Sep.11 at 8:12 am
    Yea i agree with Froggie, I expected Rip in the 30′s. This is probably one of the best write ups so far, dude just gets the job done PERIOD. I’ve been a fan of his game since the UCONN days, when he was unguardable with his turn around J.

  • andrew Posted: Sep.11 at 8:14 am
    Agree with you Jiggy, but somehow I also agree that Rip is the fortiest best. I like the guy, like how he plays, like his shoes, like his style. He has been in ads, too… check the Team Jordan ad in the Olympic edition…

  • overtime Posted: Sep.11 at 8:17 am
    Not my favorite guy, but no denying the talent, he is extremely efficient and no doubt he is best at what he does and the Pistons would crumble without him even if they don’t realise it. Billups or Sheed should no way be higher than him

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.11 at 8:18 am
    Wow.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 8:23 am
    I have been a Rip fan since his UConn days and loved the fact he beat Duke in that championship game back in ’99. It also won me 1st place in the NCAA pool I was in. Double win. Rip is the most unassuming effective player in the league. This is a good spot for him.

  • ace Posted: Sep.11 at 8:27 am
    should be higher imo. But i’m biased since he’s my favourtie player :D

  • Bigi Posted: Sep.11 at 8:28 am
    Rip is a bit skinny…Looks even skinnier in that pic.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.11 at 8:28 am
    He’s no worse than the second best player on his team, but in no way better than ron artest.

  • andrew Posted: Sep.11 at 8:28 am
    I can’t wait for someone to make outlandish statements regarding calling people FAGETS or some other misspelled masterpiece regarding Rip or something else. I think we’re 9/9 so far on the preceding players. Don’t let me down, guys.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.11 at 8:36 am
    I actually hated that uconn team except for Khalid.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 8:38 am
    Well Shia, at least they beat Duke. I’m sure we can agree on that at least.

  • scott Posted: Sep.11 at 8:38 am
    Congratulations Detroit four players being in the top 50. Nobody else is going to can say that.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.11 at 8:58 am
    I don’t exactly hate duke.

  • FLUXLAND Posted: Sep.11 at 8:58 am
    Was this a piece about Jesus? Holy!!! No mention of the “hey Rasheed is hugging KG and I wanna cry about it” fiasco, ha? No, he’s humble, not the man and hates the spotlight. Riiight. I’ll admit I am biased – the guy irritates me, especially the way him and the rest of the Pistons cry and act out over calls. (Sorry, TAD! Please but the broken beer
    bottle down.)
    ==
    @Bryan. I thought I was the only person on the planet who liked Khalid from that team. Man, I wish he had stuck on some NBA team.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.11 at 8:58 am
    RIP is underrated, even by SLAM.

  • James The Balla Posted: Sep.11 at 9:02 am
    Jamilton over Artest annndddd Redd … i love RIP but, damn!!!

  • andrew Posted: Sep.11 at 9:05 am
    I’m pretty sure all players whine about calls – I’ve never noticed Detroit doing it more than any other team (Sheed aside, obviously). The only guy I know that seems to never have committed a foul (except when he’s trying to cover for a team mate, rather cheekily, I might add, which belies his on court persona) is the Duncan Robot.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Sep.11 at 9:07 am
    I’d take Rip over Artest and Redd eight days a week (twice on Sunday). Although if this comments section were to turn into a Khalid El-Amin tribute, I wouldn’t be mad.

  • andrew Posted: Sep.11 at 9:07 am
    C’mon James, Redd is totally nowhere near as good as Rip. Different games, sure, but Redd is a chucker, who ‘creates his own shot’, which I read to be runs a little and throws up a three, Rip works harder than most to get a fifteen footer up. Way harder to guard than someone like Redd. Rip could put up nasty numbers like Redd, he just doesn’t need to in the P’s system.

  • andrew Posted: Sep.11 at 9:09 am
    Russ, I wish it could, but I have nothing to add on Khalid, as in 1999 I was too busy taking acid and going to pop-punk shows to be interested in college ball. I don’t know who the guy is.

  • scott Posted: Sep.11 at 9:09 am
    What ever happened to El-Amin?

  • FLUXLAND Posted: Sep.11 at 9:16 am
    @Andrew: Agreed, Sheed is the ring leader and I think over time this has rubbed off on the rest of the team. CBills and Rip over the last few season complain and whine at levels I have never seen before from them. Living where I live, I have seen plenty of Piston games – it’s become ridiculous and makes me not want to watch as it takes away from the game. (I’m having visions of Rip holding his arms out and leaning over the ref saying something, or throwing his mask towards the bench while walking and turning his head to say something to the ref, or CBills ripping out his mouth piece after every whistle because he has to say something as well)

  • FLUXLAND Posted: Sep.11 at 9:18 am
    @scott: bounced around a few leagues in Europe. Currently plays in the Ukraine. A few more inches and he would have been in the NBA.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 9:21 am
    Rasheed will probably be in Slam’s top twenty. Pitiful.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.11 at 9:21 am
    El-Amin was a good floor leader, but an even better buffet eater.

  • scott Posted: Sep.11 at 9:23 am
    @jukai…where do you think Rasheed will be?

  • FLUXLAND Posted: Sep.11 at 9:24 am
    @Lz – I was waiting for the first “fatboy” or “doughboy” reference. That’s funny.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.11 at 9:24 am
    There is no way possible that Sheed makes this list now.

  • rob stewart Posted: Sep.11 at 9:27 am
    I think RIP is a good player but if he wasn’t in Detroit, which is the perfect system for him, he wouldn’t be top 60.

  • Bruno Posted: Sep.11 at 9:30 am
    you shouldn’t write about the pros in his game, i think everybody knows that, BUT, instead, should write WHY HE IS SO LOW.
    GARBAGE POST.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.11 at 9:32 am
    And Rip should be rated higher than Chauncey. This was a good look at Rip’s place in the game though, Matt.

  • scott Posted: Sep.11 at 9:32 am
    So sad I don’t think Stephen Jackson is making the list now. Jackson isn’t going to be in the top 40.

  • andrew Posted: Sep.11 at 9:33 am
    Flux – fair enough call I guess… although I’ve not seen any of that biz. But that’s because I’m in Australia, I suppose. On the Sheed front, I’d be concerned if he popped up in this list now – his number just don’t add up. I freaking love the dude (Paradise City, anyone?) and I wish to high heaven that he would play like we all know he can, but I think that Slam would err mightily if they pick him above any of the players already picked…

  • andrew Posted: Sep.11 at 9:34 am
    *numbers

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Sep.11 at 9:43 am
    Jukai has reached a new low—pre-emptively complaining about where he thinks we might rank players. Why do you come here again?

  • FLUXLAND Posted: Sep.11 at 9:43 am
    @Andrew: loved Sheed until, during a playoff game in Portland while walking to the bench, he threw a towel in Arvydas Saboinis’ face. I don’t remember the reason and it doesn’t matter. EFFIN P***K. That would have been the equivalent of an European spitting in the face of MJ on international television. So, forgive me if he doesn’t make any list unless it’s titled Terrorist Watch List.

  • FLUXLAND Posted: Sep.11 at 9:45 am
    *me if I don’t care..

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.11 at 9:50 am
    RIP right now, is Pistons best player – Billups passed that torch about 1½ year ago. Flux; I’m always happy to entertain.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 9:51 am
    A towel is nowhere near as bad as spitting on someone. Come on now.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.11 at 9:52 am
    Unless said towel is drenched in spit.

  • snyper48 Posted: Sep.11 at 9:52 am
    @Matt…hum…well,The name RIP actually comes from his Dad who was called Rip too. I’m just saying.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 9:52 am
    Hey Russ, I’ve counted more than five people on this list who have done that. Are you angry that me that I sided with Todd over you or something?

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 9:53 am
    *responding to this list

  • Ben Osborne Posted: Sep.11 at 9:53 am
    Nice work, Matt.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.11 at 9:54 am
    Maybe Sheed was just throwing the towel at the bench, I mean with the size of Sabonis’ head it could be difficult not to hit it.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 9:56 am
    And by more than five I actually meant three

  • scott Posted: Sep.11 at 9:59 am
    39 spots left (no particular order)
    1. LeBron James
    2. Dwyane Wade
    3. Kevin Garnett
    4. Shawn Marion
    5. Elton Brand
    6. Gilbert Arenas
    7. Dwight Howard
    8. Danny Granger
    9. Joe Johnson
    10. Chris Bosh
    11. Andre Iguodala
    12. Paul Pierce
    13. Vince Carter
    14. Jason Richardson
    15. Jose Calderon
    16. Chauncey Billups
    17. Rashard Lewis
    18. Hedo Turkoglu
    19. Antawn Jamison
    20. Caron Butler
    21. Gerald Wallace
    22. Mike Dunleavy
    23. Chris Paul
    24. Kobe Bryant
    25. Amare Stoudemire
    26. Steve Nash
    27. Dirk Nowitzki
    28. Deron Williams
    29. Allen Iverson
    30. Baron Davis
    31. Al Jefferson
    32. Tim Duncan
    33. Rudy Gay
    34. Carmelo Anthony
    35. Carlos Boozer
    36. Yao Ming
    37. Pau Gasol
    38. Jason Kidd
    39. Brandon Roy

  • Gerard Himself Posted: Sep.11 at 10:01 am
    If this would be a stamina list, Rip might rank no. 1 too.

  • FLUXLAND Posted: Sep.11 at 10:05 am
    @TAD: Yeah, I know. I was making a point.
    @Lz: It was deliberate, no question about it. Even the announcers we shocked. Will never forget that moment.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Sep.11 at 10:08 am
    I don’t care who you side with, Jukai. Go on with your bad self. But maybe wait to see where (or indeed if) Rasheed is actually ranked before you start calling us pathetic? Just a thought.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.11 at 10:14 am
    Flux; I know, have seen the footage. Was just trying to make a wise crack.
    Scott; Seriously you would take Lil’Dun over guys like Josh, Monta, Camby, Tayshaun, RIP, and Artest? Maybe the Knicks have a job for you?

  • scott Posted: Sep.11 at 10:16 am
    @ lz-cphfinest3…no I wouldn’t take Dunleavy over the ones you mentioned but you have to fill out the list.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.11 at 10:17 am
    F*ck Sabonis.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.11 at 10:17 am
    Scott; fair enough.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.11 at 10:19 am
    Scott; still Lil’Dun is not even the best player on his team, I would pick Granger over him any day.

  • Froggiestyle Posted: Sep.11 at 10:21 am
    why wait when you can hate :P

  • scott Posted: Sep.11 at 10:21 am
    @lz-cphfinest3…I agree Granger is on my list. That list isn’t in order. I think Granger could really break out this year…maybe Eastern Conference All-Star.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.11 at 10:23 am
    Scott; agree, he could mos def make the All-Star game this season. Missed him on your list, my bad.

  • FLUXLAND Posted: Sep.11 at 10:24 am
    @Lz- there is footage? Will look now.
    @Scott – Hedo?
    @Bryan – why? I realize North Americans will never appreciate him as much as Europeans, but just curious as to why the comment.

  • ciolkstar Posted: Sep.11 at 10:24 am
    Nice write up. I’m okay with him being ranked here. Although RIP might not be as talented as some guys behind him on the list, he, straight up, puts in work and is one of the most consistently effective players in the game. IMO, Rip is the Pistons most valuable offensive player and is a guy who can dominate a game through pure effort and efficiency. You gotta love that, well, I do anyway.

  • scott Posted: Sep.11 at 10:25 am
    @fluxland…Hedo had a nice season last year.

  • scott Posted: Sep.11 at 10:26 am
    @fluxland…20,6,5 is no small feat and it’s not like he put those numbers up on a garbage team.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 10:28 am
    Jeez Russ, I didn’t know your exterior was so soft that I had to dull things down for you. I’ll use nice, soft baby words for you from now on. You can put your tissues back in your purse now.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 10:28 am
    Sorry, I’m sorry. Times are rough. A lot of work, you know?
    (jeez, what a pathetic list)

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.11 at 10:30 am
    Flux; I remember seeing the towel incident, and I wasn’t at the game. So there must be footage, don’t know where though – it’s a long time ago. Sidenote(s): Sabonis would have been dominant if he had entered the L in his prime. Will be interesting to see if Hedo can build on last years success, or if it was a one and done kind of Magloierish thing.

  • ciolkstar Posted: Sep.11 at 10:32 am
    Honestly, should Ason kidd really STILL be on this list? I actually think in terms of player’s worth, Artest and Rip are VERY close(Redd, however, is not). But Rip is so consistent and never gives defenders a night off, he will out work you if you’re not dedicated to staying with him (and sometimes even if you are.) Artest has a completely diferent skill set, but if he came with the same relentless consistency that Rip does, he’s be a lot higher up on this list and everyone else’s. Russ just murked jukai.

  • Russ Bengtson Posted: Sep.11 at 10:33 am
    Do you regularly go to restaurants that you hate just to complain about the food? I’m just curious.

  • Bruno Posted: Sep.11 at 10:35 am
    8, 11, 14, 15, 17, 18, 21, 22, 32, 33 probably 37, and today’s 38 CAN’T be higher than rip…
    that said, i have to think Slam are going throw some rookies here or this is gonna be some crap list

  • ciolkstar Posted: Sep.11 at 10:37 am
    …ranking an established player, who has been on the list, but has fallen off is probably a lot harder than placing a young guy bursting with potential. Can you completely ignore past accomplishments? (this is reagrding whether or not Kidd still belongs. And, I guess, Rasheed for too.)

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 10:40 am
    I think Co Co had a good idea when she said she would stay away from commenting on the list until it gets closer to #1.

  • ciolkstar Posted: Sep.11 at 10:40 am
    oops (thuis is *regarding whether or not Kidd still belongs. And, I guess, Rasheed *too.)

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.11 at 10:41 am
    Kidd still belongs, sure he’s not the same player anymore. But he’s one of the best leaders, and wisest players around. He might have lost a step (especially on D), but he still almost averaged a treble-double last season.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.11 at 10:41 am
    No particular reason I hated him when I was a kid and I still do.

  • ciolkstar Posted: Sep.11 at 10:41 am
    I suck at typing

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.11 at 10:42 am
    Why tad? Its fun.

  • Bruno Posted: Sep.11 at 10:43 am
    with the rookies, itsgonna be crap too.
    i’m out today… rip as #40 is absurd.

  • FLUXLAND Posted: Sep.11 at 10:43 am
    @scott: oh, no doubt he had a great season and was a key member on the Magic. Always liked the guy and his game. I just don’t know if he would be top 50. I am not a fan of lists and rankings nor an expert talent evaluator. But maybe you are right, we’ll see if SLAM shares the thought.
    @Lz – agree about Sabonis. It’s a shame really. Also, remember the Sheed tryin to kill Ruben B.B. incident. The guy is a douchebag of epic proportions. His (wasted) talent and skill irrelevant.
    @Russ – excellent!!
    @Jukai – I don’t know what happened to you, man. Last year, from what I remember, you were not like this. Something happen in your personal life, sent you over the edge and now you are venting in cyber space or what? Either way..not a good look. (waits for it)

  • Randy Brown Posted: Sep.11 at 10:48 am
    Good article, I’m a big fan of Rip. Although, I thought he got his nickname from his dad. Something to do with ripping of diapers. Sounds bogus now that I think about it

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.11 at 10:49 am
    Flux; agree Sheed seems like a tool, and have underachieved if you take his talent into consideration. I still enjoy watching him ball though. Concerning Jukai, maybe he took a good look at the mirror and discovered that he’s nothing but an average nancyboy, dissapointed with himself he turned to the dark side, thus the anger.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 10:49 am
    FLUXLAND: … bored at work?

  • ciolkstar Posted: Sep.11 at 10:49 am
    The whole Kidd triple double thing is a bit misleading. Sure he is one of the BEST distributors of the ball and a smart player, but NJ tried to funnel uncontested rebounds towards him (mostly so he could handle the ball immediately on the break) and Dallas may be as well. But honestly, Kidd is a liability on both ends of the court now. Since he, admittedly, cant shoot, defenses sag off him. And he can no longer stay in fromt of most PGs (or Sgs), Cubes is always trying to improve, but the mavs really screwed themselves by giving away their best young player (and maybe their best defender?) as well as a first rounder. I do like the Gerald Green signing though. (I know. I know.)

  • FLUXLAND Posted: Sep.11 at 10:50 am
    @Bryan – fair enough, Sir. Fair enough. Everyone has a “can’t stand that guy/never did” list.

  • Theseed Posted: Sep.11 at 10:54 am
    I feel Rip is overated, I would take just about every player on this list before him. Yes Ron Artest too. He runs around and shoots, yes they won a title, but that was because of Billups playing out of his mind and the two Wallaces anchoring the middle. Slam you can rank him this high, but I would not have put him on my list, when he is not even the third best player on his team, that is Prince, So that makes Rip last.

  • ciolkstar Posted: Sep.11 at 10:56 am
    Atlest E Boy is magnanimous…

  • FLUXLAND Posted: Sep.11 at 10:58 am
    @Lz – Yeah, me too to an extent. Like I said, I used to love the guy. It’s been tough man. This love/hate thing.
    @Jukai – I am sure you are smart enough to find other ways to kill it. I know we all have bad days. I’ve been on here slinging mud at times, but it’s been going on for a while with you now..just making sure you are all good. Carry on, as TAD would say.
    @ciolkstar. I cannot agree with “misleading triple doubles” any more. He is opportunistic and his team mates know he can/will rebound. I am sure he has instructed bigs to leave it up to him to rebound and make sure they run. I am sure they didn’t all appreciate it either. Which one of those triple doubles stands out in anyone’s mind or is memorable? NONE. They are meaningless. I can’t remember was he involved in a Ricky Davis type stat padding incident. I think he was.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.11 at 11:04 am
    Russ: +5

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.11 at 11:04 am
    but i would take Monta over him

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 11:05 am
    I mean, I’m being honest FLUX: it’s not a well made list. Granted, Myles/Russ/Ben/etc, they’ve all said this was purely opinion-based and it just spawned when they were arguing, but this is SLAM, you know? If they’re going to throw a list out which states it is “SLAMONLINE’S” top 50 list, no writer should respond with “well, it wasn’t MY idea to place him here.”
    I have no idea why in my last post, my criteria idea took such a hit. There should have been a common grading rubric to why these players were where they were, it should not have been “a) who is the best and/or b) how much do they help their team” cause that leaves a lot of room. Should we only account for last year? Are we looking forward to the year ahead? Should we factor in past achievements? Should we factor in lower stats cause of the team they are on? Should we factor in past injuries or erase them and assume they’re going to be healthy? How much should we factor in team chemistry vs raw talent? Should it only be about raw talent? Do we factor in upside? Do we factor in that they’re past their primes? Should we look at their past to make sure their teammates or system aren’t making them better then they are? Which is more important, athleticism or skill? If Devin Harris played better than Jason Kidd but we know Jason Kidd is better, what do we do?
    All this shoulda probably been hammered out for an “OFFICIAL LIST” but it wasn’t. And that’s fine, because I know this is just a list that was thrown out between a bunch of Slam writers, and then fine tuned through yelling and screaming. Still, I wish we could see “Ben Osbourne’s Top 50 list” and “Myles Brown’s top 50 list” and “Russ Bengtson’s top 50 list” instead of this compromised ‘official’ list which no one really seems to like. I digress though, my last comments were just to get on Russ’ nerves. I immediately regretted saying “pathetic” after I posted my first response, but I still felt that contributing to Russ’ aneurism was probably a more fun cause than apologizing. If you guys really need to know, the list is just as valid as anyone’s: after rating O’Neil at 25 on mine and then reading everyone’s arguments, I wanted to toss him to 40. No one has perfect opinions, and even though I’m incredibly close, I don’t either… but I just feel no one is happy with this list, the writers included (some of these summaries are showers of praise while others are a bit like bash-fests) and I’d just rather see THEIR opinions instead of SLAM’s badly conglomerated opinion. No lie, peace.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.11 at 11:05 am
    Who the f*ck called me magnanimous? :)

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.11 at 11:06 am
    Jukai has been a typing fool the last few days.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.11 at 11:08 am
    Jukai = the guy flushing the toliet in Darrel Arthur’s hotel room?

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.11 at 11:16 am
    Flux; you can say a lot about Ason, but he’s not one out to pad his stats. He’s an incredible unselfish ballplayer, and if he instructs his bigs to run it’s for the better of the team. Much like he has no problem not hoisting a single shot (more like brick) as long as his team wins. And saying his teammates didn’t appreciate it, is just plain wrong. Have you ever heard about of a teammate of his complaining about playing with Kidd. Quite the opposite just last season the worlds best two ballers (+ Dirk) were openly begging to play with him. Just as every single player on Team US, especially CP3, Deron, Kobe, and LeBron praised his knowledge of the game and teachings. The reason every ballplayer wants to play with him, is because of his unselfishness and unparalleled Basketball IQ.

  • Ben Osborne Posted: Sep.11 at 11:19 am
    Seems as though on most posts so far, a similar number of commenters want a guy lower as higher, which to me means most of the rankings have been on the money. And Jukai, these rankings are an average of people’s lists, which seemed the best way to do it. And one more thing, Jukai: there’s no “u” in my name.

  • overtime Posted: Sep.11 at 11:19 am
    Seriously, someone ban Jukai or smefng

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 11:21 am
    So Ben, you’re not related to Ozzy?

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.11 at 11:21 am
    Rip over Artest? I don’t know man. Rip is better than everybody else lower than him on this list except for Artest. Maybe I’m just too much of an Artest fan.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.11 at 11:23 am
    I can’t argue with the list because it was probably just a concesus thing. I just hate Tayshaun.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 11:27 am
    Really Eboy? You Really disagree with this? You’ve been whining and complaining that a guy should be lower or higher at every post and you disagree with this? Jesus…

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 11:28 am
    Well, I tried being honest. So much for that.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 11:30 am
    I think arguig over people that have already been named on the list is completely fine. I think the point Russ was making was that we shouldn’t complain that this person or that person who hasn’t even been named yet should be higher/lower or what have you until we see where exactly said person is listed and have a chance to read thru the argument that is made for that person about their particular spot on the list.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.11 at 11:33 am
    Rip is clearly deserving of this spot, and I can say that because I believe I said Artest should be ranked higher. If you remove every other name from this list I can say I’d think of Rip as about the 40th best player in the Nba so my problems with this list don’t begin with this ranking, its tay and josh and ron.

  • Bryan Posted: Sep.11 at 11:35 am
    Anticipating a problem is ok with me , I’m already resigned to the fact that if Iggy from philly shows up on here I’ll be a little put out.

  • what Posted: Sep.11 at 11:41 am
    Rip is a perfect player for that system. Would he be as productive in a different system where people don’t set picks or get him the ball in exactly the right place to shoot his midrange jumper? Maybe, maybe not. I’m not sure that he’s a better individual player than Artest.

  • FLUXLAND Posted: Sep.11 at 11:43 am
    @Jukai. I get what you are saying and if no one else did, I appreciate/d the honesty. As I mentioned earlier I am not a fan of lists and ranking precisely because everyone has their own criteria and opinion. Seriously, there will never been one where a majority agrees.// Todd and others make a good point.. it would probably be a good idea to see the complete list before slamming it (hehe). Agree, some of the write ups are one sided, but variety is what they are aiming for I assume, and let’s face it this list is meant to spark discussion and comment count. You can disagree with every one of the picks.. all I was saying is that your form lately has been over the top and it didn’t seem like you.
    @Lz- it’s hard to argue with most of what you are saying. But at the very least there is a possibility some bigs who’s bread and butter is rebounding not running the floor, would not be happy. Most of the people you mentioned are not “bigs”. I ultimately question his unselfishness and motivation.. let’s remember this is they guy who quit on the Nets and demanded outta there. How does that factor into his TEAM first attitude. Has the guy ever found a coach he likes? He has done this to every team he’s been on.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.11 at 11:45 am
    Jukai, you have me confused with someone else. I haven’t really complained about any of the choices.

  • Allenp Posted: Sep.11 at 11:47 am
    Nope, it’s impossible to be too much of a Ron Artest fan. I’m also sad that Stephen Jackson won’t make the list. His slow, high crossover is a thing of beauty.

  • FLUXLAND Posted: Sep.11 at 11:53 am
    @Lz – also, if you have Vince Carter on your team.. and you don’t want to play with him/quit.. what does that say about you? (JKidd)

  • overtime Posted: Sep.11 at 11:58 am
    @Jukai, nothing wrong with being honest, it’s being wrong thats your downfall

  • Theseed Posted: Sep.11 at 11:59 am
    Rip is a terrific fourth option on his team, Tayshun in the real glue guy for that team, because everytime I watch a Detriot game, if Rip scores over his average, which is about 20 the Detroit Pistons lose. I understand this list, but one person is right, you should have everybody lists posted and have the customers(us) vote for the best list after Kobe Bryant is chosen for the top spot.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 12:00 pm
    Rip is not a 4th option.

  • Theseed Posted: Sep.11 at 12:06 pm
    Isn’t Rip the fourth best player on his team, I think so I would pick Wallace, Billups, and Prince over him. I feel the piston should trade him for a slashing shooting guard, because Rip to me is overrated based off of one title with Detroit, but Washington thought enough of him to trade him. Trade him for Ron Artest YES!!!

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.11 at 12:09 pm
    Flux; There’s no denying that Jason is a headcase, can be very difficult to handle for any coach/organization, and he’s for sure not the most loyal guy either – so I can see where you’re coming from. He demanded out of NJ because of their obvious rebuilding, and his urge to win a ring, I don’t think that’s very selfish considering everything he did for the Nets franchise. True the players I mentioned are not bigs (except Dirk maybe) but again you’ve never heard any big complain. That Collins twin who was on the Nets with Jason wouldn’t be in the L without grabbing rebounds and he never complained. You’re right that there is a possibility, but if Collins didn’t complain I don’t think that it’s that big of a possibility. Also bigs might be unhappy about lack of rebounds, but that is all forgotten when they catch that perfectly thrown alley-oop. Jason the man is for sure pretty selfish, but Jason the ballplayer is not. Players simply loves to be on the court with him, no matter he’s slow, can’t shoot, or is a bad employee. That imo shows that he (still) must be doing something right out there.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.11 at 12:12 pm
    + remember he turned down the Spurs (where Timbot, who’s a big was also begging for him to come)and a certain ring, for a prolonged stay in the swamp. Shows that Kidd at least have some loyalty in him.

  • Lz - Cphfinest3 Posted: Sep.11 at 12:18 pm
    Flux; Kidd not wanting to play with Carter, imo just underlines that Jason plays the right way, and plays to win. When a supremely talented teammate (VC) doesn’t play the right way or even put in the effort to win some games he gets pis*ed. I would for sure be frustrated playing with VC as well.

  • B. Long Posted: Sep.11 at 12:28 pm
    Some people on here have been spending to much time together because your obviously all starting to rag at the same time.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 12:28 pm
    4th best on the team? The Pistons don’t have a true go-to scorer, but Rip would be it on most nights. The beauty of the Pistons is the fact that they are unselfish and they just feed the hot hand. They don’t care who gets the credit. They are all integral parts. But just to be clear, Tay is more of the 4th option than any of the other four players.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 12:32 pm
    B. Long calling the kettle black.

  • B. Long Posted: Sep.11 at 12:41 pm
    @Tad:These rankings are fun but their nothing to right 5 paragraph rebuttals about. It’s a bunch of combined opinions that really shouldn’t be taken to heart is all I’m saying.

  • overtime Posted: Sep.11 at 12:41 pm
    @theseed, apart from the fact the Rip is most defintly not the 4th best on his team, being the best player does not automatically make him the first option. Ben Wallace used to be the best player on their team and he was something like 23rd option? (i’m defending Rip and i don’t even like him that much)

  • B. Long Posted: Sep.11 at 12:59 pm
    @Allenp:Stephen Jackson WILL make the list. Or I’m gonna start ragging too!

  • Krishan Posted: Sep.11 at 12:59 pm
    The only reason I’d pick artest over rip is so that I can trade him and a few pieces for kobe/lebron/wade. Artest is the better player, but when you want someone who will consistently help to win games and playoff rounds, rip outranks him.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 1:03 pm
    B. Long- I agree. See my 11:30 comment.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 1:05 pm
    B- also see my 12:01 pm comment on the Artest piece from yesterday. After doing that, stop repeating me. Thanks.

  • FLUXLAND Posted: Sep.11 at 1:08 pm
    @Lz – Collins is exactly who I had in mind, and let’s face it, him complaining (about anything) would be asinine. Again, it’s his motivation I question. I get the feeling when he makes passes it’s not so his teammate can succeed, it’s so JKidd can get that assist. Jose from the Raps would be the opposite of that-team 1st,stats second. Jason is stats first, team second. He’s not that much different from Starbury when you think about it. Unhappy with every team he’s been on, worried about money (was he not whining about someone making more money then him on the Nets and that’s what got the whole trade me fiasco going?) ME ME ME ME. All the time. Again, his history shows he leaves and quits every team that he has been on, if he doesn’t get his way. If anything, bringing up the Spurs proves my point – he knew with Tony there he was not going to be the man/center of attention. That is why he didn’t go there. In the 3rd last comment you said he left he left NJ cuz of his urge to win a ring, but then you say he turned
    down a certain ring with the Spurs in the next comment. What gives and what does this tell us? Yes, he is loyal – to himself and his money (again Starbury anyone?)// Yes, there is a flip side to the Vince argument. But if Jason is the great unselfish leader you believe him to be.. would you not find a way to tap into Vince. We are talking about Vince here.. not a Collins twin. Remember? The same Vince that tore it up after getting traded from the Raps late in the season. If anything, I am willing to bet Vince got a taste of the real Jason Kidd and got discouraged and hence no effort. The reason you never hear a bad word spoken about him is because it’s taboo. Same as it was talking smack about MJ when he was dominating. It all came out later.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 1:11 pm
    I think you guys are focusing too much on one side of what I wrote and maybe didn’t bother reading the rest? I mean, I know overtime has the reading comprehension of an ape with ADD while a zoo keeper is juggling bananas, but I figured that at least one person would get it and start wondering, “you know… what would Eli’s actual list would be?” or “you know, I wonder what Khalid actually thinks.”
    This list, to me, feels like one big compromise. I want real opinions, not the list that came about when Myles threatened to shank Lang if Josh Smith was placed that high.
    Once again, even though Eboy can get away with saying “There is no way possible that Sheed makes this list now,” I apologize for thinking I could guess who would be on the list in the future. I have read what many of the writers of Slam feel about certain players, so I figured I would make an educated guess. It was written without thought when I was waiting for several programs to load on my computer. I shall only complain about the present, and wait before I whine about the future.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 1:11 pm
    Also, B. Long’s comment was freaking awesome

  • Bruno Posted: Sep.11 at 1:15 pm
    saying that Rip is Detroit’s 4th option is the equivalent of saying you’ve never saw a basketball game in your life, son
    so quit Slam and try took for some Paris Hilton/Brittney kinda thing

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.11 at 1:17 pm
    Oh, shut up already Jukai. :)

  • Bruno Posted: Sep.11 at 1:19 pm
    took = looking

  • FLUXLAND Posted: Sep.11 at 1:28 pm
    @Lz – and maybe I didn’t make this clear, no one is denying that JKidd can play the game of basketball and do so with personal success (all those triple doubles). It’s the way/reasons(motivation) he plays that in IMO is effed up. There is a big difference between him and CP3, Tony or Jose.

  • B. Long Posted: Sep.11 at 1:30 pm
    Sorry Tad. And if for some reason Stephen Jackson isn’t on this list I’m gonna become the biggest hypocrite ever.

  • overtime Posted: Sep.11 at 1:35 pm
    See Jukai, i am mature enough and smart enough to keep my comments about basketball, as oppose to being threatened enough to make personal insults–especially the whole insulting thing about ADD, as we all know, the people unfortunate enough to have this condition are simply there to be punchlines in a feeble joke

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 1:37 pm
    Eboy, what number do you think Wade will make on this list?

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.11 at 1:40 pm
    Jukai, maybe 9, more likely 11 or 12.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 1:41 pm
    overtime, was that a serious comment? Are you in some support group for apes with attention deficit disorder? Am I a bad person for having a shirt that says “I dyslexia heart?”
    I think Rip’s in a good spot, I had him at 36 so 40 isn’t that far off. I’m just worried that SLAM wont take a good look at Rasheed and place him around the same area. I’ll insert my foot in my mouth when he is number 39.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 1:41 pm
    Eboy: What number do YOU have him on your list.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.11 at 1:42 pm
    8

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 1:45 pm
    I got him at four.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.11 at 1:47 pm
    I’m not that jaded, Jukai. I can see the faults in the guys I root for. Not everyone can.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 1:48 pm
    Yeah, but who is better? Lebron, and Kobe by a good jump. Chris Paul probably plays a more valuble role, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt… I don’t know who else there is.

  • B. Long Posted: Sep.11 at 1:49 pm
    Eboy is talking to me.

  • darthyao Posted: Sep.11 at 1:52 pm
    Rip over Artest?!?! If they played one on one Artest would win, if Artest was on the Pistons, they’d have more titles. Artest should be higher, its becoming more evident.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.11 at 1:52 pm
    Overall contributions to their teams? The three you named, The Robot, KG, Amare & Dwight (by a hair). I’m taking into account Dwyane’s having to prove his game again too.

  • Eboy Posted: Sep.11 at 1:53 pm
    No, I wasn’t B. That’s your guilty soul talking.

  • scott Posted: Sep.11 at 1:56 pm
    Dwyane Wade #4

  • scott Posted: Sep.11 at 1:57 pm
    Wade should only be behind James, Paul, and Bryant…I think Wade has proven himself in the Olympics.

  • Theseed Posted: Sep.11 at 1:58 pm
    Thank You, Rip is not even close to Ron Artest in basketball ability. Rip is a screen runner is has pattern his game after Miller, but to me comes up way short and I do feel Rip is the fourth option. When the Pistons was on the title run, who did they go to in the post when some of the games were on the line Prince, not Rip, you took the clutch shots, Billups not Rip and who has the most ability offensively on the team-Wallace.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 1:59 pm
    I dunno, Eboy… Wade was dropping 40-something and winning games for the Heat. He had to shut himself down and that’s why the Heat were so god awfully bad. I can see you dropping him on the “having to prove” aspect, but I question a bunch of others on your list. Tim Duncan did not impress me this year at all: during the season it was the Manu Ginobli show, and when playoffs game, Tony Parker balled out of his mind. Once the Lakers shut Parker down, Duncan couldn’t carry the team. He’d score 20-somethign in the first half but do nothing in the second quarter. Hell, dude just looked tired. He’s too old, can’t keep up. KG is a solid guess but he didn’t even win Finals MVP. Still not clutch, still taking too many outside jumpers. Amare’s shot selection keeps him out of my top ten, those running charges with his head down in the playoffs against the Spurs being more proof than I need. Dwight didn’t make my top ten. But yes, Wade does have something to prove. I guess I’m giving him the heads up treatment after seeing him in the olympics.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 2:00 pm
    I’m actually surprised you’re so high on Amare, B. He’s twelve on my list.

  • Z Posted: Sep.11 at 2:04 pm
    Wade better than KG and Timmy? Um, no.

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 2:15 pm
    Why not? Timmy’s past his prime, KG is getting there. He may not be in the grand scheme of things, but right now I think he’s there. Course, as Eboy said, he still has to prove himself.

  • Matt Eil Posted: Sep.11 at 2:25 pm
    One thing that’s for sure is that importance and value to team is weighed into making each writer’s personal list, and therefore the final SLAM list. It’s worth noting that a friend of mine played against Rip once a year while Hamilton was playing for UCONN, and my buddy said that you haven’t tried playing defense until you go about 40 minutes with Rip. In may not show in the box score, but the physical and emotional toll he places on the opponent is certainly a major factor in the success of the Pistons of late…

  • Krishan Posted: Sep.11 at 2:27 pm
    I guess being a fourth option makes you the leading scorer in your team consistently, huh theseed?

  • scott Posted: Sep.11 at 2:28 pm
    Looking at the last top 50 list (it was two years ago) 1/4 of the players that were in the top 40 won’t even make the list this time. Stephon Marbury, Sam Cassell, Jason Terry, Ben Wallace, Manu Ginobili, Kirk Hinrich, Ray Allen, Tony Parker, Andrei Kirilenko, and Shaquille O’Neal. Lots and lots of turnover in a few years.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 2:28 pm
    @theseed: I was obviously watching a different playoff series the you and also a different Rip over the years.

  • scott Posted: Sep.11 at 2:31 pm
    When does Prince ever hit a clutch shot in the playoffs?

  • overtime Posted: Sep.11 at 2:33 pm
    Agreeing with TADOne, i really don’t know what Detroit playoff series’ theseed’s been watching, and even if Sheed does have the more rounded game, it is Rip who delivers, whereas Sheed normally chokes
    @Jukai, my point is keep it to the bball yeah?

  • double-clutch Posted: Sep.11 at 2:38 pm
    i can run further than my dog – but im 18 and my dog doesn’t get enough exercise….. its nice to share……. i like rip too

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 2:41 pm
    I can understand where the confusion may come from. As I stated in an earlier post, the Pistons do not have a true go-to guy in their offense. The offense is predicated on playing off the hot hand, the desirable matchup, or ball movement until a person has an open shot. That pretty much changes from game to game. That being said, when the Pistons offense is bogged down and they need a basket, more times than not they are going to Rip off of a curl screen.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 2:42 pm
    Just saw Matt’s comment. I appreciate that.

  • overtime Posted: Sep.11 at 2:50 pm
    Again agreeing with TADOne on the match-up points, as Sheed can normally drag a big man out and Prince is simply longer than most other SF’s etc, but overall, Rip is still the most consistent

  • DP Posted: Sep.11 at 2:56 pm
    This is good for Rip. He is basically just the scorer for the team but you can argue that he is the best mid-range shooter in the game today. I don’t like the dude attitude but he is a hooper so he fits well with this list. Billups has to be at least 35 down.

  • Fresh Posted: Sep.11 at 2:58 pm
    Many people talk about Tayshaun Prince being much underrated but so is Rip. And again being on a team where 2 other people are all stars. Although Rip might not be better than Chauncey and Rasheed he should still be considered a top player. Through breaking down his game anyone would be able to see, or by simply watching him in a playoff series. Rip is in constant motion, a man who prides himself on being the most conditioned in the league. Hamilton uses many screens and uses them effectively, with this happening he is able to free up shots for Tayshaun a lot of usually set the last screen where the defense decides to switch or stay. We already know about his deadly mid range game, and is also an effective shooter from behind the arc. But I think the area of his game that might get overlooked the most is his defensive abilities, with outstanding defense players on his team Hamilton defense looks mediocre compared to the rest of his all star teams mates. Rip is a talent player because talent also gets overlooked because of the team he is on, and after Chauncey Billups big finals.
    I like this artcle also shows how humble Rip is the man doesnt even dunk anymore and he is athletic as they come. This is mostly saying that he has all the talent but only shows it if he needs to. In my opinion maybe we should make a list with no Piston because its hard to rank them because they all use each other so well. (I had him @ 29 on my list a lil off) If stephen Jackson doesnt make the list someone needs a time out

  • Krishan Posted: Sep.11 at 3:00 pm
    @scott: I remember him hitting a clutch baby hook against the magic (I think), it was pretty early in his career, probably he was a rook.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 3:03 pm
    Agreed Fresh. Rip definitely uses all 6 of his fouls on D, thats for sure. The thing with defense is it is mainly about effort and wanting to play defense, and Rip is more than willing to pickup any defensive assignment. He also is rarely out of position.

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 3:05 pm
    Krishan: Yes. That was the playoff series that Joe D. made Carlisle use Tay more to exploit matchups. It was his rookie year.

  • DP Posted: Sep.11 at 3:10 pm
    Always the team’s leading scorer for the past I don’t how many years so I respect his game fully.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.11 at 3:13 pm
    the wizards shouidnt have trade him for stakehouse

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 3:21 pm
    Rip has always been, in my opinion, the best player on the Detroit Pistons, not purely out of skill, but out of consistency. Tayshun will disappear, Mr Big Shot will fall in love with silly quick release shots, who knows what the hell Rasheed is going to do from day-to-day. You can set your clock, Hamilton is going to come in and Hamilton is going to play his game, whether it be getting nice mid-range pop shots off screens or slashing to the basket when someone’s got a hot hand, or just purely taking the three when he needs to. He doesn’t handle the ball so he takes nothing away from the offense and he’s not opposed to give it up to someone who has the better shot. He’s very complete, and what he may lack in skill, he makes it up for not taking anything away from the team. Also, he wears that silly face plate.

  • DP Posted: Sep.11 at 3:21 pm
    Didn’t mike want this cat gone in the first place? I might be getting my sources wrong(and I believe I am wrong, TAD?) but it looked like mike wanted stackhouse over Rip.

  • DP Posted: Sep.11 at 3:24 pm
    Best conditioned athlete in the L.period. The dude will run you to the ER. I know first hand because I looked up his running routine online. and I thought my cross country team did a lot of running. Bullsh*t compared to Rip.

  • scott Posted: Sep.11 at 3:25 pm
    Jordan as a GM is the exact opposite as Jordan the player. I’m sorry to all seven Charlotte fans.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.11 at 3:37 pm
    scott, no need to apogize, it is true. BUT he is just part owner, he has a puppet GM (Rod Higgins) in charge of ‘general manging’ even though Jordan basically runs the team

  • scott Posted: Sep.11 at 3:39 pm
    @betcats….how do you feel about the hiring of one Larry Brown?

  • DP Posted: Sep.11 at 3:40 pm
    Have they booted felton yet, BET? If not, they need to seeing that it is time for D.J. to show the f*ck out.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.11 at 3:49 pm
    scott: i am severly p!ssed off, Paul Silas said it was his dream job to coach the Cats, but Jordan doesnt like Paul and prefers Larry, and he is making all the fans mad. Mike is using the fact that the market is so small, no matter what he does as GM nobody will start a “Fire Isiah” coup on him, because the media HATES the Bobcats and love Mike. I guarntee you, if the Bobcats were 20 years older, i would be able to be rocking a “Fire Micheal Jordan” tee right now. This draft class that he let Larry Brown choose was a HUGE waste. Alexander Ajinca in the first round?! Kyle Weaver in the 2nd round when we have 10000000000 shooting guards?! Are you kidding me?!

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.11 at 3:52 pm
    DP: Nope, we havent done anything with either of the 2 and the team’s internal envoirment cannot be healthy. You need unity to win basketball games, and you cant have unity if their is internal confilct. What the Bobcats have now is what the Packers WOULD have had IF they brought back Brett Farve. You got a guy who lead the team in the past, and you got a young un-proven guy who might be just as good at this state in his career. Its a shame the Bobcats will be battling the Bucks, the Kings, the Pacers, the Knicks, the Nets, and the Warriors for ping pong balls in the next few years

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 3:59 pm
    what’s a shame is that the Bobcats refuse to tank but can’t possibly win enough games to be a valid team.

  • DP Posted: Sep.11 at 4:03 pm
    It’s not a good look if the team is going to be filled with lottery picks for the next few years. The grizzlies are already doing that and it doesn’t look good. But you never know with a trio of Rudy, M-Conley, and Mayo, they might be able to win at least 23 games. Big improvement. The bobcats need one more player though to go with their twosome of G-force and J-Rich. D.J. looks like that guy and Felton is getting put aside so the lakers will glady scoop him up from y’all.

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.11 at 4:07 pm
    DJ will be a better player than Raymond. Will he improve is: Yes, but the bigger question is did drafting him infringe on team unity? and the answer is to that is also yes. I expect Raymond to start this year, and he will try and do 2 things A.) take a lot of bad shots to show Larry Brown he is a scorer B.) Kiss Larry’s a$$ and play the UNC card like their is no tomorrow. Eventually, he will wear himself out, admit he is misrable, and be traded to a team in need of a point guard along with adam morrison in exchange for paying all the restuarnet tabs Sean May runs up around town

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.11 at 4:09 pm
    and Jukai, its called P-R-I-D-E. Its about all bobcats fans have right now. We can at least say “Well we arent TRYING to suck…” But on the real, G-Force for All Star game!

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 4:09 pm
    DP: If your question was whether or not Jordan wanted Rip out of DC and wanted to desperately bing in Stack, then the answer is yes. Funny thing is, Joe was more than willing to trade for a player 5 years Stack’s junior.

  • DP Posted: Sep.11 at 4:11 pm
    Jordan is the greatest, isn’t he?

  • TADOne Posted: Sep.11 at 4:20 pm
    The GM game is not his thing. He needs to just sit in the owners box and play golf with Barkley.

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.11 at 5:52 pm
    @ Jukai: Open forum = tell it like you see it

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.11 at 5:53 pm
    TAD, he can hit atlantic city aswell, just maybe not with chuck

  • Teri Mah Posted: Sep.11 at 8:10 pm
    This should have been vince carters spot

  • tealish Posted: Sep.11 at 8:33 pm
    Wow @ Eboy! You of all people, I wouldn’t have thought to underrate DWade. I think that’s a by-product of trying too hard to be objective. He’s definitely better than Howard and Amare, and in my books I’m not quite sure he isn’t at KG and TD’s par.

  • tealish Posted: Sep.11 at 8:36 pm
    Scott: Allen, Ginobili, and Parker will make it…

  • tealish Posted: Sep.11 at 8:49 pm
    Alright, so I just went back to read the pissing party towards the middle of the comments and Jukai’s idea is actually not bad — quite good actually.
    Perhaps with the following posts you guys can include the individual ranks given by each SLAMwriter? Just as a footnote or something. No explanation needed. Just Name:Rank, Name:Rank, etc.. I’m just curious is all.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.11 at 9:16 pm
    Richard Hamilton is one of my personal favorite players in the NBA. The dude is mad clutch, his shot is water, and he gets the job done, rugged or not. He plays without superfluous flash, and an unselfish team player who steps up when needed. I would definitely put him higher on this list, but Matt’s explanation was very just.

  • Teddy-the-Bear Posted: Sep.11 at 9:20 pm
    Ahahaha Michael Jordan, as phenomenal of a player he was, is not cut out to be a manager. However, this is exactly why he fits in with the Charlotte Bobcats. They suck @ss! So does the slightly retarded BETCATS, who is their one and only fan. Ahahaha, Jordan being a Managing Member of Basketball Operations for the Bobcats, is so incredibly fitting. Jokes on you, BETCATS! Ahahahaha

  • BETCATS Posted: Sep.11 at 9:31 pm
    i dont get how the joke is on me considering i have no say in who the Bobcats hire and what that person does once hired. But good try Teddy. Have fun dryhumping James the Balla tonight, i hope one day they will make condoms small enough for the both of you to wear and express your passion. Not g@y, but i am supportive. Have fun, fella.

  • john Posted: Sep.11 at 9:44 pm
    i think kwame brown should be top 1. i lied

  • Bruno Posted: Sep.11 at 10:32 pm
    i don’t know how a guy wich such work ethic, willingness to win, clutch, great scorer, mr stamina, good “group” guy as Rip is #40
    thats probably just cause of NBA/America mentality of celebrities.

  • Bruno Posted: Sep.11 at 10:38 pm
    and i hope to see the reborn SHAWN KEMP here at #39 tomorrow
    [:P]

  • Jukai Posted: Sep.11 at 10:39 pm
    Tealish, don’t agree with me, you’ll be black listed

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.11 at 10:53 pm
    Sep.11 at 9:31 pm comment, RIP Teddy

  • chintao Posted: Sep.11 at 11:33 pm
    @ Jukai Sep.11 at 11:05 am ==> Nice

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.11 at 11:35 pm
    Yeh RIP Teddy.

  • B. Long Posted: Sep.11 at 11:59 pm
    Some of yall are sleeping on Amare just because we didn’t get to see him play in the Olympics. He’s top 10 at least.

  • MIKE t Posted: Sep.12 at 12:35 am
    hey osborne whose on the cover of slam 122. didnt you say it would be on here thursday

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.12 at 1:06 am
    Hursty, i lost link to email, and shouldnt you be studying?

  • Money Bill Williams Posted: Sep.12 at 1:07 am
    B, Amare’s one of my favourites, but top 15 not top 10

  • aska Posted: Sep.12 at 1:35 am
    Pistons won in 03-04. Fact check please

  • KA Posted: Sep.12 at 3:48 am
    rays my preferred uconn player but i cant deny that rip has had the better career despite them being tied with 1 c’ship at this point. rips one of those old school guy whose maximized the limits of his abilities and you cant hate on that. no 40 is justified.

  • andrew Posted: Sep.12 at 5:11 am
    If they’re going to throw a list out which states it is “SLAMONLINE’S” top 50 list, no writer should respond with “well, it wasn’t MY idea to place him here.” -
    Am I the only one who slightly differentiates slamonline from slam, being that it’s more of a blog than an online magazine? I think this list is a perfectly reasonable mash up of what slamonline thinks of players. I rate this kind of discourse more like freedarko’s most FD players rather than pitchfork’s 100 best records type scenario…

  • Gerard Himself Posted: Sep.12 at 6:11 am
    I wonder where Richard Jefferson will be ranked. I think I’m one of the few RJ fans out there. Being a Nets fan, I’m still pissed they traded him.

  • Hursty Posted: Sep.12 at 6:35 am
    jhurst @ live . com . au

  • Fresh Posted: Sep.12 at 9:27 am
    It is true that Hamilton might be the most consistent guy. And what might also make the Detroit Pistons is thats they can throw so many guys @ you. If you watch in a series with Miami escpecially a game 7. i think about everybody in the starting line up including Rasheed lol, gets a piece of Dwayne Wade.
    Rip is a pure shooter who just wants a job to do, but can do many things well. And is super athletic because at one point or another I have seen him do most of the dunks you seem on top 20′s and has latteral quickness and agility to get almost anywhere on the court

  • Ben Osborne Posted: Sep.12 at 10:30 am
    Mike T: sorry, cover is going up at noon TODAY.

  • John W. Davis Posted: Sep.17 at 10:52 am
    I think the nickname is from his dad.

  • JA Posted: Oct.4 at 2:47 pm
    He should be ranked alot higher, and in my opnion his is no. 1

  • MackSoFLy Posted: Oct.9 at 11:08 am
    yes siirrrrrr

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